Etruscans in the graves

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Let's start a few from afar. Each informational site, including “VO”, naturally attracts its audience, which is good. The more people read something positive, the more it will develop his brain, plus some information that can give him pleasure (satisfaction of the passion of learning new things!), And even help with something real (for example, to make a son or daughter by stories!) It is bad when a person knows little (“he had a solid four in history at school!”), But immediately seeks to subvert the basics.


View of the Etruscan necropolis from the air. It is clearly seen that they had two types of tombs - domed (tulumos), with a false vault, assembled from slabs, shifted relative to each other so that a vault was formed from the reverse steps, and carved into the rocky soil with the deepening. So that the dome of the domed tomb did not fall down under its own weight, it was covered with earth from above.



Etruscans in the graves



Often these tombs were built alternately and formed the real "city of the dead."


One of the "streets" in such a necropolis. Such tombs were younger than the domes.


It would be interesting to just walk among them, right?


And I, for example, just really want to get into such a burial ...

It's amazing how some people come to such a thing? For example, this is - “swords fell into the graves because they were not needed by people, they would not put the necessary things in the grave”. And this is after both ethnographers from different countries and historians proved ... a stunning set of examples - people’s belief in the afterlife resurrection was so strong in the past that they gave all the best and necessary things to “the next world” because ... it will be more necessary for the deceased. " There was a long time ago on IN my material “Etruscans against the Russians”, and this is another “sore subject” on HE. Well, I want some to have ... great ancestors, which the Romans themselves gave rise to.


Today, the Etruscan antiquities (it is clear that the Etruscans themselves never called themselves that!) Adorn the most famous museums of the planet - the Louvre and the Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican. Many different Etruscan antiquities are kept in small museums in the cities of Tuscany.


The figure of "Mars of Todi", V century BC. e. Depicts an Etruscan warrior in characteristic armor. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)

Well, there is nothing common in the culture of the Etruscans and the Slavs, especially nothing in common in the funeral rites. The funeral rites, by the way, have become for many nations the most important source of information by which we can judge them. So with the Etruscans the same. However, the absurdity of some judgments is completely redeemed by the ignorance of their authors (well, a solid four in school in kind, which is more!). Therefore, today we will try to tell as much as possible about the funeral culture of the Etruscans, because, in fact, no other has come to us.


The Etruscans were famous for their skill in bronze casting. For example, it cost them nothing to cast such a bronze cauldron. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)

There are different points of view from where they came from, but the main thing today is that they are newcomers from Asia Minor, and first they settled in Sardinia, and only then they crossed over to the Appeninsky peninsula. Like it or not, what were their haplogroups, we are not going to find out now. We will try to examine precisely their burial culture, that is, to see how they buried their departed and what they put on the road. Fortunately, the Romans, although they assimilated the Etruscans and rebuilt their cities, did not touch their burials. As a result, not tens, not hundreds, but MANY THOUSANDS (!!!) of burials fell into the hands of historians, in which various items of their burial cult, art and culture as a whole were found.


But the cauldron is a cauldron, but this Chimera from Arezzo is made with much more art. And nothing like this has ever, anywhere and never been found in the burials of the Slavs! Bronze sculpture V c. BC er (Archaeological Museum, Florence)

Here, for example, Etruscan necropolis in Cerveteri - the burials of the Etruscans near the Italian city of Cervetere. Thousands of graves were found here in the form of mounds or stone tombs built around 500 - 600. BC e.) At least the fact that the area of ​​these necropolis is more than 400 hectares speaks about the number of burials. Today, only a small part of it is open to visitors, and naturally, and that which is open is empty. Because the finds from these tombs are in the collection of Augusto Castellani in the Villa Julia National Museum in Rome, and also adorn the Vatican Museums and the Louvre.


Etruscan "Spouse sarcophagus" from Banditachcha necropolis in Cerveteri. Polychrome ceramics, VI century BC. er (Museum of Villa Julia, Rome). Height - 114 cm, length - 190 cm. In antiquity was painted. Dated to the second half of the 6th century BC. er


Another sarcophagus with a sculpture of the deceased on the lid. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)


The postures of the dead could vary ...


And pretty much ... (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)


Sarcophagus 200-150 BC. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)

What is included in the archaeological zone of Cerveteri, that is, what can be visited there today? These are the following objects: the “ancient city”, the Banditachcha necropolis (so named, since in the recent past, gangs lived here in empty tombs, which the great Dumas wrote about), the necropolis of Monte Abathone and the necropolis of Sorbo.


Military finds in the tombs at Cerveteri. That is, it was not a pity for all this for the departed. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)

Excavations of the Banditaccia Necropolis have been going on since 1911, as a result of which tombs were excavated, which even got their own names. These are: “Cassette's Tomb”, “Olive's Tomb”, “Pilaster's Tomb”, “Sarcophagus Tomb”, “Triclinia's Tomb”, “Mound with Ships Tomb”, “Mound with Tomb of Colored Animals”, “Tomb of Capitels”. Why so whimsical names? So after all, the writing of the Etruscans has not yet been deciphered, since, although there are many inscriptions in their language, they are all short and devoted to the topic of burial. Therefore, they were called by the most characteristic and conspicuous details of the interior.


The mural of the central pier "Tombs of the Bulls".

For example, “The Mound with the Tomb of Shields and Armchairs” (the first half of the 6th century BC) was so named because it contained a lot of stone shields of warriors, and again stone chairs and lodges for the departed.


Another painting of the central pier "Tombs of the Bulls." Achilles is waiting in wait for Paris.

The “Tomb of the Painted Lions” (around 620 BC) is also clear why it was so called, just like the “Tomb of Reliefs” (around 300 BC) and the “Tomb of the Sea Waves” (IV — III centuries BC) - they were simply drawn in it.


Fragment of fresco from the "Tomb of the Triclinium." Around 470 BC. er

And just like in ancient Egypt, the overwhelming majority of tombs were plundered for a very long time, but here in the necropolis of Sorbo (south of Cerveteri), in 1836, they managed to find a completely untouched burial, which was called the “Tomb of Regolini-Galassi” (dates back to mid-VII BC), in honor of the priest Regolini and General Galassi who found him. It looks like a narrow corridor cut in stone, on both sides of which passages to the burial chambers. Here they found the most valuable from an artistic point of view, gold jewelry, as well as vessels made of bronze and silver.


Gold jewelry from the burial in Vulci. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)

In the Etruscan necropolis in Veiah, two tombs with very interesting wall paintings were also found. The first one, which was called the tomb of Campana, was found back in 1842 year. Its contents were sketched, so that today we know exactly what was in it and how. The tomb was located in the hillside, and its entrance was guarded by two sculptures of stone sphinxes. In one of the chambers on the stove against the wall they found the skeleton of a warrior, surrounded by things belonging to him. And in his helmet gaped hole clearly from the blow, which, quite possibly, and led this warrior to death.


A sketch of the tomb of Campana (Veii), made by the archaeologist Canina after its discovery.


Golden "Wreath of Vulci" close-up. Great masters and aesthetes were Etruscans, of course. (Gregorian Etruscan Museum in the Vatican)


Another wreath from the tomb in Vulci. Dated 350 BC.

Very interesting and "Tomb of Reliefs" in Cherveteri, which belongs to the III century BC. er She is carved into the rock, and in the walls of her cell there are also carved niches like the boxes on which the bodies of the dead were located. Many objects are made as if they are hanging from nails in the walls, but they only symbolize real things. That is, we see the principle - “God, take that we are not worth it!”? Obviously, there was such a thing, and not in the same tomb. Nevertheless, in other Etruscan burials we find many valuable items, armor and weapons, that is, they had different tastes, that's all!


