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The Pentagon has announced a tender for weapons caliber 6,8 mm

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The Pentagon announced a competition to create prototypes of small weapons caliber 6,8 mm according to the program NGSW (Next Generation Squad Weapons), reports bmpd.

The Pentagon has announced a tender for weapons caliber 6,8 mm
A prototype of the 6,8-mm automatic LSAT weapon developed by AAI using the NGSAR program.

It is assumed that the new NGSW-R automatic rifles and NGSW-AR light machine guns will replace the army 5,56 mm carbines of the M4 family and the M249 machine guns.

Under the terms of the competition, the firms participating in it must, during the 27 months, create and pass on 50 troop tests for each type of prototype, as well as 850 thousands of 6,8 caliber cartridges.

According to American experts, the new assignment of the military department will cancel all previous assignments on this topic issued to individual companies under the NGSAR program. Six preliminary contracts in June 2018 were concluded with General Dynamics, AAI Corporation, FN America (two contracts), SIG Sauer and PCP Tactical.

Until now, very little information about the cartridge caliber 6,8 mm, says the material. It is known that last year the US Army completed the Small Arms Ammunition Configuration (SAAC) program, during the implementation of which, perhaps, a new ammunition was created.

At the same time, the general purpose cartridge HM1186 is mentioned in the NGSW weapons design assignment, which should be the basis for developing a new cartridge. According to customer requirements, he will have to "meet all the requirements of combat training." Also in the competition task are mentioned the training cartridge HM1194 and the cartridge of increased ballistics.

A prototype of the 6,8-mm automatic LSAT weapon developed by AAI using the NGSAR program.
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AAI Corporation
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  1. marshes
    marshes 9 October 2018 15: 16
    +2
    It's time, time.
    In Russia, that is, in the USSR there were 6x49 developments.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 9 October 2018 15: 19
      +3
      Drank the dough? Money nowhere to go? Oh well...
      1. marshes
        marshes 9 October 2018 15: 25
        +10
        Quote: Alex777
        Drank the dough? Money nowhere to go? Oh well...

        Who drank, they see that 5.56 is no longer coping and in Afghanistan the demand went up to 7.62x51, even 7.62x39 for the Italian ones. That's where they came to the transition to 6.8x43. Where can I use it on a single machine gun or assault rifle.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 9 October 2018 21: 29
          +2
          There is still very little data on a cartridge with a caliber of 6,8 mm

          Bigger 5,56, smaller 7,62
          Intermediate intermediate cartridges (abbreviated cartridge AI - intermediate of intermediate) laughing
      2. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 03
        -6
        And Yes, and no! The tiny caliber turns out to be rather weak ... especially in urban conditions! Remember that AK-RPK-74 has NO armor-piercing ammunition!
        1. karelia molot
          karelia molot 10 October 2018 08: 52
          +2
          I hasten to upset you, but still there. The black.
          1. Peter Ivanov
            Peter Ivanov 10 October 2018 23: 00
            0
            "27. 5,45-mm cartridges are produced with ordinary and tracer bullets. The head of the tracer bullet is painted green. To simulate firing, blank (no bullet) cartridges are used, which are fired using a special sleeve."
            This is from the AK-74 manual.
            Indeed, the 5,45 cartridge with the "Needle" bullet (black color of the bullet) is available TODAY, it was not in the Union! In fire lessons, firemen always paid attention to this feature! I believe that there is no state stock of this ammunition in the Russian Federation (in case of war). It takes decades and a budget !!! So this is a relatively rare ammunition for the Russian army. But for AKM there are a myriad of such cartridges !!!
            I have the honor.
  2. Jerk
    Jerk 9 October 2018 15: 24
    +2
    And the NATO allies are aware that they need to update the entire rifle because of you? laughing
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 October 2018 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Jerk
      And the NATO allies are aware that they need to update the entire rifle because of you?

