Armor is strong and our tanks are fast

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Armor is strong and our tanks are fast
Story tanks KV-1 of the 116th tank brigade. The Shchors tank has a cast tower, the Bagration tank has a welded tower. In the picture, a tank crew member behind the DT turret anti-aircraft machine gun. The crew of the Schors tank: tank commander junior lieutenant A. Sundukevich, driver sergeant M. Zaikin, gunner-gunner senior sergeant George Sorokin. According to the data on the combat composition of the Red Army on May 1, 1942, the 116th tank brigade was in the Volga Military District in the Penza Region at the formation stage. She was sent to the front in June 1942 in the Kursk region.

25 June 1941 - the fourth day of the war. In the book of records, the chief of the German general staff, Colonel General Halder, one after another victorious reports and suddenly after talking on the phone with the headquarters of Army Group Center there should be an entry: "The data on the new type of Russian heavy tank was obtained: 52 tons of weight, frontal armor - 37 cm (?), Airborne armor - 8 cm ... 50-mm anti-tank gun penetrates armor only under the gun turret.88-mm anti-aircraft gun, apparently, also pierces airborne armor (it is not yet known). one new tank, thief the 75-mm cannon and three machine guns. "

So the German command first learned about the new Soviet tanks KB and T-34.

Strictly speaking, even before the war, German intelligence learned of the existence of the T-34 and KV tanks. But this information was contradictory and was not brought to the attention of the field forces.

Crossing of Soviet T-34 tanks and ford artillery across a small river


It immediately turned out that all German tank and anti-tank guns (PTP) did not penetrate the armor of KB and T-34 tanks, and Soviet 76-mm tank guns with a length of 30 klb. (L-11 and F-32) and in 40 CL. (F-34 and ZIS-5) pierce the armor of all German tanks at a distance of up to 1000 m. After the first battles, the German soldiers christened 37-mm * PTP "door hammers" and "army crackers". One of the reports said that the calculation of 37-mm PTP achieved 23 hits in the same T-34 tank and only when the shell hit the base of the tower, the tank was incapacitated. The T-III tank from 50 meters hit the T-34 four times, and then from 20 meters again, but all the shells broke into pieces without damaging the armor.

Here a quite reasonable question arises from the reader (the author claims that our PTP and tanks were qualitatively superior to the German ones), so how can we explain that in the 1941, the Red Army lost 20,5 thousands of tanks and 12 thousands of anti-tank guns? There are more than enough reasons for this. But the most important thing is that the unmoved unmobilized Red Army faced an army that had fought for two years. Army, which had the best equipment in the world and the best soldier in the world; It took the army only a month to defeat the united armies of England, France, Belgium and Holland in 1940.

T-34-76 tank reservation scheme


New tanks KB and T-34 just started to enter the army and were not mastered by personnel. Few of the drivers had more than five hours of tank driving experience, and many crews had never conducted training shooting. And not only tanks fought. Everyone knows the absolute superiority of the Germans in the air. And our field troops could fight off the Luftwaffe exclusively from Maxim’s 7,62-mm machine guns. German artillery was motorized almost 100%, and ours - 20%. Finally, the level of senior officers left much to be desired. The repression of 1937 significantly weakened the power of the Red Army, although they should not overestimate their role. After all, the repressed marshals and commanders were mostly not professional military men, but heroes of the Civil War, promoted by Trotsky and Sklyansky. Civil war or unrest in the state usually leads to the leadership of an army of incompetent people. Among the brilliant pleiad of Napoleon's marshals, there were no heroes who fought Bastille, Lyon and Marcel, and the commanders of the Civil War during the Great Patriotic War who had survived the repression did not show themselves. Locksmith can hang marshal shoulder straps, personal security guard - generals, journalist - rear admiral, and they will faithfully serve the owner, protecting his power from the "internal enemy", but in the fight against the external enemy, you can only expect defeats.



We will return to the narrow topic of the article on the ratio of losses of Soviet heavy and medium tanks and anti-tank guns of the Reich. By 1 June 1941, the armed forces of the Wehrmacht consisted of 181 - 28-mm, 1047 - 50-mm and 14459 - 37-mm anti-tank guns. In addition, the Germans had several thousand captured PTP: Czech 37-mm and 47-mm PTP, Austrian 47-mm PTP arr. 35 / 36, French 25-mm and 47-mm PTP.

The leadership of the Wehrmacht at the end of 1941 of the year and the first half of 1942 of the year undertook emergency measures to provide the troops with a materiel capable of hitting T-34 and KV tanks. The Germans took two paths: first, they created new ammunition for tank and anti-tank guns that were in service, and secondly, new, more powerful TAPs appeared in the troops.

Tank booking schemes KB


In the ammunition of all tank and anti-tank guns were introduced sabot shells, sharply increased armor penetration, however, at short distances. The guns of caliber 75 mm and above received cumulative projectiles, armor penetration of which did not depend on the firing range. For 37-mm PTP was adopted over-caliber cumulative mine, charged from the barrel. The tabular firing range of such a mine was 300 m, and there is no reason to speak about the rate of fire and accuracy of mine firing. Presumably, the mine was adopted mainly to raise the morale of the calculations.

In 1941-1942, the Germans didn’t follow the path of creating heavy TAPs, hopes for a "blitzkrieg", for light TAPs with a conical bore, and the conservatism of German generals, who are not psychologically ready to move from 37 / 35 CANCER, to two years of shooting tanks all over Europe, to 36-mm or 88-mm guns.

Anti-tank cannons with a conical bore 28 / 20-mm S.Pz.B.41, 42 / 28-mm CANCER 41 and 75 / 55-mm CANCER 41 were, of course, engineering masterpieces. Such trunks consisted of several alternating conical and cylindrical sections. The shells had a special design of the lead, allowing for a reduction in its diameter as the projectile moves along the channel. Thus, the most complete use of the pressure of powder gases to the bottom of the projectile was ensured (by reducing the cross-sectional area of ​​the projectile). In 28-mm PTP arr. 1941 g. Bore was reduced from mm xnumx to mm xnumx; in 28-mm PTP arr. 20 g. - from 42 to 1941 mm; and 42-mm PTP arr. 28 g. - from 75 to 1941 mm.

Padded Soviet tanks KV-1С and Т-34-76


The guns with a tapered barrel ensured good armor penetration at small and medium shooting distances. But their production was very difficult and expensive. Barrel vitality was low - no more than 500 shots, that is, 10-20 times less than conventional PTP. The Germans did not manage to establish large-scale production of such cannons with a tapered barrel, and in 1943, their production was completely stopped.

It should be noted that experiments with cannons with a tapered barrel were also conducted in the USSR. Thus, in 1941-1948, several samples of such tools were developed and tested in the Central Design Bureau of Grabin and in OKB-172, but the management decided that their disadvantages were superior to their merits. In the USSR, guns with a conical canal were not commercialized either during or after the war.

More successful was the use of captured technology. In 1941, the Germans put a 50-mm CANCER 38 on the gun carriage of a French 75-captured divisional cannon arr. 1897 g., Providing it with a muzzle brake. But the most effective German anti-tank gun (up to 1943 of the year) was ... the Soviet X-NUMX-mm divisional gun F-76, which received the German name PAK 22. Several hundred of captured F-36 were redone in PTP both in towed version and on the chassis of T-II and 22 (t) tanks. The Germans squandered the chamber F-38, increased the charge 22 times, set the muzzle brake, reduced the angle of elevation and eliminated the mechanism of variable rollback. It should be noted here that the Germans simply corrected the “whims” of Tukhachevsky and a number of other figures who at one time forced Grabin in such a powerful weapon to use the sleeve of the 2,4 g., Which limited the weight of the charge, and enter the elevation angle + 1900 - ... for firing at airplanes.

SAU Marder II with a captured Soviet gun (full name 7,62 cm PaK (r) auf PzKpfw ll Ausf D Marder II (SdKfz 132). 20 December 1941 of the year Alkett received an order to install a trophy Soviet divisional gun F-22 sample. XNXX FNXX, XNXX, XNXX, XNXX, XNXX) The German light tank chassis PzKpfw ll Ausf D. The F-1936 cannon was seized by the Wehrmacht in the first weeks of the war against the USSR and modernized by the Germans: in particular, the muzzle brake was introduced, and ammunition production was established in Germany. 22 mm armor-piercing the Pzgr 76 projectile left the barrel of this gun at a speed of 39 m / s and at a distance of 740 m punched 1000-mm armor.

Chuck with armor-piercing piercing projectile and over-caliber cumulative mine to the 37-mm anti-tank gun


Soldiers of the German 19 Tank Division induce an 28-mm light anti-tank gun s.Pz.B.41. The 2,8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41 in the Wehrmacht was classified as a heavy anti-tank gun, but since it had all the signs of artillery (projectile shooting, large enough caliber, gun carriage, recoil devices, inability to carry by one person (weight 229 kg), in the Soviet, American documents of the war he was attributed to light anti-tank guns.

As a result, the susceptibility of Soviet heavy and medium tanks grew steadily. So, until September 1942, the through holes of these tanks were 46% and non-through 54% (i.e. most of the projectiles hit did not penetrate the armor), but during the battle for Stalingrad these figures were already 55% and 45%, in Kursk the battle, respectively, 88% and 12%, and finally, in 1944-1945, from 92% to 99,% of the shells that hit heavy and medium tanks pierced their armor.

Light sub-caliber shells often, after breaking through armor, lost most of the kinetic energy and could not destroy the tank. So, at Stalingrad, on one T-34 tank that was put out of action, 4,9 had average shells hit, and in 1944-1945, 1,5-1,8 hits were required for this.

The wounded T-34 tank No.563-74 from the 15-th tank regiment of the 8-th tank division, which crushed the German anti-tank gun PaK-38 during the battle. 25 June 1941, the machine as part of the regiment participated in the battle with the Wehrmacht 97 light infantry division under the settlement of Magerov (22 km east of Nemirov). Also, in the battle, the crew of this tank destroyed the artillery on the basis of the captured French wedge heel “Renault UE”.

The calculation of the German 50-mm anti-tank gun PaK 38 on the Eastern Front at the end of 1942 year


The total destruction of the T-34 tanks occurred only with the simultaneous explosion of the ammunition, which was achieved by direct hit in the ammunition ammunition shells that had after the penetration of armor large kinetic energy or cumulative shells. Hit of small-caliber shells rarely led to an explosion of ammunition on the T-34. Thus, during the Stalingrad operation, the percentage of destroyed tanks of the total number of irretrievable losses was about 1%, and in 1943 in different operations this figure was already 30-40%. It is curious that there were no cases of complete destruction of the T-70 and other light tanks from an explosion of ammunition during the war. By tests, it was found that 45-mm ammunition shells do not detonate. Cases of complete destruction of the KB tanks were slightly less than the T-34, which is explained by the lower residual energy of the projectiles after penetrating thicker armor, which was insufficient for the explosion of ammunition.

Shells for the CANCER 41 gun. From left to right: 75 / 55-mm fragmentation tracer grenade, armor-piercing tracer NK sabot, armor-piercing tracer StK sabot


After only two years of fighting the T-34 and KB tanks, the German leadership decided to switch to tank and anti-tank guns of a caliber over 75 mm. Such tools were created on the basis of 88-mm and 128-mm anti-aircraft guns. By the way, the same was done in the USSR, taking the 85-mm anti-aircraft gun as a basis. 1939. In 1942, the 88-mm tank gun rev.36, mounted on Tiger tanks, was adopted by the Wehrmacht. And in 1943, the 88-mm PTP revision 43 and revision 43 / 41, as well as the 88-mm tank gun, were put into service. obn.xnumx, who had the same ballistics and ammunition. The 43 tank cannon was mounted on the Royal Tiger tanks, and the 43 PTP was mounted on the Elephant, Jagdpanther, Nashorn and Horniss ACSs, as well as on a wheeled gun carriage.

The Germans considered the most favorable distances for firing tanks from their tank and anti-tank artillery, based on its armor piercing ability: for 37-mm and 50-mm guns - 250-300 m; for 75-mm guns - 800-900 m and for 88-mm guns - 1500 m. To fire from long distances was considered impractical.

At the beginning of the war, the shelling distances of our tanks, as a rule, did not exceed 300 m. With the advent of 75 caliber mm and 88 mm guns with an initial speed of an 1000 armor-piercing projectile, the tank shelling distance increased significantly.

The 735 surveys of Soviet-wrecked medium and heavy tanks and SPGs based on them, conducted by our specialists in 1943-1944, showed that the range of shelling of our tanks and SPGs from 75-mm tank and anti-tank guns ranged in most cases from 200 to 1000 and usually did not exceed 1600 m. For 88-mm guns, the distance ranged from 300 to 1400 m and usually did not exceed 1800-2000 m (see Table 1).



Tank IS-2 from the Soviet column moves along the road to the nearest approaches to Tallinn


A rare copy of the tank EC-2. Minsk, parade 1 May 1948 of the year. In the foreground is the IS-2 tank with the “German” type of muzzle brake and the piston shutter of the D-25 cannon, one of the very first EC-2 (EC-122) tanks launched during World War II. Minsk, parade 1 May 1948 of the year.