Etruscan Signet Ring. (Walters Art Museum, Baltimore, USA)

For example, on the pilaster at the top there is an image of a jug and a black bowl. On the pilaster on the right - bright multi-colored wreaths that adorn the heads of the guests. On the frieze above the wall niche we see the military equipment of the men of this family: swords, shields, helmets, greaves, and above the doorway a pair of large pipes. On the central columns there is a real exhibition of household items, some of which are of unknown purpose, since their artifacts have not been preserved. On the left column on the left you can see a large knife, and also an ax, a jug, a coil of rope, and maybe a sling. On the right, on the same column, we see a leather bag with a belt, a drinking bowl and many other items. Here and kitchen scoop, and tongs, and a large tray, hanging on a hook.


"Tomb of Reliefs" in Cherveteri. Here it is - a game board on the right of the wall, and a bag hanging on it!

And it is quite possible that in fact it is ... a board for a board game, since parallel lines are discernible on its surface, and next to it is a small bag in which bones or chips could be stored. On the panel on the right, again, is clearly visible a sling, and next to it is either a basket, or a round head of cheese. There are also skewers, a stand with two knives, a bowl on a tripod, and birds and animals that fill the free space. That is, we have a real household encyclopedia of the life of the Etruscans.


Black-figure amphora. 540-530 BC. (Louvre)

But as already noted, authentic objects, including a lot of gold and silver jewelry, as well as fine ceramics, are also found in the tombs of the Etruscans. That is, they did not spare the values ​​for the dead. It was not a pity for them to erect whole funerary cities. Interestingly, the Etruscans knew the way of cremation and sometimes cremated their departed and then put their ashes in the burial urns, sometimes just put them on the "deathbed", and sometimes placed in ceramic urns or sarcophagi. And it is precisely these sarcophagi that are considered the most original examples of Etruscan sculpture. The lid on them is usually made in the form of a bed for symposia (feast), and it depicts a reclining figure of the deceased, often with his wife. Persons clearly have a portrait likeness. Moreover, this similarity with time becomes more and more naturalistic and even frankly immodest. Physical defects, features of the disease or old age - all this is emphasized and depicted without any embellishment. So Roman sculptors had someone to learn ...

In any case, we can see how far the burial culture of the Etruscans is from the burial culture of the Slavs, so it is worth forgetting about their “mutual origin” once and for all!
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  1. +1
    17 October 2018 07: 00
    It turns out that the Etruscans (these are from the Russians) are the Armenians who stole the writing of the "Golden Fleece" (ie ancient ukrov) wassat . Interesting photos, interesting material. But still, the Etruscan haplogroup will bring all theories to pure alcohol laughing . From the Museum of Florence, too, it would be interesting to see the culture and writing of the Etruscans.
    1. +3
      17 October 2018 07: 12
      Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
      From the Museum of Florence, too, it would be interesting to see the culture and writing of the Etruscans.

      It’s a pity it’s impossible to read - Etruscan, it’s not readable laughing But interpreted, as necessary request Interestingly, our descendants in ... a hundred years will interpret the ruins of a bank or an oligarch's cottage as a "temple of wall paintings" or some kind of tomb? what wassat
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 08: 20
        It seems to be Grinevich read the Etruscan texts.
        1. +2
          17 October 2018 11: 11
          Quote: betta
          It seems to be Grinevich read the Etruscan texts.

          Grinevich does not boast of this anywhere and does not publish translations. And in general "he is doubtful ... I would not trust him" (c) Pokrovskie gates. laughing
          1. +2
            17 October 2018 19: 50
            Grinevich does not boast of this anywhere and does not publish translations.

            Strange logic! So you have to brag and beat your forehead against the wall, so that you understand ??? Yes, you look at his age! Why is he doing this? He did what he did.
            Accepted (understood) it - it does not matter. He did what he could.
            A translation of what was done was published, by the way. What else does? Trying to earn recognition where they don’t understand you? What for???
            Not to be doubtful for you? I think this can be said of everyone, incl. and about you.
        2. +1
          26 October 2018 00: 03
          If you are interested, type in the search Thaddeus Volansky. He easily read the inscriptions of the Etruscans based on the Slavic alphabet
          1. 0
            2 December 2018 20: 02
            He easily read the inscriptions of the Etruscans based on the Slavic alphabet

            He will read Chinese characters based on the Slavic alphabet, but will it be stupid?
            When reading, the same methods are used that are used to decrypt encoded messages. A person who is not a linguist and cryptologist can decipher anything, nor can he.
            Secondly, the methodology should be published in scientific journals, and the result should be reproducible by other specialists, if and only if it is believed that the ancient inscriptions are deciphered.
            1. 0
              3 December 2018 14: 09
              Maybe you are right .. But why, in the presence of powerful computers, they have not deciphered these inscriptions .. The question suggests itself ... Who benefits .. By the way, Polish priests sentenced Volansky to a seemingly harmless bookworm to be burned at the stake for decoding Etruscan inscriptions .. Why would it be .. The intervention of Nicholas II saved. I was interested in this topic for a long time .. Looking once at an album with Etruscan frescoes, I noticed a portrait of a buried woman with an inscription. Something caught. In this inscription. I compared it for a long time and it seems understood the meaning. I am not a great connoisseur of linguistics, but the inscription testified that she served as a model for writing the "portrait" of the goddess Minerva. In any case, I understand so ...
        3. 0
          26 October 2018 00: 23
          Etruscans means Russian Yes
      2. 0
        17 October 2018 09: 56
        Quote: Rurikovich
        It’s a pity it’s impossible to read - Etruscan, it’s not readable
        We need to turn to Chudinov: he, with his vivid imagination, will find writing on the polished surface. In modern Russian, moreover. It seems that the Egyptian madu netcher "translated".
        1. +2
          17 October 2018 10: 04
          Quote: Simargl
          Quote: Rurikovich
          It’s a pity it’s impossible to read - Etruscan, it’s not readable
          We need to turn to Chudinov: he, with his vivid imagination, will find writing on the polished surface. In modern Russian, moreover. It seems that the Egyptian madu netcher "translated".

          Even earlier, E. Klassen proved that the Etruscan language is read in the Slavic dialect. This does not say that the Etruscans are Slavs, it indicates that they are of the same root It is enough to recall Russia and Lithuania, Lithuania, until the 12 century, (for sure) wrote all the documents in Old Russian, now the essence of them is the Germans.
          1. +1
            17 October 2018 10: 08
            Quote: Wend
            Even earlier, E. Klassen proved that the Etruscan language is read in the Slavic dialect.
            Something with logic: they could not read yet, but the Slavs were dragged. Oh yes! And who can say how the Slavic dialects of 2000 sounded years ago?
            1. +1
              17 October 2018 10: 22
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: Wend
              Even earlier, E. Klassen proved that the Etruscan language is read in the Slavic dialect.
              Something with logic: they could not read yet, but the Slavs were dragged. Oh yes! And who can say how the Slavic dialects of 2000 sounded years ago?

              With logic, everything is in order, and with information too. Read Klassen, and other researchers. Yegor Ivanovich Klassen (1795 — 16 (28) July 1862). Language does not completely lose its similarity.
              1. +6
                17 October 2018 12: 12
                The idea of ​​interpreting the toponymy and ethnonymy of Italy and the vocabulary of Etruscan inscriptions with the help of the Russian language does not belong to Klassen, who, in modern terms, was a "folkistorist" amateur, but to a historian, a corresponding member of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences, an honorary member of the Moscow Archaeological Society, secret adviser Alexander Dmitrievich Chertkov ...
                Without diminishing his indisputable merits in developing the problem of the origin of the Etruscans, his attempts to interpret Cremona as the Kremlin, Kremenets, Kremenchug, and pelignov as glades, should nevertheless be attributed to curiosities. He owns the theory that the Etruscans and Slavs have common ancestors.
                Nevertheless, the idea did not sink into oblivion and after two hundred years found its harvesters.
          2. +1
            17 October 2018 10: 40
            Quote: Wend
            It is enough to recall Russia and Lithuania, Lithuania until the 12 century (for sure) wrote all the documents in Old Russian, now the essence of them is the Germans.

