"Great Purge": the fight against banditry

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While the Civil War and the White movement in Russia are fairly well covered, little is known about the peasant war that began in 1917. In fact, until 1920, it was a hidden part of the general Civil War, when the most visible forces were red, white, and green.

But the peasant war began under the authority of the Provisional Government - when the peasants refused to obey the authorities and hundreds burned down landowners' estates, they divided the land. The war continued after the remnants of the White Army were evacuated from the Crimea. Thus, the suppression of insurrection and rebellion in 1921 - 1922. the best forces of the Red Army and the troops of the Cheka-OGPU were sent. Their total number only in the Tambov province reached 120 thousand people, in Ukraine - more than 56 thousand people, in Karelia - 12 thousand people. According to the Statistics Department of the Red Army, the fighting losses of the Red Army in 1921 a year exceeded 17 thousand people, and in 1922 of a city 21 thousand people. Here you should also add the loss of internal troops, deserts, as well as those people who died at the hands of the rebels.



Thus, officially, the Civil War ended in 1920 and peaceful socialist construction began, and the war, in fact, still continued. Until the end of 1922, martial law was maintained in 39 provinces, regions and autonomous republics of Soviet Russia. The main arena of military clashes of government forces and rebels were the territories of central Russia, the North Caucasus, Siberia, Ukraine, Belarus and the Far East. Thus, in the Volga region in 1918 - 1922. 34 peasant uprisings, in the Urals - 16, Central Black Earth - 56, Central Industrial - 42, etc.

Most people perceive such well-known episodes of the peasant war as the Antonov rebellion in Tambov region, the bloody riots in Siberia, the activities of the insurgent army of Nestor Makhno in Ukraine, etc., as scattered phenomena. However, in terms of the scale and threat to the security of the state, they can be compared with the peasant war of Emelyan Pugachev in the 18th century At the same time, the Pugachev uprising shocked Petersburg, but it didn’t matter much like the peasant war of 1917 - 1922. At this time, the peasant war created a real threat to the state. Russia was on the verge of a complete collapse and collapse of the civilization project. Peasants with their project of people's liberty could really take power into their own hands and change the course stories Russia.

The problem was that the Russian civilization and the Russian people in this case lost and disappeared from the historical arena. Russia ceased to exist as a single state, disintegrated into separate autonomous regions, not connected by a common power, strong armed forces and economy. In this case, inevitably, Western and Eastern invaders took the upper hand — the United States, Britain, France, Italy, Japan, etc. Even the Finns were able to create “Great Finland” at the expense of the Russian fragments. And such plans were - Finnish radicals dreamed of a state right up to the Northern Urals and even more. Even with the preservation of the core of historical Russia - without the Baltic states, Finland, Transcaucasia, parts of Siberia and the Far East, in central Russia, then sovereignty could not be maintained.

A community of free bread-growers, an agrarian territory, without powerful armed forces and developed industry, including the military-industrial complex, without a developed education and science, simply could not survive in an aggressive Europe of the 1920-1930 model. At that time authoritarian, Nazi and fascist regimes were in power in Europe, which were distinguished by their aggressiveness and the desire to expand and expand their “living space” at the expense of others. And the peasant, agrarian Russia (with the power of the peasant Soviets), with the "army" consisting of carts and men with rifles, would not have survived even under the blows of the pan-Polish Poland, dreaming of reviving the state from the Black to the Baltic Sea at Russian expense or Nazi Finland. Not to mention the war with the western Entente (USA, Britain and France), militaristic Japan or the Third Reich. The collapse would have been very fast and crushing, accompanied by a new civil war, a surge of separatism and led to the complete solution of the “Russian question”, that is, the death of Russian civilization and the people. The remnants of rapidly growing Russian and other indigenous peoples of Russia would become slaves of the great powers of the West and the East, and then assimilated. The fate of the great Indian tribes and civilizations of America was waiting for the Russians - alcohol and tobacco genocide, economic genocide, the role of servants and indigenous exotics, apathy and decomposition, rapid extinction, death of the language, culture, up to complete loss of self-consciousness.

Thus, the peasants, after the collapse of the project of Russia of the Romanovs - “old Russia”, challenged the authorities and the state in general, and not just the Bolsheviks. They were against the Provisional Government, against the Soviet government and a number of different white governments of Russia. They did not want to follow the instructions of the authorities, serve in the army and give bread (feed the city). The peasants have put forward their utopian project of the future of Russia - the union of free farmers. As a result, the main cause of the conflict between the Soviet authorities and the peasants was the desire of the peasantry to live freely and engage in small private businesses. To grow a crop, or livestock - took it to the market and sold it at the maximum price, while not paying taxes to the state and not taking into account national and national interests. And because of the war and destruction, the city could offer nothing to the village. Therefore, the peasants began to store bread until better times (this process began under the tsarist government). The reaction of the authorities was obvious - to withdraw the bread. So there were prodotryad who were engaged in the seizure of surplus food. People were different, there were various bad excesses. Peasants resisted. And in the conditions of revolution, turmoil and complete collapse of the “old Russia”, peasant rebels could take power into their own hands and change the course of the history of Russia and humanity.

"Great Purge": the fight against banditry

Death to the bandits! Oh, you bastards, we are building a farm, and you interfere

The fight against banditry

In early February, 1921, the high command reported to the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic on the state of the fight against banditry. Among the especially dangerous rebel groups operating in the country were listed: Antonov's gang in the Tambov province; gang of Makhno; gangs in Right Bank Ukraine; uprisings in Siberia; Basmachist and uprisings in Turkestan (not only the Basmachi, but also the remnants of the White Guards and detachments of local peasants acted in the territory of Turkestan).

The main threat was the rebel peasants of the Tambov province and Siberia, as well as the Basmachis from Central Asia. Basmachi is, in fact, banditry concealed by ideology, jihadist bandits. The ideological basis of Basmachism was pan-Islamism. The goal of the movement was to separate Turkestan from Soviet Russia. During World War I, the Ottoman Empire exerted support for the Basmachi, who hoped to include Turkestan in its sphere of influence. Then the Basmacians were helped by Britain, which sought to tear Central Asia away from Russia.

The uprising of Antonov in the Tambov region, according to the command, "took on dimensions that threaten the vital interests of the republic." It was attended by 15 thousand people. The government had to attract large forces to suppress the uprising: more than 65 thousand infantry and cavalry, reinforced by armored trains, armored detachments and aviation. It is clear that with such a numerical and technical superiority, the rebels were doomed. Plus, the rich experience of the Soviet armed forces in the anti-partisan struggle gained during the Civil War.

Only by the summer of 1922, the situation in the country stabilized. So, according to the calculations of the Chekists, they fought against the Soviet authorities: in Ukraine, 70 gangs with a total of 1500; in the South-East of Russia and Transcaucasia - 1300 people; Only in Central Asia, the Soviet authorities were opposed by significant forces - 45 thousand people.

The leaders of the state security assessed the situation in the center of the country: “The gangster movement now observed on the territory of the RSFSR represents only a pitiful echo of that powerful and formidable stream that last spring seemed to threaten to flood the entire Republic ... peasant gangsterism not only numerically decreased , but also qualitatively degenerated ... Banditry lost leaders. Large people associated with political parties (like, for example, Antonov), and sometimes even with the present government (Makhno), were either killed or left the gangster movement, and at the head of it were, on the one hand, a purely criminal element, on the other - gangsters with professional long-term practice, which now, of course, cannot be attached to any other business. The composition of ordinary gangster cells also changed radically: due to the cancellation of the allocation (due to the transition from war communism to the NEP 21 in March 1921, the additional development was replaced by a tax in exchange - Author.) The insurrection completely died out; in connection with the end of the war and with the demobilization, the "green" army also dispersed. With the change in the social composition of the gangster detachments, of course, their political aspirations also changed and, most importantly, their relationship with the peasantry changed completely. Banditry, which had been a form of the peasant insurgency for many years, has now become anti-peasant in most areas, evoking a sense of acute hostility among the peasantry and often forcing the peasants to actively take on organizing self-defense.

