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Israeli aircraft first "tested" Syria after deliveries of C-300

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The TASS news agency, citing a source, provided some details on the supply of C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria. The source of the news agency reports that the Russian air defense system was delivered to Damascus for free. We are talking about the three divisions of the C-300PM modification.


Israeli aircraft first "tested" Syria after deliveries of C-300


Reportedly and delivered in Syria ammunition. The submission states that for each division, the Syrians sent 100 anti-aircraft missiles.

Of material:
October 1 completed the delivery to Syria of three C-300PM divisions consisting of eight launchers each.


This statement contradicts the words expressed by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Earlier, the head of the defense department of Russia spoke about the 4-x launchers delivered to Damascus from the Russian Federation. Probably, we could talk about the initial party.

It is noted that the C-300PM supplied to the SAR were previously in service with one of the anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Russian Federation Air Force, which had recently been re-equipped with the more modern Triumph C-400. At the same time C-300PM underwent a major overhaul.

If we are really talking about S-300PM, then, in fact, this is not the most modern modification of the C-300. Initially, the declared characteristics of the missile of this air defense missile system are as follows: the target speed is up to 6,45 thousand km / h, the range of destruction of aircraft is up to 150 km, the range of destruction of ballistic targets is up to 40 km.

However, one should not forget about the fact that by the 2014, all the C-300PM air defense systems that were in service with the air defense units of the RF Armed Forces were upgraded to C-300PM1. In a number of regiments, the air defense system was upgraded to PM2 with a range of damage to 200 km.

Against this background, media reported that the Israeli aviation For the first time since Russia’s deliveries to the SAR, the S-300 launched a flight around the Syrian borders. If you believe the materials of sites that carry out aviation monitoring, then Israeli aircraft were seen near the Lebanese city of Tripoli (not to be confused with the Libyan "namesake"). Having made an approach to the Lebanese-Syrian border, the fighters left in the direction of their airspace.
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  1. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 9 October 2018 06: 55
    +24
    Against this background, information appeared in the media that for the first time after Russian deliveries of S-300 air defense systems to the SAR, the Israeli aviation flew in the region of the Syrian borders.

    Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 October 2018 07: 00
      +1
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      Our men face reputational losses in the destruction of the S-300 by the Israelis

      The article also says that the modifications are old. And donated, but as they say, they don’t look at a roasted horse .... wink
      1. cradle
        cradle 9 October 2018 07: 03
        +10
        enough pans to fry the horse? laughing Probably a gift? More protective nuno, more protective ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 October 2018 07: 06
          +9
          Quote: besik
          Probably a gift?

          Roast horse roast. yes You simply do not know this interpretation of the old Russian proverb. wink
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 October 2018 08: 46
            +36
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Roast horse roast

            All this is so, lower already with non-Russian flags, they began to philosophize, they say that the complex is already old and the range is small, but the principle of radar has not changed much over the years, even for decades. Also, unlike the S-200, the S-300 has a vertical start and a much shorter reaction time, with all the consequences. From Damascus to Haifa, only 144 kilometers so. The entire territory of Lebanon is shot through, and from Daria to Tel Aviv it is also less than 150 kilometers. Also take-off, flight and landing of Israeli vultures will be controlled by ZGRLS Container and other means of global control, information will be received by calculations and there will be no unexpected appearance. This was not done previously from the friendly relations with Israel that sailed away. The Syrians helped Assad to create an air defense system from the remnants, and then the Jews had to suffer losses and their missiles were successfully intercepted, which is why Norkin had to be poured, which led to the victims of our military. Also, Jews should realize that the threat of a war with Russia is simply looming, which has a triad, and this is not a joke, especially for a small state with a compactly resident population. Georgians and Ukraine have already jumped, underestimating the decisiveness of our military elite, although fools learn from their holes in the skin.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 October 2018 10: 12
              +3
              Quote: hrych
              Also, Jews should realize that the threat of a war with Russia is simply looming, which has a triad, and this is not a joke, especially for a small state with a compactly resident population. Georgians and Ukraine have already jumped, underestimating the decisiveness of our military elite, although fools learn from their holes in the skin.

              I dare say that Georgia and Ukraine are, with all due respect, developing countries that are openly hostile to Russia, and at the same time are rather weakly armed and organized. Israel is not a developed country hostile to Russia with a pretty good, modern and rather big army, possessing, according to non-Israeli sources, a nuclear triad. Jews don’t want a conflict with Russia, they don’t aggravate, because the bulk of people who fought and were at war there for the most part or who were under “air alert”, let’s say so, therefore they don’t intend to conduct military operations against a hostile country. Russia, by what it has in Syria, cannot and does not want to fight, because she has other goals for being in the region. Moreover, the global war with the state possessing nuclear weapons, even with the guaranteed victory of the Russian Federation, also fell for no one for obvious reasons.
              Therefore, talking about the possibility of a war with Israel is an inadequate child's babble of people far from the army.
              1. provergatel
                provergatel 9 October 2018 10: 46
                +28
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Israel is not a developed country hostile to Russia with a pretty good, modern and rather big army, possessing, according to non-Israeli sources, a nuclear triad.


                I'm sorry, what?

                A nuclear triad is: strategic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead (YBZ) over a range of several thousand kilometers; strategic aviation capable of carrying nuclear weapons at a distance of thousands of kilometers; nuclear submarine fleet (the atomic one of the requirements of great autonomy and duration of patrolling), capable of patrolling for months the launch areas of ICBMs.

                What of these do Israel have?

                Quote: Krasnodar
                Moreover, the global war with the state possessing nuclear weapons, even with the guaranteed victory of the Russian Federation, also fell for no one for obvious reasons.


                Umm. What is such a global war with a state with a floor area of ​​the Moscow region?
                And what is the use of possessing nuclear weapons in Israel in the absence of delivery vehicles? Or will they, in their own limited territory, which was hardly won back from the desert, be scattered by the loaf-loaves?

                Yes. Problems with a full-scale conflict with Israel will arise. But they will be more logistic in nature. We have been practicing the transfer of a large number of troops (tens of thousands) to thousands of kilometers in exercises all of recent years. There will be a question of the corridor. Will Iran and Iraq provide us with an air corridor? Will Turkey begin to push against the passage of our military convoys. But we will be able to quickly build up our air defense group and air group in Syria. And without the support of aviation and absolute dominance in the air, the Israeli army didn’t even try to fight.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 October 2018 11: 43
                  -15
                  Quote: oprovergatel

                  I'm sorry, what?

                  A nuclear triad is: strategic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead (YBZ) over a range of several thousand kilometers; strategic aviation capable of carrying nuclear weapons at a distance of thousands of kilometers; nuclear submarine fleet (the atomic one of the requirements of great autonomy and duration of patrolling), capable of patrolling for months the launch areas of ICBMs.

                  What of these do Israel have?



                  Umm. What is such a global war with a state with a floor area of ​​the Moscow region?
                  And what is the use of possessing nuclear weapons in Israel in the absence of delivery vehicles? Or will they, in their own limited territory, which was hardly won back from the desert, be scattered by the loaf-loaves?

                  Yes. Problems with a full-scale conflict with Israel will arise. But they will be more logistic in nature. We have been practicing the transfer of a large number of troops (tens of thousands) to thousands of kilometers in exercises all of recent years. There will be a question of the corridor. Will Iran and Iraq provide us with an air corridor? Will Turkey begin to push against the passage of our military convoys. But we will be able to quickly build up our air defense group and air group in Syria. And without the support of aviation and absolute dominance in the air, the Israeli army didn’t even try to fight.

                  1) Israel has an ICBM - range from 4,9 to 6,5 thousand km. F-15 and F-16 with cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons, German-made Dolphin submarines with an autonomy of 30 days, armed with Popay Turbo cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons.
                  2) Global conflict involves the exchange of blows between the warring parties. The Russian Federation, of course, is not Israel, but none of the sane Russian politicians will risk even one hypothetically destroyed city of their country.
                  3) The Israelites last fought not childishly 26 years ago. That is, against tank troops, air defense, aviation.
                  Russia - well, if you do not take into account the pacification of Georgia in 2008, where there was complete domination of the Russian Air Force in the air and not only, then in 1945. Che and how it might be there is not clear, but nothing good will be for both sides - that's for sure.
                  4) Logistics by logistics - no one will look at the concentration of forces of another country at their borders in case of war. And wait too.
                  On both sides, this is understandable, known and clear to the military. None of them want this. In addition, despite the tragedy of IL-20, neither the Russian Federation nor Israel hostile to each other.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 9 October 2018 13: 17
                    +1
                    delivery of three S-300PM divisions to Syria completed
                    . . . .
                    All S-300PM air defense systems that were in service with the air defense units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were upgraded to version S-300PM1
                    . . . .
                    Russian defense minister speaks about 4 launchers delivered to Damascus

                    In other words, "competent sources of information" is a complete lie, sucked from the finger. Even if TASS refers to them
                  2. aquatic
                    aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 22
                    +2
                    I’ll probably surprise you with 3 S-300 divisions within a radius of 150 km of ICBM take-off, this is a very funny thing))) in vain that we did not want patriots in Crimea? There are no patriots in Crimea, but there are s-300s under your ICBMs.


                    capable of carrying nuclear weapons

                    maybe there is an ICBM)) but there is nothing to carry, well, Israel has no loaf, no) wet dreams only.

                    Global conflict means exchange of blows between warring

                    what exchange of blows if one side has no long loaf)?

                    Russia - well, if you do not take into account the pacification of Georgia in 2008


                    where did you get the idea that Russia will fight with you? it is full of Iranian and Syrian forces, you have a war with them, they are an enemy for you, you can’t find a common language for them, well, so we won’t interfere with them, we will stand aside, we’ll beat what will fly so that our troops wouldn’t get enough.
                    neither the Russian Federation nor Israel hostile to each other.

                    our president and defense minister clearly understood you, you shot down our plane, Israel ENEMY. you can think anything. I personally know a huge number of people who have long craved the Nuremberg Tribunal over the Israeli elite. And for the dead guys in Ossetia, and in Ukraine, and for the downed plane over Sinai with women and children. Many work on it, retribution is inevitable
                  3. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 11 October 2018 00: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The last time the Israelis fought childishly 26 years ago. That is, against tank troops, air defense, aviation.
                    Russia - well, if you do not take into account the pacification of Georgia in 2008, where there was complete domination of the Russian Air Force in the air and not only, then in 1945. Che and how it might be there is not clear, but nothing good will be for both sides - that's for sure.

                    Well, yes, of course you would be absolutely right, if you do not take into account the post-war Korea, Vietnam, and the same Egypt. How did it all end there?

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Logistics by logistics - no one will look at the concentration of forces of another country at their borders in the event of war. And wait too.

                    Yes, there will be no Russian Federation in Syria to fight on earth, except perhaps by special forces in some cases. In all conflicts after 1945, participation was in the form of air defense and aviation as air defense, with the exception of Georgia, since we have a common border.
                  4. I fudo
                    I fudo 11 October 2018 12: 36
                    0
                    pieces 10 governors, 10 blocks in 800 Kt. - there will be nothing left of Israel. And there is only one defense against this: "let Russia not do this - it will fight with machine guns at the ready and incur losses"
                  5. provergatel
                    provergatel 11 October 2018 17: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Israel has an ICBM - range from 4,9 to 6,5 thousand km


                    Who told you this? If Israel officially does not have nuclear weapons, why does it need an ICBM? The essence of ICBMs is that they are designed to deliver warheads over long distances. Due to the complexity of accurate guidance at such distances, the CEP (Circular Probable Deviation) of such missiles is measured in hundreds (at best tens) of meters. To compensate for the inaccuracy of such a "hit", the ICBM is equipped with a nuclear warhead, which +/- a couple of hundred meters does not really solve. That is, if Israel officially recognizes the presence of ICBMs, this is, in practice, automatic recognition of the possession of nuclear weapons bypassing the established procedures with all the ensuing sanctions from the international community and the UN. Therefore, I would like to see a reference to the official recognition of Israel's possession of ICBMs "range from 4,9 to 6,5 thousand km."

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    F-15 and F-16 with cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons


                    This is not strategic aviation. F-15 combat radius (when flying along a mixed profile with a PTB: 1270 km; at low altitude: 600 km; at low altitude with a PTB: 800 km) F-16 (from 1 to 361 km). Strategic aviation is capable of delivering nuclear warheads (with or without a carrier) over a distance of 1-759 km. And cruise missiles with nuclear warheads are not strategic weapons, only tactical ones.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    German-made Dolphin submarines with an autonomy of 30 days, armed with Popay Turbo cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons


                    Again, nuclear-powered cruise missiles are not strategic weapons. Our submarines with "Caliber", which can carry nuclear warheads, are not included in the strategic forces. Only nuclear submarines with sea-based ICBMs.