            It is not surprising that Byelorussians until the middle of the 17 century they wrote in West Russian.
            Even now they don’t write German and are not Germans.
            1. +2
              17 October 2018 11: 04
              Quote: merlin
              Quote: Wend
              It is enough to recall Russia and Lithuania, Lithuania until the 12 century (for sure) wrote all the documents in Old Russian, now the essence of them is the Germans.

              It is not surprising that Byelorussians until the middle of the 17 century they wrote in West Russian.
              Even now they don’t write German and are not Germans.

              Keeping your tongue was very difficult. Belarusians succeeded, but Lithuania did not. Luzhitsky sorbes are still fighting. Prussian language has disappeared seems century in 17.
              1. 0
                17 October 2018 11: 26
                Quote: Wend
                Keeping your tongue was very difficult. Belarusians succeeded, but Lithuania did not. Luzhitsky sorbes are still fighting. Prussian language has disappeared seems century in 17.

                What is called Lithuania or the Grand Duchy of Lithuania since the 13 century is now commonly called Belarus.
                What is now called Lithuania in 13. It was called емemaitija, and modern Latvians, respectively - емemaitija.
                The concepts of Lithuania and Samogitia are different, at least the title of the Lithuanian prince Vitovt speaks about this - the great "prince of Lithuania, Samogitia, Russia".
                Zemait (modern Lithuanians) retained their language and it is significantly different from German.
                Nobody argues with the fact that modern Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian languages ​​come from the same root (Old Russian language), so, honestly, Anatoly, I just don’t understand what you are trying to prove.
                1. +2
                  17 October 2018 12: 08
                  Quote: merlin
                  Quote: Wend
                  Keeping your tongue was very difficult. Belarusians succeeded, but Lithuania did not. Luzhitsky sorbes are still fighting. Prussian language has disappeared seems century in 17.

                  What is called Lithuania or the Grand Duchy of Lithuania since the 13 century is now commonly called Belarus.
                  What is now called Lithuania in 13. It was called емemaitija, and modern Latvians, respectively - емemaitija.
                  The concepts of Lithuania and Samogitia are different, at least the title of the Lithuanian prince Vitovt speaks about this - the great "prince of Lithuania, Samogitia, Russia".
                  Zemait (modern Lithuanians) retained their language and it is significantly different from German.
                  Nobody argues with the fact that modern Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian languages ​​come from the same root (Old Russian language), so, honestly, Anatoly, I just don’t understand what you are trying to prove.

                  Nothing to you
          3. +2
            17 October 2018 11: 22
            Quote: Wend
            E. Klassen proved that the Etruscan language is read in the Slavic dialect

            Did not prove, and put forward a hypothesis. But I could not read anything. Alas.
            1. +2
              17 October 2018 11: 39
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Quote: Wend
              E. Klassen proved that the Etruscan language is read in the Slavic dialect

              Did not prove, and put forward a hypothesis. But I could not read anything. Alas.

              Yes, my mistake, Yegor Klassen cited translations of Fadey Volansky in his book.
      3. +6
        17 October 2018 10: 49
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Interestingly, our descendants in ... a hundred years will interpret the ruins of a bank or an oligarch's cottage as a "temple of wall paintings" or some kind of tomb?

        Do you think our descendants will be smart enough to distinguish a dwelling from a cemetery or a temple? I would like to believe that there will be, although some signs indicate that this may become a problem for them, despite the fact that all of the listed categories of buildings and structures (as well as many others) have specific signs indicating their purpose. However, if followers, for example, Fomenko, with the appropriate mathematical education, will "interpret", I am not sure that they will not accept a public toilet for a dining room, and a bathhouse for a butcher's shop.
        1. +4
          17 October 2018 12: 36
          However, scientists believe that the architecture of the burial structures can be traced to the development of the architecture of the dwelling, since the prototype of the tombs was a residential building.
          It is not by chance that funeral structures are always considered in books on the history of architecture.
          As for the burial structures of the Etruscans, they are described in great detail in the second volume of the "General History of Architecture", in the chapter "Burial Structures" of the subsection "Etruscan architecture" of the section "Architecture of Ancient Rome".
        2. +5
          17 October 2018 15: 29
          "Club on Nagornaya street
          Became a public restroom
          Our native central market
          Turned into a dirty warehouse
          Microfilm Distorted
          GUM has become a little hut
          And it’s indecent to remember
          What was the Moscow Art Theater Theater "
          V.S. Vysotsky
      4. 0
        21 October 2018 20: 48
        In Etruscan "child" - "ruva (roar)", as well as many basic words - water, river, mother. corn. etc .. very similar
      5. 0
        24 October 2018 19: 42
        In general, there is an Indo-European language group.

    2. 0
      24 October 2018 19: 40

      It turns out the Etruscans (these are from the Russians)
      This Zadornov said.
    3. 0
      2 December 2018 20: 27
      All Indo-European peoples, come from a common pranarod, which for tens of thousands of years, was divided into tribes that scattered in different directions and again crushed many times, the pedigree looks like a tree - the trunk and crown of branches and branches.
      The Italians did not give birth to the Spaniards, but they have a common ancestor - the Romans, like the Indians, Persians, Romans, German, and Slavic peoples exist in parallel and did not give birth to each other, but descend from a common ancestor. And also languages ​​preserved similar words and roots.
  2. +4
    17 October 2018 07: 11
    Oh beautiful!
    Interesting walk, thanks
  3. +3
    17 October 2018 07: 17
    Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
    From the Museum of Florence, too, would see the culture and writing of the Etruscans

    I’ll go and see, I promise ...
    1. +3
      17 October 2018 09: 33
      That is, there will be a cycle? It would be nice, because "what do we know about the fox? Nothing! And that's not all ...".
      1. 0
        17 October 2018 13: 12
        Let it be, sooner or later. While on other people's sources. Next - how lucky.
    2. +2
      17 October 2018 10: 56
      Okay, boom wait. Only how, after all, did the Etruscans call themselves - after all, should they have some kind of self-name?
      And I wanted to clarify - it was they who invented the pre-nomen-cognognom instead of Ivan, the son of Ivan from Ivanovka?
      1. +2
        18 October 2018 22: 48
        Quote: sivuch
        Only how, after all, did the Etruscans call themselves - after all, should they have some kind of self-name?

        races or races that some connect with the self-designation of the people of Russia and the camp of Russia ...
        1. 0
          21 October 2018 08: 07
          It was necessary to answer by mail and not give out military secrets. And then it started ...
    3. +2
      17 October 2018 12: 15
      The production of art has always been commerce to this day. Who knows if someone’s order was a culture or a trophy, or maybe a fake from the Middle Ages, and how much did the antiques of the time reflect modernity. The so-called tombs, could be used for different purposes by different people, cultures. Many questions. One thing is clear, made by man.
  4. +5
    17 October 2018 07: 42
    Good selection.

    Did Etruscans somehow reflect in the literature of history?

    I caught myself thinking that most of these items are "static".
    But if there is dynamics, saturation with events - it is felt.

    This is to say that for me so far everything related to the Etruscans is a dark period.
  5. 0
    17 October 2018 07: 48
    The Etruscans assimilated culturally and linguistically the future Romans (Latins, R1b), and not vice versa, for a simple reason - the number of Etruscans was several orders of magnitude higher than the population of seven villages in which the Latins lived in the swampy lowlands of the Tiber River.

    The Latins were historically lucky - they began to dominate the region after the defeat of the Etruscan city-states by the Cisalpian galls.

    The Etruscans are migrants from Asia Minor, the Northern Semites (J2), assimilated by the Mitannian Aryans and driven out from Asia by the Greeks. The Etruscans spoke a Sanskrit dialect, so their language is similar to the language of the Slavs.