Thus, the scale of banditry was constantly decreasing - the authorities and state security organs actively destroyed gangs, normal life was improving in the country and banditry ceased to be a form of a peasant movement.

One of the most dangerous uprisings in 1923 - 1924's. became white insurgents on the Amur. The White Guards who fled to China after the end of the Civil War took an active part in the preparation of the peasant uprising. They led the uprising and tried to turn the unorganized peasant groups into a kind of army units. Preparations for the uprising in the Zazey district of the Amur province began in the autumn of 1923. Whites spent exploring, saving up weapon and products. In each village, an underground organization of 4 numbers was created - 10 people. In December, the first gangs appeared in the Blagoveshchensk district of 1923. The uprising itself began on January 10, 1924, in the parish of Gilshin. The rebels destroyed the line of communication. Simultaneously, a Cossack detachment from 200 fighters arrived from abroad. He was to form the "Amur Army". In a short time, the number of rebels rose to 2 thousand people.

Soon the uprising covered 20 villages of the Blagoveshchensk region. The number of rebels rose to 7 thousand people, while sympathizing with the rebels up to 70 thousand people (a third of the district's population). The riot spread rapidly. The village of Tambovka became the center of the rebellion, there was a permanent garrison in 600 people, armed with rifles and machine guns. The province was divided into districts. Each consisted of several parishes and counties with its headquarters. It had a special military department, which was responsible for mobilizing and maintaining discipline in the Amur Army.

By 24 January 1924, a rebellion swept the 24 volost of the Amur province, it was the maximum success of the rebels. Then the uprising began to fade: Red Army units and OGPU troops began to operate in the region. By early February 1924, the insurgency rebellion suppressed. According to official figures, during the operation to suppress the rebellion, the rebels lost their dead and executed - 300 people taken prisoner - to 1200. The loss of the Red Army - more than 100 people killed, wounded, frostbitten and missing. The amount of damage to the economy of Blagoveshchensk district - 2 million rubles in gold.

True, the rebellion did not end there. Part of the rebels managed to escape to China, where a squad of 500 sabers was formed. On the night of 9 on 10 in March 1924, the gangsters captured the village of Volkovsky, killed two people, took away all the good and horses. After that, the KGB prevented another uprising - 19 rebel cells were identified and eliminated, 200 active participants in the conspiracy were arrested with the aim of overthrowing Soviet power.

Thus, many of the “innocent victims” of the Stalinist regime were in fact gangsters, murderers, robbers, or political gangsters, that is, criminals who covered their dirty deeds with “politics”, “high ideas”. Like the Petliurists in Ukraine or the White Guards who make raids into Russia from the territory of China.


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  1. +15
    2 October 2018 05: 56
    Thus, many of the "innocent victims" of the Stalinist regime were in fact bandits, murderers, robbers, or political bandits

    I don’t understand anything .. Each article of Samsonov will now end like this ?!
    Congratulations, your Mark Portius Cato Sr. appeared on VO. The man is passionate, but a little crazy.
    1. +17
      2 October 2018 07: 23
      A reminder of what was in reality has done no harm to anyone except outright nonsense.
      The author did not mention how * temporary * released all criminals from prisons and penal servitude, which they later nicknamed * Kerensky chicks * and there were many of them. Also, the monks and nuns who were rejected from the state feeder are not mentioned, and they are used to eating hearty and live freely. In the twenties in RUSSIA all these * former * merged in an ecstasy of hatred and together with criminals and allowed themselves any vileness.
      Fashion for * nationality * inspired criminals and those who directed them to come up with an ideology for themselves and it was invented and intensively introduced for different segments of the population, especially since there were many who knew nothing but to talk. Until today, only the criminal code of the prisoners in the form of - * thief in law * has survived.
      1. -20
        2 October 2018 08: 14
        The result of the war of the Western project-Bolshevism against Russia was the defeat of millennial Russia in just 70 years and the rejection of the "Russian super-ethnos" into the borders of the 16th century. But the main milestones of the war between the Bolsheviks and the peasantry are not the rout and execution of the active rebels and the expulsion of the most hardworking peasants to regions of little use for agriculture and survival. In both cases, we are talking about millions. We will count the organization of hunger in the Volga region and other regions separately. They achieved the most significant result in the destruction of Russia by others. This has already affected tens of millions. Peasants in Russia have traditionally settled in large villages, stanitsa (community). There were few farmsteads, at least in terms of the number of people in them. The Bolsheviks destroyed the traditional way of life, first of all, by settling villages in settlements (rather, settlements). They accused people of kulaks, took away everything, the main thing - the house, and go settle in a bare field. They settled villages of families of twenty and united them into a weak collective farm. Then, during the war, many (I think - most) peasants once again lost their homes. With such hardships, many lost their children to hunger and disease. And they got a notch that the Bolsheviks will not give ten children to feed. Under Khrushchev, the communists declared these villages to be hopeless. The peasants were forced to go to the city - to hostels, communal apartments, small families and khrushchevs. Where, according to the conditions, it was not before the birth of children. As a result, there was no one to defend Bolshevik Russia - the USSR. After that, the communist elite surrendered the country to the West on the terms of a shameful surrender. Ordinary communists, the overwhelming majority of the 18-million-strong party, even those who took the oath, did not go to defend their socialist homeland from their criminal leadership. Not to war, the communists did not go to civil protests. They were shaking for their pitiful privileges and for their status, obtained not for everyone in an acceptable way.
        1. +18
          2 October 2018 09: 42
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          And they got the notch that the Bolsheviks would not let ten children feed.

          Before the revolution, in the family of my great-grandfather, 7 children were born, 4 survived, the rest died in childhood from illnesses and other things. In the family of my grandfather after the revolution (moved to the city) there were 4 children, everyone survived despite the war.
          The Bolsheviks destroyed the traditional way of life, first of all, by settling villages in villages (rather, settlements).
          They were resettled so inhumanely that in the non-black earth region alone, over 70 years, 101 new cities were formed out of nothing, and another 186 settlements grew so much that the confused Bolsheviks were forced to give them the status of a city. A total of 287 cities in 70 years. For comparison, on the territory of present-day Germany during the same period, only 80 villages received the status of a city. The level of urbanization for 1910: Germany - 60%, England - 78%, USA - 46%, Russia - 14%. Urbanization rate for 1990: Germany - 73,5%, England - 89%, USA - 75%, USSR - 73%. Damned communists! )))
          Where already under the conditions it was not until the birth of the children.
          So "not for children" that over 70 years the population has grown by 160 million, more than doubled.
          1. -1
            2 October 2018 10: 46
            Quote: Alex_59
            Before the revolution, in the family of my great-grandfather, 7 children were born, 4 survived, the rest died in childhood from illnesses and other things. In the family of my grandfather after the revolution (moved to the city) there were 4 children, everyone survived despite the war.

