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Will the Boomerang go into the army with the Dagger?

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Information Agency TASS referring to the “Military Industrial Company” reports that the “Boomerang” armored personnel carrier can be equipped with a combat remotely controlled module “Dagger”. This is a combat module with weapons such as the 57-mm cannon and the 9M120 “Attack” anti-tank missiles. The versatility of the Dagger combat module allows it to be used not only against ground targets, but also against low-flying targets, such as a drone or a helicopter.


From the statement "MIC":
In terms of payload and power availability, the Boomerang provides for the installation of the Dagger combat module.


Will the Boomerang go into the army with the Dagger?


"Boomerang" has a wheel platform (8x8). Able to overcome water obstacles. On its basis, as the manufacturer notes, it is possible to create reconnaissance vehicles, armored ambulances and other means demanded by the troops.

The staffing of the Boomerang provides for the remotely controlled Boomerang-BM module. The equipment of this combat module: 30-mm gun 2А42 with ammunition in 500 shells; PKTM machine gun of caliber 7,62 mm (ammunition - 2 thousand cartridges); two dual launchers ATGM "Cornet". Movement "Boomerang-BM" is carried out by electric motors, which are controlled by a computer program. The module’s ammunition is isolated from the airborne troops and the crew, which makes it possible to increase security in combat conditions.

Boomerang shipments to the troops are scheduled for 2019 year.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Corn
    Corn 6 October 2018 19: 15
    +16
    Oh, thank you, let’s start a series of new equipment in at least some version.
    Why armored personnel carrier 57mm gun, for what purpose?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 6 October 2018 19: 40
      +14
      Quote: Corn
      Oh, thank you, let’s start a series of new equipment in at least some version.

      yes
      In the morning, it happens: "Andrey, do you want fried potatoes or boil them? If you boil them, then in" uniforms "or simply? To which I sometimes answer - "Yes, at least some!" laughing wassat
    2. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 19: 50
      +8
      Then, and for the same purpose with which the Germans in the war put 75 mm on armored personnel carriers.
      There will be no excess. Useful.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 7 October 2018 02: 46
        -4
        The task of the BTR infantry delivery. 57 a gun he needs a stop signal like a hare.
    3. just exp
      just exp 6 October 2018 20: 04
      +23
      57mm will be needed in all types of BTT. for it covers everything except a tank forehead.
      and 30mm is no longer taken from new even armored personnel carriers (cougar and other boxers).
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 7 October 2018 10: 58
        +2
        Quote: just explo
        57mm will be needed in all types of BTT

        The main weapon of an armored personnel carrier is not a cannon, but an infantry squad, so putting heavy weapons on an armored personnel carrier to the detriment of its landing is not the right decision.
        1. Romka47
          Romka47 8 October 2018 12: 23
          +2
          This is so in theory, but in practice the infantry on the armor is only on top, otherwise like "I won't even get drunk there." And in practice, we see that in 90% of cases BMP is used as a weapon. And yes Bradley does not take 2A42 (30mm). so 57mm + 4 Cornets are the best!
    4. Tersky
      Tersky 6 October 2018 20: 08
      +39
      Quote: Corn
      Why armored personnel carrier 57mm gun, for what purpose?

      This is a variant of the famous S-60 anti-aircraft gun, adapted for installation on armored vehicles. It is known for its monstrous ballistics for a weapon of this caliber - the reach in height is more than 4 km, in the range of 6-8 km. It can be successfully used for firing at tanks, inflicting significant damage to them at distances from which a tank gun cannot provide sustained return fire, and at low-flying air targets. The 57 mm caliber may not penetrate the meter-long frontal armor of the Abrams and Leopard, but a flurry of powerful enough high-explosive shells will simply blow away all external devices - primarily optics and antennas, break the tracks, jam the turret. By the way, the Syrian troops, actively using the S-60, are happy as elephants, the shell sews a panel high-rise building through and through, punching several reinforced concrete floors along with fortifications (sandbags, concrete blocks, etc.) through from FOUR KILOMETERS.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 6 October 2018 20: 37
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        The 57 mm caliber may not penetrate the meter-long frontal armor of the Abrams and Leopard, but a flurry of powerful enough high-explosive shells will simply blow away all external devices - primarily optics and antennas, break the tracks, jam the turret.

