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Rogozin: The State Commission will find out the cause of the accident, "Union". We can do without trampolines?

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The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, commented on the situation with the Soyuz accident. According to Rogozin, to clarify the causes of the accident on the Soyuz-FG carrier rocket by his personal decision, a state commission was formed. The head of Roscosmos notes that she has already begun work and is conducting a study of telemetry.


From the statement of Dmitry Rogozin:
Rescue services work from the first second of the accident. The emergency rescue system of the Soyuz-MS ship worked normally. Crew saved.


Rogozin: The State Commission will find out the cause of the accident, "Union". We can do without trampolines?



In response to this Twitter post, users burst into harsh criticism about the state of space industry has recently been brought to. Users are outraged by the fact that state commissions and investigation teams are becoming more and more, and the number of emergency situations is still not decreasing.

A few comments on the note of Rogozin (the author's text is given without changes):
We know your commissions. Israel is to blame for the fact that our plane was shot down by Syrians. The Americans themselves have drilled a hole in the Union, so that we spoil. And here who will be guilty? Martians probably.


It's time to get trampolines! Or is there again astronauts during the launch hole done?


The situation with the accident commented Deputy Chairman of the Russian government Yuri Borisov. According to him, the American side "should treat the situation with understanding."

Borisov, who answered a journalist's question about how the incident will affect the nature of relations with the United States in the space industry, cites Interfax:
Naturally, we will not hide the reasons, it is not customary in this situation. Of course, they must know, and we will bring to them all the necessary information that led to the accident. It's hard to comment on this. You know how many accidents and tragedies happened in stories American cosmonautics, and with us. This is a high-tech industry that is associated with risk, it’s not for nothing that our cosmonauts always receive high rewards for flights. People risk their lives.


Meanwhile, NASA reported that the Russian cosmonaut and the American astronaut are currently in Kazakhstan's Dzhezkazgan.
From the report:
After a safe landing, they are in good condition.


Further, the NASA press service refers to Rogozin, who, as already noted, said that an investigation into the causes of the accident had begun.

Against this background, there is a discussion of how long the ISS crew’s reserves will be enough. According to the latest information, there should be enough reserves for about 5-6 months.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 October 2018 15: 33
    -2
    It's time to get trampolines!

    Now something new will come up like a catapult ... yeah fool
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 October 2018 15: 39
      +25
      Quote: NEXUS
      It's time to get trampolines!

      Now something new will come up like a catapult ... yeah fool

      Ragozin is a master of the language, of course .. nevertheless, he is a journalist by training .. But the fact that the industry constantly arises, what kind of emergency situations this seems to be a mess .. Can journalists deal with journalism?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 October 2018 16: 29
        +9
        I don’t have to talk (I can’t bring the original phrase, unfortunately, both to Rogozin and the situation in the country in general). Not those of us (thank God, not me) we choose in power. The fish rots from the head, the laws of nature can not be abolished by Wishlist.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 11 October 2018 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          The fish rots from the head

          in this case, it should be understood that the hole in the Union’s corps and the crash can be connected with the Americans, who traditionally created powerful agents in Roskosmos. The main goal is to discredit the Russian cosmonautics! And if cooperation with the United States continues, then problems will increase.
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 12 October 2018 09: 08
            +4
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And if cooperation with the US continues

            I will tell you more, all the troubles in the country are due to the United States. At AvtoVAZ, they have a powerful grouping, which explains the city that is called frets ...
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 15
        +12
        Quote: Svarog
        Can journalists do journalism?

        Who are you by education?
        how do you earn your bread?
        Are there many people in the Russian Federation who work outside their primary education?
        Could Rogozin, who was appointed to a leadership position less than six months ago, influence the launch of a finished rocket?
        ps
        come down from heaven to earth, for objective reasons, our high-tech industry will degrade ... this is not a question of the head of Roskosmos, this is a matter of the system.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 11 October 2018 18: 01
          +6
          Technicians should be engaged in technicians.
          1. Tavrik
            Tavrik 11 October 2018 18: 26
            +2
            The words are golden, but not modern. I’m a techie myself.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 11 October 2018 18: 13
          +3
          Quote: NEOZ
          Could Rogozin, who was appointed to a leadership position less than six months ago, influence the launch of a finished rocket?

          And how many years does he need to warm up? A year, two, three?
          Could you influence in half a year? Of course he could, or maybe he influenced what led to the accident?
          In any case, the industry leader must bear responsibility, if he is not competent to climb into the position, and if he has climbed, then bear responsibility.
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 11 October 2018 18: 58
          +7
          Quote: NEOZ
          come down from heaven to earth, for objective reasons, our high-tech industry will degrade ... this is not a question of the head of Roskosmos, this is a matter of the system.

