Project "Sketch": three guns complete tests

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In the interests of the rocket troops and artillery, new models of weapons and equipment are being created. Several new self-propelled guns of the new type were developed in recent years as part of the development work with the cipher “Sketch”. The new family of vehicles includes three combat vehicles with different base chassis and different weapons. According to the latest news, such equipment in the near future will be able to enter into service with the Russian army.

New messages about the progress and results of the draft “Sketch”, as well as about the equipment of this family appeared a few days ago. It is curious that the first news was announced at the official level. 30 September, on the eve of the Day of the Ground Forces, the publication of "MK" published an interview with the commander in chief of the ground forces Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov. The commander spoke about current work and future projects. Among other things, he mentioned new developments for artillery formations.




Self-propelled gun "Phlox". Photo T-digest.ru


According to the commander in chief, a promising artillery and mortar complex with the code "Sketch" is being developed. Systems from this complex are intended for use in the missile and artillery forces at the battalion level. All samples of the family are based on different chassis. Among other things, it provides for the adaptation of technology for operation in the Arctic.

October 3 new details of the project "Sketch" published an online edition of the NPK "Uralvagonzavod" T-Digest. In addition, in his message was present new information on the progress of work. According to the T-Digest, the Sketch family includes three samples of self-propelled artillery. These are the self-propelled guns "Phlox" and "Magnolia", as well as the self-propelled mortar "Drok". New "flower" systems have some common features, but at the same time they are seriously different from each other in all respects.

The development of a new family of technology led the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" (Nizhny Novgorod), which is part of Uralvagonzavod. This company has long been engaged in the development of artillery systems, and for some time its product catalog includes three promising products at once.

T-Digest indicates that all three artillery systems are currently under test. Moreover, they are already entering the final stage of the project. Thus, in the near future, three self-propelled guns can receive a recommendation for adoption, and then go into mass production. However, the timing of the completion of the tests and the possible start of service has not yet been specified. The publication at Uralvagonzavod costs the general wording and writes “very soon”.

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It should be noted that in recent reports we are talking about the well-known developments of the domestic industry. So, the development work "Sketch" started in 2015, and soon gave the first results. The prototype CJSC "Phlox" was first presented at the exhibition "Army-2016". The first show of the mortar “Drok” took place at the same event, although this development was demonstrated only in the form of a scale model. The third sample of the Sketch family, the Magnolia instrument, has not yet been demonstrated openly. Thus, in just the past few years, the Petrel Research Institute has created and brought to the test a promising artillery and mortar complex.


"Phlox", a view of the board and the stern. Photo NPK "Uralvagonzavod"


Back in 2016, some information about the goals and objectives of the projects was announced, as well as their technical details. New self-propelled guns, which, as is now known, belong to the same family, are intended for firing at enemy ground targets located at distances of up to tens of kilometers. CAO is proposed to be used when shooting from closed positions, while ensuring the possibility of hitting targets in a wide range of distances, including at minimum distances.

It was argued that the concept of a universal 120-mm gun on a wheeled chassis is being implemented in new projects. The armament already consists of the CJSC "Nona" and "Khosta" with similar weapons, but they were built on the basis of a tracked armored vehicle. It is expected that the use of wheeled chassis will allow to combine the fighting qualities of weapons and high mobility of automotive vehicles. The latter features are of particular importance because they allow to increase the survivability and combat effectiveness of self-propelled guns.

At the same time, the project "Sketch" provides for the installation of similar artillery systems on different chassis. This approach provides additional mobility benefits. Thus, the Phlox IJSC is built on a wheeled platform and is intended for use in areas with a developed road network and not the most difficult off-road. For more difficult areas, including the Arctic, created another version of self-propelled gun - "Magnolia". The presence of a floating tracked chassis gives such a combat vehicle obvious advantages.

As a result, the customer gets the opportunity to choose from several offers a car that best meets its requirements. Or there is an opportunity to distribute the equipment of several types in different regions and regions, given its capabilities and characteristics. From certain points of view, such an approach to rearmament has some advantages over the traditional construction of one machine for all needs.

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The Sketch family includes three artillery systems. Two of them have already been shown in the form of mock-ups or full-fledged prototypes. The third has not yet been demonstrated to the public, but its approximate appearance is already known. Also, the authors of the project have already published some of the characteristics of promising technology. All this allows you to make a fairly detailed picture, in which, however, there are still white spots.

