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Presidential rating dropped to a minimum over 5 years

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Public opinion monitoring services continue their research on the topic of trust or mistrust of the Russian authorities on the part of the population after well-known legislative changes, including increasing the VAT (from 1 in January on 2019) and raising the retirement age to 5 years. Edition Kommersant with reference to Levada Center, it publishes data that suggests that the rating of the Russian president, after his approval of pension changes, fell to a minimum in 5 years. It is noted that he returned to the "Dokrym" indicators.


Presidential rating dropped to a minimum over 5 years


If you believe the estimates of Levada Center, then the trust rating of Vladimir Putin as president of the country for the year fell by 17%. At the moment, it is about 58%. This is the first time in recent times when a survey has shown that ordinary Russians trust the army more than they do to the president. For comparison: the level of confidence in the Armed Forces of the country is 66%. Earlier, a sharp increase in the approval of the activities of the President of Russia was associated with his decision to reunite with the Crimea.

According to Levada Center, the number of Russian citizens increased from 4-s to 13-percent, and during the poll they stated that “the president is not at all trustworthy”.

At the same time, it can be said that this is the highest rating among the heads of state in which in recent years a decision was made to raise the bar of retirement age.

The survey was conducted on 20 in September and covered 1,6 from thousands of Russians in the 52 regions of the country.

Ранее Levada Center published data from another survey: the attitude of the Russians to the ongoing pension reform. It turned out that a negative attitude towards legislative changes in this area was demonstrated by 85% of respondents. 11% of respondents reported a positive attitude towards pension reform.
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  1. Law abiding citizen
    Law abiding citizen 4 October 2018 06: 34
    +24
    Can not be... smile
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 October 2018 07: 22
      +59
      No no no! The president is good, it is the Duma and the government that are "bad". And the President - he is always good, he "does not know" anything and he is "forced" and, in general, he, for nothing, "does not answer" - he only follows the Constitution and that's all, but with the Constitution we have everything "the highest level" precisely thanks to the President's vigilant care of her — many to him, humane thanks for that! What we can do without him!
      PS: (I will go, I will once again pray for his "face" in the "red corner" - "Sun-faced! Do not leave the Constitution without your worries! And now, and ever, and forever and ever. Amen.")
      1. spirit
        spirit 4 October 2018 07: 45
        +52
        Before the pension reform, the son of the Sun signed another decree on stimulating the apparatus of officials) I would put this calculation here when this great figure erased what we all need to understand and tolerate. Someone stimulate GDP by denyuzhki and someone by a wooden Mac hi
        1. hrych
          hrych 4 October 2018 08: 13
          -36
          Let's stand up for the Supreme ... Understand one thing, the Russian Federation is not an independent state, but a part of the General World Order and no illusions are needed. If earlier the Cabinet of Ministers and laws were approved through coordination with the State Department, then Putin made it so that this no longer happens, however, this coordination takes place with those who approve the composition of the State Department and appoint the heads of the IMF, EU, etc. Backstage. Putin raised the status of Russia, but inside the Behind the Scenes, using the country's most advantageous geographical position, its combat power, natural and human resources. The Russian Federation is now in confrontation with the United States, but not with the Behind the Scenes. This is an intra-faction showdown. After all, the Nord Streams are being built in the interests of the Western and world economies, providing a cheap energy carrier. The Northern Sea Route, Auto and Railways are proposed for the more perfect New Silk Road, i.e. trade between the EU and the APR, in the interests of the same Procedure. In the United States, the statesmen won, not the globalists, but this is also an intra-factional showdown. Trump decided to strangle the PRC, this is also an intra-factional showdown, and not a challenge to the Supranational Backstage. The PRC obeyed the backstage with giblets even under Dan, when they overthrew the "Gang of Four", provided it with slaves. And this pension reform is one of the things that the backstage demands from all rulers. And this is what ours could not fail to obey, tk. this is not a demand of equal (now) State Department members and Soviet Europeans, but a greater, that center that stands above all. And do not forget that Putin is the henchman of this Backstage, she brought him to the top of power, but he is trying to raise his status and the status of his subordinate territory. The time has not yet come for the Orthodox Tsar, unfortunately, to challenge the Prince of this World, but let the current one continue to strengthen the defense and statehood, let it strengthen the role of the Russian Federation in this World Order.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 4 October 2018 08: 36
            +20
            Quote: hrych
            The time has not yet come for the Tsar of the Orthodox, unfortunately, to challenge the Prince of this World, but let the current one continue to strengthen defense and statehood, let him strengthen the role of the Russian Federation in this World Order.

            Manuals or something updated ?! Hrych, until recently, such bold speeches pushed against the GDP, that it was already scary to be on the forum laughing
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2018 08: 58
              -8
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              such bold speeches pushed against GDP

              I hoped that he would become the Tsar of the Orthodox, but no. Another thing is that there is no choice. Although he strengthens the country's defense and infrastructure, he annexed Crimea and captured the Caucasus Range, and declared the Arctic floor our shelf, it’s in the interests of the people, in the interests of future generations, it’s another matter that he does not solve the problem of nationalities, a liberal economy, etc. Now age added. Let's just say that, for all that, there is no alternative to him now. As if it were not worse. Okay, there with a retirement age, no matter how many people were killed and there are not about 60-65, there they would live to 20. In the trenches of World War II they did not think about retirement in such a way. But something is brewing on the Planet. From raising the retirement age, our state will not perish, the ethnos will not perish, but it may perish, come some Yeltsin, Bronstein, etc. And the attack on social conquests did not want to fight for socialism what you want now. We have such capitalism, however, man to man is a wolf. Here were the regional elections and what. Yes, they fought in several regions to edros, and the rest? There was a chance, but they did not use it, again they did not go to the polls. Therefore, the people deserve a ruler and the people themselves deserve how these rulers relate to it.
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 4 October 2018 09: 01
                +13
                Quote: hrych
                I hoped that he would become the Tsar of the Orthodox, but no. Another thing is that there is no choice.

                You are "my friend" - Seriously ???? !!! ))))))
              2. Detective
                Detective 4 October 2018 09: 05
                -9
                Quote: hrych
                I hoped that he would become the Tsar of the Orthodox, but no.

                The Orthodox King will be given to us by the Lord if we are worthy of this.
                Quote: hrych
                We have such capitalism, however, man to man is a wolf.

                This is not from capitalism - socialism - feudalism - communism ... it depends, but from a person!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 09: 55
                  +19
                  Quote: Detective
                  The Orthodox King will be given to us by the Lord if we are worthy of this.

                  laughing laughing laughing Where to put a candle?
                  Quote: Detective
                  This is not from capitalism - socialism - feudalism - communism ... it depends, but from a person!

                  Here I agree with you, Oper. Only the principle, "The main thing is that a good person is" does not roll with professionals. Putin has already surrounded himself with "good people".
                  1. Detective
                    Detective 4 October 2018 10: 27
                    -8
                    For you, as I understand it, a candle is a useless tool, Comrade Mordvin! Although who knows. May the Lord make you wiser. For peace, put on the eve to honor the good memory of man. For health on various occasions, in gratitude, in requests ... to the icon of the Savior or the Virgin.
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Putin has already surrounded himself with "good people".

                    I have no honor to know his surroundings and I try not to judge people for my eyes.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 10: 30
                      +3
                      Quote: Detective
                      For you, as I understand it, a candle is a useless tool, Comrade Mordvin!

                      Very useful church candles. I boil the handles of knives in them. yes
                      1. Detective
                        Detective 4 October 2018 10: 55
                        0
                        Well, do you really think that I will be here to discuss such use of sacrificial candles with you ?! You seem to like to offend believers with your behavior or statements? I'll just say that sacrilege, blasphemy, desecration of holy places is an action close to blasphemy, and this is a grave sin! St. John Chrysostom said - "... whoever blasphemes inflicts wounds on himself! ... he harms not only himself, but also other people who listen to him ... for he gives them a reason to slander and condemnation!
                        The low level of culture in general and, in particular, spiritual culture leads to such actions. Did you want to insult or provoke me? You have humiliated yourself. Communicate with you in a similar manner and about things unknown to you, I think is not possible for myself.
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 4 October 2018 12: 39
                    +9
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Putin has already surrounded himself with "good people".

                    Yesterday, Putin replaced the governor of St. Petersburg. Appointed his old friend. It doesn’t matter what is unlucky;
                  3. Azis
                    Azis 5 October 2018 19: 01
                    0
                    Where to put a candle?

                    If a candle for hemorrhoids ...
                2. Mestny
                  Mestny 4 October 2018 10: 00
                  -1
                  Here I agree.
                  Everything depends on the person. If it’s dirty in your head, then no the best theories will help - everything will ruin everything.
                  USSR is a vivid example.
                  1. Detective
                    Detective 4 October 2018 10: 28
                    +1
                    Well with the best theories is also a question ...
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 4 October 2018 20: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: Detective
                  This is not from capitalism - socialism - feudalism - communism ... it depends, but from a person!

                  I do not agree!
                  Under Stalin, the people were heroic, the USSR was a country of heroes, under Brezhnev, good-natured, "a man is a friend to man, comrade and brother", under Yeltsin and Putin, the people became evil, envious, "man is a wolf to man."
                  As the hero from the movie "Boomer" said - "this is not us, this is such a time"
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 4 October 2018 20: 03
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                the floor of the Arctic by our shelf, it is in the interests of the people

                doubtful
                Quote: hrych
                In the trenches of World War II they did not think about retirement in such a way.

                so after her and the retirement age did not increase
            2. Dimmedroll
              Dimmedroll 6 October 2018 14: 09
              -1
              Let's just say the promises to discredit the GDP, our partners fulfill just fine. We ourselves will overthrow ourselves into chaos.
          2. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 4 October 2018 10: 12
            -11
            The real V. Putin has not been seen since 2007, so who framed and holds the TWINS at the head of the state of the Russian Federation, because several apparently skinny faces act under the name of V.V. Putin (with careful analysis, the structure of the skull, height, etc. do not correspond) ... You need to start with the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, which allowed a person who is not V.V. Putin before the election. And look at the oath of the president in 2018, what did the chairman of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation V.D. Zorkin and his actions are forced under the cry of a person portraying the sworn V.V. Putin ... It seems we live in the country through the looking glass, since such obvious crimes are committed in public ...
            1. Detective
              Detective 4 October 2018 10: 30
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              The real V. Putin has not been seen since 2007, so who framed and holds the TWINS at the head of the state of the Russian Federation

              Things are really bad in Lithuania ...
          3. Vladimir Teplov
            Vladimir Teplov 4 October 2018 10: 28
            +26
            Fake rating both before and after the election. He is self-nominated and self-appointed. Look what state he built. The state of awesome taxes, such as fines of kidalov’s morale on wages for shared construction and all other things, and now scam on pension and lies everywhere lies. And there is always an alternative.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 4 October 2018 10: 54
              -4
              There is always an alternative, but you have temporary troubles, hold on!
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            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2018 11: 54
              -7
              Stalin, according to Lendliz, received help and paid, Stalin did not prevent the dollar from becoming a global currency. Stalin is one of the founders of the UN (Parliament of the World Government) and the UN Peacekeeping Force, which opposed the Chinese in Korea. Numerous Soviet military advisers and specialists were recalled from North Korea before the war, and during the war they were sent back under the guise of TASS correspondents. The UN Security Council, on the agenda of which was the Korean issue. The original resolution proposed by the Americans was adopted with nine votes in favor, with no cons. The representative of Yugoslavia abstained, and the Soviet ambassador, Yakov Malik, boycotted the vote. Those. The USSR did not apply the veto, but withdrew. Those. even here, Stalin respected the rules of the World Order, and resisted stealthily using the Chinese. Only when he received nuclear parity, taking advantage of the Korean crisis, challenged the World Government and died. GDP can also confront the United States and China and send the Japanese further, but if it only goes against the World Government it will be immediately eliminated, like Stalin. This must be understood and not require more from him, he has children and grandchildren. Immediately after the death of Stalin, his son Vasily was rotten in the dungeons.
              1. Alf
                Alf 4 October 2018 12: 42
                +13
                Quote: hrych
                only goes against the World Government it will be immediately eliminated, like Stalin. This must be understood and not require more from him, he has children and grandchildren.

