Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 9. "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!"

In the mythology of Ukraine, along with the myths about the "great past", there are legends aimed at distorting the truth about the shameful pages of the formation of the ukronacist ideology. A vivid example of this is the desire to hide and whitewash the Nazi essence of the slogan "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!"

The path of this slogan is rather winding, from the greeting of a handful of OUN nationalists to the approval by the Parliament of Ukraine as an official greeting in the Ukrainian army. Poroshenko on this occasion, said: "Our glorious ancestors could only dream about it! Sacred words for every Ukrainian „Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! "From now on - the official greeting of the Armed Forces of Ukraine".

Let's see how the ancestors of modern Ukrainians dreamed about it and how these words are “sacred” for them. After the scandalous decision of the parliament, the apologists of the Ukrainians began to argue fiercely that this slogan had nothing to do with the Nazi greeting and it took deep roots in the Ukrainian stories.

A typical example of such a falsification: "Glory to Ukraine" - this is completely different. Specifically, this slogan appeared much earlier, so its history should be considered separately. It is impossible to categorically call it nationalist. ”

Poroshenko’s statement about ancestors dreaming of this was clearly stupid, the maximum that the myth-makers could find was the mention of a similar slogan during the UNR. They remembered some "black Zaporozhtsy", on the black flag of which was a skull and the slogan "Ukraine or death." They fought on the side of the UPR and seemed to use the first half of the slogan in a greeting, "Glory to Ukraine - Cossacks glory." Then this slogan one of the “Cossacks” proposed to use the League of Ukrainian Nationalists, created in 1925, as a greeting, replacing the word “Cossacks” with “heroes”.

The most persistent Ukrainizers found a similar slogan among the Kuban Cossacks: “Glory to the heroes, glory of the Kuban”. Of course, such references on various occasions and in different regions will not be a problem, but this has nothing to do with the Nazi slogan, which its authors recorded in their documents.

The authorship of the slogan is attempted to be attributed to the already-mentioned “League of Ukrainian Nationalists”, created at a congress in Prague by combining three organizations: the “Ukrainian National Association”, the “Union of Ukrainian Fascists” and the “Union for the Liberation of Ukraine”. On the basis of the “League of Ukrainian Nationalists” in the 1929, the OUN was created by joining several other nationalist organizations to it.

The slogan now being promoted in different interpretations was precisely the greeting of the Union of Ukrainian Fascists, one of the founders of the OUN. So, the attempt to get away from the Nazi and fascist roots of this slogan is refuted by the myth-makers themselves, who are trying to prove the appearance of the slogan before the creation of the OUN, but at the same time they are silent about the fact that the Fascist organization stood with such a greeting.

It should be noted that slogans like “glory to the heroes” and “glory of the nation” came into use in the 30-ies in the heyday of the Nazi and fascist ideologies in Europe. Naturally, Ukrainian nationalists adopted this, and the nationalist ideology gradually transformed into Nazi and fascist. These slogans were first used among nationalists as a password for their own people and were later legalized in their program documents at the end of the 30s after establishing close ties with Nazi Germany.

In August 1939, the second congress of the OUN in fascist Rome approved this greeting, and the second congress of the already divided OUN led by Bandera in April 1941 of the occupied Krakow introduced a compulsory greeting to all members of the OUN: "The greeting in the organization is made in the form of raising the rectified right hand at an angle to the right just above the head. Actual words of a full greeting: "Glory to Ukraine", the answer is "Heroes of Glory." Greetings may be abbreviated: "Glory" - "Glory".

The greeting was not only words, but had to be combined with a gesture called “Roman salute”, which since 30's in the world has been firmly and unequivocally associated with fascism and Nazism. The whole “combination” of these words and gestures is the well-known German National Socialist greeting “Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil! ”(“ Glory to Hitler! Glory to victory! ”).