Reservation of T-34-85 tanks (top) and EC-2




Tank column (tanks T-34-85) "20 years of Soviet Uzbekistan" on the march. 2-th Belarusian Front. From the memoirs of the officer of the 406-th separate machine-gun artillery battalion (OPAB) L.S. Sverdlov: “On the approaches to the town of Sopot, I remember one terrible picture. There is an entire column of our tanks, 20 cars, standing on the road in line, burned by the German“ faoustists. ”There is an inscription on the tanks -“ Twenty years of the Uzbek SSR. ” “There, on the twenty-fifth of March, an unsuccessful assault on the city was undertaken, but the artillery preparation did not reach its goal, many firing points were not suppressed.”



Night attack of Soviet tanks T-34-85 at the station Razdelnaya in the area of ​​Odessa. For lighting, use signal flares. In the background - the building of the station Razdelnaya. 3-th Ukrainian Front


Padded Soviet tanks T-34-85


Soviet tank EC-2 №537 Lieutenant B.I. Degtyarev from the 87-th separate Guards heavy tank regiment, shot down at Striegauer Platz in the German city of Breslau (now Wroclaw, Poland). The tank is known from the photograph of Anatoly Egorov "Musical moment". From 1 to 7, a regiment of 5 tanks EC-2 supported the infantry of the 112 and 359 rifle divisions in the southwestern part of the city. Over the 7 days of fighting, Soviet troops advanced only a few blocks. The tank regiment did not conduct more active operations. The EC-2 in the photo is from the first issues, with a viewing "hatch-plug" of the driver.

The calculation of the German anti-tank gun 7,5 cm PaK 97 / 38. In the background, the anti-tank ACS Marder II. Eastern front


Column on the march during the retreat of German troops from Breslau. Ahead, the Sd.Kfz 10 tractor tows an 75-mm PaK 40 anti-tank gun


Gunners firing from the German 75-mm anti-tank gun PaK 40. The calculation is German-Romanian: the commander and the gunner (on the left) are in German uniform, and the three on the right (loader and ammunition carriers) are in Romanian (windings on legs, characteristic belts). Soviet-Romanian border area

Consider the distribution of the loss of T-34 tanks from different calibers of guns during the war - see Table 2. Thus, starting with the Battle of Oryol 1943, the tanks suffered the greatest losses from tank and anti-tank guns of the 75 caliber and 88 mm.

In total, the USSR entered the war with 22,6 thousands of all types of tanks. During the war, 86,1 thousand arrived and 83,5 thousands were lost (see Table 3 and 4). The irretrievable loss of tanks remaining on the territory after the battle amounted to 44 as a whole of all combat losses, and specifically for T-34 - 44%.

Combat losses of our tanks in 1943-1945 by types of weapons: from artillery fire - 88-91%; from mines and landmines - 8-4%; from bombs and artillery fire aviation - 4-5%. The cause of more than 90% of the irretrievable losses was artillery fire.

These data are averaged and in some cases there were significant deviations. So, in 1944, on the Karelian front, mine losses amounted to 35% of combat losses.

Losses from bombs and artillery fire of aviation only in some cases reached 10-15%. As an example, you can bring experienced shooting at the NIIBT training ground when, in a quiet environment, from a 300 distance from 400 shots of LaGG-35 aircraft guns hit the 3 fixed tanks of the projectile, and from the IL-3 cannons you shot 2 projectile from 3.

German artillery positions southwest of Rzhev. In the center, mounted on direct 88-mm anti-aircraft gun (8,8 cm FlaK 36 / 37). On the barrel of the gun mark about the gun down technique






German anti-tank towed guns of the period of the 2 th World War

The gunners of the 29 th motorized division of the Wehrmacht from an ambush shot Soviet tanks into the board of an 50-mm PaK 38 cannon. The nearest tank on the left is the T-34. Belarus, 1941 year


The calculation of the German anti-tank 37-mm gun PaK 35 / 36 on the position


The Soviet T-34 tank crushes a German lightweight anti-tank cannon PaK 35 / 36 caliber 37 mm, which was called the "beater"


Calculation of 75-mm anti-tank gun PaK 40 fights with the Soviet troops in Budapest. Soldiers, judging by the form - from the SS troops


German 88-mm anti-tank gun PaK 43, mounted on a position on the bank of the Dnieper
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  1. Shuhrat turani
    +3
    28 May 2012 10: 32
    Technologically, the Germans certainly surpassed all the allies ... Only resources were not enough ... But, on the other hand, would the Germans improve their weapons if they had the same resource base as the USSR?
    1. Gym teacher
      -19
      29 May 2012 16: 52
      At the end of June 1941, during the first four days of the war, 10 of the 363 tanks were left in the 39th Panzer Division out of XNUMX tanks.
      But out of 864 trucks of the 10th Panzer Division, 613 vehicles came to the Dnieper. Why do we need trucks? To drape. Russian tankers threw their best tanks in the world and fled. No one wanted to fight for Stalin, who robbed the Russian people of freedom, property and life.
      1. +1
        29 May 2012 17: 37
        Quote: Fizruk
        Nobody wanted to fight for Stalin,


        Himself not funny? Who then killed the Germans? Knocked out 2000 tanks (no need to yell --- there wasn’t --- the battlefield remained with the Germans, so they repaired)
        Quote: Fizruk
        363 tanks after four days of war left 39.
        But from the 864 trucks of the 10-th Panzer Division over the Dnieper came 613 vehicles

        It would be interesting where the information came from - and if this is true, then only an indicator of the technical malfunctions of the tanks — it’s even more convenient to run on a super-duper BT fast-freeway tank.
        1. Gym teacher
          -7
          29 May 2012 21: 51
          Quote: Kars
          Who then killed the Germans?

          Zealots, of whom there were a minority. Or guard, who made sense to fight for your ass. The remaining Soviet soldiers fled or surrendered

          Quote: Kars
          knocked out 2000 tanks

          Ah, 2 thousand .... knocked out ... laughing On June 22, there were 11000 Soviet tanks of I and II categories (i.e. new) in the western districts, of which at least one third were the best vehicles in the world of T-34, KV, BT-7M, BT-7 ... . and TOTAL 2000 padded laughing Wehrmacht tanks.

          Of the 2000 German "knocked out" tanks - half were out of order due to malfunctions, the Germans marched thousands of kilometers to Moscow.

          The Soviet tankers didn’t seem to really want to fight for Stalin. Only 10-15% of the most fanatical communists somehow knocked out (did not destroy) 2000 German shameful armor, such as the T-1 and T-2 wedges.

          Quote: Kars
          only indicator of technical malfunctions of tanks

          300 TANKS ?? FOR 4 DAY ?? STANDING ONE PLACE ??
          1. +1
            29 May 2012 22: 12
            Quote: Fizruk
            Zealots, of whom there were a minority. Or the guard who made sense to fight for your ass


            You are awesome about our veterans. My grandfather would have slammed you for this, probably because of the panic of people like you he was captured under Rava-Russoy.
            Quote: Fizruk
            Aha, 2 thousands ... were shot down ... In the western districts on June 22 there were 11000 Soviet tanks of the 1st and 2nd category (i.e. new), of which at least a third are the best vehicles in the world of the T-34, KV, BT-7M, BT-7 .... and TOTAL 2000 wrecked tanks of the Wehrmacht.


            As much as you could, but don’t try to wave it here — you don’t know them.
            Quote: Fizruk
            Only 10-15% of the most fanatical communists somehow knocked out (did not destroy) 2000 German infamous armor, such as the T-1 and T-2 wedges

            These shameful panzers brought France to its knees --- it goes there at all and there were no fanatics to fight for democracy.
            Quote: Fizruk
            300 TANKS ?? FOR 4 DAY ?? STANDING ONE PLACE ??

            Yes, maybe a third there even couldn’t get out of the park --- and the source source - something quickly got to the Dnieper --- from where, or did the Germans reach the border from the Dnieper in 4 days?
            1. +3
              29 May 2012 22: 23
              “In total, the N-th division had 215 tanks. The only infantry unit was a motorized infantry battalion transported by bus! There were practically no radio stations in the division, and orders were delivered to the units by cyclists. The artillery of the division consisted of several parts of the reserve. Supply and maintenance services practically did not exist ”[118].

              Strange as it may seem to some readers, this quote is not about the Red Army at all. The mentioned division was commanded by a man with a completely uncharacteristic French name de Gaulle for the Red Army.

              Before the start of World War II, another country met the German Blitzkrieg. In May 1940, long before the Barbarossa, the German army launched an offensive under the Gelb plan.

              Wherein:

              1) We were not talking about any surprise of the attack - the war was declared long ago and lasted for more than six months.

              2) Neither in France nor in England in the XX century there were neither revolutions nor civil wars. Nobody shot officers with the experience of the First World War and did not “squeeze” them into exile.

              3) The Allies did not prepare for the offensive on Germany at the end of May on the 1940, at least with a landmark discovery regarding the existence of such insidious plans, not a single Monsieur Victor Napoleon has made the world happy.

              4) The French soldiers were supposed to fight not for the bloody dictator Albert Lebrun, but for the completely democratic Third Republic.

              Moreover, in addition to purely quantitative superiority, the Allies also had an overwhelming, or rather, crushing, qualitative superiority. The French were armed with their "T-34" - medium tanks Somua S35 - 47-mm gun, speed under 40 km / h, 40 mm inclined frontal armor. There was simply no similar serial tank in other countries at that time. The “cavalry-infantry” Hotchkiss N35 and N39 - 40 mm of frontal armor looked a little worse, with the speed of the last model for 35 km / h.

              The French also had their own “KV” - the “infantry” tank Renault B 1bis, which had 60-mm frontal armor, 47-mm gun in the turret and 75-mm gun in the hull. On the 10 of May 1940 of these "French HFs" there were 208 pieces in the troops.

              Looking ahead, we note that the fighting episodes with their participation are similar to the similar battles of the Soviet KV like two drops of water. Here, for example, is the Renault tank In 1bis "Eure" under the command of Captain Billotte. On 16 on May 1940, in the vicinity of the village of Stonne, he almost completely destroyed the convoy of the 8th Tank Regiment of the 10th Tank Division of the Wehrmacht. During the battle in a narrow village street, French tankers shot down 2 Pz.IV, 11 Pz.III and destroyed two 37-mm anti-tank guns. After the battle, 140 dents were counted on the tower and the Renault hull, but not a single hole was missing.

              And the crews of tanks In 1bis, Mistral and Tunisie staged a rout of a German convoy, consisting of tanks, armored cars and trucks, in the village of Landrecies, south of Mormal Forest, on 17 day on May 1940 of the year. Within about half an hour, the crews of just two vehicles destroyed over 50 trucks, tractors and armored personnel carriers, several Pz.I and Pz.II tanks and six 37-mm anti-tank guns of the German 7-th tank division. And again, German shells left a lot of dents on French tanks, but not a single hole. Well, why are lieutenants Pompier (Pompier) and Godet (Gaudet) not French Kolobanov?

          2. 0
            31 May 2012 03: 30
            You’re still a fool, by the beginning of the war the KV and T-34 in the whole army were only 1861 pieces. And in the western districts there were only 1475 of them. The rest of the t-26 and BT. And it does not pull a third or a quarter. And less than 15%. In addition, most of this amount was delivered to the troops 2-3 months before the start of the war. In addition, the first 34 were very raw + untrained crew. The arrival of some crews was 5 hours.
            Losses of Germans in tanks can be estimated based on their presence at the beginning and end of the period of interest. As of June 1941, the Germans had about 5000 of their own and Czechoslovak vehicles. In addition, in Halder's record of December 23, 1940, the number 4930 captured vehicles, mainly French, is indicated. Only about 10000 cars. At the end of 1941, German tank troops were equipped with tanks for 20-30%, that is, about 3000 vehicles remained in stock. Halder also writes about this. Even without taking into account the tanks released during the six months by German industry, without taking into account the Soviet captured tanks used by the Germans, Soviet troops irrevocably destroyed about 7000 German vehicles. If we add 3800 tanks produced by German industry in the second half of 1941 and 1300 Soviet captured tanks by the Germans at storage bases, we get more than 12000 destroyed German cars in the first six months of the war.
            And the fact that people did not want to fight for Stalin is nonsense even worse than the sheep’s nonsense. Such as you, maybe they didn’t want, the family has its black sheep.
      2. Opertak
        +3
        29 May 2012 20: 31
        And they say that physical instructors are distinguished by intelligence and quick wit ... they make a mistake, however :))


        On August 20, 1941, on the approaches to Leningrad, the commander of a tank company of an incomplete composition Zinoviy Kolobanov fought a battle that has no analogues in military history, destroying 43 companies in it and 22 fascist tanks with its crew.
        And what is an incomplete tank company? These are 5 (FIVE!) Tanks - one in each platoon. So calculate the average result! And this is just one example, and if you read Halder’s diaries, you can see that this polished scoundrel was frightened by the courage and heroism of our tankers already in early July 1941.
        1. Gym teacher
          -11
          29 May 2012 21: 53
          Quote: OperTak
          On August 20, 1941, on the approaches to Leningrad, the commander of a tank company of an incomplete composition Zinoviy Kolobanov fought a battle that has no analogues in military history, destroying 43 companies in it and 22 fascist tanks with its crew.