            RI for 22 years of Nicholas II: the population grew on 50%. Over the next 22 years, only 17% (also false). Extinction began in 1964, in 1992 the Russian Cross
            Quote: Alex_59
            The level of urbanization in 1990: Germany - 73,5%, England - 89%, USA - 75%, USSR - 73%. Damned communists! )))

            Ek you them ... But if you look: destroyed by 1985 60 thousand villages from 180 thousand in the Non-Black Earth region, managed to leave empty 500 residential houses there, abandoned millions of hectares of arable land and mowing ....
            And the population density of Russia a hundred years ago is 9,5 people. Today-8,5 people (like in 1991)

            So I agree ....
            1. +12
              2 October 2018 11: 03
              Quote: Olgovich
              RI for 22 of the year of Nicholas II: the population grew by 50%

              And then RI? You still remember the stone age. In the first two homo-sapiens, when the first child appeared, the population jumped by 33% immediately in a second - an increase unprecedented in human history in a unit of time. This is not about RI, and not about Nicholas II.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Over the next 22 years, only 17% (also false)

              Logically, the good king brought the country to a gripe, as a result of which all kinds of revolutionaries bred in it, everything collapsed, a bunch of people died.
              Quote: Olgovich
              But if you look: by the 1985 year, 60 thousand villages from 180 thousand in the Non-Black Earth region were destroyed, they managed to leave empty 500 000 residential houses there

              Spit on them from the high bell tower. Both my grandfathers also left the village, retrained from manual workers to mental workers, gave birth to children and everything is great. For some reason, they have not started to starve from the loss of population in the villages. Maybe because one Rostselmash combine does more work per day than a dozen peasants per week? You are not even stuck in the 20th century, you are stuck in the 19th century. You will begin to shed tears even over the abandoned caves of ancient people.
              Quote: Olgovich
              abandoned millions of hectares of arable land and mowing ....

              In a market economy (that is, today) that which is efficient and profitable will not be abandoned. I live in a region where, as you say, something very valuable and wildly needed by the people is abandoned. So I'll tell you - firstly, not everything is abandoned, and where there is valuable land, it is cultivated. And not with hoes, but with technique. In those places where the infrastructure was poor and it was not economically profitable to do something, there, yes, it was abandoned. Or they grow not bread, but something more successful. The fodder crops are the same for livestock. The completely unprofitable distant corners have been abandoned, where, according to modern standards, it is impossible to live and produce some kind of competitive product with a profit. In the United States, there is also enough such an abandoned place - the same Detroit is degrading before our eyes, because production in China is cheaper and more efficient. It is not the Bolsheviks or the Communists who are to blame - this is life, the natural course of history. At the same time, mind you - there is no hunger, grub in bulk, "Pyaterochka" and "Magnets" are already at every bus stop, and the food in them is of local production.
              On the other hand, I just returned from the Rostov region and Krasnodar. Kamaz loaded with wheat, potatoes, beets there are such columns that it is difficult to overtake them. I overtook a couple - just two others, and so hundreds of kilometers. I do not know what is abandoned there, but they work there in sweat. I don’t know who might need to settle additional working hands in the villages there, who might need it. If and so food in bulk. If only you want to pay from your wallet.
              1. -4
                2 October 2018 11: 20
                Quote: Alex_59
                Prior to the revolution, 7 children were born in the family of my great-grandfather, 4 survived, the rest died in childhood from illnesses and other things. In the family of my grandfather after the revolution (moved to the city) there were 4 children
                In the family of my grandfather (he did not move to the city), there were 8 children, only 5 survived. I know about what I wrote about, on the fate of my family I know the families of my neighbors. He lived in the villages. And I saw enough of the "party" outcasts. But about the tsarist times, the old people spoke with respect. Because there was order and law. And they didn't rob. And under the tsar, children died in those families who did not like to work (if we were not talking about an epidemic) and were not able to consult a doctor. Then, by the way, children were born healthier than now. So raising ten children in a family was not a problem for many.
                Quote: Alex_59
                for 70 years the population grew by 160 million, increasing by more than 2 times.
                Well, then so frankly mislead. It is checked (for example, according to the Demoscope). 1926 census: RSFSR - 100,9 million, 1989 - 147,4 = total 46.5 million people. And non-Russians have grown a lot more; Russians who have smashed the village - less. And if you decide to give the figures of the USSR in order to hide the defeat of the Russian village due to the increased birth rate in Central Asia and the Caucasus, then the numbers are different: 1926-147.0 mln .; 1989-286.7 million The difference is 139.3 million. This is already taking into account the plus that came after the annexation of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, the Baltic States, etc. Check, certainly not less than 20 million. The result, it turned out that for you 40 million people back and forth is nothing. Are people rubbish for you?
                In the Russian empire, there was an increase over the previous period without Poland and Finland: 1811 - 43.8 million, 1913-155.4 million. - total at 3.55 times, including 50 provinces of European Russia: 1811-41.8 mln., 1913-121.8 mln.
                Quote: Vasily50
                The idiocy of denying an obvious and documented fact already refers to medicine.
                People usually talk about idiocy according to the principle "who hurts what." You have come to the wrong address with this topic.
                If you decide to leave the defeat of the Russian village and talk about 1917. A person who has just read the "Short Course of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)" and nothing else, knows that period better. There is no need to present the Bolsheviks as white and fluffy and blame everything on the provisional government. You just need to know: that between February and October there was a dual power in Russia. Moreover, the Petrosovet (with the Bolsheviks), which was not responsible for anything, had more power than the Interim Government. Petrosovet was organized by terrorist parties on February 27 (March 12) even BEFORE the Tsar's abdication on March 2 (15). It was the Petrosovet that issued Order No. 1. It is not a fact that the power of the Socialist-Revolutionaries (another project from the same western casket, without the October coup) would have given the worst result for Russia. A picture about the attitude of the Bolsheviks to terrorism:
                1. +7
                  2 October 2018 12: 07
                  RSFSR - 100,9mln., 1989 of the year - 147,4 = total 46.5 mln.
                  Well, even if so. It turns out that there is growth.
                  hide the rout of the Russian village
                  What you call the "rout of the Russian countryside" is nothing more than a natural process of the development of society. In the 19th century, there were no tractors and combines, there were no mineral fertilizers. The only way to develop is a large number of hands. In the 20th century, if you are not aware, manual labor began to be replaced by mechanization everywhere. Extra mouths in the countryside are no longer needed. Where a hundred people used to plow, one combine operator began to work. Well, plus a couple more mechanics. Roughly speaking. Therefore, the people from the village naturally went to the cities, to do something more intellectual than swinging a shovel or a hoe. For example, he started designing the same tractors or combines. And if earlier the widespread physical labor, with its low efficiency, somehow made the Kuban and Siberian collective farmers equal, then in the 20th, and even more so in the 21st century, due to the difficult climate, the villagers from the Urals and Siberia finally lost the opportunity to compete with the solar fields of the Volga region and Kuban. And after all, what is characteristic, there are no communists and Bolsheviks for a long time, and the flourishing of village life in regions with a difficult climate has not happened. The same cannot be said about the south, where work is in full swing at an unprecedented pace. And they did not go hungry, on the contrary - food is everywhere in bulk.
                  By the way, a typical example is the town of Berezniki. In its place there were a dozen villages, which you write down as "defeated". But in the late 20s, a new city was built on the site of these (it is not clear what they were doing) villages. The city was built, of course, not from a bulldozer, not for the sake of a process, but for a specific purpose. The production of potash and nitrogen fertilizers was created, and around it - the city. And these fertilizers from the new production went to the south to improve the harvests of the Kuban fields. Do you get it? Instead of picking the frozen Ural soil with the illusory goal of making it give birth to something, people began to work in production. Due to this, the efficiency of agriculture has increased in another region of the country. Do you think this is a "destruction of the village"? In your opinion, would not other authorities (not the Bolsheviks) have done this?
                2. +5
                  2 October 2018 12: 11
                  Dear, it was precisely during the Soviet era that all lazy people did not live very well, and those who worked lived quite well. And there were very prosperous collective farms. And for a Western project, it’s better to brand Stolypin respected by you. So he certainly tried to organize agriculture according to the Western model without any consideration of the opinion of the village itself. Just did not take into account the psychology of the peasants, they were against private ownership of land and for them the state immediately became an enemy. And it was not for nothing that in the 17th, without any Bolsheviks, the peasants began a redistribution, burning out the landowners' estates. And do not compare population growth in the Republic of Ingushetia, where 85% of the population was agrarian, with the USSR. Living in the city, you will not give birth to 8 children.
                3. -2
                  2 October 2018 12: 41
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  Not the fact that the power of the Social Revolutionaries (another project from the same Western casket, without the October Revolution) for Russia would give the worst result.