                    Total, Israel theoretically possesses carriers theoretically available to him nuclear weapons. No nuclear triad Israel does not possess.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Global conflict involves the exchange of blows between the warring parties.


                    For you, the Russian language seems to be non-native.
                    You put in words the meanings they are not peculiar to. That "nuclear triad", then this.
                    "Exchange of blows between the parties", as you have deigned to express, in Russian is denoted by the word "war". And a "global conflict" is a conflict geographically covering most of the inhabited territory of the globe and into which dozens of states are involved (for example, WWII about 40 participants, including the leading world powers at that time; WWII - 62 out of 73 that existed at that time independent states). Conflict between a country with an area of ​​17 km², a population of 125 million. and a country with an area of ​​191 km², a population of 147 million people, located at a distance of 20 km from each other, can in no way be a "global conflict".

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    none of the sane Russian politicians would risk even one hypothetically destroyed city of their country.


                    And how is it that Israel, lacking strategic delivery vehicles, even hypothetically, will be able to destroy any city in Russia? And it's not quite there that complete degenerates are sitting in the leadership. They understand perfectly well that even having destroyed a million-plus city in Russia (which, taking into account the echeloned air defense of the Russian Federation and the means of delivery of hypothetical Israeli nuclear weapons in the form of slow cruise missiles, is very doubtful, to put it mildly, but suppose) and inflicting human losses on it in a million and more, Israel itself will simply cease to exist ... altogether and forever. Therefore, a theoretically possible conflict will be conducted exclusively by conventional means, and anyone who suggests "I ... be a vigorous loaf" the Jews themselves will quietly in a corner and strangle them.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The last time the Israelis fought childishly 26 years ago. That is, against tank troops, air defense, aviation.


                    This is where, when and with whom, do not remind?
                    The last really serious and large-scale mess is 1973, the 4th Arab-Israeli war. What are 26 years ago? It has been 45 years. Even if you count from 1982 (Lebanon war, although everything was much more modest there), then 36 years. Several generations of the military and command succeeded. Which of them now knows how to fight without overwhelming superiority in the air, overwhelming superiority in technology, weapons and forces, not against the nudist slippers, but against the modern army, which has the whole spectrum of modern weapons?

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Russia - well, if you do not take into account the pacification of Georgia in 2008, where there was complete dominance of the Russian Air Force in the air and not only, then in 1945.


                    Well yes. Korea-Vietnam-Iraq-Syria-Egypt we all dreamed of all sorts. There is a question in the concept of warfare. Israel communicated too closely with the amers. Despite the really great combat experience of the Israeli army, the concept of large-scale war was adopted from amers. Suppression of air defense — gaining dominance in the air — destruction of military infrastructure — finishing off scattered remnants of enemy troops.
                    For a full-scale war, without air superiority, no one has been studying for a long time. But in vain.

                    So do not extol Israel and its military capabilities.
                    In his region and against traditional opponents, he is a serious force. Against the Russian army, of course, too. There is no hatred. In a full-blown conflict, the Russian army will suffer serious losses - this is a fact. But the potentials of countries are not comparable.
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 11 October 2018 17: 57
                      0
                      For the first time in some time I will answer. You understand the English language "MOV". https://youtu.be/Vxim7cx39bc
                      I’m afraid I will find an official report to the US Congress on the range of Jericho.

              2. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2018 11: 01
                +15
                The presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is a very controversial issue and resembles disinformation to contain its evil neighbors. Insider says that fussing with Mordyhai Vanunu (who finished cutting and sewing courses like a low-skilled nuclear engineer, converted to Judaism and was baptized for a bunch of people) is a purely propaganda campaign of information war and is sewn with white threads, like the Skripals case. The triad includes ICBMs, nuclear submarines and strategic aviation. Of all, there is only a ballistic missile closer to the medium range, which can reach the Russian Federation. Naturally, without depth of territory, the launchers are covered with a disarming blow from the Superpower. There is a submarine with a CD, but again this is more likely psychological pressure on Iran about a strike of retaliation, like a dead hand. Even the presence of a limited potential of nuclear weapons can make it possible to harm a regional neighbor, but not a Superpower for sure, especially since the development of missile defense systems is underway, both in the United States and in the Russian Federation, and it is not a great task to intercept single ballistic missiles, even now, given that the suicide must be the first to open fire, and a massive attack is not given to everyone.
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Russia, by what it has in Syria, cannot and does not want to fight, because she has other goals for being in the region.

                There are times when you have to fight, it was an attack on Russian peacekeepers in Georgia, it was an attempt to expel our base in Sevastopol. Israel is no exception.
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Therefore, talking about the possibility of a war with Israel is an inadequate child's babble of people far from the army.

                Saakashvillo said: "Tyapun on your tongue ... what a war with Russia", especially in Ukraine, pink bubbles were also blown up. For some reason, your brother always has some kind of illusion. And oskarbleniya about babbling says that you are a naive dilettante, my friend, wars began because of smaller trifles, and then the Israeli whine, they say, we will fly and shoot at you all the same. Well, maybe we'll endure provocation a couple of times, but no more. Moreover, the Russian Federation does not need to deliver a direct nuclear strike against Israel, there are many other ways that no one will have time to utter a word. A couple of methods have been worked out in Indochina. Also, bacteriological weapons work well in your areas, mosquitoes do not hibernate, like a problem in northern latitudes. Who told you that we do not have such funds.
                1. Nychego
                  Nychego 9 October 2018 11: 50
                  +1
                  The large village of Izrailovka has one big plus, turning into a cross on the plans for a Russian nuclear strike against Israel. This cross-plus is an overseas ally with a full-fledged triad and quite a superpower.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2018 12: 01
                    +12
                    Israel is not a member of NATO, and in which case the owner will turn away from him. NATO does not accept state entities that always argue with neighbors and do not resolve territorial disputes, so that crooks do not drag civilized countries into a big war. And it is right.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 October 2018 13: 09
                      -3
                      Quote: hrych
                      Israel is not a member of NATO, and in which case the owner will turn away from him. NATO does not accept state entities that always argue with neighbors and do not resolve territorial disputes, so that crooks do not drag civilized countries into a big war. And it is right.

                      Civilized is Turkey, Bulgaria? )))
                      1. ochakow703
                        ochakow703 9 October 2018 16: 37
                        +3
                        Well, the worse is Turkey with Bulgaria - Israel? Nice and warm ... resort.
                      2. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 32
                        +1
                        over there, a NATO member clearly said: Israel is a terrorist state))) so that in the end NATO will come running to kick Israel, they always do that, and they will also be winners, ISIS didn’t have time to win so even though they finish Israel
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 9 October 2018 12: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: Nychego
                    The large village of Izrailovka has one big plus, turning into a cross on the plans for a Russian nuclear strike against Israel. This cross-plus is an overseas ally with a full-fledged triad and quite a superpower.

                    Do you really think that the United States will expose at least one city to the threat of nuclear destruction due to the Jews? laughing Not in life. They will grieve and curse Russia in the media. Maybe Israeli citizen Abramovich will be included in the sanctions list as revenge. And they will prohibit the sale of iPhones in the Russian Federation. Directly))
                    1. Nychego
                      Nychego 9 October 2018 12: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Do you really think that the United States will expose at least one city to the threat of nuclear destruction due to the Jews?

                      Allow me "in a Jewish way", a question to a question: Do you really think that the Russian "elites" do not give a shit so much that they will dare to unleash a global nuclear war out of the blue?
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 12: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Nychego

                        Allow me "in a Jewish way", a question to a question: Do you really think that the Russian "elites" do not give a shit so much that they will dare to unleash a global nuclear war out of the blue?

                        That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
                      2. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 36
                        +2
                        that they will decide to start a global nuclear war out of the blue

                        for us, the death of our guys is not an equal place.

                        where you saw a global war, well, think of a combined arms operation, by the forces of Iran and Syria. Israel is not afraid of them, they have a war like that anyway, no different from the current situation, well, and if he dies, he wants the whole world to ruin, well, there’s no doubt which side the United States will be on. Suicidal psychos if it is not possible to isolate - destroy
                      3. Nychego
                        Nychego 10 October 2018 03: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: aquatic
                        for us, the death of our guys is not an equal place.

                        So you are not from the "elite", I hope.
                        Quote: aquatic
                        where did you see the global war

                        In the proposals of the forum participants that I commented on, to strike nuclear weapons against Israel.
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                    3. MKPU-115
                      MKPU-115 9 October 2018 21: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Quote: Nychego
                      The large village of Izrailovka has one big plus, turning into a cross on the plans for a Russian nuclear strike against Israel. This cross-plus is an overseas ally with a full-fledged triad and quite a superpower.

                      Maybe Israeli citizen Abramovich will be included in the sanctions list as revenge.

                      You can only dream about it.
                  3. aquatic
                    aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 29
                    -1
                    The large village of Izrailovka has one big plus, turning into a cross on the plans for a Russian nuclear strike against Israel. This cross-plus is an overseas ally with a full-fledged triad and quite a superpower.


                    it’s quite) won’t get the guns and give money, don’t hesitate, but to fight .... yourself somehow)) think how it once happened to drive a couple of nuclear weapons))))? oh, I have doubts about this, even Obama threw Israel) and Trump))) so they themselves will fight, if they want, of course, no one forces them to do so, let them return something else, at least compensate for economic losses, put the killers in prison and live calmly.
                  4. I fudo
                    I fudo 11 October 2018 12: 42
                    -1
                    strikes Russia in Israel. Does the US launch its missiles right there? Or is Trump calling Putin and everything is shaking up with peace and sanctions? Already without Israel? Do you really think that someone will die for an ally?
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 October 2018 11: 55
                  0
                  Quote: hrych
                  The presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is a very controversial issue and resembles disinformation to contain its evil neighbors. Insider says that fussing with Mordyhai Vanunu (who finished cutting and sewing courses like a low-skilled nuclear engineer, converted to Judaism and was baptized for a bunch of people) is a purely propaganda campaign of information war and is sewn with white threads, like the Skripals case. The triad includes ICBMs, nuclear submarines and strategic aviation. Of all, there is only a ballistic missile closer to the medium range, which can reach the Russian Federation. Naturally, without depth of territory, the launchers are covered with a disarming blow from the Superpower. There is a submarine with a CD, but again this is more likely psychological pressure on Iran about a strike of retaliation, like a dead hand. Even the presence of a limited potential of nuclear weapons can make it possible to harm a regional neighbor, but not a Superpower for sure, especially since the development of missile defense systems is underway, both in the United States and in the Russian Federation, and it is not a great task to intercept single ballistic missiles, even now, given that the suicide must be the first to open fire, and a massive attack is not given to everyone.
                  There are times when you have to fight, it was an attack on Russian peacekeepers in Georgia, it was an attempt to expel our base in Sevastopol. Israel is no exception.
                  Saakashvillo said: "Tyapun on your tongue ... what a war with Russia", especially in Ukraine, pink bubbles were also blown up. For some reason, your brother always has some kind of illusion. And oskarbleniya about babbling says that you are a naive dilettante, my friend, wars began because of smaller trifles, and then the Israeli whine, they say, we will fly and shoot at you all the same. Well, maybe we'll endure provocation a couple of times, but no more. Moreover, the Russian Federation does not need to deliver a direct nuclear strike against Israel, there are many other ways that no one will have time to utter a word. A couple of methods have been worked out in Indochina. Also, bacteriological weapons work well in your areas, mosquitoes do not hibernate, like a problem in northern latitudes. Who told you that we do not have such funds.

                  laughing Look at the geological map of Israel, you will understand why the country does not need territorial depth to answer. Israel is not Georgia and Ukraine, it doesn’t run into a war, in the case of misunderstandings, it actively begins to engage in diplomacy, because It is a warring country with a high standard of living and it does not need extra conflicts. Especially with a nuclear superpower, especially with a part of a significant electorate that associates itself to one degree or another with this superpower. On the use of weapons of bacteriological, chemical, laser, Death Star and other - no comment. )))
                  Russia in this region needs a permanent military presence in the form of bases in Syria, and the war with Israel will certainly not contribute to this goal.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2018 12: 17
                    +5
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Death Stars and more