                Then on x .. such a president is needed?
            2. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2018 12: 13
              -4
              By the way, Zakulis also fully thanked Great Britain, turning it into Small Britain, and it was larger than the USSR. So the score is 1: 1. Also, the USSR collapsed as unnecessary later, however, the Russian Federation remained the largest and most powerful state (taking into account the strategic nuclear forces and tactical nuclear forces of course) and retained the Peace Center (Heartland), and Putin did not allow it to be divided, although Kazan and The Ufa Khanates, and the Ural Republic (Rossel, remember this character), and Mordovia and the North Caucasus uluses, adopted the constitutions, etc. Forgot?
          5. milling machine
            milling machine 4 October 2018 11: 22
            +3
            Hrych
            Sectarians Fedorovna and Starikova hello.
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2018 11: 35
              -3
              Quote: frezer
              Fedorovna and Starikova hello.

              Who is ento? wassat
          6. 1 Navigator
            1 Navigator 4 October 2018 21: 16
            0
            Khrych is good at telling tales, the main thing is to believe that you will be fine. laughing
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 October 2018 22: 00
              0
              Kostya, get out of here, I'm not interested in your opinion laughing
        2. ver_
          ver_ 4 October 2018 12: 21
          +4
          ... Duc, and from whom to choose it - * Jews, Jews, Jews are all around .. * Go and go, no Jew has remained in Russia ..
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 4 October 2018 13: 46
          0
          It is not clear what led you to resentment-inflation w fool
          Do not be offended, yours is still better than our .... hydrant.
        4. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 5 October 2018 18: 12
          -1
          Civil servants are not only ministers and deputies, but also tax inspectors, bailiffs, secretaries in courts, etc. and they all receive a beggarly salary of 15-20 thousand rubles. The stuff there is scary. It is for them that money has been allocated.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 4 October 2018 07: 48
        +30
        The president, unfortunately, did not justify the trust of citizens, many were very naive and that was the reason for the high rating, the 58% that are now, in my opinion, too high .. The president made a choice, back in 2014 and he chose not the citizens of his country and friends ..
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 4 October 2018 08: 14
          +36
          Quote: Svarog
          many were very naive and this was due to the high rating

          Many are still very naive, because they’re used to watching a zombie hunter, who always shows what is necessary and how Putin and other members of the Lake cooperative should, so they have been brainwashed for a long time.
          Yesterday Putin signed a law to increase the retirement age, but the news came out at 2 a.m. Moscow time and went unnoticed by many citizens. Although this law applies to everyone and worsens the life of absolutely all citizens of the country, including the smallest, because henceforth, grandparents will no longer be able to sit with them, but will work until the grave.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 08: 40
            -32
            Quote: kjhg
            and how should Putin and other members of the Lake cooperative

            change the training manual with this "cooperative in the government"
            Quote: kjhg
            therefore, they have been brainwashed for a long time.

            and you? .... you are washed by rain .... bulk ....
            Quote: kjhg
            henceforth, grandparents will no longer be able to sit with them, but will work until the grave.

            you are going to die at 65 ?, yes, the pension reform is not popular, but I hope it will be "possible" to be appreciated in 20 years, when the average pension will be 25 rubles, not 9 as it is now
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 4 October 2018 08: 46
              +19
              Those who survive will be appreciated, but there will be much fewer than they could have been.
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 08: 48
                -16
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                0
                Those who survive will be appreciated, but there will be far fewer of them than could be

                and minus for the pension reform position? laughing go far and live to retirement.
                1. Vladivostok1969
                  Vladivostok1969 4 October 2018 10: 33
                  +8
                  I didn't "minus" you. Although I think you deserve it. hi
                  1. Sandor Clegane
                    Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 10: 50
                    -11
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    Although I think you deserve it

                    but this - "I think", the curators do not demand from you ....... keep knocking on the keyboard with angry posts ..... they will hear you and cancel everything
                    1. Vladivostok1969
                      Vladivostok1969 5 October 2018 02: 15
                      0
                      Dear Sandor Kligan. The nickname you have chosen indicates that the perception of the world around you is at the level of fantasy. Can you continue to watch fairy tales on TV?
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 7 October 2018 20: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        Your nickname indicates that the perception of the world around you is at the level of fantasy.

                        Well, since you know, you yourself look and probably not once
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        Can you continue to watch fairy tales on TV?

                        you will advise your wife ..... okay?
                        and I advise you not to deal with flood
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 4 October 2018 08: 55
              +20
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              "possibly" will be appreciated in 20 years, when the average pension will be 25 rubles, and not 9 as it is now

              You count how cynically they want to deceive us once again .. in 2024, they plan to make an average pension of 24 rubles .. now, just turn on the calculator .. So .. this year they will increase VAT to 000%, which will increase prices by 20 % on everything .. Gasoline has increased since the beginning of the year by 15% and will continue to grow, while oil is growing wassat inflation will be at least 15% .. at such a rate for 6 years, money will depreciate by 90% .. that is, your 24 will turn into the current 000 .. that's the whole increase .. but people 12000% will not live up to retirement, and those who survive will not receive long .. These are the tricks ..
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 08: 59
                -13
                Quote: Svarog
                These are the tricks ..

                God, who is arguing? I understand everything perfectly, but !!! which of the members of the forum instead of scribble came to power and demanded a rally ?? who at least did something to prevent this from happening ..... I mean members of the forum ??? ... I didn’t do anything, because I understand that the decision was made a long time ago and then attack do not attack, you’ll get anyway ...Goal! So I thought and decided to find in it at least some advantages !!!!! that's all...
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 4 October 2018 10: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: Sandor Clegane
                  So I thought and decided to find in it at least some advantages !!!!! that's all...

                  No need to look for pluses in the pleasant liberal (i.e. bourgeois) government pension reform in the Russian Federation, in which, according to objective indicators, they are fundamentally absent and cannot exist!
                  1. Sandor Clegane
                    Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 10: 47
                    -11
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    No need to look for advantages in a pleasant liberal

                    I don’t ask you about this, it’s my personal opinion, but don’t tell me what to do and how to think, do you want to help? - help financially, otherwise - by!
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    in which, according to objective indicators, they are fundamentally absent and cannot be!

                    sit down - the offset, the envelope with s \ n will receive on Monday
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 4 October 2018 11: 10
                      +6
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      No need to look for advantages in a pleasant liberal
                      I don’t ask you about this, it’s my personal opinion, but don’t tell me what to do and how to think
                      And the comments of the participants on the site just exist precisely for controversy - i.e. for EXCHANGE of personal opinions - in search of objective truth. This is how a nation is formed in unity of opinion.
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      but do not tell me what to do and how to think, want to help? - help financially
                      Does that say "Real" man to woman ?! Do not disgrace yourself!
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      in which, according to objective indicators, they are fundamentally absent and cannot be!
                      sit down - offset
                      I can be a teacher too. To you from me, too, in the magazine - "two", since you do not understand a good attitude on my part.!
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 15: 15
                        -6
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Does that say "Real" man to woman ?! Do not disgrace yourself!

                        but where is it that you are a woman ??? .... who actually sits behind the monitor - a woman, a child or a man I don’t know, but I know that there is a Persian with the nickname SOBAKINA, a female avatar and a man’s name .... so past
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        To you from me, too, in the magazine - "two", since you do not understand a good attitude on my part.!

                        that is, you give good marks to people for falling at your feet and daring to challenge your words ?????
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And the comments of the participants on the site just exist precisely for controversy - i.e. for EXCHANGE of personal opinions - in search of objective truth.

                        this is how you impose your personal opinion on others - quote "
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        in which, according to objective indicators, they are fundamentally absent and cannot be!
                        ")) ... and I say, maybe all living pensioners from the age of 19 will begin to receive more than now and their 50% of the population of the Russian Federation
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 4 October 2018 16: 22
                      +5
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      that’s how you impose your personal opinion on others - quote
                      "Quote: Tatiana
                      in which, according to objective indicators, they are fundamentally absent and cannot be! ")).
                      ..a I say maybe - all living pensioners starting from 19, they will begin to receive more than now and their 50% the population of the Russian Federation
                      Dear Danila Dmitrievich! You mathematically do not know how to profit. Namely.

                      Pension by the government in 2019 newly made pensioner will increase total at 12 thousand per year! Those. that's all on 1 thousand rubles per month!!!
                      For the sake of this, this new pensioner under the new legislation will not receive his pension deserved under the old law for a whole year - i.e. 12 months.
                      Suppose that his pension for 2018 year under the old law on average would be 14 thousand rubles.
                      How much money does a new pensioner lose for 1 only a year under the new pension law?
                      He will lose: 14000 rub. x12 months = 168000 rub
                      Total we get: 12 thousand rubles. << 168 thousand rubles
                      How much money did the liberal government in Russia steal from a new pensioner in the 1 year alone?
                      It stole: 168 - 12 = 156 (thousand rubles)!
                      And for 5 years, the liberal government of the Russian Federation will steal from a new pensioner in 2024:
                      (168000 RUB x 5 years) - 12000 RUB = 840000 -12000 = 828000 rub. = 828 thousand rubles.

                      And what is all this called? This is called the fiscal genocide of the Russian population by the government of the pro-Western oligarchy in the Russian Federation according to the requirements of the IMF (US Federal Reserve).

                      The essence of the pension reform in the Russian Federation fully coincides with the anti-popular IMF policy of the authorities in Ukraine. See the revelations of the Ukrainian Zionist and Kazakh banker Igor Berkut in 2013 - only for "insiders".

                      5 millions of inhabitants will be enough for Ukraine, the rest will be disposed of. Igor Berkut.
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 16: 56
                        -5
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Dear Danila Dmitrievich! You mathematically do not know how to profit.

                        comrade character, man - I don’t know how to contact you, why are you flooding here at the computer ?? why didn’t you go to the barricades half a year ago .... what’s stopping you from raising the issue of the capacity of the government and the president? I think what they take away from me in the future - they give it to ACTING retirees now ..... like that. ... have you ever given money for donations or for treatment to strangers?
                    3. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 4 October 2018 17: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      comrade character, man - I don’t know how to contact you, why are you flooding here at the computer ?? why didn’t they come to the barricades half a year ago .... what prevents you from raising the issue of the capacity of the government and the president?
                      This is not me "fdudu", but you are trolling! You ask too many extraneous personal questions.
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      I believe that what is being taken away from me in the future is given to EXISTING pensioners now ..... that’s how I think ....
                      Correctly believe that only the financial structures in the government of the Russian Federation do not have a real objective need for this. Objectively, there is money in the country for pensioners from the state - the Russian Federation, only it is not for the common people - an honor! (See video below.)
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      have you ever given money for donations
                      Last time in September of this year.

                      The hidden meaning of pension reform # Boris Kagarlitsky. Published: 29 Jun. 2018 g
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 17: 37
                        -2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You ask too many questions.

                        so you don’t answer them, leave the topic and try to teach me everything
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The last time in September this year was to help the families of the dead servicemen.

                        well done ..... I often, but not much - on the day of good deeds!
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        There is money in the country, but not for the common people - an honor!

