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From what distance did the Israeli Air Force F-16 strike at targets in the SAR

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In an interview with a newspaper newspaper columnist "TVNZ" Viktor Barantz, the former general director of the head system design bureau of the Almaz-Antey concern, Igor Ashurbeyli, spoke about how Russian C-300 systems can affect the situation in Syria and throughout the Middle East. Fragments of this interview are published on the website of the TV channel. "Star".


According to the former representative of the leadership of the Air Defense Concern, the options for closing the airspace of Syria depend on exactly where the anti-aircraft missile systems of Russian production deployed in the SAR will be deployed.

At the same time, Igor Ashurbeyli called the exact distance to Israeli aircraft at the moment when they were dropping guided bombs. According to the ex-general director of the Almaz-Antey State Design Bureau, this distance was approximately 100 km. Igor Ashurbeyli noted that if the CAA combat duty in Syria at that time were the C-300 air defense system (and the contract for the supply of these complexes was concluded in the 2013 year, but Moscow was forced to suspend its implementation at the request of Israel), then the Israeli F- 16, by definition, would not be able to make an approach so close.

From what distance did the Israeli Air Force F-16 strike at targets in the SAR


In an interview, Igor Ashurbeyli shared his thoughts on whether there is a competitor to the modern Russian anti-aircraft missile systems in the world today. He noted that, in fact, the only competitor for the same C-300 today is the US Patriot.

Ashurbeyli noted that the Americans have improved these air defense systems, "stealing something from Russia." The theft, as claimed by the interviewee, occurred during the development of the Russian concern anti-aircraft missile systems C-400.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 October 2018 07: 00
    +4
    ... beat on take-off, so that the Jews themselves duralize in color. smile
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 5 October 2018 07: 10
      0
      It is believed that in Syria are the S-300, but with the characteristics of the S-500. smile
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 5 October 2018 07: 28
        +22
        The main thing there is that the calculations should be with the characteristics of the S-500 wink
        And what about the fact that the S-300 is garbage - and I see how from "garbage" the aphedrons have been blazing with Israel and the United States for years - and why are they nervous - they will "defeat everyone"? laughing
        Curves are some kind of fairy tales
      2. Maz
        Maz 5 October 2018 07: 37
        -1
        C500 this is the c300, only advanced
      3. tlauicol
        tlauicol 5 October 2018 10: 28
        -2
        Quote: Thrall
        It is believed that in Syria are the S-300, but with the characteristics of the S-500. smile

        It is believed that the S-500 is not yet, and will not be soon
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 5 October 2018 10: 44
          -1
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Quote: Thrall
          It is believed that in Syria are the S-300, but with the characteristics of the S-500. smile

          It is believed that the S-500 is not yet, and will not be soon

          Israel always has its own separate opinion hi
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 5 October 2018 10: 46
            +3
            Firstly, I am Russian, and secondly, this is true. wet dreams you won’t get much negative
          2. nemo778
            nemo778 6 October 2018 21: 17
            0
            hi shalom .... to the descendants of Moses. hi
        2. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 5 October 2018 10: 57
          0
          Already there is, the truth is still far from the series, and no one will supply the B-S-500 because there is no need, there are enough other means.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 5 October 2018 11: 04
            0
            in our galaxy, definitely not
            "almost complete," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday:
             "S-500, which is now being created at the exit"
            Quote: Redfox3k
            Already there is, the truth is still far from the series, and no one will supply the B-S-500 because there is no need, there are enough other means.

            practice shows that it’s not enough (although the S-400 and EW Krasukha have been in Syria since 2015)
        3. StudentVK
          StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 23
          -2
          There is an opinion that there is no nuclear weapon in Russia and is not expected soon))))))
      4. mr_Flint
        mr_Flint 5 October 2018 17: 26
        +1
        S-500 Brabus Edition
        1. StudentVK
          StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 23
          -1
          S500 Prometey
    2. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 5 October 2018 07: 10
      +2
      "Iskander" and at airfields, at taxiing.
    3. The comment was deleted.
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 5 October 2018 07: 53
        +6
        Only ours will be either speckled or special forces from the Strategic Missile Forces, and they are trained to such that they consider themselves cooler than flies, fighting only with barmaley - to eat for breakfast.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Cheldon
            Cheldon 5 October 2018 09: 16
            +7
            Quote: Lex.
            Frightened the dog with a loaf of your specialty

