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Winding paths of Russophobia: the deserted Baltic states populated by Slavs

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Baltic dying out. And it does this at a much higher rate than other EU countries. Along with the relatively low birth rate characteristic of most European countries, depopulation of these three republics has not only demographic, but also social reasons. The low standard of living and unemployment compared with the states of the old Europe caused a massive outflow of the able-bodied population. Young people go abroad in search of a better life, and most are not going to return to their homeland. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are rapidly turning into the countries of the elderly.


Winding paths of Russophobia: the deserted Baltic states populated by Slavs


The economies of these republics, although fairly “sequestered” after joining the EU, currently cannot stay afloat without the involvement of labor migrants - citizens of those countries whose standard of living is lower than in the Baltics. And, despite the construction of virtually ethnocratic states in these three republics, business representatives push quotas for migrant workers.



Attempts by nationalist parties to prevent this are easily blocked by capital, because they actually contain all political groups, including right-wing groups.

Until recently, it was considered a good idea in the Baltics to attract citizens of Ukraine as labor migrants. Of course, this remarkable decision came to the heads of Baltic officials after the coup in Ukraine, which brought the current regime to power, whose support has become an essential element of the anti-Russian and Russophobian policies pursued by Vilnius, Tallinn and Riga.



It was supposed that by giving the Ukrainians the opportunity to repair plumbing, take out the garbage and extract oil shale in the mines of Kohtla-Järve, the Baltic states provide help and support to the freedom-loving Ukrainian people fighting the “Russian threat”. Who will be eternally grateful for this new “elder brothers”.



Nationalists, too, oddly enough, supported labor migration from Ukraine at first, hoping that those who "came in large numbers" would be able to oust local Russian and Russian-speaking people, much of whom are forced to work hard and / or little prestigious jobs from this segment, and run and from the Baltic.



Recall that not so long ago, the head of the Estonian Conservative Party, Mart Helme, announced that the only option for Russians in Estonia is assimilation. All those who are not satisfied with this should go beyond the Narva River (the state border of Estonia and Russia passes along it), the politician believes.



And in the “final solution of the Russian question,” the Baltic Nazis placed great hopes on Ukrainian migrants.

In the Baltic right-wing media, they openly wrote that among the migrant workers there are many “heroes of the ATO” who know very well how to deal with “Muscovites” and, if necessary, they will be able to realize their rich experience in the Baltic States.



The EDaily edition cites data from the Estonian Police and Border Guard Board (DFS), according to which immigrants from Ukraine this year received three times more temporary residence permits in this Baltic republic than immigrants from all other countries combined. In the first six months of the 2018, the DPP issued temporary residence permits within the immigration quota of 1268. Of these, citizens of Ukraine received 941 residence permit



Among those who issued a short-term work permit for up to twelve months, the dominance of Ukrainians turned out to be even more noticeable. As of mid-September, 13 410 of such permits were issued in Estonia from the beginning of the year, including to the citizens of Ukraine - 10 602 (about 80%).

Moreover, there are hardly any grounds to consider them low-skilled: at least one third of Ukrainian labor migrants have a higher education, about half have a vocational degree or a technical school diploma, and the rest have a basic or secondary education. About half of these immigrants found work in the construction or manufacturing industries.



As for Lithuania, in total in 2017, the local Migration Department issued thousands of temporary residence permits to Ukrainian citizens 6. And in the seven months of this year, the Ukrainians have already received about 18 thousands of work visas in Lithuania. According to the plans of the country's migration service, in 2019, this number will increase by 40 − 50%.



In Latvia, at the start of 2018, 2155 workers from Ukraine were registered.

Everything would have seemed simply remarkable: unlike the old Europe, where they are trying to fight depopulation and labor shortage by bringing “future Europeans” from the Maghreb, Africa and Central Asia, the Baltic countries get qualified and quite civilized “Gaster” behaving decently and really ready to work.