As is known, such greetings existed in the Nazi NSDAP, among the Croatian Ustashes and supporters of the Italian National Fascist Party. Well, the slogan “Sieg Heil!” (“Sieg Heil!” - “Long live the victory!” Or “Victory glory!”) Was coined by the partigensense Rudolf Hess at one of the NSDAP congresses in Nuremberg.

As for the slogan “Glory to Ukraine! Heroes of Glory! ”, There is no historical or cultural tradition behind this expression, it’s just a tracing paper from Hitler’s greeting. Philologists emphasize that, in addition to the same syntactic construction, these phrases are formed according to the same accentological principle, that is, stress in the same places.

The structure “greeting - recall” also completely copies the Nazi counterpart. All this only confirms the origin of the ukronakist slogan from Hitler and its distribution among Galician nationalists, since their organizations were created in the territory of the countries in which the fascist regimes patronized their ideological associates were in power.

Before the war, the OUN was led by Bandera and Shukhevych, who were convicted in Poland for political assassinations and transferred to the service in Hitler's Wehrmacht. Under the leadership of the Abwehr, in March 1941 of the year, they form the Nachtigall and Roland battalions as part of the SS troops for the sabotage work against the Soviet Union as part of the SS troops.

The commander of the Nachtigall battalion is appointed obtrule lieutenant Gertsner, and his future “hero of Ukraine” Shukhevych, who was trained at the military academy in Munich and received the title of Hauptsturmführer (captain) SS, is appointed his deputy. Under their leadership of 18 June 1941, they swear an oath to the Fuhrer, and their greeting naturally becomes the newly approved OUN Nazi slogan “Glory to Ukraine! Heroes of glory! ”With a show of hands.

At this time, Bandera put forward the slogan "Our power must be terrible," and the OUN beast fully proved it. There are a lot of historical documents confirming the atrocities of the OUN and then the UPA in the occupied territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Poland, where they were used up with civilians under these slogans. Especially distinguished themselves, bursting with Hitler's troops 30 June in Lviv and brutally destroying several thousand civilians, while declaring the "Ukrainian state", which will be with New Germany to establish a new order.

During the war years, this Nazi slogan was used by almost all OUN and UPA units that fought as part of the Nazi troops or as punitive under their leadership. They did not forget him after their defeat.

With the defeat of the Hitlerites, the tradition of the Bandera greetings was preserved only in the gangs in Western Ukraine, who emigrated the remnants of the underground and the Galician diaspora, densely settled in Canada and the United States. In Galicia itself, they were silent until the 1991 year, these slogans were hardly heard there. Sensing impunity for the propaganda of Nazism, they began to revive the slogan, but he did not spread further Galicia ...

Prior to 2004, this slogan could be heard in Kiev and other regions only from periodically imported Galician inadequate radicals on Bandera's Day and UPA Day. With the arrival of Yushchenko, this slogan began to spread to the central and south-eastern regions, but the vast majority of the population of Ukraine was indifferent to it. For many, he caused a feeling of irritation and rejection.

Everything changed after the coup 2014 of the year, already on the square, they began to massively drive this slogan into the heads of the imported radicals and promote it in all media. Special attention was paid to youth and military personnel who did not delve into the subtleties of its origin and gradually began to be considered a symbol of loyalty to modern Ukraine.

I somehow had to talk on this issue with one quite adequate high-ranking Ukrainian military. Surprisingly, he did not know the history of his origin and eventually agreed that perhaps this was so. Nevertheless, despite the Nazi roots of the slogan, he remained a staunch supporter of his use in the Ukrainian army and did not see anything wrong with that.

Ukronazism propagandists unsuccessfully seek to separate it from Hitler’s Nazism, to clear them of their crimes, and to this end convince everyone that the modern slogan is nothing more than a patriotic motto that has no historical connection to the Nazi slogan.

Propaganda is doing its job, and this point of view, unfortunately, is becoming more and more popular in Ukraine. Thousands of deceived citizens do not even suspect that in this way Nazi symbols are imposed on them and they voluntarily or involuntarily become supporters of Nazism in Ukraine.

