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Eagles learn to fly! The last reincarnation of the F-15 Eagle fighter

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The first tactical fighter F-15 were adopted over 45 years ago. The newest aircraft, built at an aircraft factory in St. Louis, have little in common with those of the first machines. Boeing is doing everything possible to ensure that the venerable Eagle remains at its highest level.



One of the main differences between the Advanced Eagle version is the engagement of the extreme underwing points of the armament suspension, the number of which has increased from 9 to 11

With 1972 year aviation Boeing’s plant (formerly McDonnell Douglas) has built more than 1600 F-15 Eagle fighters. The production of this aircraft lasts longer than the production of any other fighter in stories aviation.

Over the past 45 years, the F-15 fighter has been the backbone of the combat capabilities of the US Air Force, it has served and continues to serve in the air forces of Israel, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and South Korea. However, Boeing completely disagrees with the fact that the Eagle time has passed and it should give way to the younger and more ambitious competitors of the “fifth generation”, in connection with which it is actively promoting its Advanced Eagle concept (“improved eagle”) to the market.

F-15 fighter program manager at Boeing, Steve Parker, said that “The Advanced Eagle that we developed and deliver today is not the Eagle 70's. We want to break this view and show everyone that the F-15 is absolutely consistent with today. The new version is almost the same at first glance, but it’s a completely different machine. ”

During an interview in the assembly shop of the F-15 fighter aircraft of the St. Louis aircraft factory, Parker noted that the first F-15 fighters are different from those offered today, just as family cars are different from racing cars. “We should have given the name of this aircraft a long time ago; this is really what Boeing is actively promoting. The “problem” is that Eagle has a very strong reputation, although the machine that we supply today has only the outer lines, and everything else has changed dramatically. ”

“When we talk to potential customers, it turns out that the 9 of 10 cases, some of the assumptions that they make regarding the capabilities of the Eagle, are not quite correct,” Parker continued. - They think with the past aircraft and from the point of view of brand promotion, renaming is something that would definitely be worth considering. Not a single serially produced fighter of air superiority compares today with the F-15 - nothing flies so fast, nothing flies high, nothing carries so much. ”

According to the Jane's World Air Forces directory, the current Eagle fleet is distributed as follows: F-458C / D / E 15 fighters from the US Air Force; 59 F-15C / D / I from Israel; 201 F-15J / DJ from Japan; 165 F-15C / S / SA from Saudi Arabia (deliveries of the newest SA model continue); 40 F-15SG from Singapore; and 60 F-15KS in South Korea. Recently, a contract was also signed for the supply of X-Fighter F-36QA Qatar fighters.


The F-15 fighter is still the basis of the US Air Force combat capabilities, where two options are deployed: the F-15C airborne fighter and the F-15E two-seat fighter.

Home upgrades

As the largest operator of Eagle airplanes, the United States Air Force has three variants of this fighter: the F-15C air superiority fighter with enhanced airframe design, the F-15D two-seat combat training aircraft and the F-15E Strike Eagle two-seater fighter.

Boeing is currently upgrading the F-15C and F-15E aircraft of the US Air Force and the National Guard Air Force. The need and desire to modernize the Eagle is such that the USAF has already invested over 12 billions of dollars (the largest amount in history allocated for an aircraft of this type) with the aim of extending its service life to 2040 of the year.

Air Force plans provide funding for upgrading to 2025 year. To date, a number of improvements to the parts of the aircraft have already been carried out, after which they were transferred to combat units. For example, pilots have already received helmet-mounted targeting systems at the JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System) target, which, when connected to the latest AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile, can direct and accompany this rocket with only head movements. In addition to the single-seat version of the F-15C, JHMCS systems are also integrated into the front and rear cabins of the two-seater F-15E.

The last (in time) stage of modernization is based around a new advanced flight management computer. The F-15C fighter and F-15E Eagle strike fighter will be equipped with a new set of equipment and software Suite 9, which is designed to enhance the combat capabilities of these aircraft. In this regard, Parker said that “Suite 9 is the first software that significantly enhances the capabilities of the new Advanced Display Core Processor II computer. This is the fastest flight control computer in the world. It can process up to 87 billion instructions per second. This is very important, since it is possible to use the electronic warfare complex currently being supplied with it at full capacity. ”

This is the newest EW EPAWSS system (Eagle Passive / Active Warning and Survivability System - a system of passive / active warning and combat stability for the Eagle platform). The EPAWSS complex is designed to analyze the radio frequency spectrum, identify threats, determine priorities and create radio frequency interference. The complex will be replaced by the Tactical Electronic Warfare Suite (TEWS), which was created in 80's, and is equipped with US Air Force Eagle airplanes.

