Who will rule Novorossia tomorrow?

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In the unrecognized republics, personnel shortages are becoming more and more urgent. The budget sphere and the state sector experienced a shortage of qualified specialists, especially young ones, even before the outbreak of the civil war. Today there is a catastrophic shortage of not only ordinary employees, but also managers.

Who will rule Novorossia tomorrow?




At the moment, the Donetsk and Luhansk republics are experiencing a critical shortage of qualified civil servants and middle and senior managers. Directors of structural divisions, departments and entire departments are dismissed. Many leave for Russia or Ukraine. Russia is chosen much more often: the Ukrainian authorities for working in state structures of the “terrorist” LDNR may well incriminate complicity in terrorism (Art. 258-3 and 1), and this is from 8 to 15 years in prison. Many simply do not want to hold responsible posts - to find a person at least even for the position of a school principal is already quite problematic today.

There are many reasons: with more than a modest salary (the chief specialist gets about 10 thousand rubles, the head of the department gets about 20 thousand rubles “dirty”) a lot of unsolvable questions fall on the shoulders of managers. The first thing to remember about the legislation, which is in its infancy. Some sections are taken in a frame format and exist only on paper; some aspects in the republics are not at all concerned. For example, the Supreme Court, the arbitral tribunal, civil courts do not work in the LC. The solution of many controversial issues stretches over the years without hope of a happy outcome.

At the same time, the controlling bodies from the Ministry of State Security and to the Ministry of Emergency Situations do not make any concessions to state employees and civil servants. Any violations are punished to the fullest extent, despite the physical ability to eliminate violations. A simple example. Last summer, the Emergencies Ministry conducted a routine check of secondary schools. Many institutions have identified violations, which can not be eliminated without changing the layout of buildings or expensive work. There is no money in the budget for the modernization of buildings, much of which was built 60-70 years ago, and is not expected. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Emergency Situations ruthlessly fined the directors of educational institutions.

Another factor that poisons the lives of civil servants and state employees is a complex reporting system. Where Russian legislation cannot be used as a model, Ukrainian legislation is used. The result is an incredible confusion. Reporting is strict - institutions must report even for the purchase of paper and stationery, household chemicals. At the same time, reporting forms change almost every week. Local officials are forced to submit each quarterly report with the introduction of corrective amendments. All this creates bureaucratic chaos, which affects not only the population of the republics, but also the officials themselves.

At the same time, many managers have to perform not only their duties, but also to pull work for their colleagues, who have decided to look for happiness in more fat fields. 50-70% of the state works in many budget and government institutions. Nobody wants to go to vacant positions, but the requirements of the governing and supervising structures do not become softer.

This situation has already led to legitimate results: random people are often placed for vacant positions; many receive a profile education externally, already occupying a management position. As a result, the portfolio of the Minister of Culture can easily get a choreographer from a vocational school, and the position of the heads of departments is a recent cashier. On the ground, the situation is even sadder. Natural result: a new tribe of “managers” is afraid of responsibility as fire, in every possible way it is denied from making any decisions, but there is nothing to say about the initiative. Let's just say: no one wants and does not know how to work.

Again, no one has canceled the good old “family contracts”, when close and distant relatives and friends are appointed to senior positions, regardless of their education or professional qualities.

For the sake of justice, it should be noted that a similar situation is developing in the people's militia. The salaries there are certainly much higher, but the bureaucratic chaos, the impracticable demands of the “controllers” and other internal contradictions gradually lead to an acute shortage of sane officers.

As a result, New Russia is on the threshold of a brave new world in which leaders can disappear as a class. And if now amateur state structures, even if not flawlessly, but continue to fulfill their duties, then the day is not far when responsible posts will be occupied by completely unprofessional cadres.
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  1. +4
    5 October 2018 05: 19
    The lack of good managers is a problem throughout the post-Soviet space ...
    1. +10
      5 October 2018 07: 07
      Quote: Vard
      this is a problem throughout the post-Soviet space ...

      ------------------------------
      For comprador regimes, a good specialist is a knife to the throat, he can find a solution to the problem or organize it. And this is very bad for organizing theft. As a result, we have turbidly and bearish in Russia, turchinovye and parubiev in Ukraine.
    2. +16
      5 October 2018 07: 17
      . As a result, New Russia is on the verge of a brave new world in which leaders can disappear as a class.

