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Why did they return the dust filter from the Soyuz to Earth?

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The cosmonauts who returned from the ISS to Earth brought with them a dust filter of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft, in which a hole was previously discovered, reports RIA News communication of its source in the rocket and space industry.




As the source said, the greatest interest among the returned goods is the position №111 - “this is a dust filter and smear samples from the hole and around it”.

According to him, experts will try to find traces of aluminum among the dust, from which the on-board compartment is made. If such traces are found, it will mean that the hole was drilled “in conditions of orbital flight.”

Earlier it was reported that the Russian cosmonauts on the ISS were instructed to collect and package all possible evidence related to the hole found in the casing, including glue samples, which were used when applying a piece of cloth to the holes, as well as (if lucky) particles of chips left after drilling.

In addition, in a week, the astronauts will go into outer space to open the anti-meteorite protection and inspect the hole from the outside.

The Soyuz MC-09 spacecraft as part of the ISS will remain until December. When the crew returns, the household compartment is shot off and burned in the atmosphere. The cosmonauts themselves are landing in a descent capsule. The dust filter on the ground returned the crew of the Union MS-08.

Recall that the hole in the hull of the MS-09 spacecraft docked on June 8 was discovered by astronauts on August 30.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 7 October 2018 17: 22
    +3
    What will be our actions in case of intentional sabotage confirmation? Maybe an attempt to kill the astronauts?
    1. adma
      adma 7 October 2018 17: 25
      +21
      Quote: figvam
      0
      What will be our actions in case of intentional sabotage confirmation?
      We express our deep concern!
    2. Looking Petrovich
      Looking Petrovich 7 October 2018 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: figvam
      What will be our actions in case of intentional sabotage confirmation?

      Lying on the couch.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 7 October 2018 17: 26
      +18
      I think nothing special will happen to uninitiated ears.
    4. kjhg
      kjhg 7 October 2018 17: 26
      +9
      At a minimum, a total ban on astronauts visiting our compartment.
    5. Black_PR
      Black_PR 7 October 2018 17: 26
      +15
      Let those who know work, we will wait for the result of research. Assumptions about actions are too early to build.
    6. Svarog
      Svarog 7 October 2018 17: 27
      +13
      Quote: figvam
      What will be our actions in case of intentional sabotage confirmation?

      The main thing in this case is not an action, but an understanding of who hurt .. the action is secondary .. the question is serious ..
    7. Observer2014
      Observer2014 7 October 2018 17: 32
      +13
      figwam (Sergei)
      What will be our actions in case of intentional sabotage confirmation?
      We’ll drill everything that the Americans can drill and fly away from this ISS forever. We need to have our own station. And do not give dachas all over Russia. And it seems that our management just does what it’s resting. By the way about the cottages. I don’t think that the construction and maintenance in hard-to-reach summer cottages cost taxpayers more expensive than a space station bully
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 7 October 2018 20: 11
        +3
        Sergei! You got a slip of the tongue about summer cottages. "Not" in the text about the cost of summer cottages and stations is not meaningful.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 7 October 2018 20: 25
          0
          NordUral (Eugene) hi
          Sergei! You got a slip of the tongue about summer cottages. "Not" in the text about the cost of summer cottages and stations is not meaningful.
          No way! soldier
    8. Cannonball
      Cannonball 7 October 2018 18: 41
      +5
      If the "sabotage" activity of one of the astronauts is proved, then Roscosmos, together with RSC Energia, can bill NASA for a very decent amount for deliberate damage to someone else's property.
      1. Rostislav
        Rostislav 7 October 2018 21: 06
        +2
        What's the point? The task is not to bill, but to get the bill. And with this rock problem. I don’t even remember who in recent decades managed to get from penguins. Unfortunately ...
        1. Cannonball
          Cannonball 8 October 2018 21: 00
          -1
          I think such collisions are spelled out in the contract for the construction and operation of the ISS. In case of refusal to fulfill the clauses of the contracts, the reputation of the space agency as a reliable partner suffers. Considering that the Americans are going to build a lunar station with international participation, it is not in their interests to throw Roscosmos, otherwise the other partners may understand that they can also be thrown. It is also worth not forgetting that the ISS is going to operate for at least another 5 years. To quarrel with Russia over the ISS means to endanger the very existence of the station, which means, at least, questions from American taxpayers will arise: "Why did our money stop working?" And they don't joke with such things in America.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 7 October 2018 21: 57
        -1
        Quote: Cannonball
        If the "sabotage" activity of one of the astronauts is proved, then Roscosmos, together with RSC Energia, can bill NASA for a very decent amount for deliberate damage to someone else's property.

