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Expert: F-35 against the “heap of automata”. Not too expensive?

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Journal The National Interest He called the first combat mission of the F-35B fighter in Afghanistan an unreasonable waste of taxpayers' money, a great waste of time and a PR action.




According to the author, the task of the pilot was to strike at the usual cache of militants, which kept a "bunch of AK-47 and RPG."

And the “super-duper-dear” fifth-generation invisible plane worth $ 115 million, having traveled a thousand miles one way, brilliantly coped with the task - dropped the GBU-12 and GBU-32 JDAM bombs to the cache, $ 19 thousand . and $ 22 thousand, respectively.

Not the best use of the latest technology, and not the best example of the use of taxpayers' money, the author stated.

At the same time, he stressed that the Americans in Afghanistan and without the F-35 have enough aviation a technique capable of performing similar tasks.

The publication reminds that on the day of the “costly” strike of the Pentagon’s deputy head Patrick Shanahan called on the leadership of the department “to find ways to save time and money.”

“Sir, I think I found one way,” the expert concludes.

Recall the program F-35 Lightning II is the most expensive in stories weapons production - just spent about half a trillion dollars. The aircraft was developed in 3 versions - for the needs of the Air Force, for the Marine Corps and the Navy (with a short takeoff and vertical landing) and deck for the Navy.
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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 3 October 2018 08: 24
    +1
    PR campaign. Sales will go uphill!
    1. AUL
      AUL 3 October 2018 08: 31
      +20
      Yes, not a PR campaign - PR there already rolls over. A check in real combat conditions. Our calibres were also hollowed out according to ISIS, although conventional bombs would be two orders of magnitude cheaper and more efficient.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 October 2018 08: 38
        +13
        Quote: AUL
        A check in real combat conditions.

        Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really? And what kind of combat conditions are real, without the opposition of enemy air defense and fighters? Do you want to tell?
        1. Jolly oldster sailor
          Jolly oldster sailor 3 October 2018 08: 47
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: AUL
          A check in real combat conditions.

          Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really? And what kind of combat conditions are real, without the opposition of enemy air defense and fighters? Do you want to tell?

          So we also like to call this whole thing real combat conditions, although we also have no opposition from air defense and bearded fighters ... So, remark, justice for ... repeat
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 October 2018 08: 51
            +11
            Quote: Jolly oldster sailor
            So we also like to call this whole thing real combat conditions, although we, too, have no opposition from air defense and bearded fighters ..

            In fact, only our helicopter pilots flying at low altitudes have real combat conditions in Syria.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 3 October 2018 23: 00
              +1
              Everything that the F-35 can do can make a plane much cheaper.
              F-35 is positioned primarily as an invisible aircraft. Consequently, the F-35 check will span over the locators of Russian or Chinese modern air defense.
              Just do not dare the NATO. That is, ALL PR for F-35 is meaningless. It’s just an expensive toy, which you can buy and even just keep already bought - it’s expensive and pointless.
              1. Yarhann
                Yarhann 4 October 2018 22: 09
                0
                F35 is a modern IFI using stealth technologies. The main task of the F35 is to replace all bombers and attack aircraft, as well as hawks in service. But the main task of course is striking the surface.
                The F35 has a huge range of weapons and it should test all of it in the field - so what difference does it make to a pilot who bombarded bearded men in Afghanistan or targets in Kansas, for the most part our Defense Ministry was guided by this when we sent strategists and YES to Syria using X101 and tp
        2. AUL
          AUL 3 October 2018 08: 48
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Do you call this "real-world combat"? Really?

          Do you want to be shoved into full heat right away? They don’t do that! The complexity of the task build up in stages. Our calibers also went on target without counteracting air defense / missile defense, however, it was a test in real combat conditions!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 3 October 2018 08: 53
            +4
            Quote: AUL
            The complexity of the task build up in stages.

            And what was the difficulty of this task? Deliver one expensive vehicle, an expensive bomb, while burning fuel, using the engine's resources and covering a warehouse with Kalash and RPGs worth a couple of thousand dollars? Are you seriously? And these are not piarasts, do you think?
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 3 October 2018 20: 28
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              And what was the difficulty of this task? Deliver one expensive vehicle, an expensive bomb, while burning fuel, using the engine's resources and covering a warehouse with Kalash and RPGs worth a couple of thousand dollars? Are you seriously? And these are not piarasts, do you think?