Comments

[Olgovich]

All this only confirms the origin of the ukronazi slogan from Hitler’s

This is obvious to anyone who has ever heard the Nazi "Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil!"

It is strange that Ukrainian "historians" did not unearth this "sacred" phrase from "Volodymyr Monomakh" or Anna "Ukrainian"

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Yuri Apukhtin

Especially distinguished themselves by breaking into the Nazi troops June 30 to Lviv and brutally destroying several thousand civilians

Just wondering. June 30, 1941 is the day of the massacre of Jews by Bandera. What is so special about this massacre? Is it:
- "Volyn" massacre of the Poles,
- the massacre of Russian clergymen fleeing the hamlets,
- the massacre of gypsies and the sick,
- Rusyn massacre for not being Ukrainians,
- massacre of Ukrainians for the slightest suspicion,
- etc. "TO THE PEOPLE! - Know! Moscow, Poland, Madyari, Zhidova are your enemies. Poor ikh!"
not special?

Koshnitsawhy are you here on VO regularly lying? Example:

Quote: Koshnitsa

Brezhnev talked about MORE than 20 million
With weapons in their hands, 20 million were killed. Under Brezhnev, this was openly written in the military encyclopedia.

We look. Soviet military encyclopedia in 8 vols, 1980, vol. 3, p. 333. In the article "Victims of War" it is directly written that it is about general losses: not only about combat losses, but also about victims of enemy terror and about indirect losses.

One more thing is funny in your texts. You make typos that will never be made by a person for whom the Russian language is native, but which are characteristic of a native speaker. Hence the question: in which information service do you serve?

[Koshnitsa]

This is your Nicolas, phantom pains, everywhere you smell info-smoking.
So this is not the quote and the wrong volume.
in the 1st volume of the Soviet Military Encyclopedia (article “Combat Losses”) it says: “So, if in the 1st World War about 10 million people were killed and died of wounds, then in the 2nd World War only losses were killed on the fronts amounted to 27 million people. " These are army losses, since the total number of deaths in World War II in the same edition is estimated at 50 million people.

If we take away from these 27.000.000 losses of the Armed forces of all participants in World War II, except for the USSR, then the remainder will be about 16-17 million. It is these figures that are the number of dead military personnel recognized in the USSR (at the front and in captivity). To count “everyone except the USSR”, then it was possible according to the book of Boris Urlanis “Wars and Population of Europe”, which was first published in the Union in 1960. Now it is easy to find on the Internet under the name "History of military losses."

[Nicholas C.]

Koshnitsawhen will you run on?
The articles in the Military Encyclopedia do not contradict each other. Why would you? In the article "Combat losses" NOT it is written that only the USSR suffered these losses. From the context it can be understood that We are talking about the total losses of the warring states in Europe. In the article "Victims of War" it is written explicitly:

Even after reading this article (the link was given in my previous message), you continue to lie! Why?
With us, the Russians, the person who lied is considered to have lost face. They won't shake hands with him, and the Russian people will definitely not respect him. In Jesuit education, casuistry, demagoguery, and probabilism are taught as science. And who is not taught, the environment brings up. I know that there are many people in Ukraine who believe that the one who is "clever" is smarter.

[Koshnitsa]

Quote: Nikolai S.

The article "Combat losses" does NOT say that only the USSR suffered these losses.

M-d? And who else would have carried them? Fiji? Or maybe Uruguay?
The losses of all countries were already known, there are about 10 million killed and died from wounds, 16-17 million remain, we add the missing and we get the desired number of 20 million or more. These are the losses of the USSR military. Those who did not come home from the war and the remains of which search engines still raise.
Let's not be hysterical. Without wringing hands and blaming.
You cannot prove your numbers, I can.
Therefore, either look for arguments, sensible and masculine, or reconcile.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

You cannot prove your numbers, I can.
Therefore, or look for argumentssensible and Men or humble yourself.