        Are you serious ? When the sabotage of the Americans is not even in doubt, nothing happens.
      3. Klaus
        Klaus 7 October 2018 23: 40
        +1
        Accounts of this kind are issued in closed negotiations, encouraging the "partners" not to make the case public.
        There’s something else ... Making loud public statements, BEFORE all circumstances are clarified, is very reckless and unprofessional.
      4. Avior
        Avior 8 October 2018 00: 16
        0
        Or NASA to Roskosmos ...
    9. PDM80
      PDM80 8 October 2018 09: 38
      0
      You can close the Russian part of the station; without it, other modules cannot exist.
      1. Klaus
        Klaus 8 October 2018 14: 30
        0
        "Russian" part, you call "Zarya", built in 95 -98, with Boeing money, and legally owned by NASA? laughing Original ...
        1. Cannonball
          Cannonball 8 October 2018 20: 52
          -1
          Only Boeing does not control this part. And NASA doesn't control either.
      2. Tsoy
        Tsoy 8 October 2018 19: 23
        0
        0
        You can close the Russian part of the station; without it, other modules cannot exist.


        Can. But most of the electricity comes from the US segment. You can disconnect and make your own station. National. But before that, it would be necessary to develop a new energy module, a new farm for solar batteries, the science of launching its own manipulator. And yes, be prepared for sharply increased maintenance costs, because NASA is paying most of them now. And now we are looking at the budget of POSCOSMOS and we understand that it really is not possible. The federal space program was cut to the brink. It is impossible to find additional funds for development, launch and maintenance.
  2. Bykov.
    Bykov. 7 October 2018 17: 23
    +10
    Do not let American astronauts go home yet. Let holes be drilled in Siberia and sawed trees
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 October 2018 17: 25
    0
    I didn’t understand, the men returned, and the conversation seemed to be talking about an inadequate woman. Someone tell me?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 October 2018 17: 29
      +1
      Passed on bail by aliens flying by ... But seriously, "this woman" has been on Earth for a long time.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 7 October 2018 17: 31
        0
        This woman is in orbit
        http://www.kosmo-museum.ru/orbit
        1. shark
          shark 8 October 2018 11: 41
          0
          As an American woman I see - to cross the hunt. Also their "polite" grin. As if in the neck now. cling to. I think so, guys. All the misunderstandings about mattresses are the result of their indescribable envy towards us. Because with such crocodiles you will not live like that.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 7 October 2018 17: 30
      0
      That text is pure fiction, the author did not even know whose toilets on the ISS, and who serves them
    3. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 7 October 2018 18: 07
      +1
      I didn’t understand, the men returned, and the conversation seemed to be talking about an inadequate woman. Someone tell me?
      If you pay attention, the competent designation of the expedition goes through the fraction example 56/57 It was the 56th, now the Union has taken away three, and new ones will arrive in their place, and May 57 will begin. Then, after 3 months, the "trinity" of the 56th (which are now left) will land, and a new one will arrive on May 58. Therefore, those who fly now will be the 57/58 expedition.
      Fly for six months (on average), crew changes once a quarter (approximately plus or minus), only 4 manned launches per year.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 October 2018 09: 35
        +3
        You can immediately see non-Russian, none of the Russians will write May 57, but will write the 57th. Fifty-seventh of May, this is something. laughing request laughing
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 8 October 2018 19: 54
          +1
          Immediately visible non-Russian
          They were not able to squeeze out more of themselves on the merits of the main topic, but in vain, your question was extremely primitive, so I advise you to broaden your horizons, and not insult people about inappropriate woman that you are not personally familiar with. And to ask a question and then "bark" at those who have decided to answer you sincerely is a sign of bad manners.
          In a particular case with May 57 - I agree, it turned out overhanging.
          Since school (for 20 years already) I have been typing exclusively "blindly" with my ten fingers, and I can't imagine how you can be perverted by poking two fingers into the keyboard.
          Regarding the "quality of the text" - to blame, there are side effects:
          1-if I get drunk, then instead of the tongue my fingers are braided (but I rarely get drunk).
          2-sometimes it turns out complete nonsense when the hands with the offset were mistakenly folded to the wrong start buttons.
          3-this is already a well-established reflex that when you think hard, your hands like that all automatically print at the same time as a thought, and then, especially when you are in a hurry, you really don't check.
          Do not think that I am justifying you for my text and manner of communication, I have once again shown you that you judge people and give them an assessment without knowing them and, as a result, are deeply mistaken.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 9 October 2018 08: 55
            0
            Actually, I'm used to speaking Russian because of our relationship, this time. The expression "inadequacy" is used even in diplomacy. So there is no question of any insult. And the author of the article, not me, wrote about the "wench" and her behavior in orbit. And God forbid me from such acquaintances. And the last, judging by the latest publications in the press, appearances on TV channels and in international organizations, Western leaders have generally gone wild and stupid with their impunity, but remember one Russian truth, how long the rope doesn’t twist, but the end will be. So it's not for you to teach me good manners. Than gossips, to count, to work, it is not better for themselves, the godfather turns. Read Russian classic writers, you will be smarter.
            1. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus 9 October 2018 10: 50
              +1
              The expression "inadequacy" is used even in diplomacy.