    After assimilation, the descendants of the Latins formed the Senate of Rome, while the overwhelming part of the urban population consisted of the descendants of the Etruscans and migrants from other regions of the Apennine Peninsula, and then other regions of the Roman Empire. Hence the legal wording - "Senate and people of Rome".

    Latin is a hybrid of Etruscan and Celtic languages ​​spoken by the population of the Apennine Peninsula before the Etruscans arrived there.
    1. +3
      17 October 2018 08: 11
      Latin is a hybrid of Etruscan and Celtic languages ​​spoken by the population of the Apennine Peninsula before the Etruscans arrived there.
      Reply
      the Romans knew Etruscan before the Etruscans arrived!?!?
      1. +2
        17 October 2018 18: 23
        The Celts of the Apennine Peninsula before the Etruscans spoke Celtic.
        1. Cat
          +6
          17 October 2018 19: 45
          Latin is a hybrid of Etruscan and Celtic languages ​​spoken by the population of the Apennine Peninsula before the Etruscans arrived there.

          Dear Andrey! After reading your commentary, there is a desire to exclaim in the words of the classic "horses mixed in a bunch"!
          Maybe everything is much simpler and it is worth paying attention to the lines of the Romans themselves?
          Quote from Comparative Biographies of Plutarch, head of Numias,
          In addition, Numa was a Sabine native, and, according to the Sabines themselves, they are immigrants from Lacedaemon.

          If someone is not in the subject or has not discovered a worthy Author for a long time. The Sabines are the people of that city from where the Romans stole their future wives!
          So initially your statement about the solemnity of the Slavic and Etruscan languages ​​is in doubt.
          Because the Greeks of Hellas did not understand the language of the peoples of Scythia. No wonder they, and later the Romans drew a hard line according to the linguistic principle. Civilization and barbarians (war-bar or bar-bar) as you like. The only thing that can draw your version to credibility is evidence of the identity of the pleasts and Etruscans. But.......? So far, quite the opposite thesis prevails in scientific use. And the Greeks distinguished both peoples!
          Sincerely, Vlad Kotische!
          By the way, if there is a desire to tie the Etruscans to the Indo-European community, first of all, it is necessary to start the turn from the ancient Greeks and Romans themselves! Which, incidentally, is already in the scientific world - it is believed, that is, it has a proven evidence base.
          1. +2
            17 October 2018 20: 08
            Where did I argue about the identity of the Slavic and Etruscan languages?

            I just talked about the common origin of these languages ​​from Aryan Sanskrit: Slavic is a direct descendant, Etruscan is a hybrid of Sanskrit with Nokhchi.

            PS The Latin word "barbara" comes from the Sanskrit word "brada" (beard). From the onomatopoeia of the Hamitic language "ber-ber" comes the Latin name of the inhabitants of North Africa - Berbers.

            PPS What did the Etruscan migrants have to do with the showdown "on the raion" between the local Celts - Latins and Sabines?
          2. +5
            17 October 2018 20: 47
            That's what cats have always bribed me with - it's politeness! No barking, no yelling "who are you". Walked up politely and marked the opponent's slippers!
          3. +3
            17 October 2018 21: 17
            "The oak foliage was alive
            Before the flight of Aeneas from Troy "(c).
            1. Cat
              +6
              17 October 2018 21: 35
              And I naively believed the 5th grade textbook "On the history of the ancient world", Fuclid, Aristotle and a couple more - the three Greeks and Romans, who wrote about the origin of the word "barbarian", mentioning only the tradition of Hellas. However, they "vrazhin" localized their "barbarians" in the northeastern Mediterranean Sea and the shores of the Black Sea! Where were the Greek city-states and the Scythian tribes lived.
              Based on your comment, it follows that the Greeks borrowed the concept of "Barbarian" from the Romans, as they called the Berbers that way !!! By the way, many Greek philosophers considered the Romans to be barbarians as well, and not vice versa!
              Sincerely, Kitty!
              1. +4
                17 October 2018 22: 08
                I will tell you more! They considered the Macedonians barbarians. The poor fellow Alexander was so driven up in an Athenian school, he reached India, trying to prove that he was also Hellenic!
              2. +5
                17 October 2018 22: 09
                (Sorry, I can not resist)
                And really, how naive you are! Who believes in books and other sources, all the more ancient ?! This is the century before last, one must be progressive and original, otherwise it is boring and not interesting, how do you not understand ?!

                "The encyclopedia is lying, like a gray gelding,
                I read it enthusiastically
                Encyclopedia is lying, and I believed her, believed
                And everything that is stated there, I considered the truth. "

                Meanwhile, younger students are asking similar questions, and trying to provoke questions. But with them, until you have matured, you can find mutual understanding.
              3. +2
                17 October 2018 23: 24
                Cat

                You have a memory aberration:
                - the Greeks had a national tradition of letting go of beards, so they could not distinguish the alien peoples to bearded men;
                - the Romans had a national tradition of shaving beards, therefore they called the foreign tribes (mainly Germans and Slavs) bearded men / barbaras.
            2. Cat
              +5
              17 October 2018 21: 57
              Quote from Korsar4
              "The oak foliage was alive
              Before the flight of Aeneas from Troy "(c).


              Dear Sergey, a very valuable remark! The only trouble is that Mr. Aeneas "dumped" to the west, so according to the modern and only correct theory of our site, he is the ancestor of the "masters of the west"!
              By the way, if you try to shake it off, then by pulling up tearful information from ancient Greek authors, you can stake out the history of education and Rome and even Carthage for the latter. And given that "Carthage must be destroyed" on this "carnation" such a picture can be hung, that my salivation began to flow. The only thing is that on this carnation there are so many works of the Authors, starting with Herodotus and Plutarch, that "riots of fantasy about the homeland of the Sumerians" are children's fairy tales! And there is no way for Aeneas to go east! Such a plot disappears .......
              1. +4
                17 October 2018 22: 14
                I have a godfather.

                He usually quotes in such cases:

                "Hegel was wrong about something
                With Feuerbach ... "(c).

                I will not continue further. And then the rules of the site are contrary.
  6. +2
    17 October 2018 08: 39
    As I saw the article - I immediately thought that there would be comments of Fomenkoids about Russians) I was not mistaken)
  7. +3
    17 October 2018 09: 18
    Banditaccia necropolis (named after the bandits lived in empty tombs in the recent past, about which the great Dumas wrote)

    What expanse about conspiracy theorists!
    Italian bandits are the descendants of the tomb guardians of the ancient Slavs. But Dumas knew everything about them, because he himself was Russian (Pushkin, did you forget?) And he knew the secrets of the past! am
    1. +2
      17 October 2018 20: 03
      And Dumas knew everything about them, because he himself was Russian

      Big, by the way, was a specialist in cranberries, and on which trees it grows. Russian no doubt laughing
  8. +4
    17 October 2018 09: 25
    Still correctly accompany the story with pictures! And not just for the pleasure of the readers (though, thanks a lot from the readers for this!).

    They once told us about the hypotheses of the origin and assimilation of the Etruscans, about the language not deciphered, and that only the necropolises remained ... And all that was left in the head was a dark matter and a lot of unknown.

    And now, as if the curtain had lifted, information is not so little, it turns out. And yes, there was someone to learn from future masters.

    And wreaths for the Mediterranean climate are the right invention - they will save you from sunstroke, and you don’t need to carry a bark with you (broke the rods and twisted), and the distinction, and the scope for symbolism (to whom, when and to crown), everything hats are a significant thing, and their history is rich.
  9. +4
    17 October 2018 09: 43
    In any case, we can see how far the burial culture of the Etruscans is from the burial culture of the Slavs, so it is worth forgetting about their “mutual origin” once and for all!

