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For half a year to lieutenants: Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation opens accelerated training courses

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The Ministry of Defense announced the recruitment of contract servicemen for semi-annual courses of lieutenants, reported News.

For half a year to lieutenants: Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation opens accelerated training courses


Become cadets can become contract servicemen who have served at least 3 for years and have a higher civil education. The set is carried out as an experiment. The age of the candidate should not exceed 35 years.

Train in courses will be the most scarce specialties in the ground forces, such as platoon and communication commander commanders. Courses will be organized on the basis of military universities and training centers. The number of cadets is strictly not limited - everything will depend on the availability of vacancies.

Directly at the desk, the cadets will spend about a month. All the rest of the time will spend on probation in the army.

At the first graduates, it is planned to roll out the training system - after a certain time after being appointed to the post, the unit commanders will present them with characteristics that will indicate all the strengths and weaknesses of the platoon.

According to expert Viktor Murakhovsky, there are many posts in the army where officers trained under the accelerated program can serve. In this case, courses can be organized both in military schools and in training centers, depending on the chosen specialty.

Courses similar in their task to graduate junior lieutenants existed from 2003 to 2009 in the Russian Armed Forces. They were reduced under Anatolia Serdyukov, who at that time headed the Russian military department.
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 11 October 2018 12: 51
    +3
    True, as experts, they will be superficial.
    1. Borik
      Borik 11 October 2018 12: 53
      +26
      It all resembles the 41-42 year. then there were also crash courses.
      At the beginning, thousands of officers were fired for the training of which they spent 3-4 years, and now they want to make a full-fledged officer out of contract soldiers in six months.
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 11 October 2018 12: 54
        +6
        Exactly, this is annoying ... what is the need for this? Or lack of military schools?
        1. My_log_in
          My_log_in 11 October 2018 13: 01
          +17
          just here and now they decided not to wait for the "thunder to break out" and in advance, perhaps even before the "flash of lightning", prepare junior command personnel, incl. and officer, for deploying units. Or planned for deployment, if you like it more. I think so.
          1. hrych
            hrych 11 October 2018 13: 15
            +20
            Quote: My_Log_In
            do not wait for the "thunder to strike"

            And right
            Quote: Alexey-74
            as experts they will be superficial.

            You, that, these are professionals who have served in the units for at least 3 years, and have not steamed in the barracks of the school, but also have a civilian university. On the contrary, it is the practice of attracting people who want to associate themselves with the service, but missed the after-school period and they had no chance to advance in a military career, this is an attempt to increase the professional and intellectual level as well (already military profession + university).
            1. chenia
              chenia 11 October 2018 13: 55
              +11
              Quote: hrych
              and not soared in the barracks of the school


              Cadets soar in the barracks, the original.
              Dear, a cadet after six months of stay (in my time) at the school catches up with a soldier (at the school by profile) of the second year of service (as a specialist) in all respects, or even bypasses. Never compare a power supply unit in a linear part with a military university.
              At the same time, outfits, guards and a kitchen (up to 4 courses) are required.
              Now more relief is possible, but the barracks is 2 years old, with the regime not different from the linear part, for sure.
              1. jjj
                jjj 11 October 2018 13: 58
                +1
                During the years of World War II, officers were also rapidly trained
                1. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 11 October 2018 15: 34
                  +4
                  Here is a somewhat different selection, first you need a higher education, then length of service, and only further accelerated courses. (Recall the volunteers in RIA). And they call for certain specialties - the approach seems to be true throughout. And most importantly, any officers should undergo regular retraining and improvement, these are the requirements of the time in the too rapid development of everything in military affairs.
              2. hrych
                hrych 11 October 2018 14: 04
                +8
                First of all, do not forget that service in parts of a country that is constantly fighting is often a combat experience. Moreover, the units are not located in large cities, like schools, but in a remote, mountainous and deserted area, or in the sea-ocean, therefore cadet weekdays cannot always be modeled, or even never. I repeat, a person has already served for years, before that, a person received higher education and will take courses for half a year and probably not sewing or sewing. A very correct topic for people walking by vocation and at an independent age. And there are a lot of blockheads at the school and are not created for the service and there will be no sense in them, I know a huge number of them.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 11 October 2018 14: 10
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              Quote: My_Log_In
              do not wait for the "thunder to strike"

              And right
              Quote: Alexey-74
              as experts they will be superficial.

              You, that, these are professionals who have served in the units for at least 3 years, and have not steamed in the barracks of the school, but also have a civilian university. On the contrary, it is the practice of attracting people who want to associate themselves with the service, but missed the after-school period and they had no chance to advance in a military career, this is an attempt to increase the professional and intellectual level as well (already military profession + university).

              The first time I agree with you.
              1. hrych
                hrych 11 October 2018 14: 18
                +4
                Quote: Krasnodar
                The first time I agree with you.

                Since beginning drinks
            3. Alexey-74
              Alexey-74 11 October 2018 14: 18
              +1
              I hope that it will be so.
            4. denart50
              denart50 11 October 2018 15: 02
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              You, that, these are professionals who have served in the units for at least 3 years, and have not steamed in the barracks of the school, but also have a civilian university. On the contrary, it is the practice of attracting people who want to associate themselves with the service, but missed the after-school period and they had no chance to advance in a military career, this is an attempt to increase the professional and intellectual level as well (already military profession + university).


              Grunt ... With all due respect ... hi
            5. adma
              adma 11 October 2018 19: 33
              0
              Quote: hrych
              You, that, these are professionals who have served in the units for at least 3 years, and have not steamed in the barracks of the school, but also have a civilian university.

              At one time, I met only two "jackets" who were able to rise to any significant position. At the same time, the bulk of them (those who remained to serve) did not rise above the battalion's NSh. I can assume that this experiment will have a similar result.
              PS: I remember one announcement, the era of the beginning of capitalism in the Russian Federation. "The shop needs sellers. A prerequisite is the lack of experience in Soviet trade."
              So I think that officers should be trained with a citizen, without experience of serving as a soldier.
              1. Forestol
                Forestol 11 October 2018 20: 13
                +3
                I would remind you of the “jacket” Kvashnin, who introduced troops into Chechnya in 1994/95.
                1. adma
                  adma 11 October 2018 20: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Forestol
                  I would remind you of the “jacket” Kvashnin, who introduced troops into Chechnya in 1994/95.

                  And remind me of the storming of Grozny in the first Chechen one. He, if my memory serves me right, carried out measures to send troops into the city, routes of movement and interaction?
                2. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 11 October 2018 20: 46
                  -1
                  He was guided in such a way that he could not resist in the saddle. Personnel Matyukhin, the commander of the North Caucasus Military District, was also empty compared to Kvshnin.
        2. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
          KBaHT_BpeMeHu 11 October 2018 13: 03
          0
          The reserve, only the quality of such a reserve is doubtful.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 11 October 2018 15: 05
            +3
            Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
            The reserve, only the quality of such a reserve is doubtful.

            An ensign or contractor with experience in engineering, and even more so with a technical background, will give odds to a young lieutenant - a graduate of a military school.
            1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
              KBaHT_BpeMeHu 11 October 2018 15: 26
              -2
              This is contrary to logic, then why do we need higher education institutions, let's recruit ensigns laughing
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 11 October 2018 15: 52
                0
                Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
                This is contrary to logic, then why do we need higher education institutions, let's recruit ensigns laughing

                I meant military-technical specialties, not command ones. Well, the flight personnel for the Air Force and the command for the Navy do not prepare civilian universities.
                1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
                  KBaHT_BpeMeHu 11 October 2018 15: 58
                  +2
                  It is clearly written there
                  For half a year to lieutenants
                  , we are discussing it here.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 11 October 2018 18: 17
                    0
                    Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
                    It is clearly written there
                    For half a year to lieutenants
                    , we are discussing it here.

                    But you then answered my comment. Reread and you will understand what I wrote about the technique. And the article should be read thinking. After all, it is clear that no one is going to make lieutenants from contract soldiers in all military specialties. But with the fact that warrant officers taught us how to work on the materiel of "green" lieutenants, I met many times during my service. He himself arrived at the unit.
            2. adma
              adma 11 October 2018 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              An ensign or contractor with experience in engineering, and even more so with a technical background, will give odds to a young lieutenant - a graduate of a military school.

              If you think that the task of an officer - a platoon commander is only to repair and maintain equipment and weapons, then you are slightly mistaken.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 11 October 2018 20: 50
                0
                Quote: adma
                If you think that the task of an officer - a platoon commander is only to repair and maintain equipment and weapons, then you are slightly mistaken.

                Where did I write about the COMMAND officers? And what can you say about the tasks of the Air Force engineers and technicians? Or have I been "slightly wrong" for 25 years?
                1. adma
                  adma 11 October 2018 21: 39
                  -1
                  Well, apparently they were mistaken if they did not know that the task of the officer (I emphasize any) is the organization and control of implementation.
                  It was during the glorious Soviet times that the duties of ordinary and sergeant personnel were piled on the officers. So the lieutenants rattled their keys in the cold instead of doing what the officer was supposed to do.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 12 October 2018 08: 21
                    0
                    Quote: adma
                    Well, apparently they were mistaken if they did not know that the task of the officer (I emphasize any) is the organization and control of implementation.