              Do you also diplomatically call your mother, wife and daughter "wives"?

              So don't you teach me good manners

              Maybe not me, but someone will still have to ...

              And the author of the article, not me, wrote about the "woman" and her behavior in orbit.


              Do you know how "suggestion" differs from "persuasion"?
              Suggestion-acceptance of any of the points of view, not based on personal experience.
              Persuasion is the acceptance of any point of view based on personal experience.

              On the basis of a dubious interpretation of a certain "author", you make a conclusion and accept it as the ultimate truth.
              But what about your own independent opinion, based at least on familiarization with more reliable primary sources of information, or will you always just "assent"?
              I do not know, read at your leisure at least the magazine "News of Cosmonautics"
              If you are already referring to the "inadequacy" of Serena Aunyon, then at least tell us that she freaked out because the American toilet on the ISS broke down, that the Russians were not allowed to defile her ACS because of the sanctions, that she fought in hysterics with a request to lower her to land and send additional Union for it, cried and said that diapers smell bad, and then drilled a hole, only made a mistake and drilled Union instead of her own head.
              wrote the author of the article

              Or is the author like you not even in the subject?

              Actually, I'm used to talking in Russian

              I have already understood that the theme of the Russian world is sacred for you, and the Russian world is "our everything."
              Listen, even in Russia itself, only 80% consider themselves Russian, and this is with our 150 ml. the population is only 120 million !, and where did you divide the remaining 6 billion, 880 million people?
              If you do not consider them, in principle, for people with whom there is nothing to talk about, then this is mutual, just do not answer or comment on my messages anymore (if there is enough willpower).
              If you have so strongly limited your perception of the "Russian world" with blinkers outside of which there is nothing else, then it is boring and not interesting with you ...
    4. Bykov.
      Bykov. 7 October 2018 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      I didn’t understand, the men returned, and the conversation seemed to be talking about an inadequate woman. Someone tell me?

