Spyware chips in Chinese chips. Russia, be vigilant!

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As the "BBC news", US intelligence agencies have confirmed the fact of opening a colossal tracking system based on chip inserts into chips supplied from China. Among about three dozen corporations that have come under attack are Apple and Amazon, as well as a number of companies that are contractors for the CIA and the NSA.

On the one hand, this, of course, is not bad when the two geostrategic opponents of our country converged on the hacker field (yes, China is an ally for Russia rather conditional, their maps with the image of Southern Siberia as part of the PRC, and no one canceled), however, on the other hand, this fact raises many questions in terms of ensuring cybersecurity information in our Fatherland.





Spy microchips were found embedded in the microcircuits of servers manufactured by the Chinese company Super Micro Computer. According to a group of researchers who submitted their investigation materials to the press, the activation of microchips occurred at the moment when the servers were mounted and began their planned work. Particularly unusual was the fact that Chinese foreign intelligence, apparently, could even change the parameters of the devices on which they were used through some of the installed chips.

As it has now become known, quite a long time ago, Amazon employees found (accidentally) chips of unclear purpose in chips received from China, and constructively, these chips did not carry any meaning. During testing, it turned out that, if necessary, such a microchip communicates with the controller and allows access to the computer's memory.

The conclusion of the American experts was unequivocal: the creator and customer of these devices is clearly of a spy purpose - the special services of China, since the absolute majority of the chips with these chips were imported from this country.

Thus, the American system engineers discovered traces of enormous hacker penetration into the processing centers of dozens of American companies, and it wasn’t breaking the “software”, but the hackers managed to integrate without breaking directly at the “hardware” level.

Spyware chips in Chinese chips. Russia, be vigilant!


Add that the last few decades, Western corporations have been convinced that the supply of components for the IT industry, and even entire devices from the Third World countries is quite safe, since it was believed that the creation and implementation of tracking microchips is very complicated and very expensive development. In addition, if an attempt was made to introduce such chips, they would seriously damage the reputation of the exporting country, from which chips were imported to Western countries, and the losses of the economy of this country would be much more significant than the ghost benefits from espionage. However, the reality was different ...

Officially, the Chinese corporation Super Micro stated that it did not know anything about what had happened and had never done anything like it at its enterprises. However, in her press release, there is also one rather curious phrase that allows for quite different interpretations: “None of our clients refused to use our products due to fears of Chinese hacker attacks.”

The other day, the Government Communications Center of the United Kingdom confirmed in general terms the accuracy of the findings of specialists of American corporations. After the publication in the United States of data on the investigation of the shares of the Chinese company Super Micro fell to half of its value on international trading floors; Lenovo shares slowed down to 15% of their price, and the securities of a number of Chinese suppliers of IT components fell from 10% to 30%.

Focusing on the voiced information, business analysts predict a serious drop in demand for smartphones, tablets and computers made in China.



And although Washington has not officially provided public evidence of hacker bookmarks in Chinese devices and has not made any complaints, Beijing has already quite strongly denied the allegations from US private corporations and special services.

Judging by this reaction, we should remember the old Russian proverb: there is no smoke without fire!
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  1. +12
    9 October 2018 05: 35
    Spyware chips in Chinese chips. Russia, be vigilant!
    and what we have ... we have everything "our own" .. hurray! If Chinese fu-15 chips were found in American fu-XNUMXs, then I'm afraid our situation is even worse, although they said here that they "rub" the microcircuits, removing microns in search of "bookmarks" (heresy in my opinion)
    1. +6
      9 October 2018 05: 43
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      that the microcircuits "rub", removing microns in search of "bookmarks" (heresy in my opinion)

      In my opinion the same))) Maybe I'm not so strong in spying))) but the Iranian nuclear centrifuges seem to have been destroyed not so much by bookmarks as by virus programs. Why frown on bookmarks? No wonder that in the USA they increased the number of military hackers. Now it seems like they are fighting.
      1. +5
        9 October 2018 07: 10
        Quote: Sirocco
        Maybe I'm not so strong in spying))) but the Iranian nuclear centrifuges seem to have been destroyed not so much by bookmarks as by viral programs

        and under the USSR it was for this reason that computers from cap countries in strategic enterprises were banned
        1. jjj
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          10 October 2018 12: 21
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and under the USSR it was for this reason that computers from cap countries in strategic enterprises were banned