In February, 2017 of the year, Boeing completed a critical analysis of the system, which followed a similar analysis of the EW complex conducted by BAE Systems at the end of the 2016 of the year. “This will be the most up-to-date EW system, which implements some proven technologies already integrated into fifth generation airplanes,” said Parker. - This program is an exemplary example of the process of arms procurement by the Ministry of Defense, we were ahead of each checkpoint by two months. Boeing began modifying some aircraft at the end of 2017, and flight tests began this year. We will begin a broader upgrade of the entire fleet at the start of the 2020's. ” The media reported in March that the EPAWSS upgrade for the F-15C aircraft was rejected by the US Air Force, although the launch notification for the F-15C and F-15E, issued around the same time, states that the installation of the complex is in full swing.

In addition to the computer Suite 9 / Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II and the EW EPAWSS complex, another item in the Eagle aircraft modernization plan is the replacement of the radar with mechanical scanning (M-Scan) with a new radar with AFAR (active phased antenna array). The United States Air Force is installing these radars on F-15C (Raytheon AN / APG-63 [V] 3 for air-to-air) fighters and F-15E (Raytheon AN / APG-82 [V] 1 for air-to-ground work "). "AFAR qualitatively enhances the capabilities of the aircraft regarding the range and protection against cruise missiles and the like," said Parker.

The work carried out under the RMP (Radar Modernization Program) program includes the refinement of M-Scan radars by adding transceiver modules from AFAR AN / APG-79 radars that are already installed on the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighter-bombers . At the moment, the new AFAR has upgraded more than X-NUMX F-125C fighters, but the modernization of the F-15E also continues and will last until the beginning of the 15-s.

In order to platform Eagle is not lost among the modern combat systems of the fifth generation. Phantom Works, a research division of Boeing, has developed a new "internetwork" communication system Talon HATE. This container-type system allows fourth-generation fighter aircraft, such as the Eagle, to exchange information with fifth-generation fighter aircraft, such as the F-22 Raptor and Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II, via Link 16, Common Data Link (CDL) and broadband satellite channels.

The Talon HATE Finishing Flight Test was completed at the start of the 2017 of the year. This system was deployed at the North Eagle exercise in Alaska, where the feedback was positive. Boeing and the United States Air Force, however, do not disclose information about Talon HATE. “Proceeding from the secrecy of this program, there is nothing more to add to what has been said,” said Parker, as he said.

The Talon HATE central suspension container is also equipped with an infrared search-and-track IRST system. This IRST system, however, is only an intermediate solution before the deployment of an integrated system. Boeing chose Lockheed Martin’s Legion Pod suspension container to fulfill this requirement and is expected to issue a contract to finalize and manufacture it by the end of 2018. “In January of this year, the main contractor Boeing and his partner Lockheed Martin worked together with the Air Force at Eglin Air Base, where 11 test flights were conducted to test the new system. The Legion Pod gives the F-15 the ability to search and track targets in a radio jamming environment. ”

The Legion Pod pod houses the IRST21 long-wave infrared sensor (official designation AN / ASG-34), which is already installed on the US Navy's Super Hornets as part of a temporary dropable fuel tank / IRST sensor combination. According to Jane's C4ISR & Mission Systems: Air, the Legion Pod is equipped with advanced networking and data processing technologies and is also compatible with the latest Multi-Domain Adaptable Processing System. According to the company, the Legion Pod is capable of receiving additional sensors and thus acts as a multifunctional sensor station, which eliminates the need for expensive aircraft modifications.

The ability of IRST to detect and accompany planes according to their thermal signatures has generated a lot of rumors and speculation about it, as about the killer of the stelah technology. An aircraft with low unmasking signs can avoid radio detection due to the combination of the airframe design and special airframe coatings, but at the same time it cannot hide its thermal signatures. The nature of special coatings and surfaces used in stealth planes is such that they actually increase their thermal visibility (unlike previous generations), making it easy for IRST systems to detect such systems.