            Don’t answer for your special equipment. There guys work smarter than you. And the tongue is not sweeping like a broom.
          2. Cannonball
            Cannonball 6 October 2018 17: 33
            0
            If anything, with a return visit, "Caliber" can fly ... straight into the barracks of your special forces.
      2. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 5 October 2018 08: 02
        +9
        Again you for your own, "I will win all!" Special Forces? So the special forces still need to get to the PU. And 4 is it PU? I doubt it. And there will be kosher special forces at the S-300 positions, a warm meeting will be organized for them. You can be sure. Yes, and destroying a PU is a little different from blowing up a Bedouin tunnel. So don't say gop.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 5 October 2018 08: 26
        +4
        And we will accept the specials too, it’s not for you to play cat and mouse with the Syrians.
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 5 October 2018 08: 40
          -8
          Well where was he
          this one does not know, but you can recall the operation entebe
          1. Alexey Novikov
            Alexey Novikov 5 October 2018 09: 38
            +3
            It is noteworthy in your bravado that you boast of events exclusively 50-70 years ago.
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      4. Evil543
        Evil543 5 October 2018 08: 33
        +5
        Dear, will you be in the forefront of this special forces?
      5. Grits
        Grits 5 October 2018 08: 35
        +5
        Here I agree with the Jews - 4 PU is really nothing, a mockery of common sense. After the Jews roll up these PUs with a mass attack, ours will begin to whine, saying that it’s not fair. Now, if we had 40 PUs there, then we would show everyone Kuzkin’s mother. So what are you waiting for? Show right away
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 5 October 2018 08: 42
          +5
          A massive attack is a war provoked by Israel, and then they can’t stop talking about "anti-terrorist against Hamas" wink And "in response to the shelling of Israel." But of course, more is needed.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 5 October 2018 10: 21
            +5
            And why massive - 3-4 links, something like that. Moreover, I do not think so. What the Iranians will build on 4 base per month.
        2. NKT
          NKT 5 October 2018 09: 04
          +2
          So for the protection of 40 PU how many of our special forces there? They still need to be dispersed in the districts, plus cover with shells, plus the Buki or Torah still connected, as an addition, and all this must be protected.
        3. Bully
          Bully 5 October 2018 10: 23
          +4
          Quote: Gritsa
          Here I agree with the Jews - 4 PU is really nothing, a mockery of common sense

          You do not understand the most important thing. 4 PU is not enough if each of them is on its own. But this decision has not been relevant for a long time. The launchers will be included in the general network and will be able to receive target designation from any source: satellite, ship, AWACS aircraft, etc. Now calculate the number of aircraft that can be dropped by these launchers, taking into account the 50% probability of hitting one missile. At the same time, one should not forget that these systems will certainly be covered from any small things.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 5 October 2018 10: 29
            +2
            Here I also agree with the Russians. We need a "system". Arabs are difficult to teach. Will you sit by yourself?
            And yours should be with decent experience hi
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 5 October 2018 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Shahno
              Here I also agree with the Russians. We need a "system". Arabs are difficult to teach. Will you sit by yourself?
              And yours should be with decent experience hi

              Well, experience is quickly gained on the Israeli F16
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 5 October 2018 10: 53
                +3
                The main thing is to get good. And not to make virtual "tags" during exercises.
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 5 October 2018 11: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Shahno
                  The main thing is to get good. And not to make virtual "tags" during exercises.

                  It all depends on you now.
              2. brigadier
                brigadier 5 October 2018 11: 37
                -1
                Quote: MKPU-115
                Quote: Shahno
                Here I also agree with the Russians. We need a "system". Arabs are difficult to teach. Will you sit by yourself?
                And yours should be with decent experience hi

                Well, experience is quickly gained on the Israeli F16

                They may not be in time. This is not sarcasm. No.
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 6 October 2018 01: 25
                  +1
                  Do not have time to get to the airport. wink
            2. Bully
              Bully 5 October 2018 11: 30
              +1
              HZ, according to the idea of ​​ACS, is also used to minimize human participation in decision-making. The operator is usually only required to confirm the decision made by the computer. The tendency is that the user's qualifications are steadily declining with the development of "cybernetics" lol
            3. NordUral
              NordUral 6 October 2018 13: 30
              +1
              You climb - we will be typed and we, and Syrians.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 5 October 2018 14: 27
            +3
            Quote: Bully
            taking into account the 50% probability of hitting a single missile.

            What kind of missiles are you talking about? At C-300 all missiles with a probability of 0,86 and higher ... So, in a normal situation, and one for the eyes is enough. Another thing is that in the 2's algorithm a missile salvo is laid down, for guarantee. But the second, as a rule, finishes off the debris from the first ...
            Quote: Bully
            these systems will certainly be covered from blows by small things.
            Including from heavy sniper rifles with D firing at 2-2,5 km? (Yankee experience during Desert Storm) ... Here you will also need turntables with search groups, IR and anti-sniper systems, and much more ... up to petal minefields around the base and SAM positions .. ...
            So, not everything is as simple as it seems at first glance ...
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 5 October 2018 14: 00
          +4
          Quote: Gritsa
          After the Jews roll up these PUs with a mass attack, ours will begin to whine,
          Do you believe that the God-exiled are so stupid that they will climb to storm our C-300? It seems to me that the management of Hel Haavir, on the contrary, warns his flyers against provocations. And they will not enter the Hezbollah goals from our bases, but quite the opposite. Just to start planning ABs you need to climb high (at 9-90km, 10-100 km the planning range of AB). Well, if a mess starts, then Delilah will draw. And she has a launch range of up to 400km (450?). She and everything with brains are all right - she remembers the location of the radar, and they are protected from REP, and the subtle ...
          So, it’s better not to start. By and large, we also do not need to strengthen the pro-Iranian forces in the region. Therefore, there will be no attacks on our C-300. For some reason I think so. yes
      6. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 09: 05
        +1
        Oh, don’t flood it here. We saw your ciret matkal, mediocre everything is very.
        1. Warrior2015
          Warrior2015 5 October 2018 09: 51
          +5
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          We saw your sairet matcal, mediocre all very

