Expert: F-35 against the “heap of automata”. Not too expensive?

Magazine The National Interest He called the first combat mission of the F-35B fighter in Afghanistan an unreasonable waste of taxpayers' money, a great waste of time and a PR action.

According to the author, the task of the pilot was to strike at the usual cache of militants, which kept a "bunch of AK-47 and RPG."

And the “super-duper-dear” fifth-generation invisible plane worth $ 115 million, having traveled a thousand miles one way, brilliantly coped with the task - dropped the GBU-12 and GBU-32 JDAM bombs to the cache, $ 19 thousand . and $ 22 thousand, respectively.

Not the best use of the latest technology, and not the best example of the use of taxpayers' money, the author stated.

At the same time, he stressed that the Americans in Afghanistan and without the F-35 have enough aviation a technique capable of performing similar tasks.

The publication reminds that on the day of the “costly” strike of the Pentagon’s deputy head Patrick Shanahan called on the leadership of the department “to find ways to save time and money.”

“Sir, I think I found one way,” the expert concludes.

Recall the program F-35 Lightning II is the most expensive in stories weapons production - just spent about half a trillion dollars. The aircraft was developed in 3 versions - for the needs of the Air Force, for the Marine Corps and the Navy (with a short takeoff and vertical landing) and deck for the Navy.

Comments

[Sergey985]

PR campaign. Sales will go uphill!

[AUL]

Yes, not a PR campaign - PR there already rolls over. A check in real combat conditions. Our calibres were also hollowed out according to ISIS, although conventional bombs would be two orders of magnitude cheaper and more efficient.

[NEXUS]

Quote from AUL

A check in real combat conditions.

Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really? And what kind of combat conditions are real, without the opposition of enemy air defense and fighters? Do you want to tell?

[Jolly oldster sailor]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote from AUL

A check in real combat conditions.

Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really? And what kind of combat conditions are real, without the opposition of enemy air defense and fighters? Do you want to tell?

So we also like to call this whole thing real combat conditions, although we also have no opposition from air defense and bearded fighters ... So, remark, justice for ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

So we also like to call this whole thing real combat conditions, although we, too, have no opposition from air defense and bearded fighters ..

In fact, only our helicopter pilots flying at low altitudes have real combat conditions in Syria.

[Shurik70]

Everything that the F-35 can do can make a plane much cheaper.
F-35 is positioned primarily as an invisible aircraft. Consequently, the F-35 check will span over the locators of Russian or Chinese modern air defense.
Just do not dare the NATO. That is, ALL PR for F-35 is meaningless. It’s just an expensive toy, which you can buy and even just keep already bought - it’s expensive and pointless.

[Yarhann]

F35 is a modern IFI using stealth technologies. The main task of the F35 is to replace all bombers and attack aircraft, as well as hawks in service. But the main task of course is striking the surface.
The F35 has a huge range of weapons and it should test all of it in the field - so what difference does it make to a pilot who bombarded bearded men in Afghanistan or targets in Kansas, for the most part our Defense Ministry was guided by this when we sent strategists and YES to Syria using X101 and tp

[AUL]

Quote: NEXUS

Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really?

Do you want to be shoved into full heat right away? They don’t do that! The complexity of the task build up in stages. Our calibers also went on target without counteracting air defense / missile defense, however, it was a test in real combat conditions!

[NEXUS]

Quote from AUL

The complexity of the task build up in stages.

And what was the difficulty of this task? Deliver one expensive vehicle, an expensive bomb, while burning fuel, using the engine's resources and covering a warehouse with Kalash and RPGs worth a couple of thousand dollars? Are you seriously? And these are not piarasts, do you think?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: NEXUS

And what was the difficulty of this task? Deliver one expensive vehicle, an expensive bomb, while burning fuel, using the engine's resources and covering a warehouse with Kalash and RPGs worth a couple of thousand dollars? Are you seriously? And these are not piarasts, do you think?

This is not a PR or task complexity! The pilot was sent

to strike at the usual hiding place of militants, in which "a bunch of AK-47 and RPGs" were stored

those. Destroy what caused the most damage to American troops in all kinds of conflicts!
So it was an archive task! (we’re joking here, but they don’t understand such jokes with weapons )

[Azim77]

Quote from AUL

A check in real combat conditions.

It would be more correct to call it a training exercise - bombing at the Afghanistan training ground. The "conditional enemy" is destroyed.

[Rav Rav]

Caliber is more beautiful!

[Hammerlock]

Caliber is more beautiful!

MORE BEAUTIFUL

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Hammerlock

Caliber is more beautiful!
MORE BEAUTIFUL

Literate, damn it!
Do not argue! BEAUTIFUL - it will be the most !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Do not argue! BEAUTIFUL - it will be the most !!!

You all did not study at school ... More beautiful!