Judging by your arguments to men, you definitely do not belong in the sense of honor and dignity. The numbers I gave are not mine, but the 1980 military encyclopedia. You first lied, claiming that the numbers are taken from this encyclopedia, and when I pointed out that Your words are direct, easily verifiable lies, You mentioned Urlanis. Why should a Kiev resident Boris Tsezarevich Urlanis in 1960 be the ultimate truth? But I checked. Read by Urlanis B.Ts. "Wars and European Population" - mexalib.com/view/32040 Not surprisingly, it turned out that You're lying again.
By the way, the 1980 encyclopedia states that the losses of over 20 million people are direct and indirect those. unborn due to war. The West only calculates direct losses. There was already an article at VO g.s. Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences V.N. Zemskov, in which these losses are the main subject of scientific interest. In this article, the author gives a history of the issue, arguments are given that in 20 million. direct losses amount to 16 million, and indirect - 4 million. The figure of 27 million is argued as Gorbachev's [Yakovlev's] lie. But ukrokhutspyashnym infoviskam Gorbachev's lies are not enough. "About the scale of human losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War"- https://topwar.ru/91488-o-masshtabah-lyudskih-poter-cccr-v-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyne.html

[Koshnitsa]

So where are the arguments, youth?
I do not see them.
most of those who went to war did not return from the war.
This is a medical fact.
There is no use arguing.
We open any Book of Memory and study.
And the fact that the authorities weren’t something to bury them, but they didn’t want to mention either, well this is the attitude towards people in the USSR.
And as you do not lie and do not dodge, hide this loss does not work.
These people did not return home.
And Zemskov’s opinion is Zemskov’s personal opinion.
No people, they did not come home from the front.
“So, if in the 1st World War about 10 million people were killed and died from wounds, then in the 2nd World War only 27 million people were killed by the front.” It is clearly said 27 million died at the front, of all peoples combined more than 10 million, the remaining Soviet soldiers and commanders. Add missing, and that's 20 million who did not come from the front.
Prove another will look.
in the meantime, see tantrums

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

It is clearly said here that 27 million died at the front, all the peoples combined more than 10 million, the rest are Soviet fighters and commanders. Add missing, and that's 20 million who did not come from the front.

You are a liar. It is not surprising that you no longer provide links to your Bandera lies (more precisely: mentioning something). I will not ask "who stood on whom". Breshete just like that, picking out senseless and incoherent fictions from Bandera.
By the way, the war with Japan and even the famine of 16 are in 4 million direct losses and 1947 million indirect ones.

PS. About memory books. Once at a hearing in the Duma, it was stated that according to declassified data from the Ministry of Defense, the loss of the Soviet Union in World War II was 42 million (this is without the wounded). To the question: where did the MO get civilian population data - in the text of the report posted on the website, the Ministry of Defense was replaced by the State Planning Commission. There were no references to what kind of declassified data the Gosplan had and where to look at them. The fact is that at that time we had all the men who at least theoretically could be called up, there were 48 million. But someone was sitting, someone was guarding, someone was working or serving in the rear, again, other borders had to be defended etc. Many of the draft contingent lost together with the territories in the first months of the war and many were already called up by the enemies or stole to work in Germany. Someone was just boasting on a farm or in a village. The named figure can not be explained in any way, and even the wounded, crippled and nowhere to stick. Knowledgeable people suggested that the speaker came up with such a tricky way just to get funding for memory books.
Books of memory alone are a good thing. When more or less filled and removed numerous dubs and repeated repetitions will be very good thing.