          Quote: OperTak
          this is just one example


          The remaining 10000 crews of Soviet tanks abandoned equipment and fled, not wanting to die for Great Stalin
          1. Opertak
            +2
            29 May 2012 22: 16
            It was the courage and heroism of the Soviet tankers, who preferred to be burned alive in tanks than to surrender to the enemy, made Colonel-General Halder first doubt the correctness of the outbreak of war with the USSR - read his military diaries.

            You, as I understand it, are "belolentochnik" with Bolotnaya, then you are clearly not here, they are waiting for those on Echo of Moscow :))
            1. +1
              29 May 2012 22: 58
              OperTak, why do you value people so primitively, here I am a white-winged painter, although I live in Kazan, and Echo of Moscow is my radio, and I see the position of Fizruk as strange and provocative - and you are being treated like a child. Well, he believes that his vision is correct - so full of people he believes that everything has always been (and is) the best thing - that we backed up to Moscow. People are different, there are many points of view, they are all subjective, even veterans cannot tell the truth about the war — each has its own substitution effect — they remember not how it was, but how it was said many times and years later. So, you need to be calmer ...
              1. Opertak
                +1
                30 May 2012 00: 14
                Quote: alex86
                OperTak, why do you value people so primitively,

                You are absolutely wrong. It was this position of compromise that brought the USSR to collapse. You forget a simple thing: In the beginning there was a word ... (C) Therefore, such scoundrels need to shut up their mouths immediately and decisively, otherwise tomorrow you’ll wake up in the Kazan Khanate and I’m sure that you won’t like it - listeners of Echo of Moscow will be the first to cut their throats. Sorry, maybe rude, but true.
                1. CC-18a
                  +2
                  30 May 2012 04: 40
                  You're right!
                  Quote: OperTak
                  otherwise tomorrow you’ll wake up in the Kazan Khanate and I’m sure you won’t like it there - the throats will be the first to cut the throats of the listeners of Echo of Moscow. Sorry, maybe rude, but true.

                  They’ll cut it, I’ll tell everyone such a rake.
                2. 0
                  30 May 2012 07: 30
                  The fact is that shutting up is no longer possible - the world has changed and we are on the Internet. It would be better not to support discussions of this kind, you only give them strength. And briefly, in order not to support our unproductive discussion - my Homeland is also the USSR, and I was also deprived of it, and I also did not like it, and the Kazan Khanate does not suit me either. But the existing power does not suit me either, and in it I see a desire (possibly unconscious) for further disintegration for the sake of filling my pockets. Therefore, white ribbons and the Echo of Moscow ...
                  1. Opertak
                    0
                    30 May 2012 07: 42
                    alex86, I also see no reason in the discussion with you, you have a split personality - you imagine yourself a democrat (white ribbons and Echo of Moscow), but deny the power chosen according to the democratic procedure. About fraud is not necessary - not a ride, there are no fools :))
                    1. 0
                      30 May 2012 19: 58
                      Similarly
          2. +2
            29 May 2012 22: 31
            Quote: Fizruk
            The remaining 10000 crews of Soviet tanks abandoned equipment and fled, not wanting to die for Great Stalin


            Straight 10 000?

            So the Germans fought with ghosts? Whom did the German ASA tanks beat up? How did they reflect the waves of Soviet tanks from the anti-aircraft guns?


            In my opinion, a physical education instructor is engaged in sports without a mat and often hits his head on hard surfaces.

            Information on the losses of materiel of the 23th Panzer Division for the period from 22.6 to 13.7.41 of the year.
            Explanatory note

            Cars left in winter apartments:

            15 T-26 tanks: 3 vehicles of the 45 tank regiment and 12 vehicles of the 144 tank regiment.

            All of the above machines were awaiting average repairs, including 3 machines requiring major repairs.

            Tank repairs were started, all parts and assemblies that were available in the division were replaced, the delay was due to the lack of engines, piston group, final drive bearings, final drive oil seals, cardan joint bearings, heating chambers and a number of other details, which were not available.

            Part of the above parts and assemblies were sent from warehouse No. 942, but by the time of the performance they had not been received by the division.

            Before the occupation of Telskaya, the 12 tanks of the 144 tank regiment were concentrated on Art. Telsai to be sent for overhaul to industrial plants. It was possible to load only the 3 of the tank, as Komkov, the senior command of the military technician of the 1 rank, was ordered to finish loading and leave Telsai with the recommended representative of the District Military Council - the battalion commissar [227].

            4 tractors SKhTZ and 1 ChTZ-60 required major repairs, the district planned for July to be sent to industrial plants.

            From 12 ZiS-5 8 machines [overhaul] were required, 4 medium, overhauls were received from UABTV [228] Districts for overhaul, 4 cars required average repair, but due to lack of machine parts they were not on go in anticipation of an average repair.

            3 pontoon ZiS-5, 1 M-1 remained in winter apartments due to lack of rubber.

            3 all-terrain vehicle ZiS-5 - not on the move in anticipation of an average [repair] - change of rear axles, which the division did not have.

            16 pieces of motorcycles were waiting for repairs, the lack of parts delayed timely recovery.

            Of the total number of wheeled vehicles, 13 machines were repaired in the RBW, some had the chassis repaired, engine blocks were bored, that is, everything was prepared for the assembly of the machines, but due to the lack of a number of machine parts, they were not assembled at the time of the RBW’s performance with Quarters

            Losses of cars due to technical malfunctions, from artillery fire and aircraft:

            T-26 18 cars: 9 cars spoiling engines, 3 cars gasoline pump bodies burst, 1 spoiled, 2 spoiled chassis, 1 gas tank rupture, 1 ignition damage, 1 stuck in a cuvette during the retreat of our parts.

            Of the total number of 18 machines, 9 vehicles were sent to SPAM, some of the machines were disassembled for repair, but the threat of being cut off forced them to destroy the tanks, frequent movement of the division, the rapid advance of the enemy and the lack of evacuation facilities did not allow the tanks to be repaired or evacuated.

            The rest of the 9 vehicles were left to cover the departure of our units, as a rule, tanks from the rear marching outpost remained. Lost tanks with artillery fire from unoccupied territory by the enemy, as a rule, were towed out of the battlefield, when marching, lined tanks were also towed by tanks, but when they entered the battle they were left behind and in most cases were cut off by the enemy, and especially during the march in front of the enemy’s front.

            When marching from under Madona, 15 T-26 tanks were towed in tow, which reduced the speed of the column by 2-3 times, and also led to severe overheating of the towing vehicles.

            The continuous operation of the tanks in the absence of spare parts led to the fact that most of the remaining vehicles required engine rebuilding due to falling out of the saddles of the cylinders, because of the remaining 44 12 machines were not underway, the rest worked on 2-3 cylinders, and when towing such vehicles towing tanks due to excessive overheating, they usually light up.

            If there were tractors in the towing division, all tanks that were pulled out of the battlefield and failed for technical reasons on the way would be evacuated to the rear and restored, which would reduce the total losses in the tanks by 30 – 40%.

            14 STZ-5 tractors were lost from enemy artillery fire while encircling and leaving the 3 battery and 23 park battery of howitzer artillery regiment, in the same battle 10 trucks, 1 M-1 and 14 park battery trailers were lost. The remaining transport vehicles are lost from enemy fire in the period from 22.6 to 13.7.41 of the year.

            Transferred to other parts:

            2 battalion of tanks in the number of 87 vehicles T-26, 1 "Vickers" from the 144 tank regiment, by order of the commander of the 8 army, were transferred to the 10 rifle corps. 3 of the T-26 tank transferred to the headquarters of the 12 mechanized corps. 136 trucks, 1 M-1 vehicles, 2 ZiS-5 tanks were transferred according to the order of the UABTV of the North-Western Front to form the 202 motorized rifle regiment. 45 ZiS-5 trucks were removed from the TEP in the Telshai region by order of a member of the Military Council of the North-Western Front for the transport of shells. The 1 ZiS-6 vehicle was taken on the road to the 463 infantry regiment, Colonel Zhivykh, recommended by the representative of the 8 army headquarters.

            25 trucks and 1 tractor were taken in transit under the threat of weapons, including: 5 vehicles by the NKVD detachment of Riga, 1 tractor in the Telsai area of ​​the guard detachment commanders, 2 vehicles of the artillery regiment commanders, other vehicles were picked up by various persons.

            207 trucks, 2 tractors STZ-5, 4 tractors T-20, 1 passenger M-1, workshop "A" GAZ-AAA, tank ZiS-5, radio station 5-AK GAZ-AAA, sanitary GAZ-AAA before motorized rifle regiment in the 23 infantry corps, 10 infantry division and 90 motorized infantry division.

            1. +2
              29 May 2012 22: 46
              Fighting for the small Ukrainian city of Nemirov, where tankers of the 71th mechanized corps of General Vlasov acted as a typical example, both in style and in the result achieved, of the actions of Soviet tank troops in the early days of the war, were battles for the small Ukrainian city of Nemirov. This case, we recall once again, belonged to the first wave of formation, had both T-4, and KB, and surpassed everyone in the Kiev district in terms of equipment with technology. It is not surprising that the results of the battle for the “Russian Verdun” remained captured in numerous photographs - both the tanks that were knocked down and mired in the swamp, and the broken guns and vehicles pressed into the street dust by their tracks.

              The Germans were the first to enter the city - the advanced units of the 211 infantry regiment. These included the 2 platoon of the anti-tank company, which had 4 37-mm "beater" and 2 more powerful 50-mm RaK.38. Closer to noon, the anti-tank division of the 71 infantry division also reached the city, but this unit did not even have time to fully get into the city when signal missiles took off from the outskirts in front of them. A few minutes later, Soviet tanks rumbled through the city streets.

              It was the battalion of the 16-th tank regiment. Whose order they carried out, who gave it and why they were there at all - there is currently no information. It is only known that in Nemirov they met the dream of any tanker - marching columns that did not have time to turn around the enemy. Only a few calculations of the “beater” managed to at least “smooth the score”, having managed to knock out two T-28 before they were shot by tanks.

              After almost an hour's battle, the remaining tanks of the 16-th tank regiment passed through the city and continued to move west. Before the next wave of Russian tanks arrived, the Germans had about half an hour - and 4 surviving anti-tank guns, of which only one was the 50-mm RaK.38. It would seem that the Germans simply have no chance to survive.

              However, the reality of the summer of 1941 was noticeably more complicated than the tables from the directories. The 53 tank regiment approaching the city regularly had 108 BT-7 tanks, plus 2 medium T-34 and 4 heavy T-35 as amplification. Everything else was much worse: to help his tankmen, the commander of the 81 Motorized Division was able to single out only one company of infantry and one artillery division (the latter, however, did not manage to arrive at the battlefield). The regiment went to Nemirov with the task of destroying the enemy. He carried out reconnaissance, but did not find out the enemy’s fire weapons. I did not use infantry for tanks for the gradual capture of houses. The construction of tanks "herringbone" when driving on the streets (according to the Charter) is not organized. As a result, the 1-I company of the 1-th battalion was ambushed and almost all were destroyed. Some vehicles reached Rynok Square and the southeastern outskirts, where they fought independently. After a two-hour battle, the regiment retreated, having lost on the streets of the city and on the approaches to it 25 tanks and two armored vehicles. An infantry company trying to support the attack of its tankers lost 60% of its composition. Three more “floats” of the T-37 lost the reconnaissance battalion of the 81 division.

              After the retreat of the 53 regiment, the Germans were finally able to seriously organize the defense of Nemirov. To make up for the losses, the anti-tank company of the 194 infantry regiment was pulled into the city. Now the total number of anti-tank guns has reached twenty-two, three of which were 50-mm RaK.38. Very on time - the German infantry, which advanced east after the BT’s withdrawal, already met Russian tanks in the woods after a kilometer and a half — this time with the T-34.

              These were the tanks of the 15-th tank regiment of the 8-th tank division. Located in the neighboring town of Magerov, the regiment in 12.00 received orders to move to Yazuv Stary. His route was laid just through Nemirov. In 15.00, the commander of the 15 tank regiment found out that in Nemirov the 53 tank regiment was fighting the enemy, while losing the 22 BT. The 15 tank regiment was tasked with covering the withdrawal of units of the 81 motorized rifle division.