    Always touched by people who, by the consonance of the names, prove the relationship of the Etruscans with the Russian (although the self-name of the Etruscans is not "Etruscans", but "Rassna"), then by some one sign they prove the impossibility of such a relationship. No. lol
    Interestingly, the Etruscans knew how to cremate and sometimes cremated their dead.

    They didn’t just know, namely, the transition to cremation on the funeral pyre, as the main funeral rite, is considered the starting point for the appearance of Etruscan culture on the Apennine peninsula, and the same cremation was considered the main type of funeral rite from about the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries BC. e.
    In general, the article, although colorful and easy to read, is extremely uninformative and descriptive, the analysts in the article are at a minimum, and even that the level of argumentation is simply ridiculous, and many facts are simply omitted.
    1. +4
      17 October 2018 10: 52
      About consonance,
      what dreamers will not come up with, for example, somewhere came across a funny "translation" of the name: juniper - "maybe spruce (nickname)", probably, this is an uncomplicated folk etymology.
      It didn’t even occur to the Etruscans, maybe such interpretations arise among those who were too fond of rebuses in childhood?
  10. +2
    17 October 2018 11: 09
    "Looking back, we see only graves,
    The look, of course, is very barbaric, but true. "
    "Letters to a Roman Friend"
    I. Brodsky
    1. +3
      17 October 2018 12: 17
      Yet "we see only ruins."

      And the conclusion is good there. Universal.

      "Come. Let's drink some wine.
      Let's eat some bread. "

      I wonder how much time should pass so that the ancestors clearly introduce themselves?

      However, while the Russian language lives on, "War and Peace" and "The Karomazov Brothers" will be read.

      But we read less of the same Lomonosov.
      1. +4
        17 October 2018 15: 19
        I won’t argue, I haven’t been playing for a long time and I don’t have it at hand.
        1. +1
          18 October 2018 19: 34
          George Shah. And trees, like horsemen ... I advise you to read!
  11. +7
    17 October 2018 12: 23
    "But the cauldron is a cauldron, but this chimera from Arezzo is made with much greater skill."

    This cyst with a popular plot of amazonomachy from Vulchi also looks worthy.
  12. +3
    17 October 2018 12: 57
    So after all the writing of the Etruscans is still not deciphered

    Long decrypted! As early as the 1846th century, this was done by Fadey Volanskii and other researchers. The Etruscan alphabet consists of one third of modern Russian letters. Let's read for example some Etruscan inscription. The inscription on the monument found near Kretschio in XNUMX.

    The figure on the right side shows the Etruscan alphabet. The 1st column on the left is Cyrillic, the Etruscan alphabet is on the far right. On the left, the Etruscan inscription itself is depicted. In Etruscan it sounds like this: Resko weight God, above Wim and Dima, Ezmenu Rasiya, He is the same guardian (my) house and decest, Lezene Ezmen! Ekatezin is distant; I’ll go to the land; Toci Vero Vero! some, Eney king-rode. Sideiz with Ladoim in Elisha, Leyta caught, forgetting; Oh! good roads!

    Translation: Rivers of all God the Highest: Maidim, Ezmenu, Russia, He also takes care of [my] house and children. Stupid [beautiful, magnificent] Yezmen! Ekatezin is far away; to the bottom of the earth [to the bottom of the earth] I go [probably, here we mean the trip of the deceased to the afterlife "to the bottom of the earth"]. Only faith - the faith from which King Aeneas comes from. Sitting with Lad and Elis [Elisha?]. Will you understand? [do you remember] do you forget? Oh! dear, good!

    Before us is a meaningful Old Russian text, for the most part quite understandable and very natural just for a gravestone. The names unknown today are mentioned: Maidim, Ezmen - apparently, the names of some places. DIRECT TEXT Mentioned RUSSIA, moreover, in the usual form for the southern Slavs RUSSIA. Those. at the time of the Etruscans, Russia already existed! By the way, the Etruscans called themselves RACENDS, as well as RACES. That is, simply RUSSIAN.

    http://chronologia.org/mr5_etruski/etruscans_2_03.html#et25
    1. +4
      17 October 2018 13: 22
      The self-name of the people of Rasenna - Rasenna - must be accepted in order to see Russia in this.
      If the language, then the origin of the Etruscan language is not established. Apart from the possible relationship between Etruscan and two other dead languages ​​- Retic and Lemnosian (supposedly identical to the reconstructed Pelasgian), Etruscan is considered an isolate language and does not have any relatives recognized by science. One of the hypotheses about the origin of Etruscan is the version of S. A. Starostin and I. M. Dyakonov about the relationship of the Etruscan language with the extinct Hurrian and Urartian. Other scholars continue to insist on the kinship of Etruscan with the Anatolian (Hitto-Luwian) branch of the Indo-European languages. Given the few known Etruscan words and only limited knowledge of Etruscan grammar, all these assumptions are very speculative to a very large extent.
      Over the past 100 years, some progress has been made in the study of the Etruscan language: many grammatical forms have been identified, the values ​​of several hundred words have been established with varying degrees of reliability, and most of the inscriptions have been interpreted. Nevertheless, it is too early to speak about the final decryption.
      Researchers with varying degrees of confidence speak of the existence of relatives of the Etruscan language in the same historical period:
      the language of the Lemnos stela of the 6th – 5th centuries BC e. (presumably - the language of the Pelasgians, according to Herodotus, who lived on the island in the indicated period);
      Retian language (numerous brief monuments from Northern Italy of the 5th – 2nd centuries BC)
      Less likely, as related were considered (but not recognized by most researchers):
      Eteokypri language (the language of the pre-Greek population of the island of Cyprus) - the inscriptions are made by the so-called Cypriot script (there are texts with parallel Greek translation);
      Kamunsky language.
      The largest contribution to the study of the Etruscan language was made by researchers from Italy, Austria and Germany, primarily A. Trombetti, M. Pallottino, A. Pfiffig, H. Ricks and others. In the former USSR, A. I. Nemirovsky, A. I. Kharsekin and A.M. Kondratov.
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 13: 51
        The self-name of the people of Rasenna - Rasenna - must be accepted in order to see Russia in this.

        You are not careful. Russia or Russia was seen in the Etruscan word RASIA. The Etruscans mention RACE, they call themselves RACES or RACE, make up the semantic series, RACE-RACE-RATED (in the sense of common) -RACES-RUS-RUSSIAN, what is wrong here?
        Here you have another Etruscan inscription on cameos (in the figure on the left), anyone who speaks Russian can read it, even a table with a translation of the alphabet is not needed.

        In the Russian language (in the original):
        Erased Cupid wounds Menifey.
        In Russian:
        Cupid's arrow hurts Menifey.

        How could you not read this for hundreds of years? Well, it's just some kind of circus! Almost all ordinary Russian letters and clear text!
        http://chronologia.org/mr5_etruski/etruscans_3_04.html#et344
        1. +1
          17 October 2018 18: 36
          Rasena - from the word race, community / community in Sanskrit.

          The number of Etruscan city-states on the Apennine Peninsula reached 10, in each of them lived a separate tribe, at odds with other Etruscan tribes and Celtic neighbors. Etruscan language and writing rules had differences between tribes.

          On the border of the territory of the southernmost Etruscan tribe, they founded a border settlement called Roma. The settlement was ruled by the Etruscans ("tsars" in the Russian tradition), but the bulk of the inhabitants were Latins - from the surrounding villages. A similar approach would later be replicated by the Romans at the stage of the expansion of the Roman Empire.

          Naturally, the former hillbilly sought to imitate the top of society and spoke Surzhik - a mixture of Etruscan and Celtic languages. This was not difficult, since both were hybrids of Sanskrit, respectively, with Nokhchi and Basque.
          1. 0
            18 October 2018 22: 44
            Quote: Operator
            Naturally, the former hillbilly sought to imitate the top of society and spoke Surzhik - a mixture of Etruscan and Celtic languages. This was not difficult, since both were hybrids of Sanskrit, respectively, with Nokhchi and Basque.