          Can you clarify, where and when? it's just interesting to talk to someone who has encountered this unit ...
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 5 October 2018 09: 58
            -3
            He’s probably about Iranian prostrate, they couldn’t catch 500 km ... wassat
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 5 October 2018 11: 20
              0
              Quote: Shahno
              He’s probably about Iranian prostrate, they couldn’t catch 500 km ... wassat

              Could not catch up? It turns out they also run poorly ..... wassat
            2. Warrior2015
              Warrior2015 5 October 2018 12: 22
              +3
              Quote: Shahno
              This is he probably about the pro Iranian, 500 km could not catch up

              There was no such thing as a saeret, the Mossad people managed to do it themselves, but the Iranians only died a few hours later, when the Israelis took the truck with the docks and were in two cars almost in Azerbaijan ...

              Here is my article about this by the way: https: //topwar.ru/147684-sovsem-ne-novichok-ili-kak-mossad-raskryl-atomnye-tajny-irana.html
          2. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 19: 11
            0
            I won’t clarify - I don’t remember, I'm sorry.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 October 2018 10: 20
          0
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          Oh, don’t flood it here. We saw your ciret matkal, mediocre everything is very.

          Materialists are ordinary special forces — no better and no worse than other similar units in the world. The whole thing in planning operations and behavior during an emergency is strong in improvisation due to selection criteria and special training.
          1. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 19: 15
            0
            I wanted to get by tactfully, but it didn’t happen. That matkal that saaret frankly weak. More show-offs and mythologization than efficiency. In principle, star sickness was wobbling.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 October 2018 21: 02
              0
              Matkal is the General Staff. Saeret is a special forces laughing
              Together - special forces of the General Staff. Efficiency - I do not know, I have never worked with them. At the military school, he was alone with me on the course. Stupid and strong. I don’t know others, therefore, unlike you, I can’t say anything about the unit as a whole ...
              1. UMA-UMA
                UMA-UMA 6 October 2018 00: 42
                -1
                Yes, I am aware of both the headquarters and the special forces, just sarcasm. And about weak combat readiness, it’s me without sarcasm.
      7. FREGATEN
        FREGATEN 5 October 2018 09: 06
        0
        Then again, our guys will deliver corpses from Syria to you?
      8. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 5 October 2018 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: Lex.
        We will send special naz, you don’t worry, you don’t even know the relief of Syria 4 pu this is not even a division with 12 firing installations it is something

        Will you send something?
        So tell it to your special forces laughing and they will send you on a long erotic journey wink
      9. Redfox3k
        Redfox3k 5 October 2018 10: 59
        -1
        Your special forces in refugee will disappear. It will dissolve. You will not see him anymore. Pity their families better. And moderate your ambitions for the common good.
      10. Piramidon
        Piramidon 5 October 2018 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: Lex.
        We will send special

        You’ll go first in the front row, Special Forces hero?
      11. StudentVK
        StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 28
        0
        Already ours, it seems to you, hinted that there, besides the C300, many other surprises will be waiting for you. Beeches and Shells, Torahs)) And electronic warfare including!
      12. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 6 October 2018 16: 08
        +4
        You will not send anything, Jewish friends :) Just rpatsya in the forum. And even for at least 6 of the month you will not shoot at Syrian С300. And you know why - there will also be Russian soldiers, and if you kill someone else, you will get not the 4 but the 44 division and the no-fly zone from Gibraltar to Mars. And this hemorrhoid you do not need.
  2. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 5 October 2018 07: 08
    +2
    so show them your developments so that they can steal nothing from us. and about finding the C300, they need to be reassigned to the command of the Syrian counterpart in Syria so that they themselves can decide when to use weapons, otherwise the cancer on the turtles from Moscow will arrive to hang down , from our base there will be only a pile of memories ...
    1. Alexey Novikov
      Alexey Novikov 5 October 2018 09: 40
      +2
      Apparently, this meant the sale by Belarus of the USA of the S-300 complex in 1995.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 October 2018 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: ANCIENT
      С300, they need to be reassigned to the command of the Syrian counterpart in Syria, so that they themselves can decide when to use weapons, otherwise the cancer on turtles from Moscow will reach ...
      Do you seriously believe that air defense in the ATS is led from Moscow !? belay
      I am truly sorry for you! smile
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 October 2018 07: 09
    +9
    So far, Israel has been overshooting about the S-300, which indicates its serious concern. Let’s see when the complexes take up combat duty, how the Jews will start to behave, and whether they dare to try to destroy the S-300, which has been repeatedly stated.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 5 October 2018 07: 14
      +3

      rotmistr60 (Gennady) Today, 07: 09 NEW
      +1
      For the time being, Israel is overshooting about C-300