          It is clear that the system is to blame for everything .. and I thought every "jamb" has F, I, O ...
          1. lwxx
            lwxx 11 October 2018 20: 29
            0
            When the system works, that is, the name and surname. And when the system does not work, then there are no people responsible.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 October 2018 20: 55
              +4
              Quote: lwxx
              When the system works, that is, the name and surname. And when the system does not work, then there are no people responsible.

              So you think that the system is not working now? If you really think so, then you are very mistaken .. because there would be complete chaos .. And for those responsible to appear .. Name, you need to change goals, people, laws, duties and the general political system ...
              1. syndicalist
                syndicalist 12 October 2018 08: 29
                0
                Do you not see chaos now?
          2. dSK
            dSK 11 October 2018 21: 47
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            each "jamb" has F, I, O ...

            October 11 14: 09 / Vice Prime Minister Yuri Borisov stated that if during the investigation of the causes of the accident on the Soyuz launch vehicle specific perpetrators were identified, then Roscosmos can expect personnel changes.
            The army put in deputy prime minister Borisov
            September 12, 2018 / Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov has set the task of Roscosmos to deal with the systemic crisis in the industry. According to the deputy head of government, the industry, which the whole country was proud of, is now in not very good condition. Borisov added that Roscosmos should also move on to the main tasks - the creation of a grouping of spacecraft for the needs of the Armed Forces of Russia and national economy. However, one should not forget about manned space exploration and deep space exploration.
            ... and here is an emergency. Probably they will put the same army general on Roscosmos ...
            1. dSK
              dSK 11 October 2018 23: 05
              0
              Yuri Ivanovich Borisov (born December 31, 1956, Vyshny Volochyok, Kalinin Region, RSFSR) Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. / November 15, 2012 - May 18, 2018 /
              On October 7, 2013, the class rank of First Class State Councilor of the Russian Federation was assigned. He has a doctorate in technical sciences.
              July 5 2018 there were reports that Vladimir Putin closed decree awarded Yuri Borisov the title of Hero of Russia. /wikipedia./
              1. georggy
                georggy 12 October 2018 07: 49
                +1
                Heroes of the invisible front. Scientists of incomprehensible sciences.
        4. Chicha squad
          Chicha squad 11 October 2018 19: 14
          +5
          I’m an economist by training, but I want to work as a surgeon. Probably worth a try. A country of opportunity no matter how.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 11 October 2018 19: 25
            +4
            Quote: Chicha Squad
            I’m an economist by training, but I want to work as a surgeon. Probably worth a try. A country of opportunity no matter how.

            And you will succeed .. with the head physician, if you agree laughing
        5. Henderson
          Henderson 11 October 2018 19: 25
          +4
          Quote: NEOZ
          Could Rogozin, who was appointed to a leadership position less than six months ago, influence the launch of a finished rocket?

          Rogozin as Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, has been in charge of the space industry since 2011. And until 2011, everything was fine. Russia then had more than half of the space launch market. Unions did not fall, Protons did not fall, satellites did not sink into the sea.
          The question really arises whether Rogozin could have influenced something in these 7 years?
          1. georggy
            georggy 12 October 2018 07: 51
            +3
            Quiet journalistic glanders collapsing industry. MOG!
          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 12 October 2018 08: 53
            0
            Quote: Henderson
            Rogozin as Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, has been in charge of the space industry since 2011. And until 2011, everything was fine. Russia then had more than half of the space launch market. Unions did not fall, Protons did not fall, satellites did not sink into the sea.

            Mars-96, for example, happened before Rogozin ...
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 12 October 2018 10: 58
              0
              But at least it happened. And with Rogozin, what about deep-space exploration and interplanetary spacecraft?
        6. Semen1972
          Semen1972 12 October 2018 09: 36
          +2
          Quote: NEOZ
          for objective reasons, our high-tech industry will degrade.

          What "objective" reasons prevent us ?? Stalin did not interfere and interfere with Putin ???
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 12 October 2018 10: 51
            0
            Is the lack of highly qualified personnel an objective reason? Lack of personal interest of the employee in quality, lack of responsibility of the authorities for marriage? Why did small feudal Japan, after a shameful defeat in World War II, without practically ANY industrial resources, manage to create a car industry that the whole world travels to, and our carcass VAZ still stuck in the 2s of the last century, and air-conditioned windows with windows domestic cars? In the country there is neither machine tool building, nor normal engine building, nor mass production of any kind of electronics .. We don’t even produce any tools now .. Where are the cameras manufactured in our country? Phones? Computers? But this is optics, electronics, precision mechanics .. Where did the combine-building plants go? Ship repair? In the same place, where is our aviation industry and where is now our space program - in the ass!
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 12 October 2018 12: 16
              -1
              Quote: Dikson
              0
              Is the lack of highly qualified personnel an objective reason?

              no, this is not the reason, this is the consequence
              Quote: Dikson
              Lack of personal interest of the employee in quality, lack of responsibility of the authorities for marriage?

              and this is also a consequence
            2. Semen1972
              Semen1972 12 October 2018 13: 45
              0
              Quote: Dikson
              Is the lack of highly qualified personnel an objective reason?