                    Well, of course, megalomania and rushing to the cosmic scale. Your illegal education in Palestine, which does not have a single megalopolis, does not even have a millionaire city, so if we don’t even apply for you Strategic means, there will be enough tactical ones. Microbiology has been used since ancient times, for example, lepers were sent to hostile territory, dead bodies from the plague were thrown into wells, so this is not fantastic. The West applies microbiology against us through the Georgian laboratory in particular, though the blow is mainly caused by livestock, there are no suitable viruses and bacteria, or rather there are no suitable carriers due to the changing season in the Russian Federation, insects die. We kind of abandoned the chemical, although no one can verify the binary, the laser Peresvet was adopted, and the space group has at least 140 spacecraft at the VKS. These are such stars of death, the flight of some is visible on a clear night. Therefore, I repeat, your sarcasm is completely inappropriate and is associated with low knowledge in this area, read carefully the articles of the Military Review, you will be smart to die wassat
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 October 2018 12: 34
                      -2
                      I’ll die smart, reading in Krasnodar, sho in the Kuban, Military Review, that's just about the city - millionaire - here you have a mistake. Tel Aviv, fused with Ramat Gan, Bat Yam and Givatayim + Petah Tikva and Bnei Brak - this is one and a half million people. The border between the cities is the street. Municipalities are different, but still))
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 9 October 2018 13: 28
                        +6
                        Well, like the core of the Gush Dan agglomeration. Well I’ll tell our rocket men, let’s take a closer look wassat This agglomeration is the main heel of Achilles, there is a third of the population of Israel (3,2 million), and in fact half of the country's Jewish ethnic group, because 1,8 million citizens of Arab origin almost do not live here, the same Gush Dan smoothly moves to Greater Haifa, where the population of the metropolitan area is over a million and where more than 80% are Jews. Those. for 4 million they live very compactly and on the coastal plain (Poseidon take it). Therefore, sit better in Krasnodar quietly and peacefully wassat
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 14: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Well, like the core of the Gush Dan agglomeration. Well I’ll tell our rocket men, let’s take a closer look wassat This agglomeration is the main heel of Achilles, there is a third of the population of Israel (3,2 million), and in fact half of the country's Jewish ethnic group, because 1,8 million citizens of Arab origin almost do not live here, the same Gush Dan smoothly moves to Greater Haifa, where the population of the metropolitan area is over a million and where more than 80% are Jews. Those. for 4 million they live very compactly and on the coastal plain (Poseidon take it). Therefore, sit better in Krasnodar quietly and peacefully wassat

                        Well, if YOU say this to the rocketers, then oh-wei, Givolt, save yourself, who can laughing Gush Dan also smoothly transitions to "Big Haifa", like Krasnodar to Gelendzhik, but not the point))
                        And thanks for the advice, what would I do without you? And, I know, I would fly for the weekend to the Big Be'er Sheva, which smoothly turns into Little Eilat.
              3. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2018 11: 21
                +9
                But most importantly, Israel is not an independent state, this small and vicious doggie on a leash of the West. So they kicked out from Sinai when the West’s task in Suez was achieved, so they made them shut up to strike Iran, because the main thing for the West is the oil market, not your Wishlist. You will fulfill what you decide in the West, so popshihite, get on a bale and calm down. Take care of the Palestinians, otherwise you will have entire armies in the rear, which will soon receive MANPADS, they will not let you go any further, they even hung up in Lebanon a couple of times. And so I want to challenge global powers, the USA can’t control it and is afraid of us, but here is a small loud creature ... As the Washington tiger says, you will do so
                1. YUG64
                  YUG64 9 October 2018 12: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  +1
                  But most importantly, Israel is not an independent state, this small and vicious doggie on a leash of the West.
                  This, in my opinion, is the very case when the tail wags the dog ... So do not flatter yourself ...))
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 October 2018 12: 09
                  -3
                  Importantly, do not be nervous))
                  And if you have questions about how Jews in Lebanon were piled for the second time, I will answer them with pleasure, because the first time I was not there due to the admission to study in the first class of the Russian-Moldavian school # 12 in Chisinau laughing
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2018 12: 43
                    +8
                    And then I’m nervous. Dogs bark, the caravan goes on. In the same Syria wassat That you freak out there, the ring is compressed. That’s the stumbling block of Hezbollah, on behalf of which the Israelis tremble in a dream, who kicked the Israelis out of southern Lebanon, then hit on the teeth and the second occupation did not take place with burnt merkas and shot down aircraft. This movement took an active part and gained invaluable combat experience in the elimination of the friends igiloid and partly foster Israel in Syria. Most importantly, the myth of the invincibility of the Israelis ... over the Arabs is debunked. And Hezbollah did this. Therefore, such a nervousness, when the Russian Federation now does not allow impunity to attack our allies. And the consequences for the Israelis and the diaspora, by the way, will also happen over time. And the mood in Russian society rocked the pendulum in the other direction. Also, the situation with the S-300 showed that the military lobby overpowered the liberal lobby inside Russia and it was only a matter of time before it all ended.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 October 2018 13: 18
                      -3
                      Quote: hrych
                      And then I’m nervous. Dogs bark, the caravan goes on. In the same Syria wassat That you freak out there, the ring is compressed. That’s the stumbling block of Hezbollah, on behalf of which the Israelis tremble in a dream, who kicked the Israelis out of southern Lebanon, then hit on the teeth and the second occupation did not take place with burnt merkas and shot down aircraft. This movement took an active part and gained invaluable combat experience in the elimination of the friends igiloid and partly foster Israel in Syria. Most importantly, the myth of the invincibility of the Israelis ... over the Arabs is debunked. And Hezbollah did this. Therefore, such a nervousness, when the Russian Federation now does not allow impunity to attack our allies. And the consequences for the Israelis and the diaspora, by the way, will also happen over time. And the mood in Russian society rocked the pendulum in the other direction. Also, the situation with the S-300 showed that the military lobby overpowered the liberal lobby inside Russia and it was only a matter of time before it all ended.

                      On behalf of Hezbollah, I really shudder in a dream laughing Everyday. Especially when I remember how I got tough in 2006)))
                      As for the re-occupation of Lebanon - I don’t know if there were such plans, but the fact that the IDF remained in the south of this unfortunate country a month after the ceasefire extorted by Nasrallah was such.
                      And about the consequences for the Israeli diaspora within the Russian Federation can be more detailed? It became already interesting))
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 9 October 2018 14: 00
                        +6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And about the consequences for the Israeli diaspora within the Russian Federation can be more detailed? It became already interesting))

                        Oh, this is the Israeli press writes about the anti-Israeli sentiments of Russian citizens in social networks after the provocation that led to the death of the Russian military, with a smooth transition to the growth of xenophobia. What led to the growth, it is scary to say, of anti-liberal sentiments in society, and even that all coincided with an increase in the retirement age and economic difficulties due to sanctions, although in Israel the retirement ages are 62 and 67, respectively.
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                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 15: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: hrych
                        although in Israel the retirement age is 62 and 67, respectively.

                        In Israel, no one is whining about this. Although the average pension is $ 1500 per month. Given the difference in the cost of living - it feels like in the Russian Federation + - 40-45 thousand rubles a month.
              4. faridg7
                faridg7 9 October 2018 14: 54
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Israel is not a developed country hostile to Russia with a pretty good, modern and rather big army, possessing, according to non-Israeli sources, a nuclear triad. Jews don’t want a conflict with Russia, they don’t aggravate, because the bulk of the people who fought and were at war there or who were under the “air alert”, let’s say so, therefore, they don’t intend to conduct military operations against a hostile country

                We omit the words about the triad of Israel (we have not yet publicly admitted it), but statements about Israel’s non-hostility towards Russia look like statements about the usefulness of roundworm to the human body. However, as in relation to many countries and peoples.
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 9 October 2018 19: 16
                  -2
                  Have you been stung by a scorpion for a long time? (Well, I liked it). Underestimation however ....
              5. aquatic
                aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 09
                0
                I dare say that Georgia and Ukraine are, with all due respect, developing countries that are openly hostile to Russia, and at the same time are rather weakly armed and organized. Israel is not a developed country hostile to Russia with a pretty good, modern and rather big army, possessing, according to non-Israeli sources, a nuclear triad. Jews don’t want a conflict with Russia, they don’t aggravate, because the bulk of people who fought and were at war there for the most part or who were under “air alert”, let’s say so, therefore they don’t intend to conduct military operations against a hostile country. Russia, by what it has in Syria, cannot and does not want to fight, because she has other goals for being in the region. Moreover, the global war with the state possessing nuclear weapons, even with the guaranteed victory of the Russian Federation, also fell for no one for obvious reasons.
                Therefore, talking about the possibility of a war with Israel is an inadequate child's babble of people far from the army.


                Israel has no triad, no nuclear weapons) and their king is naked)
                I dare say that Israel was preparing a war between Georgia and Russia, units of the IDF are fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. So what about not hostile is not necessary for us here. Israel is the enemy. Whether the war will be with him or not at the moment depends only on him, he will carry out everything that the war should not. But for some reason, it seems to me that it was not in vain that Putin gave the Israeli Prime Minister a Jewish war.
              6. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 10 October 2018 05: 49
                +2
                Israel is a developed, self-sufficient country, and Ukraine is a miserable fragment of the Soviet empire.
              7. aiden
                aiden 11 October 2018 01: 11
                0
                Israel is not a Russian friendly state. you need to stay away from such friends. they are america friends. but not to us. for me personally this country is an enemy. Israel is a sponsor of terrorism, Israel killed our guys. Do friends do this? such friends by the legs and about the fence
            2. tezey
              tezey 9 October 2018 14: 42
              +3
              What does the nuclear triad and local conflict in Syria. If Israel does not use nuclear weapons first, then there will be no corresponding response from the Russian Federation. Or do you think that Israel will be presented with an ultimatum threatening to use nuclear weapons if the requirements are not fulfilled? Of course not. The situation in Syria is radically different than in 2008 with Georgia and 2014 with Ukraine. The Israeli army in terms of equipment and training of personnel and command is two orders of magnitude higher than the Georgian or Ukrainian army. It must not be underestimated. A large-scale military clash between the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Israel is not necessary for both sides. Rhetoric on both sides is one thing, and practice is another. The worst situation for us is a military clash between coalition forces and annexed Israel with our military. This must be avoided.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 October 2018 14: 57
                +1
                Quote: Theseus
                What does the nuclear triad and local conflict in Syria. If Israel does not use nuclear weapons first, then there will be no corresponding response from the Russian Federation. Or do you think that Israel will be presented with an ultimatum threatening to use nuclear weapons if the requirements are not fulfilled? Of course not. The situation in Syria is radically different than in 2008 with Georgia and 2014 with Ukraine. The Israeli army in terms of equipment and training of personnel and command is two orders of magnitude higher than the Georgian or Ukrainian army. It must not be underestimated. A large-scale military clash between the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Israel is not necessary for both sides. Rhetoric on both sides is one thing, and practice is another. The worst situation for us is a military clash between coalition forces and annexed Israel with our military. This must be avoided.

                good Absolutely.
              2. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2018 15: 44
                +4
                Stop, stop, what are the clashes of the RF Armed Forces and Israel? Are you talking about the battle of tank armies or what? This will never happen. The Israelis told us that they would continue to launch air strikes against Syria, despite the delivery of the S-300, we intended to prevent this by using these systems and helping the Syrians defend the sky. By the way, this has already happened under the USSR and the Israelis were very sorry. If our calculations suffer, and this is threatened, then we can get a situation in which we will be forced to announce enforcement of peace, for example, to destroy Israeli airfields and its aircraft. This does not require a clash of ground forces and tank armies, especially since there is a border with complex geography. But it is possible and necessary to strike tactical and cruise missiles at airfields, and if this leads to large-scale hostilities, then all means, including nuclear ones, of the Russian Federation can be used depending on expediency. And the stronger the resistance, the sooner super-powerful weapons will be used. This is hypothetically and in response to the arrogant and irresponsible statements of the Israelis and their associates in the blogosphere. In fact, for Israel to start a war with the Russian Federation, uniform suicide, well, Israel doesn’t have the strength to fight the Superpower, I repeat, the Russian Federation has global tracking / guidance / positioning systems, i.e. the start and flight of each Israeli aircraft will be tracked and neutralized if necessary, this is not the seventies. And the brave speeches of Israeli bloggers, plus the insulted speeches of the Israeli rulers, and hysteria in the press, of course do not mean that the war has just begun. So far, Israeli lawlessness has made it extremely difficult in the skies of Syria, Lebanon and from the water area. We’ve settled on that, and the war with the Russian Federation is certainly problematic for the Russian Federation, but destructive for Israel, they can’t cope with Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah, the war with Iran is 50/50 for him and even the victory will be Pyrrova, and then the Russian Federation, well nonsense. Benny is not at all cuckoo, like some bloggers, he is afraid to stick his nose in the south of Lebanon, even though Hezbollah himself sent most of the fighters to Syria.
              3. aquatic
                aquatic 9 October 2018 19: 46
                0
                clash of coalition forces with annexed Israel with our military.


                such local clashes have already taken place, and for a long time and not long ago, there are those who died on both sides, so it would be good to discuss that it would not be too late. No one does not underestimate the Israeli army, there is something to think about .... there is.

                Do not worry about the large-scale military clash of the Russian forces with Israel, the Russian forces are simply not there for a large-scale clash, ours are there to gain air superiority, the rest will be done by the Syrians and Iran.
            3. Dull
              Dull 9 October 2018 16: 08
              0
              Quote: hrych
              All this is so, below already with non-Russian flags, they began to philosophize,

              You want to say that NanoVoucher or Ne Dimon is more patriotic than expats from the Russian Federation? Can you motivate?
              Quote: hrych
              Also, unlike the S-200, the S-300 has a vertical start and a much shorter reaction time, with all the consequences.