      Transvestites, pooh on them.
  4. anjey
    anjey 7 October 2018 17: 27
    +2
    I wonder whose "crazy" hands have already reached space, a plot for a fantastic Hollywood thriller, with the main character - Yanka laughing
  5. Zubr
    Zubr 7 October 2018 17: 28
    0
    smile Well, and I think so, they will definitely find something there. And shavings and micro drill particles.
  6. senima56
    senima56 7 October 2018 17: 37
    +2
    "Someone puts sticks in the wheels! Someone throws stones under the braids!" (A. Gaidar "Military Secret")
  7. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 7 October 2018 17: 49
    +1
    The picture for the article is completely off topic.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 7 October 2018 18: 04
      +2
      The main point of the article, not the picture. There are great doubts that the hole was drilled at the stage of preparing the module for flight. Probably "partners" came to our half "to drink tea". If so, let them launch their own astronauts from the trampoline.
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 October 2018 00: 18
        0
        the question is not in doubt, but in the desire to shift responsibility
  8. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 7 October 2018 17: 55
    +2
    So they already wrote that the American broke the toilet in her sector and the Russians didn’t let her in her (as it is not designed for more than 2). She had a nervous breakdown and while ours were in space, she drilled a hole to be urgently evacuated.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 7 October 2018 18: 02
      0
      This is stupid lies, all the toilets on the ISS are Russian and are served by Russia.
      1. FOBOSS
        FOBOSS 7 October 2018 18: 07
        +3
        Even if they are all Russian, this does not mean that she could not break the toilet. They wrote that they had already used all the diapers and pushed them in spacesuits.
        In short, feces flew everywhere and the young lady smelled badly and could not stand it.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 7 October 2018 19: 46
          +1
          Under our contract, we are engaged in repairs, NASA pays us for the maintenance of the toilet.
          Also, ventilation is common in regular work, so shit and ours will breathe. And do not let your toilet or toilet Union makes no sense
      2. FOBOSS
        FOBOSS 7 October 2018 18: 10
        0
        There, even recordings from the audio recorder resulted.
        Maybe ours do not want to spoil the image of cooperation in space and do not officially announce it.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 7 October 2018 18: 03
      +4
      Quote: FOBOSS
      So they already wrote that the American broke the toilet in her sector and the Russians didn’t let her in her (as it is not designed for more than 2). She had a nervous breakdown and while ours were in space, she drilled a hole to be urgently evacuated.

      laughing and I thought that I would relieve the need laughing
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 October 2018 18: 04
      +3
      The woman on board is in trouble.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 8 October 2018 09: 42
        +1
        Quote: Captive
        The woman on board is in trouble.

        Hence it follows - "Babu from the board - fun for aliens"
  9. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 7 October 2018 18: 00
    -9
    Rogozin was not allowed to attend the 69th International Congress of Astronautics and now 100% of Americans will be accused of sabotage and blind evidence. Do not go to a fortuneteller ...
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 October 2018 18: 03
    0
    No brainer with what. They will look for shavings. laughing
  11. Lunic
    Lunic 7 October 2018 18: 11
    -12
    But for me, this is a marriage on the ground during the assembly of the module. Someone got screwed up, then fixed it with glue and hushed it up in place, relying on our AVOS. Now rubber is being pulled a hundred to come up with excuses and not to lose the trust of the "partners". As far as I remember, the American commander of the spacecraft first discovered the leak and then called the Russian cosmonauts. Besides: "... Later, a source in Roskosmos told RIA Novosti that the Special Internal Commission found that the International Space Station did not have such a long drill to make a hole found in the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft.

    According to the report, after a ground-based full-scale experiment, experts found that "potentially, in conditions of orbital flight, it is possible to drill a hole in the place where it was found, but given its location, this will require a drill about half a meter long
    "The source certainly does not inspire confidence: the Unian agency.
    1. Zveruga
      Zveruga 9 October 2018 19: 27
      0
      And in the photo, the astronaut shows a hole against the background of his finger, which somehow was able to reach.