“Lithuanian employers welcome Ukrainian workers, since Ukraine is quite close. In addition, Ukrainians use a visa-free regime for short trips, and it is easy to negotiate with them in a language that everyone understands. This predetermined the fact that it is the citizens of Ukraine who receive the majority of temporary residence permits in Lithuania, ”the head of the Lithuanian Migration Board Evelina Gudzinskaite cannot rejoice at the assistants.



And here we will pay attention to the “understandable for all language” in which Ukrainian migrants communicate. For many Balts, it was a shock that Ukrainians speak the “language of the occupiers.” After all, far from the SBU and nationally Svidomo activists, they do not consider it necessary to distort their speech, making it look like a “state power”. And then employers will not understand them. That is, the Russian language does not even think of giving up its position in the Baltic States, having received unexpected support from where it was not expected.

Moreover, it turns out that among the Ukrainian citizens who came to work, a significant percentage of the most genuine ethnic Russians are trying so hard to send “for Narva”.

But the "atoshnikov" and conscious Bandera among them is much less than expected by the receiving party. After all, these characters are not at all for “shedding blood” on Maidan and in the Donbass, in order to hunch up on Lithuanian construction sites and Estonian manors. They want to "panovat."

To top it off a significant number of mixed marriages with Ukrainian migrants are recorded. So the question of who will assimilate whom — the Balts of the Slavs, or quite the contrary, does not look idle.



Slavonicization of the emptying Baltic territories is in full swing. And, by the way, the Ukrainian migrants try, as a rule, to give their children to Russian schools.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 October 2018 05: 42
    +11
    Yes, the Slavs are advancing in the Baltic states.
    1. dSK
      dSK 10 October 2018 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      the Slavs are advancing

      Latvia has chosen “Consent”: Riga Mayor Neil Ushakov has proposed the candidacy of a new Prime Minister. He also emphasized that “Consent” is the only Latvian party for which voters vote regardless of what their native language is.
    2. Yrec
      Yrec 10 October 2018 09: 12
      +18
      The Baltic states are dying. First of all, language. Attempts by local Nazis to change this did not and will not lead to anything. Native speakers in these countries or officials or students or retirees. The rest have already landed in Europe or are sitting on suitcases. In Europe they do not speak their native language and it is quickly forgotten, and the children do not already know it. I think, even during our lifetime, the Baltic countries will disappear as subjects of international law.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 10 October 2018 10: 33
        +15
        Quote: Yrec
        The Baltic states are dying. First of all, language.

        And what is characteristic, most of all about the preservation of the national languages ​​and culture of the Baltic countries, the USSR was pleased ... As they say, the Baltic states fought for this and ran into it.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 16 October 2018 16: 18
        0
        While there are military bases of the SGA, they will not disappear.
    3. Machito
      Machito 10 October 2018 09: 21
      +8
      No, these are the Balts retreating to Europe. And the Russians, like a thousand years of Nazat, are mastering the Baltic land.
    4. Vend
      Vend 10 October 2018 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In the Baltic right-wing media, they openly wrote that among the migrant workers there are many “heroes of the ATO” who know very well how to deal with “Muscovites” and, if necessary, they will be able to realize their rich experience in the Baltic States.

      And not only the Slavs.
      In the Baltic right-wing media, they openly wrote that among the migrant workers there are many “heroes of the ATO” who know very well how to deal with “Muscovites” and, if necessary, they will be able to realize their rich experience in the Baltic States.