CJSC "Phlox" is a 120-mm artillery system based on a three-axle armored car. The basis of this sample is the chassis "Ural-VV", rebuilt as necessary. In front of the chassis is a double-row cabin layout, behind which are two large blocks with the necessary equipment. Directly at the stern placed rotary device with a tool. The chassis is equipped with a hp 270 diesel engine. and transmission, providing all-wheel drive.


Models of promising technology from the Petrel Research Institute. In the foreground self-propelled mortar "Drok". Photo Soyuzmash.ru


The self-propelled gun was developed on the basis of the existing 2А80 product and unified with it for a number of units. The original design was seriously reworked, which made it possible to improve the accuracy and accuracy of shooting, as well as reduce the load on the chassis. Used 120-mm barrel without rifling, equipped with a semi-automatic shutter. With it, the gun can use both standard mortar mines and artillery shells of the appropriate caliber. This expands the range of tasks and makes the "Phlox" a direct analogue of the serial "Vienna" and "Hosts." Ammunition guns consists of 80 shots. Of these, 28 are in the so-called. operational styling.

"Phlox" is completed with a modern fire control system, which includes navigation and control tools for guiding guns. An interesting innovation are the sensors that track the position of the trunk. With their help, after each shot, you can restore the tip. According to the ballistics, “Phlox” corresponds to “Vienna”, as a result of which the firing range of conventional shells reaches 8-10 km. Active-jet fly to 15-17 km.

The crew has an armored cabin that protects them from small arms. weapons and splinters. In addition, for self-defense, it is proposed to use a remote-controlled combat module with a Kord machine gun. Next to him on the roof of the cab are mounted products 902B.

The appearance of the CJSC Magnolia has not yet appeared in open sources, but certain features of this machine are already known. According to recent reports, this project involves the installation of tools from the "Flox" on another chassis. The latter is a two-link tracked carrier DT-30. Apparently, a modification with armored compartment is used, and the rear link is allocated for the installation of an artillery system.

DT-30 is equipped with a hp 710 diesel engine. and a special transmission that drives the tracks of both links. Between themselves, the two bodies of the conveyor are connected with a special assembly, including hydraulic actuators. With curb weight 28 t, the conveyor is able to carry up to 30 t cargo. The new gun type 2А80 does not have a large mass, and therefore the "Magnolia" must remain a large stock of carrying capacity. It can be used to increase ammunition or improve crew conditions.

NPK "Uralvagonzavod" and the Ministry of Defense have not yet shown the CJSC "Magnolia" to the public, however, the existence of a prototype of this type is already known. It is possible that soon the prototype will receive its share of attention.


DT-30 transporter is the basis of the promising IJSC Magnolia. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The self-propelled mortar "Drok" also exists in the form of a prototype, but at the exhibitions so far only mock-ups of such equipment were shown. With their help, the designers clearly showed the main provisions of the project, the architecture and capabilities of the combat vehicle. First of all, it should be noted that the new mortar on a self-propelled chassis is very different from previous domestic developments in its class.

The base for "Drok" was a two-axle armored car "Typhoon Airborne", originally designed for the installation of various weapons. The new project provides for the use of a special combat module mounted on the roof. This module is a tower with mounts for an 82-mm mortar. The barrel is placed on recoil devices, but it can be removed if necessary. In this case, the mortar turns into a wearable and is used with a biped and base plate of standard types.

The “Grok” combat vehicle is designed to solve the same tasks as other mortars of all classes. The characteristics of 82-mm mines make it possible to effectively solve fire support tasks at the battalion level. According to the developer, the self-propelled gun “Drok” carries with it 40 mines and shows the rate of fire to 12 shots per minute. The firing range is from 100 m to 6 km.

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In recent decades, the need to transfer artillery systems of all main classes to self-propelled chassis has become obvious. At the same time, the construction of ACS of traditional appearance is not always possible or advisable. All this becomes the prerequisites for the emergence of new original models of artillery equipment, significantly different from the previously created ones.

According to the reports of the last few years, the Petrel Research Institute and the Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation under the Sketch project managed to create three versions of self-propelled guns at once, distinguished by comparative simplicity with sufficiently high combat characteristics. In addition, they have good mobility, contributing to increased vitality. In this case, two samples of the three, being equipped with special tools, are able to perform the functions of guns, howitzers and mortars.

Previously, the components of the new artillery-mortar complex appeared only at exhibitions, but by now projects have advanced far ahead. According to recent reports, the Phlox, Magnolia and Drock have already entered state trials and are nearing completion. After all the necessary checks, new vehicles can enter into service with ground or airborne troops.