              The commander of the 8-th tank regiment did not have time for detailed reconnaissance of the terrain in the area of ​​the city, so the combat mission to the tankers of the 15-th tank regiment was set on the map. Alas, the degree of bogging of the valley flowing near the city of the river on this map was not reflected. Almost all the tanks attacking from the right flank fell into a natural trap and got stuck. The remaining “thirty-fours” had to attack the positions of camouflaged anti-tank guns in the forehead - in the narrow city streets, through the smoke from the burning houses. In addition to the city, the artillery regiment of the German division managed to come up and a flurry of fire from heavy howitzers fell on the tanks sandwiched between the marshy sections.

              Apparently, this played a decisive role in ending the attack. After almost an hour of battle, the Soviet tanks retreated. Losses of the 8-th Panzer Division amounted to 19 "thirty-four." For most T-34, the reason for the loss was a swamp [308] not marked on the map. However, the Germans also left Nemirov - the city, destroyed by the fire of tanks and artillery, became no man's land, on the eastern outskirts of which tankers tried to pull out at least part of the cars stuck in the swamp, and the Germans who retreated northwest of Nemirov frantically created another anti-tank “hedgehog”.

              A characteristic feature of the battle for Nemirov is the fact that Soviet tanks were stopped (and some of them were destroyed) not by enemy "armor", but by the Wehrmacht infantry division. Even in unfavorable layouts for them, the Germans were able to create a stable anti-tank defense, which, contrary to the pre-war dreams of Soviet theorists, could not cope alone with new anti-ballistic reservation tanks. For tanks of the old types, the fire of German anti-tank guns actually did not leave any hope of achieving at least some results.

              But, perhaps, an even more important factor than the number of anti-tank guns was the level of training of German tank destroyers and German infantry in general - compared to the Red Army!

          3. 0
            31 May 2012 08: 21
            Fizrk go run, as long as the brain jammed.
          4. Starcom1183
            0
            19 June 2012 17: 16
            They fled ... fled from fear ... fled like you, mean and hypocritical creatures!
      3. +1
        30 May 2012 05: 01
        Quote: Fizruk
        Russian tankers threw their best tanks in the world and fled.


        despite the USSR’s presence of heavy KV tanks at the beginning of the war, the main reason for their loss was their problems with the quality of the material part ... engine and transmission parts failed ... in addition, due to the destruction of infrastructure and the destruction of fuel depots, it was impossible to refuel the tanks .. in such conditions the crew naturally left the car ... so there was nothing to do with the desire or lack of it to fight for Stalin .. your vyser was not counted ...
        1. 77bor1973
          0
          30 May 2012 09: 50
          Before the war, the tank troops ordered that the new tanks not be driven without special need, and to use the old T-26 and BT for training, as a result of which many tankers had little knowledge of the T-34 and KV materiel. It came to the point that the T-34 and KV sometimes refueled with gasoline! The main problem in the operation of the T-34 was a 4-speed gearbox and an unfinished clutch. Judging by the stories of the veterans themselves, for the Germans it didn’t cost 200km to drive, but something must fall off here!
          1. Alf
            0
            3 June 2012 21: 09
            Cases of refueling KV and T-34 were often in the war and the point is not in Russian technical illiteracy, but in the fact that there was no diesel fuel at the moment. In addition, in 42, some batches of KV and T-34 were produced with gasoline engines M-17 due to the lack of diesel engines. And how did the veterans know that the Germans traveled 200 km without problems? Did the Germans tell them?
      4. 37dmds
        +1
        31 May 2012 01: 03
        It’s necessary to write such crap. With a comment of about twenty years Fizruk was late for that.
    2. +3
      29 May 2012 21: 51
      I do not quite agree with you. Quite the opposite, Soviet technology was very easy to manufacture and maintainable even in the field. As for the German tanks, in particular, they were quite technologically complex, because of which the Germans could not organize its mass production, and also required qualified specialists and often factory conditions for repair. In addition, in my opinion the Germans made a strategic mistake, betting on powerful armor and a cannon with a high initial projectile velocity, because of this they turned out to be overweight, the undercarriage often failed, besides they had a small power reserve, for example, the Panther tank , which was considered the best among the Germans, it was only 150 km. , and the "Tiger" tank did not even fit into the railway dimensions, and during transportation they put on special narrow transport tracks. Imagine what it was like for the mechanics and technical services. Yes, I agree, they were very serious opponents, but during the war years the USSR produced almost 2 times more tanks than Germany and practically won due to the number, and the T-34 tank optimally combined firepower, strong armor protection and high mobility and patency on the battlefield.
      1. Gym teacher
        -5
        29 May 2012 22: 03
        Quote: bistrov.
        and the T-34 tank optimally combined firepower, strong armor protection and high mobility and patency on the battlefield.


        The tale is well thought out. Suffice it to hear nonsense about "" the optimal combination of mobility and firepower. "
        The number of losses of the T-34 suggests that it was not a "workhorse". He was cannon fodder
        1. 77bor1973
          +1
          30 May 2012 10: 06
          the fact of the matter is that it was a "workhorse", if the tank did not burn out when hit by a shell, then it was easily restored, and the T-34 in this sense is terribly simple! At the expense of losses, if a tank is hit, this does not mean that everyone dies, some commanders changed 2 vehicles per battle! After the Kursk Bulge, most of the tanks were restored!
        2. Alf
          0
          2 June 2012 00: 53
          Of the 2680 Panthers evacuated to the rear, 110 (one hundred and ten) units were returned — a perfect tank for a big war.
  2. +1
    28 May 2012 10: 46
    The article is good. I gave the author a "+" for an interesting analysis. I will not comment on the fabrications about the beginning of the war and the qualities of fascist technology. The author is apparently far from understanding the term "SUDDENESS".
    1. +10
      28 May 2012 11: 39
      Quote: AK-74-1
      The author is apparently far from understanding the term "SUDDENESS".

      As for quality, there is a very good book, it would be a good complement to this article.

      Unfortunately, German tactics, and the established interaction between the arms of the army, were able to overcome the qualitative characteristics of the new Soviet tanks.
      At the same time, technical lack of training, the lack of trained personnel and the methodology for their training (it was necessary to train the tankers on the T-26 for the T-34) were not allowed to use the superior qualities of the T-34 and KVA tanks to the full extent, and the technical advantages to 1942 were no longer It was.
    2. prispek
      0
      28 May 2012 23: 55
      What "SUDDENESS" are you talking about? Doesn't this myth still work?
      1. +3
        29 May 2012 09: 04
        surprise is the first strike on an unaware, not fired enemy and this is not a myth, but reality. Any first strike has an advantage if the opponent is not prepared. And if we take into account the level of education in the Red Army, Russian slovenliness, lack of preparedness of the Red Army, technical superiority of the Wehrmacht, violation of command and control, superiority in communications, all this predetermined the first failures of the USSR and only iron will, ruthlessness of the high command and the organizing role of the All-Union Communist Party of the Bolsheviks, endless patience Russian people, allowed to restore the country's defense and ultimate victory. I wonder if United Russia was able to mobilize people in such a situation?
        1. 0
          29 May 2012 15: 07
          Surprise is certainly a good thing, but let me disagree with your comment. As for technical superiority, this is a myth of the times of the USSR. Compare the performance characteristics of the German T-3 and T-4 tanks of the early years of production and the tanks of the USSR and you will understand that the performance characteristics of them were equal to it., As well as to all foreign models of the beginning of the war. As for the availability of automatic weapons, this is also a cinema production. According to the staff schedule of the Wehrmacht in the infantry division, only the squad leader had an automatic rifle, while in the Red Army there were automatic rifles SVT in service. What allowed to create a greater weight of a second volley. The superiority in tanks, artillery and aircraft was so great that you could just shoot down one aircraft using 5-6 of our albeit obsolete aircraft.
          As for the temporary victories of Germany. Here it is necessary to ask why on the Bialystok ledge to keep 4 Soviet field armies. although it is clear that straightening the front line will increase the density of troops, and why in the first echelon there are 7 mechanized corps on the western front? My opinion is that Stalin himself wanted to carry out a wax operation, and the Germans simply chose a good moment to start the war. At the time of formation and to the concentration of shock groups, a blow was dealt. And then everyone knows everything.
          1. 77bor1973
            0
            30 May 2012 10: 10
            Suvorov read, well, well!
  3. +7
    28 May 2012 10: 57
    Good, informative article.
    1. +5
      28 May 2012 21: 04
      But the most important thing is that the non-war unmobilized Red Army faced the two-year-old army
      But what about Spain, Halkin Goal, Finland?
      The rest is an interesting article, but refrained from evaluating.
      1. prispek
        +2
        29 May 2012 00: 01
        I agree with you. And the Wehrmacht did not fight for two years.
      2. CC-18a
        0
        29 May 2012 07: 16
        The Red Army was not mobilized by the beginning of the war.
        The Wehrmacht was mobilized by the beginning of 41 because it was in full combat readiness and at war, in contrast to the USSR.
        The personnel of the Red Army divisions by June 22, 41 was 1,5-2 times lower in number than the composition of the Wehrmacht divisions.

        For the USSR, the current Finland was an experience, this experience fades away before the experience of the Wehrmacht war against France, England, Poland, Norway, and a number of other countries. So the combat experience of the Red Army in comparison with the Wehrmacht is so significant that it can be considered that it does not exist, not because there was no experience, but because, compared to the Germans, it is insignificant. As Einstein said, everything is relative.
        1. SIT
          -1
          29 May 2012 13: 05
          Quote: CC-18a
          The Red Army was not mobilized by the beginning of the war; the Wehrmacht was mobilized by the beginning of 41

          This is a lead in deployment. The basis of the blitzkrieg. Designed in 1911. Exactly in the same way, everything rolled in Poland and France. Really in the Red Army did not know this and did not read or analyze the European victories of Hitler?
          1. CC-18a
            +1
            30 May 2012 04: 45
            A declaration of mobilization is considered a declaration of war, in which case a preemptive strike on a mobilizing country is considered correct and not condemned.
            In addition, the mobilization carried out leaves no chance but to start a war for those who mobilized the army, mobilization is a state of war! No one in their right mind will mobilize and demobilize just like that.

            Didn’t you know and read about it?
            And so you can judge the apostle master ... the current would be better if they were silent, otherwise they showed themselves not only stupidly, but it went!
      3. +1
        29 May 2012 09: 12
        Battleship, and that on the western border there were troops with experience in fighting in Spain, Mongolia, Finland
      4. +2
        29 May 2012 13: 14
        Quote: Drednout
        But what about Spain, Halkin Goal, Finland?

        In these conflicts, the armed forces of the USSR did not participate in full strength. In Finland and Mongolia, hostilities were carried out by the forces of the districts, there is no need to talk about Spain. The military vehicle of the USSR by June 22.06, 1941 had not yet been mobilized and launched. But the "Wehrmacht" is another matter . For two years he fought throughout Europe.
        1. Gym teacher
          -6
          29 May 2012 17: 05
          Quote: revnagan
          In these conflicts, the armed forces of the USSR did not participate in full strength. In Finland and Mongolia, hostilities were carried out by the forces of the districts, there is no need to talk about Spain. The military vehicle of the USSR by June 22.06, 1941 had not yet been mobilized and launched. But the "Wehrmacht" is another matter . For two years he fought throughout Europe.


          laughing
          For the first two years of World War II in the west. Wehrmacht lost 40 people in battle. Over the same period, the Red Army lost 000 people in battles in Finland, Manchuria, the Piribaltic and Poland.
      5. Gym teacher
        -5
        29 May 2012 17: 02
        Quote: Drednout
        But the most important thing is that the non-war unmobilized Red Army faced the two-year-old army


        From September 1939 to June 22, 1941, the Wehrmacht lost 40 in battle. Over the same period, the Red Army lost 000 people in battles in Finland, Manchuria, the Piribaltic and Poland.

        The Red Army had a HUGE BATTLE EXPERIENCE by June 22
        1. +2
          29 May 2012 17: 40
          Quote: Fizruk
          The Red Army had a HUGE BATTLE EXPERIENCE by June 22


          A funny conclusion from the fact that the Red Army had big losses --- and the Finnish war gave the experience of breaking through long-term defense, not a maneuvering blitzkrieg.

          And by the way, on the basis of comprehending this experience, the reorganization of the Red Army began, in the midst of which the Germans struck. Not talking about the 700-900 thousand new recruits in the western districts (and there were a lot of people called from the newly joined regions there — a stupid mistake)
          1. Gym teacher
            -3
            29 May 2012 21: 56
            Quote: Kars
            A funny conclusion from the fact that the Red Army had big losses --- and the Finnish war gave the experience of breaking through long-term defense, not a maneuvering blitzkrieg.