      But only they will not realize these skills against the Baltic Russians, but against the Balts themselves. After all, not Russians are in power.
    5. The comment was deleted.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 12: 05
        +16
        It was you who sold to amers for cookies on the Maidan and for lace panties in the EU. Crimea was never Ukrainian, it is Russian land for which hundreds of thousands of Russians, not Ukrainians, have been given their lives in its defense. Ukrainians in the Crimea only as slaves and concubines fell.
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 10 October 2018 22: 36
          +5
          Well, Ukrainians at the end of the XVIII century. they simply could not give their lives for Crimea, just as they could not be as slaves and concubines. Then there were no Ukrainians (in ethnic terms), they, as a national idea, appeared almost a century later, and, surprise-surprise, only by denying any cultural and ethnic ties with Russia, as well as political orientation to the West. Look how well the old woman Autro-Hungary came up with successfully, still does not let go.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 October 2018 01: 09
            0
            Then there were Little Russians, called Ukrainians in Austria-Hungary, and fostered by the Soviet government personally Lenin (who created the Ukrainian SSR), Stalin (who joined Galicia, Volyn, Transcarpathia and Bukovina), Khrushchev (who gave the Crimea) and Brezhnev, ethnic Ukrainians and immigrant from Ukraine.
          2. dolfi1
            dolfi1 12 October 2018 18: 23
            0
            Quote: Bass Navigator
            Well, Ukrainians at the end of the XVIII century. they simply could not give their lives for Crimea, just as they could not be as slaves and concubines. Then there were no Ukrainians (in ethnic terms), they, as a national idea, appeared almost a century later, and, surprise-surprise, only by denying any cultural and ethnic ties with Russia, as well as political orientation to the West. Look how well the old woman Autro-Hungary came up with successfully, still does not let go.

            A familiar story, "our fylystyntsy" from the same opera (invented in 67-68).
            Well, the Baltic states, so all ethnic Russians, no matter how they call themselves. All the former republics of the USSR that came off during the collapse of the Union are mostly impostors. Excluding Georgia, I don’t remember anymore.
        2. Antares
          Antares 11 October 2018 23: 17
          -2
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Ukrainians in the Crimea only as slaves and concubines fell.

          The natives of the lands of modern Ukraine also defended all the borders of the Empire along with the Great Russians. And in Crimea many of them died ... if you take the Crimean War, it’s enough. Like the heroes. (The same native of the village of Omentintsy, Kamenetz-Podolsk province, Petr Markovich Koshka).
          Usually, it’s all easier to explain, there are no Ukrainians, so everyone was Russian — that means the Ukrainians couldn’t defend anything there (it’s strange that there were Ukrainian Mazepa and so on, but there were no heroes, all Russian wassat )
          In the ranks of the Red Army, one in three is Ukrainian ... to count how many Ukrainians (it was the UKRAINIANS who were already on the passport and by birth, the Ukrainian SSR, USSR) defended, died over the Crimea? And you definitely don’t delete them from the Ukrainians. Even calling them Soviet ...
          But though ... I heard how Hitler would have won without Ukraine ...
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 October 2018 23: 38
            +1
            Quote: Antares
            But though ... I heard how Hitler would have won without Ukraine ...

            In fact, for your information, Kiev was occupied by the Germans on September 19, 1941, Kharkov and Donetsk in October of the same year. By November, ALL Ukraine was taken by the Germans. So the most difficult, decisive battles such as the defense of Moscow, the defense of Stalingrad, the Battle of Kursk and dozens of smaller ones took place without the participation of the Ukrainian SSR. The USSR without Ukraine was able to defend itself, to push the Nazis along the cabbage soup and drive it beyond its borders. For all these 2 years of occupation, Ukrainians, on the contrary, worked for the benefit of the Nazis, plowed land for the Nazis, worked in factories for the Nazis, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were recruited to migrant workers and went to work in Germany to replace Hans or Fritz on the field or at the machine tool, they were called to the Wehrmacht. So here it is still necessary to calculate who the Ukrainians made the contribution to: the USSR or Nazi Germany. I believe that the Ukrainians helped their work more than Germany than the USSR.
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 14 October 2018 20: 43
              0
              Antares (And though ... I heard how Hitler would have won without Ukraine .... What could you even hear there?))) FROM WIKI: Number of dead soldiers: Number of losses (thousand people) Russians-5 756. 0% of the total
              the dead - 66.402
              Ukrainians Number of casualties (thousand people) - 1 377.4 0% of the total number
              fatalities -15.890
    6. 97110
      97110 11 October 2018 17: 25
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Yes, the Slavs are advancing in the Baltic states.