                        Siluanov personally told you this or maybe Putin ?? ..... from where infa?
                    4. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 4 October 2018 17: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Sandor Clegane
                      Quote: TatyanaMoney in the country is, but not for the common people - an honor! Siluanov personally told you this or maybe Putin ?? ..... from where infa?
                      The country is full of economic analysts. Follow the information yourself.
                      And as I understand it, you even didn’t bother to watch the video provided by me personally for you — hurry up with the answer — and just keep trolling me.
                      1. Sandor Clegane
                        Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 18: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You didn’t even bother to watch the video

                        I find no one reason to watch this video, what did you want to prove to me by this? this character is a left-wing journalist who graduated from GITIS and received the Deutscher Memorial Prize, for which he received £ 250, declaring the winner in the press and inviting the author to deliver a Deutscher lecture. And this character will teach me life ????
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 4 October 2018 15: 46
                  +5
                  I went to rallies of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation twice in Khabarovsk. He signed against the increase in PV, voted against Sprat and even for the clown-Furgal in the second round. And what else do you propose to do, in my opinion, the peaceful and lawful protest has been fully implemented?
                  1. Sandor Clegane
                    Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 15: 51
                    0
                    Quote: alicante11
                    Signed against increasing PV

                    well done ...... sorry that did not help bend the government, you are probably the only one from the site. who at least somehow tried to influence the situation
                    1. kasatky
                      kasatky 4 October 2018 22: 37
                      +3
                      I went to the Communist Party mining in Kaluga. From the strength of 300 people were out of 360 thousand citizens. Not out - it means everyone likes it, no one is against it. GDP signed without fear. And this is thanks to such logic as yours, Mr. Sandor.
            3. volot-voin
              volot-voin 4 October 2018 11: 14
              +12
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              you are going to die at 65 ?, yes, the pension reform is not popular, but I hope it will be "possible" to be appreciated in 20 years, when the average pension will be 25 rubles, not 9 as it is now

              My dad died tragically in 40l, my mother died of a stroke at 57, a crowd of relatives up to 60 (especially men) died, everyone paid to the FIU — where did the money go? To Grandbritan on accounts to someone? I myself am not sure that I will live up to 60 (not like 65), healthy palm oil in products, preservatives and other chemicals that we eat daily, simply because it is impossible to control everything purchased, can affect it.
              Where is the money from the sale of natural resources that a bunch of thieves considers their own and does not want to share with us? Probably in the same place as the majors, the children of our rulers and all the top managers of nanogeny.
              Well, inflation will safely eat the increase. Siluanov clearly said that a strong ruble is not profitable for the country.
            4. Mr Credo
              Mr Credo 4 October 2018 11: 36
              +5
              Well then, and voice the prices in 20 years. How much and what will it cost? In what currency? How much pensions will a communal flat and a loaf of bread cost in 20 years? If today we have economic growth, why then prices do not stop, why there is no price stability, why prices do not fall if the market is saturated with goods ???
            5. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 4 October 2018 11: 47
              +6
              Sandor Clegane
              "when the average pension is 25 rubles, and not 9 as it is now"

              Can you write a price for bread? The day before yesterday there was news that flour will rise in price by 40%!
              Therefore, I agree with you, the pension will be 25000, but the cost of living will be 26000!
            6. BecmepH
              BecmepH 4 October 2018 12: 04
              -3
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              the average pension will be 25 rubles, not 9 as it is now
              About 25 rubles, who told you?))
              14100 today is an average pension. Be careful with numbers
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 4 October 2018 15: 20
                +2
                Quote: BecmepH
                14100 today average pension

                tell this to my relatives, pensioners ..... my two aunts have 9200 and 9400 .... my mother-in-law's 9900 and my father-in-law 10100 .... so be careful
                1. kitt409
                  kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 12
                  -1
                  Didn't you write about the MIDDLE pension? )
                2. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 9 October 2018 12: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Sandor Clegane
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  14100 today average pension

                  tell this to my relatives, pensioners ..... my two aunts have 9200 and 9400 .... my mother-in-law's 9900 and my father-in-law 10100 .... so be careful

                  So the man indicated that he is overstating. Your numbers are familiar to me, but I have provided statistics. And you rush at me without thinking ...
            7. Alf
              Alf 4 October 2018 12: 45
              +4
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              when the average pension is 25 rubles,

              A pension may be 50 rubles, but what are the prices? In the 90s we were all millionaires, but remember what the prices were ...
              Again the concept of "average" ...
            8. New Year day
              New Year day 4 October 2018 20: 12
              +4
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              change the training manual with this "cooperative in the government"

              so explain to us how and why the children of his associate become ministers, bankers?
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              and you? .... you are washed by rain .... bulk ....

              But besides bulk, do you know anyone?
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              you are going to die at 65 ?, yes, the pension reform is not popular, but I hope it will be "possible" to be appreciated in 20 years, when the average pension will be 25 rubles, not 9 as it is now

              who and when will die, only God knows. And just recently, Putin admitted that pension reform will not give the budget a ruble, moreover, another 500 billion will have to be invested. And what for such reforms? And the children will appreciate - do not hesitate
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 October 2018 20: 44
                -7
                You pull out the pieces again, dohtur? Yes, and you misinterpret them negative

                Quote: Silvestr
                ... Putin admitted earlier that pension reform will not give the ruble a ruble, moreover, another 500 billion will have to be invested ...

                So what exactly did Putin say, plz specify?

                PS: I - I know what exactly was said. Everything is very simple there, well, dohtor, a little mental effort wink
              2. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 10 October 2018 08: 44
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                so explain to us how and why the children of his associate become ministers, bankers?

                and who is our SON and is a member of the government ??? to the studio facts or not to cry!
                Quote: Silvestr
                But besides bulk, do you know anyone?

                almost all, who are you specifically interested in?
                Quote: Silvestr
                And just recently, Putin admitted that pension reform will not give the budget a ruble, moreover, another 500 billion will have to be invested.

                no need to juggle !! a hundred link otherwise off
        2. Detective
          Detective 4 October 2018 08: 41
          -13
          Quote: Svarog
          The president, unfortunately, did not justify the trust of citizens, many were very naive and that was the reason for the high rating, the 58% that are now, in my opinion, too high .. The president made a choice, back in 2014 and he chose not the citizens of his country and friends ..

          Those. you need to understand the Levada Center is trying to support Putin ?! However! Such a drop in rating is certainly a pipe dream for any leader among our Western partners! Well, and the drop in the rating itself, as such, is quite an objective thing when such unpopular measures are introduced! In general, I agree with you the confidence of the president in society even after that is high! An interesting figure is the level of confidence of the Russian Armed Forces at 66%! This is probably a good figure, too, but I have a question, and who does the remaining 34% trust? After reading some commentators here (by the way there are quite a few of them), we can assume that Tsakhalu ?!
          In short, Svarog, I, just like you, do not trust this poll, and even less the Levada Center is only a plus, not a minus!
        3. Detective
          Detective 4 October 2018 09: 23
          -7
          Quote: Svarog
          The President, unfortunately, did not justify the trust of citizens

          Quote: Svarog
          how cynical they want to deceive us once again ..

          Quote: Svarog
          then everyone understood and saw the true face of the guarantor,

          Quote: Svarog
          So give us the same standard of living,

          Forgive me, without any trick, I want to ask you, on whose behalf do you speak ?! On behalf of the people? And who authorized you? On behalf of a group of citizens? Well, call her? Are you her leader ?! Or is it you who are to you for yourself ?! If everything you said is just your opinion, then at least it is not modest to put it up for the people or imagine yourself as a popular speaker! Well, even if the Levada Center now recognizes 58% of citizens supporting the president, is that not the people for you ?! Or is it not the right people?
          Below you have written about 55 years of average life expectancy for men in our country !!! Why are you writing this ?! It's just a lie! Do not humiliate yourself with this in the first place! And more about the "wonderful life, like theirs and high salaries" what do you want! Did you live with them ?! You know how much of this hefty salary you have to spend on rental housing. to have your own more expensive ?! And how many taxes do people pay on this wonderful salary there ?! And how much does medicine cost, the most elementary operation, God forbid, and how much does medicine cost ?! Everywhere it is good where we are not yes ?! So go and live, and then you will tell fairy tales here! I think the hunt will be lost!
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 October 2018 09: 32
            +4
            Quote: Detective
            Below you have written about 55 years of average life expectancy for men in our country !!! Well, why are you writing this ?! This is just a lie!

            Lies are the numbers represented by Rosstat and other organizations that are funded by the Kremlin .. You’ve been to the cemetery for a long time, look, birth dates and dates of death .. Here there are statistics, objective

            Quote: Detective
            And more about "a wonderful life, like theirs and high salaries" what do you want! Did you live with them ?!

            I didn’t live, but stayed .. My sister lives .. and lives very well .. don’t need fairy tales about the decaying west, who are you walking around with? laughing
            1. Detective
              Detective 4 October 2018 09: 49
              -11
              According to Rosstat for 2016, the standard of living of men in the country is 66.5 years. Now higher. You do not go to the cemetery, but try on the streets at such times the age of the old people to ask around. Is collecting statistics on cemeteries probably interesting in general? Does it take a lot of time? But just did not try to work?
              Quote: Svarog
              I didn’t live, but stayed .. My sister lives .. and lives very well .. don’t need fairy tales about the decaying west, who are you walking around with?

              Ha ha ha ha !!!!!! This is what you gave out !!!!!! So you’re kind of like a people's power ?! Under capitalism, does this mean popular power ?! Are you fighting for what and against whom if under capitalism, so do you think people live wonderful ?! Or did you go to Cuba or China for your sister ?!
              1. Alf
                Alf 4 October 2018 12: 55
                +4
                Quote: Detective
                According to Rosstat for 2016, the standard of living of men in the country is 66.5 years. Now higher.


                66 years ?
                Which of the men in the Samara region will survive to retirement at 65?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 4 October 2018 19: 51
                  -4
                  Most survive - and live on.
                2. Turkir
                  Turkir 4 October 2018 23: 08
                  +1
                  You're right. However, there is still a question that is directly linked to the pension "reform": let them answer a simple question whether the population of the Russian Federation is increasing or decreasing?
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 4 October 2018 20: 14
                0
                Quote: Detective
                According to Rosstat for 2016, the standard of living of men in the country is 66.5 years. Now higher

                this is the whole country! And in particular? In the provinces? Marvel
              3. kitt409
                kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 17
                0
                Do you trust Rosstat completely? Oh well)))))
          2. Stas1973
            Stas1973 4 October 2018 09: 51
            +5
            58 percent - this is just the number of officials and other civil servants who will receive their benefits in any way and live off the remaining 42%
          3. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 4 October 2018 11: 41
            +4
            Well then, let VO conduct its survey. Che then break the spears for nothing? Isn't it interesting to compare the Levada poll with the VO poll? And now, based on VO surveys, we will reason.
        4. shark
          shark 4 October 2018 09: 50
          +15
          The President did not justify at all. It is very sad when his last term (he understands this) Putin showed his true face. Swim him to us. He serves the oligarchy. And he leads the population of Russia by the nose. It's sad that all these years I have supported him. Hoped that he would break his neck to the bureaucracy and "entrepreneurs". But no. Alas. Lit up again. We support Deripaska, we stimulate officials, and the people at this time are rapidly becoming impoverished. And after all, there is simply no reason for believing in future improvement. If Russia were a mono-national state, one could think of a manifestation of popular anger. Guo alas. Any serious disorder is an automatic collapse of Russia. I personally don't want that. So we sit and do not lean out?
        5. Severok
          Severok 4 October 2018 13: 49
          +4
          Those ratings that show organizations of every kind and sense are at least misleading. Real numbers can unpleasantly affect the imperious and their henchmen to colic.
      3. volot-voin
        volot-voin 4 October 2018 08: 17
        +31
        Quote: Snail N9
        No no no! The President is good, this is the Duma and the government are "bad"

        A positive attitude towards pension reform was reported by 11% of respondents.
        From a force of 2-3% per, the rest is taut. With whom I communicate at work, in life ... friends, acquaintances - all are furious from the grandiose deception of the guarantor.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 04
        -2
        And what are you responsible for - so for fun?
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 4 October 2018 07: 56
      +32
      I won’t be surprised if the rating continues to fall, personally my attitude towards him as president has changed for the worse, a couple of years ago it was much better. It’s time for Medvedev to send the forest down.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 October 2018 08: 08
        +24
        Quote: Spartanez300
        I won’t be surprised if the rating continues to fall, personally my attitude towards him as president has changed for the worse, a couple of years ago it was much better. It’s time for Medvedev to send the forest down.