On the materials of the sites:
https://mk.ru/
http://t-digest.ru/
https://rg.ru/
http://tass.ru/
https://tvzvezda.ru/
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  1. +1
    8 October 2018 06: 06
    The towed guns have already become obsolete. All artillery must be self-propelled and must have anti-splinter armor, well, except that 82- and 120-mm mortars must be carried so that they can shoot out of the trenches.
    1. +3
      8 October 2018 07: 05
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      The towed guns have already outlived themselves. All artillery must be self-propelled

      But Americans don’t know laughing ... They have almost all their artillery towed, one ancient "Paladin" self-propelled.
      Although in fact the idea is correct, self-propelled guns are much more mobile, and, accordingly, they can go to specified positions much faster and also leave them quickly if necessary. But they are much more expensive.
      1. +6
        8 October 2018 07: 18
        Quote: inkass_98
        And the Americans don't know. They have almost all their artillery towed, one ancient "Paladin" self-propelled.

        They know. Just equipping your artillery with normal self-propelled guns is hindered by the requirement of mandatory helicopter gun transport
      2. +5
        8 October 2018 07: 21
        Quote: inkass_98
        ... self-propelled guns are much more mobile, and, accordingly, they can go to specified positions much faster and also leave them quickly if necessary ...

        Yep ...

        Only self-propelled guns cannot be transported, for example, by helicopter:



        And if a self-propelled gun suddenly died, its cannon also "breaks down". Although it is, as it were, quite serviceable.
        With towed artillery, everything is much simpler: there the tractor is separate, change and drive on. Conclusion:

        All sorts of mothers are needed
        All sorts of mothers are important
        1. +4
          8 October 2018 07: 38
          One paragraph is enough [i]
          The self-propelled gun was developed on the basis of the existing product 2A80 and unified with it for a number of units. The original design was seriously redesigned, which increased accuracy and accuracy of fire, as well as reduce the load on the chassis. Used a 120-mm barrel without rifling, equipped with a semi-automatic shutter.
          ] [i] to assess the "competence" of the author of the article.
          1. 0
            17 December 2018 10: 06
            The chassis is not Ural-VV, but Motovoz-m
        2. +5
          8 October 2018 07: 46
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          With towed artillery, everything is much simpler.

          Right They shot a short fire raid in one minute, and you need to throw a disposable gun. For to get him out of the retaliation will not work.
          1. 0
            8 October 2018 11: 28
            And without towed guns, you may not even have a short fire raid: strategic mobility of towed guns is out of competition, although with tactical tactics it certainly merges everything. That's interesting, but what is the probability of defeating the gun itself in the counter-battery struggle? What if the calculation is washed off with the sights (well, or in the dugout hole zanykayetsya, if someone has lagged behind), and the guns book armor devices (trunk and gun carriage fragments survive, I think)? Any zoos after all determine the area, and not the specific position of the guns.
            1. +2
              8 October 2018 16: 19
              Quote: bk0010
              And without towed guns, you might not even have a short fire attack: strategic mobility of towed guns

              ... the same as a light self-propelled guns at a car base. Do not forget about the tractor / car for ammunition.
              1. +1
                8 October 2018 16: 22
                They can be mobilized from the national economy of the area where it began ...
                1. 0
                  8 October 2018 16: 25
                  By the way, what did you finish the Vienna, that they took up the new 120-mm self-propelled mortar? Or completely abandoned?
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2018 16: 36
                    Quote: bk0010
                    By the way, what did you finish the Vienna, that they took up the new 120-mm self-propelled mortar? Or completely abandoned?

                    Finished and abandoned, considered too expensive for battalion artillery
                2. +1
                  8 October 2018 16: 35
                  Quote: bk0010
                  They can be mobilized from the national economy of the area where it began ...

                  Can. And pray that she did not get up at the wrong time.
        3. +1
          8 October 2018 11: 29
          But what about the Mi-26, it’s capable of lifting 20 tons on the suspension, and its cargo ramp allows it to transport self-propelled guns inside the cargo compartment, well, of course, except for the DT-30.
      3. +2
        8 October 2018 08: 25
        Quote: inkass_98
        But they are much more expensive.

        But for the ACS, less calculation is required. The Msta self-propelled gun has a crew of 5 people, and the towed analog has 8 people. In a total war, less reckoning is a huge advantage.
        1. +1
          8 October 2018 09: 20
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          But for ACS requires less calculation.