      And then the last Hitlerite ("Waffen SS" in Baldonian) all lit up. There is something to remember the Slavs ... How our grandfathers were shot in the back ...
  2. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 06: 24
    +6
    And, by the way, Ukrainian migrants, as a rule, try to send their children to Russian schools.
    Naturally. I don’t understand what is the point of learning the Ukrainian language abroad.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 10 October 2018 06: 45
      +12
      Like the tribal languages. Collective farms, with a general population less than in St. Petersburg, are just worthy of being included in the list of small peoples whose languages ​​can be optionally studied on farms.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 07: 00
        +8
        Well yes. It is simply pointless for a foreigner to learn the languages ​​of the Tribaltics; it is a waste of time. It’s better to spend this time studying English, French, Spanish or German.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 10 October 2018 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      As a rule, Ukrainian migrants try to send their children to Russian schools.
      Naturally.

      Even if you know fifteen foreign languages, you still need Russian. You never know: drop or drop something heavy on your leg.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 October 2018 06: 24
    +7
    Baltic states dying out
    So the EU will not lose that. Let them die out, the main thing is that the territory will remain in the EU.
    Slavicization of the empty Baltic territories is in full swing
    Judging by the article more specifically - Ukrainization.
  4. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 October 2018 06: 31
    +15
    Nezhdanchik. As N.V. Starikov once remarked, all the most ardent Ukrainians, when they worry, they switch to Russian.
    1. Vladimir Shpakov
      Vladimir Shpakov 10 October 2018 11: 22
      -12
      The language does not turn a Ukrainian (or another) into Russian. And they worry in Russian because in the USSR they studied more state-Russian. It is very simple. It is not even clear what you did not understand and what you wanted to say.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 12: 07
        +7
        Yeah! Absolutely the horse squeezed the pan :))))). Hey, brat! Is there anyone at home? In fact, the USSR collapsed for 27 years, and during this time a whole generation of horses grew up who were born and raised in a non-stocking and Svidomo, but nonetheless unaware of a mov, like Olga Znachkova with her famous poster about lace panties. Although she rode on the Maidan and hated the Russians, she did not own a mov and wrote in the Russian language that she hated.
      2. tracer
        tracer 10 October 2018 13: 49
        +3
        In North America (the empire in fact), the main language is English. from north to south of the continent from west to east. The dialect is different, the accent ... As in Russia, these okayut these pull the ends of the words. Sutti does not change. Interspersed with French in Quebec (Canada), well, does not affect "speed" at all. Spanish was just beginning to emerge, popular with black workers. It will expand its distribution with Mexicans and Hispanics. The carriers of the yaschyk are always living people, and where there are more of them there appear and the language of this nation manifests itself. There is one familiar Lithuanian doctor, a good dentist for 57 years. It seems not stupid, but she carries such nonsense about Rosmiya even though she does not live in Lithuania for 25 years.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 11 October 2018 04: 31
          0
          Quote: tracer
          Spanish has just begun to appear,

          Again, the tracer hangs noodles ... More than 10% of the population (about 40 million) speak Spanish, especially in the southern states. In both Los Angeles and San Francisco, there is a chance that the second person you ask for the route will answer in Spanish.
          Quote: tracer
          but such nonsense about carries
          Well, you, similarly carry nonsense, especially about the facts about the USA and Canada.
        2. 97110
          97110 11 October 2018 17: 37
          0
          Quote: tracer
          The carriers of the box are always living people,

          A friend told how in London, the American sailors were indignant and loudly demanded that a person with an incomprehensible to them, Americans, English would not clog the traffic control ether. Caught somewhere American-speaking, restored work ...
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 10 October 2018 19: 36
        +4
        Quote: Vladimir Shpakov
        And they worry in Russian because in the USSR they studied more state-Russian. It is very simple. It is not even clear what you did not understand and what you wanted to say.