                    Directly ANYONE? You, apparently, are absolutely unaware of how the maintenance and repair of aviation equipment is carried out. Whom can a technician "control and organize" (in the rank of l-ta, senior l-ta), if he himself is only an executor and there are simply no subordinates in his staff.
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 12 October 2018 09: 24
                      +1
                      You, apparently, are absolutely unaware of how the maintenance and repair of aviation equipment is carried out. Whom can a technician "control and organize" (in the rank of l-ta, senior l-ta), if he himself is only an executor and there are simply no subordinates in his staff. - Piramidon (Stepan)

                      And what about an airplane technician at the present time, even an airplane mechanic personally not subordinate to him?
                      When I served (mid-70s), on my plane, in addition to me, the plane’s equipment was also a conscript soldier, mechanic (MIG-21 plane), who graduated from ShMAS. At a later time, even a warrant officer was added.
                      And the soldiers from the service groups of REO, AO, AB, SAPS, them that the aircraft equipment does not need to be controlled on his own plane? This is the direct responsibility of the aircraft technician!
                      And now, what is one airplane technician ???
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 12 October 2018 10: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: vladimirZ
                        And what about an airplane technician at the present time, even an airplane mechanic personally not subordinate to him?

                        I don’t know how it is currently. A simple example from my service practice (years of service 1966-1991). Aircraft Tu-95RTs. My first position was electrical equipment technician. Was a member of the technical crew. There are no subordinates. Commanders and chiefs - above the roof. Yes, and the senior technician of the mechanics (as many as three copies, and even those in eternal guard duty) is more complicated than covering, uncovering, connecting TZ to the central heating system, draining the sludge of fuel ... Well, also - "give, bring, drag".
                      2. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 12 October 2018 12: 08
                        -1
                        Aircraft Tu-95RC. My first position is a senior electrical engineer. - Piramidon (Stepan)

                        You probably have this type of aircraft defined. And we have the technical crew of the aircraft: the aircraft technician - an officer and a mechanic for SD - a soldier of military service.
                        On flights, full technical crew of the aircraft is required. And we had flights every other day — a day of preliminary preparation, a day of flights, and so on without interruptions in the weather. 8 hours is purely just a flight shift, plus time for pre-flight, after-flight and haulage of aircraft to hangars. Mechanics were rarely even put on outfits, so on weekends, rarely on days of preliminary preparation, so that I was constantly on the plane. The mechanic did a simple job, under control, but without it, nowhere, especially on flights.
                        In the services of AO, REO, and AV squadron there are the group leader, a technician of the group specializing in officers, an ensign, and several soldiers of military service (3-5 men), in SAPS - 1 soldier, conscript, ensign and group leader.
                        Constantly on flights, and on preliminary ones, it was necessary to control the work of soldiers, especially from special equipment and weapons groups, what they do, and how, although someone from their officers was with them.
                      3. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 12 October 2018 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: vladimirZ
                        You probably have

                        I simply replied to the categorical statement (Adma) that ANY officer should only be engaged in "organizing and monitoring execution" and gave an example from my service experience. hi
                      4. adma
                        adma 12 October 2018 18: 06
                        0
                        In my service experience, there have been cases of captains and majors joining the guard as sentries. And this does not mean at all that this is correct. Discrediting the title "officer" has been going on since Soviet times. it has not stopped, apparently, and now. Is there a need to put an officer where a contract specialist can handle?
                        Time passes, but nothing changes. Put a barrier, or sensible major laughing
                    2. adma
                      adma 12 October 2018 17: 57
                      -1
                      You, apparently, absolutely did not understand what I said. I repeat -
                      Quote: adma
                      It was in glorious Soviet times that the duties of ordinary and sergeant officers were blamed on officers.

                      The nuts should be twisted by a technician with the rank of maximum ensign.
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 12 October 2018 18: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: adma
                        The nuts should be twisted by a technician with the rank of maximum ensign.

                        I don't know what you mean by the term "should" (these are just your wishes and speculations, and I am writing about what happened in reality), but I had an officer's position in my staff and no one except me twisted these nuts and was not "must". hi Moreover, the "nuts" had to be turned not just like that, from the "bully", but, figuratively speaking, knowing where and what and how many revolutions.
            3. Moore
              Moore 12 October 2018 06: 11
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              An ensign or contractor with experience in engineering, and even more so with a technical background, will give odds to a young lieutenant - a graduate of a military school.

              To the graduate - naturally. Only a year later, a normal lieutenant, who wants to serve and delves into the essence of the processes, covers these warrant officers with contract soldiers like a bull sheep.
              Why? Because in high school he was given basethanks to which it is possible to increase knowledge, skills and abilities.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 12 October 2018 07: 06
                +2
                The base is good, but here I am talking about the infantry commander’s platoon or communications. In the IDF, such people grow out of conscripts and cope pretty well.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 12 October 2018 07: 37
                  +1
                  In the IDF, such people grow out of conscripts and cope pretty well. - Krasnodar

                  In a previous article at the HE dedicated to the creation of a training center in one of the civilian universities, I commented on the historical experience of training cadre officers and non-commissioned officers in Kaiser and Hitler Germany. By the way, there were no military schools or academies there, in our understanding.
                  http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/nem-armia-1901.shtml http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/nem-armia-1901-a.shtml http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/nem-armia-1901-b.shtml http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sluzba-wermaxt.php http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sluzba-wermaxt-ofz.php
                  So there was used this experience of training officers from serving soldiers - "contract soldiers" who expressed a desire to become an officer or non-commissioned officer. It looks like we are doing something similar. And the pros of them, according to the experience of Germany, turned out to be strong.
                  Especially with us, if a contractor who has served for 3 years has a higher education, it means a knowledge base on which you can get a classy specialist in the future.
          2. denart50
            denart50 11 October 2018 15: 06
            +3
            Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
            The reserve, only the quality of such a reserve is doubtful.


            Hmm ... you forgive me ... The percentage in terms of quality among graduates of higher military schools is not quite the same as we would like ...
            So that there are no questions: I am a cadre with a higher ... soldier
            1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
              KBaHT_BpeMeHu 11 October 2018 15: 29
              +2
              What about you
              HR, with higher
              the question does not arise, if a person in five years cannot master the program in the right way, then in 6 months, he certainly can?!?
              1. denart50
                denart50 11 October 2018 18: 54
                +2
                Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
                the question does not arise, if a person in five years cannot master the program in the right way, then in 6 months, he certainly can?!?


                It does not arise ... At one time, they gave us a lot of things in VVUZ ... including the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and so on ... The only four of all the fives on the "state" I had scientific communism ... And my spirit there was no need in further service the mass of knowledge gained in the alma mater ... THERE they instilled in me the ability to self-knowledge - and this, first of all, positively played in my whole life ...
                And I, Leitech, were taught a lot in practice by warrant officers ... I am not ashamed to talk about it ...
                But THESE guys, with a more or less broad horizons and understanding of the essentials, who have gone from a rank-and-file fighter to pasta, in the platoon-battalion link, are soooooooooooo priority ... They have experience and grasp (for many, at least) - iron ...

                And let's not get away from the essence of the article ... To be or not to be half-year lieutenants? Not forgetting their higher education and service experience - both urgent and contractual ... hi
                1. Moore
                  Moore 12 October 2018 06: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: denart50
                  It does not arise ... At one time, they gave us a lot of things in VVUZ ... including the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and so on ... The only four of all the fives on the "state" I had scientific communism ... And my spirit there was no need for further service the mass of knowledge gained in the alma mater ...

                  If you were taught the Newton’s three laws at school, but you have never used them, this does not mean that you only need to learn to write and count at school.
                  Your "alma mater" tried to broaden your horizons as best she could. Well, it didn't work out, it happens ...
        3. Law abiding citizen
          Law abiding citizen 11 October 2018 13: 04
          +9
          Quote: Alexey-74
          ... what is the need for this? Or lack of military schools?

          We ourselves have answered ... Maybe it’s a good thing and we’ll come out and we’ll see, because it’s not anyway they will pick up 3 years in the army, and even higher education leaves hope for the success of this project ... What to guess, let's see ...-
          after a certain time after being appointed to the post, unit commanders will present them with characteristics that indicate all the strengths and weaknesses of the platoons. hi
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 11 October 2018 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: Borik
        In the beginning, thousands of officers were fired for the training of which they spent 3-4 years, and now

        Do not spread the liberoid fake, tell me the whole command staff was destroyed ....! hi There are serious studies on this topic on various resources, there have been articles, including here, at VO.
      3. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 11 October 2018 14: 18
        +3
        Until now, the policy of Marshal Taburetkin hiccups! But other ensigns were lucky - with a higher education - without any courses they became lieutenants, I personally know three of them.
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 11 October 2018 15: 01
        +7
        Quote: Borik
        It all resembles the 41-42 year.