        The situation changed dramatically after the election .. then everyone understood and saw the true face of the guarantor, but many began to guess after the case of Serdyukov, then the guarantor exempted his friends from taxes who were under sanctions and here, for me personally everything became clear .. And when, the guarantor, went to the polls, without an election program, I realized that a full star awaits us .. Here, the main duelist of the country saved the world .. https://news.mail.ru/incident/34939313/?frommail=1 This is what propaganda is aimed at, they are protecting their people in every way ..
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 October 2018 08: 25
        +16
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It’s time for Medvedev to send the forest down.

        ... a hand saw paired with ... stop well, let it be Chubais ... lol
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 4 October 2018 09: 26
        +4
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It’s time for Medvedev to send the forest down.

        What kind of lumberjack is he? It will miss the tree when it tries to cut it down, then the ax will lose. A chainsaw cannot be trusted at all.
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 4 October 2018 11: 45
          +3
          I'm afraid he can’t trust anything at all. Neither an ax nor a chainsaw. He will immediately sell it to partners!
        2. Severok
          Severok 4 October 2018 13: 52
          +2
          This misunderstanding (D. Medvedev) can be entrusted with only one thing - a room in a shield house, built in 1950, with amenities in the yard, a bath in a basin, heating with a hole stove and an annual household income of 100 minimum wages.
      4. keeper03
        keeper03 4 October 2018 09: 28
        +1
        Soon there will be nothing to blame, we are sending everything to China! request So better in public, here and now! angry soldier
  2. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 4 October 2018 06: 35
    +13
    And why did he grow up, the elections were held.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 October 2018 06: 40
    -14
    Unpopular reforms do not add ratings to anyone. And age ... Although for his age - he is surprisingly "in shape" ... So wandering around the country and the world - "fizzle out" ...
    1. Nychego
      Nychego 4 October 2018 07: 25
      +32
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So to wander around the country and the world - "fizzle out" ...

      He does not run in full gear, but flies on the first board - he does not get tired on the road. And from his attempts to agree with someone, a special sense is not visible: neither a lasting alliance, nor breakthroughs in the blockade.
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 4 October 2018 08: 18
        +22
        Well what are you saying! How can this not be seen? And how would cranes find a way, huh? Or Amur tigers there ... Again, dived, hop-pa! - found amphora! And friends, so vaasche before our eyes swell with a good life. Well, perhaps the people weren’t somehow, well, and figs with him. Again, something can be improved. Well, in the sense of promise ...
    2. KOCMOC
      KOCMOC 4 October 2018 07: 39
      -29
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Unpopular reforms do not add rating to anyone.

      Doctors, children, also prescribe bitter pills, they will understand will grow. Although there is an alternative, people may not pay their hard-earned income to a pension fund, but they themselves can save for retirement and assign any desired amount of payments.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 4 October 2018 08: 06
        +9
        Quote: KOCMOC
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Unpopular reforms do not add rating to anyone.

        Doctors, children, also prescribe bitter pills, they will understand will grow. Although there is an alternative, people may not pay their hard-earned income to a pension fund, but they themselves can save for retirement and assign any desired amount of payments.


        a little bit wrong ... as always - "the devil is in the details." Imagine - you got a job, worked for a month and at the end they tell you - we don't have enough money, did you somehow live a month? It's okay, you have your own garden - you can not deny yourself anything!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 08
          -7
          In Russia, 26 million work this way — almost they do not pay taxes, and they accumulate their profits and salaries in full and no one will force them to pay taxes; they will find 100 ways that they would not pay.
          1. Alf
            Alf 4 October 2018 13: 01
            +7
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Russia, 26 million work like this — almost they don’t pay taxes, and they accumulate their profits and salaries in full and no one will force them to pay taxes,

            So what is the problem of getting them to work in white? There is only one name for this - impotence of power. No laws? And why do we feed the duma? There is no possibility? Tax overclock.
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 4 October 2018 16: 04
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Russia, 26 million work this way — almost they do not pay taxes, and they accumulate their profits and salaries in full and no one will force them to pay taxes; they will find 100 ways that they would not pay.


            do not be like our power ... they are constantly fighting the investigation and do not even try to understand the reasons! these 25 million are the most sane people - they really relate to the authorities, do not expect favors from it and rely only on themselves. And you "hardly pay" - that means they still pay? The rich here, too - "almost pay" and no one even thinks of making a progressive scale for them. Yes, and about the accumulation - you tell one of these 26 million - you will learn a lot of interesting things about yourself and your ancestors laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 October 2018 19: 59
              -3
              At least acquaintances accumulate and do not pay taxes, one of them is a pensioner - but he has his own business, he gets it well and I can say for sure that these 26 million live better than you. And introduce a progressive scale - you’ll be the first to suffer from entering it, since the guys from the business will transfer all their expenses to the final cost of the product and then you will definitely learn a lot about yourself from the first comers - and about your ancestors, to the seventh generation - while they will cuddle.
              1. Alf
                Alf 4 October 2018 21: 27
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                And introduce a progressive scale - just you will be the first to suffer from entering it, since the guys from the business will transfer all their expenses to the final cost of production

                Then let's cancel all taxes, in theory all goods should collapse in price. Will you lower your prices? Only tales do not need to be told.
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 4 October 2018 08: 26
        +10
        themselves can save for retirement and assign any desired amount of payments.

        Yeah, go save it, you wise guy: the ruble depreciates every year, plus inflation .... and now, it seems, people have decided to get to the currency stash ... sad
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 11
          -4
          And what percentage of Russian citizens have foreign currency deposits - I’m surprised if even 5% is typed.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 October 2018 11: 41
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            And what percentage of Russian citizens have foreign currency deposits - I’m surprised if even 5% is typed.

            5%, not 5% ... But taking into account the robbery of all bank deposits of the population with an artificial default by the "young reformers" in 1998, the financial crisis of 2008, as well as the "mistakes" of the Central Bank of Russia in 2014 with more than a 2-fold drop in value Russian ruble, many Russians have transferred subsequent family savings into FOREIGN currency.
            Even now, financial analysts do not recommend keeping all their savings in only one currency - that is, as they say, they suggest not keeping all the "eggs" in one "basket".
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 October 2018 14: 08
              -4
              And rightly recommend, my choice is the dollar and the euro, in the bank cell and the stock exchange. In 2014, the ruble was deliberately dropped, since revenues from hydrocarbons to the budget fell by half, I had to compensate - the expenses weren’t lost.
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      4. New Year day
        New Year day 4 October 2018 08: 32
        +17
        Quote: KOCMOC
        Doctors, children, also prescribe bitter pills, they will understand will grow.

        What's the catch, explain: "The pension reform after the presidential amendments will give a negative financial result for the state," Vladimir Putin said on October 2 at a meeting with the government. "The Cabinet must find funds to finance these changes," the head of state said.
        Why was the garden fenced if the treasury still had to fork out, but millions of people left without the prospect of old age?
        1. Gerklim
          Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 25
          +3
          Treasury is taxes. And taxes are paid by citizens. This is all a subtle hint to raise them (taxes). And then, with a tear and an imaginary reluctance, the guarantor will again protrude through the box, that the belts need to be tightened tight for a bright future.
      5. volot-voin
        volot-voin 4 October 2018 09: 00
        +2
        Quote: KOCMOC
        Doctors, children, also prescribe bitter pills, they will understand will grow. Although there is an alternative, people may not deduct their hard-earned pension funds.

        For many, the employer deducts. Do you offer everyone to switch to the gray RFP? Saving for example from 15000-20000 in the province - it should be fun and fussy.
      6. Mishka78
        Mishka78 4 October 2018 10: 39
        +6
        Sorry, but this is how not to deduct? I would love to keep this money for myself, and my employer also does not mind giving it to me, rather than transferring it to the PFRF. This is 1/4 of my salary. Based on the calculator on the PFRF website, I will be paid a pension in the amount of approximately 1/3 of these monthly deductions. Not from salaries, mind you, but from deductions. Well, to hell with me this kitchen? That's just the line with two refuse these deductions, our most just and honest state. And the employer will drive for Mozhai.
      7. AUL
        AUL 4 October 2018 10: 45
        +2
        Quote: KOCMOC
        people may not deduct their hard-earned income from a pension fund, but they themselves can save for retirement and assign any desired amount of payments.

        Here you are and advise those who are now over forty. Only from a great distance, or they can offend with action!
      8. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 4 October 2018 11: 48
        +2
        This is how you can accumulate with constant inflation? We do not live in the USSR with stable prices.
    3. SSR
      SSR 4 October 2018 07: 59
      +19
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Unpopular reforms add no one to rating

      The people would "agree" with the unpopular reforms, but the contrast is obvious. The largest companies that are supposedly Russian, which draw the resources of our country, but for some reason they are under the jurisdiction of the same Virgin Islands and their leaders are close or sit in the government and then these people crying increase our VAT and Health in our work wassat
      Quote: Nychego
      He does not run in full gear, but flies on the first board - he does not get tired on the road.

      Believe me, it’s very exhausting to work with the information on which a lot depends, I have two in depression, one in psychosis (I did engineering surveys on the loose).
      Quote: KOCMOC
      Although there is an alternative, people may not pay their hard-earned money to a pension fund, but they may save for themselves

      Yeah ... only here they are trying by all means, both cash and cashless to take complete control. They cannot take it from the rich, it is necessary to take it from the volume, that is, from the people.
      1. KOCMOC
        KOCMOC 4 October 2018 12: 51
        -3
        Now you all live and work for yourself, make money for yourself, you decide what and how to do it yourself, you determine your life and are free people in the framework of the law. Nobody is forcing you personally or forcing you to anything. But while living and living in your state, society, you are all obligated to pay, from your income, taxes, for the maintenance of the structures of this very state, whose responsibility is to ensure the order of the police, army security, and government laws. All. All other obligations of the state arise from the need determined by the company and for the funds allocated by this company in the form of taxes. And no one has the right to demand more from the state, all the more so than others. No one will be able to give you more than you yourself allocate.
    4. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 6 October 2018 06: 42
      +1
      Why be surprised? Putin is the president and head of the ruling class, capitalism in Russia and Putin leads the bourgeoisie, and all reforms related to taxes go to ordinary citizens, the government knows it will tighten their belts and stretch, as always in Russia.
  4. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 06: 40
    +16
    Something that needs to be painted on ... repeat
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 October 2018 08: 33
      +1
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Something that needs to be painted on ... repeat

      I can tell you what to paint on ... yes To the head - chopping block and executioner ...
  5. Moore
    Moore 4 October 2018 06: 42
    +29
    I suppose the Darkest really doesn't care about this rating. Both on your own and on ERovsky - the main thing is that the buttons are correct stings.
    The deadline is to look for a successor, prepare him and the electorate, push all unpopular issues through the manual Duma.
    Hassle - do not count. And then some kind of rating ...
    1. Стена
      Стена 4 October 2018 07: 05
      +13
      Not the darkest, but rather dark. And it will never be the brightest.
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 4 October 2018 08: 24
      +16
      Quote: Moore
      I suppose the Darkest really doesn't care about this rating. Both on your own and on ERovsky - the main thing is that the buttons are correct stings.
      The deadline is to look for a successor, prepare him and the electorate, push all unpopular issues through the manual Duma.
      Hassle - do not count. And then some kind of rating ...