      ... when a rooster is carried on a stump with an ax, he also does not believe and yells ... smile
      1. Weight
        Weight 5 October 2018 08: 56
        0
        It’s he screaming at his carrier, let’s go, let’s go; the century of will to see lol
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 October 2018 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Jews ... whether they dare to try to destroy St. 300, which has been repeatedly stated.
      It seems to me that the Israeli military leadership and officials stated only that they would not stop operations against the bases and infrastructure of Hezbollah on the territory of the SAR. Something I did not hear about the destruction of C-300. Or did I miss this?
      Secondly, it seems to me that everything will calm down over time, and the deployed air defense systems will protect our bases from accidents during the next coalition missile attack on the ATS and SAA objects, and, as usual, on a far-fetched pretext.
      Well, the Yankees can’t get out of Syria for the last time without loudly slamming the door! You need to be prepared for this ...
      1. ver_
        ver_ 6 October 2018 14: 54
        0
        ... interesting - Jewish volunteers will go from Russia to Israel to defend their homeland with their flesh and blood, but they will only help with a piece of gold ..
    3. StudentVK
      StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 32
      0
      Yes, I'm sure that it will be like in Egypt in the 1970s, when our air defense stood along the Suez Canal! How many Israel lost planes !!!
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 October 2018 07: 17
    +3
    In vain, Israel is swaggering about the S-300. This is a serious weapon, and it should not be underestimated ... The only question is - who will be sitting at the remote control ... I suspect that our Israeli friends will not like the answer wink
    1. Weight
      Weight 5 October 2018 07: 40
      +10
      And at this time, the Israeli girls are swaggering:
      1. Wolverine
        Wolverine 5 October 2018 08: 49
        0
        Quote: Kettlebell
        And at this time, the Israeli girls are swaggering:

        Ah handsome, well, I am so amused, I am lying under the table ... good wassat
      2. Cheshire
        Cheshire 5 October 2018 09: 26
        +5
        belay Why so in the morning? You won’t forget this until evening, day down the drain ...
      3. Bully
        Bully 5 October 2018 11: 37
        +1
        Quote: Kettlebell
        And at this time, the Israeli girls are swaggering:

        - Hello, Fira! I quarreled with Abram!
        He insulted me! He spat in the pan
        with borsch! He slammed the door and said that
        will go to corrupt girls! Fira, I will die!
        Is he not with you?
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 5 October 2018 07: 18
    +3
    An article of comfort? Like, now everything will be fine for sure? Okay, I prepared the paint "for knocked down" to paint ...
  6. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 5 October 2018 07: 19
    +8
    It is a pity that secrets in Russia, like water in a sieve, do not linger. Yeltsin's comprador "elite" caused incalculable harm to Russian society.
    1. LMN
      LMN 5 October 2018 07: 32
      +1
      Quote: bratchanin3
      It is a pity that secrets in Russia, like water in a sieve, do not linger. Yeltsin's comprador "elite" caused incalculable harm to Russian society.

      Why did you decide that the stated is: "secret" or "truth"?
      1. Weight
        Weight 5 October 2018 07: 42
        +1
        It can be seen so much I want it to be true .. And for Yeltsin, I agree with him, with him everything * dawned *
        1. LMN
          LMN 5 October 2018 07: 46
          +3
          Yeltsin then clearly affects the "range" of the S-300 smile
  7. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 5 October 2018 07: 22
    +2
    but Moscow was forced to suspend its implementation at the request of Israel),
    This is how Israel should have ask forTo force Moscow? Moscow, according to statements, is conducting an independent policy. This issue should be clarified.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 5 October 2018 07: 30
    -2
    Guessing ... la-la-la .... guessing.
    And in nature EVERYTHING will be seen!
  9. kuz363
    kuz363 5 October 2018 07: 34
    +4
    "According to the ex-general director of GSKB Almaz-Antey, this distance was about 100 km." So this distance was to a place above the Mediterranean Sea, which is called international waters. And what, the S-300 will shoot down the plane over these waters? And how will they see for 100 km, whether the plane has dropped bombs or just flies like that?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 October 2018 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: kuz363
      And how will they see beyond 100 km, drop a plane bomb or just fly?