          ======
          And this, of course - too! But the main advantage of self-propelled guns over towed artillery is still the speed of deployment and collapse (withdrawal from positions) !!! In a modern war, where radar, acoustic, and electron-optical artillery reconnaissance systems are used quite widely, this plays a really HUGE role!
          Yes, plus booking (even a light bulletproof and anti-shatter) - also helps to save the lives of crews (crews)!
          1. +2
            8 October 2018 10: 23
            Quote: venik
            In a modern war, where radar, acoustic, and electron-optical artillery reconnaissance systems are used quite widely, this plays a really HUGE role!

            Tools for detecting guns along the trajectory of shells are already used, therefore, in modern artillery the most important quality, in the first place is mobility and speed of change of position. After several volleys, the self-propelled gun battery must immediately leave the firing position so that it is not covered by enemy return fire. The calculation of towed artillery is simply doomed to destroy the enemy with counter-battery fire, especially since the calculation of towed artillery does not have anti-fragmentation protection. Several shells next to the gun’s position will smell, and that’s all, the calculation was destroyed by splinters, the truck was also cut by fragments and was deprived of travel, and it was a comedy. Therefore, now towed artillery is the same atavism as the chains and columns of the attacking infantry in full growth in World War I against machine guns, shrapnel and barbed wire. The use of towed artillery in a future war will bring only vain sacrifices and expenses.
            As for booking, yes, self-propelled guns have the advantage that they have ballistic protection, so self-propelled guns can be destroyed either with a direct hit or with a large-caliber projectile in the immediate vicinity of the self-propelled guns - up to three meters. And this is very unlikely. Therefore, self-propelled guns are very resistant to counter-battery fire.
            1. +1
              8 October 2018 14: 35
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              After several volleys, the self-propelled gun battery must immediately leave the firing position so that it is not covered by enemy return fire.

              Even during the Cold War, in the notorious "ZVO" in an article on artillery reconnaissance radar, it was written that with modern (at that time) automated control systems for artillery fire, combining all artillery reconnaissance means and systems for calculating enemy artillery positions, issuing target designation and data for firing, from one position a battery ACS can give 3-5 volleys. Then - quickly change the position, because the current one has already been opened, and the response can arrive within 5 minutes after opening fire.
            2. +1
              8 October 2018 14: 42
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Therefore, now towed artillery is the same atavism as the chains and columns of the attacking infantry in full growth in World War I against machine guns, shrapnel and barbed wire. The use of towed artillery in a future war will bring only vain sacrifices and expenses.

              That you are counting on the Great War. And in low intensity wars taming and releasing the Zusuls that the United States and its allies are now engaged in, the key is the tactical mobility of artillery. Because the enemy does not have artillery, but his forces always need art support. But these forces act in such places. in which a full-fledged self-propelled gun will go for a year - until the road is built.
              So the towed airmobile guns remained - exclusively in the niche of "a big gun for a small war."
              Vietnam in a new way - artillery bases, in the radius of fire of which their own infantry operates. We cleaned one area - the artillery was transferred to a new temporary artillery base.
          2. +1
            9 October 2018 20: 02
            "helps to keep the calculations alive", and it is worth a lot. Let's take any towed analogue of "Phlox" and ask the crew: "How do you like as potential targets"? After all, ANY stray shell and shrapnel can fill the calculation, and one sighting burst (RDG can act) and "hello to parents"
    2. BAI
      0
      8 October 2018 09: 37
      Have you tried to dig a self-propelled gun? Mass and overall characteristics have not been canceled.
      1. -1
        8 October 2018 10: 15
        And what prevents the self-propelled guns from making self-digging devices like on tanks? Anyway, there is no point in hiding the self-propelled guns in the trench, since self-propelled guns, after several volleys, immediately change their position. Self-propelled guns do not hide in the trench for an ambush. SPGs are not a tank. Here tanks shoot direct fire from ambushes, so they have self-dipping devices. Self-propelled guns shoot from closed positions, they do not sit in ambush.
      2. +1
        8 October 2018 11: 38
        This is the last century, from modern mines and shells no digging can effectively help anymore.
      3. +2
        8 October 2018 16: 37
        I tried. Thanks to self-dipping equipment, self-propelled guns are dug much faster
    3. -1
      12 July 2023 05: 45
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      The towed guns have already become obsolete. All artillery must be self-propelled and must have anti-splinter armor, well, except that 82- and 120-mm mortars must be carried so that they can shoot out of the trenches.