      here you can simply say - aerobatics in "rabbit breeding"! Starting from the time of adoption and announcement, we have cool psychotechnologists at the top ... Until recently, some naive even here, at VO, foaming at the mouth, defended the president - they say, nothing has been adopted yet, and you are already spreading panic! Let's wait for the speech ... Now he will protect us ... Timid voices - everything is not so, then it will be too late - "enemies of the people" were branded. Surely, even after the announcement of the new old government, they have not cleared their brains? At all times, the common people had a hard time, there is nothing to whine and hope for a "good king." Now he doesn't even need to pay attention to all sorts of "little things" - the elections are over, the next ones are not for him, therefore - forward, to building a "bright" future, but only for individual individuals, and to which now many of us will not live ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 4 October 2018 08: 36
        +10
        Quote: Yuyuka
        Until recently, some naive people even here, at the VO, defended the president with foam at the mouth - they say nothing has been taken yet, and you are already raising a panic! Let's wait for the performance ... Well, he will protect us ...

        it was a deal! It was hot then, people believed in him, although indeed, after Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, everything fell into place for me. It is strange that adults, wise people did not see this.
    3. Gerklim
      Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 29
      +1
      Yes, he himself said, or his voice Peskov, that he did not give a damn about the rating, as well as the people.
  6. loginovich
    loginovich 4 October 2018 06: 42
    +29
    Hero! He saved the economy with his rating. The truth slightly reduced the population of retirement age. But who people think when they save the economy?
    1. art266
      art266 4 October 2018 10: 08
      +11
      He is not saving the economy. He cares about the welfare of the ruling class.
      1. loginovich
        loginovich 4 October 2018 14: 05
        0
        Quote: art266
        He cares about the welfare of the ruling class.

        this is exactly what I had in mind
  7. Iline
    Iline 4 October 2018 06: 48
    +32
    People judge by deeds, not words. And the authorities have been engaged in verbiage lately several times a day. And even more believe their wallets, and not the data of some Rosstat.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 October 2018 06: 50
      +14
      Quote: Iline
      And even more believe their wallets, and not the data of some Rosstat.

      There are comrades here who with foam at the mouth will prove the opposite! laughing
    2. Gerklim
      Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 33
      0
      Verbiage is the only thing to do. But there is no real business. What is in domestic politics, what is in foreign. But in the economy, as it turned out, they only know how to harm.
  8. private person
    private person 4 October 2018 06: 49
    +38
    The rating fell while the retirement age and VAT rose. They wanted to spit on these ratings, in which case the elections will still show the "necessary" percentages.
    1. igor1981
      igor1981 4 October 2018 08: 39
      +16
      Quote: private person
      The rating fell while the retirement age and VAT rose. They wanted to spit on these ratings, in which case the elections will still show the "necessary" percentages.

      That's right. The more a person is in power, the more he breaks away from the real life of the population. Now, if GDP declared that it would increase VAT and the retirement age before the presidential election and win (there would be a second round and there he would have beaten anyone anyway), then he would at least have the moral right to do so. And now it is at least vile ... After this scam, I personally do not respect GDP anymore.
  9. Altona
    Altona 4 October 2018 06: 58
    +29
    Lost and drank everything you can. Indulges your friends in everything. He spent Brezhnev at his post, broke away from the people completely.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 4 October 2018 07: 00
    +16
    The rating of the President has fallen, and what will happen now? Will prices go down? Or maybe the retirement age will drop ..? .. In short, the working day was gone ... All thoughts about the President’s fallen rating ... and its consequences ...
  11. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 4 October 2018 07: 09
    +10
    it will still fall, because yesterday Putin signed the law on the retirement refome for execution, and now the `` grateful people '' will go to mass rallies against this law. To restore the people's confidence in Putin, he needs to start restoring the country's economy.
    1. Law abiding citizen
      Law abiding citizen 4 October 2018 07: 23
      +25
      Let me disagree with you, the "grateful people" will not go anywhere. Not before the rallies, the overwhelming majority of the "grateful people" must somehow survive. hi
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 4 October 2018 07: 30
        +15
        law abiding citizen hi - in Rostov-on-Don, we are indignant residents of pre-retirement age, who are now 58-59 years old, are eager to arrange a grand rally against this reform, with the demand to repeal the law on pension reform. I will go or not, I don’t know, but the new age is huge, especially since and the work in the region was no longer, and even vice versa, and even more so, due to the influx of guest workers, the work has become MORE difficult to find.
        1. Weight
          Weight 4 October 2018 08: 10
          -22
          Naturally, there is NO work, because you will not work on those jobs where migrant workers work ....
          Pensioners are dissatisfied, it is Natural .... And the next, in 5 years, what size pension will other pensioners live? Or do you think in the whole world stupid, and you are the most .....
          Googol in hand and see how many years go in other countries
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 October 2018 08: 17
            +19
            Quote: Kettlebell
            Googol in hand and see how many years go in other countries

            So give us the same standard of living as in those countries that you give us as an example, give us the level of medicine like theirs, so that our average age is not 55 for men, but 75-80 .. Let’s average salary as they will have 3 dollars, or 000 rubles. Inflation as they have 200-000%, so that people can save .. Mortgage 2% and so on. More ..
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 20
            +15
            Quote: Kettlebell
            Googol in hand and see how many years go in other countries

            Just about, take Googol, and study the average age, and count how much they live on a pension.
          3. Gerklim
            Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 39
            +2
            Here you are in the course of business only with Google and are familiar. Try yourself to work as a janitor. Enough for a new Google phone? And they (pensioners) do not want to work, you say. Not all such jumpers showed like a box. Health at work is at a loss.
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 4 October 2018 08: 33
          +5
          Quote: ANCIENT
          law abiding citizen hi - in Rostov-on-Don, we are indignant residents of pre-retirement age, who are now 58-59 years old, are eager to arrange a grand rally against this reform, with the demand to repeal the law on pension reform. I will go or not, I don’t know, but the new age is huge, especially since and the work in the region was no longer, and even vice versa, and even more so, due to the influx of guest workers, the work has become MORE difficult to find.


          eh ... would say ... a powerful obscene .... yes again banned for one letter only recourse
          no need to mislead people - no one will go anywhere ... we held an authorized rally in Rostov-on-Don, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation organized ... so what? there were several pitiful thousand in total! Yes, the match was more at the new stadium. The petition against the pension reform - I got almost three million! Is it a lot or a little? And it has always been and will always be dissatisfied, but it has nothing to do with changing state policy. "You can shout here even until nightfall! But I've already used up all the tape!" (c) (Leonid Sergeev "Filming a movie")
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 21
            -4
            A petition for 3 million out of 72 million workers - speaks for itself that the drum the lion's share of the population of Russia on this reform.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 4 October 2018 19: 17
              0
              Yes, yes, all the same on the drum, when to retire ... ahah, ridiculed, burn more ... laughing
              Just 98% have not heard anything about this petition. If you knew about it, it would be all 72 million. tongue
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 October 2018 20: 04
                -3
                For several months, 98% of all have been talking about pension reform about a petition that popped up in almost every forum - on the radio, on television, in the newspapers, none of them saw or heard! - If the brake itself is full, then do not make all the other brakes.
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 4 October 2018 20: 16
                  +1
                  Tales do not tell here! I just heard and signed.
                  Where on television was the petition against reform? On Kisel TV, which drowned with might and main for reform, telling about what kind of happiness to retire 5 years later?
                  They secretly moved a petition against reform? !!! What do you use, huh?
                  And the forums with us, alas, not everyone visits, much less with the petition
                  Here VO, like the all-Russian resource, known, but there are a lot of views? 25-30 thousand, just that. And then they read through the line, and even after four. Although, of course, banal laziness also cannot be discounted, but the main thing is non-awareness.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 5 October 2018 00: 33
                    0
                    She was on social networks and talked about her on TV, but you probably missed it - if people were against the reform, they would all go out to mass protests like in the 90s, and even more so they would all flood to this very petition, which is super accessible, on any phone - on the Internet, go check in and laziness has absolutely nothing to do with it, and your "98% have not heard" is a cheap fairy tale, to justify your minority, alas, an established fact - 3 million against the reform - out of 72 million employed and 42 million already pensioners -Usho.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 4 October 2018 08: 43
        +11
        Quote: Law Abiding Citizen
        Let me disagree with you, the "grateful people" will not go anywhere.

        there is still a supply of people. That's when it ends, then there will be a booze. The closest comrades abandoned Nicholas II and the Central Committee of the CPSU, although recently everyone praised them. How much rope does not twist ....

        that's what Old Man said
        1. Detective
          Detective 4 October 2018 09: 28
          -2
          And after that, Putin went to beg for money ?!
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 22
          -4
          Horsch already post all sorts of beggars.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 4 October 2018 20: 01
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Horsch already post all sorts of beggars.

            what about our beggars? Who wants to receive investments from abroad? Name or guess yourself?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 October 2018 00: 36
              -2
              Given that we have ended their begging under sanctions, they won’t give money.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 4 October 2018 07: 55
      +11
      Quote: ANCIENT
      in order to regain the confidence of the people, Putin needs to tackle the restoration of the country's economy.

      you can go the other way - to introduce a progressive tax for the rich, so that no one would be offended
      1. Alone
        Alone 4 October 2018 08: 10
        +16
        Quote: aybolyt678
        introduce a progressive tax for the rich

        that Putin, that Medvedev have said many times that this step is out of the question. Why will they offend themselves and their environment.
        1. Weight
          Weight 4 October 2018 08: 12
          -8
          something I have not heard about * step excluded *
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 4 October 2018 08: 16
        +6
        Well, right now, they’ll drop everything and begin to squeeze the bourgeois. Well, that is yourself.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 4 October 2018 08: 19
        +15
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: ANCIENT
        in order to regain the confidence of the people, Putin needs to tackle the restoration of the country's economy.

        you can go the other way - to introduce a progressive tax for the rich, so that no one would be offended

        This is just one of the measures that needs to be introduced .. But the bees cannot be against honey .. In general, if we nationalize oil and gas companies, producers of alcohol, then this will be enough to double the pensions and not raise the retirement age. .
  12. anjey
    anjey 4 October 2018 07: 12
    -13
    Or maybe the devil is not so terrible as he is painted ...
  13. milling machine
    milling machine 4 October 2018 07: 20
    +12
    Krymnash injections stopped working.
    It doesn’t matter, now something new will be muddied and people will behave clinging to the TV screens.
    1. dauria
      dauria 4 October 2018 07: 55
      +11
      Now something new will be muddied and people will be led


      So already muddied, and a successor appointed. Even in the article - the rating of the army is growing, the president is falling. By the elections it will be announced that someone was defeated somewhere and the most missile missiles. In a word Shoigu. He is from their company, from Obkomov’s children.
    2. Gerklim
      Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 45
      +2
      There’s nothing to stir up. Only taxes can raise. The people soon will not reach the box, but will stretch in the square.
  14. Brigadier
    Brigadier 4 October 2018 07: 38
    +36
    "... the confidence rating of Vladimir Putin as the country's president collapsed by 17% over the year. At the moment, it is about 58%."
    I'm not sure that his rating today is 58%. I proceed from my own observations ...
    In the March elections, almost half of my friends voted for him and supported his policy (I personally voted for Grudinin).
    Although in the previous elections I also voted for Putin.
    However, after he, after the election, appointed Prime Minister Medvedev, his rating among my friends who voted for him went down sharply ...
    And when he spoke for his own cannibalistic pension "reform", then his rating just collapsed and now among my friends there not a single personwho would vote for him and edrosov if the elections were today!
    Can you imagine? NO ONE !!!
    And here they say about the rating - 58%. This is nonsense! His rating is much lower.
    These are life observations ...
    1. Weight
      Weight 4 October 2018 08: 02
      -27
      Life observations are such- this is your opinion and not the opinion of many people .... This is your nonsense!
    2. Alone
      Alone 4 October 2018 08: 13
      +2
      Quote: Brigadier
      NO ONE

      many people are apolitical and just as many believe in "a good tsar and bad boyars." There are no Putin fans in your circle, but in fact there are still a lot of them.
      1. Weight
        Weight 4 October 2018 08: 26
        -17
        In my environment, the majority are for Putin ... no, you have to write fakes without knowing me and my environment ..
        * in fact, they are still * - in fact, it’s not enough for you and it remains for you, only on the forums, to show ONLY YOUR point of view .... Therefore, in order not to talk to your like, I’ll just say TROLLS on 15- 20 accounts, so they create the illusion of the mass of their paid point of view and WHAT_TO put on the opinions of others, provides a calm and happy life.
        1. Weight
          Weight 4 October 2018 10: 31
          -8
          wow, how excited about a * calm and happy life *
          Ladies and girls, your Ranks and your opinion are of little interest to me, just as mine is to you ... But, it is so interesting when you are minus .... It means the truth is that the liberals and the pan-brethren are BROTHERS love
        2. AUL
          AUL 4 October 2018 11: 00
          +11
          Quote: Kettlebell
          In my environment, most are for Putin

          Kettlebell, and please tell us about your environment - what kind of people, where and by whom they work, at what age, etc.
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        4. Alone
          Alone 16 October 2018 10: 34
          0
          Quote: Kettlebell
          so as not to talk to your kind

          Did I contact you?
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 4 October 2018 14: 45
      +3
      Quote: Brigadier
      Can you imagine? NO ONE !!!
      And here they say about the rating - 58%. This is nonsense! His rating is much lower.