              And the hands of the priests is the reason? Objective? This is from the same area. Well, you can’t invite qualified? Can't you train them?
      3. Locksmith
        Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 01
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        But the fact that the industry constantly arises, what kind of emergency situations this seems to be a mess ..

        If this is a mess, then it arose very on time and with the right articulation.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 11 October 2018 18: 57
          +1
          All these recent developments in the industry clearly lead to the final cessation of cooperation between the Russian Federation and the United States.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 11 October 2018 19: 26
          +5
          Quote: Locksmith
          Quote: Svarog
          But the fact that the industry constantly arises, what kind of emergency situations this seems to be a mess ..

          If this is a mess, then it arose very on time and with the right articulation.

          So it didn’t arise today and not for the first time ..
        3. Semen1972
          Semen1972 12 October 2018 09: 37
          0
          Quote: Locksmith
          If this is a mess, then it arose very on time and with the right articulation.

          Like everything in this world, don’t you?
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 11 October 2018 20: 16
        +1
        ideologists came up with --- FOLLOW, SOFTLY, COOPERATION WITH THE USA.
        while it is impossible to say that the Americans are to blame for the disruption of space programs (there are bad relations between states) - let us become guilty, but the "masters of the moon" - themselves have experience of flying there - Musk is in their hands
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 12 October 2018 09: 38
          0
          Quote: antivirus
          ideologists came up with --- FOLLOW, SOFTLY, COOPERATION WITH THE USA.

          The theory of isolationism?))) A sofa fighter who doesn’t go out and is covered with acne?))
    2. hrych
      hrych 11 October 2018 15: 39
      +2
      Something is still suspicious, so mundane, etc.
      1. figwam
        figwam 11 October 2018 15: 53
        -2
        Two serious life-threatening emergency situations for 2018 on the most reliable rocket in the world. Meanwhile, in November in the United States, the first launch of a rocket for future manned launches is scheduled. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Manned launches are being squeezed out of us with the help of terrorist attacks.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 11 October 2018 16: 23
          +15
          through terrorist acts.
          enemies again? Or maybe someone so directed?
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            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 11 October 2018 17: 52
              +7
              This is a good question. Who! More precisely, why is there no video recording at the station going to our MCC? Only the American one, which the Americans refused to give, so you can "investigate" until you turn blue in the face.
              Why isn’t the same video fixation that is simply required to be at all stages of the production and assembly of the spacecraft? However, I can answer this question. And you can all, right?
              If there was this very video recording everywhere, and without any problems it would be possible to calculate the REAL culprits. The perpetrators of the marriage at the plant, suddenly, receive a salary that is many times higher than the salary of all workers in this plant. And how wonderful they are in technology! This is all the video camera will show. So there is no video recording and will not be, but there will be all sorts of "investigations".
              Ugh.
              1. Locksmith
                Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 02
                -4
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Or rather - why is there no video recording at the station going to our MCC?

                Well, excuse me for not broadcasting to YOUR CPU laughing
                1. anykin
                  anykin 12 October 2018 00: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Locksmith
                  Well, I'm sorry that did not provide a broadcast in YOUR CPU laughing

                  Sorry for that. And not for refusing to help the investigation.
              2. Cannonball
                Cannonball 11 October 2018 21: 33
                0
                The camcorder will not show anything, especially since there will not be enough cameras for the entire station.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 17
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Could Rogozin, who was appointed to a leadership position less than six months ago, influence the launch of a finished rocket?
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          We squeeze manned launches

          competition - she is ....
        3. Blue fox
          Blue fox 11 October 2018 17: 17
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          Manned launches are being squeezed out of us with the help of terrorist attacks.

          How can you not remember the regiment commander Serpilin - "All around and just say: "Saboteurs, saboteurs!" And I do not want the rumor to be about saboteurs in the location of my regiment. I do not recognize them. If guarded correctly, there can be no saboteurs." (with)
          It is not the first year that Soyuz has been launched, and somehow we managed to cope with it.
          1. Locksmith
            Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 06
            +4
            Quote: Blue Fox
            It is not the first year that Soyuz has been launched, and somehow we managed to cope with it.

            It is, but this is a very complex technique, even according to the methods it has an unreliability of about 0.01% -that is, the "prize" fell out, the protection worked out normally = this is a very high mark laughing
        4. aristok
          aristok 11 October 2018 19: 57
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          Meanwhile, in November in the United States, the first launch of a rocket for future manned launches is scheduled.

