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Shooting counterfeit. The US is stealing old Soviet technology

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The US military appealed to the American arms manufacturer with a proposal to establish and begin production of Russian weapons in the U.S..


The National Interest edition claims that we are talking about at least two systems: the modernized Kalashnikov machine gun (PKM) and the large-caliber 12,7-mm NSV machine gun.

Shooting counterfeit. The US is stealing old Soviet technology


A direct appeal was received from the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM), which means the following military requirements for gunsmiths: obtain blueprints, necessary parts and materials without military assistance, and also make copies of Russian weapons in the United States using materials produced by American enterprises same citizens.

For this task, SOCOM allocates grants to companies that can "uncover and improve the technology of the Kalashnikov machine gun modernized and large-caliber machine gun NSV" Cliff "and produce copies of them."

Companies that will apply for participation in a research project will have to produce "five fully-functional prototypes (involving the firing of live ammunition) weapons similar to foreign ones, which in form, fastening and function resemble the Russian heavy machine gun NSV 12,7 × 108 mm."

However, apparently, we are not talking about absolutely accurate copying. As stated above, the “improvement” of the structure is allowed. Based on the American traditions of customization and weapon tuning, it can be assumed that some ergonomic changes can be made, as well as mounting seats for sights and other equipment in accordance with American standards (Picatinny rail). There is simply nothing to improve there.

Why do Americans need it? Of stories we know quite a few instances when, in carrying out covert operations, the weapon or the form of the enemy was used to confuse traces or create a casus belli. In some cases, when the armament required quite a lot (for example, to arm the rebels), even its secret production with fake stamps took place. Also known is the special "terrorist series" of the Swedish machine gun M-45 "Karl Gustav", which were produced without numbers and no signs to make it impossible to track them.

Michael Peck, the author of the material in National Interest, gives the following explanation of such a strange, at first glance, solution.



He points out that Middle Eastern jihadists, terrorists and other SOCOM wards have long preferred Soviet or Russian weapons. And therefore, “when American special forces are supplying some of these groups with weapons, they have to“ comb ”the world arms market in order to obtain Russian equipment, as well as spare parts.

In order to facilitate the logistics of terrorist gangs and save SOCOM from “scouring the global arms market” in search of a spare trunk for PKM or a broken return spring (this is exactly what Peck’s reasoning looks like), and it was decided to start producing these weapons.

However, this explanation does not hold water. Since this weapon and zip do not require any “combing” to it - it is full of it in the arsenals of many American allies, and some of them produce it.

So, for example, the Syrian and Iraqi jihadists, as well as Kurdish militants, armed and armed with Americans, for example, with freshly produced Bulgarian weapons, which are purchased through front companies. Also, the weapons for the "barmaleev" are bought from Ukraine and other Eastern European countries.

These schemes have been worked out clearly and in detail, and they do not pose any problems for the American organizers and sponsors of the jihad. They even manage to earn money through mediation and kickbacks.

Meanwhile, it is well known that the Russian "rifle" quite intensively use the American forces of special operations as a weapon of a limited standard. So, back in 90-e years, Americans bought for their special forces silent systems AS "Val" and BCC "Vintorez". Judging by the photographs from the Middle East and Afghanistan, the American special forces are using the mentioned PKM with might and main. And PMC operators use Soviet weapons almost more often than American ones. PKM is massively used by Turkish troops in Syria and is still in service with the Bundeswehr and krigsmarine.

This is not surprising: PKM today is one of the best single machine guns in the world - powerful, reliable, unpretentious, compact, one of the lightest. So there is every reason to believe that it is used in the US MTR and PMCs, working for the Pentagon and the CIA.



It should also be noted that PKM uses an 7,62x54 cartridge that does not meet NATO standards. And it means that it will be necessary to expand the production and the entire range of these ammunition.



However, most likely, the idea of ​​the American production of Russian machine guns is dictated not only by the desire to provide its special forces, mercenaries and "allies" with American weapons. Washington is interested in the fact that the American manufacturers earned the money that the Bulgarians, for example, arm the terrorists, earn. This, in fact, is one of the main principles of the “tramping monitors”: “Buy American!”