        All this was already in the 60s - 70s. Super conscripts were recruited and in half a year they were made from them ml. Lieutenants. In our school there were two companies.
      5. g1v2
        g1v2 11 October 2018 18: 25
        +6
        Colonels, generals and majors were dismissed, who were bred in due time into 3-4 armies, like ours. There were almost 100 thousand majors alone. Polkans per whole division. Both those and those were dismissed from 70 to 80 percent. And you need flying. By the way, when the colonels and majors were fired, they simultaneously recruited lieutenants.
        In principle, I am skeptical about flying for six months, but it is evident that they are running around the possibility of accelerated training in case of a big mess. In this case, HR personnel will be knocked out quickly in a serious number and they will need to be replenished, and there will obviously be no time for 4-5 years of training. request
        1. adma
          adma 11 October 2018 19: 44
          +2
          Quote: g1v2
          By the way, when the colonels and majors were fired, they simultaneously recruited lieutenants.

          I'm embarrassed to ask - "Where did they recruit? Lieutenants in meaning"
          1. Moore
            Moore 12 October 2018 06: 23
            +1
            Quote: adma

            I'm embarrassed to ask - "Where did they recruit? Lieutenants in meaning"

            Well, how from where? From the schools. For example, in 2010 they were recruited from the RVVDKU thanks to the "effective manager" and his henchmen, that they pushed graduates into soldier positions, because the positions where platoon officers usually go for promotion were for some reason recognized unnecessary. Then the appointment was canceled. And then here's the bad luck, there was nowhere to take the platoon officers.
      6. zloybond
        zloybond 11 October 2018 20: 26
        +2
        In 1995, they also offered me, because By that time I had a technical school to go through six months, get a lieutenant, and if I survive in Chechnya, then maybe I will rise to the rank of lieutenant. And then we need to study again ... In general, the war is again with us ???? Too urgent courses .... but there were a lot of our defense workers in general armor. They will be the ones who will probably command such lieutenants ????
      7. flicker
        flicker 11 October 2018 23: 00
        0
        It all resembles the 41-42 year. then there were also crash courses.
        Yeah, the same thought arose.
        It seems that the time has come to declare a general mobilization against the world SHABASH. At 45 we did not finish them, now there will be an opportunity to get even with their descendants for all their dirty tricks and meanness.
      8. not main
        not main 12 October 2018 00: 16
        +1
        Quote: Borik
        It all resembles the 41-42 year. then there were also crash courses.
        At the beginning, thousands of officers were fired for the training of which they spent 3-4 years, and now they want to make a full-fledged officer out of contract soldiers in six months.

        I don’t know what troops you served in, but it reminds me of the beginning of the 80s! When DOSAAF graduates came to AA, the rank of junior lieutenant and after graduation (about a year) received the rank of lieutenant and went to the troops. For reference, two AA colleges graduated about 750 lieutenants a year, and plus 200 (mamels) a year! And not enough! True, after 15 years, everything has changed, exactly the opposite! But in fact, out of these DOSAAFnikov there were a lot of (whom I personally know) real OFFICERS! And at the same time, vice versa ...
    2. himRa
      himRa 11 October 2018 13: 13
      +10
      Quote: Alexey-74
      True, as experts, they will be superficial.

      You are not quite right ...
      As specialists, they have already proven themselves by graduating from a university,
      But to deprive the chances of contract soldiers who gave themselves up to the Army is not right, because many of them can no longer study at military schools by age (25 years)
      And what does he shine !!!? Prapor maximum and corresponding position ...
      I say this not from scratch!
      My son and son-in-law are serving in the Army who returned from Syria with a medal for Valor,
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 October 2018 14: 09
      +5
      Quote: Alexey-74
      True, as experts, they will be superficial.

      Is not a fact. If a person is a contract soldier, then he "grew up" in the army. That is, as a platoon, it will be of more use to him than from Letekha, who received many years of education, but does not know all the "soldier" realities.
      In addition, in some armies of the world, a sergeant (unit commander) conscript who can meet certain criteria may go to officer courses. A person with a specialized tower, who has gained experience in the field of army communications, as a junior officer will be indispensable.
      1. chenia
        chenia 11 October 2018 17: 55
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Is not a fact. If a person is a contract soldier, then he "grew up" in the army. That is, as a platoon, it will be of more use to him than from Letekha, who received many years of education, but does not know all the "soldier" realities.


        The soldier’s reality is strongly said. Letekha was in the men's team for 4 years (those who could not stand it left somewhere around 25%, and 5 people who were highly motivated in the competition for entering the university are in my time, the beginning of the 70s). In combat training and load, it is an order of magnitude higher than any contractor (he can only temporarily yield to skills in a specific system). I studied about 20 systems at VU. shot from 10) and
        on live firing (for 4 years -8 times) the cost of shells is an order of magnitude greater than in the troops.
        And the realities in the troops are a fragmented team, here the principle is one for all and all for one somehow doesn’t work very well (different calls), narrow specialization (even for sergeants, here the commander needs to explain for a long time if the task is beyond the training program level )

        In short, Letech ultimately forms a unit for its relish.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 11 October 2018 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: chenia
          ultimately, and forms a division for its relish.

          It also happens the other way around, when the unit assimilates the letohu, forming or deforming one. I judge by our part, and even specifically by my company, where both options took place (50 to 50). The fact that it was twenty years ago does not matter, because here "eternal" factors come to the fore. In short, it all depends on a specific person and a specific unit. Something like this.
      2. PVOSV
        PVOSV 11 October 2018 22: 33
        -1
        Everything has already been invented before us, each position has a number of special and official duties, i.e. that the candidate for the position of platoon commander must know and be able to.
        Take sheet A4, write a sergeant on the left, and a lieutenant on the right.
        And we put a minus or plus: knowledge of the governing documents, tactical training, special, technical, etc., practical skills ... Knowledge and skills are one step higher than their position ...
        I believe a three-year-old calf, oh contractor))) will succumb to the newly minted lieutenant, even a strong middle-aged troechnik, not to mention the excellent military and political
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 October 2018 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: PVOSV
          Everything has already been invented before us, each position has a number of special and official duties, i.e. that the candidate for the position of platoon commander must know and be able to.
          Take sheet A4, write a sergeant on the left, and a lieutenant on the right.
          And we put a minus or plus: knowledge of the governing documents, tactical training, special, technical, etc., practical skills ... Knowledge and skills are one step higher than their position ...
          I believe a three-year-old calf, oh contractor))) will succumb to the newly minted lieutenant, even a strong middle-aged troechnik, not to mention the excellent military and political

          Knowing the guiding documents is not a problem to learn. Tactical training - why courses? Moreover, the contractor knows her basics, and if he, in contrast to the newly-made summer, also snuffed gunpowder ...
          Special-technical - what has the contractor been doing for three years? And again - courses. Practical skills - the contractor usually has them laughing Do you have knowledge and skills one step above your position? The lieutenant graduate naturally has more. Of knowledge. Theoretical. And company skills. Surely. As a platoon, they will be very useful to him. Where was the contractor who had been pulling the strap for three years before, and all his knowledge was purely practical? )) And courses kvzvzvoda this will not fix ..
          Excellent combat is cool. As an adherent of Shotokan-karate, who has a third Dan against the Thai - the five-year plan. The result is predictable, isn't it? )) And the kata performs filigree, and the top will make high laughing And about fifteen seconds he jumps on a Thai. Until the first blow of the lowkick and the counter in the jaw ..
          1. PVOSV
            PVOSV 11 October 2018 23: 01
            0
            He sniffed footcloths)))
            He served as sergeants and with graduates of the courses of junior officers and with jackets.
            You can teach a bear to ride a bicycle, a moped, and you can probably play chess, too, but not for six months or three years.
            Tactical training is also being studied using secret controllers, where does the contra have access to it? Guiding docks on the organization and maintenance of the database for example learned the contras?
            Technical, special training, for example, in air defense is also being studied at the Higher School of Higher Education on chipboard and SS literature, who will give them a pontrass?)))
            All this regular emergency activity is aimed at plugging personnel holes, nobody cares about the quality of the material, they will spawn wooden Urfindjus soldiers and calm down when the percentage of staffing in reports increases.
            Swam know
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 12 October 2018 07: 12
              +1
              This, as I understand it, is about infantry and some units of communications. Air defense, other high-tech is a separate song, although in the IDF's air defense, conscripts also enter the officers. But they, in addition to the officers' course, have their own specialized course - air defense officers, which takes place in the training of the military branch.
              1. PVOSV
                PVOSV 12 October 2018 09: 58
                0
                Well, yes, and the shortage of personnel in the air defense / strategic missile forces / air force, etc. replenishment is not necessary means only infantry ???