[Koshnitsa]

I honestly don’t know about 42 million, it could be with the unborn, or as they believed.
In general, I am not interested in the loss of civilian population; we are talking about the losses of the Armed Forces.
Out of 35 million conscripted into the army and other structures, the medal "For Victory over Germany" was received by a little over 15 million, and 20 million of those who died, naturally did not receive it.
It is simply impossible to refute such a discrepancy. EVERYONE who served in the power structures THREE months, civilians respectively SIX months was awarded the medal.
But 20 million did not receive it, because by the time of issue, they simply died.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

Out of 35 million conscripted into the army and other structures, the medal "For Victory over Germany" received over 15 million

And here you lie. 34.5 million - this together with the called in industry.

Whatever the status of the medal "For Victory over Germany" was, it was issued if the person received documents. For convicts who were in captivity and with other incriminating circumstances, I think, the documents for awarding were not submitted. You can't write about that in a statute. That's why 15 million in total. Your example with medals is a typical primitive Jesuit casuistry.

PS. I typed the name of my father in the book Memory of the People - https://pamyat-naroda.ru/. Got lot records about him. It turns out that by ear (as I understand it, documents were often written from the hearing, but were not in the office), my name can be misinterpreted in many ways, his rare name in three, and even his middle name should be written as Nesterovich and Nestorovich. Yeah. How to fix it. But Bandera will say that this is not one person, but many different.

[Koshnitsa]

Whatever the status of the medal "For Victory over Germany" was, it was issued if the person received documents. For convicts who were in captivity and with other compromising circumstances, I think, no documents were submitted for rewarding // Except traitors to the Motherland. Upon conviction for criminal offenses, the award was not canceled.
All the prisoners were awarded, then they all went and received, if not a medal, then a certificate.
And on the basis of this award were issued all the anniversary.
And those who were mobilized into industry were awarded this medal. Passed through the military enlistment office, after three months of service in the rear, on the tower, in the air defense - get it, and after six months of civilian employment also get it.
And another 120 thousand Bulgarians and many foreigners received it.
And about 20 million did not receive it, this is without the dead militias and partisans.
So consider.
I got a lot of records about him // General level of organization in the country. Why is it surprising that such losses, if they can’t write a surname without an error.

[Koshnitsa]

And in your layout, error on error.
Those who were in the service of the NKVD and other departments before the war were not taken into account there.
It turns out 35,3 million people.
Well, there are no militias with partisans.

[Koshnitsa]

Even Tonka the machine gunner received this medal.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

And in your layout, error on error. Those who were in the service of the NKVD and other departments before the war were not taken into account there. It turns out 35,3 million people.
Well, there are no militias with partisans.

Lying again. This table is not mine, but Doctor of Historical Sciences, prof. Kurukova. I give the data of scientists who are specifically engaged in this topic, as the main one. And you have an unfounded gag - Bullshit. In the column called up and mobilized, the figure is given for all departments and industry. Apparently, there is no NKVD in the column of the dead. The NKVD lost 170 thousand people. But from the military losses you need to subtract 1 returning from captivity.
And do not lie about the partisans. If my father, who had gone to the partisans in incomplete 16, died or died my maternal grandfather, an underground worker, then, yes, they would be counted as civilians. But in our forest, there were a huge number of guerrilla soldiers, whom the warrior Eremenko left surrounded. They who died naturally go through military losses.

Quote: Rich

"Polyushko Pole" was sung by the nanny of Pyotr Grineva in Pushkin's novel "The Captain's Daughter", at that time there were no Kuban residents. All the same, perhaps this greeting was originally a common clerk.

What just do not know. From school time, I believed that from five to 12 years old Grinev brought up the aspirational Savelich, and after up to 16 incl. Canalia French It’s even interesting in what place in the story is the nanny and this song present? I would also like to get a link to the text of this song of the XVII century.

[Koshnitsa]

Quote: Nikolai S.

In the column called up and mobilized, the figure is given for all departments and industry.

So they were awarded this medal.
Take Viktor Aborenkov, a talented design engineer, was not at the front, he was awarded a medal.
Partisans who were not called up to the Red Army were also awarded this medal.
Those who served in the rear were also awarded.
They also awarded prisoners.
So, if out of 35 million called up, 15 received a medal, then 20 million lay down their heads.