              This is not a PR or task complexity! The pilot was sent
              to strike at the usual hiding place of militants, in which "a bunch of AK-47 and RPGs" were stored

              those. Destroy what caused the most damage to American troops in all kinds of conflicts!
              So it was an archive task! (we’re joking here, but they don’t understand such jokes with weapons wink )
      2. Azim77
        Azim77 3 October 2018 09: 12
        +6
        Quote: AUL
        A check in real combat conditions.

        It would be more correct to call it a training exercise - bombing at the Afghanistan training ground. The "conditional enemy" is destroyed.
      3. Rav Rav
        Rav Rav 3 October 2018 09: 41
        +1
        Caliber is more beautiful!
        1. Hammerlock
          Hammerlock 3 October 2018 12: 53
          +2
          Caliber is more beautiful!

          MORE BEAUTIFUL
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 3 October 2018 13: 47
            +6
            Quote: Hammerlock
            Caliber is more beautiful!
            MORE BEAUTIFUL
            Literate, damn it! lol
            Do not argue! BEAUTIFUL - it will be the most !!! laughing
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 3 October 2018 18: 20
              +2
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Do not argue! BEAUTIFUL - it will be the most !!!

              You all did not study at school ... wassat More beautiful! fellow
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 3 October 2018 08: 33
      +5
      there, except for Israel, everyone else buys it through `` I don't want '', otherwise the Yankees threaten to find oil in these countries, or KGB agents wassat even the Turks, knowing that he does not shine for them, want to buy it, because they will not sell it. This is masochism fool buy a plane that in a real battle against an equal opponent will live one puff of a cigarette fool
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 October 2018 12: 02
        0
        Quote: ANCIENT
        there, except for Israel, everyone else buys it through `` I don’t want '', otherwise the Yankees threaten to find oil in these countries, or the KGB agents are still the Turks, knowing that it doesn’t shine for them, they want to buy it because they won’t sell it. buy an airplane that, in a real battle against an equal opponent, will live one puff of a cigarette

        Yes, that's why the Norwegians have released rave reviews from the test pilot
    3. GRF
      GRF 3 October 2018 08: 34
      +3
      I’m waiting for the Dushman video with a demonstration of the shooting of the AK-47 from the destroyed stronghold ...

      Though they will not believe them ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 3 October 2018 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: GRF
        Though they will not believe them ...

        The good thing about the cache is that no one knows where it is and whether it exists at all. It’s like the "tunnels" were destroyed last year, they planted a hefty bonba in an unknown direction and then they shouted very loudly about "victory".
    4. Strashila
      Strashila 3 October 2018 10: 29
      +5
      "PR action. Sales will go up sharply!" ... for sure ... Kalashnikovs and RPGs ... super weapons that can only be destroyed with the help of an invisible plane.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 October 2018 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: Strashila
        +4
        "PR action. Sales will go uphill!" ... exactly ... Kalashnikovs and RPGs ... A super weapon that can only be destroyed with an invisible plane.

        Damn, SUPER !!! laughing good
  2. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH 3 October 2018 08: 27
    +7
    The fabulous price of the aircraft will now constantly include a calculator.
    In fact, in my opinion this is stupid.
    The plane is made to fight. In principle, he coped with the task. The price of the question is another question. And probably not the military.
    When our carcasses flew to bomb the igles with a minimum bomb load, because the main flight weight was fuel, no one had any questions.
    Anyway, bombing from the air, in principle, is an expensive pleasure.
    So a strange opinion about the high cost
  3. _Kotegpushisteg_
    _Kotegpushisteg_ 3 October 2018 08: 27
    -13
    but how efficiently the calibers were used laughing Igilovets zahol in the toilet hop caliber! knocked out a toilet roll from his hands soldier the igilovets spat in hearts! in this syria even in the outhouse can’t sit quietly! and went to central Asia to concentrate there near the borders of Kyrgyzstan
  4. Vadim851
    Vadim851 3 October 2018 08: 28
    +7
    Tests of the aircraft in any but in a combat environment, testing refueling in the air. Su-57 for this purpose were recently in Syria.
    In general, the UAV could cope with this task as well, which is most often used. There will be special attention to the F-35B, it seems that there are jambs, because one fell recently.
  5. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 3 October 2018 08: 29
    +1
    they needed not just one, but a hundred of them to be sent to Afghanistan, otherwise the old people complain wassat that a single target is hard to hit lol
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 3 October 2018 08: 31
    0
    Apparently, this aircraft is not capable of more? And then, take him out against a worthy opponent, and they can shoot down ...
  7. Romanenko
    Romanenko 3 October 2018 08: 33
    +2
    Controversial criticism, the aircraft should be tested in various conditions of its use and in this scenario the cost of it and ammunition is not so important. Also, it does not play a special role how much the hit target cost.
    Criticism of a probable adversary (although why a probable one?) Should be objective and restrained.
    Stop pouting and practicing cap-breaking.
    If it is necessary to test the capabilities and improve the weapons and control systems, the Su-57 will be driven out into the field to fire the X-35 at matchboxes.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 3 October 2018 08: 35
    -1
    CRITICS ???
    Schaub you understand in sausage scraps ???
    And it flies! We will see!
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 October 2018 08: 37
    +1
    Right! We had to bomb the school or hospital. Mosque, at worst. laughing