              With 300 PM 1 is in service with Greece, which is located in NATO. Do you think they do not know the possibilities of the complex? Undoubtedly, this is better than the C 200, but ... hi
              1. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2018 16: 31
                +3
                Well, Dimon, such as a liberal-Westerner-patriot, somehow carried out import substitution, great successes in agriculture, with his presidency, control of the Caucasus Range was seized, with his premiership, Crimea and the Sea of ​​Azov were seized. He may not like it, do not shine with intellect, or move the clock to the wrong place, but he is an integral part of the Putin regime, which has led the country to excellent armed forces and food security. Pension reform is a separate issue and rather it is external, ultimatum requirements to our elite.
                Quote: Dumb
                Do you think they do not know the possibilities of the complex?

                The principle does not change, the radar emits a signal of a certain frequency, it is reflected from the aircraft, the operator observes its reflection on the display of the control panel, the missile is launched, it flies to the target in an inertial circuit, then the target is guided, for some target it is necessary to highlight the target (semi-active ), for some not, in particular for GOS over-horizon missiles S-400. And although the complexes fell into the hands of the enemy, they cannot do anything special, unless they test their planes and make sure of the declared parameters. A vertical launch makes it possible to instantly redirect the missile in any direction, it does not require a turn of the installation, it can instantly fire at targets coming from different directions. High mobility, very quickly brought to a fighting position from a march, also quickly breaks down after firing. Air defense missiles are very high-speed, fly at a hypersonic speed of 6 Machs, a very reliable contactless detonation system. Another possibility is to work fully in automatic mode, to work with external target designation, and to turn on the target illumination radar when approaching a rocket to the range of the GOS and many more bells and whistles.
                1. Dull
                  Dull 9 October 2018 20: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: hrych
                  Well, Dimon, such as a liberal-Westerner-patriot, somehow carried out import substitution, great successes in agriculture, with his presidency, control of the Caucasus Range was seized, with his premiership, Crimea and the Sea of ​​Azov were seized. He may not like it, do not shine with intellect, move the clock to the wrong place, but he is an integral part of Putin’s regime, which led the country to excellent armed forces and food security

                  Compare the successes of China and the Russian Federation over the period of 18 years of rule. We were not called a "gas station" for nothing. Can you name another such country with such a stratification of income and such corruption?
                  Quote: hrych
                  Pension reform is a separate issue and rather it is external, ultimatum requirements to our elite.

                  Just this? laughing
                  Quote: hrych
                  Do you think they do not know the possibilities of the complex?

                  To neutralize the capabilities of the system, you need to know its basic principles of operation. Do you disagree? How long is the C 300 PM 1 in Greece? And do you think that NATO experts have not studied it up and down? Now they are in "terrible doubts" how to neutralize such a system? laughing hi
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2018 21: 30
                    +2
                    The Chinese successes are exaggerated that they were allowed to do what they did, the level of technology that the West provided him for global consumer goods. Therefore, they could not make their own jet engine for a fighter, they could not copy ours, so they had to buy our outdated one. In short, in the atomic, reactive, etc., which is the pinnacle of human progress, the Chinese are lagging behind, if we are not ahead of the United States, then we are on the level. Because the S-300 complexes, the Chinese are buying from us. It is impossible to neutralize the S-300, in the first the Greeks got the export option, but it is different, and in the second there is no way to neutralize it simply. How to neutralize a Kalashnikov assault rifle, even if everyone knows how it works wassat Here, too, well, the emitter, well, the receiver, well, the computer, well, the rocket and that’s all. hi
                    1. Dull
                      Dull 10 October 2018 09: 02
                      +2
                      Quote: hrych
                      The Chinese successes are exaggerated that they were allowed to do what they did, the level of technology that the West provided him for global consumer goods.

                      China has problems with the quality of the blades in engines. Sooner or later, they will bring it to mind. With the "consumer goods" in the field of electronics and rocketry, you were not mistaken in the case? Look at the number of launches and their Space Program. I think it makes no sense to prove that the components of all electronic devices are 90% made in China. By the way, the most powerful supercomputer is in China.
                      Quote: hrych
                      It is impossible to neutralize the S-300, in the first the Greeks got the export option, but it is different, and in the second there is no way to neutralize it simply.

                      There are Radio Electronic Warfare Means, but you don't know. Remember the Donald Cook incident on the Black Sea? This is how EW works. hi
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 10 October 2018 12: 55
                        +2
                        The Chinese space program is the first step, and it is 50 years behind the Russian Federation in manned space exploration, also behind in global systems, etc. And the number of starts is a very arbitrary indicator. The point is quality. Although the Russian Aerospace Forces have at least 140 military satellites only, which is very, very ... but of course we are inferior to the West by satellite constellation, but we do not need how much they have, we need as much as we need to carry out combat missions. Therefore, we have as many launches as we need, and who needs more - go ahead, but Beidu is not global and weak, they are negotiating to unite with the EU, which is also experiencing difficulties. Paws are half the trouble. After all, they copied our engine, having spent 20 years, by the way, it turned out one to one, we just have a thousand or two hours of motor resources, and they only got forty. Those. disposable. That's all, and the shoulder blades are one little secret, there are plenty of them.
                        EW works in a way that the distance to the target is very important and the power of the emitter is a multiple of the dimensions. In the case of Cook (it’s not confirmed actually what was there, but in theory it is possible) the plane emitter cut down several tens of meters from the enemy’s electronic systems, and if you take a microwave magnetron, make a simple directional resonator, then it’s fashionable to burn microcircuits from 10-15 meters a little further and there is already not enough power to burn, but you can disrupt the operation of the circuits, a little further, only cause interference, and even further and in general there is no sense. And then the plane’s emitter is certainly more powerful and can burn up everything in a few hundred meters, cause kilometers to interfere with the operation of devices and that's it. However, in real, combat conditions, no one will let the plane go a hundred meters or even several kilometers. Accordingly, we have all sorts of Kraukhi, etc. But of course they operate on 150-300 kilometers (exact characteristics are certainly a secret), but they only create interference in the operation of electronics, primarily radar and GPS. Therefore, they are more effective precisely against Israeli aviation and their missiles. The S-300 radar has a detection range so far beyond the range of such enemy systems, up to 1000 km of ballistic missiles and 300 km of aircraft, this fires at the target closer, up to 150-200 km, has the ability to change the channel, and other anti-interference options. In this case, Israeli aviation and their jammers are at a more disadvantageous position, they have to fly up, they don’t have a powerful ground-based electronic warfare device like Krasuha, they have a less powerful radar station, etc., which indicates the effective range of both detection and and jamming. After all, our Ministry of Defense announced not only about air defense, but also about electronic warfare. And if the missile’s seeker hijacked the target for 5-10 km, it’s too late to deceive it with its speed of 2 km per second, it’s 2-4 seconds and the target is scattered into pieces, even if the brains burned out of the rocket with a microwave drinks
              2. intuzazist
                intuzazist 9 October 2018 18: 00
                +2
                IS ALWAYS!!! Always export versions of weapons are inferior in terms of technical specifications to weapons in service, exporting countries!
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 9 October 2018 07: 47
          -4
          Bedouins of camels are planted entirely on a spit - they will also deal with a horse.
        3. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 9 October 2018 08: 21
          0
          don’t find fault with it on the keyboard of the smartphone Zh and D near and t9 is even to the heap and for t9 it’s closer fried than donated
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 9 October 2018 11: 10
          0
          This is a gifted rooster pecking in the buttock, and the horse is definitely roasted. laughing
      2. SAF
        SAF 9 October 2018 08: 12
        +3
        People said - They don’t look at the gift horse in the mouth
      3. venik
        venik 9 October 2018 09: 07
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The article also says that the modifications are old. And donated, but as they say, they don’t look at a roasted horse ....

        ========
        So in the previous commentary it’s not about "fried horse" ... Igor has about reputational (!) losses! It doesn't matter whether the new modifications or the old ones - if the "sons of Israel" or "mattress makers" destroy something - NOBODY will mention that the complexes are old !!! "All the royal men" in unison will raise a howl, one hundred S-300 - "bullshit" advertised !!!! They did not do such tricks!
      4. BAI
        BAI 9 October 2018 09: 42
        0
        . And donated, but as they say, they don’t look at a roast horse ....

        In the event of a collision, no one will remember whether the weapons were donated or donated. USA helps Israel too. Everyone will look at the result and draw conclusions.
      5. PalBor
        PalBor 9 October 2018 11: 33
        -1
        The people say: they don’t look at a gift horse ... they don’t look at any places, but not at a roast one. Even, by the way, my countrymen at the place of birth - Kyrgyz horses do not fry
      6. private person
        private person 9 October 2018 21: 30
        +1
        It was justified in advance that the S-300PM is an outdated model and Israel may go unpunished once again.
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 9 October 2018 07: 02
      +7
      Oh, why are they just not threatening us. Even if they say they knock everything down, they will write that they didn’t hit. Business then.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 9 October 2018 07: 12
        +8
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Oh, why are they just not threatening us. Even if they say they knock everything down, they will write that they didn’t hit. Business then.

        DYA. Do not hit! Everyone was already at home.
    3. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 9 October 2018 07: 03
      +6
      Igor hi -this is a double-edged sword, all the more striking at the same time - or we will be forced to shoot down Jewish planes there as soon as there is a threat to our military facilities and personnel from the Israelis, or the Syrians then our c300 will stupidly scam, putting them under attack. ..
    4. Bykov.
      Bykov. 9 October 2018 07: 04
      +3
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

      Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.

      What is the main thing in a tank? ... and not only in the tank.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 9 October 2018 07: 20
        +14
        Climate control wassat
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 October 2018 07: 56
          +9
          When they rule politics, the military smokes ba-ba-belomor aside!
          Then the media will get what you want, only people cannot be returned from that!
          Until the command BEAT is clearly given, everything sho has approached, crossed, flew over, for this clear line .... everything may end badly.
          Negotiating with the elect is useless! They have long ceased to be sane, but at the expense of reliable, honest, etc. even stutter .... forget!
    5. SGarnik
      SGarnik 9 October 2018 07: 58
      -3
      Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.

      Our standby time and the first losses on our part are quite possible.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 9 October 2018 09: 46
        -2
        And from the enemy’s side, how? Possible losses?
    6. KCA
      KCA 9 October 2018 08: 48
      +5
      What reputational losses can arise when the decommissioned complex is destroyed? Amer Patriot repeatedly licks in Yemen and Saudi Arabia, it doesn’t bother anyone, they recently bought psheks
    7. forester
      forester 9 October 2018 09: 22
      +2
      The article contains only guesses, conjectures and fantasies. Generally it is clear that nothing is clear - in short, wait and see. And the conjectures of every blogosphere are on the drum, but the fact that the Jews are driven to Moscow and Netanyahu is zealous, has already announced the trip, suggests that in reality their fifth point is burning, and the bravura statements of some types of "specialists" are more similar hysterical
      1. provergatel
        provergatel 9 October 2018 10: 51
        0
        This is called: doing a good face in a bad game. laughing
    8. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 9 October 2018 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.


      Here it’s not difficult to even predict, having the time and capabilities to test and push through air defense by tactical aviation is quite real.
      A lot of factors affect: the location of the divisions, the frequency of the change of position, the operating time of the radars, ambush tactics - i.e. the experience of anti-aircraft gunners, against the experience of tactical aviation the odds are approximately equal.

      Tactical aviation probes the location of divisions, determines signatures and radiation patterns of radars, triangulates the approximate location of radars and launchers.

      The attack may look like a tactical link in the EW aircraft, provokes the inclusion of the division’s radar and produces jamming, while the next low-level strike unit launches HARM-type missiles in an attempt to hit the radar. After that, the main group of tactical aviation fulfills PU. Something like this, the Israelis shot down the MiG-25 over Lebanon, using a bait plane, clogging the communication channel with the electronic warfare operator and launching the MiG-25, F-15 from a low altitude against the underlying surface of the MIG could not detect it with its radar ...

      Similarly, anti-aircraft gunners can use airborne data from other systems, and turn on the radar for target designation at a certain moment (ambush tactics), cover the S-300 with ZRAK complexes.
      However, if the Israelis use data from low-altitude U.S. reconnaissance satellites, it’s relatively easy to open the area’s air defense structure.
      In general, the chances of air defense / tactical aviation are 50/50, when you connect a reconnaissance satellite group, the chances of air defense are much lower.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 October 2018 10: 25
        0
        This is all complicated.
        There will be a BEAT team, and not organize such conditions, such as obstructing ....
        There will be specialists, Schaub and with such limited resources to organize effective destruction of the aggressor! Cause significant damage to the "invincible" flying flock of the elect ....
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 10: 56
        -1
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.