                  not at all a fact: the Social Revolutionaries were a peasant party. they would not allow the defeat of the village under any circumstances. And tried to resist him
                  RSDLP and positioned itself (name) as the WORKERS 'party. The peasants for her are an annoying hindrance and a burden in the construction of "happiness"
                  1. +2
                    3 October 2018 08: 10
                    The Socialist-Revolutionaries already came to power in a number of cities in the summer of the 1918 year (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl), and completely showed their failure. They did not have a state building program at all.
                    1. +1
                      3 October 2018 11: 44
                      C'mon, the Socialist-Revolutionaries were doing very well, no corpses from starvation in the streets.
                4. +5
                  2 October 2018 17: 03
                  Now, about the Soviet era, the old people speak respectfully. Because order was law. And they didn’t rob. babies were born healthier than they are now.
                  By March 2 (15), 1917, the Executive Committee already consisted of 36 members, among whom there were 7 Bolsheviks. (Did these 7 have power? They laughed at them in April 1917, when one blurted out that there is a party that is ready to take power).
                  In Europe and the USA, villages were also defeated.
                  from 1811-1913 there were no such destructions as in the 20th century - civil, the second and reforms 91, when not only people were lost, but it was also necessary to restore what was destroyed under the blockade, the Cold War or the frank deriban of the country.
                  Yes, and the Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918 by Yakov Sverdlov in the appeal of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and confirmed by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars of September 5, 1918 as a response to the assassination of Lenin on August 30, as well as to the assassination on the same day by Leonid Kannegiser of the Chairman of the Petrograd Cheka Uritsky.
                5. +2
                  2 October 2018 21: 31
                  For Nicholas S. and those whom he misled.
                  Quote: “Fundamentally, we never refused and we cannot refuse terror».

                  Another "reader" V.I. Lenin showed up. Well, why so primitive? They took the quote out of context and declare it as a rule. This can affect those who have no time to look into V.I. Lenin’s work, and if the text of Lenin’s work had been continued, you would look - people would understand for what case it was written. Lenin polemicizes with the Social Revolutionaries, in which terror was placed at the forefront.

                  IN AND. Lenin further continues: «This is one of the military operations, which can be quite suitable and even necessary at a certain moment of the battle, under a certain condition of the troops and under certain conditions. But the crux of the matter lies precisely in the fact that terror is now being advanced not by any means as one of the operations of the active army, which is closely connected and consistent with the entire combat system, but as an independent and independent means of a single attack.»

                  And according to the second Leninist quote. Same.
                  In this work, Lenin has such lines
                  «Add the right to replace execution by expulsion abroad, by decision of the Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee (for a term or indefinitely).
                  In my opinion, it is necessary expand the use of execution (with the replacement of expulsion abroad). See p. 1 below to all types of activities of the Mensheviks, pp. etc.;"

                  And then he writes options for the use of terror, here is one of them;
                  "Propaganda, or agitation, or participation in an organization, or assistance to organizationsacting (propaganda and agitation) in the direction of helping that part the international bourgeoisie, which does not recognize the equality of the capitalist system that is replacing the communist system of property and seeks to overthrow it by force, whether through intervention, or blockade, or espionage, or financing the press, etc. "punishable by capital punishment, with the replacement, in the case of extenuating circumstances, with imprisonment or expulsion abroad."
                  I mean - for betrayal.

                  Hack and predictor Aviator: Ah, what a terrorist V.I. Lenin, requires execution with a replacement for expulsion abroad.
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2018 23: 01
                    Alexander Greene
                    We look in the book - we see a fig?
                    Let your colleagues see here WHAT Lenin writes.
                    With six articles with execution, starting with the famous fifty-eighth, six more must be added !!! That it is necessary to openly motivate the essence and justification of terror.
                    And then, that, in addition to the 12 existing articles with execution, the use of execution must be further expanded! And so yes - there was a replacement for the execution by deportation abroad. Everyone knows the application of this norm - they presented the whole Philosophical Steamboat to the West. Also look at the norm - for unauthorized return from abroad - execution.
                    The level of your understanding of other Leninist works is also hopelessly low. (the picture is clickable)

                    PS. I recall how the Ukrainian Communists in the Rada participated in the political legitimization of the Bandera-fascist regime with their votes. What a disgusting sight it was.
                    1. +2
                      2 October 2018 23: 19
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      PS. I recall how the Ukrainian Communists in the Rada participated in the political legitimization of the Bandera-fascist regime with their votes. What a disgusting sight it was.

                      A caliper would highlight the cause of this action ...
                    2. -1
                      3 October 2018 21: 57
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      The level of your understanding of other Leninist works is also hopelessly low.

                      Who would talk about a poor understanding of V.I. Lenin.

                      You read the edit, and did not even bother to look at what part of the Criminal Code it refers to.

                      Before writing anything, one had to look into the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, for which V.I. Lenin offers “Add: execution for unauthorized return from abroad.”
                      Its amendment concerns the section The special part of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, Chapter I. State crimes, section 1 “On counter-revolutionary crimes”where articles such as:

                      58. Organization for counter - revolutionary purposes of armed uprisings or invasion of Soviet territory by armed groups or gangs, as well as participation in any attempt for the same purposes to seize power in the center and in the localities or to forcibly tear away from RSFSR . any part of its territory, or terminate its contracts,

                      Comments, as they say, are superfluous.

                      And a few words about how this "terrible" Law was implemented. For example, the terrorist Savinkov returned illegally and was sentenced to 10 years, General Slashchev returned, according to the permission of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, and no repressions were applied to him.
                      I hope you are not in a claim to the Soviet regime that Slashchev was shot dead after 6 years by the brother of one of the hanged men who was ordered by Slashchev to be the commander of the white army in Crimea.
                6. +3
                  7 October 2018 13: 44
                  In RI, everyone lived. Somewhere and not bad. But it is worth reading, for example, the poet Isakovsky's memoir. Or mermoires, which are neither tsarist and white general Orlov. Yes, or Denikin. A picture will be compiled. There is one conclusion. And I did not do it. I don’t even know who. The white movement lost in the territories where serfdom was. And that’s all. Yes, where there was no serfdom, the whites had temporary success. The Reds also had a lot of scum. But, apparently, there was still less of it there.
                  I’ll write right away: Isakovsky is never a Jew. Ordinary Russian peasant son Smolensk province. This is his pseudonym, according to the taken surname of his older brother. His memoirs read generally longing. From such hopelessness you will go into any revolution. Only promise a little better life.
                  For me, Orlov (also their peasants) remembered best of all: "they gave birth to a lot - 10-12 children, 3-5 lived to come of age". All. And do not tell fairy tales about rivers of milk and jelly banks.
                  1. -1
                    7 October 2018 21: 38
                    Proktofantasmolog your Isakovsky and trust him zero.
                    At the same time, the unfortunate child from a large peasant family studied at the gymnasium.
              2. 0
                2 October 2018 12: 32
                Quote: Alex_59
                And then RI? You still remember the stone age.

                Myself, don’t remember at all:
                In the family of my great-grandfather before the revolution 7 children were born
                7
                At the same time, and RI.
                Quote: Alex_59
                Of course, the good king brought the country to grips, as a result of which all kinds of revolutionaries bred in it, everything collapsed, a bunch of people died.