[Koshnitsa]

Give me biographies of people who were called up and were not awarded this medal?
Aleksey Nikolaevich Adamovich was a hydraulic engineer, neither in the army, nor in the militia, nor in the partisans, but was awarded a medal.
Agkatsev Vladimir Mikhailovich (April 25, 1911 - April 26, 2000) - Soviet state and party leader, first secretary of the North Ossetian regional committee of the CPSU. -the same thing. He was awarded the medal.
And so on.
If my father, who had gone to the partisans in incomplete 16, died or died my maternal grandfather - an underground, then they, yes, would be counted as civilians // Well, they were awarded a medal.

[Koshnitsa]

all military personnel and civilian personnel who took direct part in the ranks of the Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops on the fronts of World War II or ensured victory with their work in military districts;
all military personnel and civilian personnel who served during the Great Patriotic War in the ranks of the active Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops, but who left them due to injury, illness and injury, as well as transferred by decision of state and party organizations to other work outside the army.
Read in bold.
We repent and apologize.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

So, if out of 35 million called up, 15 received a medal, then 20 million lay down their heads.
Give me biographies of people who were called up and were not awarded this medal?

Looking for a way to lie again? If out of 34.5 million drafted into the army, navy, other services and mobilized into industry (taking into account those who were in the service at the beginning of the war) only 15 million received medals, this does not mean that the rest died. Although you really want this. We look at the table of Korukov: in the army and navy at the end of the war - 12.8 million + other departments - so they were given (except for those with compromising characteristics). Who else should have been looking for? Military enlistment offices? I think that only those who went to seek them out and had supporting documents received these medals through the military registration and enlistment offices. After the war, the military registration and enlistment offices massively handed over to invalids "For Courage" or "Zvezda" - invalids needed them more - they were entitled to payments and benefits until Stalin canceled them in 1948.
There are plenty of examples on the forums, they are easy to find, incl. when the parents and grandfathers of people had military awards, orders in the army, in the NKVD, but did not receive "For Victory". You cannot draw a conclusion about the mass character of the phenomenon only from individual cases. It is only Bandera's Jesuit liars who cite a separate example, and then they lie, which was also the case in 20 million other cases.

[Koshnitsa]

Quote: Nikolay S.

We look at the Korukov table:

Throw it away, there is an error on the error.
35,3 million people were called up; those who served at the beginning of the war in the NKVD were not indicated there, and there were several hundred thousand of them with border guards.

Quote: Nikolay S.

Who should have been looking for the rest? Military enlistment offices?

The whole country was registered with the military, they won’t take you to work without a mark on the military card and they won’t accept you into the house of invalids.
With all the consequences, including the awarding of the medal "For Victory".
An example of a father’s uncle returned from captivity, after verification they issued documents and this medal.

Quote: Nikolay S.

and had supporting documents

And they all had documents, well, except for traitors and deserters there. So it’s a penny.

Quote: Nikolay S.

when the parents and grandfathers of people had military awards, orders in the army, in the NKVD, and did not receive "For Victory"

Give at least one example. Real. Be a man.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Koshnitsa

Give me one example. Real.Be a man.

I didn’t pass pigs with you so that you would poke me. In addition, you are a person without honor and dignity, i.e. NOT man, because all your claims that your words are allegedly confirmed by the military encyclopedia or Urlanis turned out to be a lie. But you still persist in your lies.
An example of those who did not receive "For Victory over Germany" (clickable picture, taken from here http://forum.vgd.ru/38/4980/0.htm):

[Koshnitsa]

The absence of a copy of the award NOW is not equal to the absence AWARDS - the reward over the years could be lost, be stolen, etc. I would not trust you to graze pigs - this is a level unattainable for some.