        Here it’s not difficult to even predict, having the time and capabilities to test and push through air defense by tactical aviation is quite real.
        A lot of factors affect: the location of the divisions, the frequency of the change of position, the operating time of the radars, ambush tactics - i.e. the experience of anti-aircraft gunners, against the experience of tactical aviation the odds are approximately equal.

        Tactical aviation probes the location of divisions, determines signatures and radiation patterns of radars, triangulates the approximate location of radars and launchers.

        The attack may look like a tactical link in the EW aircraft, provokes the inclusion of the division’s radar and produces jamming, while the next low-level strike unit launches HARM-type missiles in an attempt to hit the radar. After that, the main group of tactical aviation fulfills PU. Something like this, the Israelis shot down the MiG-25 over Lebanon, using a bait plane, clogging the communication channel with the electronic warfare operator and launching the MiG-25, F-15 from a low altitude against the underlying surface of the MIG could not detect it with its radar ...

        Similarly, anti-aircraft gunners can use airborne data from other systems, and turn on the radar for target designation at a certain moment (ambush tactics), cover the S-300 with ZRAK complexes.
        However, if the Israelis use data from low-altitude U.S. reconnaissance satellites, it’s relatively easy to open the area’s air defense structure.
        In general, the chances of air defense / tactical aviation are 50/50, when you connect a reconnaissance satellite group, the chances of air defense are much lower.

        Explanatory commentary, everything about the case. Israel has its own hanging companions there. Let's hope that the Russian military will not become participants in the database.
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 9 October 2018 11: 47
          +4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Explanatory commentary, everything about the case. Israel has its own hanging companions there. Let's hope that the Russian military will not become participants in the database.


          Israel relies on reconnaissance UAVs, which in the S-300 area of ​​operation significantly lose their effectiveness. It is difficult for them to penetrate to such a range, remaining unnoticed.

          Additionally, air defense can be enhanced by electronic warfare systems.
          If the air defense is reinforced with active jamming complexes, it is possible to "extinguish" the communication of the strike units with the dispatchers, to hamper navigation and data exchange.
          Israeli aviation is one of the most belligerent, with significant experience in breaking through integrated air defense.
          From resonant attacks:
          Operation Opera (Operation Babylon) - carried out by the Israeli Air Force, ending with the destruction of the French-made Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in June 1981. The attacking group (8 F-16A aircraft and 2 F-15A jammers) descended to a height 30 meters trying to fly below the minimum detection height for Iraqi radars.


          Israeli Air Force bombing of a Syrian (nuclear?) Facility in Al-Kibar in 2007

          Etc.
          Yes - these were mostly obsolete air defense systems.
          However, with the development of tactical techniques on the F-35 - the possibility of a breakthrough of the air defense of the area probably increased significantly.
          This will be clearly the first confrontation of such a modern level of air defense systems and tactical aviation.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 October 2018 11: 41
        +4
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        Here it’s not difficult to even predict, having the time and capabilities to test and push through air defense by tactical aviation is quite real.

        If desired, and a sufficient resource, you can crush any air defense. But ... the price of this punching can be very large. In addition, speaking of Syrian air defense, for some reason many people mean only S-300/200/125 air defense systems ... and where did the Syrian and ours aviation, A-50U, EW systems and other air defense systems like BUKs, TORs and Shells go? ? Or with lizards and lightning only the S-300 will butt alone?
    9. volot-voin
      volot-voin 9 October 2018 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.

      They probed our complexes, and we their planes. The battle of technology and minds.
    10. Anatoly R
      Anatoly R 9 October 2018 17: 06
      0
      International waters are marked in blue on this map.

      Ana second map shows gray countries ignoring UN conventions on the law of the sea
    11. Maz
      Maz 9 October 2018 21: 18
      -2
      You feel the difference, before flying to the palmyra, and right now, only along the border ... you just had to not believe them, the world champions in lies and arrogance.
  2. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 9 October 2018 06: 56
    +8
    And I was expecting such a lie from Israel, they need, at least in words, but show Russia their `` superpowers '' to appear, allegedly, almost to our airbase in Syria, relying on their favorite toy-f35.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 October 2018 07: 02
    -4
    Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
    Against this background, information appeared in the media that for the first time after Russian deliveries of S-300 air defense systems to the SAR, the Israeli aviation flew in the region of the Syrian borders.

    Our people face reputational losses in the destruction of the C-300 by the Israelis, as well as the Israelis in the loss of their aircraft from the same c-300.

    And what are the reputational risks of the Israelis?
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 9 October 2018 07: 15
      +9
      the first hit, that is, hit, especially f35 is a complete fiasco of the entire program for the production of an unavailable analogs in the hot f35 hi
      1. Altona
        Altona 9 October 2018 07: 26
        +3
        Quote: ANCIENT
        the first hit, that is, hit, especially f35 is a complete fiasco of the entire program for the production of an unavailable analogs in the hot f35

        -------------------------------
        What are you! All the people of Israel will rise in a single impulse led by Berl Lazar! Netanyahu will immediately impose full pants of sanctions! Nizya! belay You think politically.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 9 October 2018 09: 48
          -2
          And what does the "people of Israel" have to do with it? In this case, the United States is using it as cannon fodder.
          1. Altona
            Altona 9 October 2018 09: 49
            -1
            Quote: Mestny
            And what does the "people of Israel" have to do with it?

            --------------------
            Moreover, in a broad sense. If you do not understand the joke, it makes no sense to explain.
          2. DREDD
            DREDD 9 October 2018 11: 51
            0
            And what does the "people of Israel" have to do with it? In this case, the United States is using it as cannon fodder.
            But it seems to me that no one is allowed to dispose of the "people of Israel" except for the Jewish capitalists in the United States. Only they will decide whether there will be a new "holocaust" or not. "
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 9 October 2018 07: 16
      +5
      The most common. By reducing the intensity of the raids even by half, everyone will be shown that they are afraid of air defense systems. And behind them in the region the line will be built. Or vice versa, by attacking and destroying the c300, they will discourage many from purchasing. And now the question is, are they afraid or will they still be pushed into the embrasure by the states?
      1. Altona
        Altona 9 October 2018 07: 27
        +8
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        The most common. By reducing the intensity of the raids even by half, everyone will be shown that they are afraid of air defense systems. And behind them in the region the line will be built. Or vice versa, by attacking and destroying the c300, they will discourage many from purchasing. And now the question is, are they afraid or will they still be pushed into the embrasure by the states?

        -------------------------
        It is still unknown who is pushing whom.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 9 October 2018 08: 58
        0
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        pushed to embrasure states?

        laughing Found sailor. These mattresses are accustomed to embrasures of a stranger, not only with their breasts but also with their asses. Moreover, Jewish is not an exception, but rather at the forefront.
    3. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 9 October 2018 07: 20
      +4
      Quote: Livonetc
      And what are the reputational risks of the Israelis?

      Imagine shot down one, the second Israeli F-16 ... And if the F-35 knocked down? If the Israelis are afraid to fly as before and do not make efforts to destroy the S-300, and in the end the effectiveness of their regular sorties against Syria drops sharply - is this not a decrease in the reputation of the Israeli Air Force, the political leadership of this country ...
    4. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 9 October 2018 07: 22
      +13
      Quote: Livonetc
      And what are the reputational risks of the Israelis?


      For our blah-blah-blah "we will destroy all the S-300s, they are not a hindrance to us and, in general, they suck" "We have an F-35, which has one tooth for one tooth and then passing by"

      If our complexes drop a couple of Israelis' devices from the sky, this is reputational losses. But in fact, blue stars are not so much afraid of the loss of spacecraft, as they are afraid of the loss of pilots. The S-300 is not an Arrow, if it bangs next to the plane, only pieces will fly from the pilot in different directions, a catapult is not an option.
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 October 2018 07: 51
      +5
      Quote: Livonetc
      And what are the reputational risks of the Israelis?

      They already carried them when they put our plane under attack. Up to this point, there was some hope of interaction and the illusion that you can negotiate with the Jews. Now there are no illusions - Jews cannot be trusted.
  4. Nail
    Nail 9 October 2018 07: 25
    -27
    With such a short range of defeat C300, Israel does not even need to use the F35.

    Enough Popeye Turbo ALCM, Delilah.

    In general, as soon as the Israeli Prime Minister travels to Russia and agrees that the C300 will not be involved until Russian officers are there, otherwise Israel will have to hit the Russian military, then they will simply destroy the C300.

    The C300 is a rather old system and there are quite good missiles and not only that that will destroy the C300 and the rest of the air defense that will cover them, some can also be carried out from the ground.

    Therefore, there is no reason for Putin to disgrace himself and it will be necessary to take capacities as last time with the silt that was brought down, to blame someone - at that time the Israelis this time will be poorly trained Syrian military.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 9 October 2018 07: 30
      +13
      And you determine the range according to the notes in the media?))) With 300 there, as it were, not one) with it everything from the latest generation electronic warfare to the shell.))) Why are these bravura statements? Unlike everyone, our Defense Ministry said that yes, how did it come and they are silent. They don’t scare anyone, they don’t bend a finger. Quietly and calmly do their job. And why the rest burns in one place, decide for yourself)))
      1. Nail
        Nail 9 October 2018 07: 41
        -16
        How do you determine the range of the Popeye Turbo ALCM, Delilah? Do you know how much they really hit? wink

        Have you seen the Israelites?
        When Israel destroyed the nuclear reactor in Syria, the Israeli reb did an excellent job.

        But sad events with mud, when the Russian and Syrian military due to lack of coordination and poorly trained Syrian specialists by the same Russian military led to the death of the Russian military - this is another indicator not in favor of Russia.

        The ridiculous pictures from the C400 radar, which turns out to be seen by all, and Israeli planes that fly in Israel and much more, but did nothing when they saw that a dangerous situation was happening, the Syrian military, who could not share and determine their goals, laughter about Israeli fast planes covered themselves with slow silt, while Israel was already delivering a lot of attacks without any problems, and then he decided to spoil relations with Russia and hide behind an airplane and much more.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 October 2018 07: 43
          +12
          So I don’t scare Israel))) like our Defense Ministry doesn’t) said that, they warned about the consequences and then decide for yourself)
          1. Nail
            Nail 9 October 2018 07: 53
            -14
            Israel has no particular way out.
            Russia was unable or unwilling to oust Iran from Syria and force Assad to abandon Iran, which sponsors and helps various terrorists around Israel.

            The main thing here is to agree that the Russian military should not be hit.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 9 October 2018 07: 55
              +8
              Well, agree) who’s stopping you then?))) But damn))) for sure))) our GRU failed for several years, as it doesn’t exist in nature))) our spies do not give life to the Peaceful West) and how then agree with us?)))
            2. oracul
              oracul 9 October 2018 08: 06
              +14
              And why should Iran force out, because we, albeit situational, but allies in Syria in the fight against terrorists? Whereas the USA, by the hands of Israel, is solving its tasks, allowing it to pursue its goals along the way.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 9 October 2018 09: 16
                -5
                Quote: oracul
                And why should Iran force out, because we, albeit situational, but allies in Syria in the fight against terrorists? Whereas the USA, by the hands of Israel, is solving its tasks, allowing it to pursue its goals along the way.

                Is Iran fighting terrorism in Syria? Just promotes its own terrorists, and we are silent
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 9 October 2018 09: 51
                  0
                  You just do not be silent.
                  Your fellow tribesmen have already bombed Russia. In wet dreams and on sites.
            3. provergatel
              provergatel 9 October 2018 11: 02
              +4
              It's funny, but is it normal that Israel sponsors and helps terrorists in Syria itself?

              The fact that Syria is a sovereign state and it decides with whom it should enter into alliances and to whom to grant the right to find troops on its territory and a place for military bases, did not occur to you?

              The fact that Syria and Israel are formally at war (what the real people love to refer to, justifying their vile attacks on the territory of Syria), which means Syria has every right to conclude an alliance and use the help of another state, which also does not glow with love for the invading state doesn't get it, no?
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 9 October 2018 14: 03
                -2
                Quote: oprovergatel
                The fact that Syria is a sovereign state

                Syria is no longer sovereign and not a state. A few occupation zones, each of which is under external control.
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            5. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 9 October 2018 14: 34
              +1
              Quote: Nail
              Israel has no particular way out.
              Russia was unable or unwilling to oust Iran from Syria and force Assad to abandon Iran, which sponsors and helps various terrorists around Israel.