        When they are worried, they speak the language that they subconsciously consider their native language. But practically no one considers "MOV" to be their native language.
      4. A.
        A. 10 October 2018 20: 46
        +1
        The skin that does not remember kinship, Ukrainians and Russians, is one people.
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          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 11 October 2018 13: 16
            -2
            Centuries are making significant amendments, for example, many noble families of the Russian kingdom came from their Turkic and others. Tom and Ukraine over the centuries suffered a lot of perturbation of the population, because every people flocked to the Cossack freemen. And you can talk to the people who have formed in the last hundred years ... That,. that the Slavic compound is predominant, shows genetic studies ...
        2. 97110
          97110 11 October 2018 17: 43
          0
          Quote: Anatolyevich
          Ukrainians and Russians are one nation.

          Take it easy. Get to know these closer, you will realize that you are lost. Siberian?
  5. Semurg
    Semurg 10 October 2018 08: 01
    -2
    the language of the host country is not taught by a tourist, a stupid person, an occupier who wants to plant his own language. Interestingly, the Balts will take the experience of the Russian Federation in passing an exam on knowledge of the language, local history and culture from potential applicants for work in the Baltic countries. And one more thing, it turns out that the local Balts are more mobile than the local Russians, since they had the same opportunities to leave and settle in old Europe, while the local Russians stayed in the Baltic states and work in construction sites and mines, which have to bring in Gaster Ukrainians to compete in the local labor market.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 10 October 2018 08: 44
      +7
      I looked through the article again, but I could not find where it was written that only ethnic "Balts" were leaving. Everyone whose age and profession allow them to get a job over the hill are leaving.
    2. Machito
      Machito 10 October 2018 09: 17
      +4
      Not all local Russians have citizenship status and can travel to Europe to work.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 October 2018 19: 37
      +5
      Quote: Semurg
      an invader who wants to plant his tongue

      In fact, the Baltic states were bought by Russia, so who the occupier is there have different opinions.
  6. apro
    apro 10 October 2018 08: 24
    +2
    I don’t understand .... need to cry or laugh?
    What influence does today's Russia have on the Baltic countries? What are the interests of Russia in the Baltic states? Are they building the Russian world. A new civilization system?
  7. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 10 October 2018 08: 42
    +1
    Who is populated by Ukraine? The Chinese?
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 12: 11
      +2
      Blacks and Arabs. The population of Ukraine will blacken appreciably :)))). Well, yes, but the Ukrainians will become gubastenki as Negro :))).
  8. Machito
    Machito 10 October 2018 09: 14
    +4
    When three-story wooden towers were built in Kievan Rus, the Balts lived in dugouts and dressed in animal skins.
    1. Yura
      Yura 10 October 2018 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: Bearded
      When three-story wooden towers were built in Kievan Rus,

      There were no Baltic states at that time.
  9. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 October 2018 11: 10
    +2
    If you look at us, then about 70 percent of all citizenships obtained among migrants are from Ukraine. So sho we are also replaced by Ukrainians, only we are "slightly" more ... But this year, judging by statistics, even migrants will not save the country from population decline ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 10 October 2018 13: 21
      +3
      A significant part of these Ukrainian migrants are ethnic Great Russians, the rest are Russian-speaking Ukrainians (or half Ukrainians, half Great Russians). Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians do not particularly strive to become citizens of the Russian Federation.
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 11 October 2018 16: 59
        0
        If you really simplified obtaining citizenship, for example, made an analogue as in Poland - the Pole card, and we have a Russian card, then at least 5 million have been moved from Ukraine long ago, especially from Ukraine, we only get the pluses from this, and so we got from Ukraine for 4 years in the area of ​​300k ...
        1. 97110
          97110 11 October 2018 17: 57
          0
          Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
          then a minimum of 5 million was already moved long ago especially from Ukraine
          And who will pay money for dollars for the sale of Russia if they renounce Hohland citizenship? Yes, they will crush, they will sit to the brim, because - in vain did they sell something? I looked at my mother-in-law’s torment as she, in her almost 90 exported from the Donbass, could not decide to change her citizenship. She was born near Yaroslavl, in the Soviet Far East by comics. voucher married Donetsk ... All of Ukraine is waiting for America to pay with them.
          1. Antares
            Antares 11 October 2018 23: 23
            -1
            Quote: 97110
            And who will pay money for dollars for the sale of Russia if they renounce Hohland citizenship?