As the F-15 fighter jets are increasingly working in conjunction with fifth-generation aircraft, such as the F-22 Raptor, the United States Air Force installed a Talon HATE outboard container so that different platforms can maintain full communication with each other

In addition to upgrading F-15 fighter systems, the US Air Force intends to increase its capabilities by installing additional conformal fuel tank (CFT) conformal fuel tanks on National Guard aircraft that perform most of the tasks of protecting the airspace of the United States. This work is carried out in cooperation with NATO’s Procurement and Procurement Office, and not with traditional American contractors, since this is the fastest way for a customer to get new opportunities. The CFT tanks themselves are manufactured by a subcontractor of Boeing, Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). The first aircraft (F-15C of the 159-th aviation wing of the National Guard of Louisiana), equipped with these tanks, made its first flight in February of this year. Evaluation flights are currently ongoing.

However, all these improvements can only be implemented on a serviceable glider, the operational life of which was originally installed 9000 flight hours for F-15C and 8000 flight hours for F-15E. These numbers were later increased to 15000 flight hours for both options, and Boeing considers it possible to further increase these numbers, if necessary, to 30000 flight hours. “We can do this because we have full-scale F-15C and F-15E aircraft for fatigue testing at the St. Louis plant. Both aircraft have long exceeded the 30000 hours of flight, so we know how the fatigue degradation on airplanes and the ways to solve these problems manifest themselves, ”said Parker.

In their current plans, the United States Air Force plans to extend the life of the F-15E variant to about the 2045 year. For the F-15C option, the future is less clear; there is talk of determining, in connection with funding problems, an earlier decommissioning date in the middle of 2020's. However, Parker noted that it would be relatively easy to extend the operation of the F-I5C aircraft to the mid-2030-s, at least for fairly modest money.

“In order to prolong the life of the F-15C after the 2040 of the year, the United States Air Force assigned a sum of 30-40 million dollars per aircraft. This money should go to the construction of a new fuselage, wings and chassis, where Boeing could simply build in existing functional systems and let it fly for 40 years. ”

“We believe that this is the most expensive scenario and there is no special need for it. In fact, we don’t even think that the Air Force is counting on this development, since Boeing’s company can extend the life of most of the fleet of 230 machines to the middle of 2030’s for just one million per plane, ”said Parker, adding,“ Why write off gliders F -15C, when they can still serve, it makes no sense. We believe that extending the service life will give the United States Air Force time to decide what they want to get with its promising Penetrating Counter-Air concept. ”

Eagles learn to fly! The last reincarnation of the F-15 Eagle fighter

After completing the contract for an unnamed customer, Boeing is currently building F-15SA aircraft for Saudi Arabia (see photo) and will soon be building F-15QA aircraft for Qatar. The company identified another potential customer in the Middle East, and, most likely, this is Israel

Advanced eagle

The US Air Force provided most of the funding, which allowed the Eagle fighter to "live" to the present day, but its future will undoubtedly ensure further sales abroad. To this end, Boeing took the F-15E as the basis for a multitasking option for the export market, called the Advanced Eagle. The previous draft of the invisible F-15SE Silent Eagle was not interested in foreign customers and was closed at the concept stage, although many of its technologies were used in the Advanced Eagle project.

“The Advanced Eagle is based on what the United States Air Force has been doing for the last 10-15 years. We do the same for overseas customers. These are routine upgrades and upgrades that the customers themselves want, first of all, this concerns radar systems and electronic warfare systems, said Parker. “We have slightly modified the airframe design and integrated some new technologies into the fuselage and wings.”

“From the perspective of cooperation with other countries, it should be borne in mind that they exploit a combination of single-seater F-15C and twin-seater F-15E. In the past 10 years, Boeing has been actively introducing new technologies, so the Advanced Eagle variant is quite consistent with modern needs. For existing F-15 aircraft, the life of the airframe is limited to about 9000 hours, while Advanced Eagles will boast more 20000 hours. ”

The following systems and equipment are offered for foreign customers: radar with AFAR: GE F-110-129 engine as the base (already installed on the supplied aircraft); JHMCS digital systems in the front and rear cabs; Digital EW Digital EW System (DEWS), which Boeing has taken as the basis for the development of the EPAWSS complex in order to reduce costs and risks; Lockheed Martin AN / AAQ-33 Sniper target designation and targeting container; IRST; missile attack warning system; VRAMS video recording and mapping system; digital instrument flight system; increase the number of nodes external suspension to 11; modern crew jobs with large LAD displays; ADCP II computer; display information on the windshield; and the EPAWSS complex.