Or, in the words of O'Henry, "He considered every dollar in someone else's pocket a personal insult."



And how this scheme works is illustrated by the story of the sale of the American replica RPG-7 called PSRL-1, produced by the American company Airtronic USA. The difference of this device from the prototype is mainly external in nature - modified ergonomics and Picatinny rail. Nevertheless, Kiev buys these grenade launchers for the National Guard under 5,5 thousand. $ Apiece! And this is despite the fact that the arsenals and long-term storage of Ukraine are crammed with Soviet RPG-7, completely free for Kiev. Corruption component in this scheme, no one, including the Ukrainian experts, no doubt. It can be assumed that for the Armed Forces of Ukraine they will start purchasing PCM and the Armed Forces of the United States for exorbitant prices, after Ukrainian officials receive appropriate kickbacks.

It is well known that similar methods of doing business for the United States are normal and generally accepted. Moreover, corruption is called "lobbying."

What about copyright? There is no doubt that the United States does not intend to comply with the requirements of international laws in this matter.

“If someone wants to conduct this work legally, according to all the rules, let them come to Rosoboronexport and discuss. Otherwise we are talking about the illegal copying of Russian developments. Simply put, about theft, "- said in Rostec. The state corporation noted that “such ideas, if they really exist, once again prove the advantages of Russian weapons,” reports ЕDaily.



However, the States have acted in the same way before. The above mentioned software company Karl Gustav has become one of the favorite tools of CIA operatives, green berets and death squads they have created. This machine pistol has acquired a sad celebrity as a result of the massive use of the American operation “Phoenix” in Indochina, a large-scale “cleansing” of the opponents of the invaders and the corrupt government of South Vietnam.

And when Sweden imposed an embargo on arms supplies to the United States, Smith & Wesson, commissioned by the Navy and the MTR, simply copied the Swedish submachine gun and began producing it under the name M76.

Returning to the Soviet (Russian) machine guns, we note that Ukraine helps the Americans in setting up the production of weapons counterfeit.

According to EADaily, more than half a year ago, the American company Purple Shovel bought through Ukrinmash, part of the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, a set of working design documentation for the production of KT-7,62 machine guns for 7 mln. (267 thousand. $).



Recall that the KT-7,62 is the Ukrainian version of the modernized Kalashnikov machine gun, which is produced at the Mayak plant in Kiev. Its “modernization” consists in mounting the Picatinny rail on the receiver of the machine gun and using the bag with a synthetic material instead of the standard metal box.

Also, the publication reports that Purple Shovel 2 this January received for 53 thousands of $ billet barrel chambered for caliber 12,7 mm to the gunner NSV.

The supplier was the private Ukrainian LLC Scientific and Production Company Techimpex. From myself we add that we are most likely talking about interchangeable barrels that come with the machine gun. By the way, militants in DUS complain about the lack or absence of replaceable barrels for large-caliber machine guns. Did everyone in the States sell?

As we see, the momentum in all these schemes is not too large. Counterfeits are engaged in the production and do not intend to engage in the whales of the American military industrial complex. And this suggests that even the US medium and small business already demonstrates a complete disregard for the norms of international economic law and practices openly gangster methods. If someone thinks that such ways of doing business will be allowed only in relation to Russia and other countries that Washington counts as their opponents, they are deeply mistaken. These methods will soon be extended to everyone.
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  1. Yrec
    Yrec 12 October 2018 10: 11
    +18
    Hence the conclusion - legal Windows must give, pirate Windows Foreva! Department "K" - to disband, it only specializes in pirated Windows.
    1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
      KBaHT_BpeMeHu 12 October 2018 10: 19
      +9
      Division "K" - to disband
      Department "K" - to reformat 180 degrees and complete it as much as possible.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 12 October 2018 10: 41
        +19
        Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
        Division "K" - to disband
        Department "K" - to reformat 180 degrees and complete it as much as possible.