      . the specialist receives about 10 thousand rubles, the head of the department - about 20 thousand

      The result of a brilliant Kremlin policy. From a once rich region, a fragment of Donbass turned into a second Abkhazia (or Transnistria). Further prospects are equally vague. Hopes for positive change, there is simply nowhere to come from.
      1. -2
        5 October 2018 08: 07
        Quote: Stas157
        The result of a brilliant Kremlin policy.

        And can you talk about the brilliant policy of the Kremlin in more detail?
        1. +11
          5 October 2018 09: 09
          Quote: Boris55
          And can you talk about the brilliant policy of the Kremlin in more detail?

          Of course. Since the obvious for you is not visible, I will write in a nutshell about this. As a result of the policy of appeasement and the Minsk conspiracy, the Russian Spring that had begun began to stop in the Donbas. As a result, there is no peace or war, but every day there is a shelling of civilians, people are dying (the other day a girl was killed by a medical instructor, and before that two boys in a mine exploded). The shooting of all people's commanders (those who were for the nationalization of property). All the largest industrial enterprises are still owned by Ukrainian oligarchs !! This is what people fought for ??
          Non-recognition (or rather recognition of Ukraine) of Donbass. Not inclusion. The imposition of the puppet government by curators from the Kremlin ... All these things have been written and discussed more than once.
          1. -7
            5 October 2018 09: 55
            Quote: Stas157
            As a result of the policy of appeasement and the Minsk conspiracy, the Russian Spring that had begun began to stop in the Donbas.

            When the CIA organized the LPNR, the "Minsk Agreements" were the only option to stop the genocide in the Donbass and the civil war throughout Ukraine. If you have forgotten the Kremlin, in the person of Putin, asked not to hold a referendum - no! The desire to bend under the West turned out to be stronger. As a result, we have what we have and as you wrote: "Shooting out of all people's commanders", "All the largest industrial enterprises still belong to the Ukrainian oligarchs !!"

            Quote: Stas157
            The imposition of the puppet government by curators from the Kremlin

            This is where you got it? By what decree did Putin appoint someone to a neighboring state? Suma then do not go.

            "Minsk Agreements" across the throat are both Poroshenko and the West. In my opinion, they and you stood across the throat.

            If there were no LDNR, if Ukraine were whole, not when would Bandera not have been reeling up on such a scale as now. The vast majority of the population in Ukraine lives in the industrial East. In the farmer west - a minimum. In any election, the last word would be left to the pro-Russian population of Ukraine. That's why the CIA conducted this operation - only by contrasting the east of Ukraine to the west of Ukraine, they managed to put in the power that exists today.

            Do you happen to work for the CIA by accident, or just by the call of the heart? laughing
            1. -3
              5 October 2018 10: 03
              Quote: Boris55
              Do you happen to work for the CIA by accident, or just by the call of the heart?

              Boris, IMHO, he is thoughtlessly, exclusively.

              And so Stas, actually, cute ... and simple (C) laughing
            2. +8
              5 October 2018 10: 22
              Quote: Boris55
              When the CIA organized LDNR

              Boris, did you write this in a sober mind?
              Quote: Boris55
              The desire to bend under the West was stronger.

              LDNR caved in under the West ?? Boris, it's hard for me to discuss with you!
              Quote: Boris55
              "Minsk Agreements" across the throat are both Poroshenko and the West. In my opinion they and you have become across your throat.

              The Minsk agreements were called treacherous, first of all, militias in the Donbass. I will remind you that based on the results of these agreements, Donbass is recognized for Ukraine. Here is such a cunning plan. And there is no alternative to it, according to one figure.
              Quote: Boris55
              Do you happen to work for the CIA by accident, or just by the call of the heart?

              Do you happen to happen that you don’t get treatment in a psycho hospital, or do you just live there at the call of your heart?
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And so Stas, actually, dear ... and simple

              Yes, Kitty, you studied me well!
              1. -6
                5 October 2018 11: 20
                Quote: Stas157
                I will remind you that based on the results of these agreements, Donbass is recognized for Ukraine.

                Is that not so? Once again - the whole Ukraine is beneficial for us. Only her integrity will allow her to remain pro-Russian. This was very well understood in the West. All elections held earlier in Ukraine clearly showed this.

                Once again: LDNR is a project of the West. Try to look at the events in LDNR from this position. Perhaps then a lot of illogical things will become logical for you.
                1. +4
                  5 October 2018 12: 26
                  Once again: LDNR is a project of the West.