                Yes, in the same infantry, the platoon commander must know and be able to learn a lot of things that it would be impossible for a simple contractor to acquire knowledge in the volume of a graduate of the school in three years, for a number of reasons: he doesn’t have access to state secrets, no commander will teach a contractor beyond BP program framework: locksmith-locksmith, Caesar-Caesarean)))

                what's in the IDF is not interesting. they have different needs in the qualitative and quantitative composition of the officer corps.

                so this is another profanity to hide previously committed gross errors in personnel policy.
          2. chenia
            chenia 12 October 2018 09: 42
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Of knowledge. Theoretical. And company skills. Surely.


            What the fuck theoretical. I have already said that an order of magnitude higher PSU in WU than in the linear part. One cadet in the role of unit commander, the rest in positions. and during the classes they were constantly changing.

            I know where such ideas about a military university come from. At the forum, most graduated from a civilian university with a military department. And they imagine that the methodology and level of their training is comparable with the university.
            No guys.
            I remember at 78 I was standing in the park and watching the graduating students (M-8) fussing around the gun (M-30) (they had already defended themselves, they had to go through military training for 2 months) and get a diploma and lieutenant epaulettes.
            I ask, what do you want?
            -Need to roll the gun
            -Well? Raised the frame, one hose per barrel, one per wheel and forward.
            -Do not lift the beds !!!
            -What? The sergeant is to me (my sergeant was standing nearby).
            Together we raise.
            This is what I, graduates, had been a military soldier for 3-4 years, and as I understand it, they brought them into a fighting situation by dragging a gun for the rules and scraping openers on asphalt. And never connected to the tractor.

            Here is your idea of ​​a military university.
            Firing in WU. All positions among cadets are painted (regardless of ranks and positions in real service)) up to the division commander (at one stage of the exercises you can be in this position, at the next with a simple gun number) and the teachers stand watching and correcting with explanations (well, this after completing a task). And shoot from the PDO up to 80% of the cadets (a division of up to 300 people). You’ll never shoot like that in the troops (well, unless the GRAU experiment or the fighting already).

            Course officers (unit commanders) are not involved in training (except for drill, charters, and sometimes physical training).
            Permanent field exercises with a visit to the training center, with working out all the documents. Practical training (what the platoon commander conducts in the troops) was conducted by lieutenant colonels, less often majors and very rarely captains, and strictly according to their specialty (Combat service, OMS, ART reconnaissance and military topography, communications, OMPZ, military units).

            Feel the difference.
    4. Runoway
      Runoway 11 October 2018 14: 16
      -5
      Well, do not tell)))))
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 11 October 2018 14: 57
        -2
        Someone's daughter.
      2. denart50
        denart50 11 October 2018 15: 10
        +3
        Quote: Runoway
        Well, do not tell)))))



        Well ... We agreed ... Isn’t it mean to compare Yuri Gagarin and this lady?
        And if on the topic of the article - then, in general, out of place ...
        On cooperation and public relations - this is in other topics ...
      3. Borik
        Borik 11 October 2018 15: 14
        +7
        Quote: Runoway
        Well, do not tell)))))

        And she is neither a general. Maria Kitaeva, Advisor to Shoigu, Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation of the 2 class. Absolutely civilian rank assigned to her by presidential decree.
        1. Serge Gorely
          Serge Gorely 11 October 2018 15: 57
          0
          But I wonder if an officer of the Ministry of Defense meets a "white-runner", should he give him a greeting? I, fortunately, did not find these "generals" during my service.
        2. Forestol
          Forestol 11 October 2018 20: 16
          -1
          so what kind of clothes does she wear in a military uniform, but not according to the Charter, without a headdress? discrediting of generals.
        3. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 October 2018 20: 56
          +2
          And she is neither a general. Maria Kitaeva, Advisor to Shoigu, Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation of the 2 class. Absolutely civilian rank assigned to her by presidential decree.

          Civil ranks correlate with the military. Accordingly, there are certain benefits. Quite her title may correspond to the general.
    5. volot-voin
      volot-voin 11 October 2018 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      True, as experts, they will be superficial.

      Quickly and qualitatively will not work. If only almost ready shots, ensign, sergeants will not be trained. Of course, it depends on the type of troops where real technical specialists are needed. This number will not work.
    6. Fox
      Fox 11 October 2018 16: 52
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      0
      True, as experts, they will be superficial.

      yes how to say ... if he is sitting in the radar control cabin, he will give odds to his boots. (if not a vegetable, of course). at least that was in the late 80s ...
    7. cost
      cost 12 October 2018 10: 29
      0
      Interestingly, will the young lieutenants continue their service in their units that sent them to training?
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 11 October 2018 12: 54
    +1
    I remember this was only during the Second World War ... Stalin's sets of crash courses.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 11 October 2018 12: 59
      +1
      There was no such thing during the Second World War .... People who served three years under a contract with a higher. Have you read the article?
      1. denart50
        denart50 11 October 2018 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        There was no such thing during the Second World War .... People who served three years under a contract with a higher. Have you read the article?


        Dmitry... hi You did not pay attention to the word I remember "... laughing hi
        Strashila (I) Today, 12:54
        0
        I remember this was only during the Second World War ..
  3. Altona
    Altona 11 October 2018 12: 55
    -1
    As a measure to combat unemployment, it’s quite okay.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 11 October 2018 13: 00
      +4
      Not a measure. Unemployment among contractors? Motivated and with some experience?
      1. Altona
        Altona 11 October 2018 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Not a measure. Unemployment among contractors?

        --------------------
        A man served in an ordinary position, then the contract ended, received a higher civic education, did not find himself in civilian life. Such a life path is not allowed?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 11 October 2018 13: 22
          +2
          The contract did not extend .. It means that he didn’t find himself in the military field .. Everything happens in life. However, I note, we ourselves are blacksmiths of our own happiness or misfortune .. hi
          1. Altona
            Altona 11 October 2018 13: 24
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            The contract did not extend .. So, I didn’t find myself in the military field ..

            -------------------------
            The military field is different, and higher education provides additional opportunities.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 October 2018 13: 24
          +5
          Quote: Altona
          A man served in an ordinary position, then the contract ended, received a higher civic education, did not find himself in civilian life

          Altona, can you read well?

          Contract workers who have served at least 3 years and have a higher civic education can become cadets

          Person at the time of enrollment in students:
          - already serves on a contract, with at least 3 years of experience
          - already has a civilian "tower"

          What side is your

          Quote: Altona
          ... then the contract ended, received a higher civic education, did not find himself in a civilian ...

          Please rave? This is from overwork yes
          1. Altona
            Altona 11 October 2018 13: 28
            -5
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Person at the time of enrollment in students:
            - already serves on a contract, with at least 3 years of experience
            - already has a civilian "tower"

            ---------------------------
            In any case, a person will take an officer’s place where a competent specialist is needed and vacate the rank of private. Are you all right with math? I see that not very. So you are more likely to rave.
            1. LMN
              LMN 11 October 2018 14: 07
              +3
              Quote: Altona
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Person at the time of enrollment in students:
              - already serves on a contract, with at least 3 years of experience
              - already has a civilian "tower"

              ---------------------------
              In any case, a person will take an officer’s place where a competent specialist is needed and vacate the rank of private. Are you all right with math? I see that not very. So you are more likely to rave.

              In any case, a person will take an officer’s place

              Of course! After completing the courses, a person will take his officer’s place!
              But what else should be? what
          2. himRa
            himRa 11 October 2018 13: 31
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Altona, can you read well?

            To read!!!? We are able ... only the meaning of what we read is not always understood !! laughing
            1. Altona
              Altona 11 October 2018 13: 49
              -2
              Quote: himRa
              To read!!!? We are able ... only the meaning of what we read is not always understood !!

              -------------------------
              A person with education will vacate the rank of private, a person without education will come there. Or is it swept away?
              1. himRa
                himRa 11 October 2018 13: 56
                +3
                Quote: Altona
                A person with education will vacate the rank of private, a person without education will come there. Or is it swept away?

                How do you not understand that !?
                without military education contractor who gave himself armies does not shine even if he has a civilian university (without a military department) !!!! But he decided, for example, by the age of 26-27 he found himself taxing! In the military, he already won't do by age!
                1. LMN
                  LMN 11 October 2018 14: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: himRa
                  Quote: Altona
                  A person with education will vacate the rank of private, a person without education will come there. Or is it swept away?

                  How do you not understand that !?
                  without military education contractor who gave himself armies does not shine even if he has a civilian university (without a military department) !!!! But he decided, for example, by the age of 26-27 he found himself taxing! In the military, he already won't do by age!

                  Do you think this is important to him?))
                  1. himRa
                    himRa 11 October 2018 14: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: LMN
                    Do you think this is important to him?))