              Hello, we have arrived! Israel, one might say Iran and Hezbol itself, issued invitations to Syria when, through the support of terrorists of all stripes, the "regime" of Assad decided to stagger. Now let the Russians influence Iran and Hezbalah for Jewish interests? Previously, their heads under the bales of what were they thinking? Did you think that they would smear Syria, lay a paw on its oil and begin to sway Iran, so that there would be no force left in the region capable of resisting Israeli expansion? That is why Iran got involved in a fight in Syria because it understands that it would be next after Syria in the list of countries to be dismantled and chaotic.
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 9 October 2018 14: 57
                +1
                Well, why are you rocking the boat?
        2. Fungus
          Fungus 9 October 2018 08: 00
          +4
          "Pictures" from 400 show Israel's guilt and their lies.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 9 October 2018 08: 21
            -5
            The level of our military leadership they show
            1. Fungus
              Fungus 9 October 2018 08: 44
              +1
              Excellent level I will tell you! The best in the world. Everything is clear.
              1. shans2
                shans2 9 October 2018 12: 40
                0
                do not throw pearls in front of them, "dialogue" is meaningless, they are inadequate
                Jesus Christ said: “Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not mark your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces”
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 October 2018 13: 25
                  -2
                  Quote: shans2
                  do not throw pearls in front of them, "dialogue" is meaningless, they are inadequate
                  Jesus Christ said: “Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not mark your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces”

                  Are you sure you know whom he called pigs and dogs? And what is the meaning of this phrase?
                  1. jack
                    jack 9 October 2018 15: 13
                    0
                    Just don’t tell him that Jesus was a Jew. laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 October 2018 15: 20
                      0
                      Uh, why shock a person? laughing
                    2. shans2
                      shans2 9 October 2018 15: 21
                      0
                      Can't you put Jesus on the Jews? yes, he spoke Aramaic, did not know either Yiddish or Hebrew, and since he was not a Jew, the Jews themselves could not kill him, only the Romans had such a right (they were semi-slaves among the Romans and did not have the right to vote and could only judge Jews but did not dare to touch others), therefore the Jews of Jesus lied and gave slander to the Romans who crucified him ... and your God is Satan, Yahweh, and the book of the torus, and not the Bible ...
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 19: 58
                        0
                        Quote: shans2
                        Can't you put Jesus on the Jews? yes, he spoke Aramaic, did not know either Yiddish or Hebrew, and since he was not a Jew, the Jews themselves could not kill him, only the Romans had such a right (they were semi-slaves among the Romans and did not have the right to vote and could only judge Jews but did not dare to touch others), therefore the Jews of Jesus lied and gave slander to the Romans who crucified him ... and your God is Satan, Yahweh, and the book of the torus, and not the Bible ...

                        laughing This is the level of knowledge ...
                        1) And why should he be anointed to the Jews? He is from the family of David, respectively - a Jew
                        2) He knew Hebrew no worse than mine, but Yiddish appeared 900 years after his death, maybe a little earlier
                        3) If he was not a Jew, then he is not from the family of David. If he is not from the family of David, then he is not the Messiah. If you claim that he is not the Messiah, you deny the basis of Christianity.
                        4) The Romans crucified him as the Messiah - INRI - Jesus the Nazarene King of Judea - that is, for separatism. His sibling Jacob was later stoned by the Jews. Josephus wrote the following about this:
                        Stoned brother of Jesus, whom people called the Messiah.
                        5) Our Gd among Christians is called Gd father. You have it part of the Trinity.
                        6) The Torah is the Pentateuch of Moses - the foundation of the Old, and New, by and large, Testament.
                        Learn, develop, do not write nonsense.
                      2. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 20: 20
                        -2
                        Can you prove this basic statement?
                        And why should he be anointed with the Jews? He is from the family of David, respectively - a Jew


                        This topic has not been raised once before, not one of your brethren has ever been able to cite a single quotation from the covenant confirming your words. maybe you're lying stupidly or wet dreaming? I am not saying anything) Can you prove your words with facts?

                        we can easily discuss all other points after you prove the first)
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 20: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: aquatic
                        Can you prove this basic statement?
                        And why should he be anointed with the Jews? He is from the family of David, respectively - a Jew


                        This topic has not been raised once before, not one of your brethren has ever been able to cite a single quotation from the covenant confirming your words. maybe you're lying stupidly or wet dreaming? I am not saying anything) Can you prove your words with facts?

                        we can easily discuss all other points after you prove the first)

                        Easy - open the Gospel of Matthew and read the genealogy of Jesus.
                      4. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 21: 04
                        0
                        let's open the gospel of Matthew, read, and quote where it says that Jesus is a Jew, is that easy? quote to the studio)
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 21: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: aquatic
                        let's open the gospel of Matthew, read, and quote where it says that Jesus is a Jew, is that easy? quote to the studio)

                        laughing All Jews in the family, but he is not a Jew?
                        So - he is not the Messiah, because The Messiah must be a Jew of David. So you deny Christianity))
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 October 2018 10: 18
                        +1
                        The gospel of Luke says that the Mother of Jesus - Mary was Jewish and a relative of Elizabeth (Luke 1: 36), the mother of John the Baptist, and Elizabeth was from the Aaron family (Luke 1: 5) - from the main Levitical family of priests.

                        If you ever read the New Testament, of course.
                      7. ty60
                        ty60 10 October 2018 21: 38
                        +1
                        But among Jews, nationality is not transmitted by father, by maternal line. The son of David in this topic is JEWISH!
                      8. hrych
                        hrych 11 October 2018 00: 35
                        -1
                        The royal family was only transmitted by father. And the halachic laws are a medieval invention of the Talmudists. The wife of David and the mother of Solomon Bathsheba is a hatka, i.e. of Aryan descent, the grandmother of David Ruth was a Maovite and pagan, i.e. David is no longer a Halachic Jew, but Solomon even more so. In the Christian tradition, the King and Savior is according to Heavenly Father. All is not subject to appeal, the rest is an insult to the feelings of believers. Sculpt halachic laws for him, like Pharisees and books. He was tortured because he rejected all this. And the evangelist Levi Motya was a tax collector and a Jew, about him Mark and Luke had information that he was called by the Savior and he invited him to his house, where the tax collectors gathered. Not a word more about him, where did he go and what did he end with. This Levi, in his Gospel, cites the genealogy of his mother, because for him, as a Jew, this is important, but for us there is absolutely no. Palestine before the Romans belonged to the Macedonians, i.e. The Seleucids, the names of the apostles Andrew, Philip, Thomas and Peter are exclusively Greek, which speaks of their Macedonian origin and non-Jewish religion. A true Jew will never give the names of enemies and pagans in such a way. The evangelists also had peculiar names, namely Mark - the Latin name, and Luke - the Macedonian. Christ called Peter Peter, it is there that they say his name was Simon, but firstly it is far-fetched by the Hebrew name Simeon, and secondly there really is the apostle Simon Zilot (though Zealot is again the Macedonian name). In short, Christ was more visible and he dignified him with the Macedonian name - Peter. The apostles themselves are no match for the Savior, Judas Iscariot is a traitor, Peter renounced three times, in fact not much better, and Thomas is completely unfaithful. Paul, a Pharisee and a zealous persecutor of Christians, called himself an apostle, although the evangelists did not hear about this. Therefore, only Christ is beyond criticism, and the rest are just people and should not worship them.
                      9. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 20: 02
                        +1
                        namely, they beat their own stone and death easily, and drowned and chopped their heads with saws and didn’t do anything, the inventors were no worse than others, there was such a time) but they couldn’t, only slander and substitute Jesus
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 20: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: aquatic
                        namely, they beat their own stone and death easily, and drowned and chopped their heads with saws and didn’t do anything, the inventors were no worse than others, there was such a time) but they couldn’t, only slander and substitute Jesus

                        1) That is, Jacob is the brother of the Lord (the brother of Jesus) a Jew, but Jesus is not?
                        2) Pilate judged him for separatism
                        3) He was considered the Messiah - that is, the king of independent Judah. For this they judged.
                      11. aquatic
                        aquatic 9 October 2018 21: 08
                        0
                        That is, Jacob is the brother of the Lord (the brother of Jesus) a Jew, but Jesus is not
                        this to you from your favorite wikipedia quote:
                        The most common version in Christianity is the version that he was a cousin of Jesus (thus identifying him with James Alfeyev). According to another version, he was the son of Joseph, born before his betrothal to the Virgin Mary, that is, to Jesus Christ (together with the Apostle Thaddeus), he is a half-brother.


                        no matter who whose brother you are, can you give a specific stanza of the gospel where it says that Jesus is a Jew? no? because there is no such stanza? and why then did you get all this?
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 22: 18
                        0
                        Quote: aquatic
                        That is, Jacob is the brother of the Lord (the brother of Jesus) a Jew, but Jesus is not
                        this to you from your favorite wikipedia quote:
                        The most common version in Christianity is the version that he was a cousin of Jesus (thus identifying him with James Alfeyev). According to another version, he was the son of Joseph, born before his betrothal to the Virgin Mary, that is, to Jesus Christ (together with the Apostle Thaddeus), he is a half-brother.


                        no matter who whose brother you are, can you give a specific stanza of the gospel where it says that Jesus is a Jew? no? because there is no such stanza? and why then did you get all this?

                        1) Because it is considered the Messiah, which can only be a Jew from the family of David - otherwise all Christianity loses its foundation
                        2) Because in the family all Jews
                        3) Because he preached in the synagogues
                        4) Because it was circumcised
                        5) Because he communicated with the sages in the Temple, where only Jews could access. Discussed with them Torah
                        6) I considered the main Jewish prayer the main commandment
                        7) Celebrated Sukkot and Passover
                        8) He treated the Gentiles well only if they were monotheists, as was customary among the Jews of that time
                        9) He was a second cousin of John the Baptist - a Jew
                        10) Bethlehem was the birthplace of his father
                        11) called on the apostles not to go to the Gentiles and Samaritans, not to comply with the Pharisees, who were for proselytism
                        12) He said that he was sent to save only the people of Israel
                        Continue? )))
                      13. hrych
                        hrych 10 October 2018 13: 29
                        -1
                        One caveat, for the Jews, the Messiah must be with a specific pedigree, for Christians it does not matter. Christians revere Christ for his work, by and large miracles (control of the elements, healing), and most importantly - victory over death (as he resurrected others, including the decomposed Lazarus, daughter Air, etc., and he himself rose from the dead), and not for him metrics, his pedigree, etc. That is Pharisee, that he denounced in the first place, i.e. all these book conventions, posts and other tinsel. But there is such Peter, who has denied three times, i.e. who betrayed the Savior, a little softer Iscariot and the Pharisee, Paul is a zealous persecutor of Christians who came to Rome and began to carry their Pharisee heresy under the guise of Christianity. Their gang was set on fire by Rome, causing hatred and persecution of Christians in a very tolerant Roman society, then of course the priests dumped set fire to Nero, who punished this sect. Rusov was baptized by Apostle Andrew - the First-Called, and there was no such disgrace when Vladimir made the official religion of the Russian State, most of them were already Christians. Or rather, baptized a military caste, they worshiped Perun and Veles, and the common people were Christians, so the farmer here is synonymous with the peasant. Of course, the Pharisees climbed to us through Constantinople, but this heresy was finally established after the reforms of Nikon, where they began to venerate the Old Testament (by the way, the covenant agreement itself is circumcised as a ritual for God's servants and victims on the altars in the Tabernacle, and then in the Temple that he built Solomon, or rather Adoniram), which is not simply abolished by the New Testament, but is its complete antagonist (the Covenant is formulated in the Last Supper, where the bloody sacrifice is replaced by wine and bread, the bloody ritual is replaced by bathing with water and people are not God's slaves, but God's Children). Then they placed the sacrificial Altar in the Church, singled out the Holy of Holies and other attributes of the Old Testament. Initially, the Romans (when they adopted Christianity as a state religion), the Goths, Vandals, Gepids and Rugs professed the so-called Arianism, where there were no church institutes, where there were no temple and book conventions, the clergyman was elected, the rituals were minimal, such as baptism, weddings and funeral services. Then the Petropavlovtsy climbed in and froze Christianity, the institution of the church appeared, the pope-patriarch, metropolitans, cardinals and other loafers and sinners and Christianity crossed with Pharisaism, which is basically impossible, because it is opposite, opposed and hostile to each other.
              2. Henderson
                Henderson 10 October 2018 12: 51
                -1
                Is it clearly something from the yard gop jargon?
        3. Serg koma
          Serg koma 9 October 2018 08: 52
          0
          Quote: Nail
          Ridiculous pictures from the C400 radar, which turns out to see everything

          Do you doubt it?
          Quote: Nail
          Israel has already struck a lot of blows without any problems

          With the permission of WHO, did Israel strike in Syria?
          Quote: Nail
          the Syrian military, who could not share and set goals, laughter about the fact that Israeli fast planes covered themselves with slow silt

          Can you refute, or just the Jews skzal - and believe that?
        4. Detective
          Detective 9 October 2018 10: 05
          +3
          Quote: Nail
          otherwise

          Quote: Nail
          Rђ RІRѕS,

          Quote: Nail
          and here

          Quote: Nail
          suddenly

          Quote: Nail
          And you

          Well, in short, too many words! Yesterday I wrote about those who swim small and croaks a lot! What is Israel then ?! You yourself seem to have shot at Syria, huh ?! Then your shooters in the form of scrap metal in Moscow showed ... They say after showing the janitors to the Uzbeks they gave everything to the metal for metal! Since then, that you only had blah blah blah, and threatened then threatened ... Assad simply laughed! Yes, and the Jews of Cheyta all around the borders are heroing ... Uzbeks that ours, what to convey ?! All?! Kina will not be ?! Is the kicker ill ?! laughing
      2. tlauicol
        tlauicol 9 October 2018 08: 08
        -5
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        And you determine the range according to the notes in the media?))) With 300 there, as it were, not one) with it everything from the latest generation electronic warfare to the shell.)))