The key option in the Advanced Eagle version is separate LAD displays for the front and rear cabins. LAD, developed by Elbit Systems under the designation CockpitNG (Next Generation), is based on a multifunctional touch display technology. The color touch screen takes up most of the display space available in the cockpit and provides the pilot with basic flight information and sensor data. Using technology developed for the latest generation of smartphones, the touchscreen display allows the pilot to drag and zoom the displayed information according to their preferences. Interestingly, the Saudi Air Force did not choose to install LAD on their new F-15SA (Saudi Advanced) fighter jets, instead choosing to save the traditional cockpit. Qatar will become the first customer of this option when it receives its F-15QA (Qatar Advanced) aircraft.

Another new element of the Advanced Eagle variant is the AMBER (Advanced Missile Bomb Ejector Rack) armament holder system, developed by Boeing in a proactive manner. According to Parker, the flight tests began at the end of the 2017 of the year, and negotiations are currently underway with a potential customer. After integration into the Advanced Eagle fighter, the AMBER system allows you to increase its equipment from 16 to 22 missiles.

“The armament complex for the Advanced Eagle is designed not only to combat modern threats, but also against persistent threats. When performing an escort mission, I can take AIM-16 Advanced Air-to-Air Missile [AMRAAM] Air-to-Air missiles on board an Advanced Eagle 120 fighter; four short-range missiles ATM-9X Sidewinder; and two High-Speed ​​Anti-Radiation Missile [HARM] high-speed anti-radar missiles. For precision strikes, I can take the 16 Small-Bomb Bomb [SDB]; four AMRAAM; one 2000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munition [JDAM]; two HARM; and two discharged fuel tanks. For anti-ship missions, I can take two Harpoon missiles; four false targets Miniature Air-Launched Decoy [MALD]; two sidewinder missiles; and two HARM rockets. ”

By ordering Saudi Arabia, Boeing provided aircraft production by the end of 2019, and if Qatar’s order was taken into account, production could go to the end of 2022. Another order from an unnamed customer will allow us to keep the production line until the end of 2020's, and this is a solid portfolio for the long term, providing jobs. Currently, aircraft production rates are 1,25 machines per month, but Boeing can increase production volumes and plans to do this if it receives another contract.

Over the past 10 years, together with foreign partners, Boeing has invested more than 5 billions of dollars in the Eagle platform. However, a headache for Boeing and its future plans for the Advanced Eagle platform is the newest F-35 fighter.

It seems that the F-35, declared as the only fifth-generation combat aircraft in service (except the inaccessible F-22 Raptor), can successfully compete for foreign markets. However, such aircraft as the Eagle are still in demand, mainly in the Middle East, where the F-35 fighter cannot yet be sold due to objections from Israel. This situation cannot last forever, and as soon as F-35 receives permission to export to this region, it will undoubtedly be sold there.

However, Boeing is optimistic about the prospects of the Advanced Eagle model, competition in general, and competition with F-35 in particular. Parker noted on this point that “the F-35 fighter may well cost 2020 millions by the 80 year. Today it is worth more than 100 millions and is aiming for the mark 94 million. Of course, in the future, with mass production, the price will drop to 80 millions, but I am sure that our prices for our aircraft will provide us with a decent future. ”

The F-15 fighter has some stealth characteristics, but it is a defective low-profile aircraft. Parker believes that this is not an obstacle, since this aircraft can complement the low-profile platforms. "We do not need to engage in fierce competition and break into closed doors, but if the competitors before us open these doors, then we will be able to offer our Eagle with such firepower that you immediately want to have."

“The F-15 fighter has a long range, it can perform a task for a long time in a given area, carrying an excellent weapon system on board. In addition, it has modern EW systems, a modern search-tracking system, from which airplanes with stealth technology and, finally, a system for exchanging information with fifth-generation airplanes cannot hide. We believe that for a reasonable price it is worth thinking about buying this proven machine. ”

On the materials of the sites:
www.nationaldefensemagazine.org
www.faa.gov
avia.pro
www.boeing.com
www.janes.com
www.airforce.com
aviationweek.com
www.avionews.com
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  1. san4es
    san4es 8 October 2018 09: 02
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    ... The "Advanced Eagle" we designed and ship today is not the same Eagle from the 70s ...
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 October 2018 12: 10
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    The F-15 in the version of the drummer has a large carrying capacity. He can take heavy anti-bunker bombs, for example. Or cruise missiles.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 8 October 2018 15: 04
      -4
      The most dangerous fighter in the United States. Well, it’s not surprising that the technologies stolen from the USSR with the help of a traitor will be dangerous for a long time.
      1. milling machine
        milling machine 8 October 2018 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        The most dangerous fighter in the United States. Well, it’s not surprising that the technologies stolen from the USSR with the help of a traitor will be dangerous for a long time.