            from the Russian, too, is not easy to refuse. From ours, the pan president himself decides. And from the Russian only certificates need to be collected that you owe nothing to anyone there, that you spit on the whole thing. Ukrainian and Russian citizenship is easier than giving up on it.
          2. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 23 October 2018 10: 21
            0
            So a year ago, citizens of Ukraine were allowed to obtain Russian citizenship without refusing their passport.
  10. Igoresha
    Igoresha 10 October 2018 11: 15
    +1
    And, by the way, Ukrainian migrants, as a rule, try to send their children to Russian schools.


    what? there are Russian schools?))))
    From the point of view of the Latvian statehood, everything is being done correctly - foreign speakers must either leave or assimilate so that their children communicate in the native language, the country is small, it will not "digest", because if on the contrary, it will not be Latvia but Ruslatvia.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 10 October 2018 13: 24
      +2
      In a country that is small in territory and population in an era of globalization and open borders, the vast majority of foreign speakers cannot be assimilated. Moreover, the Estonian, Lithuanian and Latvian languages ​​themselves are slowly being supplanted by English.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 10 October 2018 14: 10
        0
        then there is only one way out - for the door. Although I doubt that for almost 30 years of independence, the young generation has not learned Lithuanian, they will definitely learn this at school, they don’t want to communicate with each other, it’s possible
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 11 October 2018 00: 48
          +1
          A small country will not be able to drive out the door, there will not be enough strength.) The EU will not approve. And how to expel Russians and Russian speakers from northeastern Estonia or from Latvian Riga (where there are about half of the population, Latvian according to official data is native to 40%) and Daugavpils (with 20% of the Latvian population)?
  11. Bender Rodriguez
    Bender Rodriguez 10 October 2018 13: 04
    +5
    "Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather?"
    The population of the border regions with the Baltic states.
    Pskov region 636 546 people. (2018) - 1 people. (044). The trend towards extinction.
    Novgorod region 606 people (476) - 2018 people (736) Extinction trend.
    Tver Oblast, although it does not border, is significant, 1 people. (283) - 873 2018 1 people (806) The tendency to extinction. Wiki source.
    In terms of area, these areas combined are several times superior to the Baltic states, in terms of population they are several times inferior to it.
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 10 October 2018 16: 58
      +1
      And here, mainly citizens who prefer to pick mines in the eyes of others rub.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 October 2018 01: 14
      -2
      Here, internal migration to Moscow, the Moscow Region, and St. Petersburg partly plays a role. In the Soviet period, the Pskov and Novgorod Oblasts belonged to the less prosperous regions of the RSFSR. They more or less developed normally either when they were separate districts and cities within the large Leningrad region. or when under Khrushchev they entered the Leningrad Economic Council. Honestly speaking, these two areas may not have been worth forming in 1944.
      You look at how much the population within the borders of the modern Novgorod region declined in 1926 (1) compared to 050 (604), and in 1897 (1) compared to 367. The population of the Pskov region by 022 the year was halved compared to 1959 - from one million eight hundred thousand to nine hundred thousand. If in the Novgorod region there was a slight population growth in the 736-529s, then in the Pskov region it declined continuously in the Khrushchev and Brezhnev times, and during perestroika. That is, demographically, these were the most disadvantaged regions of the RSFSR, along with the Smolensk, Oryol and Kostroma regions. By the way, if we look at the situation in Estonia’s counties, Latvian regions, and Lithuanian regions, the situation there differs in different regions of these states.
      By the way, an interesting trend. In Russia, the worst demographic situation is in those areas where, in the late 80s, the population did not reach one million people.
    3. YarSer88
      YarSer88 11 October 2018 19: 16
      +2
      Not to extinction, but to moving to Moscow. Moscow is like a vacuum cleaner, people are pulling from all over the European part of Russia, they have already attached an area about half the size of the "vnutrikadya", the old woman does not fit everyone.
  12. lexsa
    lexsa 10 October 2018 15: 28
    +2
    Ukrainians are the same Russians, and the disease of the Maidan and the Mova is only due to the fact that they live in the quarantine zone.
    As soon as they leave her, the fierce crest immediately gets kind and becomes a normal Russian.
    Balti oh how wrong ...
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 21: 53
      +2
      Do not write nonsense. He worked in the North with Ukrainians, he did not meet a more rotten folk.
    2. Antares
      Antares 11 October 2018 23: 29
      -2
      Quote: lexssa
      then the fierce crest immediately becomes kind and becomes a normal Russian