            Unusual hypothesis, it is necessary to check.
        2. +3
          18 October 2018 11: 26
          "Here's another Etruscan inscription on cameos (in the figure on the left), anyone who knows Russian can read it, you don't even need a table with a translation of the alphabet."

          Well, since the Etruscan inscription is so readable, translate what is written on this stone, I will be very grateful to you
          1. 0
            24 October 2018 11: 37
            what is written on this stone
            What is this stone ? Where is this stone from? And where did you get that it belongs to the Etruscans?
            1. 0
              24 October 2018 17: 17
              How is it from where?
              From the same place, from where all the pictures in the comments wassat
              As Victor wrote below, most of these drawings have nothing to do with the Etruscans.
              No dating is not material evidence, but there are translations, maybe there is a translation for this stone)
      2. 0
        23 October 2018 11: 59
        Tabula race - a clean sheet, as the Latins said. If the Rassen CANNOT be related either to the Race or to the Raseniya, then it is time for us all to go to the Latin alphabet! Why ponder over your native pompous? It’s easier to kneel before the general people, and Shchasye will be. . But something is no desire. For to cultivate one's lineage is the normal natural desire of a rational individual. Here you can even understand ukrov, not for long, until you begin to laugh.
    2. +3
      17 October 2018 14: 16
      Thaddeus Volansky is the same "folk historian" as Klassen. "[Volansky's works] by their content prove that the author was too trusting and extremely gifted with a magnificent imagination" - this is about him by his fellow countryman, also a Pole, only a specialist, Sliva.
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 15: 59
        Another enlightener came to the wretched "tradiks" to preach the Truth. How many of them have already been. Only one gem with "Meniphea" has been brought up three times in the last couple of years.
    3. +6
      17 October 2018 14: 28
      Quote: Terror
      It has long been deciphered!

      I was waiting for this! I believed it would come. Everything, absolutely everything is in place, just a classic of the genre of the new chronology! Even the reference below did not forget that the neophytes were not lost and immediately understood from where this warm breeze blew out ... laughing
      Everything has been deciphered long ago, but the scientists-traitors of the Russian people secret information from us - the Etruscans are Russians! One goal is to deprive the Russian people of its great past, so that the Jews and other masters of the West can more easily control it. But you will not take us so easily, and here’s the truth in its highest manifestation is concretely and clearly set forth in the new chronology.
      Okay, let's do some scientific work. wassat
      So we have the source text - a certain set of characters, some of them resemble the letters of the modern Russian alphabet. The first thing we do is identify these characters and these letters. It turns out nonsense, but it does not matter, the work is just beginning. The remaining characters, modern Russian letters are not similar, we arbitrarily identify with other letters. Unnecessary we will lower, we will change something a little, we do not put spaces yet. Why exactly? But look at what happened, the main thing is the result. And what happened? Oh, it came out a coherent, well, almost coherent text.
      rekvesbogvyshvimaimiimimeneniyaimeniezhepetsiedomidometsy spleenimenzmenatatzizindalechimdodoluyumoyuyutoytsyververoverosokoprosykoymenemenyarodenesideseideyyydorimyymleyypoymeypoymeszovyyporenoyporozhi goroshi

      Incomprehensible content?
      It does not matter, we will explain, everything is simple here, the main thing is to set the gaps correctly. Correctly:
      Reski weight god vy vai madima ezmen jurayu siyi opetskom ode and dets esle pei emenmen e katezinda we treat before doulezm eat otsii likeli with what tsar clan ideas you have lost great ways you can

      Now it is clear? Not? I translate.
      Ries weight god above - said god above.
      Vai Mai Dima Ezmen Jura - you are my Dima, Yezmen and Yura
      this is the same with food and dec - now you will receive "opets" and "dec"
      esle drink emenmene - if you plump without drying
      We treat Kate Zinda - go to Kate, she will cure you
      before they die, they will turn into animals (hedgehogs)
      believe probably your eyes
      What is the reason for the king to bring the ideas to the sweet? less than the king of Rhodes to his narcotic delirium
      im great omleyty floodplain - I command you to make yourself an omelet
      forgot it - and don't forget about it
      Oh, the roads are good - well, I find it difficult to translate. One thing I can say for sure is not about Russia.
      laughing
      1. +4
        17 October 2018 15: 12
        "Sour shorts were cooked
        Poked on Nav
        And the grunts grunted
        Like muzyki in mov "
        And "The Snark Hunt" is a translation of the Etruscan version of the story of the Argonauts.
      2. +5
        17 October 2018 17: 36
        Be careful, Michael. It is impossible to rejoice so frankly new victim. You and so already folkhistorics scare children. Creepy stories tell. Like, at your place there is a scarecrow of Baron Sebottendorf, well, it seems like the Baron also wanted to, but your ancestors managed before. laughing
        1. +5
          17 October 2018 18: 45
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          It is impossible to rejoice so frankly to the new victim

          I missed lunch today because of my scientific zeal. sad So angry and unpleasant. wink
          And then, if they are victims, they are definitely not mine. Victims of their own illusions, victims of fraud, victims of pseudoscientific hoaxes, victims of abortion, anything but mine.
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          you have an effigy of baron Sebottendorf at home

          No, at home I have a collection of manuals for an advanced Russophobe and a mountain of manuals on the topic "How to deal with true patriots of Russia." Everything is in Hebrew, produced in Washington, DC, sent to me by a special courier from the US State Department. laughing
          But seriously, these new residents of Chronology are different, but I don’t rush at all.
          There are quite decent people among them, for example, Rurik, I don’t touch him and don’t get to the bottom of what is not relevant to Fomenko, he is absolutely adequate. There are unpleasant types of the notorious Bar 1 or Venia the Blessed (venaja, remember this?), There are just stupid, there are stupid and active, now I do not remember all the call signs.
          Comrade Terror here relatively recently, look at what he can do. smile
          1. +2
            17 October 2018 19: 24
            Oh, Venya! Venya was that monster. And the anamnesis was original. When I realized that he considered himself a direct descendant of the Neanderthals, I regretted that there was no "operator" on the branch. There would be a battle of the titans!
            1. +6
              17 October 2018 20: 25
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              There would be a battle of the titans!

              I remember a couple of times they overlap. The battles of the titans did not work, the Operator ate Wen, suppressing him with numbers, terms and a confident tone. But on the debate itself Klesova and Fomenko, I would have looked, listened. That would really be a battle of titans ...
              1. +5
                17 October 2018 20: 38
                So the operator is a Cro-Magnon, and he ate the last relic. But now we have figured out where Venya has gone! laughing
    4. +5
      17 October 2018 15: 55
      Your division!
      Reski weight God, ex Wima and Dima, Ezmenu Rasiya

      Translation: Russian is God, Vova and Dima came out and changed Russia!
      Ahhhh! They all knew! am
      1. Cat
        +4
        17 October 2018 21: 20
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        Your division!
        Reski weight God, ex Wima and Dima, Ezmenu Rasiya

        Translation: Russian is God, Vova and Dima came out and changed Russia!
        Ahhhh! They all knew! am

        You still got a divine translation! Vova and Dima and Racea saw such things with me that ........ I even blushed with shame¡
    5. +2
      18 October 2018 22: 43
      Quote: Terror
      The names unknown today are mentioned: Maidim, Ezmen - apparently, the names of some places. DIRECT TEXT mentions RUSSIA, moreover, in the usual form for the southern Slavs, RASIA. Those. at the time of the Etruscans, Russia already existed! By the way, the Etruscans called themselves RACENDS, as well as RACES. That is, simply RUSSIAN

      This is one of the main arguments in favor of a kindred relationship between the Proto-Slavs and the ancient Etruscans ...
      1. 0
        19 October 2018 06: 33
        This is all WORDS! Material culture is important. What can you hold on to!
        1. +3
          19 October 2018 21: 35
          Quote: kalibr
          This is all WORDS! Material culture is important. What can you hold on to!