      Pancake! The question, of course, is interesting!
      1. With normal (not inconspicuous) planning AB, this was visible on the overview screen (device No. 1). The operator screamed in a bad voice: "Observing the separation of the target!"
      The fire controller gave the command: "Take target # 2 for tracking", - the operator's report: "I am following the target! P = .. D = .." After that, the controller confirmed the capture of the "PM 6G" or KR target and allowed shooting .. But it was half the distance!
      Now the hemorrhage will be many times more: they will cover up with interference, the PAB itself is hardly noticeable, there is no IR signature, and even with interference devices ... Horror !!! yes
      2. We stated that we will shoot down carriers when attacking our objects ... So get a Jew, a grenade! What is there to think if PAB flies through a bearing? she didn’t draw from the vacuum! am
  10. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 5 October 2018 08: 04
    -2
    These deliveries would have happened sooner or later (if they had not been made earlier, which is also not a fact)
    http://postskriptum.org/2013/05/06/spartan/
    And one more question gets in the way - if they bombed from 100 km, how then could they "hide" behind the IL?
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 5 October 2018 10: 13
      +2
      And one more question gets in the way - if they bombed from 100 km, how then could they "hide" behind the IL?

      About the way the Sun sometimes hides behind the Moon ...
  11. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 5 October 2018 08: 06
    +4
    Ashurbeyli noted: during the development of the Russian concern S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, some secrets were stolen by the Americans. At that time he was the general director of OJSC NPO Almaz. Under his leadership, the S-300 Favorit, the S-400 Triumph were developed, and most importantly, the design of the S-500 systems was completed. Who passed the secrets? And on the S-500, too, the information went overseas? How was he able to perfectly learn English at school? And the millions that he has from now?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 5 October 2018 08: 12
      +1
      Isn't that the one who said that a 70-year-old "mole" was found in Almaz? laughing lol
    2. StudentVK
      StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 38
      -2
      I think about the C400 is bullshit! We are already accustomed to pouring “insider” out after a retirement)))) C300 yes, but not Favorite) They seemed to have bought from Belarus at the time! C300 PU like.
    3. KCA
      KCA 7 October 2018 10: 05
      0
      In fact, what is now called "Antey 2500" was developed by order of South Korea, is it strange that much could leak from them to the United States?
  12. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 5 October 2018 08: 08
    -3
    According to IL-20: they gave the monkey a machine gun, 15 children were killed. Now they will give grenades ...
    1. Detective
      Detective 5 October 2018 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: Victoria-In
      According to IL-20: they gave the monkey a machine gun, 15 children were killed. Now they will give grenades ...

      Are you talking about Israel? No Americans give them! Or are they Americans ... Although what's the difference ?!
    2. Robin - Bobbin
      Robin - Bobbin 5 October 2018 09: 11
      +4
      Other monkeys - banderlogs, bring down passenger planes ...
    3. shans2
      shans2 5 October 2018 12: 16
      +2
      You have already answered for Sevastopol, ahead for Boeing ...
    4. StudentVK
      StudentVK 6 October 2018 05: 45
      -1
      SKA again! Again, Israel is not guilty! Already radar screens showed! Not ! The Syrians are to blame for the fact that the Jews first deceived us with the bombing zones, and then the bombing of a sovereign state decided to hide behind our plane! On their radars they saw that there was a huge Russian plane and still realizing that they were conducting a bombing, they would set the Russian aircraft under retaliatory fire and did not back down! After that, let them go through the forest!
  13. Larum
    Larum 5 October 2018 08: 36
    +2
    Empty article
  14. UMA-UMA
    UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 08: 51
    -5
    Russia is failing to fulfill its only goal in the SAR - to demonstrate to the world its combat power. Rather, our country demonstrates its complete helplessness in the conflict with the regular armies - Turkey and Israel, the United States, rapidly losing its credibility in the international arena. However, in the fight against the irregular forces - a gathering of weakly armed barmaley, the successes are also not impressive: for 9000 b / in 4000 destroyed. Placing several C300s in the SAR does not solve the problem of ensuring the security of our contingent; to solve such a problem, much larger funds are needed, which the Russian Federation does not have. In order to confront Israel in the SAR, our air force and air defense forces need to increase 3-4 times, we need another 2-3 airbases and their reliable protection by ground units. We cannot afford such an increase, otherwise we will greatly expose the defense of our own territory. This will require 15-20 ships, which are simply nowhere to take, the same number of transport ships and at least a few anti-ship batteries. This is the only way to restrain Israel - it must understand that a clash with the Russian Federation with a continuation is impossible, in view of the growth in scale, and for such a possible build-up we need the above forces. And a few s300 will only provoke our arrogant and narcissistic "partners" - the temptation is very great to destroy these installations in order to show once again their power and determination. And destroying several three hundred is not such a great task for the IDF, and they will do it, and again shame and senseless losses.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 October 2018 09: 04
      -1
      Do you all fight mrs? laughing
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 09: 08
        0
        No Unfortunately. But I hope 82 oh again.
        1. UMA-UMA
          UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 09: 09
          0
          With time.
        2. Warrior2015
          Warrior2015 5 October 2018 09: 55
          +7
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          No Unfortunately. But I hope 82 oh again.