        Oh, the cargo cult in action. After all, everyone knows that all the developments in the world are "stolen from the USSR." All over the world live completely dullards and degenerates, and only in the USSR did they come up with new technologies.
        Could you tell us in more detail what they stole from us for f15? There is a difference of 5 years between airplanes. The American used to fly.
        But you continue to believe in the analogue, and if there is, then they definitely stole from us.
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 8 October 2018 19: 17
          0
          I’m also interested in the fact that the evil Yankees stole from the USSR for their YF-15 fighter, which took off for the first time on July 27, 1972, and in 1974 the first production E-Fighter and Sparky TF-15A fighter appeared (F-15B), and long before the MiG-15 and Su-29 fighters.
          1. Usher
            Usher 8 October 2018 23: 03
            -3
            If interested, read
            1. merkava-2bet
              merkava-2bet 8 October 2018 23: 20
              +1
              What to read, and most importantly where and about what?
              1. Usher
                Usher 12 October 2018 09: 52
                0
                The history of military aviation, do you need to chew everything? What are you joking about?
        2. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 14 October 2018 08: 40
          +2
          Quote: frezer
          Oh cargo cult in action

          And you are not a kind of holy fool. In 1976, the most perfect MiG-25 interceptor at that time fell into the hands of the Americans. They used a number of ideas embedded in this machine for one of their best F-15 fighters, for example, two keels on the tail of an aircraft. On MiG, such a solution was used for the first time in the world. McDonnell-Douglas, who, during the design of the F-15 fighter, made “equal to the USSR” using layout solutions similar to the MiG-25. Prove that this is not so?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 October 2018 08: 47
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            Because of this Belenko goat, the whole s-h system had to be changed.
          2. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 14 October 2018 16: 27
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            As for who stole someone, we read an article from this site.
            No coincidence. Was the F-15 a copy of our MiG?
      2. victor50
        victor50 9 October 2018 12: 39
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Well, this is not surprising, the technologies stolen from the USSR with the help of a traitor will be dangerous for a long time. Of course, they certainly turned down, but there is a survivability potential

        I read that when our designers were developing the concept of the 4th generation fighter, they asked the pilots what they would like to see this fighter? The pilots answered "" How the F-15! ". I don’t remember when our people got to know it. Well, what did they steal from us that we could not implement them before, and for another 10 years (before the SU-27) we were jealous and caught up? winked
      3. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 9 October 2018 15: 00
        +2
        A prototype aircraft (called T-10-1) was built with AL-21F-Z engines and took off on May 20, 1977 (the pilot is Honored Test Pilot Hero of the Soviet Union Vladimir Ilyushin).
        Now attention.
        In 1979, three aircraft were in trial operation, and production of an installation batch of aircraft at the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur was also launched. Five aircraft were built, which were called the "Su-27 type T-105" and were used for flight tests and testing of equipment and weapons.

        At this time, data began to come about the American F-15. It turned out that for a number of parameters the machine does not meet the technical specifications and is significantly inferior to the F-15.

        A trend toward a deterioration in the performance characteristics of a new aircraft was already evident in 1976 when the T-10 models were purged in a wind tunnel at SibNIA. During the design, it was not possible to fully implement the theoretical developments in the field of aeroelasticity, including flutter, already tested at TsAGI, due to the lack of high-performance computing equipment. The research results were significantly behind the pace of aircraft construction [6].

        In addition, the developers of electronic equipment did not fit into the weight and size frames allocated to them, and the aircraft would receive a front alignment. Failed to realize the specified fuel consumption. The radar did not work normally.

        There was a difficult dilemma - either to bring the car to mass production and hand it over to the customer in the existing form, or to undertake a radical redesign of the entire machine. It was decided to start creating the aircraft practically from scratch, not to produce in a series a car that lags behind its main competitor in its characteristics [7].