      Yes, it’s even cooler there, the Germans and Americans began to develop a Marxman semi-automatic rifle for 7.92x57,7.62x67.
    2. Black sniper
      Black sniper 9 October 2018 15: 52
      +1
      It is assumed that the new NGSW-R automatic rifles and NGSW-AR light machine guns will replace the army 5,56 mm carbines of the M4 family and the M249 machine guns.
      -----------------------------
      Allies then why? hi They have their own rifle range for the 5,56 / 7,62mm NATO caliber, we are talking about specific trunks of the United States M4 and M249 about the exported M-16, too, there is no question.
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 9 October 2018 17: 22
        0
        The principle of uniformity of ammunition and the unification of logistics. Otherwise, they only have to sit at home with these propellers / machine guns
        1. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 04
          -1
          This is if the EU does not ruin NATU!
    3. msm
      msm 9 October 2018 19: 50
      +3
      Not worried about that, comrade. They are increasing the firepower of small arms. They have a lot of money, bl-and-n.
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 05
        -1
        Absolutely fair colleague! Since then our AK-47 and AKM have been giving them peace!
      2. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 10 October 2018 23: 05
        0
        I, comrade, am worried not about their "increased firepower", but because in the Russian army, conscripts, except for KMB (quarantine in our opinion), are completely absent from Combat Training !!! These are not rumors, these are facts!
        I have the honor!
    4. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 10 October 2018 00: 15
      0
      In Europe, a complete mess, everyone saws what he wants, and Eastern Europe will cut Kalashi for another 200 years and then he will immediately switch to photon weapons ....
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 10 October 2018 06: 02
        +1
        Meanwhile, the most advanced army in the world is going to produce for itself in the states without a license the very ancient and backward ... Kalashnikov and NSV machine guns laughing
        Well, and who is retarded?
        https://ria.ru/world/20181010/1530317509.html?referrer_block=index_main_2
        1. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 10 October 2018 23: 07
          0
          Adversary, he is like that, you need to know him to beat skillfully!
          I have the honor!
  3. Vova Kabaev
    Vova Kabaev 9 October 2018 15: 28
    +2
    Even the great Russian gunsmith Fedorov made the first submachine gun in 1916 under the 6,5mm cartridge!
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 9 October 2018 15: 35
      +12
      which (cartridge) was a Japanese "Arisaka" ... just then there was no other cartridge, at least minimally similar to the intermediate one ...
      1. Disorder
        Disorder 10 October 2018 01: 14
        +1
        Even before the Second World War, on the basis of Fedorov’s research, a series of experimental firing with 6-, 6.5-, 7- and 7.62-mm caliber bullets was carried out. Based on the results of the shooting, the optimal caliber was chosen - 6.5 mm. In this caliber, Fedorov designed a 6.5x57 cartridge. Under this cartridge, his self-loading rifle, which was originally designed in caliber 7.62, was redone.
        Unfortunately, with the outbreak of World War I, all work on this rifle was discontinued.
        In view of the shortage of light machine guns in the Russian army, Fedorov suggested converting his rifles into machine guns (the word “automatic” appeared later). On the rifle, an automatic fire mode was introduced and a store of increased capacity was added. Due to the lack of mastery of the 6.6x57 cartridge, the chamber was redesigned for the Arisakov's cartridge.
        1. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 10 October 2018 23: 12
          0
          So it was! And all from our poverty!
    2. marshes
      marshes 9 October 2018 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Vova Kabaev
      Even the great Russian gunsmith Fedorov made the first submachine gun in 1916 under the 6,5mm cartridge!

      Japanese cartridge Arisaka.6.5x50.
    3. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 12
      0
      The great Fedorov took what was available, namely the Arisakovsky ammunition! This then became the problem of his machine gun in the Soviet era. The cartridges that the tsarist government bought for the First World War ran out, and there was no money to build new cartridge factories for 6,5mm caliber! The era of unification has come: 7,62 - revolver "Nagant"; rifle "Nagana-Mosin"; machine gun of the "Maxima" system; handbrake "RPD"; pistol "TT", etc. etc.
  4. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 9 October 2018 15: 41
    +1
    There is still very little data on a cartridge with a caliber of 6,8 mm, the material says.


    On the basis of the AR-15, the weapons are riveting right under this cartridge. And the cartridge is such that it fits into the store 5.56.
    The barrel on already released weapons will change and a little stuffing, and that's all, you can use it.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 October 2018 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      On the basis of the AR-15, weapons are riveting right under this cartridge

      I don’t think what will happen on the basis of the AR-15, it is painfully sensitive to the quality of the cartridges. But on the basis of the NK-416/417, they can create a gas piston with a short stroke.
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 9 October 2018 15: 58
    +1
    From the news it is not at all clear what the essence of the innovation itself is, because one of the main reasons for switching to 5,56 is the desire to have more ammunition with the same mass. A plastic telescopic sleeve will also be used here. They want to seriously reduce the weight of ammunition. But the stick, as the elders say, is about two ends - the size of such ammunition will be comparable to a shotgun cartridge of almost 16 caliber. This will significantly reduce the volume of the store or lead to a strong increase while maintaining capacity. Controversial decision.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 October 2018 16: 14
      +2
      So do they already have Remington 6.8? (In the middle)
    2. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 18
      0
      Do not forget our colleagues that the SGA, a country rich in finances and the lack of unification on the Soviet model! They have that (I'm not talking about the type of troops, what kind of aircraft there is !!!) neither the unit, then the choice of trunk !!! This nonsense of Hitler, at one time, brought to the grave! But what is there, even if the Yankees keep up with it, and the sooner, the air on the Third Planet from the Sun will become cleaner!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2018 11: 13
        0
        In the United States, the unification of military equipment is much higher than in Russia. Example. They have one tank - Abrams, and Russia has three - T-72, T-80, T-90.
        And so - for any kind of technique.
        1. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 10 October 2018 22: 41
          0
          Sorry colleague, I had in mind firearms, personal and group weapons! For certainty in concepts and in order to speak the same language, read the book Outstanding Russian / Soviet Weaponsmith V.G. Fedorova "Automatic weapon".
          And not with Russia but with the Soviet Union, for a moment.
          I have the honor.
  6. Vadim851
    Vadim851 9 October 2018 16: 03
    0
    6,8 is a good compromise between 5,56 and 7,62 which differ too much, but they do not have a common analogue of 7,62 X 39.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 October 2018 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Vadim851
      and they do not have a common analogue of 7,62 X 39.