          Long moved to mid-2019.
          and that term will not stand
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 12 October 2018 09: 39
            0
            Quote: aristok
            and that term will not stand

            Where does such knowledge come from? Are you from the GRU or a Russian hacker?
        5. Cannonball
          Cannonball 11 October 2018 21: 31
          +2
          And where and when did the second "serious emergency with a threat to life in 2018 on the most reliable rocket in the world appear?"
          This year, this is so far the only serious emergency with space rockets in the world.
          And in the USA, "the first launch of a rocket for future manned launches", if I'm not mistaken, has been postponed to the next year.
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev 11 October 2018 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      It's time to get trampolines!

      Now something new will come up like a catapult ... yeah fool

      I already wrote that this "journalist with a trampoline" will lead to trouble. As they wrote in ARGUMENTS OF THE WEEK, he suffers from verbal diarrhea.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 11 October 2018 15: 33
    +1
    And then Rogozin. And in sorrow and in joy. Where without him.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 11 October 2018 15: 50
      -12
      The man knew where he was going. I understood that the industry, which had been ruined for decades, could not be quickly restored. And he will always be extreme.
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 15
      -1
      Quote: Thrall
      And then Rogozin. And in sorrow and in joy. Where without him.

      Well, and he was appointed to watch and voice. He's doing pretty well. The same Mask talks a lot, does little. Rogozin is chatting to the best, good promotion is worth a lot. wink
  3. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
    KBaHT_BpeMeHu 11 October 2018 15: 34
    +1
    Rogozin fell apart as if it were his second birthday.
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  4. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 11 October 2018 15: 43
    +2
    and there was noted in the comments liberos, fencing and the United States, and the Jews, who let the Syrian squash. fool and Ragozin, if he really wants to save our astronautics, must be honest, be able to admit his wrongness and mistakes, be tough, be able to ask the guilty, not the gunman, and do everything so that we can again begin to believe that the accidents of our rockets will stop To do this, you need to solve many problems in the industry ..
    1. Timtam
      Timtam 11 October 2018 16: 29
      -5
      Quote: ANCIENT
      must be honest, be able to admit being wrong
      laughing laughing laughing Well, when, honestly, you acknowledge that your aircraft were shot down by the Syrians and your command was knocked down, then you will stutter about honesty. Until then, your trampolines are everything.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 11 October 2018 17: 18
        +3
        Quote: Timtam
        and screwed up your command

        Yes, they should have foreseen that the partners will deceive and appear to the west.
        1. Timtam
          Timtam 11 October 2018 18: 17
          -5
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          Yes, they should have foreseen
          Well, if all you can foresee is not foresee, shave the wang. Nekhai won’s blowing you.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 18
        +3
        Quote: Timtam
        Until then, your trampolines are everything.

        and what of space you can offer?
        1. Timtam
          Timtam 11 October 2018 18: 18
          -7
          Quote: NEOZ
          and what of space you can offer?
          Spiers ... Your won’t climb on them.
    2. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 11 October 2018 17: 33
      -1
      I propose to give him Mauser and the red, revolutionary harem pants.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 12 October 2018 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
        I propose to give him Mauser and the red, revolutionary harem pants.

        Ahahaha, naphthalene bought a nubuck and a flash drive and started writing here)))
    3. Locksmith
      Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 21
      +2
      Quote: ANCIENT
      and there was noted in the comments liberos, fencing and the United States, and the Jews, who let the Syrian squash. fool and Ragozin, if he really wants to save our astronautics, must be honest, be able to admit his wrongness and mistakes, be tough, be able to ask the guilty, not the gunman, and do everything so that we can again begin to believe that the accidents of our rockets will stop To do this, you need to solve many problems in the industry ..

      You do not confuse him with Beria ??
      Well, and he was appointed to watch (report) and voice. He's doing pretty well. The same Mask talks a lot, does little. Rogozin is chatting to the best of his ability, good promotion is very useful in the world and for his own population, many of whom I participate, as far as possible, in strengthening the defense shield of our country.
  5. Dikson
    Dikson 11 October 2018 15: 46
    +19
    And now the State Commission is creating an investigation into someone’s PERSONAL decision? The lack of specialists - that’s the reason .. Chatterboxes and managers, projectors of all stripes, dusting off drawings not developed by their brains - these are full ... but to make and install a part, invented 30 years ago - there are no more brains .. And in Wikipedia there is no such article as evil ..
    1. loki565
      loki565 11 October 2018 16: 40
      -4
      what smart you are, what didn’t you turn the nuts yourself, isn’t your mind ???)))
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 12 October 2018 03: 18
        0
        And I don’t need to poke here, I cheated ..- they didn’t sit at the table alone, and they didn’t go to the database together ..
        I twisted nuts and verniers, in different places and at different times ..
  6. Prutkov
    Prutkov 11 October 2018 15: 48
    +5
    Somehow it went heap. Suddenly, bookmarks were found in Chinese microcircuits. The blow fell on the most advanced Chinese technology. Suddenly a hole appeared on the Russian Soyuz. And, again, suddenly, the Soyuz exploded at launch. The blow was inflicted on Russian technology. And around, by a strange coincidence, there are Americans. There is no doubt that "Soyuz" before the start in the light of the "appearance of a hole" before the start was overlooked, tapped from all sides. There remains the possibility of bookmarking in electronic elements. There must be American electronics there.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 23
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Surely there is American electronics.