                  Ahem, ahem, excuse me, why did Russia from the very beginning take part in the CIA project?
                  Maybe then for you a lot of illogical will become logical

                  Here you are just doing this. This name was also invented - the windows of Overton. Make the illogical begin to seem logical.
                  Election, say?
                  Firstly, the entire admin resource is on a short leash - count as you want.
                  Secondly, the share of Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the electoral lists is 14%. No separation of these regions changes the outcome of the election.
                  Thirdly, according to your logic, then the APU did not have to confront the militias and try to recapture the territory. On the contrary, it was necessary to give the entire territory of the regions in order to remove these same 14% of voters from the electoral process.
                  1. -3
                    5 October 2018 13: 04
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    why then Russia from the very beginning began to take part in the CIA project?

                    Is it Girkin that personifies Russia? belay He is the representative of the fifth column in Russia, consisting of feeding the West. It was he who brought the CIA Wishlist in the Donbass to life. It was he who became the catalyst for the civil war in Ukraine. Brewed porridge - and escaped.

                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Secondly, the share of Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the electoral lists is 14%.

                    I'm not only talking about them. I am pro-Russian citizens of all Ukraine. According to the results of all elections, Ukraine remained pro-Russian.

                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Thirdly, according to your logic, then the APU did not have to confront the militias and try to recapture the territory

                    The wrong message in the second paragraph of your post, led to incorrect conclusions in the third.

                    Without war, the West tried to conquer Ukraine from the beginning of perestroika, and only after the outbreak of the civil war did they succeed.
                    1. +3
                      5 October 2018 15: 40
                      It was he who brought the CIA Wishlist in the Donbass to life.

                      Yeah, CIA agent of influence (nowadays catchword) CIA Girkin, fulfills the mission of the CIA and leaves for Russia. Our special services know and allow it. Do you want to say that? Okay, the state machine does not punish the traitor Girkin for what he did. Although which is simpler, the article is for mercenaries and in jail. I want to hear your arguments.
                      This is the first thing. And secondly, why did Russia continue to implement the CIA plan after "not controlled by Russia" Girkin?
                      I'm not only talking about them. I am pro-Russian citizens of all Ukraine.

                      For whom in the 2014 elections did pro-Russian Ukrainians in the eastern regions have to vote? Name, please. And I will show you that you are in the clouds.
                      The wrong message in the second paragraph of your post, led to incorrect conclusions in the third.

                      When you answer the second question, we will come back to this point. I will not point out that my "first" you decided not to notice.
                      1. -2
                        6 October 2018 11: 21
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And secondly, why did Russia continue to implement the CIA plan after "not controlled by Russia" Girkin?

                        Yes, it’s all for the same reason why to fulfill the IMF plan for pension reform. CIA henchmen in the administration of Russia since the beginning of the 90's have not gone anywhere. The formed pro-Western elite has ruled the country since the beginning of 53. The FSB and other law enforcement agencies are instruments of power and until the authorities say the face, the Girkins will do what they are told.

                        According to the pension reform, the elite openly, insolently presented Putin with an ultimatum: either do as the western master ordered us or houses, trains, planes to fall, etc. will explode.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Name, please.

                        Read the entire list please.
                      2. 0
                        6 October 2018 11: 55
                        CIA proteges in the administration of Russia since the beginning of the 90s haven’t gone anywhere.

                        Yeah, it turns out the Russian government-a puppet?
                        I remember that in 14-15 the federal puppet channels (and what they can still be, since the government is a puppet) vigorously promoted the idea of ​​the "Russian World". Following your logic - is the Russian World a project of the West?
                        According to the pension reform, the elite openly, insolently presented Putin with an ultimatum: either do as the western master ordered us or houses, trains, planes will fall, etc.

                        Did Putin tell you or is this the elite? When did you present it? Where did you present it? Any specific delegate from the "elite" or they came in a crowd and vied with each other to present?
                        Read the entire list please.

                        Please.
                        The list of presidential candidates in the elections in Ukraine in 2014 (I’ll highlight in bold any weight. Although no, I won’t, it’s more interesting laughing ): Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Lyashko, Gritsenko, Tigipko, Dobkin, Rabinovich, Bogomolets, Tyagnibok, Simonenko, Yarosh, Grinenko, Konovalyuk, Saranov, Boyko, Malomuzh, Kuzmin, Tsushko, Kuybida.

                        "Name, sister, name!" ))
                      3. 0
                        7 October 2018 08: 29
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Yeah, it turns out the Russian government-a puppet?

                        Didn't you know? belay

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Is this Putin told you or is this the elite?