          In general, adequate people in Russia believe that it would be better if it did not repeat ... (if you are talking about the Bekaa Valley)
          1. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 19: 20
            -1
            I'm talking about Israeli torch-planes shot down by our air defense calculations. Dozens of such torches. And about the friendly visit of Kuznetsov to the ports of the Red Sea.
      2. stone
        stone 5 October 2018 09: 58
        +4
        Not a day without an article. Sofa troops must fight every day! lol Unlike the real ones, God forbid.
    2. Bully
      Bully 5 October 2018 10: 42
      +4
      And where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation in Syria has such a task? Cheap show-offs as a demonstration of power certainly should not be dealt with. Russia has the task of maintaining the loyal Assad regime with all the ensuing consequences: a secular state, the presence of Russian military bases, participation in the oil and gas business, etc., that is, everything is pragmatic. Hence the strategy with tactics. And to fight with Israel and Turkey head to head with conventional means complete idiocy IMHO
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 19: 23
        0
        Did you hear yourself ?! We shot down aircraft - Turkey and Israel, shot down in response to your idiocy .... do you feel fine?
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 October 2018 15: 27
      +1
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      This is the only way to restrain Israel

      Pancake! science fiction: "IsraEl the Irresistible"! (part 1) fellow
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      a collision with the Russian Federation with a continuation is impossible, in view of the increase in scale,

      And the States (sponsors of Israel yes ) know about it !? -- Not??? -- What a pity!!!
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      to destroy several three hundred is not such a great task for the IDF,

      That's what they twitched in hysteria! Maybe they didn’t understand something because of their poor mind?
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      the temptation is very great to destroy these installations
      Well yes! And they have objects of hizbala to cover up their intention to destroy our air defense systems !!!
      At you well thought up !!! fellow
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 5 October 2018 19: 25
        0
        Congress has just signed military aid to Israel for 38 yards for 3 years. This is just this year. And so of course, Israel is coping without the help of the United States, huh. The rest is even too lazy to comment - some sort of children's laughs, tweaks.
  15. arhPavel
    arhPavel 5 October 2018 09: 17
    +2
    No matter how useful and good these complexes are, without trained personnel they cannot do anything.
    This is where the SAA can catch IVS, one can treat them differently, but the Air Force has an advantage in this.
  16. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 5 October 2018 09: 22
    0
    It is very sad that US intelligence receives secret information on the S-400, and on hypersonic missiles (recent scandal and arrests) .... where do our special services look? After all, this is a state secret and state security !!!
  17. 046
    046 5 October 2018 09: 27
    0
    Quote: Lex.
    We will send special naz, you don’t worry, you don’t even know the relief of Syria 4 pu this is not even a division with 12 firing installations it is something

    if that your special forces will align with the relief and everything will be exactly
  18. Shahno
    Shahno 5 October 2018 09: 32
    +1
    It is clear that they were throwing from a hundred kilometers. So it is possible from the "ceiling". And than it will prevent to make an attack, then only if psychologically. So a link can "39" - approx 16x4 = 64 for one target.
    It is interesting how to determine whether there was a discharge from 150 km or not, that all "sides" in a row will be shot down. Although the Arabs can.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 6 October 2018 15: 09
      0
      Obviously they will beat everyone in a row. Just in case. And in the international space. ! 00 km - this is not the territory of Syria over the Mediterranean Sea?
  19. 046
    046 5 October 2018 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Lex.
    Frightened the dog with a loaf of your specialty

    Before our IL, your freedom was in actions due to the loyalty of GDP, but the games are over and if something doesn’t seem enough to you
  20. Rostislav
    Rostislav 5 October 2018 09: 40
    -1
    but Moscow was forced suspend its implementation by request Israel

    Is this according to the principle "The request of the chief is a double order"? Mr. Ashurbeyli places high on the Jews. Or did the journalist try?
  21. tlauicol
    tlauicol 5 October 2018 09: 46
    +2
    Shoigu announced the delivery of 4x S-300 air defense systems and training calculations for 3 months. One thing is clear - in Cyprus in the village. year is better not to relax!
  22. Elephant
    Elephant 5 October 2018 10: 27
    +2
    And our spies do not exist at all, who could also "copy" the American "Patriots" for the subsequent modernization of our S-300 and 400? gelikah after the academy, etc. Something is wrong in our kingdom!
  23. 3vs
    3vs 5 October 2018 11: 08
    +1
    But you can’t do radar on anchored airships?
    Power / cable information, more and more all-round visibility than regular C300 ...
  24. Old26
    Old26 5 October 2018 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: Jerk
    Only ours will be either speckled or special forces from the Strategic Missile Forces, and they are trained to such that they consider themselves cooler than flies, fighting only with barmaley - to eat for breakfast.

    Special from Strategic Rocket Forces? And why not from star landing? Damn, you read it and your hair stands on end - SPECIALTY FROM STRATEGIC MISSILE TROOPS will act to protect anti-aircraft systems ??? Oh well. And the special forces of the internal troops (former), they are just sharpened on just such .... am

    Quote: Gritsa
    Here I agree with the Jews - 4 PU is really nothing, a mockery of common sense. After the Jews roll up these PUs with a mass attack, ours will begin to whine, saying that it’s not fair. Now, if we had 40 PUs there, then we would show everyone Kuzkin’s mother. So what are you waiting for? Show right away

    This is not just a mockery of common sense. The smallest unit capable of completing the task was a division. 4 installations is still about nothing ...