                    I think that yes .... ,, the soldier who does not dream of being a general is bad ,,
                    good
                    1. LMN
                      LMN 11 October 2018 14: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: himRa
                      Quote: LMN
                      Do you think this is important to him?))

                      I think that yes .... ,, the soldier who does not dream of being a general is bad ,,
                      good

                      Well ... if he's still in business winked
                      drinks
                2. Altona
                  Altona 11 October 2018 14: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: himRa
                  How do you not understand that !?

                  ------------------------
                  I speak as a measure to combat unemployment. Did you read my first post? Or digging into the next to show your cleverness? An unoccupied officer's place will be taken by a "completed" contract soldier with a higher education, his place as a private will be taken by another person. EVERYTHING! How else to explain that? Or how is Golovan Jack? With small-town thinking? I do not discuss necessity, uselessness, career growth and other things, only the availability of a job.
                  1. himRa
                    himRa 11 October 2018 14: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    I speak as a measure of the fight against unemployment. You read my first post? Or are you digging into the next ones to show your intelligence?

                    Of course I read your version of what, say, this news is possibly a fight against unemployment .... but I ignored it and if I hadn’t done this you would have received more caustic comments ... wassat laughing
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 11 October 2018 14: 50
                      -2
                      Quote: himRa
                      but I ignored it and if I hadn’t done it, you would have received more caustic comments ...

                      ---------------------------
                      It is clear, your "caustic" comments, this is common flooding ...
                  2. LMN
                    LMN 11 October 2018 15: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    Quote: himRa
                    How do you not understand that !?

                    ------------------------
                    I speak as a measure to combat unemployment. Did you read my first post? Or digging into the next to show your cleverness? An unoccupied officer's place will be taken by a "completed" contract soldier with a higher education, his place as a private will be taken by another person. EVERYTHING! How else to explain that? Or how is Golovan Jack? With small-town thinking? I do not discuss necessity, uselessness, career growth and other things, only the availability of a job.

                    An unoccupied officer's place will be taken by a "completed" contract soldier with higher education, his place as a private will be taken by another person

                    Well, this is happening all over the world. request
                    Someone is learning, goes up the career ladder .. evolution, career growth. What did you see in this abnormal?

                    PS.So that he did not study in school, and later in high school?
                3. denart50
                  denart50 11 October 2018 15: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: himRa
                  How do you not understand that !?
                  without a military education, the contractor who has given himself the army does not shine even if he has a civilian university (without a military department) !!!! But he decided, for example, by the age of 26-27 he found himself taxing! He will no longer enter the military by age!



                  Raheem! I would not want to get involved in an empty argument, however, I’m asking you to answer a counter question: How do you feel about military doctors, 80% (at least) who have graduated from civilian universities?
                  Signalman .. Financier ... but you can still find a lot of things ... hi
                  1. himRa
                    himRa 11 October 2018 15: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: denart50
                    And how do you feel about military doctors, 80% (at least) who graduated from civilian universities?
                    Signalman .. Financier ... but you can still find a lot of things ...

                    Yes, this, in principle, can’t be! Which doctor is he if he learned to subtract and share in Osnoyan !!!?
                    Only cut, or cut. wassat
                    No one will put him not in a ,, citizen, ”not in the Moscow Region for the position of a doctor, what can I say even an orderly !!! if there is no medical university or college.
                    I hope this absurdity does not reach !!! hi
                    1. denart50
                      denart50 11 October 2018 19: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: himRa
                      No one will put him not in a ,, citizen, ”not in the Moscow Region for the position of a doctor, what can I say even an orderly !!! if there is no medical university or college.
                      I hope this absurdity does not reach !!!


                      Um ... We probably did not understand each other ...
                      In my time, there were already a lot of regimental doctors from either Saratov or Kuibyshev (Samara) honey ... True, from the military department ... Well, they served as major (regimental chief) or lieutenant colonel (division chief) ...
                      The problem was the discrepancy between the length of service and age when retiring ... By age - you need to dismiss, and by length of service - he still does not have seniority for retirement, since studying in honey was not counted ... hi

                      PS And as for the treatment - you are right ... TablEtka No. 1 and TablEtka No. 2 ... A little more difficult - so it's in the infirmary of the division ... lol
  4. Vard
    Vard 11 October 2018 12: 57
    +4
    By the way, it should turn out well ... if in truth, the contract soldiers with three years of experience and a tower will go to the set ... Anything is better than after institutes ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 11 October 2018 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      By the way, it should turn out well ... if in truth, contract soldiers will go to the set

      Maybe out of place, but I remembered Private Vasyutin from "Taiga Romance"
      - Get used to fighting everyday life, insects ...
      [media = http: //ok.ru/video/195263138471]
  5. Mihail28
    Mihail28 11 October 2018 12: 58
    +3
    Type, like during the war. But then, to make up for colossal losses as a necessary measure.
    But right now ... or am I missing something?
    1. tasha
      tasha 11 October 2018 13: 12
      +5
      Mikhail, you must admit that a graduate of a military school in 21 and a contractor with higher education, who served an urgent, then another three years contract, received, for example, the rank of sergeant and after the course became an officer - a little different. This path was in the Wehrmacht, but candidates for officers were taken into account by the rank and file, after which they were constantly trained.
      Just do not understand, but there are still such? After a civilian university and a three year contract? wink
      1. Mihail28
        Mihail28 11 October 2018 14: 28
        0
        And it reminded me more of the system of training platoon commanders in the schools of ensigns of the Soviet Army. Only now, instead of a school of warrant officers, short-term officer training courses, commensurate in terms of training time, and graduates are awarded officer ranks. "I am tormented by vague doubts" that their training programs are also about the same level (only this is not a statement of fact, this is my assumption).
        It seems like under Serdyukov the task was set to eliminate the system of ensigns. Maybe these are the consequences of the realization of that task: they do not train warrant officers, and do not find officers for the positions of commanders of such platoons in which there is no prospect of career (in the sense of service) growth?
    2. himRa
      himRa 11 October 2018 13: 38
      0
      Quote: Michael28
      Like during the war

      Not so ... and completely different conditions!
      I understand the situation this way: to give a chance to contract children with a civil university and experience of service ... we consider 2 or 1 years of urgent + 3 years of contract + characteristics from the part in which he served and there you will always see people. SERVICE or ,, temporary worker ,,
      1. tasha
        tasha 11 October 2018 13: 44
        0
        It’s not at all understandable ... I graduated from 21 civil university. A year of urgency, three of a contract. If not stupid - then to 25 - already an ensign ..
        1. himRa
          himRa 11 October 2018 13: 49
          0
          Quote: tasha
          If not stupid - then by 25 - already an ensign

          And that’s all !! ?? потолок
          And he still has a lot of time to show his talents ... many people are not so ,, early ,,
          1. tasha
            tasha 11 October 2018 14: 03
            +1
            And that’s all !! ?? ceiling

            You think? I'm not sure, but a warrant officer with a higher education is something unusual, I guess. Maybe of the current employees who share, they know these?
            1. denart50
              denart50 11 October 2018 15: 30
              +1
              Quote: tasha
              You think? I'm not sure, but a warrant officer with a higher education is something unusual, I guess. Maybe of the current employees who share, they know these?


              I knew such people in the 80s of the last century ... As a rule, they are normal people and normal specialists ...
          2. denart50
            denart50 11 October 2018 15: 29
            +2
            Quote: himRa
            Quote: tasha
            If not stupid - then by 25 - already an ensign

            And that’s all !! ?? ceiling
            And he still has a lot of time to show his talents ... many people are not so ,, early ,,



            Hmm ... I at one time with difficulty managed to get my warrant officer to put in the position of a forklift art. lieutenant captain ...
            The lieutenants come and go, no experience, no skills ... Just learned - took away for promotion, but not from me, but - somewhere ...
            So I will say that this ensign was worth a lot of lieutenants ... And he had a civil secondary technical education (technical school) ... Thinking, he would agree to become an old lieutenant ... And an increase in money for home-family, and for me - one of the niches is reliably covered ...
            1. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2018 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: denart50
              Thinking, he would have agreed to become an old lieutenant.

              I have nothing against it. Moreover, a person with your help has a chance at a career ...
              For example, the current 26-28 year old sergeants should have the same chance, who have a civilian university and have already served in the Army for 4 years and want to stay ... I’m talking about this hi
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 October 2018 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          He graduated from 21 civilian universities

          Is this a new fashion - to graduate from a university in three years?
          1. tasha
            tasha 11 October 2018 14: 00
            0
            And when is it finished? I’m just from personal experience ..
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 October 2018 14: 07
              -1
              Quote: tasha
              I’m just from personal experience ..

              Ahem ... from the child prodigies, so (c) I don’t remember where.

              Quote: tasha
              And when is it finished?