                RUSSIAN PEOPLE "multiplied" under the tsar. under the next power, died out
                Quote: Alex_59
                Spit on them from a high bell tower.

                Spitters were added to the Russian Cross. Without a Russian village with its fertility, Russia could not be populated. Do not populate -Russian people
                Quote: Alex_59
                Maybe because one Rostselmash combine does more work per day than a dozen peasants per week? You are not even stuck in the 20th century, you are stuck in the 19th century. You will begin to shed tears through the abandoned caves of ancient people

                No, dear, there simply should be MANY more such harvesters, like the population. Otherwise, Russia will be settled by others. Learn Chinese already?
                And so soon the cultivator will be enough for you to feed the diminished population.
                Quote: Alex_59
                In a market economy (today, that is), what is effective and profitable will not be abandoned.

                And then. that SOMEone needs to work efficiently just physically, is there something missing to understand? Siberia is not populated, because it is inefficient and unprofitable to live and work there? Give the Chinese, the Vietnamese the most abandoned villages and land, and you will see HOW you can earn money there and on what.
                Quote: Alex_59
                It’s not the Bolsheviks and the Communists who are to blame - it’s such a life, the natural course of history

                How many times I appeal to you: IMAGINE tens of thousands of abandoned "unprofitable, unpromising villages and millions of hectares of" unprofitable "wooded arable land in Germany, France etc. There, the villages disappeared, becoming CITIES, and in our country - becoming a desert.
                Quote: Alex_59
                I do not know what is abandoned there

                It's easier to live without knowing. "All is well. Beautiful marquise" ....

                And one would know that Russia is abandoned 39 million hectares that exceeds the area of ​​Germany. Forest areas in Russia are growing faster than in any other part of the world.

                But-food in bulk and the ecology rises, green lungs of the planet: "EVERYTHING IS GOOD, lovely marquise ..." request
                1. +5
                  2 October 2018 12: 45
                  RUSSIAN PEOPLE "multiplied" under the tsar. under the next power, died out
                  From repeated repetition of this mantra, reality will not change. )))
                  there must be MUCH more such harvesters
                  Who "should"? For what?
                  Give the Chinese, the Vietnamese the most abandoned villages and land, and you will see HOW you can earn money there and on what.
                  Well, duck, then you come here instead of the Chinese. What is the problem? Give birth to Xnumx children, etc. And I will see how you can make money and on what - on your example. Why aren’t you going?
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  "Unprofitable, unpromising villages and millions of hectares of" unprofitable "wooded arable land in Germany, France, etc.
                  In Greenland, do not give similar examples? The Danes did not rush to sow rye there in droves. Strange, right? Climate, climate ... We have here outside the window + 2 and rain, yesterday the first snow was. The most is to plow and sow.
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2018 14: 29
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    From repeated repetition of this mantra, reality will not change

                    just remember this fact
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Who "should"? For what?

                    For the savings of Russia and its people
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Well, duck, then you come here instead of the Chinese. What is the problem? Give birth to Xnumx children, etc. And I will see how you can make money and on what - on your example. Why aren’t you going?

                    only after the members of the "mind, honor and strength of the era" moved there. Yes And then they directed, and others should disentangle
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    In Greenland, do not give similar examples? The Danes did not rush to sow rye there in droves. Strange, right? Climate, climate ... We have here outside the window + 2 and rain, yesterday the first snow was. The most is to plow and sow.

                    The non-chernozem region of Russia, where only one hundred years ago they KILLED each other for a piece of land, and today the land is empty there, is NOT Greenland. Is this not obvious?
                2. +1
                  2 October 2018 13: 39
                  Have you seen WHAT remains of the land on which the Chinese and Vietnamese "agrarians" "worked hard" ??? absolutely equally, that in Siberia, in the Far East, in the Volgograd region ...
                  1. +3
                    2 October 2018 14: 20
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    -1
                    Have you seen WHAT remains of the land on which the Chinese and Vietnamese "agrarians" "worked hard" ???

                    Have you seen WHAT IS on earth in China and Vietnam, where the Kiai agrarians are working hard (see rice Fields on the steep mountain slopes)?
                    1. +3
                      2 October 2018 14: 46
                      The key word is on THEIR land..and here, on our earth, they leave a dead space where for many years nothing can grow at all.
                      And an important point, if our peasant today had the same loans (their size and rate) as in Europe and America, if on 1 ha of cultivated land there was at least 50% of the west, support from the state, then there was no such wasteland would
                3. 0
                  2 October 2018 18: 59
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  How many times I appeal to you: IMAGINE tens of thousands of abandoned "unprofitable, unpromising villages and millions of hectares of" unprofitable "wooded arable land in Germany, France, etc. There, villages disappeared, becoming CITIES, and with us - becoming a desert.

                  Yes, it’s easy, Andryukha! Even in the 80 they planted rye, corn, barley ... This is near the grandfather's house. Was in July - there’s not a damn thing there.
                  1. +4
                    3 October 2018 06: 31
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Ah, easy, Andryukha! Back in the 80s they planted rye, corn, barley ... This is near the grandfather's house. Was in July - there’s not a damn thing there.

                    So where did you live with your grandfather: in Germany or France (I asked to present the deceased villages exactly TAM)? lol
              3. -1
                4 October 2018 19: 55
                Alex, I agree with you that the Bolsheviks should not be cut off to the current state of things. In my native village, 5 people are now studying at school, and in the 70s there were 95
            2. +1
              2 October 2018 17: 29
              And let's look at Finland:
              In 1909, 3015,7 thousand people lived there, in 1913 - 3196,7 thousand increased annually by 1,47%. that at this growth rate, by 1960 the population of Finland should have reached 6340,6 thousand people, while in reality 4430 thousand lived there at that time, that Finland “lost due to the events of 1917-1959. 1,91 million human lives. ”Almost half the population is not repressed? (Also Stalin’s repressions)
              1. 0
                2 October 2018 18: 46
                Finland is a Protestant country, there were other birth control laws.
                1. +1
                  2 October 2018 21: 37
                  Faith does not allow protestants to have many children? !!! laughing
                  England was a Protestant country in 18-19, and the USA too, but the birth rate was high
                  Or not? wassat
                  1. +2
                    3 October 2018 12: 40
                    The departure from faith in God first began in Protestant countries.
              2. +3
                3 October 2018 06: 34
                Quote: naidas
                And let's look at Finland:

                Is this a typical Russian region?
                Let Smolensk province look. Bryansk region, the heart and foundation of Russia.
                1. -3
                  3 October 2018 18: 36
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Let Smolensk province look. Bryansk region

                  I am embarrassed to ask for what purpose are you going to compare the demography of all of Russia with the demography of its (parts) areas?
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2018 07: 59
                    Quote: naidas
                    I am embarrassed to ask for what purpose are you going to compare the demography of all of Russia with the demography of its (parts) areas?