                        Not. Medvedev, when contrary to Putin’s opinion on the 7 of May of this year about the inadvisability of raising the retirement age, a week later, on May 14, the prime minister announced in an ultimatum - hell to you, we will follow the instructions of the owner (IMF) and he was supported by all the Duma factions who immediately accepted amendments to the law in the first reading.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        "Name, sister, name!"

                        At least Simanenko, Tsarev.
                      4. 0
                        8 October 2018 09: 17
                        contrary to Putin’s opinion, expressed on May 7 of this year about the inadvisability of raising the retirement age, a week later, on May 14, the prime minister announced in an ultimatum - to hell with you, we will follow the instructions of the owner (IMF) and he was supported by all the Duma factions who immediately adopted amendments to the law in the first reading.

                        And by July 20, Putin was talking about the advisability of raising the retirement age. This is the first.
                        Before the bill becomes law, the president must sign it within 14 days. Or reject, or send for revision. Have you heard that Putin used his veto? Me not. What is the conversation about then? This is the second.
                        And thirdly, do not ignore uncomfortable questions
                        I remember that in 14-15 the federal puppet channels (and what they can still be, since the government is a puppet) vigorously promoted the idea of ​​the "Russian World". Following your logic - is the Russian World a project of the West?

                        At least Simanenko, Tsarev.

                        The Tsarev who retired? That Simonenko who has been a weather vane throughout his political career?
                        Here are the cities considered pro-Russian, the results of voting on Simonenko:
                        Dneprodzerzhinsk - 3,04%
                        Dnepropetrovsk - 2,64%
                        Kryvyi Rih - 3,34%
                        Mariupol - 4,48%
                        Nikolaev - 4,25%
                        Odessa - 3,86%
                        Kharkiv - 2,01%
                        And, if, what, at the time of the election, the most pro-Russian were Tigipko and Dobkin wink
                      5. -1
                        8 October 2018 11: 24
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And by the 20 of July, Putin

                        Here in the video in detail.


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        his should within 14 days to sign the president.

                        Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 107, clause 3. "... he subject to signature by the President of the Russian Federation within seven days and promulgation ... "

                        A must and a must - this is not the same thing. Signing adopted laws is an honorable duty of the president.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        the most pro-Russian were Tigipko and Dobkin

                        Or them.
                      6. 0
                        8 October 2018 11: 38
                        That's it, verbiage has gone, I think you can end the conversation.
                        A must and a must - this is not the same thing. Signing adopted laws is an honor duty President.

                        Duty - this means that a person should do something
                        Dictionary of Ozhegov
                        subject - subject to something compulsory, compulsory
                        Ephraim's Dictionary
                        be subject to
                        nesov. good luck.
                        Be obligated, due, to be subject to smth.
                        Or them.

                        Tigipko Dobkin
                        Dneprodzerzhinsk - 8,17% 4,59%
                        Dnepropetrovsk - 12,8% 3,34%
                        Kryvyi Rih - 8,49% 4,79%
                        Mariupol - 15,98% 8,85%
                        Nikolaev - 16,67% 4,82%
                        Odessa - 20,62% 3,46%
                        Kharkov - 8,53% 26,25%

                        And for Poroshenko in these same pro-Russian cities from 30 to 40%
                      7. 0
                        6 October 2018 11: 38
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        For whom in the 2014 elections did pro-Russian Ukrainians in the eastern regions have to vote?

                        after Crimean, Donbassnash, and the general victorious hysteria in the Russian Federation about "fascists in Ukraine" - about Russian candidates died out as a class even for Russian Ukrainians.
                        It was somehow blasphemous to vote for the pro-Russian with the loss of 13.22% of the territory not from some Romania, but from the Russian Federation. This is something like - you gopnik squeeze, and you love them and appreciate and continue to trust ...
                      8. 0
                        7 October 2018 08: 34
                        Quote: Antares
                        after Crimean, Donbassnash, and the general victorious hysteria in the Russian Federation about "fascists in Ukraine" - about Russian candidates died out as a class even for Russian Ukrainians.

                        In the 14 year, Crimea was yours.
                    2. 0
                      6 October 2018 10: 33
                      Boris. I did not delve into the Minsk Agreement. There are several thousand pages. But look at
                      card, if this agreement were successfully completed. Not so simple.
      2. +7
        5 October 2018 08: 16
        Quote: Stas157
        Hopes for positive change, there is simply nowhere to come from.