              I was 24 at the end. True, we had 5,5 years of study. It has long been, yes.
              1. tasha
                tasha 11 October 2018 14: 37
                0
                Ahem ... from the geeks, then

                It accidentally happened. Remember "Philippok"?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 October 2018 14: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: tasha
                  tasha

                  In, remembered where laughing

                  ... My dad said the same thing. Incidentally, an outstanding professor of paleobotany. “Of the geeks, then.” - And by the way, I did not come to the philharmonic to engage, but to fight ...


      2. Mihail28
        Mihail28 11 October 2018 15: 12
        +2
        Let's talk about other conditions. And about the chances.
        Let's start with arithmetic.
        A person graduates from school - 18 years old.
        Further Institute (University) - 5 years. already 23 years old.
        Conscription in the army for 1 year. - 24 years.
        Signs the first contract for 3 years. At the end of the contract, he is sent to these courses and by the end of the contract he completes his studies. At the exit at the age of 27, the lieutenant, the platoon commander, did not understand what kind of military education. By retirement it will grow to a company - this is its limit. To rise above, you need to get an academic military education, for this you need to have time to go to the battalion level, at least the deputy commander of the battalion. And his age props up to what age can one enter the academy?
        Now, after solving the arithmetic problem, we return to the question of chances. And what are these chances? The lieutenant is 27 years old with courses instead of a full-fledged military education.
        I do not see a system for training army officers. Here the interest of those universities that do not train officers looms more, such as graduates of these universities also have a "crooked path" for obtaining an officer's rank. Who needs this title not for a military career, but for recording in a questionnaire, for example, for civil servants.
        Or for "scientific companies" to agitate such scientists for military service on a contract basis after being drafted.
        1. Mihail28
          Mihail28 11 October 2018 15: 36
          +1
          Again, the administrators began to delete the comment, and not prove the fallacy in the discussion. So in my reasoning I found the very rational one, which on the one hand is not pleasant to someone, but on the other it is impossible to refute.
        2. Mihail28
          Mihail28 11 October 2018 15: 51
          0
          I will try to restore what is deleted on behalf of the Administrator.
        3. himRa
          himRa 11 October 2018 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: Michael28
          I do not see a system for training army officers. Here the interest of those universities that do not train officers looms more, such as graduates of these universities also have a "crooked path" for obtaining an officer's rank. Who needs this title not for a military career, but for recording in a questionnaire, for example, for civil servants.
          Or for "scientific companies" to agitate such scientists for military service on a contract basis after being drafted.

          Even according to your calculations, during the hostilities, the komzvod already has a chance for the regiment commander, if he also graduates from the academy ... I don’t presume to predict .. the man is different, the Second World War is not a bad argument ..
          In uv. hi
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  7. tasha
    tasha 11 October 2018 13: 03
    +1
    The idea is interesting. Those. the lieutenant, platoon commander, will go all the way .. The Germans had something similar.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 11 October 2018 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: tasha
      The idea is interesting. Those. lieutenant, platoon commander will go all the way .. The Germans had something similar.

      in Israel, a combat officer begins his service with a private lie. think so right. officer dolw know and understand the life of a soldier
      1. tasha
        tasha 11 October 2018 13: 18
        +2
        I just don’t understand, there is still a higher civic education .. Oops .. One of my relatives went to the district police officers after the law, got a lieutenant. But he could not stand it, work on earth is not for everyone, and he went to serve an urgent, ordinary ..
        Slowly, something is wrong here .. In the USA, technical specialists are warrants. And here we have warrant officers and lieutenants .. It’s somehow wrong.
        1. Altona
          Altona 11 October 2018 13: 33
          +2
          Quote: tasha
          In the US, technical experts are warrents. And here we have warrant officers and lieutenants .. It’s somehow wrong.

          ---------------------------
          In air defense and communications, it is full of posts where it is necessary to screw very tightly in the technical part and carry out combat duty.
          1. tasha
            tasha 11 October 2018 13: 38
            0
            I just don’t understand the point of getting higher education in any specialty and then go on contract ... Unless there are lawyers or managers. wink . But if the engineer is either an engineer or a bad engineer or something is wrong in the state ... Moreover, there were military departments in serious technical universities, I don’t know about now.
            1. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2018 14: 18
              0
              Quote: tasha
              I just don’t understand the point of getting higher education in any specialty and then go on contract ...

              For example, at the insistence of the parents, and when they called for urgent, I realized that it was him and .. concluded a contract!
              1. tasha
                tasha 11 October 2018 14: 19
                0
                Please see my comments below. I do not want to duplicate.
            2. denart50
              denart50 11 October 2018 15: 34
              0
              Quote: tasha
              0
              I just don’t understand the point of getting higher education in any specialty and then go on contract ... Unless there are lawyers or managers. . But if the engineer is either an engineer is bad or something is wrong in the state...



              Ahem ... Rather, the second ...
              The Polytechnic in Tula has long been turned into an appendix of TulSU ... No one needs engineers now ...
        2. Mihail28
          Mihail28 11 October 2018 20: 13
          0
          Just ensigns and are like Warrents. In the military hierarchy, they occupy a position between sergeants and junior officers. But the analogue is not complete, there are differences.
          And right or wrong, try to clarify what you see as some kind of incorrectness.
      2. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 11 October 2018 13: 19
        -2
        You understand from the heart in a military school) they have now softened it, they allowed my family to live after 3 courses in my house, so you are the same soldier for 5 years) go to outfits, guards. You go to landfills, clean and throw. At the same time, getting higher education already in two specialties in my case))))
      3. Forestol
        Forestol 11 October 2018 20: 19
        0
        Officer positions are different. Having served as a motorized rifle, it’s hard to rely on Mozhaika, the wrong profile.
      4. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 11 October 2018 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        Quote: tasha
        The idea is interesting. Those. lieutenant, platoon commander will go all the way .. The Germans had something similar.

        in Israel, a combat officer begins his service with a private lie. think so right. officer dolw know and understand the life of a soldier

        With the battalion is obliged to do BA, tower, and then receive a relevant army education.
  8. LMN
    LMN 11 October 2018 13: 10
    0
    Recruitment is conducted as an experiment.

    The age of the candidate must not exceed 35 years.

    Without options lol
    And for those who fall, I would advise winked
    1. LMN
      LMN 11 October 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: LMN
      Recruitment is conducted as an experiment.

      The age of the candidate must not exceed 35 years.

      Without options lol
      And for those who fall, I would advise winked


      Cons did not understand, to be honest request
      I would have tried it myself, but the "parameters" are "relative".
      I would love to get lost for the title of "officer" !!! yes
      1. himRa
        himRa 11 October 2018 14: 23
        0
        Quote: LMN
        Cons did not understand, to be honest

        You didn’t clearly express your thought, and maybe one of the well-wishers waved the saber without delving laughing
        My, plus, to you
        1. LMN
          LMN 11 October 2018 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: himRa
          Quote: LMN
          Cons did not understand, to be honest

          You didn’t clearly express your thought, and maybe one of the well-wishers waved the saber without delving laughing
          My, plus, to you

          You have not clearly expressed your thought

          but as always repeat

          and maybe one of the well-wishers, without delving, waved his saber

          ..have already. They wave their sabers here lol
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 October 2018 13: 12
    +1
    The title of the article is somewhat provocative, and so everything is fine. And no 41-42 years. A person with a higher education, who has served under the contract for three years, and who has a penchant for service from lieutenant epaulets will not fall apart. And the service will be completely able to manage. winked
  10. mastervojaka
    mastervojaka 11 October 2018 13: 16
    0
    The courses will be the most scarce specialties in the ground forces, such as platoon and communications commanders.
    Are there platoon communications in the troops?
    And really, we are spending the budget on preparing specialists for nowhere. You need to prepare a real officer for four years at a university, and then a year in the army.
    What is going on in Russia?
    1. tasha
      tasha 11 October 2018 13: 21
      +3
      You need to prepare a real officer for four years at a university

      Not sure. A real officer must go from a private. As, for example, earlier in factories, people who started as workers, who received higher education in absentia and who became engineers and shop directors aroused great respect.
  11. Forestol
    Forestol 11 October 2018 13: 28
    +5
    Guys, calm down. Under Serdyukov, if I am not mistaken, THREE years there were no admissions to military schools. Just two years from the summer to the starle, and the summer is gone .... Let me remind you, there was an internship practice for ensigns, they passed exams and lieutenants, I had such a captain in command, 10 years older than me. No worse than usual, and even better. I am gnawed by bad premonitions, is it really Serdyukov, for "all the good" will die in the wild? Where is the truth? where is the prosecutor?
  12. Conductor
    Conductor 11 October 2018 13: 31
    +1
    But what kind of growth prospects does such a lieutenant have?
    1. Mihail28
      Mihail28 11 October 2018 19: 39
      0
      Before retiring to get the captain's shoulder straps, if you're lucky.
  13. Comrade Beria
    Comrade Beria 11 October 2018 13: 53
    0
    In the CA one time (1970-1980), something like that was practiced — after the term (or six months before its end (if memory serves)), you can submit a report and enroll in junior lieutenant courses. Higher education was not required, only secondary. Later it was possible to undergo retraining at a specialized university, or receive higher education at a university.
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 11 October 2018 15: 08
      0
      This happened during the Caribbean crisis, when it turned out that after the next reduction, there are not enough junior officers. My father became a lieutenant like that, after an overdue and courses.
    2. denart50
      denart50 11 October 2018 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Beria
      0
      In the CA one time (1970-1980), something like that was practiced — after the term (or six months before its end (if memory serves)), you can submit a report and enroll in junior lieutenant courses. Higher education was not required, only secondary. Later it was possible to undergo retraining at a specialized university, or receive higher education at a university.