        And load it with mining and developing keys for Russian users of American software!
        And so that mikriki do not cling, replace the word in Windows programs with "Windows", "Panels" and "Shutters", and Microsoft - with the word "Artel"!
        Like them, so are we!
        1. beeper
          beeper 12 October 2018 12: 15
          +2
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
          Division "K" - to disband
          Department "K" - to reformat 180 degrees and complete it as much as possible.

          And load it with mining and developing keys for Russian users of American software!
          And so that mikriki do not cling, replace the word in Windows programs with "Windows", "Panels" and "Shutters", and Microsoft - with the word "Artel"!
          Like them, so are we!

          hi Support! good fellow
          Oddly enough, but I, too, somehow right away, even at the first news of this intention of amers, "faster than a steam locomotive" came up with this "reasonable answer" with "borrowed" computer "Windows", and not a weapon! yes smile
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 12 October 2018 11: 22
      +2
      laughing Give Jolly Roger to your desktop!
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 12 October 2018 10: 13
    +5
    From here and file the Russian Federation in international courts for patent infringement.
    1. Altona
      Altona 12 October 2018 10: 30
      +3
      Quote: Conductor
      From here and file the Russian Federation in international courts for patent infringement.

      --------------------
      This weapon is furry-bearded years of production and development. With the same success, you can get to the machine gun Haira Maxim. Patent terms have expired.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 12 October 2018 11: 29
      +2
      Conductor, NSV-12,7 (Cliff) was produced in the Kazakh SSR at the Metallist plant in Uralsk. After the collapse of the Union, a certain number of machine guns were stamped (sources give different numbers, from a few hundred to three thousand) and production was stopped. And only recently it was renewed - there was a message from the Ministry of Defense and Aerospace Industry of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
      The rock was also produced in Poland, India, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. Iran was also licensed, but there is no information that the Persians were able to master its production. So the States can get the Cliff from their Polish and Bulgarian "friends". hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 12 October 2018 13: 39
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        Quote: Kasym
        Conductor, NSV-12,7 (Cliff) was produced in the Kazakh SSR at the Metallist plant in Uralsk. After the collapse of the Union, a certain number of machine guns were stamped (sources give different numbers, from a few hundred to three thousand) and production was stopped. And only recently it was renewed - there was a message from the Ministry of Defense and Aerospace Industry of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

        Salam!
        Up to 6 thousand barrels were fired, 1000 went to the troops, there besides the DBM, the rest did not know what to do, at one time and then somehow "resolved." We tried to develop it for NATO 50, but there it was technically difficult to remake the feed mechanism.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 12 October 2018 15: 24
          0
          Salam, "penalty box"!
          It seems to me that the Iranians could not pick up the necessary materials (alloys).
          Interestingly, the Yankees will "bungle". I don’t understand why they need this - for a long time it has been clear to all the special services that they are “feeding” the Barmaley ?! Or are they not satisfied with Western models? The states also wanted to launch the production of RPG-7 (if they had not already done so) ... hi
          1. marshes
            marshes 12 October 2018 15: 29
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            I wonder what the Yankees will "bungle"

            It seems to the Bulgarians in this thread, by the way, our guns for the 30mm Barysov also ordered roofing felts from the Bulgarians or from the Croats on the side. 2A 42

            Americans, there is a demand will produce, business.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 12 October 2018 17: 14
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              So the Yankees have enough of their rifle, including used storage. They impose sanctions because of the purchase grew. weapons - and here they themselves want to produce Soviet developments. belay. They are friends with the head - they themselves give an occasion to send a forest ?!
              "You cannot offer such a reliable and high-quality weapon, much less copy; but we are forbidden to buy original samples."
              Some insanity. Without realizing it, the Yankees advertise the Russian defense industry. laughing
              Tell me, well, who of the third countries wants that Browning M2 to buy? laughing
              1. marshes
                marshes 12 October 2018 17: 23
                0
                They began to produce PM at their place under 9x17, just to speak. There is still popularity in narrow circles. Those who Walter PPK can not afford and the price tag on it is not democratic.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 12 October 2018 17: 44
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                  I didn’t know, I read about deliveries and what ladies prefer. Either Baikal, or Izh is called in the States ... Oh, the free sale of trunks will bring the States. They mock people like a partridge.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 12 October 2018 17: 53
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                    Quote: Kasym
                    I didn’t know, I read about deliveries and what ladies prefer