    But in general - just working out the combat use of a new toy.
  10. Alexez
    Alexez 3 October 2018 08: 37
    +4
    Soon, the films will probably be shot about how: overcoming the dense atmosphere and counteracting Dushman air defense, literally at the last second, the F35 pilot destroyed the secret warehouse of the chemical-bacteriological nuclear arsenal of terrorists ready to arrange an enchanting armageddress for the whole world.
  11. keeper03
    keeper03 3 October 2018 08: 42
    +3
    Such an operation would be able to crank an ordinary maize, throwing a couple of bags of grenades! wassat laughing good He is just able to do this task! yes soldier
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 October 2018 08: 45
    +1
    PR action
    And no more. Air defense does not threaten, doubts about "invisibility" will not follow, in a word it is a walk, but expensive.
  13. gla172
    gla172 3 October 2018 09: 15
    0
    .... they are those who do not know how to fight in conscience and honor .....

    February 13. ...... fascist gangs of a frenzied US-British military carried out a brutal air raid on the peaceful city of Dresden ......
    ....... Several thousand bombers for many hours bombed a city in which there was not a single military unit and not a single German soldier. Dresden was wiped off the face of the earth. In conflagrations and under bombs, up to 400 thousand civilians were killed - mainly women, children, the elderly (all men were at the front). A monstrous crime was committed, which had no analogues in world history. The special cynicism of the Anglo-American sadist killers, the notorious “allies”, who by all means seized their “piece of Europe”, consisted in a consistent avoidance of hostilities against regular German units and in the destruction of civilians. The Soviet Army fought face to face with a terrible enemy armed to the teeth, chest to chest, eyes to eyes, army to army, front to front ...
    Instead of effectively helping and destroying Germany’s military power, “Allied” jackals looted in the rear, exterminating infants and women, destroying priceless cultural monuments (later they removed almost everything left from Germany, and no one dares to make claims to them so far). The massive sadistic action to destroy hundreds of thousands and millions of innocent peaceful people was the eve of the unprecedented atrocities of the United States and England in Hiroshima,
    Nagasaki, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq. And everywhere there is one handwriting - animal war against an unarmed population.
    Hundreds of thousands of multi-ton bombs dropped on peaceful Dresden, if they had been used against warring German units on the Eastern Front, could have saved the lives of millions of Soviet soldiers and millions of people in Eastern Europe. But the fascist Anglo-American bandits pursued their goals, spreading total terror in Germany, Europe and the world. All their subsequent actions differ in outright terrorism: from atomic bombings of peaceful cities of Japan, napalm burning of thousands of Vietnamese villages to bombing by radioactive shells of Serbia and destruction by artillery, rockets and aircraft of the peaceful city of Fallujah ........
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 October 2018 10: 27
      +2
      In short write, hard to read.
      It was precisely in Dresden that the railway junction was bombed first of all, the center of the city was hooked;
      25 thousand people died, the Germans counted twice.
      about hundreds of thousands are the composers of the very allies.
      during the first German attack on Stalingrad, more of our civilians died, but for some reason everyone is silent about this negative
    2. dauria
      dauria 3 October 2018 10: 32
      +2
      Dresden was wiped off the face of the earth. In the conflagrations and under bombs, up to 400 thousand civilians died - mainly women, children, the elderly (all men were at the front


      Do not bend. There is no civilian population. There is infrastructure, rear, country. And to destroy it is one of the important tasks. They helped our people at least like that - and thanks for that. And that their soldiers are cherished behind the backs of others - so why blame them for this? And isn’t nuclear weapons stockpiled mostly for megacities?
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 October 2018 09: 16
    0
    the pilot’s task was to strike at the usual hiding place of the militants, which contained “a bunch of AK-47 and RPGs”.