          Under Gorbachov, when mass deliveries of computer equipment to power structures went from the United States, bookmarks at the hardware level were found in each product. We learned how to work with them
      2. +6
        9 October 2018 07: 37
        Well, if the Iranians laid out the centrifuge control circuit in the common internal network of the PC of this enrichment station, the cat, in turn, had an external output at the level of public networks - then they were completely fucked up and correctly done. But mole mole opened the network gateway at the right time and right time for a generous client ... We needed a whole chain of preliminary events, which later led to the prohibitive speed of these centrifuges and they stupidly fell apart. In my city, in the summer, a bunch of servers were fucked from the outside, on which there was a mess with Internet access. All ciphering on the most candelabra - BECAUSE NOTHING SERVERS to rummage around in public garbage drinks
        1. +1
          9 October 2018 19: 06
          Quote: viktor_ui
          Well, if the Iranians laid out the centrifuge control circuit in the common internal network of the PC of this enrichment station, the cat, in turn, had an external output at the level of public networks - then they were completely fucked up and correctly done.

          Not necessarily at all, this is too primitive an approach that Iranians most likely knew about. They might not have access to the network at all, but the computers that worked for them could respond to radio commands from both civilian aircraft, Boeing for example, or to satellite commands in the GHz band. It is possible that the Iranian network, closed from external penetration, could use communication channels into which the Americans could get into either technically or with the help of agents. All this has been known to us since the days of the Soviet Union.
          1. 0
            14 October 2018 16: 45
            It's even easier ... Social hacking: a dozen flash drives are "lost"
            Walking paths for workers. And someone will definitely stick it on a computer to see what's on the flash drive. That's the infection without any high technology!
      3. +1
        9 October 2018 08: 24
        Quote: Sirocco
        but Iran’s nuclear centrifuges seem to have been destroyed not so much by bookmarks as by viral programs. Why frown on bookmarks?

        ------------------
        Not only ... A series of explosions at Soviet export gas pipelines and oil pipelines was also caused by Western electronic equipment delivered to the USSR.
        1. +6
          9 October 2018 09: 24
          Quote: Altona
          A series of explosions at Soviet export gas pipelines and oil pipelines was also caused by Western electronic equipment,

          At that time there was no Internet in its modern sense. therefore laid in the equipment.
          Forty on the tail brought about 2008, problems with Georgia, Well, with ZhPS it is clear, but at Sp. The Nazes who took part there, and Aimpoint American collimator sights were installed on Ak, these sights one day refused to work. For the reason of that bookmark. So I'm wrong. And whatever this is repeated, you need to develop your industry, from A to Z.
    2. +1
      10 October 2018 12: 13
      Surely mine! For almost three decades that I have been working with PCs, only one computer was ours, and even then I don’t know how much, the Practitioner was called. That's all. Something like this, I don’t remember exactly the look of it, I took it either in 90, or 91. Weak was. They could develop and go forward, but the thieves decided that it was better to buy someone else's power. So it is in everything, including passenger planes.
      Now hiccups. Just why scratch turnips. This technique was overseas and non-nashenko conscientiously passed on to so many secrets to their own. And I don’t want to think. And things are still there, only occasionally yelling hear about the miracle staff and servers of the Racean (slap in the same China).
      1. 0
        10 October 2018 12: 16
        I forgot the photo of the poor fellow (not a mockery, but regret for his unenviable fate) insert
    3. 0
      10 October 2018 18: 03
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      but what we have ... we have everything "our own"

      Even China has far from everything. It’s funny to even remember the rest
  2. +13
    9 October 2018 05: 39
    however, on the other hand, this fact raises many questions in terms of ensuring information cybersecurity in our Fatherland.
    Where did she get this security? We have no security today in virtually nothing, neither in machine tools, nor in metallurgy, nor in light industry, but here we have such a field as electronics, which we have in deep Out.

    And such a mess in all industries, Take for example the Ulan Udensk Instrument-Making Plant during the years of the union 11 people worked, now 000 people, and they are reducing them (((((So our state specifically hooked on the capitalist needle, and wherever we go with it we won’t jump as though we wouldn’t like and no matter what fables feed us, we are now links in one economic chain of the world bourgeois class from the Bilderber Club, which also includes our guardians for the people))))
    1. -1
      10 October 2018 12: 17
      This organized crime group was not hooked on a needle, but is ruining the country.
  3. +17
    9 October 2018 06: 12
    Once upon a time I bought a Chinese flash drive. At the first connection, the flash drive offered to register on some site "for my safety." The Chinese are no less cynical about global domination than the Amerzians.
    1. +4
      9 October 2018 08: 26
      Quote: Balu
      Once upon a time I bought a Chinese flash drive. At the first connection, the flash drive offered to register on some site "for my safety."