                    Yes, mostly while ladies, the weapon is convenient for covert carrying and even fits in a purse. and High security in handling.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Either Baikal, or Izh is called in the States ...

                    A relative of the Russians did not see, but the Chinese came across, but the company there in Florida already already produces two types of chrome and blued KGB, as well as AK.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Oh, the free sale of trunks will bring the States. They mock people like a partridge.

                    Doomsday, Doomsday, go clean up the losers in this way while playing the Green Card Lottery. Anything personal is a pure business.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 12 October 2018 15: 26
        0
        We know. Thank you, I once worked at Kazspecexport.
  3. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 12 October 2018 10: 18
    +2
    Well, actually patent law has a validity period, usually from 5 to 15 years, after the expiration of this period, anyone can produce products using patented technology.
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 October 2018 10: 25
      +3
      It is well known that similar methods of doing business for the United States are normal and generally accepted. Moreover, corruption is called "lobbying."

      And then. With a slight wave of a hand and -
      was a speculator - but became a businessman. And not so ear cuts. )))
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 12 October 2018 10: 44
      0
      You see, are you sure that there is only one patent? and what they clone there, does not have a later patent.
  4. Bykov.
    Bykov. 12 October 2018 10: 25
    +6
    Who is there ever buzzing on the Chinese, about
    need for copyright compliance?
  5. Altona
    Altona 12 October 2018 10: 28
    +3
    Fathers, the United States slipped to the level of the Chinese, that is, to direct impudent copying. And by the way, why do they need blueprints when you can disassemble a brand-new machine gun in grease and measure it in a 3D scanner? And then immediately shove the resulting virtual model into the CNC machine. They can also determine the composition of the metal by all sorts of laboratory methods. There is a powerful metallurgical school.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 12 October 2018 10: 33
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      And by the way, why do they need blueprints when you can disassemble a brand-new machine gun in grease and measure it in an 3D scanner?

      You are ... A patent urgently needed. And then they will read you, and will do so. wink
      1. Altona
        Altona 12 October 2018 12: 23
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And then they will read you, and will do so.