      Forget about the Ukrainian media. This is a swamp of lies.
  12. FOBOSS
    FOBOSS 7 October 2018 18: 15
    +2
    Read it. Concrete rzhaka
    http://kuzpress.ru/old/incident/27-09-2018/62890.html
    1. Lycan
      Lycan 8 October 2018 09: 56
      0
      good I confirm!
  13. Vard
    Vard 7 October 2018 18: 52
    +2
    What is characteristic ... salaries at the assembly were not announced ... we have rumors in Samara, which is slightly less than the average for the region ...
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 7 October 2018 20: 40
      +2
      It has long been announced
      https://www.kp.ru/online/news/2643275/
      ROGOZIN: IF THE ASSEMBLERS OF THE PROTON ENGINES GET 10 THOUSAND RUBLES, THEN WE SHOULD WAIT
  14. arhPavel
    arhPavel 7 October 2018 19: 55
    +1
    Great photo
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 October 2018 00: 20
      0
      In the photo there are two Unions, but they shot from the third, it turns out?
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 8 October 2018 06: 20
        +1
        Specifically, this picture could be taken from the American Shuttle.
        At the time of Mir station, they were scheduled guests there.
  15. kig
    kig 8 October 2018 01: 55
    0
    Even if they find something, they will immediately challenge it. Evidence (samples) were taken without witnesses, there is no seizure protocol, the chips were thrown, etc.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 October 2018 09: 06
      0
      God himself commanded.
      the examination was to be carried out by independent experts.
      sealed filters at the station and handed over to independent experts, that would be another matter.
  16. DimanC
    DimanC 8 October 2018 03: 32
    0
    Hmm, strange, isn't it "Peace" in the photo?
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 8 October 2018 06: 19
      0
      It is the most characteristic placement of the RITEG, flow angles between the panels.
      The ISS also has batteries in football fields ...
  17. Li17
    Li17 8 October 2018 05: 17
    0
    We will find out the truth in years ... Well, the guilty party is generally unreal as usual. In a word, they correctly said, we express our concern!
  18. S-kerrigan
    S-kerrigan 8 October 2018 06: 18
    0
    Why a photo of the Mir station? This is clearly not the ISS.
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 8 October 2018 09: 32
    0
    Well now the Americans need to disable our spacesuits. And for the most part, we won’t do anything and will not announce everything will be sewn and covered for the benefit of further cooperation.
  20. akims
    akims 8 October 2018 14: 02
    0
    An examination established that the skull of the deceased was broken from the inside ...
  21. Klaus
    Klaus 8 October 2018 14: 49
    -1
    That I don't read the comments, the short memory (or youth / incompetence) of some supposedly patriotic commentators is always surprising. After all, thanks to American orders, Khrunichev survived in the dashing 90s and created Zarya. And that is why Russia was able to become one of the main partners-participants of the ISS program. And that is precisely why manned astronautics and the associated infrastructure and production did not rest in Bose. And if you remember - there were such talks: about the unprofitability of space, about unmanned projects, and the concentration of efforts on "commercial interests" and so on ... So, if the Americans had not shown interest then, all manned astronautics would have been launched with hammer!
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 9 October 2018 06: 11
      0
      Fair. Well, in general, not touching on the current story, only within the framework of the time - interest and benefit were double-edged ... Of course, in those years I was still walking under the table, but as an adult I read a lot about the layout of those events.
      In fact, the USSR / RF was the only operator in the world in orbital construction. This is just a fact.
      Scaleb, of course, in those years, was also not "mother's crafts from scotch", but even to the late Salutes (forerunners of the World) they did not quite hold out.

      And when it became clear that planet Earth needed to have dangling people in orbit - without the experience of the Russian Federation, the price would have flown away simply into space of the whole undertaking. For you would have to pay for the mistakes with blood.
      The United States, for its part, shared the experience of the Shuttles. And money. And the Russian Federation does not even take into account the fact that there is "no money" - without the United States, a purely physically more advanced station would have much lower chances to build ...

      Without shuttles, you won’t be able to launch all the necessary modules into space! Yes, it was the Americans who used to drag our segments in their space trucks. So space, the World / ISS are examples of excellent cooperation.

      PS How to solve the issue of the new station is still a pain ... there are no more shuttles, we can say that this is a disaster in our niche, casting aside the economic side of the issue - humanity needs a new space truck ... with this it is much easier to solve a number of issues.
      1. Klaus
        Klaus 6 December 2018 17: 24
        0
        It's nice to finally hear the opinion of a person who knows the topic. Thank you for your opinion. But it is the double-edged competition that creates breakthroughs in technology! But ... we are people, people, Homo ... like this one of his .. sapiens laughing Therefore, we will master the breakthrough points in space together. It's fate, damn it, no matter how you twist