        That's right, but 30mm is quite a formidable weapon. The network contains a description of the BMP-3 tests, when the alloy was fired from a 30mm cannon at the T-55, which was removed from storage. The results of the shelling shocked, since not only were all the attachments of the tank and the optics demolished, the gun was punched (in several places) and serious cracks in the frontal armor ... 57mm is certainly a more powerful system, but its tasks are different. To unleash the potential of 57mm, you need a platform of the BMPT level (a separate fire support vehicle). For armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, in my opinion, it is redundant, because the task of the BMP (armored personnel carrier) is direct fire support for the infantry, and the infantry does not "cut" targets 6 km away. If we compare the BMP with a 30mm module and 57mm, then the latter will certainly increase the firepower of the vehicle as such, but is it necessary or is it still to place 57mm on a specialized vehicle?
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 6 October 2018 20: 52
          +6
          Quote: avdkrd
          If we compare the BMP with the 30mm module and 57mm, then the latter will certainly increase the firepower of the machine as such, but is it necessary or is it necessary to place the 57mm on a specialized machine?

          The answer is on the surface, we are talking about a combat module that is installed or changed to another on the "Boomerag", depending on the tasks and goals. Considering that in modern conflicts, the highway will be fully used, then the "Boomerang" with such weapons has more prospects to influence the positive outcome of the battle.
        2. Mihail28
          Mihail28 7 October 2018 01: 41
          +1
          A 57mm anti-aircraft guns - ZSU-57-2 - were already placed on a specialized machine. Until they created Shilka and Arrows-1. Apparently, they are selling something cheaper against drones, the armor is a little expensive (IMHO).
          Although maybe in the goal setting I’m wrong.
        3. Romka47
          Romka47 8 October 2018 13: 50
          0
          The fact is that all Western BMPs were made with an eye on our second behu, that is, they were made taking into account the 30ki 2A42 hit, the most striking example of a Bradley BMP (therefore it weighs like a tank, but 30 is unbeatable).
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 7 October 2018 00: 32
        -3
        Quote: Tersky
        but a flurry of powerful enough high explosive shells

        Which really isn’t. And in the caliber 57 mm, no high-explosive shell would present any danger to the tank.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 October 2018 00: 51
          +5
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          in caliber 57 mm no high-explosive shell would present any danger to the tank

          Yeah, it won’t ... such a feather flew in, panimayush, from four kilometers, and gently stroked ... and not one flew, but a dozen. Exactly - the tank will only benefit laughing
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 7 October 2018 10: 53
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Yeah, it won’t ... such a feather flew in, panimayush, from four kilometers, and gently stroked ... and not one flew, but a dozen. Exactly - the tank will only benefit

            Smoke materiel. The OR-60U and OR-281 projectiles available for the S-281 RP have an explosive charge of about 150 grams, which is comparable to the charge of an RGD-5 hand grenade (110 grams of explosives). What damage will the same seventy-two RGD-5 explode on the VLD or on the forehead of the tower? So end up believing in stupid tales about the almighty high-explosive guns.
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      3. poquello
        poquello 7 October 2018 01: 35
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        This is a variant of the famous S-60 anti-aircraft gun

        Well, yes, the gun is evil
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 October 2018 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        The 57 mm caliber may not penetrate the meter-long frontal armor of the Abrams and Leopard, but a flurry of powerful enough high-explosive shells will simply blow away all external devices - primarily optics and antennas, break the tracks, jam the turret.