    ... for that they are Pinocchio - rich and wooden ... but in the log, as you know, there are no brains ... laughing
  15. Jerk
    Jerk 3 October 2018 09: 27
    +1
    Forgot to calculate the flying time of this pepelats wink And in Afghanistan, use it, so God forbid not to get on the radar, or out on the sight of Sushka laughing
    And so - yes, the weapon is technologically advanced enough to use it to squeeze poppy fields from one village in favor of another controlled one.
    In short, an ordinary American chainsaw. IMHO, they are there on corruption overtaking Ukraine for a long time in percentage terms, in absolute terms - the whole world jumped
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 October 2018 09: 39
    +3
    This is absolutely normal .... the first combat mission of VTOL aircraft with refueling, with bombing.
  17. Larum
    Larum 3 October 2018 09: 42
    +1
    Once The National Interest Pushkova so called, then envies. And the plane. And other people's money.
    But in fact - so everyone needs to train. one flight - about 5-10 thousand bucks. And bombs of 500 rubles do not exist.
    So what?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 October 2018 17: 43
      0
      One hour of F-16 flight - 30-45 thousand bucks. For the Israeli Air Force.
      Quote: Larum
      Once The National Interest Pushkova so called, then envies. And the plane. And other people's money.
      But in fact - so everyone needs to train. one flight - about 5-10 thousand bucks. And bombs of 500 rubles do not exist.
      So what?
  18. Elephant
    Elephant 3 October 2018 10: 07
    +3
    And I do not see anything wrong with the flight of the F-35. Planes should fly, and not stand on the ground and thereby save taxpayers' money. Moreover, the states have more money like dirt! And pilots also need flight training, even if it will be such training flights ...
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 October 2018 10: 07
    +1
    This is a military training operation.
    Both in range and accuracy. Bombing from internal compartments.
    Master the technique more efficiently in combat conditions. Like the Russians in Syria.
  20. Vard
    Vard 3 October 2018 10: 18
    +2
    It seems to me that there is a real need to deliver the S-300 to the Taliban ... But what? We have some kind of relationship with this movement ... we can say we are cooperating ...
  21. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 3 October 2018 10: 20
    +2
    Regarding the budget savings of the US Air Force - this is the cost of one hour of combat flight in Afghanistan for various types of UAVs, planes and helicopters:
  22. Avior
    Avior 3 October 2018 10: 28
    +2
    the usual check is not at the training ground, but in an unfamiliar area, after a long transition, which is also important
  23. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 3 October 2018 12: 00
    +1
    Hammer in nails with a microscope. Use the "super duper jet" against the poor barmaley. Cowboys))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 October 2018 12: 16
      0
      A Tu-22 against ISIS in Syria? smile Or gauges from the Caspian Sea? Not the same? Running weapons ...
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 3 October 2018 13: 23
        -1
        Absolutely not the same.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 October 2018 12: 04
          0
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          Absolutely not the same.


          Certainly not "the same". Indeed, in one case, damned Americans, and in the other, our valiant. ;)
  24. fa2998
    fa2998 3 October 2018 12: 21
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    PR action
    And no more. Air defense does not threaten, doubts about "invisibility" will not follow, in a word it is a walk, but expensive.

    And when we drove Su 57 to Syria, they talked seriously, they were running around in a combat operation (naturally, without air defense and ISIS fighters). And there is nothing to count other people's money, they have a lot, they will print it. Let's count ours. The program PAK FA, SU 57 was spent, etc. 7-10 billion bucks. So far, 10 aircraft have been made. Calculate the cost of one. Even if 100 serial ones make it insanely expensive. hi
  25. uav80
    uav80 3 October 2018 12: 25
    +3
    The economy must be economical ... wink

  26. Disorder
    Disorder 3 October 2018 13: 13
    +2
    laughing Are training flights at the training ground free?