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        The whole world has been doing this for a long time. This is already 15 years old. Now they can even run the created virtual product through the virtual workshop to show who and how will make it, cognitive technologies in action. Paper blueprints and manufacturing processes are now as rudimentary as cash. If a small company does not have such technologies, then they can order scans from an engineering company. They will copy it, but will it work? The M60 machine gun works poorly, although it is an "improved" "replica of the MG-42, an exact copy of the Wright brothers' aircraft, made for the anniversary of something there, too, could not take off.
  6. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 12 October 2018 10: 31
    +6
    "Look, Kid, these are crooks!" (C)
    O'Henry was right ...
  7. Jerk
    Jerk 12 October 2018 10: 40
    +2
    As already mentioned - the country of crooked slopopok. In Russia, the Pechenegs have long been, and penguins have just finished reading the old PC of the 60s of the last century.
    100!!! years it took the brakes to understand - American monkeys are stupidly incapable of making machine guns! It is necessary to hire Ukrainian guest workers - and copy the Soviet ones with their help.
    Or so crawl with a modernized machine gun of the first world war - heavy caliber browning wassat They didn’t do anything else in the USA
  8. beeper
    beeper 12 October 2018 10: 53
    +1
    An interesting technical and creative challenge for weapons designers and technologists (any, not only American): "to reveal and improve the technology of the Kalashnikov machine gun of the modernized and heavy machine gun NSV" Utes "(and the current Russian" KORD "was not liked by the American" copyists ", the term of the patent has not expired ?!) and make copies of them ”! smile
    It’s very interesting for me to see what will come of it in the end, is it really limited to just stupid copying and "cosmetics" ?! winked
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2018 11: 14
    +1
    So let's see how they will finalize our "locomotive"? High-tech !!!
    Will they be able to make a submarine out of it without "our mother", scrap and "Mary Ivanna" ???
    We will leave the question of price for further consideration.
  10. wooja
    wooja 12 October 2018 11: 15
    +1
    we didn’t start, but we need to answer .... democracies like precedents ... well, they created it, piracy is actually legalized, and may Russia follow Mayakovsky’s words, eagerly take all that is good in the West ..., lawlessness by lawlessness. ..
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 October 2018 11: 42
    +2
    the whole highlight of the machine gun is a reliable table.
    I remember there were rumors that only a lighthouse can make trunks to machine guns in Ukraine, and that is remotely reminiscent of the original in quality. whether the Americans will be able to produce high-quality barrels is the main question, but I think they will succeed, because in the manufacture of small arms they have enormous experience
  12. Disorder
    Disorder 12 October 2018 11: 54
    +2
    Russia is already moving to Pecheneg, and the NSW has generally remained in Kazakhstan, in Russia Kord.
    Saaaavsem became bad for the States with machine guns. wassat The PC will go to replace the MK48 (developed by the Herstal fn), and the NSV will replace the old Browning.
  13. atesterev
    atesterev 12 October 2018 13: 11
    +1
    After 70 years, the Yankees decided to avenge the Tu-4, which was completely seamless with them, as the B-29 Superfortress
  14. wooja
    wooja 12 October 2018 15: 43
    0
    they’ll steal and release ... and we’ll bite our elbows and puff out our cheeks to say - it’s stolen from us ... and be proud ...,
  15. AB
    AB 12 October 2018 18: 43
    0
    It has been and always will be. China, India, Malaysia, Korea (both), USA and so on ad infinitum. They stole, they steal and will steal. Industrial espionage is our everything.
  16. serge siberian
    serge siberian 12 October 2018 19: 34
    0
    The Chinese are copying AK, but they still can’t unravel the barrel. So the Americans will bale, but with their design and a box of trunks in a zip to the PC. And PM 9na 17 is IL service for private security companies, even from our 90s our gunsmiths stamp. Yes, and there is a carbine for this cartridge, there is also a revolver. A cartridge with a lead bullet in a copper sheath. It is specially designed for private security companies. They say the bullet is flattened after falling into pieces and breaks the latter into pieces, but it has not been seen. hi
  17. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 October 2018 08: 30
    +1
    All this does not cause indignation. As the saying goes, "burned out." When we left the Warsaw Pact countries, even then we had to think about it. During the war, enterprises were evacuated under fire, or they were destroyed.
    we were also prevented from acting in times of our common shame. It was also necessary to act for 90 years. And there is nothing to blame for the mirror ...
  18. vladcub
    vladcub 13 October 2018 21: 15
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Fathers, the United States slipped to the level of the Chinese, that is, to direct impudent copying. And by the way, why do they need blueprints when you can disassemble a brand-new machine gun in grease and measure it in a 3D scanner? And then immediately shove the resulting virtual model into the CNC machine. They can also determine the composition of the metal by all sorts of laboratory methods. There is a powerful metallurgical school.

    If they have extra money, then let them give it to me, and I will find where to put it.
  19. vladcub
    vladcub 13 October 2018 21: 21
    0
    Quote: AB
    It has been and always will be. China, India, Malaysia, Korea (both), USA and so on ad infinitum. They stole, they steal and will steal. Industrial espionage is our everything.

    We also "borrowed" something from them. There is an interesting book: "That Ilyich to Ilyich. The history of industrial exploration" I recommend everyone to read it
  20. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 16 October 2018 11: 26
    0
    Ukraine still needs to sell its Hammer mortars to amers! laughing