        Vitya hi
        It’s of course ... 57 mm is serious, but ... due to the increase in caliber, the BC is reduced. And the second ... the return of such a weapon is several times greater than that of 30 mm, while Boomer is not a T-15 and from such loads, it will be wildly reeled, hence the accuracy will suffer significantly.
        1. Uryukc
          Uryukc 7 October 2018 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          from such loads, it will wildly reel

          So there are new counter-rollbacks, + Boomerang is heavier than the BTR 80. Well, the military-industrial complex probably thought about it.
          Quote: NEXUS
          BC decreases

          So the power of the gun is still higher, in addition, the tower is uninhabited, that is, the BC will be normal.
    5. Waldemar
      Waldemar 6 October 2018 21: 03
      +5
      Guaranteed destruction of lightly armored vehicles, firing points and low-flying la
    6. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 6 October 2018 23: 05
      +3
      Quote: Corn
      Why armored personnel carrier 57mm gun, for what purpose?

      C bloodthirsty and evil! am
    7. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 6 October 2018 23: 37
      +2
      Quote: Corn
      Oh, thank you, let’s start a series of new equipment in at least some version.

      That's it. The question is not "Will the Boomerang go into the army with the Dagger?" or not... But will the Boomerang go to the troops in general? And if so, when? winked
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 October 2018 01: 21
        +2
        Boomerang shipments to the troops are scheduled for 2019 year.
        Yeah ... not yet fed up with fairy tales? and armats, and te-15, and seven men, and leaders .. boltology ... here are the penalties. (life span) will increase, and along with the working class women.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 7 October 2018 01: 52
          -3
          and cho, minusologists, are there any objections? let's "docks" rejoice.
        2. plotnikov561956
          plotnikov561956 7 October 2018 04: 26
          +2
          All questions are removed ... if you ask yourself .. And where are the production facilities ..? This alone is enough to understand the imposed cheers-patriotism .. This is not skepticism ... but realities
          1. Fox
            Fox 7 October 2018 21: 04
            0
            Quote: plotnikov561956
            .And where is the production capacity ..? This alone is enough to understand the imposed cheers-patriotism.

            to understand this, you need to stop yelling "urya", and look around ... but with this problem ...
    8. venik
      venik 7 October 2018 13: 56
      0
      Quote: Corn
      Why armored personnel carrier 57mm gun, for what purpose?

      ========
      Mainly to fight against light armored vehicles of the enemy (now many NATO infantry fighting vehicles have armor that protects against 30-mm shells!). And besides, the article says (in black and white, by the way) to combat air targets !!! For 2A-42 and 2A-72 - the range is too small for this !!!
      PS By the way, "Boomerang" is not an armored personnel carrier, but a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle !!!
  2. seti
    seti 6 October 2018 19: 16
    +11
    57mm will be more solid than 30 .. And for lightly armored targets such as jihadmobiles and urban development.
    1. figwam
      figwam 6 October 2018 20: 24
      +10
      Quote: seti
      57mm will be more solid than 30.

      Yes, the caliber is impressive.
  3. kapitan92
    kapitan92 6 October 2018 19: 16
    +8
    Bravo! And if you use "Sarmat" on "Boomerang", there will be no prices! laughing
    Put at least something in the troops!
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 19: 52
      +5
      And what, the troops have nothing? Move on foot?
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 6 October 2018 20: 00
        0
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        And what, the troops have nothing? Move on foot?

        Of course not, dear! There are BMP and armored personnel carriers of the Soviet and Russian built laughing , some of them have even been modified. But with the "Boomerang" problems! hi
        1. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 20: 09
          +3
          Well, they will solve these problems ...
          Or they won’t decide. The boomerang also breaks through ATGMs and BSs, as does the BMP. The tasks of the RF Armed Forces in the presence / absence of a Boomerang will not change, and they will perform them.
          And the light did not meet in a wedge - neither on the Boomerang, nor on the anti-gravity vimaana.
          Tasks will be solved in any way, by available means and tools. And be solved successfully.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 6 October 2018 20: 14
            -3
            Quote: Carpenter 2329
            The boomerang also breaks through ATGMs and BSs, as does the BMP.