        Are you talking about air defense of Syria or our group? Nichrome will not help them. Now the Jews in Moscow will agree not to accidentally kill ours, and will continue to bomb
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 9 October 2018 09: 53
          -1
          Well, how not to agree?
          Then it will be too late to flee to the historical homeland.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 October 2018 08: 04
      +7
      Quote: Nail
      In general, as soon as the Israeli Prime Minister travels to Russia and agrees that the C300 will not be involved until Russian officers are there, otherwise Israel will have to hit the Russian military, then they will simply destroy the C300. The C300 is a rather old system and there are quite good missiles and not only which will destroy the C300 and other air defense systems that will cover them, some can also be carried out from the ground

      What is there to play with chamomile - they will destroy, or not. Praised by the Americans and the entire "invisible" F-117 was shot down by the Serbs from the ZRK-S-125 "Neva". Time will tell how someone, shaking sideways, will get a sly face in the face of losing several planes, since they themselves do not want to calm down. After that, oohs, oohs and negotiations with the auction will begin.
      1. Scalpel
        Scalpel 9 October 2018 12: 30
        0
        Here, the point is not that some plane can be shot down. The point is how many bombs and missiles this plane will have to "unload" before being shot down.
      2. Henderson
        Henderson 10 October 2018 12: 53
        -1
        Only Yugoslavia did not help.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 9 October 2018 08: 36
      +8
      Quote: Nail
      In general, as soon as the Israeli Prime Minister travels to Russia and agrees that the C300 will not be involved until Russian officers are there, otherwise Israel will have to hit the Russian military, then they will simply destroy the C300.

      I, now, have a firm opinion that our (Russian) calculations will remain in the operator rooms until all this unconventionally oriented mess in Syria is over. And then beautiful gestures to the public will follow: Assad’s democratic elections, the conclusion of a Syrian-Israeli peace treaty, a ban on all Syrian terrorist groups in Syria, etc. And, I hope, Israel will not have to fight with the S-300 and, in general, with the Syrian side.
      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 9 October 2018 13: 09
        +4
        Quote: Polite Elk
        that our (Russian) calculations will remain in the operator’s office until all this unconventionally oriented mess in Syria is over

        So this will mean that the S-300 completed their mission - the Russian military did not die and the Israeli pilots were not shot down. Nevertheless, I hope that the delivery of the C300 to Syria is intended not only to close the skies of Syria, but to force Israel to come to a compromise on the groups that threaten the Israelis, in their opinion. Israel must make concessions and act together with Russia, identifying, determining the direction of actions of militant groups (against / not against Israel) and destroying these groups when confirming the terrorist orientation of their activities. This would be a way out of the current, almost stalemate situation. It is still possible to agree, but the initiative must come from Israel. It is possible to come to an agreement with Iran so as not to go close to the borders of Israel, in order to avoid so to speak. But all this is possible only if Israel’s actions are really aimed at ensuring the security of their own state, and do not serve any other or even alien goals in the region. It is necessary to respect Israel’s desire to improve its own security, but Israel must also respect the life and security of Syrian citizens, and moreover, not endanger the lives of Russian soldiers engaged in their noble mission.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 9 October 2018 20: 35
          +1
          Quote: zhekazs
          So this will mean that the S-300 completed their mission - the Russian military did not die and the Israeli pilots were not shot down.

          Taki YES!
          Quote: zhekazs
          Nevertheless, I hope that the delivery of the C300 to Syria is not just intended to close the sky of Syria,

          With the number of PUs that they installed, it is unrealistic to close the sky of Syria.
          Quote: zhekazs
          It is necessary to respect Israel’s desire to improve its own security, but Israel must also respect the life and security of Syrian citizens and, moreover, not endanger the lives of the Russian military

          I totally agree. hi
      2. aquatic
        aquatic 9 October 2018 20: 04
        0
        yeah, the gullans of Syria will give Jerusalem to the Palestinians, they will pay reparations, it will be so.
        1. Zina389
          Zina389 9 October 2018 22: 54
          +2
          will catch up and still pay
  5. Semurg
    Semurg 9 October 2018 07: 51
    +3
    Shoigu announced the Syrian training period of 100 days, which means during these 100 days at least no one will bring down Israelis out of 300, and no one will destroy these complexes. What will happen after the transfer of these complexes under the control of the Syrians, if we survive we find out.
    1. KCA
      KCA 9 October 2018 09: 06
      +1
      In fact, specialists on the S-300 were trained back in 2013, maybe not everyone survived to a real delivery, but they definitely don’t need 100 days of training, they are sagging, and more than once
      1. Zina389
        Zina389 9 October 2018 22: 55
        +3
        already withered
    2. Neksel
      Neksel 9 October 2018 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      Shoigu announced the Syrian training period of 100 days, which means during these 100 days at least no one will bring down Israelis out of 300, and no one will destroy these complexes. What will happen after the transfer of these complexes under the control of the Syrians, if we survive we find out.

      I read somewhere somewhere the other day that it seems like they are going to put Iranian calculations on these s-300 transferred to Syria that have already mastered these systems. Possible option, or fake?
  6. Detective
    Detective 9 October 2018 07: 56
    +7
    Flights around the border ?! Incredible courage to act - the heroes of Israel! Especially against the background of all the previous statements of the libermans!
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 01
      +2
      everyone understands that while there is nothing to feel. it often happens that the goal is not confirmed and the link returns. Israeli media write that operations in Syria are ongoing.
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    1. Cycle boss
      Cycle boss 9 October 2018 08: 18
      +1
      If he wants to meet, it means the not so useless S-300 .. and Israel flaunts, but still fears to fly into the air defense coverage area for now. Well, unless he again hides behind our planes.
      1. Zina389
        Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 06
        +3
        they’ll hide behind the truck. For the valiant Syrians, everything will do. These berserkers of 100 wakets will quickly shoot
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 October 2018 08: 25
    0
    The morning began on the collective farm ... Israeli planes flew around. C - 300 deployed. F-16 took off from AB. The calculations of the Syrian air defense had breakfast ..
    But the S-300 is still stronger than the F-35, and the Su-57 Patriot .. But Israel is 82, and the Russians are 70 ...
  9. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 9 October 2018 08: 31
    +4
    The United States apparently knows how to count like Israel. Let's try to predict? Suppose that Russia loses if the C300 is split? Yes, unpleasant, but! The old system has almost been taken out of service, and it was also given away for free! And yes they confirmed that Russian hands can’t do anything (sarcasm if that). So we’ll stream it all. Another thing if you fail F35. Not only is it approved for purchase in the budget in the United States, it’s also for Israel what a shame they threw money for such a city ........ so if you consider the risks, then it’s better to warn about flights for a week and it’s better to drive them into the hangar and show on parades. I won’t be surprised if the Jews come up with such a plan as to raise planes and coordinate with the ground sabotage operation.
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 11
      +2
      in a couple of hours the S-300 will spend all the missiles on interference and traps, then f35 will fly in and cover everyone
      1. ty60
        ty60 10 October 2018 21: 20
        0
        Su-34, Su-35 nearby. MiG 31 has not been canceled.
    2. Henderson
      Henderson 10 October 2018 12: 55
      -2
      Quote: Rey_ka
      Suppose that Russia loses if the C300 is split? Yes, unpleasant, but!

      loses people, reputation, money, SAMs themselves and objects covered by them.
      Just wrap around.
  10. Chichikov
    Chichikov 9 October 2018 08: 43
    0
    Why argue who is more important and whose reputation will suffer? The main thing that everyone now knows is that Syria has an S-300! And whence and what will fly by "snub-nosed", we will not be told, but "snub-nosed", it will be either not up to that, or all the same!
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 14
      +2
      They didn’t talk about Chernobyl either. so grandfather buy soap flush radiation
  11. shans2
    shans2 9 October 2018 08: 46
    +1
    They could already have been repaired over Lebanon, no one remembers about electronic warfare, but they are more important than the S-300 themselves in this matter ... They will shoot down in the last place, and they have been talking about the Krasukha for a long time, it can disable a microwave pulse of high power and narrowly focused .. satellites, airplanes, etc.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 October 2018 09: 14
    0
    Do they like to pull the mustache on death? Brave Jewish pilots ... Maybe it's not worth it after all?
    1. Detective
      Detective 9 October 2018 09: 23
      +7
      "Pull death by the mustache ?!" Noooooooo! No and no! This is not a Jewish method! You that as you can! Shoot from behind the Lebanese corner, hide behind a Russian plane, bravely stand and selflessly look Arab boys with slingshots in the eyes ... this is to American dad - paaaaaaapa !!!!!!!! Where else ?! It's not death to pull the mustache ?! You all go crazy here, or what?!?!
    2. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 18
      +1
      rather for the beard 8 () ё--
  13. StudentVK
    StudentVK 9 October 2018 09: 15
    -1
    Well this is a cat and mouse started during the first Arab Israeli wars
  14. Romanenko
    Romanenko 9 October 2018 09: 16
    +1
    The anti-aircraft gunners decided to tickle the nerves.
    The solution is of course the right one, but who knows what range the missiles brought.
    Here, as in a sea mine, it can turn out with a multiplicity device - you fly five times without problems, but for the sixth time ...
    Or maybe F-35 anti-aircraft gunners are waiting and do not shoot at other "crows"?
    Children from the IDF are at risk, although of course it is clear by whose order.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 9 October 2018 09: 29
      -1
      Mdya, and not a word of concern about our operators who might die there. The main thing is that the neighbors die cow
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 9 October 2018 09: 59
        -1
        We worry about them. These are our compatriots, warriors.
        Many here know what war is and what perishes in war.
        And so we are extremely sensitive to messages like yours.
        Another thing is surprising - yours are just not worried at all. Well, just not a single comment about possible losses on your part.
        Are you sure that the Russians are perfect savages, and you are incapable of causing death in principle?
        Well, even according to statistics, once a year and the stick shoots, and the "stealth" gets lost.
        And here I assure you, it’s far from a stick, and it’s far from being ruled by savages.
        Don't you feel sorry for your own? Are you immortal?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 9 October 2018 10: 32
          +2
          I am Russian, don’t waste paper in vain
          1. shans2
            shans2 9 October 2018 12: 34
            -2
            we Gussians do not deceive each other (c)
  15. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 9 October 2018 09: 30
    0
    It has been said more than once that in the meter range all stealths are visible. Another thing is that it is possible to capture them for accompaniment only in the decimeter and centimeter ranges, but that’s later. Here the trick is that unexpectedly stealths will not appear - they will be seen already during takeoff and will be grazed, but if they start to threaten the Russian military, then I think they will be shot down from any complex (even c400), and then they will disassemble flights (like they did not threaten or threatened, but not you. Ours will say "SORRY" we were afraid for the health of our soldiers and accidentally (out of harm's way) fired). Something like this
  16. vladcub
    vladcub 9 October 2018 09: 48
    0
    "Having made an approach to the Lebanese-Syrian border, the fighters left in the direction of their airspace" 1) I always believed that decent people poop around their apartment. Lebanon is a separate "apartment" so that David's guys don't talk. 2) Despite the ironic statements about the S-300, someone doesn't want to try its opportunity
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 9 October 2018 09: 54
    0
    Quote: Tlauicol
    The level of our military leadership they show

    But are you the smartest?
  18. ggl1
    ggl1 9 October 2018 11: 23
    -3
    Again, the Jews want to be the trickiest of all
    but sometimes it ends badly
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 9 October 2018 11: 28
    0
    However, one should not forget about the fact that by 2014 all S-300PM air defense systems that were in service with the air defense units of the RF Armed Forces were upgraded to S-300PM1 version

    in fact, there is no way to forget about the possibility of the Russian air defense systems working in a single automated control system. That is, the detection and illumination of targets will be done completely by other means, and the S-300 will be used as a launch complex. Those. if it detects and directs the S-400, and the S-300 fires with the hands of the Syrians, then we will not formally have any relation to the incident. Well, that is, everything will turn out like the Jews - I'm not me, the rocket is not mine. And, as in the traditions of Israel - no comments.
  20. K-50
    K-50 9 October 2018 11: 28
    -1
    Jews are numbing and still offended that they hate. So rightly so !!! am
  21. ggl1
    ggl1 9 October 2018 11: 38
    0
    The psychology of the Jews is unchangeable
    in the time of Hitler, those who did not surrender gold and jewelry
    went to camp
    The one who did it fought under the flag of Germany
    Only in the USSR surrendered to the Soviet army
    10173 Jews (data from archival sources)
    So much for the genocide!
  22. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 9 October 2018 12: 08
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Roast horse roast

    All this is so, lower already with non-Russian flags, they began to philosophize, they say that the complex is already old and the range is small, but the principle of radar has not changed much over the years, even for decades. Also, unlike the S-200, the S-300 has a vertical start and a much shorter reaction time, with all the consequences. From Damascus to Haifa, only 144 kilometers so. The entire territory of Lebanon is shot through, and from Daria to Tel Aviv it is also less than 150 kilometers. Also take-off, flight and landing of Israeli vultures will be controlled by ZGRLS Container and other means of global control, information will be received by calculations and there will be no unexpected appearance. This was not done previously from the friendly relations with Israel that sailed away. The Syrians helped Assad to create an air defense system from the remnants, and then the Jews had to suffer losses and their missiles were successfully intercepted, which is why Norkin had to be poured, which led to the victims of our military. Also, Jews should realize that the threat of a war with Russia is simply looming, which has a triad, and this is not a joke, especially for a small state with a compactly resident population. Georgians and Ukraine have already jumped, underestimating the decisiveness of our military elite, although fools learn from their holes in the skin.