      ------------------------
      My Huawei Honor also wants to send me for registration so that I can change themes on the desktop or turn on the Health program. What for him my health? You can't just count steps and calories?
      1. 0
        9 October 2018 16: 06
        Quote: Altona
        My Huawei Honor

        And mine is the same.
        But not registering does not mean that "your Chinese brother" is not following you.
        Also, in the list of standard programs, Honor has Sberbank. Is he Chinese too? recourse
        lol
    2. +3
      9 October 2018 10: 55
      Quote: Balu
      Once upon a time I bought a Chinese flash drive. At the first connection, the flash drive offered to register on some site "for my safety." The Chinese are no less cynical about global domination than the Amerzians.
      Cloud technology is the easiest way to control. Yesterday I bought a Chinese smartphone based on android with a Chinese shell program so he immediately offered to register in the Chinese cloud (the most interesting thing is that the android does not appear from under the shell, it does not offer to visit Google services).
  4. +8
    9 October 2018 06: 39
    Washington has not yet presented public evidence
    But it undermined the credibility of Chinese companies. This looks more like espionage on the part of China (although this is not excluded, since it is a sin not to take advantage of the situation), but on unfair competition in the continuation of the trade war by the United States.
  5. +6
    9 October 2018 07: 01
    there is no smoke without fire!

    Well, yes, the smoke screen of an economic war. Chips in microchips ??? It's like an egg in an egg.
    Apple claims in a statement that it never notified the FBI of anything like this and did not participate in such investigations. Amazon said that the detected vulnerability did not concern a specific chip, but software (driver), and did not appear at all at the level of hardware security.

    More details: https://www.securitylab.ru/news/495790.php
    1. 0
      10 October 2018 18: 09
      It was also amusing how the militarist operates with unfamiliar terminology. A microchip (for short, just a chip) - this is a microchip, just tracing paper with English. microchip. Similarly, a refrigerator and a refrigerator, a display and a monitor.
      1. 0
        10 October 2018 21: 09
        Quote: Navigator Basov
        0
        It was also amusing how the militarist operates with unfamiliar terminology. A microchip (for short, just a chip) - this is a microchip, just tracing paper with English. microchip.

        Well, what prevents another large mini-chip, at the level of film technology, from constructively constructing another micro-chip? And about the fact that, in addition to the microchip developers, there are practically no people who know about ALL of the possibilities embedded in them, I do not even mention it. So your hitting, in fact, showed that you too simplistically represent everything, and no more than in verbal terminology you see an error. Can you refute the idea itself?
  6. +3
    9 October 2018 07: 10
    On boards in American electronics there are "enemy" Chinese bookmarks, on the same boards but in Russia there are already, "friendly" Chinese bookmarks - you should not be afraid of them, consider them a free gift from a "big friend" .... wink lol
  7. +4
    9 October 2018 07: 11
    SuperMicro itself is of American origin, but it does not have its own production facilities and, as a result, contract manufacturing in China. But apparently, as the Chinese found out who the customer was, they fussed in time :)
  8. 0
    9 October 2018 07: 22
    In the Chinese they were soaked, make the keyboard on the low pull-out shelf closer, and move the mouse farther away to the main tabletop higher. This is terribly not convenient. But they so see sitting day after day after year. Yes, they would put a human mouse near the clave. Goremyki.
  9. +10
    9 October 2018 07: 24
    Since the days of the USSR, I have been reading this very nonsense about the bookmarks in the chips (sleeping unnecessary contours) ... which esh in those shaggy years When successfully cloning microcircuits, they were successfully identified and removed. How scary it was to live with the gaskets in the chips ... I’ll go and gobble up my too smart kettle just in case, otherwise it strives, you bastard, to brew beer instead of water ... it’s very scary. But the stocks weren’t sickly collapsed, oh, not sickly ... for the Chineses managed to bungle a whole neural network from these sleeping gaskets. fellow
  10. +15
    9 October 2018 07: 25
    Before writing, the author would at least decide on the terminology. A microcircuit and a chip are one and the same! Such a plastic or ceramic little thing with leads, which is soldered to the board. We just call them chips, and in the west - chips. A microprocessor is also: in our microcircuit, and in theirs - a chip. So to say that the chip is built into the chip is a complete oxymoron! In the article, the author himself cites the words that Amazon employees found (by accident) chips of an incomprehensible purpose. Are they sawing microcircuits (chips)? So discovered visually! That is, it is more correct to say that chips (microcircuits) of unknown purpose were found on the boards, controllers (or motherboards). You can, of course, embed an additional (undocumented) function (logic) into a chip (microcircuit), but still it will be a single circuit made in a single tech. process, not a chip in a chip.
  11. +4
    9 October 2018 07: 31
    Amazon employees found (by accident) chips of an incomprehensible purpose in microchips received from China, and structurally these chips did not carry any meaning