      You are carrying complete nonsense!
  2. 0
    8 October 2018 13: 29
    How did Drock understand the mortar on the roof? Strange decision. In many ways, a strange decision. More information about the reasons for this placement.
  3. -1
    8 October 2018 15: 02
    I do not quite understand for what purpose these ACS are created, and for which enemy they are designed. If to fight the partisans, then this is one thing. It is a waste of money to fight a strong enemy. A potential war with a strong adversary implies that a strong adversary constantly controls the opponent's rear, tens of kilometers from the line of contact. This is already a reality, which is allowed by a variety of technical means. What will a Caesar ACS (for example) do with a Phlox ACS using these technical means? If the firing range is 8-10 km, then such a machine should be smaller, cheaper, and more mobile than the "Phlox", which is comparable to the "Caesar" in terms of weight, size and price. However, "Phlox" as if not. I would like to see him in action, albeit at the test site. I do not like "remakes". The old school was better. There was less PR, more business.
    1. +1
      8 October 2018 16: 03
      It is necessary to have all types of weapons, absolutely you can’t calculate everything. And if the opponents are equal, then the weapons can come in handy different for a specific situation.
      1. -1
        9 October 2018 01: 50
        If you do not calculate, but immediately create "Phloxes" in metal, then Russia "will fly into the pipe." Compare the budget of the RF Ministry of Defense with the budgets of a potential enemy. Size matters a lot. Therefore, you should calculate, calculate and calculate before spending budget money.
        And if you create absurdities for the purpose of sale, then only for private money.
        Caesar has long been on sale. The price is approximately 2,9 million dollars. Weight: 17,7 t.
        There is no Phlox on sale, so there can be no price. But its weight: 20 tons.
        (link: https://masterok.livejournal.com/3223200.html)
        Yes, it can come in handy against an adversary who does not have Caesar. But maybe it’s better to buy Caesar yourself.
        And please read carefully:
        If the firing range of 8-10 km, then such a machine should be smaller, cheaper, and more mobile
  4. 0
    8 October 2018 16: 00
    Speed, accuracy and mobility - that's what distinguishes the modern army. New times and new requirements are inseparable ... well done designers.
    1. -1
      9 October 2018 02: 12
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Well done designers.

      What good fellows? I do not deny, but ask.
      Have you seen firing from this prototype? The calculation work should be very interesting. Look from this angle:
      https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/166616/137106206.775/0_1f92f8_efb93483_orig.jpg
      I suspect that Phlox will need to call on graduates of the circus school.
      Or do you only praise the designers for the "new requirements"? And they got to do with?
      1. 0
        11 October 2018 02: 08
        what is wrong in view?)
  5. 0
    8 October 2018 16: 26
    Where did the "rifling" go? Disorder. Return.
    https://topwar.ru/100267-samohodnoe-artilleriyskoe-orudie-floks.html
    https://topwar.ru/7933-sao-2s34-hosta.html
    If the truth is "smooth" post a link to the source, otherwise children read, get confused. drinks
  6. 0
    9 October 2018 09: 44
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCiz-FOnjo
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 15: 31
      Just about, in Myanmar (Burma), Kenya, and Bangladesh already have "Burrows". So "Phlox" will not be in demand in these regions. I don't know who will buy it.
  7. 0
    9 October 2018 16: 07
    ... makes Phlox a direct analogue of the serial Veins and Hosts.

    Alas! the self-propelled gun "Vienna" did not become serial (even the presence of an ICBM on the BMP-3 did not contribute).
  8. 0
    9 October 2018 17: 54
    Quote: inkass_98
    They have almost all of the towed artillery ...

    In heavy brigades - self-propelled, in the light and medium Striker (O and BT aerotransportable VTS S-130) - towed, everything seems to be logical.
    Here, in my opinion, Msta-S (152/47) is far from in all motorized rifle / tank units (brigades and regiments).
  9. -2
    10 October 2018 21: 50
    It seemed to me alone that "phlox" is very similar to the recently presented Ukrop "bogdana"? But where, then, are the devastating comments?
    1. -1
      25 November 2018 10: 16
      Phlox has been demonstrated for several years (for example, a link to information from VO in 2016 - https://topwar.ru/100267-samohodnoe-artilleriyskoe-orudie-floks.html). And the differences from Bogdan are visible to the naked eye. So the draft is not counted :)