      BY...
      all the drawings were translated into numbers ...
      and then, for some unknown reason, the numbers have changed slightly for some components and assemblies ...
      and then the old ones again ...
      ps
      look from the couch.
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        all the drawings were translated into numbers ...
        and then, for some unknown reason, the numbers have changed slightly for some components and assemblies ...
        and then the old ones again ...
        ps
        look from the couch.

        Do not drive, drawings in numbers - at our enterprises always, I repeat - ALWAYS in paper, the program is a program, and the paper is the signatures of those responsible for this "disgrace", including the Civil Code and GT, plus the entire cohort of technologists, in general - read the first page of the "manual for creating drawings" = ESKD, there is straight away and readiness to send someone to the right place is indicated laughing
        I see it every day. soldier
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 11 October 2018 21: 26
          0
          Quote: Locksmith
          Do not drive, drawings in numbers - at our enterprises always, I repeat - ALWAYS in paper

          hence the lag on all fronts. We developed a detail in 3D, printed a drawing. The 3D model was thrown away. Then the caster again developed a 3D model for this part using a paper drawing, printed the drawings, made a shape. The 3D model was thrown away. Then the technologist comes. He again makes a 3D model from a paper drawing for programming a CNC machine. The model is thrown away. It would be better to draw on the drawing board the old fashioned way than such a "digital development", ugh.
          Hence, the most magnificent labor productivity is 9 times worse than American, and the cost, and time costs, and the number of errors.
  7. 1536
    1536 11 October 2018 15: 50
    +2
    And what kind of antediluvian unit in the foreground of the second photo, similar to a 14-inch JVC TV from the early 90s of the last century? It was cool to watch "Star Wars" or "The Godfather" with the offscreen translation of Volodarsky, sitting in the bathhouse with friends and a beer.
    1. purple
      purple 11 October 2018 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      And what kind of antediluvian unit in the foreground of the second photo, similar to a 14-inch JVC TV from the early 90s of the last century? It was cool to watch "Star Wars" or "The Godfather" with the offscreen translation of Volodarsky, sitting in the bathhouse with friends and a beer.

      this is a medical monitor, take indicators
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 October 2018 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      It was cool to watch

      CAPTAIN POWER!
      Turn on Energy !!!! wassat
      1. True
        True 11 October 2018 18: 45
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        CAPTAIN POWER!

        Recently visited to review. Such a puppet theater).
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  9. Sadko88
    Sadko88 11 October 2018 15: 53
    +4
    Only wrecking and sabotage in the industry comes to mind ... sad
  10. ksv36
    ksv36 11 October 2018 15: 56
    +5
    In 1917, the state was ruled by cooks and collective farmers, but they raised the country to a high level. After a hundred years, the state, in my opinion, is governed by any mediocrity at all. It seems that by age it is not the EEG generation, but they do this.
    1. BAI
      BAI 11 October 2018 16: 06
      +3
      When the hands are golden, no matter where they grow from.
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 11 October 2018 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        When the hands are golden, no matter where they grow from.

        How to say - I had a gold-plated circuit board. Production - made in not ours, dope. I had to replace a group of transistors in the DirectFet case - these are unique devices, very small (0.7 mm thick), they were soldered on lead-free solder. There is a solution, it removes the solder, poppy = I was very interested in what was happening ...
        And the following happens -gold actively .. dissolves, under gold -nickel, under nickel -copper.
        Mat was highly artistic, which included not only the creators of this board, but also technologists, marketers, ideologists, in short all the queers. laughing
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 11 October 2018 20: 21
      +4
      and I think that only the Communists, led by the royal and Tsiolkovsky, who joined them, are to blame:) - you came up with the idea of ​​astronautics — rockets, flights, and other complicated and expensive things — not to sell quickly like oil, but it requires brains of hands and investments, it was up to the Communists time, drank vodka, fought in the middle of the village, went to the bathhouse, church, and no problems with space :)
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 12 October 2018 12: 20
        -1
        They did not come up with anything. Astronautics for them was just a side effect of military programs.
  11. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 11 October 2018 15: 58
    0
    We can do without trampolines?