        T-10S As soon as possible, a new machine was developed, the design of which took into account the experience of developing the T-10 and the experimental data obtained. And on April 20, 1981, the prototype T-10-7 aircraft (another designation T-10S-1, that is, the first production one), piloted by V. S. Ilyushin, flew up to the sky.

        And most importantly, when he began to enter service.
        Production of serial T-10S was started in 1981 at the 126th plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur (KnAAPO im. Gagarin). Serial production of AL-31F engines was mastered at two aircraft engine plants - Moscow Salyut Machine-Building Production Enterprise (MMPP) and Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (UMPO). Officially, the Su-27 was adopted by a government decree of August 23, 1990, when all the main shortcomings identified in the tests were eliminated. By this time, the Su-27 has been in operation for more than 5 years (since 1985). When adopted by the Air Force, the aircraft received the designation Su-27S (serial), and in air defense - Su-27P (interceptor). The latter had on board a somewhat simplified composition of the equipment and could not be used as a percussion machine (for ground targets).
      4. GibSoN
        GibSoN 2 December 2018 20: 29
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        technologies stolen from the USSR with the help of a traitor will be dangerous for a long time
        The most notable stuffing! Just TOP!
        PS Where did you come across an interview with GDP, where he directly asked why in military aviation, we are always in the role of catching up with the USA .. And the answer was like there was an advantage to it! You can take into account errors.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 9 October 2018 00: 23
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The F-15 in the version of the drummer has a large carrying capacity. He can take heavy anti-bunker bombs, for example. Or cruise missiles.

      And what will 9 tons of Penguin not be enough for you?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2018 20: 44
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        These weapons are not enough, which I have listed.
        The point is not only in the general carrying capacity, but in the location of the suspensions.
    3. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 9 October 2018 15: 20
      +2
      The F-15 in the U.S. Air Force was a pure fighter for gaining superiority in the air, not a strike machine, they had enough drums, moreover, the F-15A / B / C / D pilots did not even work out attacks on ground targets. Everything changed from F -15E, which made its first flight on December 11, 1986, created a unique strike machine, which in terms of aggregate combat qualities is unparalleled, so far.
  3. NF68
    NF68 8 October 2018 15: 18
    +1
    In this regard, Parker said that “Suite 9 is the first software that significantly enhances the capabilities of the new Advanced Display Cote Processor II computer. It is the fastest flight control computer in the world. It is capable of processing up to 87 billions of instructions per second. This is very important, since it is possible to use at full capacity the currently supplied electronic warfare complex. ”


    Most likely it is not about 87 billion instructions per second, but about 87 billion operations per second?
  4. EvilLion
    EvilLion 9 October 2018 19: 03
    +1
    The circus continues. Make a new airframe and insert a new filling under the guise of modernization. Well, maybe some items from the old car will remain.
  5. gromoboj
    gromoboj 10 October 2018 00: 06
    +1
    And we sell them titanium ....
  6. Errr
    Errr 10 October 2018 14: 43
    +1
    Upgrading the F-15 ... Welcome to our rake!
  7. Tuzik
    Tuzik 11 October 2018 16: 45
    0
    Are the engines the same? Since the 70s?
  8. Usher
    Usher 12 October 2018 09: 55
    0
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    I’m also interested in the fact that the evil Yankees stole from the USSR for their YF-15 fighter, which took off for the first time on July 27, 1972, and in 1974 the first production E-Fighter and Sparky TF-15A fighter appeared (F-15B), and long before the MiG-15 and Su-29 fighters.

    An order by the OKB to begin work on the creation of the MiG-25 aircraft (item 84, theme E-155) was issued on March 10, 1961. Factory tests of the prototype E-155R-1 machine began on March 6, 1964, and the E-155P-1 machine on September 9, 1964. And the Mig-29 and Su-27 were created in response, no one is hiding this, so do not look for all this crap here? I would call you as it should, but the site administration is apparently from your country.
  9. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 12 October 2018 18: 59
    -1
    Quote: Usher
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    I’m also interested in the fact that the evil Yankees stole from the USSR for their YF-15 fighter, which took off for the first time on July 27, 1972, and in 1974 the first production E-Fighter and Sparky TF-15A fighter appeared (F-15B), and long before the MiG-15 and Su-29 fighters.

    An order by the OKB to begin work on the creation of the MiG-25 aircraft (item 84, theme E-155) was issued on March 10, 1961. Factory tests of the prototype E-155R-1 machine began on March 6, 1964, and the E-155P-1 machine on September 9, 1964. And the Mig-29 and Su-27 were created in response, no one is hiding this, so do not look for all this crap here? I would call you as it should, but the site administration is apparently from your country.