        She will not remain at all if the main swindler of Donbass, a former MMM worker and friend of Mavrodi comes to power, and until recently, the accomplice of Rinat Akhmetov - Denis Pushilin. Who spent the whole war in the rear, where he built all sorts of intrigues and finally got to the head of the DPR. While acting, but may soon become the legal head. So, the just cause of the first wave of militias who sacrificed themselves for a good life was eventually intercepted by crooks and criminals.
      3. +1
        5 October 2018 12: 22
        Transnistria is not quite correctly compared with Abkhazia. The standard of living and economic indicators of Transnistria are comparable to the right-bank Moldavian ones.
      4. -1
        10 October 2018 22: 17
        Stas157. While the V. Surkovs determine politics in the DPR and LPR, blood and war will continue (the Jews of Surkov, with the help of the same Girkin, unleashed an inter-Slav war). According to this, the keys of the world and the kagale who have seized power in the state of Ukraine ...
  2. +3
    5 October 2018 06: 35
    Cadres decide everything ... but they are not enough ....
    1. +3
      5 October 2018 07: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      Cadres decide everything ... but they are not enough ....

      It depends on how you interpret the word! We have such PERSONNEL in the government — you wonder!
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 07: 09
        depending on how you interpret the word
        ..Yes ... from which side to look ... at the frames ... There are different frames ... Sometimes such "frames" are thrown out ...
  3. 0
    5 October 2018 06: 42
    Gold words.
  4. +1
    5 October 2018 06: 49
    As a result, New Russia is on the verge of a brave new world

    Just the same in the Brave new world of managers, like, among other things, everyone else, they were grown in test tubes, preparing in advance for their position ... But this is another story)
  5. -1
    5 October 2018 07: 47
    Probably the time has come to appoint crisis managers to the LNR by the President of the Russian Federation. And then, following the results of the work, to appoint governors in Russia, especially since working in the front-line zone will give good practice to managers.
    1. -1
      5 October 2018 08: 29
      The time has come to return the scattered personnel to both LDNR and Ukraine. Moreover, it is necessary to help the fraternal people and ensure the appearance of the sane president in the elections.
      And ours has nothing to do there, we ourselves need good managers.
    2. +2
      5 October 2018 20: 58
      Quote: bratchanin3
      Perhaps the time has come to appoint crisis managers to the LNR by the President of the Russian Federation

      So he has long been appointed president. Dudaev Aslambek Andarbekovich, aka Surkov Vladislav Yuryevich.
  6. +3
    5 October 2018 08: 07
    First and foremost, in the present situation it is impossible to approach the solution of problems, as in a normal peace period. Remember what the situation was like in the USSR during the Second World War, we did not mow in the Urals and Siberia while there was a war in the west of the country. Therefore, in LDNR there should be such an approach. It is impossible to squeeze tidbits in the form of any productions under the roar of shelling into private property. Until the issue of the fate of these entities is finally resolved, all industries must be subordinate to one authority, council, or whatever they have. The same requirements should be for educational and health care institutions, without any excesses in the field. There should be a single regime for all, martial law or a state of emergency, which is more acceptable for them and all requirements should proceed only given these conditions. And the situation when some die in the trenches, while others in taverns on their ears are simply unacceptable.
    1. +1
      7 October 2018 17: 12
      Planned state economies lead to collapse, look at youtube what is happening in Venezuela

      When everything is public, then the individual turns on the mechanism "I will burn 7 total rubles, but so that in the end the ruble goes to me personally," this cannot be eradicated, even if a quarter of the bosses are in front of the new bosses every month, sooner or later there will be a conspiracy and you will suddenly fall on your dacha under the supervision of the conspirators.

      The only systemic solution is the maximum privatization of all areas with all its disadvantages.
  7. -1
    5 October 2018 08: 11
    Can I send Poklonskaya there?
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 09: 23
      Quote: Gardamir
      Can I send Poklonskaya there?