            Here we are! An infantry fighting vehicle makes its way into the airborne projection with 7,62 ammunition, and there is nothing to say about the above ammunition.
            Quote: Carpenter 2329
            The tasks of the RF Armed Forces in the presence / absence of a Boomerang will not change, and they will perform them.

            Of course! Women still give birth!
            Quote: Carpenter 2329
            Tasks will be solved in any way, by available means and tools. And be solved successfully.

            Hooray !!!
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 6 October 2018 20: 51
              +3
              Quote: kapitan92
              Here we are! An infantry fighting vehicle makes its way into the airborne projection with 7,62 ammunition, and there is nothing to say about the above ammunition.


              The paratroopers equally do not trust the elderly BTR-70, nor the more recent BTR-80, nor even the modern BMP-3. The reason is simple and obvious - domestic armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are in fact not armored vehicles. They can be categorized as you like - fire support vehicles, tracked high-terrain vehicles, excellent tractors or swimming equipment. But they do not and cannot, in principle, fulfill their Main Purpose. It makes no sense to expect high security from a large combat vehicle weighing just 10 - 15 tons.
            2. 2329 Carpenter
              2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 20: 55
              +3
              Well, not "hurray" really really ...
              We just have nowhere to go, and tasks to perform. Moreover - to everyone. And everyday. And it doesn’t matter if you are on the Boomerang, or on the train.
              1. spektr9
                spektr9 6 October 2018 22: 10
                0
                Well, not "hurray" really really ...
                We just have nowhere to go, and tasks to perform. Moreover - to everyone. And everyday. And it doesn’t matter if you are on the Boomerang, or on the train.

                The only question that arises is whether they will be able to accomplish tasks despite the fact that the enemy’s equipment and other weapons will be much more efficient ....
                1. 2329 Carpenter
                  2329 Carpenter 7 October 2018 11: 28
                  -2
                  What exactly is "more effective" for the enemy? RPO-A, Buratino, AK-12/15? ))
                  And 8 more volumes of the enumeration of devices ...
                2. venik
                  venik 7 October 2018 14: 22
                  0
                  Quote: spektr9
                  Well, not "hurray" really really ...
                  We just have nowhere to go, and tasks to perform. Moreover - to everyone. And everyday. And it doesn’t matter if you are on the Boomerang, or on the train.

                  The only question that arises is whether they will be able to accomplish tasks despite the fact that the enemy’s equipment and other weapons will be much more efficient ....

                  =========
                  Give an example - which NATO equipment is "an order of magnitude" more effective than ours ??? It is desirable to confirm with figures !!!
            3. venik
              venik 7 October 2018 13: 58
              -1
              Quote: kapitan92
              Here we are! An infantry fighting vehicle makes its way into the airborne projection with 7,62 ammunition, and there is nothing to say about the above ammunition.

              ========
              This "Boomerang" punches 7,62 mm ???? fool
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 October 2018 01: 33
      -1
      Quote: kapitan92
      Bravo! And if you use "Sarmat" on "Boomerang", there will be no prices! laughing
      Put at least something in the troops!

      yes it is true ... and then, 2 dozen-per country in half the world .. ridiculous. you say that in the morning there is a war, we will understand (well, to be honest?) planes, tears, ships, clean up, boats of strategists, the world is enough to break the whole defense) and yes, patriots isho dofiga is "confused" ... what to lose .. privatizers.
      1. venik
        venik 7 October 2018 15: 06
        -2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        planes-tears, ships-wipe off, boats strategists-the world to break is enough-all defense)