    Yes there is nothing to say to no purpose. Inadequate at all. We got used to finish the countries destroyed by mattresses and arrange peaceful genocide to the Palestinians. From childhood, they see the mantra that they are from Krypton.
  23. arhPavel
    arhPavel 9 October 2018 14: 01
    +4
    What is the news about? Flying along the borders. Is it forbidden? Mattresses fly constantly. Normal practice.
    And now the carriage comments, almost to start a war ...
    Some kind of tin.
    Does anyone think that one country, if possible, voluntarily refuses to conduct intelligence activities, in relation to the neighbor where the war is going on?
    Do you think we are not flying?
    1. aquatic
      aquatic 9 October 2018 20: 10
      -1
      yeah forbidden, the fact is that they flew along the Lebanese-Syrian border. This is, as it were, the territory of a sovereign state)
      1. Neksel
        Neksel 9 October 2018 21: 47
        +1
        Quote: aquatic
        yeah forbidden, the fact is that they flew along the Lebanese-Syrian border. This is, as it were, the territory of a sovereign state)

        Along, it is in its territory and visible above international waters. Borders did not break. Why is it forbidden?
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 9 October 2018 14: 05
    0
    Lebanon, I hope, is already writing a report to the Supreme Commander: "I ask you to provide material assistance in the form of two S-300 divisions in connection with the difficult situation in the field of sovereignty." So, just in case - let such paper be in the AP.
  25. mitnadev
    mitnadev 9 October 2018 14: 17
    +1
    The source of Israel's irritation is Iran, which has its own military formations in the form of the IRGC on the territory of the SAR, and is building factories that produce precision weapons and components for Shiite Hezbollah. The Persians feel very at ease in the immediate vicinity of Russian military bases, naively believing that they are completely safe ... If in the future there is a potential threat to the vital interests of the Jewish state, then no, even modernized, S-300 air defense systems will stop the Israeli Air Force from applying blow. And for Russian military advisers, there will be a dilemma: freely let the phantoms pass or open fire on them. If the installations are ineffective, hardly anyone will buy them on the modern arms market. In case of opening fire on Israeli aircraft, they will be destroyed. Israel is not interested in open confrontation with Russia. Peace and tranquility on its northern borders are important to him. All the wars / 1967 and 1973 /, which were unleashed by the Arabs, not without the help of the USSR, were lost. In the Israeli Latrun, there has been a museum of the IDF armored forces for many decades. There is a wide range of Soviet trophy equipment (for example, T-52 tanks), which were widely supplied to the Arabs and participated in the battles against the Israelis. The trouble with most of the Russian generals is that the "couch strategists" have learned absolutely no historical lessons from the past. It's a pity ... (((
    1. roma1doma
      roma1doma 9 October 2018 14: 59
      +3
      There is no bolder fighter in the world than a frightened Jew)
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 10 October 2018 12: 56
        -2
        and than a sofa commentator with VO
    2. aquatic
      aquatic 9 October 2018 20: 13
      0
      S-300 will not stop the Israeli Air Force to strike

      stop ..... the probability of loss of up to 35% of the flight personnel during the attack, and the loss on the return of airfields. And envelopes with orders are already in the safes for everyone who needs this, do not hesitate.
  26. K. Sergey.
    K. Sergey. 9 October 2018 15: 03
    0
    You know, all this reminds me of the recent fight between McGregor and Habib. McGregor, like Yisreil, crowed a lot and spread its feathers.
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 9 October 2018 15: 58
      0
      O, although a normal topic has appeared.
      McGregor did not crow - McGregor sold the fight, unlike Khabib. More than 2.5 million drinks were bought for this fight. This is a record. Not one fight has ever collected this, even boxing. Who is interested in Khabib? He is of course a champion and a tough fighter, but he "does not sell", and Conor did everything to promote the fight. He was just a fighter in a fur hat, for whom, by the way, in Russia, they almost did not get sick and who behaved like in a high-mountainous village at the end of the battle, although he could fully enjoy the well-deserved victory - for some reason he took Conor's "dirty bazaar" personally. Now it is not known whether he will be left with the title and may be kicked out of the UFC and the states.
      Conor has not performed at the UFC for 2 years, and Habib is just a car. Conor had few chances - even his coach said this after the fight.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 9 October 2018 20: 16
        -3
        In Russia, everyone in the topic is still rooting for him. Even boxers and Thais with adherents of Oyama)))
        And about Habib - a fight for show after the fight, in my opinion, was planned. The guy is far from druk - makes marketing his future battles.
  27. ashnajder
    ashnajder 9 October 2018 15: 15
    +1
    I put on Israel)))
    1. hrych
      hrych 9 October 2018 17: 02
      0
      Quote: ashnajder
      bet on Israel

      In what? In the war with Russia? In the elections in Ukraine? So far, there is one question on the agenda, whether the Israelis will try to hit the targets of Quds and Hezbollah in Syria, despite the threat of the S-300. By the way, the S-200 installation, which killed an Israeli plane and the other one was damaged, was not destroyed, why the more mobile S-300 will be easily destroyed.
      1. ashnajder
        ashnajder 9 October 2018 23: 05
        +1
        I think the S-300 will not prevent Israel from striking about the elections in Ukraine, I think Tymoshenko has the best chances, but Zelensky is funnier, so we'll see ....
        1. hrych
          hrych 10 October 2018 20: 48
          0
          Quote: ashnajder
          I think the S-300 will not prevent Israel from striking

          They already interfere, and electronic warfare systems were added to the air defense systems. The worst thing is that these systems were removed from the air defense of the Russian Federation with replacement for new ones and they are not export, but are integrated into the global tracking systems of the Russian Federation, which record every start of the aircraft from the territory of Israel. For example ZGRLS Container sees all this in real time. In the Caspian, a scheme was worked out when ZGRLS Sunflower allowed the Storozhevik to repel an attack from the air, as external guidance. The watchman knew where the target would jump from behind the horizon, and even with his modest air defense means he successfully repelled a conditional attack, here the canopy is 100-150 km long, and several batteries will create a significant impassable front. Also, when launching anti-radar and just KR and planning bombs from a distance of 100 km, the S-300 has every chance to quickly turn off the bench and leave the firing zone, these 100 km of a subsonic rocket will fly for 8-10 minutes, and even five minutes for a supersonic time to escape after a volley.
  28. Essex62
    Essex62 9 October 2018 16: 51
    0
    Quote: mitnadev
    The source of Israel's irritation is Iran, which has its own military formations in the form of the IRGC on the territory of the SAR, and is building factories that produce precision weapons and components for Shiite Hezbollah. The Persians feel very at ease in the immediate vicinity of Russian military bases, naively believing that they are completely safe ... If in the future there is a potential threat to the vital interests of the Jewish state, then no, even modernized, S-300 air defense systems will stop the Israeli Air Force from applying blow. And for Russian military advisers, there will be a dilemma: freely let the phantoms pass or open fire on them. If the installations are ineffective, hardly anyone will buy them on the modern arms market. In case of opening fire on Israeli aircraft, they will be destroyed. Israel is not interested in open confrontation with Russia. Peace and tranquility on its northern borders are important to him. All the wars / 1967 and 1973 /, which were unleashed by the Arabs, not without the help of the USSR, were lost. In the Israeli Latrun, there has been a museum of the IDF armored forces for many decades. There is a wide range of Soviet trophy equipment (for example, T-52 tanks), which were widely supplied to the Arabs and participated in the battles against the Israelis. The trouble with most of the Russian generals is that the "couch strategists" have learned absolutely no historical lessons from the past. It's a pity ... (((

    I did not find the T-52 Soviet tank in the Latrun Museum. What kind of beast is this? And by the way, the armored technician was really captured from the Soviet army, were our crews in it? The technique captured from the Arabs is Arab. Since 1942, the Soviet Army did not have defeats, of a strategic nature. If Jews seriously rock the Russian Armed Forces, openly and without double interpretation, the state of Israel will disappear from the map of the World. That politicians, that the military understands this and behaves cautiously.
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 25
      +1
      \\ The Soviet Army since 1942, defeats, of a strategic nature, didn’t have \\ and so now everyone will write off to the Arabs
  29. Nikolai
    Nikolai 9 October 2018 19: 25
    0
    If the C 300s are destroyed even partially, the next even tougher step will follow. Which one?
    1. Fanis
      Fanis 9 October 2018 22: 05
      +1
      We will send Chubais to them to exchange privatization experience. There, on the promised land, he will be needed. For the sake of good people, we’ll give it away for free yes
  30. jack
    jack 9 October 2018 21: 20
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: shans2
    Can't you put Jesus on the Jews? yes, he spoke Aramaic, did not know either Yiddish or Hebrew, and since he was not a Jew, the Jews themselves could not kill him, only the Romans had such a right (they were semi-slaves among the Romans and did not have the right to vote and could only judge Jews but did not dare to touch others), therefore the Jews of Jesus lied and gave slander to the Romans who crucified him ... and your God is Satan, Yahweh, and the book of the torus, and not the Bible ...

    laughing This is the level of knowledge ...

    I warned .. laughing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 October 2018 22: 43
      -1
      Now there is a new cartoon - and where in the New Testament is it written that Jesus who preached in the synagogues was a Jew? laughing
  31. Fanis
    Fanis 9 October 2018 21: 54
    +2
    Having made an approach to the Lebanese-Syrian border, the fighters left in the direction of their airspace. Quote.

    Smiled - Gone ANYTHING in your direction yes fellow drinks
  32. mr_Flint
    mr_Flint 9 October 2018 22: 48
    +2
    Russian air defense drove the Zionist vultures from the Russian-Israeli border. So serve.
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 9 October 2018 23: 33
      +1
      they saw that the Syrians had rubella and the radar turned off, so they were afraid to fly so that they wouldn’t fall under the crazy rocket. Paverno Russian instructors next to the Syrians are also scared. Still, people with a track record ...
      1. mr_Flint
        mr_Flint 9 October 2018 23: 37
        0
        We don’t need it here. Tapericha is not like that. Taperich we are already at all. So Semyon Semenych will confirm.
  33. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 10 October 2018 01: 08
    +1
    Well, if in Israel there are no fools, then we must understand that they are not being faked with them now.
  34. alexander 2
    alexander 2 10 October 2018 04: 09
    +3
    Well, Russia is not going to fight with Israel. Therefore, it passed the S-300 to Syria. And it is not up to us who the Syrians will bring down with these complexes. And further. The complexes, although not the newest, are not made in the export version. (Where options are always underestimated)
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 10 October 2018 12: 57
      -2
      Quote: Alexander 2
      And it is not our business who will be brought down by these complexes by the Syrians

      that is, Russia is not an ally of Syria and the military are not on their territory? And for what then was it generally free to supply these complexes?
  35. Larum
    Larum 10 October 2018 09: 08
    +1
    They did not say how many missiles were pulnul in the case of IL.
    If the bullets will be like then, I’m not afraid of 100 ....
    By the way, how much does a C1 rocket cost?
  36. ty60
    ty60 10 October 2018 20: 56
    0
    At least so. Real distances.
  37. aiden
    aiden 11 October 2018 01: 05
    +1
    Israeli representative disperses as he defeated the Russians in Georgia and Syria. I suspect that they are sitting on the uniform with the Israeli flag