                    This you did, with Finland.
                    And so the Smolensk region is in every way more typical for ALL RUSSIA than Finland.
                  2. 0
                    7 October 2018 13: 47
                    What to watch Smolensk region? There the war passed twice. Roundtrip. How much was left after the war ???
                    1. +1
                      7 October 2018 14: 31
                      The question was that the demographics of the USSR suffered because of the Bolshevik repressions, Finland, where demography also dipped from 1909-1960, asked the question, also the Bolshevik repressions in independent Finland, Olgovich brought the Smolensk region why ask Olgovich.
        2. +3
          2 October 2018 16: 21
          And Austria-Hungary also defeated the Bolsheviks.
          The main milestones of the war between the Bolsheviks and the peasantry are also interesting. There were no peasants in all of Europe, only farmers or agricultural holdings.
          The organization of hunger-in the conditions of a complete blockade -can be more detailed.
          And the United States under Roosevelt also destroyed the way of life, again the Bolsheviks.
          After Nikolai did not hear how the Bolsheviks warned of the degeneration of revolutionaries.
        3. +1
          5 October 2018 15: 52
          Nikola S, you are absolutely right in saying: Khrushchev and his henchmen TRIED: his ideals (in words, such Leninists that even pray for them) and the beliefs that perished on the Bolshevik front, the people and as a result of the collapse of a powerful state
        4. 0
          7 October 2018 17: 59
          The result of the war of the Western project-Bolshevism against Russia was the defeat of millennial Russia in just 70 years and the rejection of the "Russian super-ethnos" into the borders of the 16th century.
          You are not weak brooms however. For 70 years, the feudal state has become the 2nd economy of the world, what is the 16th century? And the peasants on whom you cry tearfully, moved to cities and became townspeople.
          1. 0
            7 October 2018 21: 40
            18 thousand out of 22 thousand of the population of Staroshcherbinovsky in general became angels, moved to heavenly cities
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        6. +1
          4 November 2018 20: 43
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          For their miserable privileges they were shaking, and for their status, which was not acceptable to everyone in an acceptable way.

          In vain minus. Nikolay went too far about the Communists who did not go to war. My grandfather from a family of enemies of the people was accepted into the communists under Nazi fire. And about the privileges of rights. This pushed the people away from the Communists, as it is now pushing the people away from the deputies. Especially after the pension issue. The elections will definitely show it.
      2. +10
        2 October 2018 08: 38
        nicholas
        The idiocy of denying an obvious and documented fact already refers to medicine. The tsar’s abdication during the WAR was carried out by the top leaders of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, that is, they saw the obvious fact of the tsar’s wrecking. They destroyed the RUSSIAN EMPIRE * temporary *, it was they who prepared the zones of occupation, they destroyed the very foundation of the state.
        The Bolsheviks can only be blamed for the fact that they refused to destroy RUSSIA, threw out the interventionists and their minions, rebuilt the SOVIET UNION.
      3. +1
        7 October 2018 17: 52
        It is interesting that the liberals who criticize the Bolsheviks completely deny the internal and external situation, as well as the problems and challenges that the Bolsheviks and the Soviet regime faced, criticize the measures, without explaining the tasks for which they had to be applied.
        This time is tragic and it is impossible to mock and groan the Bolsheviks. Moreover, taking into account all the challenges and threats of that time, the Soviet government was able to preserve the state, for which it needs to be a monument.
        Liberals, however, disguise themselves as human rights defenders, are anti-Soviet and anti-state.
    2. 0
      2 October 2018 08: 01
      Here in the first part of the discussion was repeated many times. And no one rebuffed this.
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      34 thousand people .//+ NKVD And 279,3 million 15 million received those medals who did not return from the battle.
      Therefore, I looked at the data of our historians from this topic - Doctor of Historical Sciences, prof. Kurukova. He cites loss figures larger than Krivosheev. From the tablet it’s clear where there is 34.5 million (as I wrote in that part - this is with those mobilized into the industry)where 21.6, and where the brazen Bandera hutspa.
      From the irrecoverable losses of the army - 11, one must subtract 944 returned from captivity. Those. only 100 1 836. Well, how many Germans say they had in captivity - 562 million? This means that they destroyed 10 million in the death camps. only servicemen, which must be subtracted from 107 million. The result is the death toll directly at the front ("battlefield") - 500 million.
      1. +6
        2 October 2018 10: 32
        In general, this author is amazing! Extremely amazing. Those. The insurgent people in Tambov and not only the province are bandits ?! And the Bolsheviks actually just put things in order and fought against banditry? Wow!!! Gas, army, artillery and aviation eradicated banditry?!?!?! Regarding the geography of "such banditry", the author is clearly modest - uprisings against the Bolsheviks broke out throughout Russia. And with the number of rebels Samsonov looks like just a flirtatious young lady - in the Ishim district of Western Siberia alone, the number of rebels reached 60 fighters! Rebellions broke out in Tyumen, Chelyabinsk, Tobolsk, Yekaterinburg and other provinces! What actually led to this ?! And really bandits, as Samsonov calls it, were such a huge number of peasants?!?!?!
        On May 22, 1917, at the All-Russian Congress of Peasant Deputies, Lenin spoke about at least a million FAMILIES (!!!!!) of rich peasants. Prior to that, in April 1917, at the All-Russian meeting of Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, Lenin said that he did not know the statistics on peasants at all (however, he still passionately wished to make them happy). In August of the same year, Ilyich already spoke about 5 rich families peasants - "bloodsuckers" and about 000 families of middle peasants (not a bad admission of "poverty and wretchedness" of tsarist Russia from the mouth of the leader of the proletariat). And that's not all. On September 000, 3, in the Decree on imposing a tax in kind on agriculture, Lenin already speaks of 000% of the rich peasant farms !!!!!!! So? And then the means of production for the peasants using "kulist methods" not to give out !!! Read the materials of the 000th All-Russian Congress of Soviets! "A kulak is one who generally uses a kulak device, and a kulak device is used separately by every middle peasant"! Thus, the majority of the Russian peasantry became enemies of the new government and bandits according to Samsonov! And the surplus appropriation system entered the business, i.e. speaking in our Russian in gangster robbery! It's just that the Russian peasants believed in Lenin's Decree on Land, in which Lenin promised the peasants not only the land proper, but also the organization of life according to his peasant understanding, and neither the peasants could imagine that these sweet promises would turn into the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly in less than a year ! And less than 21 years after the Decree, the leader will say that - "... freedom of trade will inevitably lead to the White Guards and the victory of capital! And that ... free trade in grain is a state crime !!!!!!!!!!"
        According to official data from the Cheka, from July to November 1918, 108 uprisings broke out in Russia! For the whole of 1918, only in 20 provinces of central Russia there were 245 large anti-Soviet riots! Under what slogans? Building a new people's power! Soviets without Bolsheviks, etc. The number of participants in these uprisings exceeded the total number of soldiers and officers of the White Army! How the new government fought with its people and whether it considered the Russian people its own is a separate issue! I will only say that according to Samsonov, it turns out that the Bolsheviks, mainly Jews, Latvians, Estonians, Hungarians, Chinese and other internationalists, who wrote a communist in the nationality column, fought for the Russian statehood entirely ... Or we will soon Let's hear from Samsonov not only an expression like "Bolsheviks are Russian communists" but also "Jews are farmers ?!" Not the order I will tell you to publish such articles on such a readable resource!
        1. +5
          2 October 2018 12: 18
          Who fought against peasant uprisings? Martians? The same Russian peasants. Most of the commanders of the Great Patriotic War fought in the Civil War on the side of the Reds and were not any Latvians. The reasons for the peasant uprisings was the surplus appraisal, which the peasants naturally did not accept, because they wanted to sell grain to the city not at the fixed prices that the Bolsheviks set, but at market prices (consider yours). But here’s the question, dear, do you, for example, need to feed a city that is starving, and surplus bread has accumulated in the village, your actions? What should the Bolsheviks do? As I understand it, it was necessary to carry out agitation and explain to the peasants about the famine in the city, only they would send you away.
          1. -4
            2 October 2018 12: 34
            Freedom of trade solves all problems.
            Lenin introduced the surplus appraisal for total control over the country, and not for solving the problem of urban nutrition.
            The peasants themselves would have brought and sold food to the city.
            Where there were white, there was no hunger, where red hunger was a constant companion.
            Quote: Rastas
            Most commanders of World War II fought in the Civil War on the side of the Reds and were not any Latvians.