    If it goes on like this, then no ... Let's look at the next launches. And when they will be.
  12. Azazelo
    Azazelo 11 October 2018 16: 00
    +2
    It seems like a saboteur was wound up in Russian space. Then the drill will be drilled by the union, now it’s broken the second stage. Well, at least for the liberals a reason to rejoice, but to write idiots to all idiots in comments.
  13. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 11 October 2018 16: 02
    +4
    Everything is quite logical .. Rogozin may be a professional in journalism ... but not in the space industry .. replacing professionals with amateurs has never led to good
  14. Graz
    Graz 11 October 2018 16: 04
    +4
    vrazhin and not one started up at the factory, marriage cannot go on like this
    1. True
      True 11 October 2018 16: 06
      +6
      Degradation. Doesn't it seem not?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 October 2018 16: 22
        +4
        Not even degradation - it is a fall.
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 11 October 2018 20: 30
          +1
          quietly and inconspicuously passed in the near past :) - accident moment 29 accident, when landing a superjet, delayed flight of the 22, helicopter accident with "hunters", fire on powder, smoke in a shopping center,
          collapsed bridges and sections, and so everything is fine all is well :)
      2. loki565
        loki565 11 October 2018 16: 43
        +2
        pure water diversion
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 11 October 2018 16: 22
      +1
      It seems to me that not in production, or rather, not only in production.
  15. True
    True 11 October 2018 16: 06
    +1
    Again Obama checked the torpedo of Rogozin?))))))
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 11 October 2018 16: 08
    +2
    I watched the launch in real time, and somehow there was a bad feeling about it.
    Well, intuition did not fail me.
    But in general, the fact that the emergency system worked normally and the astronauts are alive only shows the reliability of our equipment. Some nasty shuttle would burn if something went wrong.
    Iron itself can still be built, and astronauts in which case can no longer be returned. Build a new one and launch it.
    So I see reasons for panic and eternal grumbling and whining.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 October 2018 16: 20
      +10
      I could see it was hard pounding on the eve of launch. And then we arrived. Super-reliable Union to bring to this!
    2. Timtam
      Timtam 11 October 2018 16: 34
      -5
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      I watched the launch in real time, and somehow there was a bad feeling about it. Well, intuition did not fail me.
      Well, it was necessary to strain on the square and then atvisti attack that. Chagoz did not do anything? Knew and no gu gu. So, companions, and pradvigitsa kontra, you patch, and did not say. There was ara Nada. So, they supposedly sensed the enemy, and with a dozen on a nag. And you are a little. Stalin and Beria are not on you.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 11 October 2018 17: 11
        +4
        Translate from "Ezyka Padonkaff" to normal))
  17. BAI
    BAI 11 October 2018 16: 08
    +3
    And when will tech industries be run by professionals and not "politicians"? It's just a miracle that under Kiriyenko nothing exploded in Rosatom, such a reserve of strength was created. The space industry developed more dynamically, and there the Soviet reserve of strength was exhausted earlier.
  18. ksv36
    ksv36 11 October 2018 16: 14
    +1
    It seems that normal engines are leaving for export and under contracts, and we are left with rejection.
  19. NordUral
    NordUral 11 October 2018 16: 18
    +5
    The situation with the accident commented Deputy Chairman of the Russian government Yuri Borisov. According to him, the American side "should treat the situation with understanding."

    And we, the people of Russia, should also treat this with understanding? They ruined the USSR, ruin Russia! Leave yourself, people are still kind!
    The astronautics and the passenger aircraft industry were brought to a pen. Throw the thieves out of power, it’s not your honor to rule a great country, albeit so far in the past. Without you, the country will rise!
    1. loki565
      loki565 11 October 2018 16: 46
      -2
      you drag politics to any topic ???)))
  20. Tsoy
    Tsoy 11 October 2018 16: 26
    +5
    Very picturesque picture ...