          Put it this way, the whole complex of signs is important, since both language and material culture can change, be borrowed from more "progressive" peoples, etc.

          The material culture of the Etruscans clearly has three sources (and apparently three ethnic components) - some Little Asian or Hellenic roots + some connection with the ancient Italian cultures of North + original elements. On this basis, the civilizational community of Latsium-Rome was later built.

          And just as a fact: in the history of unknown peoples who would have similar self-names, would have a similar basis of language and would not have any kindred.

          But at that time (1st millennium BC), when the Etruscans, having moved from Asia Minor, settled the Apennines and created their own civilization, the small number of Proto-Slavs, most likely, being within the framework of the Scythian-Saka ethnic community, migrated (roamed, " wandered "- compare with the" Scythians "\" sketes "\" wanderers ") across the steppes of Central Asia from the South Urals to modern Ukraine, had a rather primitive material culture and could not reach the forefront of world history.

          In principle, an analogue is the same as in Mesoamerica - when one ethnic group created the Mayan empire and created an original civilization, its part remained on the plains of North America, where it did not form any statehood and then merged into other tribal associations.
  13. +4
    17 October 2018 15: 09
    Quote: Terror
    That is, simply RUSSIAN.

    Other simplicity is worse than theft!
  14. +3
    17 October 2018 15: 35
    this chimera from Arezzo is made with much more art. And nothing like this ever, anywhere and never found in the burials of the Slavs!

    It can be seen in that historical period of the Slavs, with a hangover, the squirrel did not visit. laughing A joke of course.
    1. Cat
      +3
      17 October 2018 19: 58
      Be careful! For such a comment on the thread of the respected Alexander Samsonov, moderators "abused" me. Since then I go with two warnings !!!
      Although not a fact, maybe they will slap it - the third !!!
      Sincerely, Kitty!
  15. +1
    17 October 2018 16: 47
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Only one gem with "Meniphea" has been brought up three times in the last couple of years.

    And there is nothing more ...
    1. 0
      17 October 2018 17: 01
      Interestingly, I was visited by thoughts of a remake alone?
      1. Cat
        +3
        17 October 2018 20: 07
        Good Evening!
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Interestingly, I was visited by thoughts of a remake alone?

        I think it's much easier! Considering that, in fact, all the languages ​​of European peoples received writing from one piggy bank, the high identity of "riz and devil" is understandable! Especially considering that the brothers Cyril and Methodius were not Egyptians, Incas and Chinese. Interestingly, no one suspected them as immigrants from Easter Island? Otherwise, it would be logical where the believing brothers who brought the Slavs - the alphabet could come from. That's right from the island of Easter, on Easter day ........
        Sincerely, Vlad Kotische!
        Sorry for Nicholas (Mikado) no, but the topic we have expanded!
        1. +2
          17 October 2018 20: 56
          It is good that not from Wrangel Island, the atoms would still periodically run in orcs in dusty budennovki, to duel at maxims "with elves in aiguillettes.
      2. +5
        17 October 2018 23: 17

        Cameos, in fact, as such do not exist.
        There is a drawing on the title page of the book by the German paleographer, professor at the University of Heidelberg Ulrich Friedrich Kopp De varia ratione inscriptiones interpretandi obscur. From Latin it translates roughly as "Different ways of interpreting inscriptions".
        For all that, this drawing has nothing to do with the contents of the book, for the book is not about the Etruscans. There are no explanations for the figure. It plays the role of decorating the title page. No one even knows why he was copied and whether such a cameo really was. By the way, Kopp loved to decorate his books with similar drawings.
        On what the confidence of Volansky and his followers is based, that it is an Etruscan cameo with a Russian text, only they know.
        The book was published in 1827. It is on the net and if someone speaks Latin and German, you can see.
        1. +2
          17 October 2018 23: 40
          Brilliant !!! Jeffrey Peters and Andy Tucker are just kids compared to the folk!
        2. +3
          18 October 2018 07: 26
          I didn’t know this! Well, well done, Viktor Nikolaevich!
    2. +3
      17 October 2018 20: 15
      Quote: kalibr
      And there is nothing more ...

      What is nothing? And what about the maps of Danila Ouspensky and other cartographers with all the Tartarians that the X1 Bar laid out to us? And the numerous miniatures where the Mongols and Turks are depicted as Europeans? Well we are blind, do not see the obvious.
      By the way, I forgot to thank you for a good article in the heat of the moment. I correct the error, thanks. smile
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 21: 09
        Thank! I did not expect such a stir!
        1. +5
          17 October 2018 21: 26
          "This is what life-giving pictures do" (almost (c)).
      2. Cat
        +5
        17 October 2018 21: 16
        And the cards of Danila Uspensky and other cartographers with all the Tartaria, which Bar1 tirelessly laid out for us? And the numerous miniatures where the Mongols and Turks are depicted as Europeans? Well, we are blind, we do not see the obvious.

        Yeah, .... by principle, if Russian bearded! Or if the edge of the card is gnawed, then it's old!
        It is necessary to turn to Anton for help, his dog has ... why bite the owner's slippers if there are cards. So I can see the editorials of the St. Petersburg newspapers, "The owner of the dog found an ancient map of Tartartaria under the floorboard" !!!
        Sincerely, otherwise my cat only wallpaper to tear .... though?
        1. +2
          17 October 2018 22: 38
          About 20 years ago, working in the old fund, he shot layer-by-layer wall-paper wallpapers, traditionally glued with newspapers. The last, before the plaster, was a German newspaper of the 1867 edition.
          By the way, Viktor Nikolaevich has a dog, I have a dog.
          1. Cat
            +2
            18 October 2018 20: 01
            Sorry for the tactlessness !!!
            Yours!
            1. +1
              18 October 2018 20: 12
              Oh, I beg you! We are not in a complaint. I do not demand satisfaction, and the dog will meow for the sausage in general.
  16. 0
    18 October 2018 00: 19
    Slavs like to the moon on foot, to these guys.
    1. 0
      18 October 2018 07: 24
      By the way, yes. It is enough to compare the burials and grave goods of our ancestors and the Etruscans. Even if they migrated, they could not so "run wild" and lose SO MUCH skills of their culture. It is enough to go to the State Historical Museum and see the hall with Slavic burials and go to the Gregorian Museum of the Vatican, where a whole floor is dedicated to the Etruscans!
  17. +2
    18 October 2018 03: 11
    Well, if we deduce from the Etruscans, then not Russians, but Russians. And these, it seems, are Scandinavians. So the Slavs have nothing to do with it.
  18. Cat
    +3
    18 October 2018 05: 28
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, let me congratulate you on your birthday and wish you success, well, then you have compiled a list .......!
    Regards, Sincerely Your Cat!
    The article was glorified! By the way, 945! Skorobudum celebrate 1000 !!!
    1. +3
      18 October 2018 07: 18
      Vladislav! Just opened the material, and then your congratulations - THANKS! A boost of energy for the whole day!
  19. +1
    18 October 2018 09: 01
    Or maybe the last people from Atlantis?
  20. +5
    18 October 2018 09: 13
    The article is informative, but not certain.
    how far is the funeral culture of the Etruscans from the funeral culture of the Slavs
    Here you don’t even have to go far for examples; in different Slavic areas, completely different burial cultures are usually dictated either by the influence of other ethnic groups, or by natural conditions, or by some other factors. Mounds in the Leningrad region are not at all like the stone walls of fences, for example, in the Astrakhan region (by the way, they still bury there like that). Or the funeral grottoes mentioned in other articles by the author in Turkey do not fit with the Islamic tradition of burying before sunset, I agree that Islam appeared later, but this once again confirms that the funeral culture is not static and depends on many factors, say, on the Russian plain there was not and there is not enough stone to build megalithic pantheons, and therefore the traditions of the funeral are different. Therefore, it is difficult to take on faith both the belonging of the Russians to the Etruscans, and their absolute difference and lack of common features based only on funeral rituals.
    In any case, the author respects the article.
  21. +4
    18 October 2018 11: 33
    Quote: Begemot
    funeral grottoes in Turkey do not fit with the Islamic tradition of burying before sunset

    They relate to the culture of the Greeks and are fully correlated with it. I saw very similar burials, for example, in Cyprus. They have nothing to do with Islam!
  22. +3
    18 October 2018 19: 33
    Quote: Terror
    How could you not read this for hundreds of years? Well, it's just some kind of circus! Almost all ordinary Russian letters and clear text!