    Chips in microchips... What did the author smoke? belay

    The article is intended for a grandmother on a dump, who does not know how such microcircuits are tested (and not after "accidental detection of chip-off", but much earlier).

    By the way, if there really are "chips" - the manufacturer can safely declare bankruptcy, it will no longer have orders ...

    Delirium, in short, some request
    1. +3
      9 October 2018 08: 14
      Quote: Golovan Jack


      By the way, if there really are "chips" - the manufacturer can safely declare bankruptcy, it will no longer have orders ...

      Delirium, in short, some request

      Maybe nonsense, maybe a trade war or maybe something else. The truth is that we live in a digital world and if one country has the opportunity at the right time through electronics that today controls everything to intervene, for example, in the supply of gas and electricity at the very height of winter or in the regulation of traffic lights it will be an armageddon in any big city. Not to mention nuclear plants.
      1. -1
        9 October 2018 09: 55
        Quote: Semurg
        ... if one country has the opportunity at the right time through electronics that today controls everything to intervene, for example, in the supply of gas and electricity at the very height of winter or in the regulation of traffic lights it will be armageddon ...

        Actually, getting involved is not at all as easy as it seems at first glance. To (practically) rule out interference, simply cut off critical sites from the Internet Yes

        Quote: Semurg
        Maybe nonsense, maybe a trade war or maybe something else

        The one who wrote about "chips in microcircuits" is definitely nonsense. Moreover, in the original it was, as already mentioned here, about a vulnerability in the drivers:

        Quote: thinker
        Apple claims in a statement that it never notified the FBI of anything like this and did not participate in such investigations. Amazon said that the detected vulnerability did not concern a specific chip, but software (driver), and did not appear at all at the level of hardware security