      There was such a cartridge, it was used on the first Saigas. 6.5x38 / 39. Pretty high initial speed.

      The saiga carcass as well as their glands were sold to France for foreign currency. And they beat it to Saiga with anything horrible, the carcasses turned green from the lead shot from the battery and the SCS was rare. Then the carcass we had was 1p 20 kopecks. per kg they sold sausage musk glands, for $ 50 per kg. Now the Chinese and glands are buying antler antlers. Often, poachers take off meat or feed the dogs.
    2. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 9 October 2018 17: 44
      0
      delivered by compositions !!!!! Well, at least wagons !!! BUT!!!! for the civilian market ... that is, for private owners with weapons for a given caliber ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 9 October 2018 18: 07
        0
        Quote: d ^ Amir
        delivered by compositions !!!!! Well, at least wagons !!! BUT!!!! for the civilian market ... that is, for private owners with weapons for a given caliber ...

        Until the 80s, saiga exceeded 2 million; more than sheep were bred.

        A saiga rifled under a foreign cartridge was chosen by Kunaev himself, Kent Brezhnev, a connoisseur of hunting. Rather, he turned to the creation of this weapon.
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 9 October 2018 18: 14
          +2
          Good evening!!! those carbines were produced on special order and chambered for 5,6 mm !!!! foreign 5,56 mm !!! if senility doesn’t change me ... and Brezhnev was a fanatic of weapons, he just had such an opportunity at that time ... so I went hunting with a hard drive and a Colt revolver
          1. marshes
            marshes 9 October 2018 18: 36
            0
            Quote: d ^ Amir
            Good evening!!! those carbines were produced on special order and chambered for 5,6 mm !!!! foreign 5,56 mm !!! if senility doesn’t change me ... and Brezhnev was a fanatic of weapons, he just had such an opportunity at that time ... so I went hunting with a hard drive and a Colt revolver

            They didn’t use 6.5 at first, then they gave Kunaev a rifle for 410, he used this ammunition. He contacted the local gunsmith from the local Ministry of Internal Affairs, bike of the Kaz Scientific Research Institute of Energy, Experimental Mechanical Laboratory. .

            And at 6.5x39 the initial speed is about 1000-1200 m / s.
            1. d ^ Amir
              d ^ Amir 9 October 2018 18: 40
              +1
              Well, that’s what I don’t know, I don’t know ... hi
              1. marshes
                marshes 9 October 2018 18: 50
                +1
                Quote: d ^ Amir
                Well, that’s what I don’t know, I don’t know ...

                The old people whom he knew, they said a lot about leaving, but 70 percent are surely the truth that they should lie. They lie before death, mostly about their lives, they can be ashamed or maybe just dreams.
    3. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 19
      0
      That's the thing WHAT IS! Make this ammunition, but for commercial retail!
  7. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 9 October 2018 16: 12
    0
    And the whole Nata will switch to this caliber. I drank it. And nothing new and money in your pocket. Let the whole world be thrown off to support the Amer’s defense. That's right wassat drinks
  8. loki565
    loki565 9 October 2018 16: 21
    -1
    and what is not 7.62 ???)))
    1. Vadim851
      Vadim851 9 October 2018 16: 30
      0
      Too much for automatic weapons to mass. 7,62X51 is needed only in some cases, and the fire is mostly single.
  9. BAI
    BAI 9 October 2018 16: 35
    +3
    An approach similar to the techniques of manufacturers of electronic equipment: a new caliber - new ammunition and weapons. All buy again. Old stocks of perfectly usable weapons and ammunition - for disposal or sale.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 October 2018 16: 46
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Old stocks of perfectly usable weapons and ammunition - for disposal or sale.

      For large countries, it’s very expensive. The transition to a new caliber will stretch over decades. For not large ones that want to organize small arms assembly and cartridge production, with money and a small army, it is not so critical. But the main thing is that a new type of ammunition issued in at least three countries that are not bound by obligations between themselves. This is just in case.
    2. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 23: 22
      -1
      All the big businesesses, and with them the profits from the great women’s Wishlist, flow! Well, the broad Yankee masses want something similar to the unkillable AKM! WAIT AND ENVY FOR US SOVIET!
  10. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 9 October 2018 22: 59
    -1
    Poor things! Hitler, too, threw the whole Soviet company ... which tank in Wehrmacht would be better to fight !!! But it turned out that the T-34 BUT! Mass! So in the SGA! Well, our Soviet AK-47s and AKMs with their 7,62 caliber haunt them !!! DOES NOT GIVE!
    I remember that Grandfather Kalashnikov used to say when we met that he had been persuaded to use this small caliber 5,54! And he believed, AND SAID that his best creation "for border protection" is AKM!
  11. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 10 October 2018 23: 35
    0
    In the photo for the article, an experimental machine gun under experimental telescopic cartridges.