            Khalkhin-Gol gave an excellent combat experience of maneuver warfare. Poland - Soviet Blitzkrieg

            Quote: Kars
            the conclusion that the Red Army had great losses

            So a huge number of soldiers of the Red Army had a real military experience

            Quote: Kars
            And by the way, on the basis of comprehension of this experience, the reorganization of the Red Army began

            And what was the "reorganization of the Red Army"? Disbanded bulky mechanized corps? No. Thousands of new tanks? So this is a continuous process in the USSR since the beginning of the 30s
            1. +1
              31 May 2012 09: 59
              Quote: Fizruk
              Khalkhin Gol gave an excellent combat experience of maneuver warfare

              Really good --- revealed the unsuitability of BT tanks to breakthrough even weak Japanese anti-tank missiles
              Quote: Fizruk
              Poland - Soviet Blitzkrieg

              The Poles did not resist, Then the Germans need to add the Anschluss of Austria and Czechoslovakia.
              Quote: Fizruk
              So a huge number of soldiers of the Red Army had a real military experience

              Dead to regret it is very difficult to convey their experience, and again a rather narrow experience.
              Quote: Fizruk
              And what was the "reorganization of the Red Army"?

              it was very large-scale, new charters, new states. Unfortunately, this introduced a lot of confusion when mashing parts.

              But by the way, your comments are just a litmus which shows that people can be limited as resunoids; they are incapable of drawing conclusions based on various sources, but they will push water in a mortar.
  4. rainer
    +5
    28 May 2012 11: 30
    Oh, I see Shirokorad and got to here. The author knows the materiel well at home, his books are on the table, but he does not always make the right conclusions ...
    1. +6
      28 May 2012 14: 29
      Quote: Rainger
      he does not always make the right conclusions ...


      He wouldn’t have climbed into these very conclusions for good reason.
      1. Kibb
        +6
        28 May 2012 14: 35
        Quote: Vadivak
        He wouldn’t have climbed into these very conclusions

        He wouldn’t climb anywhere except artillery
        But he reads very well - I like to delve into his books
        1. +4
          28 May 2012 16: 31
          Quote: Kibb
          But he reads very well - I like to delve into his books


          Igor, you’re right, he is a good publicist, but not a historian, they will not take a step without a link to the archives
  5. Dan099
    +6
    28 May 2012 12: 28
    "The combat losses of our tanks in 1943-1945 by type of means of destruction: from artillery fire - 88-91%; from mines and land mines - 8-4%; from bombs and aviation artillery fire - 4-5%. The reason for more than 90% of irrecoverable casualties were artillery fire. "

    And where are the losses from the fire of enemy tanks? If included in art. fire, then I would like to see separate statistics on tanks and artillery
    1. +6
      28 May 2012 13: 31
      And how to distinguish it? Veti tanks also shoot from cannons. Somewhere 35-40 percent of losses from art lamb.
      CANCER 40 main enemy of Soviet tanks with 1943
  6. +12
    28 May 2012 12: 32
    The author of the article, in my opinion, over-admires the German atrillerists and their "work". For objectivity, it would be necessary to add pictures of the flattened by Soviet combat vehicles passing from above on the fascist T-I and T-II, perforated by our glorious gunners T-III and T-IV. It would be nice to add a burning camouflage Hitlerite "menagerie" (TV and T-VI), and, most importantly, do not forget to add Hitler's order to his tankers, in which it was forbidden to engage in open tank battles with Soviet IS, let me remind you that heavy tanks Panther and Tiger the Germans were at the same time as Stalin's ISs. This is much more objective than showing the warlike hari of Hitler's soldiers and savoring the destroyed tanks of the Red Army.
    I didn't miss the mark by calling the "tattered cat" a heavy tank. It was almost equal in weight to our KV-1 and IS-2. By the logic of reasoning, all who consider it a medium tank should consider our tanks to be the same average. The weight standard should be the same, only if it is objective. (This is a clarification, just in case).
    1. +5
      28 May 2012 13: 34
      Quote: philosopher
      the main thing is not to forget to add Hitler’s order to his tankmen, in which it was forbidden to engage in open tank fights with Soviet IS,


      That would not spend the tanks when there is anti-tank artillery.

      So will you feel better?
    2. +4
      28 May 2012 14: 37
      That's right, philosopher. If we talk about Soviet tanks during the Second World War and their resistance to artillery fire, then it would be fair to show the corresponding parameters of the "high-tech" German tanks of the same period. And this is how we get a set of excerpts from the works of Western researchers with fascist illustrations.
      1. +2
        28 May 2012 14: 44
        Quote: wbigfire
        it would be fair to show the corresponding parameters of the "high-tech" German tanks of the same period


        what you hope to see there will be between 22.06.1941 and 01.05.1942
  7. Dust
    +3
    28 May 2012 13: 51
    In general, the article is strange - on the one hand there is a lot of factual material that needs to be carefully examined, on the other hand there are some familiar cliches and absurdities ...
    Of course, a plus for the material collected in the tables, but otherwise - well, let it remain so ...
    One thing is for sure, the Germans were good at using their artillery!
  8. borisst64
    +6
    28 May 2012 14: 48
    "The armor is strong"

    They rarely write about it, but I think in vain.
    We are talking about the quality of the armor, surprisingly the vaunted Krupp steel did not reach the strength of the Soviet armor, and by the end of the war completely lost strength due to the lack of alloying additives. It seems to be specific information, but how many lives were saved by the work of Soviet metallurgists!
    1. Kibb
      +6
      28 May 2012 16: 16
      Quote: borisst64
      surprisingly, the vaunted Krupp steel did not reach the strength of the Soviet armored steel

      in our years 41-42, tanks sometimes did this ....
      Was the cemented armor PtsIII worse than ours?
      At the end of the war, it’s clear
      Quote: borisst64
      the work of Soviet metallurgists!

      It was mainly aimed at reducing the complexity of production, which, in principle, is also not bad.
    2. prispek
      +1
      29 May 2012 00: 24
      Well, why is it rare, I remember from childhood; "the armor is strong" But the Germans were not able to make high-quality armor (tanks, cannons. aircraft) With the modern availability of information, one can no longer repeat the myths of Soviet propaganda. Yes, by the end of the war the quality of Krupp's steel had really dropped. But this is in comparison with the steel of the beginning of the war, and not in comparison with our steel.
      1. Eugene
        +3
        29 May 2012 00: 39
        Well, steel needs alloying (except damask except), for this we need manganese ores, cobalt, tungsten, etc. In Germany they weren’t, they took them in Norway, when Norway was cut off to them, then the problems started.
  9. schta
    +2
    28 May 2012 15: 57
    Niasil mnogafukaf, but in the photo with the passage of guns ZiS-2 and M-37, there are more servants per person in each calculation?

    borisst64, in my opinion it is quite obvious that the loss of mines in norway made the armor of tigers and panthers just "plasticine".
  10. +6
    28 May 2012 16: 18
    Well, I think that we need to give the author a huge plus, but ask him to write a comparative article on how our gunners fought with enemy tanks.

    In general, after reading the article I asked myself: If everything was so cool with them, then why did they lose?
    1. +6
      28 May 2012 16: 38
      Quote: Evrepid
      If everything was so cool with them, then why did they lose


      Well, any German schoolboy knows that there is Russian frost, lack of roads, toilets, uncivilized warfare on Sundays, and partisans again ....
    2. Kibb
      +19
      28 May 2012 17: 00
      According to the memoirs of Guderian, Middeldorf, Mellenthin, Manstein and Tippelskirch

      1) Hitler disturbed us. Hitler was. The German soldier was rulez. The German commander was like Great Frederick, but without vicious inclinations.

      2) Russians overwhelmed us with meat. The Russians had a lot of meat. The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he eats what he cannot run away from him, sleeps standing up, like a horse, and knows how to leak. The author has repeatedly witnessed how entire Russian tank armies were leaking through the front line, and nothing betrayed their presence - it would seem that yesterday, the usual artillery preparation, bombing, the Russian offensive, and suddenly once !!! - in the rear is already the Russian tank army.

      3) SS sometimes a little over the top. That is, if everything were limited to the usual robberies, executions, violence and destruction, which the German soldier sometimes practiced from an excess of valiant power, many more people would accept the new order with pleasure.

      4) The Russians had a T-34 tank. It was not fair. We did not have such a tank.

      5) The Russians had a lot of anti-tank guns. Each soldier had an anti-tank gun - he hid with her in the pits, in the hollows of trees, in the grass, under the roots of trees.

      6) The Russians had many Mongols and Turkmen. Mongols and Turkmen, backed up by the commissioners is a terrible thing.

      7) The Russians had commissars. Commissars is a terrible thing. A-priory. Most of the commissioners were Jews. Even. We have not destroyed our Jews in a businesslike way. Himmler was.

      8) The Russians used a dishonest method - they pretended to give up, and then - RRA! and shot the German soldier in the back. Once, a Russian tank corps, pretended to surrender, shot a whole heavy tank battalion in the back.

      9) The Russians killed German soldiers. In general, it was a terrible zapadlo, because honestly, it was the German soldiers who were supposed to kill the Russians! Russians are all without exception.

      10) Allies betrayed us. In a sense, the Americans and the British.
      I. Koshkin Lost victories 2
      So not everything was so cool, but what was it was ...
      1. +10
        28 May 2012 17: 06
        Laughter with laughter and in the PTO and PT SPG the Germans were first-class.
        Our stalled on ZIS-2 and the use of the division ZIS-3.
        BS-3 appeared at the end of the war and there were really few of them, and it’s not completely
        Quote: Kibb
        The Russians had a T-34 tank. It was not fair. We didn’t have such a tank

        And this is really a funny excuse for beaten generals.


        can only be summarized ---- glory to the Soviet SOLDIER and the rear workers.
        1. Eugene
          +3
          28 May 2012 21: 39
          And this is really a funny excuse for beaten generals.

          This is an excuse from Guderian, he initially reported that the bullshit tank and only the conscientious savage twilight mind could create such a miracle, and then when it was seriously cut off from them for the first time, it wrote the exact opposite.
          1. +3
            28 May 2012 22: 56
            He had to write off his failures near Moscow for something.
            And the skill of the crews of Soviet tanks increased, as well as combat experience accumulated.
          2. 77bor1973
            +1
            30 May 2012 10: 25
            The Führer himself once said - if I knew in the 41st that the Russians have such tanks as the T-34 and KV, I would never go to Russia!
        2. Alf
          0
          2 June 2012 00: 59
          And 88 is PT?
      2. +4
        28 May 2012 21: 23
        Kibb, thanks, had some fun!
      3. +1
        29 May 2012 04: 39
        drinks good good fellow Chic-shine comment! "+" wassat
  11. +1
    28 May 2012 17: 14
    In the language of that time, "Admiration for the West." I didn’t like it, tendentious and one-sided.
  12. panzer
    +6
    28 May 2012 17: 36
    Wittmann considered anti-tank artillery the most serious enemy of the German tankers. According to the memoirs of his colleagues, he was much more proud of the destroyed gun than a tank. In my opinion this is the best praise to our gunners.
  13. 0
    28 May 2012 17: 37
    "This raises a completely reasonable question from the reader (the author claims that our anti-tank vehicles and tanks were qualitatively superior to the German ones), so how can we explain the fact that in 1941 the Red Army lost 20,5 thousand tanks and 12 thousand anti-tank guns? There are more reasons for this than But most importantly, the unmobilized, unmobilized Red Army clashed with an army that had fought for two years, an army with the best equipment in the world and the best soldier in the world; an army that took only a month to defeat the united armies of England and France in 1940 , Belgium and Holland. " - here with this conclusion of the author, I completely agree.
  14. +4
    28 May 2012 19: 59
    Another point. The author is mistaken, the relatively large percentage of destroyed T-34s is associated not with the type of ammunition, but with the placement of fuel tanks in the fighting compartment of the tank. Fuel vapors exploded ...
  15. Yemelya
    +8
    28 May 2012 20: 20
    About almost 100% mechanization of German artillery, the author, in my opinion, turned down.
    1. 0
      4 June 2012 21: 00
      Let me join you in your correct remark. The author is simply wishful thinking. Let him study the German newsreels of those years more and better. Then he will see the "blitzkrieg" men, armed with Mauser rifles, stomping on the peshkodral, and he learns that the upcoming throw of the "victorious army" could be thwarted not only from a combat confrontation, not only from a lack of fuel or cars, but from the opportunity to throw forward a blacksmith with a supply of horses horseshoes, and from the presence of horses - the main draft unit of the German army, and from the number of carts confiscated from the population of Poland and the occupied regions of the USSR. They did not have so much mechanization and Romanian gasoline, as some authors impose on us, some notes.
  16. Kibb
    +3
    28 May 2012 20: 24
    Quote: mkpda
    T-34 is not associated with the type of ammunition, but with the placement of fuel tanks in the fighting compartment of the tank. Fuel vapors exploded ...