There are 109 articles in the category of disabled people in Russian Wikipedia. Of these, 12 people are disabled. Of these, only two did not succeed in detecting the fact that the ZPNG was awarded - at the dissident Zotov-Becker and the miner Kalganov (which does not mean the absence of the award, I dug shallowly). Burov, two other Ivanovs, Leonov, Maresyev, Savenko are described as medal holders. The availability of three medals at Getzold is reported by a brochure on athletes-veterans of the Second World War from his university. The film of the first channel about Saprykina shows her block, where there is the desired medal. In photographs of Ivanov and Nektov this medal is also there.
In addition, the fate of his grandfather after leaving by wound is unknown, he may have served the Germans, was convicted.

[Nagaibak]

Nikolay S. "Hence the question: in which informal regiment do you serve?"
There are all sorts of things.))) There are definitely Poles for Russian channels.)))

[Kot_Kuzya]

Why didn't you mention another slogan of modern Ukrainians in the article? I mean their slogan "Ukraine over mustache!", Which is also a copy of the Nazi "Deutschland Huber Alles!", Translated as "Germany above all!"

[BAI]

1.

Then this slogan was proposed by one of the “Cossacks” as a greeting to the “League of Ukrainian Nationalists” created in 1925, replacing the word “Cossacks” with “heroes”.

Based on this - the greeting appeared earlier than the Nazi and has no Nazi roots. Just adapted later for Nazi needs.
2.

Nevertheless, despite the Nazi roots of the slogan, he remained a staunch supporter of its use in the Ukrainian army and did not see anything shameful in this.

At the expense of the roots have already figured out. The Olympic torch relay is Goebels' idea approved by Hitler. And nothing, lives and thrives, no one recalls the Nazi origin. Even in Olympic Moscow.
I'm not talking about the German tradition of calling tanks cat names.

[alebor]

Remembered from Paustovsky's autobiographical book "The Beginning of an Unknown Age".
- "Shouting out loud" glory! "Is incomparably more difficult than" hurray! "
scream, and you won’t get powerful peals. From a distance it will always seem that
shout not "glory", but "ava", "ava", "ava"! In general, this word turned out
uncomfortable for parades and manifestations of popular enthusiasm. Especially when
showed their elderly masses in smushkie caps and pulled out of chests
rumpled zhupany.
Therefore, when in the morning I heard exclamations of "ava, ava" from my room, I
guessed that the "ataman of the Ukrainian army himself was entering Kiev on a white horse"
and the Gaidamak kosh "Pan Petlyura."

[Koshnitsa]

Do not wake up to produce new myths.
- Glory to the heroes, glory to the Kuban! - according to local custom, Kostogryz greeted the sentries on the porch. “The guns pointed at me, so you think I won’t get to the old man’s dad?” From, bisovy souls, dumb on you glorious Black Sea. I’ll get it. From it is not a sin to worship. Yes, I didn’t see my dear old woman, nor children, nor grandchildren, nor Pashkovskaya, if I don’t get there! Oh so! Chi do not miss? Dad at home? What do you write there with fox tails?
The author does not need to invent new myths.
Greeting "Glory To Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! "is an emigrant copy of the Kuban "Glory to the heroes, glory to the Kuban!" , which in turn is a Cossack password-revocation, from the time of the Caucasian war. This combination was chosen, due to the fact that the Circassians were not able to pronounce these sounds and after a hitch with an answer they received a well-aimed Plastun bullet.
In exile, the Kuban continued to greet themselves like that.
Password recall is not the only one stolen by dill.
Feast of the Intercession is a Don holiday, but was copied and transferred to new soil.
Do not wake to produce many.
If even most of the Ukrainian rebel songs are godlessly coordinated with Russians, and even Soviet ones, then there is no need to talk about anything more serious.