      Everything is good there, everything is going according to plan as intended. Everything there was conceived by the rulers of the Russian Federation and everything should go according to their plan. The government will decide and Poklonskaya will head the DPR, decide that Pushilin or Gubarev or whoever else will be. And then some naive idealists will suddenly decide that it is possible to create people's republics where they want and when they want.
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 09: 39
        Everything there was conceived by the rulers of the Russian Federation and everything should go according to their plan.
        This is what I had in mind
  8. +1
    5 October 2018 09: 21
    It is what it is! There are qualified personnel, both among pensioners and young people, only they are guaranteed not to pass the "selection" conditions - everything is decided by "minor" officials, even at the stage of registration, and those who have overcome this milestone will be stopped by middle-level officials - smart and principled, by their higher apparatchiks are also not needed. Hence all the troubles - nepotism, non-professionalism, corruption. The salary of a cashier in a store can be double that of a skilled worker. In the conditions of the actual absence of the electoral process, the formation of all structures on the principle of "friend or foe", there is no effective control over the work of local authorities and administration! The managerial staff of all city structures is formed in the same manner. On the other hand, this is the most manageable class that can quickly solve problems for the rest of the contingent - step to the left, step to the right, and you're fired! Many are satisfied with this situation and the possible elections in November frighten them more than hostilities ...
  9. +2
    5 October 2018 13: 06
    All the author described correctly. And there is. It is worth noting that you have to work on the vacuum areas of the legal field, and make decisions at your own peril and risk. As a result, after a certain period of time, any leader can safely be imprisoned for the cumulative accumulation of such deviations. And the fact that they don’t put him down is just that he is loyal to his higher authorities. With a small
  10. 0
    5 October 2018 13: 26
    Yes. and it is necessary to act in a terrible lack of qualified and motivated subordinates for this boss. It is banal that there are no more than 30% of such personnel. And it was still lucky. There is nowhere to expect new qualified personnel. Even if they are grown, they do not see their prospects in the LPR. They are washed out in the Russian Federation .. So you look at the bottom of hopelessness, above the hopelessness, and no matter how you fight, you are to blame. At the same time, only "approvals" are expected from you for stupid orders from above. It's useless to argue - see the description above. And if we consider that those people who can do something can perfectly realize themselves in the same Russia, then what is the probability that such a specialist will work for a long time? ...
  11. 0
    5 October 2018 14: 33
    We were surprised ... he is a completely unprofessional government in Ukraine - that there are no ministers, among whom there is not a single one who has an education or even a day of work in the field where he is fed, that the deputies, that the "minister of defense" is a convoy ass, that the chief sailor - tankman...
    And nothing - they exist and do not want to break up.
    But is it no longer able to recognize these republics and the PMR officially and send advisers to each ministry, even with Ukrainian names, as overseas people do in Ukraine?
    So it means forget and score, not whine in a tv-show
  12. +3
    5 October 2018 16: 52
    Boris55 (Boris) - and what do you smoke or drink .. The nuclear thing is visible ... Do not get carried away -KOSLENKO become. I will not write to you that you forgot to write more about the evil Jews .. It’s FSE that they did together with the CIA ..
    Now read and think:
    Before us is a table. A glass and a fork are on the table. What are they doing? The glass is standing, but the fork is lying. If we stick a fork into the tabletop, the fork will stand. That is, there are vertical objects, and horizontal ones? Add a plate and a frying pan to the table. They seem to be horizontal, but they stand on the table. Now put the plate in the skillet. There she lies, but she was on the table. Maybe there are items ready to use? No, the fork was ready when it was lying. Now the cat is climbing on the table. She can stand, sit and lie down. If in terms of standing and lying it somehow creeps into the "vertical-horizontal" logic, then sitting is a new property. She sits on the pope. Now a bird has sat down on the table. She sits on the table, but sits on her feet, not on her bottom. Although it seems to be standing. But she cannot stand at all. But if we kill the poor bird and make a stuffed animal, it will stand on the table. It may seem that sitting is an attribute of the living, but the boot also sits on the leg, although it is not alive and does not have priests. So, go and understand what is worth, what is lying, and what is sitting. wink Come to us. In the Donbass, and tell the people your theory laughing laughing laughing
  13. 0
    6 October 2018 10: 37
    The author showed a very topical problem with the staff. And here there is a dispute far from the topic.
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  15. 0
    6 October 2018 21: 52
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Stas157
    The result of a brilliant Kremlin policy.

    And can you talk about the brilliant policy of the Kremlin in more detail?

    Travel to the regions, look at the ruins of factories, talk to people then and see ... sad
  16. -1
    6 October 2018 21: 54
    Quote: Semurg
    Quote: Gardamir
    Can I send Poklonskaya there?

    Everything is good there, everything is going according to plan as intended. Everything there was conceived by the rulers of the Russian Federation and everything should go according to their plan. The government will decide and Poklonskaya will head the DPR, decide that Pushilin or Gubarev or whoever else will be. And then some naive idealists will suddenly decide that it is possible to create people's republics where they want and when they want.

    Yes Yes Yes good good good hi
  17. 0
    6 October 2018 21: 55
    Quote: Gardamir
    Everything there was conceived by the rulers of the Russian Federation and everything should go according to their plan.
    This is what I had in mind

    Join us! hi

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"