    Both took place, there are many photos with harktornye damage to tanks that do not mix up
    Threat ammunition T34-85 and Sherman detonated much less often
    1. +3
      28 May 2012 22: 49
      Quote: Kibb
      Shermanov detonated much less often


      Much, much less often --- in principle, there are almost no photos of Shermans undermined by detonation of the BC
      1. CC-18a
        0
        29 May 2012 07: 23
        on the other hand, a bunch of photos and videos and memoirs, German and Allied, embraced by the tribe from 1.
        What is better for the crew to blast the BC or burn like a candle? not a good question but essentially. request
        1. +2
          29 May 2012 10: 14
          Quote: CC-18a
          on the other hand, a bunch of photos and videos and memoirs, German and Allied, embraced by the tribe from 1.
          What is better for the crew to blast the BC or burn like a candle? not a good question but essentially



          You laugh again? As I understand it, you don’t know such a topic?
          And think of those that are easier to get out of a burning tank or from an exploding one?
  17. AlexMH
    +2
    28 May 2012 20: 56
    The main conclusion from the article is that the Germans were VERY afraid of Soviet tanks, so they built a lot of anti-tank guns, anti-tank self-propelled guns and anti-tank tanks (see "panther"), and still lost :) There is absolutely no need to speak with some aspiration about the "magnificent" German technique. Technology as a technique, good in the bulk, but it had no decisive advantage. The same ZIS-2 is better in quality than the German 50 and 75-mm anti-tank guns. ZIS-3 - yes, worse than their 75-mm, but that's why it is a universal gun. Putting 88-mm anti-aircraft guns on direct fire is extremely wasteful, we also did this with 85-mm anti-aircraft guns near Moscow and Stalingrad, but not from a good life, preparing an anti-aircraft gun calculation is more expensive and more difficult than calculating an anti-aircraft gun. And so it can be written that, they say, our BS-3 cannon is a cannon for all cannons, but after all, they were made in the war, nothing at all ...
    1. +2
      28 May 2012 22: 50
      Quote: AlexMH
      The same ZIS-2 in its qualities is better than the German 50 and 75-mm PTO guns

      with 75 mm it is much worse on the bore effect.
      Quote: AlexMH
      .Setting the 88 mm anti-aircraft guns to direct fire is extremely wasteful

      But vetting is not necessary when it is.
      1. Kibb
        +2
        28 May 2012 23: 25
        Quote: Kars
        But vet is not necessary when there is

        What did they call it? "Granary Gate"? True, BS3's size is also impressive
        1. +1
          28 May 2012 23: 30
          Quote: Kibb
          "Granary Gate"?


          no, it's about FlaK
          1. Kibb
            0
            28 May 2012 23: 40
            Something seemed to me that about pak43
            1. +1
              28 May 2012 23: 53
              Well, the barn gate is mentioned in the excuses of the freezers in 1941 after tete-a-tete with Kutakov’s tanks. And there the 43 pack could not be there for obvious reasons.

              And the dimensions are not much larger than the 40 pack.
              1. +1
                29 May 2012 11: 44
                Quote: Kars
                Kutakova

                Katukova.
                PS: for the Turkic-speaking Kutakov, the mother's surname.
  18. 755962
    +7
    28 May 2012 21: 07
    War years were a real test for those who remained in the rear. Vologda was no exception. Exhausting work 12 hours a day in the name of victory, when all the enterprises of the city switched to production of products for defense, and instead of the men who went to the front, women and children stood behind the machines - all witnesses of that time remember all this. Another thing is remembered - in addition to selfless labor in production, Vologda residents, together with residents of the Vologda Oblast, collected as much as they could for the construction of the tank column “Vologda Collective Farmer”. In total, more than five million rubles were collected, and already in March 1943 the delegation of the Vologda Oblast handed over the column of T-34 tanks to the guard tank formation of General M.E. Katukov. Vologda tanks were immediately sent to Kursk, where they received a baptism of fire. It was they who, breaking through the German defense, were the first to enter Ukrainian land.
    I am proud of my fellow countrymen for their modest contribution to the Victory.
    1. +2
      4 June 2012 21: 18
      THANK YOU VERY MUCH for this fact of history. I didn't know about him, but he is very dear to me! My father was from the Vologda region (Belozersky district). As a minor, he did not participate in hostilities, but, like the entire Great Country, PAKHAL is on the farm. All of his lost health, all of his sleepless nights, half-eaten piece of bread, lost parents are in these tanks. He, then still a boy, was awarded the medal "For Valiant Labor during the Great Patriotic War."
      Glory to our home front workers, who gave the best army in the world the best weapons in the world!
    2. lds040580
      0
      24 July 2012 21: 39
      hi fellow countryman, many of us are proud, but most of the younger generation think that the amers won the war .... sadly somehow
  19. Nechai
    +2
    28 May 2012 21: 21
    Quote: borisst64
    did not reach the strength of the Soviet armored steel

    By the decision of Isaak Moiseevich Zaltsman, director of the Kirov Plant, for some time the People's Commissar of the tank industry, the armor was tempered to its maximum values. The shell did not penetrate, but the so-called "scale" was cast from the rear side - according to the recollections of veterans who used ISs, 3-5 attacks and the company's vehicles are mostly intact, but the crews must be staffed in full. A large number of wounds from shrapnel of their own armor. After "Zaltsman & Co" received a tangible sticking point, little by little, things began to improve.
    1. Kibb
      +2
      28 May 2012 21: 53
      Zaltsman was removed from the post of People's Commissar on June 28, 43. The IS-85 was adopted on September 4, 43goda. At that time, the armor of Soviet tanks more than easily made its way through the entire spectrum of German PTS.
      Saltzman has done a lot of "good", but your story is not true
    2. +3
      29 May 2012 22: 12
      Yes, I knew about this "phenomenon" for a long time from my father, who fought as a tanker and was seriously wounded at the time of the completion of the encirclement of German troops near Stalingrad in the Kalach region. This is probably why modern tanks have the so-called "lining", coating the inner surfaces of the armor with a special compound similar to rubber.
  20. construction battalion
    +1
    28 May 2012 22: 26
    it took only a month to defeat the combined armies of England, France, Belgium and Holland in 1940.

    not ready to move from the miniature 37 mm RAC 35/36, which in two years shot tanks all over Europe

    The author Alexander Shirokorad is clearly not on friendly terms with his head. Then let's clarify that the Wehrmacht got the tanks from all over Europe unharmed. The United States even tried to persuade Uncle Joe to prohibit France from having an army, so that the Hans would not have a "warehouse full of weapons on horseback"
  21. Morani
    +1
    28 May 2012 22: 36
    Eternal memory to fearless tankers, brave people burned like candles. Who watched the movie "White Tiger" as an impression?
    1. +2
      28 May 2012 22: 53
      Quote: Morani
      Who watched the movie "White Tiger" as an impression?


      Compared to the book, there are many smoothed points.
      If honestly I expected more, but still Avatar is not up to the special effects.
      Emotionality ---- does not reach Soviet masterpieces like the crew of a combat vehicle or in war as in war.

      Average, looked --- deleted, the second time I will not watch.
      1. Eugene
        +3
        28 May 2012 23: 35
        And for me (I haven’t read the book), the shiz is still that ... the guy survives with a 90% burn ... he is given a super-duper tank ... the tank god on T-34 gold ... the tanks are talking to me ... a tiger shooting almost the t-34 regiments, with a rate of fire that even the T-72 machine is unlikely to provide. And it doesn’t occur to anyone to shoot not at the forehead / tower, but at the tracks or at the side; They put t-34-85 against the super-duper tiger and not the IS-2 which was more logical ... They put the t-34-85 tuned in ambush, and not the ISU-152 or SAU-100 ... Shells only leave scratches, although they should be smeared with a small penetration inside the case ... Judging by the fact that the mayo calmly runs past him, you could calmly surround him with infantry with anti-tank grenades and at least damage one track, and then do what you want ..
        Hitler alive at the end ...

        Spider-Man straight turned out some kind.

        However, I liked that there is a Lend-Lease technique, the hell of a tank war is shown ...
    2. 0
      29 May 2012 13: 25
      Impression on the first letter "x" ... .But not GOOD.
  22. ak_12
    +3
    28 May 2012 23: 22
    “It immediately became clear that all German tank and anti-tank guns (PTP) did not penetrate the armor of KB and T-34 tanks, and Soviet 76-mm tank guns 30 klb long (L-11 and F-32) and 40 klb . (F-34 and ZIS-5) penetrate the armor of all German tanks at a distance of up to 1000 m. "


    Actually, by the beginning of World War II, 34 mm armor-piercing shells were banal in the T-76 and KV ammunition:

    “In the general situation with the provision of the Red Army with ammunition on the eve of the war, such a failure was admitted, which is quite difficult to explain with reasonable arguments. The troops had few armor-piercing rounds for the 76-mm cannon. significant military-technical advantages of the Red Army: the presence in the armament of a rifle division of 76 "divisions" F-16 or USV, capable in the summer of 22 to penetrate the frontal armor of any German tank, and a long-barreled "three-inch" tank on new types of tanks (T-1941 and In the absence of armor-piercing shells, the newest Soviet tanks "lowered" to the level of the German Pz-IV with a short-barreled 34-mm "cigarette butt".

    What was not enough to organize the mass production of 76-mm armor-piercing rounds? Time? Resources? Production facilities? The T-34 and KV tanks were adopted by the Red Army on December 19, 1939. The divisional 76-mm F-22 gun was adopted even earlier, in 1936. At least from this point on, one should be puzzled by the production of ammunition that would make it possible to fully realize the combat potential of these weapons systems. The production capacities of the Soviet economy made it possible to accumulate by June 1941 16,4 million high-explosive fragmentation rounds for 76-mm regimental, divisional and mountain cannons. And another 4,9 million shots for 76 mm anti-aircraft guns. But the 76-mm armor-piercing shots as of May 1, 1941 were only 132 thousand units.

    At the same time, it should be taken into account that the armor-piercing shot does not exceed the high-explosive fragmentation in cost and resource intensity, and the anti-aircraft shot is much more complicated and more expensive than the armor-piercing one. The most convincing answer to the question about the ability of Soviet industry to organize the mass production of armor-piercing shells can be considered the presence of 12 million shots for 45-mm guns by the beginning of the war. And even this amount was still deemed insufficient, and in terms of the release of ammunition for 1941, a separate line was recorded for the production of 2,3 million armor-piercing 45-mm rounds.

    The alarming situation with the shortage of 76-mm armor-piercing rounds was recognized by the country's leadership, but with a great delay. Only on May 14, 1941, the Council of People's Commissars and the Central Committee of the BKP (b) were adopted, according to which it was planned to increase the production of 73-mm ballistic missiles at plant No. 76 alone to 47 thousand per month. The same Decree instructed to organize the release of BR rounds for the 85-mm anti-aircraft gun (at a rate of 15 thousand per month) and the heavy 107-mm corps gun. Of course, in the weeks remaining before the start of the war, it was not possible to radically change the situation.

    And the Germans at the beginning of the Second World War had submunitions. And such a shell fired from a mass 37 mm Pak 35/36 pierced the vertical side armor of the T-34 case of the 1941 model from somewhere around 300 meters. With HF, of course, it was more difficult, but even in HF the Germans quickly found a command in the form of 88 anti-aircraft guns, in the ammunition of which they again had armor-piercing shells. But for our 76 mm and 85 mm anti-aircraft guns, we had no armor-piercing shells by the beginning of the war. Given that our 45 mm armor-piercing projectile for tank and anti-tank guns was not designed to penetrate cemented armor of increased hardness, and even 30 mm German Pz side armor. III pierced only from a distance of 150-300 meters German tanks in the summer of 1941 there was nothing special to stop.
    1. prispek
      +1
      29 May 2012 00: 41
      The F-22 had an interesting aiming pattern (the flywheels of aiming horizontally and vertically were on opposite sides of the breech) and was not suitable for direct fire on tanks.
      1. Kibb
        +2
        30 May 2012 00: 05
        Well, yes, such a scheme was convenient for anti-aircraft shooting - hello to Tukhachevsky and his idea of ​​universality (semi-universalism in this case). By the way, the Germans removed this "feature" when reworking the F22
      2. Alf
        0
        3 June 2012 00: 01
        F-22 was created as a divisional cannon. In F-22USV, the aiming mechanisms were moved to one side.
        1. prispek
          -1
          3 June 2012 03: 18
          Alf: "In F-22 USV, the navdka mechanisms were moved to one side"
          Not true. on the one side, the aiming mechanisms were at the ZIS-3, and at the F-22USV, as before, from different sides of the breech. This direct-fire gun for tanks was not good either.
  23. prispek
    +3
    28 May 2012 23: 48
    The article, if I'm not mistaken, is an extract from the book "Tank War on the Eastern Front" I advise you to read it. But, what does it mean "The Red Army, which had not fought, not mobilized, faced an army that had fought for two years ..."? Does the Red Army mean it did not participate in the Soviet-Finnish war? Probably the militias dealt with the partisans on their own, just like on Khalkin-gol and near Lake Khasan. The Wehrmacht, of course, did not leave the battles for two years: the Polish company - 1.09.39 - 6.10 39. - 36 days. Danish-Norwegian operation - 9.04.40 - 10.06.40. French company - 10.05.40.- 21.06.40.- all together - 74 days. Balkans - 6.04.41 - 23.04.41. - 17 days. Crete - 20.05.41 - 2.06.41. - 13 days. Only 140 days of active hostilities. Soviet-Finnish war -104 days. Yes .... it is not easy to part with myths. but not to name the same real reasons.
    1. +2
      28 May 2012 23: 57
      Quote: prispek
      Soviet-Finnish War -104 days


      another tactic, and as you know, the war was not the most successful.
      Quote: prispek
      Halkin-Gol and Lake Hassan

      In principle, good battles, but the prescription of years, the enemy --- a lot of demomibilization since that moment, the experience was taken into account but not fully.
      And the Germans consistently carried out two major operations according to a similar scheme - the USSR became the third,
      1. Kibb
        -2
        29 May 2012 00: 22
        Quote: Kars
        Soviet-Finnish War of the Red Army

        In fact, the local conflict, lessons from which some, although they learned but did not realize
        Quote: prispek
        Halkin-Gol and Lake Hassan

        For the most part, the troops participating in these conflicts remained in the Far East and did not participate in border battles.
        Quote: Kars
        call the real reasons

        Well, why, the reasons are called - there are a lot of them, this is one of them, but rather not the main
        PS I have already seen your count, I will not call the author
      2. prispek
        -1
        29 May 2012 00: 31
        But this does not mean that the Red Army did not fight.
    2. 8 company
      -3
      29 May 2012 00: 15
      Quote: prispek
      Yes .... it’s not easy to part with myths. but do not name the real reasons.