            Well, that was the usual cannon meat, the shock units for the struggle against the peasantry, just internationalists.
            Well, the top among the Bolsheviks, something Russian peasants were not visible there.
            1. -1
              2 October 2018 19: 03
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              Lenin introduced the surplus appraisal for total control over the country, and not for solving the problem of urban nutrition.

              Are you really not spies? And then I thought that Nikolashka introduced the surplus appraisal.
              1. 0
                2 October 2018 19: 19
                You see, Yura ... (C).
                The names are the same, but the phenomena are different.
                It happens.
                Homonyms is such a term in Russian.
          2. +6
            2 October 2018 13: 21
            Quote: Rastas
            The reasons for the peasant uprisings was the surplus appraisal, which the peasants naturally did not accept, because they wanted to sell grain to the city not at the fixed prices that the Bolsheviks set, but at market prices (consider yours).

            Dear dear comrade, formally, the Bolsheviks 'purchase' of surplus grain from peasants was in fact an ordinary robbery! The money simply depreciated, and there were simply no goods for in-kind exchange! The weaning of grain from the peasants was carried out both by armed commissars (committees of the poor), and by detachments of the food army and special units of the Red Army. At the same time, the peasants reduced their crops because understood that grain would be taken away in any case, and peasant labor was hard! In fact, in order to feed the army and the proletariat, the Bolsheviks simply sacrificed the peasants. All this war communism has led to dire consequences in the economy and in the social sphere! Instead of the declared restoration of the national economy, its degradation took place! I’ll repeat if you didn’t understand it the first time - the Bolsheviks' grain trade is a crime against the state! And how the food detachments acted in the villages is generally akin to the invaders!
            Quote: Rastas
            Most of the commanders of the Great Patriotic War fought in the Civil War on the side of the Reds and were not any Latvians.

            Don't you know about the red Latvian riflemen ?! Well, what are you ?! They were called the "October Iron Guards!" These are the military formations most loyal to the Bolsheviks. They guarded the Bolshevik elite. They were distinguished by their proletarian consciousness, because they were entrusted with the "honorable" mission of dispersing the Constituent Assembly, which laid the foundation for the dictatorship in the country. 250 Latvians under the leadership of Jan Peters guarded Smolny - the cradle of the revolution! They guarded the train carrying Lenin to Moscow. Transformed into a Latvian regiment and guarded the Kremlin. The Latvian rifle division became the first regular formation in the Red Army. The divisions were charged with exclusively punitive functions. It was commanded by J. Vatsetis, political commissar S. Nahimson. Combat path:
            - suppression of the Cossack counter on the Don! In Rostov, without trial, they shot all men and teenagers suspected of sympathy for the Cossacks;
            - Restoring revolutionary order in Belarus and the same general executions on suspicion ...;
            - participated in the suppression of all actions against the Bolsheviks in 20 provinces of the center of Russia.
            List you the formation of these punitive? You are welcome. 6th Troilinsky Latvian regiment, Model, Moscow Latvian squad, Samara Latvian battalion, Ufa battalion, Tambov Latvian cavalry squadron, Arkhangelsk Latvian special squad, Vologda special squad, 1st Beloguev Latvian Latvian revolver, Vladimir, , Voronezh and Kharkov special units. Enough? I can continue. Total - at the beginning of the revolution at least 11 shooters! And this is in addition to the Latvian division itself! Just for an example. Only in 700, these figures, as they say with fire and sword, walked through Kaluga, Saratov, Nizhny Novgorod, Novgorod, Ostashkov, Staraya Russa and other settlements of the Kaluga, Moscow, Penza, Tambov and Saratov provinces where anti-Bolshevik speeches were suppressed with particular cruelty. Not your own - why trifle ?! And these revolutionaries left a truly terrible memory of themselves in the Crimea - they shot people, drowned in the sea, threw them off the cliffs, hung ... Crimea after such events began to be called the All-Russian cemetery. According to various estimates, at least 1918 people were executed! Next time I will tell you about the dominance of Latvians in the organs of the Cheka.
            1. +1
              2 October 2018 13: 35
              And here are the Latvian arrows? From your words it turns out that the Russians were defeated by the Latvian arrows and other internationalists, which is nonsense. I do not need about nationality, otherwise I will remind you. What nationality sat on the throne of Russia and how many Germans were in the service of the tsar and how they related to the Russian people. Once again I ask, what did the authorities have to do to feed the city? And so the surplus app was the first to be introduced by the tsarist government in the 16th, when it was faced with a shortage of food in the cities.
              1. -1
                2 October 2018 14: 05
                And what about the Latvian arrows? // shock punishers of the revolution, for whom the Russians were a foreign, hostile race. It was not for nothing that those of the red Latvian arrows survived then served in the SS legion and destroyed the Russian population near Latvia.
                and how many Germans were in the service of the tsar and how they related to the Russian people // As well as to the German and other peoples and tribes.
                Once again I ask what the authorities needed to do to feed the city? //
                FREEDOM OF TRADE !!!
                Peasants themselves will bring and provide themselves with the city. So understand?
                I repeat, for those who are tank
                Where there were whites, there was no hunger.
                Where there were red hunger in GV has always been.
                And so the surplus app was the first to be introduced by the tsarist government in the 16th, // The name is the same there, but the essence is different.
                1. +2
                  2 October 2018 17: 23
                  The peasants did not hand over bread to the cities, expecting a jump in prices. What then to do? White food reconnaissance was also carried out, only from them it was called a requisition, and often they just took away bread. Kolchak thus opposed himself to all of Siberia. But the imperial food surplus could not solve the problem of food shortages in cities. And the same Latvian arrows heroically fought against the Germans in the 17th during the Riga defensive operation. They were not executioners - all these are myths of emigrant historians, there is no direct evidence of their alleged Russophobia.
                  1. -2
                    2 October 2018 17: 31
                    They were fiercely servile hatreds, and their barons deliberately led them out as dumb and efficient bipedal cattle, crossing deaf and dumb and others, they fiercely hated both Russians and Germans.
                    Therefore, it’s not surprising that they fought against both
                    Moreover, they pulled from Latvia to Russia, fearing responsibility for violence against the German population, the peaceful EU.
                    And then for gold and the opportunity to rob, they hired to serve the new owners.
                    1. -1
                      2 October 2018 19: 07
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      They were fiercely servile hatreds, and their barons deliberately led them out as dumb and efficient bipedal cattle, crossing deaf and dumb and others, they fiercely hated both Russians and Germans.

                      Expand your thought, please, otherwise it is a little incomprehensible.
                      1. +2
                        2 October 2018 19: 30
                        For about 700 years, Latvians were enslaved people.
                        Genetic experiments were put on them — all these years and centuries.
                        The Russians, in contrast to the German elite in the Baltic States, assisted in the formation of the Latvian and Estonian nations.
                        Including the creation of separate volunteer units from Latvians in 1915, this policy was promoted by the politician of Alexander the 3rd, who accepted Latvians in cadet schools by lopquot.
                        After 1917, the overwhelming majority of Latvians (farm laborers and landless) spoke for the Bolsheviks, noting violence against the local German population.
                        After the Brest Peace Treaty, these units rushed to flee to Russia, where, in full force, they entered the service of the Bolsheviks.
                        The RIA was dissolved and demobilized, and the Latvian units continued to serve with Lenin. They were thrown into the most tense areas, paid in gold.
                      2. +1
                        5 October 2018 23: 17
                        Quote: Koshnitsa
                        For about 700 years, Latvians were enslaved people.
                        Genetic experiments were put on them — all these years and centuries.
                        The Russians, in contrast to the German elite in the Baltic States, assisted in the formation of the Latvian and Estonian nations.
                        Including the creation of separate volunteer units from Latvians in 1915, this policy was promoted by the politician of Alexander the 3rd, who accepted Latvians in cadet schools by lopquot.
                        After 1917, the overwhelming majority of Latvians (farm laborers and landless) spoke for the Bolsheviks, noting violence against the local German population.
                        After the Brest Peace Treaty, these units rushed to flee to Russia, where, in full force, they entered the service of the Bolsheviks.
                        The RIA was dissolved and demobilized, and the Latvian units continued to serve with Lenin. They were thrown into the most tense areas, paid in gold.