«Glory to the heroes, glory to the Kuban! I’m writing to you, Batko, the reputed Cossack of Luka, I’m glad that you combined power over us, the Kuban people, I didn’t sleep for two nights, I thought that I would go hunting and what heroic deeds I hadn’t told you. And in my garden I’ll lay a table for thirty people and, according to the Zaporizhzhya custom, we’ll throw so many cups until it makes you sick. I bow to the damp earth. "

[Koshnitsa]

You can see for yourself.

[cost]

Greetings "Glory to Ukraine-Heroes, Glory!" is an emigrant copy of the Kuban "Glory to the heroes, glory to the Kuban!" , which in turn goes to the Cossack password-recall, during the Caucasian War. This combination was chosen, due to the fact that the Circassians were not able to pronounce these sounds and after a hitch with the answer received a well-aimed plastun bullet.

There is such a famous Greben song-epic "Polyushko-field". ..The old ... XVII century .... not the one "where heroes travel across the field, oh yes, heroes of the red army" (how the texts of Cossack songs were copied in the 30s, I recommend reading in E. Dolmatovsky's autobiographical book "It Was"). So I will not quote the text of the original; it is rather well-known and long, I will try in my own words: "heroes are riding across the field, and there is an oak on the field, a crow the raven croaked: glory to the heroes, the heroes answered: glory to the heroes... The raven asks: where are you? now is the time not to fight, but to plow the field, sow and water. And the heroes answer: now we will plow it up with horses, we will strew it with corpses and water it with blood "... well, etc."

"Polyushko Pole" was sung by the nanny of Pyotr Grineva in Pushkin's novel "The Captain's Daughter", at that time there were no Kuban residents. All the same, perhaps this greeting was originally a common clerk. I add that Zaporozhye, and maybe even Ryazan
I can throw off the MP3 performed by the GAPiP "Terskie Cossacks", although the Donets and Kubans are also likely to sing it - the song is common

[Koshnitsa]

It may have been an expression, but it was the Circassians' inability to imitate this set of sounds in the meadows that caused its existence.
In any case, the Ukrainians stole.

[cost]

Greetings Sergey

In any case, the Ukrainians stole.

So they also ranked themselves as descendants of the Cossacks Moreover, belonging to the "offspring" is identified exclusively by the forelock and trousers
The direct descendants of the Cossacks are the Kuban (formerly the Black Sea), Transdanders, Khopers and Transbaikal

[Koshnitsa]

That was all. Already in the past.
There, the simplest digital figure for 1792, approximately 6,5 thousand according to the old Zaporozhye army went to Black Sea. There were 15 thousand there in the year 1777.
A thousand to the Don.
4,5 thousand in for the Danube.
What is left then?
Several hundred new nobles in Little Russian and Novorossiysk provinces, and a couple of thousand vagabonds.
Of which many did not have offspring.
Otozh.
Mayo, sho mayo.
In the Kuban, it was precisely the descendants of the Cossacks that there was an insignificant part.

[Topgun]

weighing this "smart" line about the Kuban and the Cossacks breaks down on folk songs - 90% of the "Kuban" folk songs are in pure Ukrainian ...

Quote: Koshnitsa

In the Kuban, it was precisely the descendants of the Cossacks that there was an insignificant part. And in Ukraine in general, decl

this is generally stupid because the Cossacks didn’t take any women from Sich in a vacuum :))) Cossacks didn’t fly from Mars and these were not ordinary people who lived all over Ukraine, someone offended the landowner, someone drank everything, etc. etc. different motives brought men to Sich

[Koshnitsa]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Once at a hearing in the Duma, it was stated that according to declassified data from the Ministry of Defense, the loss of the Soviet Union in World War II was 42 million (This is without the wounded)

The Duma announced more than 19 million servicemen, this is without partisans and militias. Books of Memory and the database of the Memorial Ministry of Defense. This is open data. What is there to fence in a garden,

[Koshnitsa]

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Awards

August 15, 1943 - Order of the Patriotic War II degree
July 12, 1944 - Order of the Red Star
1957 - medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."