      No, real ones. Possible unrealistic:
      1. The Germans attacked suddenly, what a medieval cunning!
      2. They dishonestly destroyed our aircraft, concentrated crowded at border airfields.
      3. The whole of Europe helped the Germans; Romanian, Hungarian, and Italian troops represented a particular danger.
      4. The shameless Junkers and Heinkels made reconnaissance flights over our territory for six months before the war, even reaching Moscow, and someone forbade them to shoot them down. Who is unknown.
      5. It turned out that thoroughly cleansed before the war of the enemies of the people and inept generals, our army nevertheless was not completely cleared, or they cleaned out the wrong ones.
      1. +3
        29 May 2012 00: 25
        Quote: Company 8
        2. They dishonestly destroyed our aircraft, concentrated crowded at border airfields.

        Just not so much and destroyed.
        Quote: Company 8
        3. The whole of Europe helped the Germans,

        true, especially the Fritz must be told that they were presented with the entire arsenal of the Czechoslovak army, and all its military industry.
        Quote: Company 8
        nevertheless, our army was not completely cleared

        that yes, yes. Tukhachevsky had to be cleaned in 35. his new growth spoiled his influence very much. And the failure of the Soviet artillery was also on his conscience.
        1. Morani
          -4
          29 May 2012 01: 04
          Armed forces on the eve of World War II on the western border of the USSR
          Category Germany and its allies of the USSR USSR (total)
          Personnel 4,3 million people 3,1 million people 5,8 million people
          Guns and mortars 42 601 57 041 117 581
          Tanks and assault guns 4171 13 924 25 784
          Aircraft 4846 8974 24 488
          As Europe did not help technology as much as the Soviet Union did not collect
          The USSR aviation became very shitty by the end of 41, the odds equalized.
          Normal officers were strangled in the NKVD, there were assholes and a few sane individuals (for example, Rokossovsky, he didn’t sign a protocol to the fucking enkavedeshniks, he endured all the tortures, here’s the Pole)
          1. Morani
            0
            29 May 2012 01: 11
            The attack of fascist Germany on the Soviet Union in 1941 put Soviet aviation in a difficult position. The rearmament of the Air Force units with new equipment began only before the war, and the reorganization of the aviation rear was not completed.
            On the first day of the war, German aircraft launched surprise attacks on Soviet airfields located in close proximity to the borders on which 65% of the aircraft of the western military districts were based. On earth, 800 and 400 of our aircraft were destroyed in the air. Thus, from the very first days of the war, the Luftwaffe gained strategic supremacy in the air. Our aircraft could not fully impede the actions of the enemy. Moreover, during the rapid advance of the Wehrmacht troops inland, defensive battles and the retreat of the Red Army, a huge amount of military equipment was lost, including aircraft.

            The reasons were different: easily damaged during raids, unsuitable due to engine wear or lack of fuel, the planes were destroyed during the retreat by personnel or simply abandoned. The losses of the Soviet Air Force in the first weeks of 1941 amounted to more than 9000 aircraft, of which about 1500 were combat and nearly 8000 were non-combat.
          2. 8 company
            -4
            29 May 2012 01: 45
            Quote: Morani
            Rokossovsky, he didn’t sign a single protocol to the fucking enkavedeshniks, he endured all the torture, here’s the Pole)


            By the way, a rarity. I read that after the death of Stalin there was a big showdown over torture and it turned out that about 1 person. for several hundred just did not sign anything. Moreover, there is no strict dependence on the severity of the sentence on the fact of signing. For example, Meretskov gave all the evidence that they demanded (that is, put a bunch of people) and remained alive, and Stern, who endured all the torture and did not sign anything, was shot. And there were reverse cases.
    3. 0
      30 May 2012 20: 25
      You are making a classic mistake. The Red Army, even in the course of local conflicts, was not mobilized in full, and deployed units at the end of hostilities returned to the states of peacetime. Even taking into account the hidden mobilization, the Red Army did not have units completed according to wartime states by 22.06.1941. Even if the numerical strength was close to the wartime states, then the transport and a number of services had to be completed for mobilization. As a result, there were no units in the Red Army, manned mainly by combatants. Moreover, in preparation for war, such a contingent was "smeared" in parts.
  24. gor
    gor
    -1
    29 May 2012 08: 02
    in other words, possessing a territory like that of France, Holland and Belgium taken together, the Soviet Union could hold out against the Wehrmacht even less than they did.
    and here many can begin to breed demagoguery about fighting spirit, blah blah blah, only I understand the Germans are bogged down. Nowadays the territory of any advantage does not give anymore. decides nothing in modern warfare
    1. 0
      29 May 2012 12: 40
      ..... gor (6) Today, 08:02 ↓ 0 in other words, possessing territory like France, Holland and Belgium combined, the USSR held out, even against the Wehrmacht .........
      ....... I look at the 8th company and comrades tightened .....
      Well, it was already ....... and general frost and complete nonsense like that ....
      Well, if they knew that there were a lot of us here, that the territory was vast, why did they climb something?

      ..... But they did not forget that in the east they held the army of the Kwantung millionth at that time? Just comparing the number of guns or tanks is quite incorrect ......
      The impression that people come here just pour another tub of slops on the USSR, Russia .....
      There is an interesting article, let's really discuss TTX, TTD, compare ....... and for everything else there is Bolotnaya Square ....
      1. gor
        gor
        +1
        29 May 2012 19: 37
        frigate kapi you just for fun see what territory the Germans occupied in the first 2 weeks and find out that there are several France, Belgium and Holland fit in. Where would you retreat? You know there is such a word analysis. so you don’t have it
        1. -1
          29 May 2012 19: 55
          Quote: gor
          for the first 2 weeks and you'll find out

          And let’s you shade it on the map? And then answer for your words about SEVERAL just France.

          And theoretically possessing the USSR, the same territory — what population would it have? Population density? Length of borders? Length of the border of direct contact with German troops ----- An analyzer blew up.
          1. gor
            gor
            -3
            29 May 2012 22: 07
            Kars of the Chinese one and a half billion in a smaller territory)))))))))))) analyzer. did you understand what I wanted to say?)))))))))))))))))))))
            1. 0
              29 May 2012 22: 15
              Quote: gor
              Kars of the Chinese one and a half billion in a smaller territory)))))))))))) analyzer. did he understand what he wanted to say?)))



              You are data, data come on --- the Chinese are not here.
              Or fucked up? I just know what I'm saying - and you don’t.
              Let's reduce the territory of the USSR to French, reduce the border, remove the Japanese from the eastern border - the French had allies in the rear of the English and the English Channel. Turn on the brain of a clown.
  25. construction battalion
    +1
    29 May 2012 09: 44
    But was the desire of the Red Army to fight?
    And how many million surrendered?
    But is it necessary to classify the victims of the Baltic states, ZakUkrovtsev and zapBelos to the Soviet losses?
    For example, the Frenchwoman were running out onto the airfields, so that the French aces would not spoil the potency of the Hans.
    And in Ukraine, women followed the retreating soldiers of the Red Army showed fights, and their husbands dropped their weapons as soon as they learned that the chances were already coming from the wives.
    And in Grozny, the "Minutka" cafe was a front for 3 months - like Pavlov's house.
    And all sorts of caliber and thickness of the armor is the tenth thing.
    1. +3
      29 May 2012 22: 38
      I answer point by point: The desire to fight and win was enormous, there were, of course, those who were taken prisoner, yet the percentage of kulaks and other hidden enemies-undead Soviet power was quite large, Stalin did not destroy all traitors. Personally, I ranked the "victims" of the Balts, Western Ukrainians, Western Belorussians among the German losses, since they mainly fought on the side of the Germans, in addition, they also increased millions of Soviet prisoners, since they threw rifles and surrendered at the sight of a German. They and their "women" greeted the Nazis with bread and salt, and then served in the Ukrainian auxiliary police, catching stragglers and surrounded by Soviet soldiers, shooting and handing over them to the Germans, they later formed the backbone of the so-called UPA, the formation of the Germans. I say this from the words of my father, a Soviet officer who met the war in Vilna, retreated to Sevastopol, then fought in Stalingrad, surrounding Paulus. But he did not surrender, no matter how hard it was. As I understand it, you are from the so-called "zapadentsev", so they have betrayal in their blood, since the days of your first traitor "Danila Galitsky", indeed, "yours" in Soviet times were taken only to the construction battalion, by the way I am worried about one thing, and what about you Stalin acted so gently that he did not shoot you all, how much cleaner the air would be now!
  26. +3
    29 May 2012 10: 50
    The article is of course informative, informative, etc. I would like a talented author to prepare for us something similar about Soviet weapons ... for balance ... otherwise it is not clear - and how did the Soviet people manage to defeat the fascist reptile? With such weapons!
    For example: how we got the first intact sample of the enemy "Tiger" (not "white" or "black", but the usual T-VI).
    In the literature on the history of artillery, I read the following story - our 122mm howitzer cannon, model 30, was in position. The crew heard that the sound of tank engines was approaching. We looked - two huge tanks of unknown design crawling. They aimed and from 500 meters zhahnuli on the first - at that tower just shattered into pieces. The crew of the second car "Tiger" threw their own and gave a fight ... So there!
    By the way, if you dig around - you can find beautiful, highly artistic photos of "collapsed to the saddle" and "Tigers", and "Panthers" and other animals ... There is a photo of the "super-heavy" "Mouse" (though already without a tower and with a Red Army soldier posing next to him )
    1. +1
      29 May 2012 11: 19
      Quote: TRex
      I would like a talented author to prepare for us something similar about Soviet weapons ... for balance ...


      It is made and for a long time.
      and on the tiger --- well, the M-30 122 tower will not break the tiger. And they captured it even near Leningrad, though it’s still damaged.

      There are also such books by the author ---
      Domestic mortars and rocket artillery. Minsk. Harvest. Moscow. AST (2000)
      * Weapons of the domestic fleet. 1945 — 2000 (Xnumx)
      * Encyclopedia of domestic artillery. (2000, 2001)
      * Ships and boats of the USSR Navy 1939 — 1945 (Xnumx)
      * Artillery of special power. (Xnumx)
      * Encyclopedia of domestic missile weapons 1817 — 2002. (Xnumx)
      * Armament of Soviet aviation. 1941 — 1991. (Xnumx)

      The genius of Soviet artillery: Triumph and the tragedy of V. Grabin. (2003
      Miracle weapon of the Russian Empire. (Xnumx)
      * Miracle weapons of the USSR. Secrets of Soviet weapons. (Xnumx)
      1. +2
        29 May 2012 13: 58
        The article was in the magazine "Technics - Youth" of some shaggy year. It was about a 122mm gun mod. 1931-37. For what I bought - for what I sell. Good luck to you.
        1. +1
          30 May 2012 18: 11
          Yes, in principle, I’m in exactly the same situation, personally, fortunately, I didn’t see anything. And I will retell what I read.

          Heavy German tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. H "Tiger" from the 502nd heavy tank battalion of the Wehrmacht, shot down near Leningrad. Most likely, this "Tiger" was shot down in the winter of 1943.

  27. berdichev
    0
    29 May 2012 10: 59
    AK-74-1,
    here we can sooner talk about maybe ...
  28. +2
    29 May 2012 11: 19
    the Germans had superiority. Well i sho ?? Did Wono help ??? ))))
    1. SIT
      +2
      29 May 2012 13: 35
      Quote: abeluk
      the Germans had superiority.