      I didn’t see the former, and the latter did not differ from us, although I was lying - they were gloomy. In St. Petersburg there isn’t enough insolation .. we are talkative southerners forever bright, cheerful and healthy on fruits .. And in Northern Palmyra there is no such sun as in South.
      1. lexsa
        lexsa 17 November 2018 14: 43
        0
        Come to Ukraine, I will show you fierce Ukrainians
  13. Zaits
    Zaits 10 October 2018 17: 42
    +3
    Quote: Semurg
    ... it turns out that the local Balts are more mobile than the local Russians, since they had the same opportunities to leave and settle in old Europe, while the local Russians remained in the Baltic states and work on construction sites and mines ....

    Well, about the construction sites and the mines, the author somewhat aroused.
    Apart from the traditionally depressive places like Kohtla-Järve, on average, Russians in the Baltic states settled pretty well. The main reason is very simple - a noticeably higher level of education. And a very high level of cohesion, which also contributes. They know the language, but do not assimilate. What does not stop them from considering the Baltic countries their homeland, because many were born there.
    So it turns out that the stupidity of the Baltic politicians is more likely to help squeeze Estonians into Europe or there are Latvians or Lithuanians, and not Russians. And mobility has nothing to do with it. Here are the local Natsik and rage.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 October 2018 01: 17
      0
      The Lithuanians have a better situation compared to Estonians and especially Latvians. And the absolute number of Lithuanians is comparable to the total number of Latvians and Estonians combined, and they make up the vast majority of the country's population.
  14. frols
    frols 10 October 2018 18: 49
    +3
    Yes, a lot of all kinds of trash came to us. All city sites scammed their nonsense, like news relating to Russia, comments as if from a censor.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 10 October 2018 19: 40
      0
      That's interesting. Whom do you think is trash? And who do you relate to?
  15. AB
    AB 10 October 2018 20: 13
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    All post-Soviet republics step on the same rake with the Russian and Russian languages.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 10 October 2018 21: 54
      -1
      In addition to Belarus and Kazakhstan.
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 11 October 2018 08: 00
    +3
    For all the time of independence, the Baltic states did not publish a single work in their languages ​​..... Now they are trying to squeeze out the Russian-speaking ... The end is near and already visible .. Lithuania, by the way, received from Stalin a steward along with the capital. It would be necessary to return it to Belarus ...
  17. Antares
    Antares 11 October 2018 23: 32
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    It's funny, but from the article - the Ukrainians are fighting for the Russian language in the Baltics it turns out ... And "from below" - the quantity.
    The fact is that we know several languages, Russian Ukrainian, English .. and we choose Russian in the Baltic countries - only because it is convenient. I can’t imagine with whom there you can indulge in Ukrainian ..
    easier in English ..
    All the same, Ukrainian is homemade .. Warm good, but at home and if without coercion.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 12 October 2018 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: Antares
      The fact is that we know several languages, Russian Ukrainian, English