[ANCIENT]

there, except for Israel, everyone else buys it through `` I don't want '', otherwise the Yankees threaten to find oil in these countries, or KGB agents even the Turks, knowing that he does not shine for them, want to buy it, because they will not sell it. This is masochism buy a plane that in a real battle against an equal opponent will live one puff of a cigarette

[Pimply]

Quote: ANCIENT

there, except for Israel, everyone else buys it through `` I don’t want '', otherwise the Yankees threaten to find oil in these countries, or the KGB agents are still the Turks, knowing that it doesn’t shine for them, they want to buy it because they won’t sell it. buy an airplane that, in a real battle against an equal opponent, will live one puff of a cigarette

Yes, that's why the Norwegians have released rave reviews from the test pilot

[GRF]

I’m waiting for the Dushman video with a demonstration of the shooting of the AK-47 from the destroyed stronghold ...

Though they will not believe them ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: GRF

Though they will not believe them ...

The good thing about the cache is that no one knows where it is and whether it exists at all. It’s like the "tunnels" were destroyed last year, they planted a hefty bonba in an unknown direction and then they shouted very loudly about "victory".

[Strashila]

"PR action. Sales will go up sharply!" ... for sure ... Kalashnikovs and RPGs ... super weapons that can only be destroyed with the help of an invisible plane.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Strashila

+4
"PR action. Sales will go uphill!" ... exactly ... Kalashnikovs and RPGs ... A super weapon that can only be destroyed with an invisible plane.

Damn, SUPER !!!

[another RUSICH]

The fabulous price of the aircraft will now constantly include a calculator.
In fact, in my opinion this is stupid.
The plane is made to fight. In principle, he coped with the task. The price of the question is another question. And probably not the military.
When our carcasses flew to bomb the igles with a minimum bomb load, because the main flight weight was fuel, no one had any questions.
Anyway, bombing from the air, in principle, is an expensive pleasure.
So a strange opinion about the high cost

[_Kotegpushisteg_]

but how efficiently the calibers were used Igilovets zahol in the toilet hop caliber! knocked out a toilet roll from his hands the igilovets spat in hearts! in this syria even in the outhouse can’t sit quietly! and went to central Asia to concentrate there near the borders of Kyrgyzstan

[Vadim851]

Tests of the aircraft in any but in a combat environment, testing refueling in the air. Su-57 for this purpose were recently in Syria.
In general, the UAV could cope with this task as well, which is most often used. There will be special attention to the F-35B, it seems that there are jambs, because one fell recently.

[ANCIENT]

they needed not just one, but a hundred of them to be sent to Afghanistan, otherwise the old people complain that a single target is hard to hit

[mamont5]

Apparently, this aircraft is not capable of more? And then, take him out against a worthy opponent, and they can shoot down ...

[Romanenko]

Controversial criticism, the aircraft should be tested in various conditions of its use and in this scenario the cost of it and ammunition is not so important. Also, it does not play a special role how much the hit target cost.
Criticism of a probable adversary (although why a probable one?) Should be objective and restrained.
Stop pouting and practicing cap-breaking.
If it is necessary to test the capabilities and improve the weapons and control systems, the Su-57 will be driven out into the field to fire the X-35 at matchboxes.

[rocket757]

CRITICS ???
Schaub you understand in sausage scraps ???
And it flies! We will see!

[Reserve buildbat]

Right! We had to bomb the school or hospital. Mosque, at worst.

But in general - just working out the combat use of a new toy.

[Alexez]

Soon, the films will probably be shot about how: overcoming the dense atmosphere and counteracting Dushman air defense, literally at the last second, the F35 pilot destroyed the secret warehouse of the chemical-bacteriological nuclear arsenal of terrorists ready to arrange an enchanting armageddress for the whole world.

[keeper03]

Such an operation would be able to crank an ordinary maize, throwing a couple of bags of grenades! He is just able to do this task!

[rotmistr60]

PR action

And no more. Air defense does not threaten, doubts about "invisibility" will not follow, in a word it is a walk, but expensive.

[gla172]

.... they are those who do not know how to fight in conscience and honor .....

February 13. ...... fascist gangs of a frenzied US-British military carried out a brutal air raid on the peaceful city of Dresden ......
....... Several thousand bombers for many hours bombed a city in which there was not a single military unit and not a single German soldier. Dresden was wiped off the face of the earth. In conflagrations and under bombs, up to 400 thousand civilians were killed - mainly women, children, the elderly (all men were at the front). A monstrous crime was committed, which had no analogues in world history. The special cynicism of the Anglo-American sadist killers, the notorious “allies”, who by all means seized their “piece of Europe”, consisted in a consistent avoidance of hostilities against regular German units and in the destruction of civilians. The Soviet Army fought face to face with a terrible enemy armed to the teeth, chest to chest, eyes to eyes, army to army, front to front ...
Instead of effectively helping and destroying Germany’s military power, “Allied” jackals looted in the rear, exterminating infants and women, destroying priceless cultural monuments (later they removed almost everything left from Germany, and no one dares to make claims to them so far). The massive sadistic action to destroy hundreds of thousands and millions of innocent peaceful people was the eve of the unprecedented atrocities of the United States and England in Hiroshima,
Nagasaki, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq. And everywhere there is one handwriting - animal war against an unarmed population.
Hundreds of thousands of multi-ton bombs dropped on peaceful Dresden, if they had been used against warring German units on the Eastern Front, could have saved the lives of millions of Soviet soldiers and millions of people in Eastern Europe. But the fascist Anglo-American bandits pursued their goals, spreading total terror in Germany, Europe and the world. All their subsequent actions differ in outright terrorism: from atomic bombings of peaceful cities of Japan, napalm burning of thousands of Vietnamese villages to bombing by radioactive shells of Serbia and destruction by artillery, rockets and aircraft of the peaceful city of Fallujah ........