    First of all, you write crap, the MiG-25 was created with an eye on the A-5 Wigelin, there is an article on this site on this subject, read it. And call yourself what you like, you are impudent ours.
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 12 October 2018 19: 06
      0
      Here is the title of the article,No coincidence. Was the F-15 a copy of our MiG?
  10. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 12 October 2018 23: 47
    +1
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    The most dangerous fighter in the United States. Well, it’s not surprising that the technologies stolen from the USSR with the help of a traitor will be dangerous for a long time.

    I still did not understand what kind of stolen technologies the USSR was talking about, if about the hijacking of the MiG-25, then this was later:On September 6, 1976, at 6:45, Belenko flew from the Sokolovka airfield (near the village of Sokolovka, near the Chuguevka district center) to perform a flight exercise [K 1]. At 9:15, Japanese radio broadcast that the MiG-25P (tail number 31), piloted by the Soviet pilot Belenko, landed at Hakodate Airport (Hokkaido Island). Subsequently, official notification was made by the Japanese authorities that Belenko sought political asylum. September 9, he was exported to the United States. The plane was dismantled, subjected to detailed study by Japanese and American experts and returned to the USSR on November 15, 1976 (Belenko protested against the return of the aircraft, advising the Americans to leave it for study for a couple more years). [4] It was again assembled, but was not allowed to fly and was used as a teaching aid at the Daugavpils Higher Military Aviation Engineering School of Air Defense named after Jan Fabricius.
  11. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 14 October 2018 16: 23
    -1
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Quote: frezer
    Oh cargo cult in action

    And you are not a kind of holy fool. In 1976, the most perfect MiG-25 interceptor at that time fell into the hands of the Americans. They used a number of ideas embedded in this machine for one of their best F-15 fighters, for example, two keels on the tail of an aircraft. On MiG, such a solution was used for the first time in the world. McDonnell-Douglas, who, during the design of the F-15 fighter, made “equal to the USSR” using layout solutions similar to the MiG-25. Prove that this is not so?

    And you open your eyes, I have already cited the dates of the F-15 flights, but you do not want to notice them butt, in addition, the MiG-25 was hijacked in 1976, by this time the F-15 was mass-produced. Here is my previous message .
    I’m also interested in the fact that the evil Yankees stole from the USSR for their YF-15 fighter, which took off for the first time on July 27, 1972, and in 1974 the first production E-Fighter and Sparky TF-15A fighter appeared (F-15B), and long before the MiG-15 and Su-29 fighters.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 15 October 2018 12: 02
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      Quote: merkava-2bet
      And you open your eyes, I already cited the dates of the F-15 flights,

      Not convinced !!!!! In 1967, even before the end of state tests, the MiG-25 decided to show at the air parade, which took place on July 9 in Domodedovo and was dedicated to the 50th anniversary of Soviet Power. From that moment, the design features of this unique aircraft were taken into account by specialists from the United States, who were handed over to them by the military representative at the US Embassy in Moscow, and who were present at the flight demonstration. The hijacking was the final of US betrayal and espionage towards the USSR. both in the USA and in Israel it works at the highest level. We need to study and study with you. That's all, you are tired of your trembling.
  12. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 15 October 2018 14: 56
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    Quote: Mar. Tira
    That's all, you are tired of your trembling.

    Nobody holds you here, you can go on all four sides, or be silent in a rag. And you do not need to rig the facts and praise the primitive MiG-25 interceptor, it is also a deli for technicians and flyers. The unique interceptor is the F-14 Tomcat and MiG -31 (M), and we can say YF-12A, which for one reason or another did not go into the series, but not the MiG-25.
  13. GibSoN
    GibSoN 2 December 2018 20: 26
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    Say what you like, but there is no forgiveness of Boeing for lobbying against the F-14)
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 December 2018 15: 26
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    Boeing has to move. Otherwise, Lockheed will finally knock him out of the fighter aviation segment.
    And the F-15 and F-18 will gradually leave.
    If there is a Pentagon tender for a new twin-engine fighter-bomber, then Lockheed with his experience with stealth is more likely to win.
    F-15 - a good aircraft, but has exhausted itself. And the price of a modernized airplane: under 130 million is not very attractive.