      Among his entourage, he has a rating of 100%, and do you have friends billionaires ?? smile
  15. shans2
    shans2 4 October 2018 07: 39
    +11
    Well, many would like to see the military at the head see the military, as in Egypt ... with all the consequences for the liberals in the government, Israel, etc. ... and so on ... A progressive tax is generally a necessity ... Under the current government they will not introduce him, only under pain of executions.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 27
      -3
      Yes, Egypt, they now have an enclave with militants there, at their side, which they have not been able to knock out for five years - and this is the power of the military.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 October 2018 20: 06
        0
        Not a single argument against - means agree.
  16. gla172
    gla172 4 October 2018 07: 41
    +12
    .... but still all that remains is to believe ..... but for now, everything is as always ....
    ....... The worst thing is that the state machine writes laws “for itself”. And forcibly forces society to fulfill them. Naturally, a criminal state does not tolerate insiders of honor and conscience. They prevent him from devouring his own people. Therefore, there is no need for illusions regarding our Russian state. It must be changed ...... But it must be changed so that society can control officials ......
    1. Weight
      Weight 4 October 2018 08: 00
      -22
      are you by any chance not a * cook * who can rule the state? Society can never rule, but control itself - THIS IS FROM A FIELD OF FANTASY
      1. kebeskin
        kebeskin 4 October 2018 08: 10
        0
        We already have the rules in Russia "Cook Marta" Ekaterina I. Nothing good happened.
        1. Weight
          Weight 4 October 2018 08: 11
          -5
          And what did Lenin say?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 23
            +2
            Quote: Kettlebell
            And what did Lenin say?

            That a cook cannot rule the state, however.
          2. Yegorchik
            Yegorchik 4 October 2018 10: 42
            +10
            Kettlebell here is Lenin's phrase - 'We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately take over the government. '' Now I believe you that most of your friends are for Putin, they are apparently as stupid as you are.
      2. AUL
        AUL 4 October 2018 11: 02
        -1
        Quote: Kettlebell
        are you by any chance not a * cook * who can rule the state? Society can never rule, but control itself - THIS IS FROM A FIELD OF FANTASY

        Is all power from God?
  17. Alexper
    Alexper 4 October 2018 07: 42
    +13
    The main thing is that people suffer, and for those who suffer such humiliation and mockery, listening to what kind of locks the authorities and those close to them build power, purchases of expensive cars and furniture, reading about real estate abroad and the children of officials in the same place - there are also taxes add.

    The people do not even go out to peaceful demonstrations - this is how much you need to be passive and weak.

    The rating fell .. It’s not difficult for him to raise this rating - he has already raised it with different options.
    1. Weight
      Weight 4 October 2018 07: 58
      -16
      Do you write revealing comments under the American flag? Very funny
    2. Gerklim
      Gerklim 4 October 2018 12: 51
      +4
      The majority of people are working, they have no time to rally, they need to earn money. Or scared and afraid, everyone knows how our law enforcement officers can disperse rallies.
    3. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 4 October 2018 20: 25
      0
      This is when "different options" could be supported with money.
      Now things are bad - there is no money. So "different options" don't seem to work this time.
  18. O. Bender
    O. Bender 4 October 2018 07: 43
    +23
    He has the last term as president, so he doesn’t give a damn about all ratings from the Spasskaya Tower. Make sure that a new mess begins with a new receiver and a new party. And about the drop in the rating of the voiced nonsense, the drop is even lower, at least in my midst and among my friends are acquaintances.
  19. akims
    akims 4 October 2018 07: 52
    +11
    Our rating is generally negative. They don’t trust him, they all hate and despise him, and what? People on the new Maidan climb? Whose cones?
  20. Weight
    Weight 4 October 2018 07: 57
    -13
    I hope you remember what Putin said about the ratings and the rest of the nonsense .... IT'S A LITTLE EXCITING IT ...
    So, go ahead, write whatever you want, you can’t do anything, but try, it will hurt your ass ... I wonder how many * lovers * Putin there are, cons went, face lol
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 4 October 2018 09: 01
      +11
      When Putin was asked what he would like to his grandchildren, he said "DO NOT LIE". But he himself was lying.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 4 October 2018 19: 24
        -1
        Putin lied
        Putin is lying
        Putin will lie!
    2. kitt409
      kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 38
      0
      what are you "formidable", "peshi ischo", such postures as yours best "increase" confidence in the authorities)))) and we do not try, we are already doing, but such "movers" as you still do not understand this. )))
  21. Machito
    Machito 4 October 2018 07: 58
    +21
    The new pension reform offers nothing new. This is putting off problems. I’m not surprised if, after eight years, the retirement age will be raised by another five. The stupidities and mediocrity in the government - the main threat to Russia
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 October 2018 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: Bearded
      The stupidities and mediocrity in the government - the main threat to Russia

      The main threat to Russia is the indifference of citizens to their fate. I’ll tell you more, if there was any ..... they splashed green stuff on their faces, put an urn on their heads or stuffed them in a trash can ... then laws would be adopted that would suit most ...
      So far, everything suits everyone exactly as it is. And "talking" and "carrying bags" are two big differences ...
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 4 October 2018 14: 51
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The main threat to Russia is the indifference of citizens to their fate.

        Very beautiful ... but, in my opinion, not exactly. Citizens are divided, struck by the virus of individualism, indifference to others, are sure that in difficult times no one will give a hand. A generation is lost.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 4 October 2018 20: 37
          +1
          Very beautiful ... but in my opinion not exactly. Citizens are simply divided, buying power loyalty by the opportunity to earn money during oil growth, taking advantage of this, trampled all sprouts of public institutions - the opposition, independent media, and trade unions. And people just don’t know what to do. But they are not at all indifferent. You just need to work on organizing a protest, just like that, nothing will grow out of nothing, especially if you do nothing.
  22. Million
    Million 4 October 2018 08: 09
    +9
    If he had known his real rating! And even he keeps only on "if not Putin, then who?"
  23. Polkanov
    Polkanov 4 October 2018 08: 09
    +4
    ... blevocenter. Another institution and nkao ...
  24. Boris55
    Boris55 4 October 2018 08: 16
    -13
    ... rating of the president of Russia after his approval of pension changes ...

    Can anyone provide me with evidence that Putin somewhere, when he said that he approves of pension reform? Not the comments of the commentators, but the direct speech of the president. Not when, nor where did he say such a thing!

    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 25
      +13
      Quote: Boris55
      Has Putin once said that he approves of pension reform? Not when, nor where did he say such a thing!

      Of course! Hedgehogs cried, but continued to stubbornly climb a cactus.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 October 2018 08: 35
        -6
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Hedgehogs cried, but continued to stubbornly climb a cactus.
        A link to the president’s direct speech, where he directly declares his support for pension changes, can we give? Or how?

        The ratings of the blevar of the center and the bourgeois businessman speak of the degree of media fooling the people, their effectiveness in influencing people's minds. It seems that their efforts have not spared you.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 38
          -1
          Quote: Boris55
          Or how

          Boris, stop joking. Of course, an increase is bad, but it is necessary, the people live for a long time, you can’t save any budget.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 4 October 2018 08: 43
            +4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            promotion is bad but necessary

            Recently, infa slipped on TV that according to some kind of world organization, by 30-50, one third of the world's population will be unemployed. And we, by extending the retirement period, are blocking jobs for young people. Where it goes - right, on the barricades, to destroy everything.

            The fact that there is no money is a junk. There is no economic justification for the need to increase the retirement age.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 October 2018 11: 33
              0
              Unfortunately there is.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 4 October 2018 13: 15
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Unfortunately there is.

                There are only one emotions. And by the way - where is the indignation of the people organized by at least one party, who every time before the next election tell us tales about how they fight for our happiness?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 4 October 2018 14: 54
                  +3
                  +++++ no party people! no one is able to fight for the people
            2. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 4 October 2018 15: 09
              +2
              Boris55
              "There is no business case for raising the retirement age."
              https://youtu.be/l70OijkIWnI
              When such professionals are at the helm, next year it will be necessary to shift the retirement age again by five years!
              Too lazy to open the link:
              As a result of the "competent" actions of Elvira Sahibvzadovna, Russia in 2017 and 2018 lost 6 billion 162 million dollars!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 October 2018 15: 53
                -3
                The rise in oil prices, these losses are instantly compensated - so do not worry, the money is not yours.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 4 October 2018 16: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The rise in oil prices, these losses are instantly compensated - so do not worry, the money is not yours.

                  I’m constantly losing money from a holey pocket! Yes, garbage, I'll give you more!
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 4 October 2018 20: 08
                    0
                    What a holey pocket - the market is always a risk if you are not in the know.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 October 2018 08: 40
      +11
      Can anyone provide me with evidence that Putin somewhere, when he said that he approves of pension reform? Not the comments of the commentators, but the direct speech of the president. Not when, nor where did he say such a thing!

      And "what" did he sign at 2 am (just like a thief who does his dark affairs, with his gang, at night)? You really look so stupid in your "infallible" love for the subject. Probably, you want to say that around him stood gloomy boyars with pistols and knives bald, hissing angrily: "Sign!" and the subject, crying, shedding tears, signed ..... Or kavarny Medvedev, put the guards to sleep, sneaked into the Tsar's bedchamber and leading him with his sleeping hand himself, signed this document and left with a gloating grin ... Do you really not understand how you look in in the eyes of others?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 October 2018 08: 47
        -10
        Quote: Snail N9
        And what did he sign at 2 am?

        Can he not sign?
        Constitution of the Russian Federation. Article 107. Clause 3 "... it is subject to signing by the President ..." And look at the video that I posted.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 4 October 2018 09: 03
          +4
          .... and that the President cannot resign ahead of schedule, having said that he will not sign a document which, in his opinion, is "antipopular"?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 October 2018 09: 30
            -7
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            .... and that the President cannot resign ahead of schedule, having said that he will not sign a document which, in his opinion, is "antipopular"?

            Your compatriots, I understand, would be extremely happy about this.