    Igor Ashurbeyli noted that if the S-300 air defense systems were on duty on the SAA in Syria at that time (and the contract for the supply of these systems was concluded in 2013, but Moscow was forced to suspend its implementation at the request of Israel), then Israeli F-16s, by definition, would not be able to fly so close.

    Stupidity says Ashubeyli, although he was a former CEO. Or he has already repealed the laws of physics by his decree. Interestingly, it is such a concept as the radio horizon takes into account? Even using towers, what is the S-300's radio horizon? They, these F-16s, when did they actually spot it? When did they rise from the SMV to a height of 10 km?
    It’s another matter that the Israelites might not have carried out bombing, had the S-300 been there, but this is again ephemeral. What would be the training of calculations, the calculations of those two minutes of bombing would be enough to detect targets, take them to escort and shoot. And it is not known where these complexes would be based. This is also not the last meaning.

    Quote: NKT
    So for the protection of 40 PU how many of our special forces there? They still need to be dispersed in the districts, plus cover with shells, plus the Buki or Torah still connected, as an addition, and all this must be protected.

    It is easier and cheaper then to include Syria in Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation than to fence this garden ... Do you want to repeat Afghanistan? There, too, "shuravi" were friends for some, enemies and invaders for others. Syria is the same cauldron. Now, when there are several thousand of ours there - this is one thing, when there will be several tens, or even hundreds of thousands - quite another ...

    Quote: Bully
    Now calculate the number of aircraft that can be dropped by these launchers, taking into account the 50% probability of hitting one missile.

    Tiny amount. With a probability of hitting a target of 0,5, 0,98 missiles will be needed to hit an object with a probability of 6 (rather high probability). 4 launchers are 16 missiles. With a guarantee, drop 2 planes. After that, it takes about half an hour or an hour to recharge. Do you think planes will wait for the launchers to recharge?
    1. Bully
      Bully 5 October 2018 16: 02
      0
      Stary26, 2 rockets per plane isn’t enough? 6 is a bit too much, I agree.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 October 2018 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Even with towers, what is the C-300 radio horizon?

      Volodya, well, I didn’t expect this from you! It seems to be from the old guard ...
      RLO 64Н6. It is capable of detecting BRs at a distance of up to 1000 km and moving at speeds up to 10000 km / h, as well as RS at a distance of up to 300 km.
      36D6 can also be used to provide a set of data for early detection of targets. It can detect missile targets flying at an altitude of 60 m at a distance of at least 20 km, at an altitude of 100 m - at a distance of 30 km, and at high altitude - at a distance of 175 km. In addition to it, 64Н6 can be used, which can pinpoint a target at a distance of 300 km. The HBO 5Н66 radar on the 40В6 tower 24,4 meters high - increases the far detection boundary to 90 km.
      Quote: Old26
      If the probability of hitting a target in 0,5, to hit an object with a probability of 0,98 (rather high probability), you will need 6 missiles.

      DO NOT repeat nonsense after neophytes! The S-300 SAM missiles have no probabilities of aerial targets lower than the 0,86! Therefore, in the salvo 2 SAM, not 6!
      But!
  25. maksud13
    maksud13 5 October 2018 13: 49
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    The smallest unit capable of completing the task was a division. 4 installations is still about nothing ...

    This is still an incomplete division (in full 6 PU) with the command post of the regiment - it is visible so far for training purposes. Plus some ammunition load on the TZM.
    So while the delivered equipment can be used really for training.

    Quote: Old26
    They, these F-16s, when did they actually spot it? When did they rise from the SMV to a height of 10 km?

    Do you take into account that GBU and other missiles fly at full range if they are launched from an altitude of more than 8 km, at which they are not needed for detection and towers?
    Towers are needed to work on targets at low and very low altitudes - less than 100 m
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  27. high
    high 5 October 2018 14: 28
    +3
    Igor Ashurbeyli at the same time named the exact distance to Israeli aircraft at the moment when they carried out the discharge of controlled bombs. According to the ex-director general of Almaz-Antey, the distance was about 100 km.