[Avior]

In short write, hard to read.
It was precisely in Dresden that the railway junction was bombed first of all, the center of the city was hooked;
25 thousand people died, the Germans counted twice.
about hundreds of thousands are the composers of the very allies.
during the first German attack on Stalingrad, more of our civilians died, but for some reason everyone is silent about this

[dauria]

Dresden was wiped off the face of the earth. In the conflagrations and under bombs, up to 400 thousand civilians died - mainly women, children, the elderly (all men were at the front

Do not bend. There is no civilian population. There is infrastructure, rear, country. And to destroy it is one of the important tasks. They helped our people at least like that - and thanks for that. And that their soldiers are cherished behind the backs of others - so why blame them for this? And isn’t nuclear weapons stockpiled mostly for megacities?

[aszzz888]

the pilot’s task was to strike at the usual hiding place of the militants, which contained “a bunch of AK-47 and RPGs”.

... for that they are Pinocchio - rich and wooden ... but in the log, as you know, there are no brains ...

[Jerk]

Forgot to calculate the flying time of this pepelats And in Afghanistan, use it, so God forbid not to get on the radar, or out on the sight of Sushka
And so - yes, the weapon is technologically advanced enough to use it to squeeze poppy fields from one village in favor of another controlled one.
In short, an ordinary American chainsaw. IMHO, they are there on corruption overtaking Ukraine for a long time in percentage terms, in absolute terms - the whole world jumped

[Zaurbek]

This is absolutely normal .... the first combat mission of VTOL aircraft with refueling, with bombing.

[Larum]

Once The National Interest Pushkova so called, then envies. And the plane. And other people's money.
But in fact - so everyone needs to train. one flight - about 5-10 thousand bucks. And bombs of 500 rubles do not exist.
So what?

[Krasnodar]

One hour of F-16 flight - 30-45 thousand bucks. For the Israeli Air Force.

Quote: Larum

Once The National Interest Pushkova so called, then envies. And the plane. And other people's money.
But in fact - so everyone needs to train. one flight - about 5-10 thousand bucks. And bombs of 500 rubles do not exist.
So what?

[Elephant]

And I do not see anything wrong with the flight of the F-35. Planes should fly, and not stand on the ground and thereby save taxpayers' money. Moreover, the states have more money like dirt! And pilots also need flight training, even if it will be such training flights ...

[voyaka uh]

This is a military training operation.
Both in range and accuracy. Bombing from internal compartments.
Master the technique more efficiently in combat conditions. Like the Russians in Syria.

[Vard]

It seems to me that there is a real need to deliver the S-300 to the Taliban ... But what? We have some kind of relationship with this movement ... we can say we are cooperating ...

[Alexey RA]

Regarding the budget savings of the US Air Force - this is the cost of one hour of combat flight in Afghanistan for various types of UAVs, planes and helicopters:

[Avior]

the usual check is not at the training ground, but in an unfamiliar area, after a long transition, which is also important

[Sands Careers General]

Hammer in nails with a microscope. Use the "super duper jet" against the poor barmaley. Cowboys))

[voyaka uh]

A Tu-22 against ISIS in Syria? Or gauges from the Caspian Sea? Not the same? Running weapons ...

[Sands Careers General]

Absolutely not the same.

[Pimply]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Absolutely not the same.

Certainly not "the same". Indeed, in one case, damned Americans, and in the other, our valiant. ;)

[fa2998]

Quote: rotmistr60

PR action

And no more. Air defense does not threaten, doubts about "invisibility" will not follow, in a word it is a walk, but expensive.

And when we drove Su 57 to Syria, they talked seriously, they were running around in a combat operation (naturally, without air defense and ISIS fighters). And there is nothing to count other people's money, they have a lot, they will print it. Let's count ours. The program PAK FA, SU 57 was spent, etc. 7-10 billion bucks. So far, 10 aircraft have been made. Calculate the cost of one. Even if 100 serial ones make it insanely expensive.

[uav80]

The economy must be economical ...

[Disorder]

Are training flights at the training ground free?