            One minus is mine, yes.
          2. Boris55
            Boris55 4 October 2018 09: 46
            -9
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            and that the President cannot resign early

            Five months after the election? belay Dream on! laughing
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 4 October 2018 19: 32
              +2
              Yeah, dream on!
              Five years later, he would not leave, as the tick grabbed onto a chair.
        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 4 October 2018 09: 30
          +10
          Can he not sign?

          Are you kidding me? You, you constantly repeated to your opponents that nothing has been decided about pensions yet, there is nothing to worry about, like "has he already signed the law?" And now, they brought in another organ-type, how could he not sign?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 4 October 2018 09: 47
            -7
            Quote: Snail N9
            Are you kidding me?

            You watch the video! Then we'll talk. There, the entire chronology of events is laid out on the shelves.

            = Snitch N9A now, they brought in another organ-type, how could he not sign?

            Look through my comments, I wrote about this a month ago.
        3. Claymore
          Claymore 4 October 2018 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          Can he not sign?

          Not only can (no one canceled the veto right), but it is also obliged (he is the guarantor of the constitution, and this law directly contradicts it).

          Article 107. paragraph 3 "... it is subject to signature by the President ..."

          Sectarian KOB finally lied laughing

          107.3 If the President of the Russian Federation rejects it within fourteen days from the date of receipt of the federal law, the State Duma and the Council of the Federation will again consider this law in the manner prescribed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. If upon reconsideration federal law will be approved as amended by a majority of at least two-thirds of the vote of the total number of members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, it shall be signed by the President of the Russian Federation within seven days and made public.

          Wherein:
          15.1 Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct action and applies throughout the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation shall not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

          Borya, do you look disgusted in the mirror? smile
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 5 October 2018 07: 38
            0
            Quote: Claymore
            Cultist BER

            A sect is a structure. Let's say a Christian sect has a priest, a priest, a clerk, etc. .. To call a collection of books a sect is what kind of genius should one be? :)

            Quote: Claymore
            107.3 If President of the Russian Federation

            And what's this? Read the article to the end - was there no strength? :)

            Quote: Claymore
            15.1 The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force,

            See the answer in my post below.
            1. Claymore
              Claymore 6 October 2018 04: 05
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              A sect is a structure

              A sect is a teaching that is not a mass and officially recognized one, in which the figure of God plays a decisive role.

              And this is what?

              In addition to the fact that the sectarian KOB finally lies, the president can not only not sign the law, but he was obliged to do so in this case.

              See the answer in my post below.

              There is nothing to watch.

              The law that raises the retirement age (and thereby detracts from the rights of a citizen of the Russian Federation) is not only not aimed at protecting the foundations of the constitutional system, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests, or ensuring the defense and security of the state, but it also directly contradicts the foundations of the constitutional system, and but it undermines the morality and health of the vast majority of citizens, while violating their rights and legitimate interests.

              Once again I ask - do not you look disgusted in the mirror?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 October 2018 08: 45
      +9
      Quote: Boris55
      Here(,) me whonegative (-) lead can anyone provide evidence that Putin wherenegative (-) lead whennegative (-) lead he said that he approves of pension reform? Neithercapacitor positive (+) lead when neithercapacitor positive (+) lead where he didn’t say that!

      Let the Russian language teacher explain to you ... lol
      Are you, judging by the number "55", born in 1955 or are you just 55 years old? wassat Then you can look in the Constitution of the Russian Federation the duties and rights of the president and the rights and obligations of citizens that he is obliged to observe (to be a guarantor) ... wassat
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 October 2018 08: 49
        -7
        Quote: ROSS 42
        which he must observe

        And what article of the Constitution did the president violate?
        1. passing
          passing 4 October 2018 10: 02
          +14
          And what article of the Constitution did the president violate?

          Dear, take off your helmet.
          And you, dear president, vskidku, violated paragraph 2 of article 55 of the constitution

          "2. The Russian Federation must not issue laws that abolish or diminish the rights and freedoms of a person and a citizen."
          To your next question, "and where are the rights violated here?", I will answer, yes, you go already, and buy a constitution, and at least read
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 4 October 2018 11: 21
            -7
            Quote: passing
            Dear, take off your helmet.

            And the 3-th paragraph of the same article - read:

            "... Rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited federal law only to the extent necessary for protection purposes the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others , ensuring the country's defense and state security ".

            Interests other persons met? Quite! The article should be read in full, and not pull out from it only what you like.

            The President cannot sign only those laws that are contrary to the Constitution, of which he is the guarantor.
  25. Weight
    Weight 4 October 2018 08: 19
    -14
    Quote: Svarog
    Let the average salary, as they will have 3 dollars, or 000 rubles.

    It’s immediately obvious that they didn’t live where the salaries were not 3000, but much less. And what's interesting in the same America ...
    By the way, cons are an indicator of intelligence lol
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 October 2018 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: Kettlebell
      By the way, cons are an indicator of intelligence

      Agree laughing hi
    2. kitt409
      kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 45
      0
      "By the way," as exactly written)))
  26. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 4 October 2018 08: 19
    +12
    I invite the site administration to post its survey of readers on the trust of the guarantor. It would be interesting to see the results on the patriotic site itself.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 October 2018 08: 52
      -1
      Quote: ramzes1776
      I invite the site administration to post its survey of readers on the trust of the guarantor. It would be interesting to see the results on the patriotic site itself.

      I agree. For purely domestic interest. Today I bought a watermelon and on the way home I recalled that in Soviet times you could buy a watermelon at a price of 25 rubles per kg at any time of the year ... lol
      The whole interest of our life is that for every citizen you need to find (for a good life) a well-paid job in order to taste the delights of a new, capitalist life ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 4 October 2018 13: 06
      -7
      Quote: ramzes1776
      I invite the site administration to post its survey of readers on the trust of the guarantor.

      Before conducting the survey, I would like to hear, but do readers and visitors of the forum know that the president issues decrees and the Duma passes laws? Do they know that amendments to the law on pensions are the prerogative of the Duma, and not the president, who does not have the right to pass laws, interpret them, and not sign them?

      And then this poll may turn into an index of lack of information of those who voted on the basics of the Constitutional structure of power in Russia, their rights and obligations. laughing
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  28. asiat_61
    asiat_61 4 October 2018 08: 23
    +13
    He specifically watched as Putin persuaded the people to agree to work more. Little intelligible speech. Pension reform is an IMF recommendation back in May 2017. A progressive tax, well, someone will infringe on themselves.
  29. Altona
    Altona 4 October 2018 08: 23
    +11
    Quote: Brigadier
    Although in the previous elections I also voted for Putin.
    However, after he, after the election, appointed Prime Minister Medvedev, his rating among my friends who voted for him went down sharply ...

    --------------------------
    For the sake of objectivity, I’ll say that until 2014, Putin quite successfully managed his job despite all the shortcomings of his system, but now some kind of complete hardcore has already begun. It became clear to everyone that the country has no future. People, especially in the provinces, feel the full package of antisocial laws in full. Pensions of parents really supported young families, because the young man has no support from the state as under Brezhnev socialism — the personnel department, a hostel, work or study. Yes, there wasn’t enough sausage, fashion pants, too, so the youth went in gray suits. But under socialism, enterprises built houses for workers, and now they cannot pay wages. The plants were bought by incomprehensible owners and the enterprises became strangers to the workers, although the workers were the same and the shops were the same.
    1. Стена
      Стена 4 October 2018 09: 29
      +4
      It could not be that until 2014 he managed well, and after - badly. All politics from the very beginning of his reign led to what we have today. It’s just that while his circle was robbing the country, everyone didn’t pay much attention to it, but when they got into the insolent pocket of your personal pocket (pension reform, housing and communal services, VAT, etc.), the population immediately began to see clearly. And, if we now analyze his actions since joining the presidency, then everything went to this.
      1. Mishka78
        Mishka78 4 October 2018 12: 05
        +4
        You're right. It was just that earlier it was possible to steal from frantic cash flows from oil, cheap foreign loans and there were no sanctions.
        Now the former full-flowing river has turned into a stream. But they didn’t stop stealing and the appetites didn’t decrease. So they found other sources of income. Now sheared from us, we are wordless for them, which is largely true. Look, the Communist Party tried to organize how many meetings against reform, and so what? 5-10 thousand in the 15 millionth Moscow!
  30. vanavatny
    vanavatny 4 October 2018 08: 26
    +10
    many did not have it in their heads: in the next six (less) years they promised to break out to first places everywhere, from space to the bowels, but did not warn that these, unchanged at the crossing and swam with fat, can only pull the udder, in general not everyone will feed the path to a bright future, but the elderly ballast will be mercilessly thrown away, well, okay, after a few years, after all, communism, or whatever they promised
  31. rocket757
    rocket757 4 October 2018 08: 27
    +1
    There is no point in talking about the power system and the upcoming receiver!
    First, everything is clear, and the second is still early.
    And so, in general .... well, we are very ready to worry about everything / everyone around and it is so easy to tear us away from contemplating our empty refrigerator !!! Although a pension issue, it is a question of questions, of course!
    Nothing will happen! We haven’t slipped into the hole yet, and there are some illusions, not for getting out, but for the fact that the “father” of the family will not let them slide to the very bottom, there is still. Moreover, the enemies on all sides are making faces, but we do not care, but led by our leader, on a ferocious BEAR !!!! Yes, we are knee-deep in the sea.
    Let’s be realistic, nothing will change .... except to slightly taut the authorities, force them to smooth out the most lousy decisions ..... and only if we gather together with the whole world or at least in a big \ significant association!
  32. Weight
    Weight 4 October 2018 08: 28
    -22
    Oh, how many O * lovers * of Putin V.V. (from Ukraine) flew under the flags of the Russian Federation
    Are you following Putin? Everywhere you swing * the Kremlin's Hand * ??? Beregivska Oblast Psychiatric Likarnia READY TO GIVE YOUR HANDS OF ADDITION TO YOU Address: Muzhievskaya st. 41 Beregovo, Transcarpathian region, Ukraine, 90200 Phone: +380 3141 22077
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 4 October 2018 09: 00
      +17
      Vitya take a break, he has already earned a prize, Vasya will replace you, and you go to another account, go oligarchs to praise ...
      Center
      lol
    2. Alf
      Alf 4 October 2018 17: 04
      +2
      Quote: Kettlebell
      Beregivska Oblast Psychiatric Likarnia READY TO GIVE YOU A HAND OF ADDITIVES Address: Muzhievskaya st. 41 Beregovo, Transcarpathian region, Ukraine, 90200 Phone: +380 3141 22077

      Do you work there? Or on treatment?
  33. Altona
    Altona 4 October 2018 08: 28
    +8
    Quote: Alexper
    The people do not even go out to peaceful demonstrations - this is how much you need to be passive and weak.