        ======
        Well, clownery !!! Haven't read such nonsense for a long time !!! This is "airplanes - tears" ??? In general, the Russian Air Force (as part of the Aerospace Forces) has about 2000 planes and 1000 helicopters (more, only in the USA !!!).
  4. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 October 2018 19: 25
    +6
    I wonder what ammunition for down 57 mm ...
    It is possible that they will be equipped with various modules depending on the task.
    And it’s better to try on and see the modules now, than to spit and remodel a bunch of equipment.
  5. marshes
    marshes 6 October 2018 19: 26
    +4
    57 representation of which BK will be for 100 shots.
    Boomerang what weight is of interest, Barys 27 tons, full reservation, KAMAZ Kamens 350 strong hardly pulls.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 6 October 2018 19: 52
      +4
      Quote: marshes
      Boomerang what weight is interested in

      Combat weight BMPK K-17 - 25 t
      housing length 8,45 m
      width - 3 m
      Roof height 2,25 m, together with the 3,5 module m.
      The clearance is adjustable between 100 mm and 450 mm.
      Powerplant 750 HP - 12-cylinder V-engine turbodiesel YaMZ-780.
      Manual gearbox switches to automatic transmission mode, total 6 forward and 2 reverse gears.
      For light versions, an 510 hp engine can be used, such as was installed for the May 9 parade of May 2015. Unique transmission.
      Speed ​​along the highway 100 km / h, cross country - 50 km / h, afloat - 10 km / h.
      Cruising range 800 km.
      Link to the source: http: //tehnorussia.su/voennaya-tekhnika/23-tanki-i-bronemashiny/669-bmp-k-17-bumerang#2
  6. _Kotegpushisteg_
    _Kotegpushisteg_ 6 October 2018 19: 31
    -5
    suspiciously similar to French VBCI bully learned from chinese friends? laughing
    1. polpot
      polpot 6 October 2018 19: 43
      +5
      Learning is never harmful
    2. figwam
      figwam 6 October 2018 20: 15
      +1
      Quote: _Kotegpushisteg_
      suspiciously similar to French VBCI bully learned from chinese friends? laughing

      I don't see anything like it
      1. NyeMoNik70
        NyeMoNik70 6 October 2018 23: 25
        +2
        The module stands on the T-15, and the main caliber is an automatic low-ballistic gun from the "Epoch" module.
        Such would be for deuces and singles ...
        The vrazhin would have had a lurch wassat
  7. Wilderness
    Wilderness 6 October 2018 19: 48
    +1
    Let blasters from Star Wars be tried on right away, because by the time there are only "boomerangs" in the army, and all BTR-80,70, etc. will go to reserve warehouses and museums - all over the world there will already be baters blasters cut.
  8. Zubr
    Zubr 6 October 2018 19: 59
    +3
    The movement "Boomerang-BM" is carried out by electric motors, which are controlled by a computer program.

    I am tormented by doubts about managing a computer program. Although ... probably I'm out of date hopelessly .. smile
    1. faiver
      faiver 6 October 2018 20: 10
      +2
      Although ... probably I'm out of date hopelessly .. smile
      - I don’t think the more complicated the technique, the more hemorrhoid it is ... bully
  9. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 6 October 2018 20: 02
    +3
    with us, as always, they did not start doing, but they want to immediately modernize. fool it’s interesting, but the 45 mm guns aren’t in service, and for a boomerang to create a module uninhabited with the 45mm gun and more powerful than the 30mm gun, and the ammunition will be the same, it is unlikely that the 45mm gun will have less ammunition, the difference in caliber is not significant to reduce ammunition.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 6 October 2018 20: 21
      +4
      Quote: ANCIENT
      it’s interesting, but the 45 mm guns aren’t in service, and for a boomerang to create a module uninhabited with the 45mm gun and more powerful than the 30mm gun, and the ammunition will be the same, it is unlikely that the 45mm gun will have less ammunition, the difference in caliber is not significant to reduce ammunition.