        In general, I repeat - all this garbage. Goose request
    2. 0
      9 October 2018 08: 15
      This is a trade war, if even here the commentators bought this stuffing, then the western citizen will undoubtedly believe in it. hi
  12. 0
    9 October 2018 08: 11
    Well, if Russia violins the violinists with BOVs, then naturally the Chinese chips are engaged in espionage, because the technical documentation on them is produced by the same Western companies that are now accusing them! fool
  13. 0
    9 October 2018 08: 24
    No matter how hard and painful it was. But it is high time for state institutions to translate into "domestic".
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 10: 07
      Which there is no and will not be a priory in the near future ..
  14. +3
    9 October 2018 08: 26
    We are not just boasting about anything, sadness without ceasing ..... and for a long time, with such a nationally oriented business. Although you can’t make any claims to business, the fish ROTTED from the very top!
    1. -3
      9 October 2018 10: 18
      And you, I look for any reason about time to scream fish.
      It never occurred to us that the US hysteria is a bit like Russian interference in the election?
      Neither there nor there - no evidence. But a great way to reduce the reputation and income of anyone.
      1. +6
        9 October 2018 10: 44
        I got a headache striped pof.
        My sales do not have a head, my soul hurts when I look at the "giblets" of any electronic equipment NOW and at US!
        I just compare with what it was when I studied, and then exploited / repaired the SOVIET equipment ..... very different!
        I’m not saying anything special against international cooperation, it IS, but losing an entire industry and not restoring it fully is a crime and it is committed at the very top!
  15. 0
    9 October 2018 09: 18
    So that’s a possible thing. They say it is even implemented in modern consoles (incapacitates when trying to bypass the protection).
  16. 0
    9 October 2018 09: 33
    This is a long-standing story, and it began with similar accusations against American iron producers.
    And the conclusion is simple to the point of amazement - in power and government structures there is nothing to do at all for foreign electronics, and even more so having access to the network. Basically! The same Medvedev’s iPhone is a direct threat to the country's security, an official of this level, in principle, does not conduct PRIVATE conversations, even information about where he will go for breakfast with anyone is a matter of national security - there the DRG of a possible adversary may well be waiting for him, and this info is unknown to anyone through iPhone
  17. +1
    9 October 2018 09: 48
    This topic has been raised in Russia since the late 90s. In the early 2000s, Taiwan's personal machines were sent for inspection. Out of the entire batch, two system specialists did not pass the test. Cyber ​​espionage is very profitable. The problem is that many operational workers and administrative personnel are simply not trained in the rules of safe use of a PC, and if they are, they systematically violate them. And the directorate would shoot through one! They are at the enterprise: "DANGER NUMBER ZERO!" Then they wonder where the information comes from and who is to blame. And not with your ear, not with your snout .. smile
  18. -1
    9 October 2018 09: 53
    Is it strange that our powerful liberals do not understand this, or .... do they still understand, and the thing smells like just stupid betrayal? Then to hell with us such a security system.
    1. -2
      9 October 2018 10: 16
      Why do you need it at all? Country why? It does not belong to you.
      1. 0
        9 October 2018 10: 20
        It’s you who soared too much. Since we live, then our ancestors knew how to survive in the most difficult conditions. And whose family was interrupted, those have no descendants, everything is very simple.
  19. -1
    9 October 2018 10: 14
    For example, we don’t believe that Putin poisoned the Skripals? And we are doing it right, since this invention is part of an ideological war.
    Why should we believe about certain chips in the conditions of an almost declared economic war for China?
    This is reported to us by the same liars, for the same purpose, and by the same methods as against Russia.
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 11: 17
      After being burned in milk, they blow into the water. We have ambiguous relations with the Chinese, even in the 60s they were treated at Damansky, so the principle is to trust, but check, no one canceled, especially in the current conditions.
  20. 0
    9 October 2018 10: 53
    Well done Chinese, it’s stupid not to use your opportunities. For us, they are situational fellow travelers, but no friends, conclusions are appropriate.
  21. +2
    9 October 2018 13: 45
    The problem is that it is impossible to raise domestic electronics without civilian and domestic sectors. And the system units at the price of a car, and the server at the price of a space ship, you don’t really care about.
  22. 0
    10 October 2018 08: 22
    Nothing new. Intelligence agencies around the world keep an eye on each other, regardless of whether or not allies. And in the light of the events of the last quarter of a century, when betrayal among allied countries has been put on stream, this is all the more necessary. It is important to know the interests of the other side. No way without it.
  23. 0
    10 October 2018 13: 48
    And if you delve into the consciousness and subconscious of non-recent individuals, it will become completely sad.
  24. 0
    10 October 2018 14: 54
    About 5 years ago, if not more, there was already an article on this topic in Habré. An article about incomprehensible chips on motherboards and possible ways to transfer data.
    That is, this problem is, as it were, quite old and known to specialists.
  25. 0
    10 October 2018 19: 58
    Their people-numbered. And it remains for us to be content with what we have, because Russia will not be allowed to produce their own personal computers. Once again, "thank you" for perestroika and the leaders of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union who carried it out, and their current pupils. The next stage is the loss of interest in such news in our country, so there will be no one to use such news.
    1. 0
      10 October 2018 21: 15
      Quote: 1536
      And it remains for us to be content with what we have, because Russia will not be allowed to produce their own personal computers.

      It is not a matter of resolution, but of expediency. As shown by the calculations made in the two thousandth, to organize the production of our staffs above the world level and everything connected with them, we need from 25 to 50 billion dollars of investments, which is quite possible for our country now. Except for our market, nothing shines for us - we simply won’t be allowed into the other markets by computer giants, even if we produce a unique product. And we will remain with enormous costs that our market will not pay off.
      1. -1
        10 October 2018 21: 22
        We are hopelessly behind. The world spends on IT more than our budget 1000 times. The only way out is either as China through investment or to integrate and grab your piece.
        1. +1
          11 October 2018 09: 49
          Quote: Imobile
          We are hopelessly behind. The world spends on IT more than our budget 1000 times.

          This is not so at all - it all depends on the level of development, and not on the number of massively cloned gadgets and other products. And in what, in what, and in programming, we certainly did not lag behind - I think so, judging by the olympiads of schoolchildren.
          1. 0
            11 October 2018 10: 28
            It’s one thing to write a couple of lines. Other write your OS. How many years did Microsoft write Windows, multiply by the number of people? Yes, if all of our 150 million people are thrown to the development of the OS, then it will take several years. And it won’t work out, we don’t know how to organize interaction in teams, we have management at 0. For this we need competition, when inept enterprises can die and efficient ones survive 30 years. And what we don’t survive, support at the expense of effective ones
            1. 0
              11 October 2018 11: 49
              Quote: Imobile
              It’s one thing to write a couple of lines. Other write your OS.