    ----------------------------
    Some of the people have turned into the petty bourgeoisie, have side incomes, a nice house and a few cars, they believe that they do not need a penny pension sop and they will survive it. A naive delusion, of course. The authorities are just looking at such, "yeah, they got fat, there were no such cars when they were scooped up, and there were few cars in private ownership, here's a tax, here's a tax, pay for this and that."
  34. Romanenko
    Romanenko 4 October 2018 08: 30
    +6
    It’s his own fault, Madvedeva did not drive the shobla out, now he is reaping the benefits.
    1. Стена
      Стена 4 October 2018 09: 35
      +10
      Well here again. The king is good, and the boyars are bad. Understand he is one of them - flesh from flesh.
  35. sleeve
    sleeve 4 October 2018 08: 33
    -13
    No, well, how not to strike a couple of lines in such a topic? Hooray! Putin's rating has dropped ... Well, I am sorry. It's like the laborers in the director's smoking room are discussing. And not in terms of belittling the status of citizens of the Russian Federation to the level of "unskilled workers", but in terms of participation in processes and their understanding as a systematic event. I'm too lazy to tear off the polls, but talking about globality is ours! Come on with him with this rating. He told everyone in person that it would be unpopular further. And moreover, he did not pour everything into the government, but went out and divided the negative and directed it to himself. If only one of the "clerks" on garlic would write: "It's bad to live in the country, but I don't work in it, I don't pay taxes and generally love Switzerland" and then compare my "rating" with Putin's. Moreover, he wrote his "affairs" in a column opposite his affairs for 18 years. That would be the move! An act with a capital letter, even if the sign opposite to "Cancellation of oil rent" would have read "Repair of a dog booth."
  36. ZVS
    ZVS 4 October 2018 08: 33
    +18
    The people are beginning to understand in whose interests the president is working. It was not for nothing that yesterday at the economic forum he so zealously defended the interests of the alleged "national property" of Gazprom. To sell off all the bowels of Russia in the interests of close friends-oligarchs and leave nothing to descendants, this is the goal of our government. And high-tech industries like aircraft, engine, automotive, space, radio electronics, etc. let Europe, Asia and the USA develop.
  37. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 October 2018 08: 37
    +13
    Well, in the first 58 he had at the time of the election, the missing ones were drawn.
    Secondly, even if before the next election it drops to a minus, they wanted to spit. Especially since the next Putin Center
    Well, if a miracle happens and a people's power appears, then it will not be necessary to work until the ratings.
    1. Detective
      Detective 4 October 2018 09: 38
      -13
      Wow ... Of course, you will have to work hard at labor armies, enthusiasm and for the idea ... Again, probably a foreign one? And much more that! Red terror will be ?! Prohibit private property again? Disposing of money, disposing of money? And all 70 years to come, they will explain the decline in living standards as the heavy legacy of the Putin regime. And of course to compare all their achievements, as once the comrades in 1913! Good perspective! No, thanks!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 4 October 2018 14: 10
        +3
        Probably foreign again?
        Is Putin’s liberalism not a foreign idea? What are the fists now? Or is it now an increase in living standards?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2018 14: 14
      0
      And you know - "Putin Center" will be opened anyway.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 4 October 2018 19: 45
        0
        In Kolyma, yes. And all his friends will be sent there, to study the leader’s life path
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2018 20: 10
          0
          Not in Moscow - you will go to Kolyma to work.
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 4 October 2018 20: 54
            -1
            I already worked there laughing
            Now it’s the turn of others who brought the country
          2. kitt409
            kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 50
            0
            Judging by your biography and views, you have more chances)
      2. kitt409
        kitt409 5 October 2018 20: 50
        -1
        The main thing is why ...
  38. Stiletto_711
    Stiletto_711 4 October 2018 08: 44
    +2
    It is noted that he returned to the "Dokrym" indicators.

    Now you need to return Alaska to its home harbor and everything will settle down good
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 October 2018 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Stilett_71
      It is noted that he returned to the "Dokrym" indicators.

      Now you need to return Alaska to its home harbor and everything will settle down good

      Alaska is not Ukraine, it is the United States, but against the United States, press bench press with the guarantor. No Yars, Gauges, Walls will help. Grandmas confiscate honestly earned.
  39. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 4 October 2018 08: 45
    +11
    Yes, a little about% of GDP, I will move away from the pension reform, Ukraine issued GDP 3,8% in 2017, and talkers, talkers sitting in the White House and the Kremlin 1,5% of GDP in 2017, I am not a fan of this Ukraine, but at all channels of our corrupt, cynical state media talk about bad Ukraine, but not a single channel objectively said about bad pension reform, well, licking the ass of those sitting in high chairs, it's so "noble." Here is the answer about the professionalism and intelligence of those sitting in the chairs. You can already forget about 4% of GDP and even more as the GDP announced, "made a mistake back", the economic block let down, Dimka is to blame. Ugh, disgusting and it went to watch and listen to the weight of this booth.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2018 14: 17
      -2
      "Ukraine issued a GDP of 3,8%" - Yes, having collected debts of 10 billion, with a GDP of 82 billion - so, yes, she gave out - noodles to someone on the ears.
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  41. fif21
    fif21 4 October 2018 08: 59
    +7
    What I earned, I got it. Ahead of the elections to the Duma and the President. ER and not Dimon will be able to win them, only by rigidly bending the Central Election Commission. They have one in a thousand chances. The people will never forget Stalin’s repressions, and Putin’s pensions. hi
  42. Стена
    Стена 4 October 2018 09: 15
    +7
    Today, to raise the rating, they show how the guarantor transfers the baton of Emperor Alexander to the Hermitage. So they will come to show that the guarantor is personally involved in extinguishing the fire, in saving the drowning man. What you can’t do for the rating is not to really improve the lives of your people.
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 October 2018 17: 10
      +2
      Quote: Wall
      So they will come to show that the guarantor is personally involved in extinguishing the fire, in saving the drowning man.

      Yes, an indication of the course for cranes will not work. If only in martial arts with a great white shark with a knife in his hand comes out.
  43. Altona
    Altona 4 October 2018 09: 32
    +3
    Quote: Wall
    It could not be that until 2014 he managed well, and after - badly. All of his policies from the very beginning of his reign led to what we have today.

    -------------------------
    I'm not saying that he was good or bad. I write that he coped. It is in this system that is built. Now the food supply has decreased, the oligarchs said that "the people are our new oil" and the state's social obligations were denied. By the way, this also suggests that the concentration of capital has reached a maximum.
    1. Стена
      Стена 4 October 2018 09: 43
      +6
      If he brought the situation in the country to such a situation, then he could not cope.
  44. Ryzhik
    Ryzhik 4 October 2018 09: 37
    +12
    Quality trolling.
    Russia is now in confrontation with the United States, but not with Zakulis. These are intra-factional showdowns. After all, the Nord Stream

    If you follow your logic, our grandfathers shed their blood in the "inter-faction struggle". And I thought that they were dying for their homeland, and for me as well. The nuclear shield was forged in vain, working almost for nothing.
    The time has not yet come for the Tsar of the Orthodox, unfortunately

    And finally, about the king. If you have read a lot of prophecies about the Great Orthodox Tsar and yearn for his coming, then why are you modestly silent about the fact that, according to these "prophecies", he will come before anti-Christ times? Hypocrite.
    Putin is a protege of this backstage

    No, Putin’s stavlenik is just a gang of thieves and cunning scum that bred on the corpse of the USSR. And yes, of course, he still works for them.
    1. hrych
      hrych 4 October 2018 10: 20
      -3
      Quote: Ginger
      according to these "prophecies", will he come before the times of antichrist? Hypocrite.

      This antichrist time has long come, and you blow all the bubbles. According to WWII, but unfortunately intra-factional showdowns, read Pike’s letter to Mozzini and it’s all described there. After WWI, the power of the World Government was established, Kaiser Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Chinese Empire of Qing were destroyed. Britain remained, led by Masonic proteges of the rootless Coburg-Windsor, on the basis of which a conspiracy was formed. Soviet Russia also followed the Masonic program, but there was a Stalin phenomenon and Zakulisa had problems, although Stalin challenged her only before her death. After his assassination, the systematic subordination of the USSR to this center began. Supranational bodies such as the UN, UN Peacekeeping Forces, which incidentally fought in the Korean War for your information, against the North Koreans and the Chinese, were created, while the Stalinist USSR remained neutral, only sent Kozhedub and a couple of hundred pilots and military specialists. All these pipelines of the Urengoy-Pamara-Uzhgorod type were already in the interests of the new Order, the Chinese ran headlong into the arms of Lucifer after the death of Mao, although with him the entry of China was already outlined. And then Zakulis destroyed the USSR as unnecessary, although since the death of Stalin, and partly with him, the USSR was part of the New World Order. The USSR was independent from 1945 to 1953 and all began to build a wall, threw the Chinese at the UN troops, but managed to create nuclear parity. Khrushchev immediately sold himself to Zakulis, and the Caribbean crisis also became an intra-factional disassembly. The World Government took Khrushchev and Kennedy by the collar, so as not to disgrace them, they suspended the first one later, also coordinating it, and the latter was simply finished off. At the expense of grandfathers, before Kaiser and the Tsar were just blood relatives and millions fell into their coffins for their quarrels, Zakulis also grew up in WWII, Hitler and the Nazi Party, like the AUCPB, moreover, all were socialists, the USSR taught German tankmen and pilots, sent echelons raw materials even on the day of war. Yes, unfortunately, blood was shed for the intra-factional showdowns of the World Order, but also for the ethnic group, and for the state. Because in these intra-factional squabbles, ethnic groups perish and collapse states.
      1. Ryzhik
        Ryzhik 4 October 2018 10: 46
        +4
        Ek got through you. What is the machine sign rate in the comments today? Do you need new personnel there?
        1. hrych
          hrych 4 October 2018 12: 04
          -2
          If essentially there is nothing to say, then scatter Ryzhik wassat
  45. av58
    av58 4 October 2018 10: 06
    -6
    Nonsense. 1) This "research" was carried out by the liberoid "Levada Center". 2) The people are tired of politics, there are everyday problems. 3) Everything is more or less settled, and people are somehow not very interested in Putin. 4) In such polls, opponents of the authorities are much more active.
    Even if in these conditions Putin scored 58%, then there is no reason for concern.
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  47. Mestny
    Mestny 4 October 2018 10: 08
    -19
    Well, actually the title of the article implies violent dancing in the comments.
    Not let down, fighters for the truth.
    Do not reduce the heat! Help Israel and the USA!
    Only in this way, by joint efforts - they are war and the economy from the outside, and you from the inside, with volumes of the works of Navalny and Grudinin in your hands, with a high-tech cross on the neck - will you finally be able to throw off the hated regime.
    And then the sun of freedom will shine, everyone will get a new oiphon, booze and dope, and you don’t have to go to school.
    After all, every fighter for Truth knows that Putin is bad, and the most important task will get rid of him.
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 4 October 2018 10: 11
      0
      Do not reduce the heat! Help Israel and the USA!
      The main ones are not helping them with preoccupation enough; more help is needed, what would the whole of the Russian Federation express concern?
    2. AUL
      AUL 4 October 2018 11: 25
      +9
      Quote: Mestny
      Do not reduce the heat! Help Israel and the USA!
      Only in this way, by joint efforts - they are war and the economy from the outside, and you from the inside, with volumes of the works of Navalny and Grudinin in your hands, with a high-tech cross on the neck - will you finally be able to throw off the hated regime.

      Seryozha, somehow clumsy you get arrows to translate and change the subject. You need to work on yourself more!
  48. alexsipin
    alexsipin 4 October 2018 10: 23
    -1
    Shame on you to write such a thing about your president. He is your only hope and guarantee against the machinations of the world behind the scenes.
    1. hrych
      hrych 4 October 2018 10: 41
      -1
      And you go about your Not Nyakh or Not that Nyakh write, here we will figure it out ourselves. In Israel, the retirement age is 67 and 62, respectively, so that there is nothing to trump.
      1. alexsipin
        alexsipin 4 October 2018 15: 16
        -2
        And you go about your Not Nyakh or Not that Nyakh write, here we will figure it out ourselves. In Israel, the retirement age is 67 and 62, respectively, so that there is nothing to trump.

        So I'm talking about. You must pray for your president, and you want him.
  49. Yarik
    Yarik 4 October 2018 10: 29
    +9
    Quote: hrych
    it is in the interests of the people, in the interests of future generations

    What kind of people? What generations ???? Cooperative "LAKE"?
  50. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 4 October 2018 10: 36
    +3
    Niponel. Who are these 11% who like the "pension reform"?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 October 2018 11: 03
      +6
      Like who"? Probably: MBD + siloviki + warriors + contingent that is already receiving a pension, that is, all those who have not been affected by this reform. And 11% is still not enough .... there are much more of those (who "like"), how can "give a thousand extra" winked