      Caliber 45 mm arose out of need. After the Civil War, Soviet Russia, within the framework of military cooperation with Weimar Germany, also bought 37-mm Rheinmetall cannons there, hoping to create effective anti-tank artillery on their basis. The 37-mm caliber suited the Germans. But our military - no! Efficiency is a good thing, but there was no money for it. We decided to use the huge stocks of old shells from the tsarist era for the 47-mm Hotchkiss cannons stored in warehouses, but to grind off leading belts up to 45-mm on them. At the same time, a sleeve with a large charge of gunpowder accelerated this projectile to such a speed that the new weapon became an effective means of fighting German tanks.
    2. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 21: 01
      +2
      Don’t ... Let S-60 steers.
      She really will do business - what from the distance, and even if the rapprochement ... A good thing in general!
      good
  10. Graz
    Graz 6 October 2018 20: 20
    0
    absolutely unnecessary thing, you need a wheeled tank, and 57 mm is not needed on an armored personnel carrier
    1. Grits
      Grits 6 October 2018 21: 04
      0
      I agree, on its basis you need to create a wheeled tank. The whole world is switching to such devices in connection with the active expansion of the road network. That allows you to quickly carry out the transfer of equipment to dangerous areas.
      The "Boomerang" module on the "Boomerang" looks like it was sewn on it. Why invent something new? He's not at the forefront, after all. The task of the armored personnel carrier is the delivery of infantry, and for this 30 mm. enough for the eyes. But 75 mm. Better to put the T-15 on the BMP - that one needs it - after all, it rushes along the battlefield with the tanks.
      1. 2329 Carpenter
        2329 Carpenter 7 October 2018 11: 31
        -1
        Well, yes, yes, yes ... In Syria, despite the database, they are actively building roads - a specialist for wheeled vehicles.
        "To make it easier for him to fight ... Who? Tom ..." (V.V.)
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 October 2018 20: 26
    +1
    "Boomerang" is an excellent armored personnel carrier, it needs to be supplied to the troops ... First of all, to the guards units ...

    Yes, and I would also add such screens for him -




    Cheap and effective protection against all cumulative ammunition from RPGs and anti-tank systems ...
    1. marshes
      marshes 6 October 2018 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Yes, and I would also add such screens for him -

      By the way, such soft screens, quite efekivny, are not badly recommended in Afghanistan from RPG-7 shots.

      For that they are useless from tandems and ATGMs.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 6 October 2018 22: 22
        0
        Why are they useless from tandem missiles and ATGMs? There the principle is simple - steel elements in the corners break the cumulative funnel of a rocket or ATGM, an explosion occurs, but the cumulative jet does not form ...

        There is only one minus for such a system, the grid wears out and several hits in one place can not stand it, but you still have to manage to get into one place ...

        In any case, such protection is cheap, simple and effective, multiplies the survivability of armored personnel carriers from cumulative ammunition ...
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 7 October 2018 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      "Boomerang" is an excellent armored personnel carrier, it needs to be supplied to the troops ... First of all, to the guards units ...
      Yes, and I would also add such screens for him -


      Cheap and effective protection against all cumulative ammunition from RPGs and anti-tank systems ...

      What a news !
      It turns out that you can make a machine out of cardboard;
      The probability of destruction of an old RPG-7 class grenade with a high-quality anti-cumulative shield is about 50% -60%

      This is so to speak for the seed:
      To combat anti-cumulative screens, modern hand-held anti-tank grenades, including the new RPG-7 missiles, use highly sensitive inertial fuses. The grenade (before the anti-cumulative screen could cause damage to it) initiates the detonation of the cumulative ammunition, reacting to the fact that the missile stopped flying, therefore the cumulative screen is not able to provide a significant protective effect. [

      Learn materiel, otherwise you'll be like ...................
  12. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 6 October 2018 20: 28
    +3
    armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" can be equipped with a combat remotely controlled module "Dagger". We are talking about a combat module with weapons such as 57-mm gun and anti-tank missiles 9M120 "Attack"