      We, personnel, called them "machine gunners" (from "machine gun courses") ...
      However, many of them in the practical life of the platoon-company-battalion link could give odds to any graduate of the VVU ...
  14. midshipman
    midshipman 11 October 2018 14: 04
    +5
    Personally, I approve of this approach. He worked all his life, including with the military as a high command and with the officers who had just graduated from the academy. On behalf of the Government, I had to give lectures on new V&VTS in Academies. I myself was awarded the rank of lieutenant technician at 19, after graduating from a secondary technical school in 1957.
    Now it is difficult for young people with higher education to find a good job. And service in the Army will allow them, in addition to strengthening the country's defense capabilities, to provide for their family (financially, housing, raising children, normal leave). Good luck to you guys!
    1. tasha
      tasha 11 October 2018 14: 16
      +3
      Now it is difficult for young people with higher education to find a good job.

      Dear Yuri Grigoryevich, what is good about this? There are two options: either a higher education is such that nobody needs it (economists, lawyers, managers), or nobody needs specialists with a higher education (engineers) ...
  15. digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 11 October 2018 14: 04
    -2
    The state grows muscles, however, to the detriment of gray cells.
  16. tasha
    tasha 11 October 2018 14: 11
    +1
    After all, the news is not very good, as I thought. Is there really so many people in the army under the contract who have the HIGHEST SPECIAL education (free?), Who could not find a job in the profession in civilian life and joined the army, that they need to organize special courses and make them officers ...
    I recalled here. In the 80 years, the biggest competition in our regional pedagogical university was at the Faculty of History .. And then either to the Komsomol members or to the police ..
  17. RoTTor
    RoTTor 11 October 2018 14: 12
    +2
    University graduates will again be the losers.
    No service benefits and minus all the joys of student life
    Which of the Higher School of Higher Education is itself trampled upon?
    And this has already happened: with 2-vipers they rushed about, as with a written sack, for six months they "entered" the service, for six months they trained at the DMB gmumu. But good jobs and positions were offered to them. Personnel - and so will not go anywhere!

    They subjugated the whole system of military education, so they twitch, like a louse in a pan ...
  18. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 11 October 2018 14: 20
    +4
    The correct and timely decision. I remember the times when the most trained warrant officers took exanes externally at universities of secondary vocational education and they were awarded the title ml. lieutenants. Responsibly confirm that operating organizations received very decent and necessary specialists. New, often well forgotten old.
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 11 October 2018 14: 24
    0
    Quote: My_Log_In
    just here and now they decided not to wait for the "thunder to break out" and in advance, perhaps even before the "flash of lightning", prepare junior command personnel, incl. and officer, for deploying units. Or planned for deployment, if you like it more. I think so.

    Your words and in the ears you know who - where will "they" take the money for this "deployment" ?! Such measures are not introduced because of a good life - there were SVUs in the USSR, but over time they were abandoned due to the low professional quality of graduates. yes sad
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 11 October 2018 14: 31
    -1
    Quote: RoTTor
    University graduates will again be the losers.
    No service benefits and minus all the joys of student life
    Which of the Higher School of Higher Education is itself trampled upon?
    And this has already happened: with 2-vipers they rushed about, as with a written sack, for six months they "entered" the service, for six months they trained at the DMB gmumu. But good jobs and positions were offered to them. Personnel - and so will not go anywhere!

    They subjugated the whole system of military education, so they twitch, like a louse in a pan ...

    yes yes yes hi
  21. vladcub
    vladcub 11 October 2018 14: 56
    +1
    Quote: Alexey-74
    True, as experts, they will be superficial.

    How to say: if a guy in civilian life has "screwed" in electronics, but in the army he will be able to "counter-bass".
    I now remembered the Soviet comedy: "Keys to the Sky", Linkov played a guy who mounted a radio in a soap dish and ended up in the missile troops
  22. denart50
    denart50 11 October 2018 15: 00
    +3
    "Similar in their task courses, issuing junior lieutenants, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation existed from 2003 to 2009."...

    Hmm ... And in Soviet times there were various courses, even externally passing for secondary VU ...
    Again - nothing new, but pretending to be a modern innovation ...
    Now, when I write, I see below the comment Alexey-74 "0
    True, as specialists they will be superficial. "...
    Once again, "Hmmmm" ... It depends where and in what positions ... In reality, at the level of not only a platoon-company, but also up to a battalion inclusive, such graduates in practice were highly effective, unlike officers with higher education, personnel ...
    And the fact that it is more profitable for a warrant officer in terms of money to be a lieutenant-captain, even up to gray brows, is a clear stump ...
    There will be people at VO who will confirm that in Soviet times there were a lot of captains, gray-haired, retired - especially in aviation, technicians ... And in the Strategic Missile Forces - if anyone remembers - gray-haired captains left for the RSD (before the arrival of the Pioneers) ...
    So, in some ways, this thing is useful ... Especially in lightning ahead...
    1. himRa
      himRa 11 October 2018 16: 07
      +1
      Quote: denart50
      So, in some ways, this thing is useful ... Especially in the stormy threshold.

      I'm glad that we finally agreed!
      1. denart50
        denart50 11 October 2018 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: himRa
        I'm glad that we finally agreed!


        Yes, we didn’t seem to disagree ... hi drinks
  23. Tavrik
    Tavrik 11 October 2018 15: 13
    +2
    I saw several conscripts with higher technical education. Smart guys, technically competent. None stayed for the contract. The reasons are approximately the following: "Oh, nafik this madhouse."
  24. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 11 October 2018 15: 36
    +1
    Shots. Before Chechnya, such people were prepared. To be honest from practice, sometimes non-personnel officers gave odds to personnel. I remember the young officers who left without enduring, “difficulties and deprivations of military service” and “senior officers” who served as big stars who knew nothing and went “only the same ones who came”. And on the contrary, it’s not the personnel officers who commanded the company, in which the soldiers respected him. But then again, everything is according to the situation. If staff shortage, then it’s understandable. But it’s not clear, did military universities have trained specialists a little ?!
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 11 October 2018 18: 23
      +2
      Maybe not a little, but there is our national tradition of plugging various holes with officers. We have already recalled the Wehrmacht, and I will remember an example from the Kriegsmarine. Where the sergeant major (navigator of the submarine) inquired with the Germans, we had an officer, or even two. Where now in the Western armies the official category is ensign according to ours (warrant, petty, etc.), we have an officer. We just have a "warrant officer" and a "senior warrant officer". There is nowhere to grow in rank or position, and they have a bunch of varieties of "ensigns". This is neither bad nor good. This is our feature. In addition, they have much less signal troops than we do. Accordingly, the need for people is less.
  25. vladcub
    vladcub 11 October 2018 16: 29
    +2
    "They were reduced under Anatoly Serdyukov" Taburetkin and his "harem" broke a lot of firewood.
    In principle, the idea is not the worst: we have a lot of "Kulibins", if such 3 years rattled honestly, then he will know more than the platoon officer. My cousin in the DShMB in Afghanistan was and said that in their company the warrant officer and the "grandfather" sergeant (the command was talking for extra urgent) were know-it-alls and there were practically no losses in the company, and the neighbors often had "two hundredths".
    And in the Second World War, the "fired" personnel officers were very much appreciated (losses there were minimal). I heard about this from the front-line soldiers
  26. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 11 October 2018 17: 23
    +1
    It seems to me that this is correct. The potential candidate has a tower, experience in the army, he is already quite old (at least 26-27 years). If not a vegetable, then it is possible for courses.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 October 2018 18: 01
      -2
      If his position does not require command skills of subordinates.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 11 October 2018 18: 47
        0
        Why not? If for example a warrior with the rank of sergeant, in the position of squad leader, or castle platoon? Of these, a junior officer will be much better than a raw leitech, only from a school, or military uniform.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 11 October 2018 20: 42
          -1
          Leitech is taught with the prospect of an early mamlea only for a primary position maximum. In the future, his career will be successful only with a reliably working advanced training system. For example, in the US Armed Forces, or in the Wehrmacht of the 30-40s. Namely, there is no military education system in the RF Armed Forces . For 27 years, a continuous personnel leapfrog, and shayaniya from side to side. Moreover, with the loss of officer succession.
          1. Tavrik
            Tavrik 11 October 2018 22: 58
            0
            Yes sir! Leapfrog with shyness. At the same time, the old teaching staff are practically "washed out" for age reasons and because of "well, nafik this is a madhouse" (see my comment above), and the new ... is not at all the level of general culture, upbringing, education. No outlook. Anything outside the salary-bonus-apartment-pension is perceived as unnecessary. To study "how the enemy did it" from the realm of fantasy.
        2. PVOSV
          PVOSV 11 October 2018 21: 59
          -1
          You don’t need to command a lot of mind with a shovel, you try to compare the sergeant and lieutenant in terms of training according to the requirements for the platoon commander / chief of the calculation.
          a sergeant with his authority and command voice will obviously lose in a number of combat training subjects simply because he was not taught this
  27. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 11 October 2018 18: 00
    -2
    A compulsory measure. The general organizational events of 2008-2012, with the liquidation of military educational institutions and a training base, the institute of warrant officers / midshipmen, led to the fact that parts of the newly-prepared clerk, especially in the Air Defense and Ground Forces, did not appear. Despite the creation of the army a new look. Just as there was a shortage before the 2008 reform attempts, so it continues to remain.
  28. SERGOL
    SERGOL 11 October 2018 18: 39
    0
    Well, let's see what comes of this. The project with KML, in my personal opinion, was a failure. Of the 9 mothers who came to the unit, in 2004, after half a year there was only one left, and after 2 years he was fired for drinking. The remaining 8 arbitrarily left part or were convicted under various articles. I'm not talking about terry familiarity among mummy soldiers. And now only with higher education and experience in contract service.
  29. Don Quixote
    Don Quixote 11 October 2018 19: 07
    +3
    The Ministry of Defense announced the recruitment of contract soldiers for the six-month lieutenant courses,