              But does it not surprise you that in Soviet times everything was written and manufactured for military equipment with us?
              1. 0
                11 October 2018 13: 18
                You are not familiar with military equipment. It was not digital with us, and therefore nothing was written for it.
                1. 0
                  11 October 2018 14: 30
                  Quote: Imobile
                  You are not familiar with military equipment. It was not digital with us, and therefore nothing was written for it.

                  This is a lie - you simply do not know all Soviet military equipment. And digital technology was dofiga, starting with the EU machines and to domestic personnel. And I didn’t hear about the fact that there was a military Internet, primitive in comparison with the current one, but I know that it provided data exchange between machines.
                  1. 0
                    11 October 2018 15: 05
                    The EU 1841 and the EU-1843 were not military vehicles - this is an attempt to reproduce IBM based on 86 processors. I was at home in 1841, an extremely buggy computer. And the fact that you exchanged between these machines is not military equipment. I also dabbled at home. By the way, you can safely say that I was the first to invent the I2 protocol, not a motorola. True, Motorola makes money on this, but I still have a craft, though it’s working.
                    1. 0
                      11 October 2018 15: 22
                      Quote: Imobile
                      And the fact that you exchanged between these machines is not military equipment.

                      It's complete nonsense - you don't even know what, for example, the product "Yolka" is, but you are already undertaking to judge what happened then. And they did not indulge in this at home, but not in a well-protected area.
                      1. 0
                        11 October 2018 15: 38
                        I know the products that were in our parts. The maximum in the missiles were aircraft microcircuits, this is primitive logic. Large chip sets of 20 - 100 pieces per block. Let's say there are millions in a primitive processor. I don’t need to talk about military equipment. I even remade the radar on silsine to the controller. Replaced a huge control box the size of a truck with a small PIC controller. And I used only a few percent of the capabilities of this ancient PIC8 controller. And yet this cabinet was extremely susceptible to interference, and it barely worked without electronic warfare. The smallest electronic warfare extinguished completely, because the analogue. If I used digital without protection, I just interrogated again in case of an error, then in the analogue there is a direct connection. The military is only switching to digital, they are starting to use processors 20 years ago. And the fact that they dabbled in, and in the research institute dabbled in for nothing. To indulge and grunt in a certain direction, as maykosoft - these are two different things.
                      2. 0
                        11 October 2018 17: 04
                        Quote: Imobile
                        I know the products that were in our parts. The maximum in the missiles were aircraft microcircuits, this is primitive logic.

                        Your self-confident dilentanism in this matter is simply amazing - in addition to missiles, we also had huge amounts of digital information that had to not only be transmitted, but also closed so that information would not be revealed. The simplest question for you, as a "connoisseur" - you know how punch cards were transferred? What type of information was on them?
                      3. 0
                        11 October 2018 20: 22
                        Do you know how much information is stored on a punch card? Few words. Most likely the keys. But it doesn’t matter, in some part there were experimental facilities, but these are just toys. We didn’t even have data lines. Remember the incident when the plane landed on Red Square, it immediately became clear that we didn’t even have radar in the strategic direction, and there was no line to Latvia. Immediately set up towers for the line, which the locals were glad about, television appeared in villages and cities, but did not have time, the USSR fell apart. Everything was done with one person, and if one person can do it, even with inhuman efforts, then we will do it. Remember the Queen, while he controlled every screw - everything flew. He himself talked about it, it was worth missing out and not monitoring, so there was an accident. But where self-sacrifice from the whole team is needed - so nothing works out for us.
                      4. 0
                        12 October 2018 10: 17
                        Quote: Imobile
                        0
                        Do you know how much information is stored on a punch card? Few words. Most likely the keys. But it doesn’t matter, in some part there were experimental facilities, but these are just toys.

                        Stop lying and mislead people - the volumes of information were really small, but the principle of digital processing of information and its transmission for different users existed in the seventies. As for the aircraft not on Red Square, border guards were the first to spot it, so the point was not radar, but the reluctance to take responsibility for the downing of this clown, and no more.
                      5. 0
                        12 October 2018 14: 28
                        I know more than you about this incident.
  26. 0
    13 October 2018 20: 21
    The topic is really very relevant, especially since China’s capabilities in this area have been clearly underestimated throughout the world, and maybe even this scandal will force Russia to begin to fulfill its duties more diligently.