    Finally, the official denied the “inaccuracy” of the Russian Defense Ministry that the Israeli plane was hiding behind the IL-20.
    It was about this “inaccuracy” that Russian (in particular, Air Force Colonel Alksnis) and Western professionals wrote: an Israeli plane couldn’t hide behind, IL-20 -, a smart bomb, GBU-39 was dropped from a distance of up to 110km does not use GPS. and it’s impossible to shoot it down, it is not even visible by S-300 and S-400 radars.
    Radars and satellites showed that the time difference after a bombing attack on an Iranian base and an Il-20 shot down was more than 30 minutes. ..... Israeli planes were already at their base.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 October 2018 19: 41
      +1
      Khmeimim did not see the F-16 at the time of their attack. EW ... Fighters were spotted by the radar of one of the ships of the Russian Navy.
      The sailors contacted Khmeimim. They sent a reconnaissance plane to "figure it out."
      The Syrians, waking up from the bombings of planning bombs on the ground, were already firing ...
      This is the most likely scenario.
      The Moscow Region superimposed radar pictures at different times on one picture and got what they wanted.
  28. high
    high 5 October 2018 14: 56
    -1
    Quote: UMA-UMA
    No Unfortunately. But I hope 82 oh again.

    You are right the defeat of 1982. should not be repeated, then in the Bekaa valley there were more powerful Syrian air defense.
    Israeli military believes the S-300 is not a problem for them, but politicians fear that the S-300 would not hit civilian aircraft, because the airport is not far away ... Russian civilian planes also land there ...
  29. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 5 October 2018 15: 13
    -2
    Quote: Snail N9
    70-year-old "mole" revealed in Almaz?

    "Moles" don't live that long ...
    if they, of course, are not of Jewish nationality !!! bully
  30. Nabludatel_56
    Nabludatel_56 6 October 2018 09: 44
    0
    Ashurbeyli was not the general director of GSKB Almaz-Antey. I wonder where he gave an interview to Baranets? In the bay of Agios Spiridonas in the Poritia region of northern Kerkyra? Who is Ashurbeyli, Scientific Director of the International Center for Aerospace Research in Vienna, Editor-in-Chief of the international space magazine "Room" in London, or the main seller of Russian air defense secrets in Russia?
  31. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 October 2018 13: 36
    0
    Before interviewing a reporter, one should ask - who is Ashurbeyli to give such interviews? Why was this "specialist" - an oilman by education, a co-operator who suddenly surfaced at Almaz-Antey in troubled times - kicked out of the post of general director?
  32. dolfi1
    dolfi1 6 October 2018 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Warrior2015
    Quote: UMA-UMA
    We saw your sairet matcal, mediocre all very

    Can you clarify, where and when? it's just interesting to talk to someone who has encountered this unit ...

    He means Netanyahu. wink
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  34. Old26
    Old26 6 October 2018 21: 46
    -1
    Quote: Bully
    Stary26, 2 rockets per plane isn’t enough? 6 is a bit too much, I agree.

    There is such a book "Handbook of the Air Defense Forces Officer". There is also a table of probabilities and everything else. Even one missile with the probability of hitting a target can shoot down an aircraft. But when calculating a 100% probability of hitting a target, the calculations give 6 missiles. How much in real life - no one knows. It depends on many factors. Use of jamming by aircraft, training in calculations, target designation (on time) and much more. So these 16 missiles on the launcher are enough to guarantee the destruction of two targets. Amazed more - for God's sake. But as they say, "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"

    Quote: BoA KAA
    RLO 64Н6. It is capable of detecting BRs at a distance of up to 1000 km and moving at speeds up to 10000 km / h, as well as RS at a distance of up to 300 km.

    Sasha! I don’t know where you read these data, but the parameters of the 64H6 type of radar are lower (optional. I removed the dimensions of the antenna and the speed of movement).

    TECH SPECS:
    Detection Range, km 300
    Maximum speed of tracking targets, km / h 10000
    Number of targets followed, up to 100
    Deployment time, up to min. five

    Can add
    • Range of destruction of aerodynamic targets - depending on version.
    • Range of destruction of ballistic targets - from 5 to 40 km.
    • Range of destruction on low-flying targets - 28-38 km

    Low-altitude detector (HBO-1) 76N6 (on the tower 40V6MD)
    • Target detection range at extremely low altitudes - within the radio horizon
    • Target detection range at an altitude of 500 m - 90 km.
    • Target detection range at an altitude of 1000 m - 120 km.

    It doesn't smell like a thousand kilometers, Sasha. Detection range of approximately 300 km (plus or minus half a hundred)

    https://iz.ru/792721/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi-aleksei-kozachenko/radioelektronnyi-shchit-minoborony-razvorachivaet-v-sirii-sredstva-reb
    http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=11388.0

    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    DO NOT repeat nonsense after neophytes! The S-300 SAM missiles have no probabilities of aerial targets lower than 0,86! Therefore, in a salvo 2 missiles, not 6! However!

    I did not confuse. I told him how many missiles would be needed with a probability of hitting a target with one missile equal to 0,5. With a probability of 0,98 - yes, of course 2 missiles


    Quote: maksud13
    Do you take into account that GBU and other missiles fly at full range if they are launched from an altitude of more than 8 km, at which they are not needed for detection and towers?
    Towers are needed to work on targets at low and very low altitudes - less than 100 m

    I know that very well. Here are just the words of Ashubeyli that they could not come to such a distance cause doubt. At a distance of 100 km they approached. And they are unlikely to be spotted before they reach the dump height