    So it will not be an armored personnel carrier, but a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle ...
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 6 October 2018 21: 04
      +1
      What difference does it make ... It’s not just a goose for fighters, as it is called.
  13. loki565
    loki565 6 October 2018 20: 30
    +4
    I understand the heavy infantry fighting vehicle it covers the infantry and goes into battle, and the armored personnel carrier is essentially an armored truck, its task is to deliver the infantry to the place, plus a small cannon. And if the cornets stand, this is enough to destroy any armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle or enemy tank
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 7 October 2018 02: 53
      -2
      I'm afraid 90 percent of the people who wrote here do not understand the difference between an APC and an IFV. Respectively, and comments should be put Tipo, this is necessary.
  14. Waldemar
    Waldemar 6 October 2018 21: 07
    +2
    A question for connoisseurs - why they don’t want to put a tower with an 125mm cannon like octopus-sd on it?
    It turns out a highly mobile wheeled tank with an airborne compartment.
    1. san4es
      san4es 6 October 2018 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: Valdemar
      ... It turns out a highly mobile wheeled tank with an airborne squad.

      Photoshop what . Roller about a wheeled tank here: recourse
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=EUD2jZSZocc
    2. marshes
      marshes 6 October 2018 21: 33
      0
      Quote: Valdemar
      A question for experts - why they don’t want to put a tower with a 125mm cannon like an octopus-sd on it? It turns out a highly mobile wheeled tank with an airborne compartment.

      And fig, the armor is cardboard.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 6 October 2018 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Valdemar
      A question for connoisseurs - why they don’t want to put a tower with an 125mm cannon like octopus-sd on it?

      Moscow, February 4. At present, the Russian Military-Industrial Company plans to create a wheeled tank based on the Boomerang universal platform. This was announced by director of the military-industrial complex Alexander Krasovitsky.
      Read the full article here: https://riafan.ru/1031684-tank-na-kolesnoi-platforme-bumerang-sozdayut-v-rossii
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 6 October 2018 23: 49
        0
        Thank you for clarification.
    4. kplayer
      kplayer 6 October 2018 22: 20
      +2
      This is not a DBM with a CD inside the module itself, it is a full-fledged tower, occupying the volume inside the case + BC. You can forget about the landing and buoyancy (that is not a specially designed 18-ton Octopus-SD).
    5. Mihail28
      Mihail28 7 October 2018 01: 51
      +1
      It’s like in that joke. About playing checkers or riding. Also, the Octopus is wheeled with an airborne squad: what should you carry in the airborne squad? At your choice: either paratroopers (without shells for a 125 mm cannon) or shells for a 125 mm cannon (but then without paratroopers). Or do you think that the cannon shells are the same size (and weight) as the bullet cartridges?
    6. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 7 October 2018 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Valdemar
      A question for connoisseurs - why they don’t want to put a tower with an 125mm cannon like octopus-sd on it?
      It turns out a highly mobile wheeled tank with an airborne compartment.