    And besides this, is something else read?
    1. +2
      19 October 2018 11: 12
      And besides this, is something else read?

      Yes, read. The second side of the cameo.
      In the Russian language (in the original):
      Yao, the hosts, Adonea. Her! if he barks, they go to the tartaroyskotin.
      In Russian:
      I, the hosts of Adonah. Her! If he is scolded, they go to tartars, cattle (or tartar slime).

      Boy with a bird, the inscription on the leg:
      In the Russian language (in the original):
      Will give; maybe for a moment it’s nice.
      In Russian:
      I give will; maybe something from her dear tea [expects].

      The meaning of the inscription is fully consistent with the image.
      Other inscriptions see link:
      http://chronologia.org/mr5_etruski/etruscans_3_04.html#et342
      1. 0
        19 October 2018 14: 51
        This makes no sense!
  23. 0
    18 October 2018 20: 21
    Etruscan language and writing have long been deciphered - see the corresponding Wikipedia article.

    Another thing is that this language, based on Sanskrit, is replete with rudimentary borrowings from the Nakh-Dagestan language - the native language of the Etruscans (Northern Semites, indigenous inhabitants of Asia Minor and the East Caucasus). At the same time, Etruscan writing is primitive - syntax and grammar do not fully reflect phonetics. The transmission of Etruscan words using the Latin language reveals outgoing vowels and consonants not shown in Etruscan writing.

    The Latins took the Etruscan alphabet (derived from the Greek) as a basis, supplemented it with their own letters, borrowed a certain vocabulary, simplified grammar and syntax, streamlined the spelling rules and the direction of writing (from left to right). The only Etruscan archaic, which has passed into the Latin script, is the way "in reverse" designation of numerals of type IX (ten without one).
    1. +1
      18 October 2018 21: 39
      Wikipedia is a good thing. But reading it is only the last thing. And it’s better to start with this example: Nakh-Etruscan lexical meetings
      topic of dissertation and abstract on VAK 10.02.09, candidate of philological sciences Pliev, Ruslan Sultanovich

      Abstract
      Thesis
      Reference: 87374
      Year:
      2000
      Author of the scientific work:
      Pliev, Ruslan Sultanovich
      Academic degree:
      Candidate of Philology
      Place of defense of the dissertation:
      Nalchik
      VAK specialty code:
      10.02.09
      Specialty:
      Caucasian languages
      Number of Pages:
      245
      Scientific library of dissertations and abstracts disserCat http://www.dissercat.com/content/nakhsko-etrusskie-leksicheskie-vstrechi#ixzz5UJDZ8FYj
      1. 0
        19 October 2018 00: 33
        The basis for the coincidence of the (partial) Nakh and Etruscan languages ​​is not the thesis of the respected R.S. Pliev, but the genetic relationship of the Chechens / Ingush and Etruscans (J2).
        1. -2
          19 October 2018 06: 30
          I’m not a philologist and I just look through all the philological works ... Without going deeply.
        2. +4
          19 October 2018 21: 25
          Quote: Operator
          and the genetic relationship of the Chechens / Ingush and Etruscans (J2).

          Andrey, once again you are showing some incompleteness of your knowledge in the field of genetics, which you put everywhere, out of place or out of place. Just a fact - J2 is just one of the many genetic components of modern Nokhchi and a number of other peoples, "the Near Asian Semitic marker."

          And I personally have not heard that the bones of clearly identified ancient Etruscans were found, and even of sufficient safety, from which they could isolate the genetic material. Therefore, the presence of J2 among the Etruscans is only hypothetical (it is present in many modern and even mostly southern Italians, who really come from the ancient Semitic peoples of the Mediterranean). To make it clear - the region of Etruria-Tuscany - in northern Italy.
  24. +1
    21 October 2018 20: 45
    But what about the language of the Etruscans? In approximately the main (for communication) words, it is similar to Slavic ..
    1. +2
      23 October 2018 14: 33
      Quote: Separ
      But what about the language of the Etruscans? In approximately the main (for communication) words, it is similar to Slavic ..

      The fact is that all Indo-European languages ​​have some common words, not just because they are united by a unity of origin. But if we talk about Etruscan, unlike, say, one of the three ancient Hittite languages, it is not read by native speakers of the Slavic languages ​​and does not have a Slavic phonetics system ... (perhaps too much is perceived from Asia Minor and Italian languages). In contrast, let's say from Latin (including ancient), which has many words that are freely understood by native speakers of Russian and other Slavic languages.

      Therefore, I want to say that there is a relationship between the ancient ancestors of the Etruscans and the ancient ancestors of the Pre-Slavs (or even more precisely the Russians, who may be more German than the Slavs), but it is very distant. Just a certain unity of ethnical sources, but no more.
      1. 0
        23 October 2018 20: 28
        Thanks. Now I know. Although there are many questions about the language .. for example - why in all Slavic countries "onion" - tsibulya (chipollo in it.) And we have a bow, or we have a dog, and they have a dog? And much more..
        1. +1
          24 October 2018 21: 19
          Quote: Separ
          . for example - why in all Slavic countries "onion" - tsibulya (chipollo in it.) and we have a bow, or we have a dog, and they have a dog? And much more..

          And this, by the way - just two words - remains from Scythian languages.
  25. 0
    24 October 2018 10: 43
    I’m sure that it’s more logical to derive the name of Russians from the Etruscans and from related Prussians than from some Scandinavian roots. Yes and Rurik are probably just Russian. It’s enough to see how the Japanese, Chinese and others distort the word. Also the deciphered inscriptions say that they were Slavs, then there are those who own the Word, unlike the dumb Germans. Few doubts that the Russian language is the most powerful and richest in terms of vocabulary, conceptual apparatus, and word formation.
  26. 0
    25 October 2018 23: 55
    V. Shpakovsky ignoramus ... Before writing such a heresy I would go deeper into the topic. Etruscan inscriptions are easy to read on the basis of Slavic writing. The Russian philologist of Polish origin Thaddeus (Tadeusz) Volansky read them. I would also get acquainted with the works in this area of ​​Theodor Momsen. The Italian Champi. Using Volansky's method, I personally read one inscription .. She struck me. The inscription over the half-worn figure of a woman read: Z me was given a minerva. "By the way, Volansky was sentenced to burning for his work by the church court. Nicholas was the first to intercede .. Then they burned all his works.
  27. 0
    28 October 2018 15: 53
    1 The closest of modern languages ​​to Etruscan is Albanian ... (according to the latest information)
    2 There is a document from the ancient city of Pirgi, where the Etruscan text was duplicated in Phoenician. (location - Museum of Villa Giulia.Rome) the so-called / lamine di Pyrgi / IV in BC
    3The Romans originally really shaved their beards, most likely, the term Barbarian had a different meaning from the very beginning - wearing a beard, from barba beard. After all, the Greeks from whom the Romans learned to wear a beard, and they cannot be ranked among the barbarians, in the modern concept ... The fashion for wearing a beard by the Romans was introduced by the emperor Hadrian.

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