    If that is an American astronaut. What eloquent views ...
    1. Moonsund
      Moonsund 11 October 2018 16: 31
      +3
      this is mutual love ...
      “Two minutes forty five seconds. Carrier failure. We flew quickly, ”says Russian cosmonaut Alexei Ovchinin before the emergency landing. The American was silent and in love examined the photo of Rogozin
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 October 2018 16: 44
      0
      This is before launch
  21. monster
    monster 11 October 2018 16: 40
    +20
    Igor Komarov, General Director of Roscosmos State Corporation, earned 71 million 501 thousand 646 rubles at his main place of work last year. Or 1 million 311 thousand 531 dollars at the average rate of 2017 ... And the salary of an electronic engineer is 11,3 thousand rubles. Among the requirements for an applicant is a higher technical education in the specialty "rocket science" and work experience (how long is not specified). This information is posted in the All-Russian database of vacancies. The center itself is located in the Chelyabinsk region, and the average salary in this region is three times higher - 31 thousand rubles. And yet, the Central Scientific Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering has posted a vacancy for a chief engineer with a salary of 23,2 to 30 thousand rubles. What Space ???
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 11 October 2018 22: 20
      0
      There were a lot of opinions: you have to pay an official a very large salary, then they will not steal. Or: like this: a billionaire for a high position - he has enough money !!! Take a look at the story!
  22. Radon
    Radon 11 October 2018 16: 47
    0
    Maybe you need to launch at least a cargo ship with supplies.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 11 October 2018 17: 14
      +2
      What for? So the crew did not prepare for a year + mission. Meaning? Specifically, that crew - performed its scientific work. You can certainly give a new ride - but he did not prepare for it. Consequently - it will perform not very good / bad.

      They have enough food / water / air for a long time. Established trucks will deliver - what was already planned for a new mission. Another question is that the efficiency of the station will fall. For, again, the scientific work will either stop or will be carried out barely (because this crew has already completed its crew, and Ovchinin and Haig / their understudies were trained under a new program of experiments).

      According to the plan, the next pizza will be lucky at the end of the month Progress - but on Soyuz2.1a. In the window from 22 to 29 November, Musk flies with CRS-16. Even if the Progress is canceled, they will sit until the Mask without any problems.
    2. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 11 October 2018 18: 47
      0
      Your suggestion sounds strange ...
      On the basis of it launched a transporter with 2 canned goods?
  23. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 11 October 2018 17: 05
    +12
    It seems that we are starting to eat up the legacy of the Soviet Union in astronautics ... something fundamentally has not appeared ... Names S, P Koroleva .. Keldysh .. Glushko ... Lozino-Lozinsky .. these are titans of science and industry .. and now pygmies with huge appetites for money ..
  24. mr_Flint
    mr_Flint 11 October 2018 17: 18
    -3
    Again, the hex covered our apparatus!
  25. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 11 October 2018 17: 20
    +1
    If only it would not become a system on the most reliable rocket
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  27. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 11 October 2018 18: 32
    +4
    There is only one question left: what will we change in this mess?
    Furniture, or girls?
  28. da Vinci
    da Vinci 11 October 2018 18: 34
    +1
    In memory of Ragozin on sMerdyukova! And Ragozina - for the presidency of the USA! Though it will be good! good
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2018 19: 25
      +2
      better than both there, and also nabiullina (why do I want to pronounce her last name in a completely different way?)
  29. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 11 October 2018 19: 22
    +4
    The current Roskosmos is a vivid example of the entire system that has developed in the country, when all the achievements created earlier are put on profit, first of all. There is no striving "for the stars".
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 11 October 2018 22: 15
      0
      Very annoying are such rags, Chubais, SMerdyukovs and the like, who only enjoy their former glory and eat up their insolent r * zhu and "authority". request
  30. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Or maybe you already need to carry out verification?
  31. Samara_63
    Samara_63 11 October 2018 20: 15
    +7
    Well, what is the increase in salary especially for directors of enterprises in particular RCC Progress improved the quality? Gee ... Finally, disperse all the thieves from Roskosmos, and remember the engineer-designer! The director should not receive a design engineer 100 times more!
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 11 October 2018 21: 31
      -7
      Here again, typical soviet thinking. It doesn’t matter how I live, it’s important that the cow die from a neighbor.
      Let the director receive as much as he wants, according to the degree of his responsibility for the processes. At least a thousand times more, at least ten thousand times, even sitting on the toilet with gold.
      It is important that this director really brings returns, that the business is done and developed, and that everyone else also worthily earns.
  32. Waldemar
    Waldemar 11 October 2018 20: 24
    -3
    I believe that the rocket was damaged by a laser beam during the flight. Most likely from orbit. In the upper atmosphere, this is possible.
  33. Imobile
    Imobile 11 October 2018 20: 29
    +2
    Good sofa - leather. The other day I saw the US ambassador in the "warm camp", he bought the cheapest plastic chairs in OBI, that's a goof.
  34. prior
    prior 11 October 2018 20: 38
    +1
    Unfortunately, the accident of the Union is logical because it is systemic.
    What system - such and achievements.
    Russian space is a legacy of the USSR.
    Union collapsed - space will also collapse.
  35. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2018 21: 55
    0
    Quote: Rods
    And, again, suddenly, the Soyuz exploded at launch.

    Didn't explode. It happened, as far as we are told, the abnormal separation of the blocks of the 1st stage (one either did not immediately depart, or something else). Accordingly, the carrier left the trajectory, and then the CAS performed its function. For the third time in the history of our manned space program

    Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
    Some nasty shuttle would burn if something went wrong.