      Because it will not work. Or
      Quote: Valdemar
      wheeled tank

      or
      Quote: Valdemar
      with airborne squad
  15. pru-pavel
    pru-pavel 6 October 2018 21: 26
    +3
    In the articles about German boxers I remember there were so many taunts about how this barn will be visible for 100 kilometers and it’s easy to hit and turn over endlessly at bends. And how did the same high Russian car. So right away, they recognized a good device
  16. Warrior Spirit
    Warrior Spirit 6 October 2018 21: 27
    -3
    I don’t understand why to produce Boomerang ??? He surpasses (on paper) all foreign armored personnel carriers (according to the Zvezda channel). Is it not better to produce BTR-82 which are at the level of foreign armored personnel carriers? And then, when others will appear at the Boomerang level - to start releasing it. After all, in no case can you produce equipment better than the enemy.
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 6 October 2018 22: 16
      0
      Is it not better to produce BTR-82 which are at the level of foreign armored personnel carriers?
      Foreign armored personnel carriers break through 7.62?
  17. senima56
    senima56 6 October 2018 21: 33
    0
    Of course with "Dagger"! Such a powerful machine - appropriate weapons!
  18. JD1979
    JD1979 6 October 2018 21: 39
    +1
    It would be better if this cockpit was equipped with the KAZom’s dream, and the possibility of installing gratings would be more useful than throwing between the old and proven 30mm caliber and also old but out of service 57mm, to which you still need to make normal shells with programmable undermine and release enough of them so that suddenly with an empty BC not to remain.
    1. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 6 October 2018 21: 57
      -1
      Finally. And then I was afraid that this site has total double standards, However, no. There are consistent judgments.
    2. Waldemar
      Waldemar 6 October 2018 23: 48
      0
      It seems kaz on it is supposed
  19. kplayer
    kplayer 6 October 2018 22: 04
    +2
    The machine has a high projection, so installation on it heavier and also tall DOUBM affect weight distribution and roll stability, as well as water stability. Do not forget that, due to the layout of the machine, the DBM is noticeably shifted to the stern (affects the trim) ...
    ... Well, for parity, America’s bicaliber 35/50 mm Bushmaster III is immediately inserted into their Bradley, instead of the 25 mm M242. These babosy there.
  20. parkello
    parkello 6 October 2018 22: 32
    0
    57mm is the best you can offer today. and this is the best infantry fighting vehicle with a combat module of 57 mm Baikal. I am writing this to you as a person who has undergone training in the NATO troops. but the BMP-3 with its 100mm and 30mm twin guns cannot be replaced with this gun. 100 mm will be better than 57. You have to put shells on a 100 mm gun to prepare Cherry 3, say with remote detonation. and more powerful A / T projectile (anti-tank) .and 57mm is cool.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 6 October 2018 22: 51
      0
      BMP-3 has excellent firepower but very poor crew protection, almost no
      1. parkello
        parkello 7 October 2018 09: 40
        0
        I agree, his defense is weak, but this is for the sake of buoyancy. can be made heavier. but will no longer walk on water.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 9 October 2018 09: 00
      0
      more powerful A / T shell (anti-tank)

      Not get there any more powerful projectile. This is a cannon of low ballistics (it cannot shoot under caliber) and a small caliber (cumulative shells are also small)
  21. Fox
    Fox 7 October 2018 00: 59
    +3
    For some reason, all supporters of 57 mm modestly keep silent about the fact that the AU-220 is water-cooled, and the aluminum "armored casing" can even be penetrated by small arms.
  22. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 7 October 2018 02: 50
    0
    Well, what's the point? To make of an armored personnel carrier such a BMP module? So let's put it on all the trucks, just in case.
  23. kplayer
    kplayer 7 October 2018 12: 33
    +1
    JD1979, KAZ and EDZ based on tactics put on MBT, i.e. on BM first tier (they take the main blow ATGM and RPG). BM designers are trying to avoid installing BMPs and armored personnel carriers (and the military does not even require this), realizing how disastrous it is for dismounted motorized rifles. Actually, the main armor of the BM must be at the tank level (not aluminum light BM) in order to withstand the detonation of explosives in the EDZ attached to it or the KAZ ammunition in the immediate vicinity of the BM. Well, I’m not worth recalling damage to the BTR wheel chassis. The absurdity of the situation may also consist in the fact that the PT ammunition can and will fly higher above the machine, and the KAZ system will work, dismounted soldiers will die or suffer.

    For example, the character and tactics of occupation operations in the cities of Iraq could and did allow amers to put EDZ on non-floating BM Bradley, when the infantry moved on emergency MRAPs, and BMP (only with crew) was used for fire support in exchange for or along with MBT , then in combined-arms operations, the installation of an EDZ on an infantry fighting vehicle is not supposed.
  24. Love is
    Love is 7 October 2018 17: 16
    0
    57 mm guns have higher potential. For it is easier to develop a programmable ammunition. And the infantry is not in the least hampered by the support of this beautiful weapon.
  25. Elena Akinfieva
    Elena Akinfieva 7 October 2018 21: 32
    0
    already added and where is it?