    It smells of war .. And here the question is not the timing, and who will prepare them (I hope they have combat experience, etc.), I hope that they will be trained to march on the parade ground with the song, only before release. soldier
    At the beginning of the 41st many were killed by the yellow-handed, someone was sitting in the NKVD ..
    And then, in general, right on the front line of the lieutenants, the sergeants were assigned and drove to the attack ..
    Someone survived, but most of the month in this rank did not go especially in the infantry .. Eternal memory to them!
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 October 2018 20: 43
      -2
      - War smells -

      + 1000!
  30. nkilmaev
    nkilmaev 11 October 2018 19: 47
    +1
    In Soviet times, this was practiced, there were also six-month courses for junior lieutenants, and with the introduction of the rank of "ensign", after XNUMX years of service, it was possible to take externally for a military school.
    1. Don Quixote
      Don Quixote 11 October 2018 21: 01
      +2
      Quote: nkilmaev
      In Soviet times, it was practiced,

      So there were a lot of military schools .. The choice was great! Military departments, etc.
      Now the contract system and, as it were, all sorts of careerists and thieves didn’t get into these ladenants ..
      Eh Russia, again we will step on the old rake before taking fascington ..?
  31. faterdom
    faterdom 11 October 2018 20: 50
    +1
    Well, yes, it was necessary first to close all communication schools except the St. Petersburg Academy, in order to encounter a surprise in a few years: a shortage of platoon and company officers. In the near future, to roll over this deficit to the battalion unit.
    Who would have thought? And someone will be responsible for this? Or will we wait for a "miracle near Moscow" again?
    By the way, guberns something in bunches and lines ... somewhere off into the distance. And they have one place very sensitive, like a compass for migratory birds.
    1. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 11 October 2018 22: 45
      +1
      And not just communications. Of the three command artillery schools (not counting the Mikhailovsky Academy), not one was left, not counting the Academy ...
  32. Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 October 2018 21: 02
    0
    During both Chechen wars, lieutenants were trained at the 3 and 6 monthly courses. Also, according to the order, especially competent, motivated, etc. etc. But in fact, platoon commanders and junior officers in primary positions were corny. When the deficit was over, they gave a command and quietly fired everyone, a few remained.
    Now the situation is the same, not enough officers. Who is to blame, everyone knows. Management takes measures to solve the problem.
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 11 October 2018 21: 22
    -1
    And where is such a strain? Now is 41? Or did the reforms of Taburetkin and K still hiccup at the army?
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 October 2018 22: 38
      -2
      The Syrian bridgehead showed once again that without more or less trained junior officers and sergeants, even with relatively modern weapons, success could not be achieved, even at a tactical level.
  34. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 11 October 2018 21: 32
    +2
    ........ in the army there are many posts in which officers trained under the accelerated program can serve. Moreover, courses can be organized both in military schools and in training centers, depending on the chosen specialty

    Key paragraph of the article ....
    There are 11 OA and 1 TA in the 1st RF, XNUMX-in AK, in addition to KChF, KSF, KBF, one AK each ...
    Armies are different in composition from three divisions in the 1st TA to 2 MSBr. in the 6th OA, during the threatened period and during the war, divisions and brigades will be deployed in them ...
    A question for connoisseurs: where will the junior command staff for the mobilization army come from, if there are only colonels and generals around, who for the most part are not experienced in commanding a battalion / regiment (despite the fact that our battalions are inferior in numbers to NATO) ...?
    It is too late (apparently) and expensive to increase the number of VVU ​​/ VVKU, therefore, the Party and the Government have found the cheapest way to train junior officers (there is seniority in the army + no need to spend money on high schools) ...
    If sergeants will be preparing lieutenants from contract sergeants (in the future ml. wrote on this site just now) ....
  35. dgonni
    dgonni 11 October 2018 21: 37
    +1
    3 years on contract and get a lieutenant? Well, in terms of earning gut. In terms of career, not a fountain. I’m wanging bread positions with warrant officers in the SA, and where you need to pull, there won’t be any.
  36. PVOSV
    PVOSV 11 October 2018 21: 50
    0
    The personnel gaps that have arisen during the "thoughtful and calculated" reform of the RF Armed Forces are being closed.
    Let’s take quantity, but not quality at all, our military leaders like to go rake twice


    1. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 11 October 2018 22: 42
      +1
      These are not military leaders, but such "advisers" and "effective managers"
      1. PVOSV
        PVOSV 11 October 2018 23: 10
        0
        These women are out of business, there should be a photo of Pankov, Makarov ... These unsinkable figures painted the perspective image of the army, look for their articles with beautiful words and numbers and compare them with today's realities.
        And remove these aunts, they are only a consequence.
        1. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 11 October 2018 23: 50
          0
          I did not say that it was their doing. I wrote
          these are the "advisors" and "effective managers"
  37. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 11 October 2018 22: 38
    +2
    "Take-off landing"?
    First, Perdyukov ruined the military education system, and now they want to make candy out of shit ?! Where did they see contractors with higher education and even under the age of 35 ?! Are you kidding me ?!
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 11 October 2018 23: 08
      +1
      For the sake of fairness, I will say that they began to destroy the military schools of the signal troops long before Serdyukov. First Kievskoye fell off for obvious reasons, then Tomsk was closed. In 1998, Leningradskoe (the only one that trained engineers!) Was attached to the Academy of Communications with such a devastation of the training base that they have not yet been restored, and most of the "school" teachers quit within one or two years. A little later Ulyanovskoe. And only under Serdyukov they closed Ryazan, Kemerovo, Novocherkassk, Stavropol. There were cadets who managed to study in three (!) Places in five years, moving with their company from city to city.
      1. Lexa-149
        Lexa-149 11 October 2018 23: 32
        +1
        Tomsk graduates served with me. I am aware that it was closed a little earlier.
  38. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 12 October 2018 06: 07
    0
    In my opinion, it is more important that the ISS take such courses. After all, a sergeant can become a platoon commander, so, according to the Charter, he must be able to act as part of a company and understand the task of a battalion! And these are not khukh-mukhras.
  39. Sergey Goncharov
    Sergey Goncharov 12 October 2018 06: 44
    0
    The courses will be the most scarce specialties in the ground forces, such as platoon and communications commanders.

    Well - with the platoon commanders - of course. The cadres "went in English" to the headquarters from the regiment and above. bully
    And what is the problem with the communication units ?? belay
  40. Dikson
    Dikson 12 October 2018 07: 04
    0
    Connection? Motorized infantry? It seems to me much more effective to give lieutenant epaulettes to contract sergeants .. If there is such a personnel shortage, the experience of the war years would be more useful than the theoretical knowledge of yesterday’s students. I saw such quite literate lieutenants who looked helplessly at the equipment in the army ... - they just did not study it at the time .. Any sergeant-super-conscript knows the service and equipment entrusted to him to the smallest nuance. And she knows how she behaves in various field, and not theoretically modeled in the classroom conditions ..
  41. icant007
    icant007 14 October 2018 16: 40
    0
    It seems that after the first Chechen one, courses were also opened. Who in the subject, was it not?
  42. Naughty
    Naughty 13 November 2018 01: 09
    0
    After reading half of the comments, the words of the song are remembered
    Get up country is huge sad