    In the event of a sideways accident, the shuttle, like the Buran, would be separated and would land at an alternate airfield. If the carrier exploded, both the shuttle and the "Buran" would, as you say, burn out.

    Quote: ksv36
    It seems that normal engines are leaving for export and under contracts, and we are left with rejection.

    We do not supply these engines anywhere ... Neither for export nor under contracts

    Quote: Radon
    Maybe you need to launch at least a cargo ship with supplies.

    This month Progress MS-10 will go to the ISS. EMNIP November 20 - the next "Union"
  36. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 12 October 2018 00: 17
    -1
    Quote: ANCIENT
    those who have failed ... and Ragozin ... to admit his mistakes as well ... and not from the switchman ...

    SubstАwho have ... Рagosin ... svИ mistakes ... arrowsОchenik ... prekrАlurking
    The oldest ... - you two points! Will you drive him back to the end of his life!
  37. Tishka
    Tishka 12 October 2018 00: 51
    0
    While Korolev was in charge, the rockets flew, as the journalist began to lead, the rockets began to fall! It may be that Sergey Pavlovich was an engineer, not a journalist! Efficient managers bought solder on the cheap, or drilled a hole in the wrong place, or an orientation sensor, put it upside down. But, to the Angara, wings will be attached to us, for 60 lard, and the rockets will be transferred to gas, for a very reasonable amount of 80 lard! But, probably, they did not forget to consecrate the rocket, and they paid the priest, but under the Queen, they did without the priest, perhaps because the workers were paid, and there was no need to hallow the rockets!
  38. LeonidL
    LeonidL 12 October 2018 02: 30
    +1
    It is gratifying that people were saved, that the salvation system worked properly - this is a technical feat in itself ... Made in the USSR. But to look at the FSB space industry enterprises for saboteurs, most likely in embroidered shirts, is even worth it. In general, the FSB catches Islamic terrorists and accomplices - this is excellent, but what’s the network of Ukrainian agents, saboteurs and accomplices in Russia? Maybe you should finally find out the cause of the dramatically increased number of fires, accidents, holes in spacecraft, etc.?
  39. Million
    Million 12 October 2018 07: 42
    +3
    Where Rogozin, there ass!
  40. parma
    parma 12 October 2018 09: 49
    0
    It's time to get trampolines! Or is there again astronauts during the launch hole done?

    I also thought about it ... Probably, as soon as they got into the rocket, they immediately began to drill "to return to the ground as soon as possible" ...
  41. ork_333
    ork_333 12 October 2018 09: 56
    +1
    Why did no one think that the American astronaut was prepared for the role of "sacred sacrifice"? If he died, it would be possible to "refresh" the information campaign against Russia. And not only "refresh", but also launch an offensive in several more directions. Instead of thinking about who will benefit more from the disaster, the majority begins to "suck" Rogozin, the system, the government, etc. That is, do your favorite thing. Although sometime after Rogozin's statement that "let the Americans then launch their astronauts into space on trampolines" the majority with the same passion with which they now paraffin it, then urinated with joy. "Experts" are fucking shitty, do better to change for the better your immediate surroundings - a staircase, an entrance, a yard. Then go to the international level.
  42. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2018 10: 22
    -2
    Quote: Silence
    While Korolev was in charge, the rockets flew, as the journalist began to lead, the rockets began to fall!

    Missiles fell under the Queen. especially when the development of a new technique is inevitable, falls are inevitable. Moreover, the numbers were very large, almost a fifth of the launches of missiles of the R-7 family in the period before the death of Sergei Pavlovich were emergency, all emergency and partially successful was almost up to a third of launches. But this is quite natural and not because Korolev was an engineer, not a journalist. There was a development of new technology. Another thing is that now emergency launches have become more and more common. But it could not be otherwise, because the collapse of the country touched the space industry. Another thing is that the output control should be more stringent. Previously, in order to replace any element in an already approved product, military representatives had to prove that this element would not be worse. And often, former employees of the same design bureau where they later worked as PZ became military envoys ...

    Quote: LeonidL
    It is gratifying that people were saved, that the salvation system worked properly - this is a technical feat in itself ... Made in the USSR. But to look at the FSB space industry enterprises for saboteurs, most likely in embroidered shirts, it’s even worth it.

    Maybe you shouldn't blame the Americans, the Chinese, and now the saboteurs in "embroidered shirts" for their troubles? Maybe you should see what is "rotten" in the industry? Or do you think that the installer who installed the sensors upside down was paid by the Americans? Or maybe just because earlier, work in the industry was prestigious and well paid, but now the same installer gets 15-20 thousand, working in the same Moscow or the Moscow region. Less than some garbage collector?
    The easiest thing is to nod that everyone but ourselves is to blame.