      But what about Polish? After all, the dream of a Ukrainian is to get settled in Poland. And the Polish language itself is very similar to Ukrainian, in fact Ukrainian, the standard of which became the Galician dialect, and there is essentially warped Polish: rick, hmara, color, town, pan, etc.
  18. NG inform
    NG inform 12 October 2018 08: 40
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    Ukrainians are mostly ethnic southern Russians. Ukraine is a negative political orientation. Previously, it was a toponym, but over time it became a synonym for Russophobia.
    Estonians are closer in genetics to northern Russians than to anyone else, so Russians cannot really assimilate them.
    1. NG inform
      NG inform 12 October 2018 08: 51
      -1
      By the way, another funny fact: svidomye from Belarus consider themselves to be "Lithuanians" and often say that they are not Russian. So, according to the maps of geneticists, it is much easier for Lithuanians and Belarusians to find relatives in the east, in Russia, than in Belarus and Lithuania, respectively.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 12 October 2018 09: 36
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        Do not confuse the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and modern Lithuania. Lithuanians during the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were called zhmudya and were slaves to Polish magnates and Eastsee Germans. The Litvinians lived on the territory of modern Belarus, their native language was Russian. Subsequently, when Poland absorbed as a result of the Union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the very name of "Litvin" disappeared, then in the 18th century, when Catherine razed Poland with Prussia and Austria, the former lands of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania became part of Russia, and the inhabitants there began to be called Belorussians, which is why the modern name came about Belarus, although it would be more correct to call Belarus Lithuania. The Lithuanians, who used to be zhmud, simply stole their name and history from today's Belarusians, and now they claim the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 12 October 2018 11: 35
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          What are the Ostsee Germans on the territory of the GDL? Zhmud (zemait) is one of the parts of the Lithuanian people.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 12 October 2018 19: 20
            -2
            Where did I write about the "Ostsee Germans" on the territory of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? The Eastsee Germans lived on the territory of the present-day Tribaltic, and had nothing to do with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. ON is the territory of modern Belarus.
  19. Penzyac
    Penzyac 16 October 2018 18: 12
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Well yes. It is simply pointless for a foreigner to learn the languages ​​of the Tribaltics; it is a waste of time. It’s better to spend this time studying English, French, Spanish or German.

    And also, Russian and Chinese ...
  20. Penzyac
    Penzyac 16 October 2018 18: 17
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Quote: Antares
    The fact is that we know several languages, Russian Ukrainian, English

    But what about Polish? After all, the dream of a Ukrainian is to get settled in Poland. And the Polish language itself is very similar to Ukrainian, in fact Ukrainian, the standard of which became the Galician dialect, and there is essentially warped Polish: rick, hmara, color, town, pan, etc.

    And who is interested in Polish outside Poland, why is it better than "Ukrainian"? ...
  21. Penzyac
    Penzyac 16 October 2018 18: 20
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    In addition to Belarus and Kazakhstan.

    In Belarus and Kazakhstan, there are also people who want to go on a rake, in any family, not without a freak ...
  22. Penzyac
    Penzyac 16 October 2018 18: 22
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    Quote: Cossack 471
    That's interesting. Whom do you think is trash? And who do you relate to?

    He clearly wrote: those who are on the "censor" ...
  23. Penzyac
    Penzyac 16 October 2018 18: 41
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    Baltic states dying out
    So the EU will not lose that. Let them die out, the main thing is that the territory will remain in the EU.
    Slavicization of the empty Baltic territories is in full swing
    Judging by the article more specifically - Ukrainization.

    Ukrainization - in my opinion, this is somewhat different, it is the disintegration of the state, its transformation into a "wild field" with Makhnovism and other "charms" ...
  24. vindigo
    vindigo 16 October 2018 23: 56
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    Strange title. Mocking. In Russia, the Slavic population is declining. We inhabit Central Asians.