      In what? 23.06-1.07.41 in the area of ​​Brody-Dubno-Lutsk, against 700 German tanks there were 4000 Soviet ones, of which 700 were KV1 and T 34, which poorly poorly could resist only 80 TIV, the rest cans with funny cannons or just with machine guns. By July 1, the Soviet mechanized corps were defeated. K.K. also participated in this battle. Rokossovsky as the commander of the mechanized corps and Katukov as the commander of the brigade. This is possible only in the case of illiterate command. Superiority was in the effectiveness of the German military organization and the operational skill of the highest command staff. This is the reason for the victories of the Wehrmacht. Otherwise, this irresponsible adventure with a trip to the East would have covered itself with a copper basin as far back as 41m.
      1. +3
        29 May 2012 14: 13
        cynically compare sport and war, but still! they first missed our puck, but in the end they defeated the Swedes, Canadians, Americans, Slovaks! and became champions! we are all happy and proud that we won on strong-willed qualities. We lost, slapped the beginning of the war, but we WIN! then they managed to rebuild, draw conclusions and win! and this is important! after 1991 THEY were able to convince us that we won not so, and dear blood! And Stalin satrap, and Zhukov the bloodsucker, enjoyed the number of souls killed. We were faint-hearted that we believed in all this! and victory is bloodless! just need to love your homeland!
      2. 8 company
        +1
        29 May 2012 14: 18
        Quote: SIT
        Superiority was in the effectiveness of the German military organization and the operational skill of the highest command staff.


        According to the tradition that has developed here, they should call you for hating the whole Russian for this statement, and declare that you are pouring a bucket of slop on the USSR and its wisest leader.
      3. lds040580
        0
        24 July 2012 21: 50
        yes you still forgot to mention that it plays a very important role purely technically - sights (hi Zeiss)
  29. Nechai
    +3
    29 May 2012 12: 10
    Quote: Kibb
    Saltzman has done a lot of "good", but your story is not true

    In addition to the People's Commissar, he also, before and after he was the director of Kirovsky, including the evacuated understudy in Chelyabinsk, just in case, Tanko Grada. And what's not true then? The fact that trying by hook or by crook to fulfill and overfulfill the plan, due to loss of quality, easily violated technology?
  30. +5
    29 May 2012 18: 31
    I can’t understand one thing if they didn’t command the Soviet military, they didn’t know anything, they didn’t own technology, why the German troops suffered very big losses, they didn’t shoot themselves laughing dean conclusion the soviet army was very well prepared but it took time to find a cure for the blitzkrieg
  31. mind1954
    +1
    29 May 2012 20: 55
    General Yakovlev, engaged under the direct control of I.V. Stalin
    ammunition, wrote that even from Spain brought pictures of sub-caliber
    cores sticking out of the armor of our tanks, but no one wanted
    pay attention to it!
  32. Opertak
    +1
    29 May 2012 20: 56
    In some places it seems that the author is raving:
    1. "In 1941, the Red Army lost 20,5 thousand tanks" - we had only 18000 serviceable ones :))
    2. "The Red Army clashed with the army that had fought for two years. The army, who had the best equipment in the world and the best soldier in the world; army, which took only a month to defeat the united armies of England, France, Belgium and Holland in 1940. "- bullshit, our military equipment was better, the Russian soldier is the best soldier in the world, which was proved by the Great Patriotic War. Germany defeated France and the allies not in a month, but in 6 weeks (42 days).
    3. “Everyone knows the absolute superiority of the Germans in the air. And our field troops could fight off the Luftwaffe only with 7,62-mm Maxim machine guns.” - but to me, as an educated person, this is UNKNOWN! First, read: http://historical-articles.blogspot.com/2011/07/blog-post_08.html, and then Halder's diaries - "... Russian aviation dominates the air ..." - this is a HISTORICAL document.
    Etc. etc. Author, write about the technique - it’s better for you.
    1. 0
      30 May 2012 18: 15
      Quote: OperTak
      we all had 18000 serviceable :))

      Those that didn’t get out of the alarm parks are also considered lost. A figure from an official source.
  33. +1
    29 May 2012 23: 10
    Soviet equipment and weapons, with the exception of aviation, were clearly better in the initial period of the Second World War, the German troops were completely mobilized, equipped, enriched by combat experience, with experienced commanders, for example, there was not a single regiment commander who was not a participant in World War I ready to attack. The Soviet troops, for the most part, were in the barracks, at regular airfields and parks, or on the way, were not equipped with the necessary ammunition, equipment, transport, commanded them mostly frightened by repression, afraid to take a step without permission from the senior commander, officers, in addition Stalin understood that the USSR at that moment was not ready for war and did its best to delay it, because of panic fear of any excesses on the border, a mistake was also made in determining the direction of the main attack that occurred in the Belarusian direction, and the Soviet command assumed the main blow will be inflicted in the south, on the territory of southern Ukraine, where the best troops were concentrated and partly occupied field positions. The order to take up field positions was given too late, when German planes were already flying to bomb Soviet barracks and airfields and were not received at most of the units and formations, since communications were almost completely destroyed by German saboteurs. In addition, German troops had a significant advantage in quantitative terms. All of these reasons in the aggregate led to the consequences that are called the tragedy of 41 years.
    1. prispek
      -1
      1 June 2012 23: 26
      Quotebistrov .:,
      "All these reasons together led to the consequences that are called the tragedy of 41." Read Mark Solonin's book "At Peacefully Sleeping Airfields" There, and about German planes flying to bomb Soviet barracks, and about the almost destroyed communications. And about a few more reasons that you did not name.
  34. sapulid
    0
    30 May 2012 02: 07
    Damn, "hurray-patriots" minus for the truth. Apparently, here, as with a scoop, it is necessary to praise any stupidity of the leadership, not to reveal the shortcomings of the command and weapons that belong to the Russian Federation. Think with your head, patriotic hamsters, when you lick the chocolate shop to everything Russian. A patriot, not someone who loves, turns a blind eye to shortcomings, but someone who helped the country to realize its weaknesses and become stronger. Was the idiocy of the Soviet leadership at the beginning of the Second World War? Was. Was the personnel unprepared? Was. Was the incompetence of the generals? Was. Bala inability to make independent decisions by the commanders of the Red Army? Was. Was there a lag in the quality of fighter aviation and the quality of training for years. It was. Was there any criminal negligence in the dispersal of forces along the entire border? Was. Did the breakthroughs of the fascist troops stuck with unarmed and untrained militias and conscripts? Yes, shut up. Tell me, how much of the above about command and leadership during the Second World War was not repeated during the Chechen campaign? Nits, because of people like you, creatures at the trough, feel themselves to be all-powerful, and the rest, they run for the "people" who grab it all. Even if there are normal ones, then, because of you, the truth about the real state cases will NEVER GET! However, it is not for you to fight. This is not a lordly business! The rabble that does not have an I-net because of poverty, and therefore, not showing its servility to a patriotic hamster, is obliged to lay down their worthless lives for your precious calm existence ... YOU, SUPPORT AND TRUE VALUE of the country! When, then, do you choke on that chocolate that you diligently lick? Really, you haven't tasted the taste? Is there a smell in your nostril?
    1. prispek
      -1
      1 June 2012 23: 47
      Well, you know who more on this site. So take it for granted. Not for the rating, in fact, we are fighting here. Take the example of the 8th company, it was rated to skulls on shoulder straps and failed. Let those generals flaunt those who still ate in a children's sandbox conscience with snot. They love these tsatskis. Well, we should not. For comment +
  35. 0
    30 November 2012 18: 41
    The 34-year-old T-76-41, in combat, was good, but technically unreliable. It has long been known. Childhood diseases. Just adopted equipment.
  36. 0
    25 September 2018 04: 55
    Quote: Kars
    Information on the losses of materiel of the 23th Panzer Division for the period from 22.6 to 13.7.41 of the year.
    Explanatory note

    Cars left in winter apartments:

    15 T-26 tanks: 3 vehicles of the 45 tank regiment and 12 vehicles of the 144 tank regiment.

    All of the above machines were awaiting average repairs, including 3 machines requiring major repairs.

    Tank repairs were started, all parts and assemblies that were available in the division were replaced, the delay was due to the lack of engines, piston group, final drive bearings, final drive oil seals, cardan joint bearings, heating chambers and a number of other details, which were not available.

    Part of the above parts and assemblies were sent from warehouse No. 942, but by the time of the performance they had not been received by the division.

    Before the occupation of Telskaya, the 12 tanks of the 144 tank regiment were concentrated on Art. Telsai to be sent for overhaul to industrial plants. It was possible to load only the 3 of the tank, as Komkov, the senior command of the military technician of the 1 rank, was ordered to finish loading and leave Telsai with the recommended representative of the District Military Council - the battalion commissar [227].

    4 tractors SKhTZ and 1 ChTZ-60 required major repairs, the district planned for July to be sent to industrial plants.

    From 12 ZiS-5 8 machines [overhaul] were required, 4 medium, overhauls were received from UABTV [228] Districts for overhaul, 4 cars required average repair, but due to lack of machine parts they were not on go in anticipation of an average repair.

    3 pontoon ZiS-5, 1 M-1 remained in winter apartments due to lack of rubber.

    3 all-terrain vehicle ZiS-5 - not on the move in anticipation of an average [repair] - change of rear axles, which the division did not have.

    16 pieces of motorcycles were waiting for repairs, the lack of parts delayed timely recovery.

    Of the total number of wheeled vehicles, 13 machines were repaired in the RBW, some had the chassis repaired, engine blocks were bored, that is, everything was prepared for the assembly of the machines, but due to the lack of a number of machine parts, they were not assembled at the time of the RBW’s performance with Quarters

    Losses of cars due to technical malfunctions, from artillery fire and aircraft:

    T-26 18 cars: 9 cars spoiling engines, 3 cars gasoline pump bodies burst, 1 spoiled, 2 spoiled chassis, 1 gas tank rupture, 1 ignition damage, 1 stuck in a cuvette during the retreat of our parts.

    Of the total number of 18 machines, 9 vehicles were sent to SPAM, some of the machines were disassembled for repair, but the threat of being cut off forced them to destroy the tanks, frequent movement of the division, the rapid advance of the enemy and the lack of evacuation facilities did not allow the tanks to be repaired or evacuated.

    The rest of the 9 vehicles were left to cover the departure of our units, as a rule, tanks from the rear marching outpost remained. Lost tanks with artillery fire from unoccupied territory by the enemy, as a rule, were towed out of the battlefield, when marching, lined tanks were also towed by tanks, but when they entered the battle they were left behind and in most cases were cut off by the enemy, and especially during the march in front of the enemy’s front.

    When marching from under Madona, 15 T-26 tanks were towed in tow, which reduced the speed of the column by 2-3 times, and also led to severe overheating of the towing vehicles.

    The continuous operation of the tanks in the absence of spare parts led to the fact that most of the remaining vehicles required engine rebuilding due to falling out of the saddles of the cylinders, because of the remaining 44 12 machines were not underway, the rest worked on 2-3 cylinders, and when towing such vehicles towing tanks due to excessive overheating, they usually light up.

    If there were tractors in the towing division, all tanks that were pulled out of the battlefield and failed for technical reasons on the way would be evacuated to the rear and restored, which would reduce the total losses in the tanks by 30 – 40%.

    14 STZ-5 tractors were lost from enemy artillery fire while encircling and leaving the 3 battery and 23 park battery of howitzer artillery regiment, in the same battle 10 trucks, 1 M-1 and 14 park battery trailers were lost. The remaining transport vehicles are lost from enemy fire in the period from 22.6 to 13.7.41 of the year.

    Transferred to other parts:

    2 battalion of tanks in the number of 87 vehicles T-26, 1 "Vickers" from the 144 tank regiment, by order of the commander of the 8 army, were transferred to the 10 rifle corps. 3 of the T-26 tank transferred to the headquarters of the 12 mechanized corps. 136 trucks, 1 M-1 vehicles, 2 ZiS-5 tanks were transferred according to the order of the UABTV of the North-Western Front to form the 202 motorized rifle regiment. 45 ZiS-5 trucks were removed from the TEP in the Telshai region by order of a member of the Military Council of the North-Western Front for the transport of shells. The 1 ZiS-6 vehicle was taken on the road to the 463 infantry regiment, Colonel Zhivykh, recommended by the representative of the 8 army headquarters.

    25 trucks and 1 tractor were taken in transit under the threat of weapons, including: 5 vehicles by the NKVD detachment of Riga, 1 tractor in the Telsai area of ​​the guard detachment commanders, 2 vehicles of the artillery regiment commanders, other vehicles were picked up by various persons.

    207 trucks, 2 tractors STZ-5, 4 tractors T-20, 1 passenger M-1, workshop "A" GAZ-AAA, tank ZiS-5, radio station 5-AK GAZ-AAA, sanitary GAZ-AAA before motorized rifle regiment in the 23 infantry corps, 10 infantry division and 90 motorized infantry division.

    If we add to this picture of the state of the NWF technology almost complete lack of communication, enemy attacks from the air, armed gangs and sabotage groups on the roads, then it should be considered a miracle that the fact that the troops and staffs of the 11th and 8th armies were withdrawn from the encirclement. At the same time, the actions of the headquarters of the front 22-30.6.41. can be considered a failure - namely, the headquarters of the front, led by its chief and commander of the front, the Military Council of the front as a whole. Which was soon done by the Bet.

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