                        hi These "red Latvian riflemen" continued their bloody career in the punitive bodies, both Soviet and national-anti-Soviet, and Hitler's, oddly enough (although, no wonder, after all, mercenaries remain mercenaries, whoever pays them better is what they serve ?!). In our southern Ukrainian regions, those detachments of Latvian punitive forces, as well as detachments of "Red Chinese", were recalled by rural old-timers with an unkind word, as the most ruthless and cruel, even after the megadushegubian Nazi occupation. request
                2. -1
                  2 October 2018 17: 31
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  FREEDOM OF TRADE !!!

                  Or maybe it is necessary, as in France, trade did not help, but they began to chop heads and the problem was solved
                  1. +1
                    2 October 2018 17: 45
                    What did they decide?
                    Before the revolution, France was a superpower, and then ceased to be it.
                    1. 0
                      2 October 2018 21: 47
                      France after the Revolution crushed the whole of Europe for itself, throwing the British from the continent. What has never happened before.
                      Napoleon did not dare to venture into Russia - who knows how things would turn out for France. So "then it ceased to be" a consequence of the defeat of France in the war and not the Revolution.
                      And this is completely different.
                      1. +2
                        2 October 2018 22: 41
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        France after the Revolution crushed the whole of Europe for itself, throwing the British from the continent. What has never happened before.
                        Do not dare Napoleon
                        Keyword Napoleon. Had he not stood at the head of France and there would have been no his victories and conquests.
                      2. +2
                        3 October 2018 12: 43
                        Well, do not tell, Burakovsky, royal France was higher than Napoleonic, like the Second Reich above the Third.
                        Never a single revolution brought to good.
              2. +3
                2 October 2018 14: 49
                Quote: Rastas
                I do not need about nationality, otherwise I will remind you. What nationality sat on the throne of Russia and how many Germans were in the service of the tsar and how they related to the Russian people.

                And why are you angry then ?! Why not about nationality? Is it a forbidden topic, or am I insulting someone on a national basis ?! No need to be so fearful, especially since I am simply stating a fact! The overwhelming majority of revolutionaries and certainly revolutionaries in power will remind the Russians in Russia of no relation whatsoever! You don't like it ?! Understand. But this does not mean that this is not true! You deigned to talk about the command staff of the Red Army including those who participated in the suppression of anti-Bolshevik uprisings? Well, look at the lists. Most of them were subsequently destroyed by associates, like spies, traitors and other enemies of the people!
                Quote: Rastas
                Once again I ask, what did the authorities have to do to feed the city? And so the surplus app was the first to be introduced by the tsarist government in the 16th, when it was faced with a shortage of food in the cities.

                In your opinion, apparently it turns out - to destroy the village, which actually did! Well, and if you do not argue in a Bolshevik way, then you simply didn’t ask to go wherever they climb! And do not plunge the country into chaos! The imperial food surplus is precisely the purchase of bread at solid prices, and not robbery. And let it be known to you that the Russian Empire is the only country in the war that did not introduce food cards!
                Well, a little of the great Russian Germans, and not only I will list you now -
                Barclay de Tolly - the hero of the war of 1812,
                Baumgarten A.K. - General, hero of the Crimean War,
                Block I.I. - Governor of the Samara province uncle of the poet A.A. Block
                Bryullov K.P. - paintings
                Wrangel K.K. - general
                Wrangel F.P. - Admiral, polar explorer,
                Wiese V.Yu. - scientist polar
                Gisel Inokenty - archimandrite of the Kiev - Pechersk Lavra, philosopher,
                Grabbe P.H. - participant in the war with Napoleon and the war in the Caucasus, general,
                Dal V.I. - author of the explanatory dictionary of the Great Russian language,
                Keller E.E. - Academician of history and archeology, head of the Hermitage department,
                Kruzenshtern I.F. - Russian navigator, admiral,
                Litke F.P. - Arctic explorer,
                Romanov emperors of Russia under which our state grew with new lands ...
                Totleben, Gottlob Kurt Heinrich - Russian general who took Berlin in 1760,
                Totleben E.I. - famous military engineer,
                Fonvizin D.I. - writer - comedian,
                Engelhart G.G. - Major General, participant in the war of 1812 and many, many, many ...
                You won’t believe it, they did not create turmoil in the country, did not advocate for Russia's loss in wars, and did not take away bread from the peasants. All of them are glorious sons of Russia!
                ...
                1. -2
                  2 October 2018 15: 40
                  Oper today jumped above his head :)
                  I will add: the German Athanasius Fet, when he drove past the building of the conservatory, always stopped, spitting in her direction, while wanting her fire like an aspen nest ... (hereinafter referred to as the classics of the genre :))
                  1. -5
                    2 October 2018 15: 51
                    I will reveal a terrible Russian secret.
                    Russians are at 90% descendants of European colonists who moved here from Europe and exterminated and devoured the local Asian population. bully
                    1. +1
                      2 October 2018 18: 28
                      Kosnitsa, are you dreaming in reality and you see such a dream? I haven't seen such fierce nonsense for a long time! Please, what "European colonists", what "Asians" and how did they absorb?
                      Oeea belay
                      1. -3
                        2 October 2018 18: 43
                        Well, so Beringovsky is elementary.
                        And the Slavs and Scandinavians, and even the Balkans, are Europeans who moved to the East and exterminated and assimilated local tribes of the same Finno-Finns, Asian descent and others. The same Meryans were exterminated and pushed to the East, and so on.
                    2. +2
                      2 October 2018 19: 15
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      Russians are at 90% descendants of European colonists who moved here from Europe and exterminated and devoured the local Asian population.

                      N.daa .... I have never met such nonsense. And this ... are there documents from the Vatican?
                      1. 0
                        2 October 2018 19: 50
                        Do not learn this from you, masa pond-mukara?
                  2. +1
                    2 October 2018 16: 52
                    Still, he was Shenshin by father and managed to be called by this surname at the end of his life.
                2. +2
                  5 October 2018 16: 40
                  In fact, Barclay da Tolle "Baltai and Only" (Ermolov did not like Barclay) was a Scot, and Scotland and Germany are not one of the same
                3. -1
                  8 October 2018 21: 04
                  I would like to clarify that the Romanovs were not Germans. The monarchs do not have a nationality at all, there they have for so many centuries mixed up so much. In the monarchy, the right of any of the dynasty to the throne is important. The Romanovs were legal monarchs. The current Queen of Great Britain is never an Englishwoman, so what?
              3. +2
                3 October 2018 06: 40
                Quote: Rastas
                Once again I ask, what did the authorities have to do to feed the city?

                Just leave.
          3. -2
            2 October 2018 14: 37
            Quote: Rastas
            For example, you need to feed the city, which is starving, and in the village surplus bread has accumulated, your actions? What should the Bolsheviks do? As I understand it, it was necessary to conduct agitation and explain to the peasants about the famine in the city, only they would send you away.

            If you don’t know what to do, do NOT torture yourself. no people! What's not clear?
            of all the sets of "control" they knew only - to select and shoot.
            The illiterate, never-working, over-the-top loafers, who did not know Russia and who had lived half their lives abroad, undertook to comprehend the experience of managing a huge economy using the bloody method.
            in Germany, during the war, almost MILLION died of hunger from hunger, and they quickly coped with the problem.
            in Russia, there wasn’t such a thing. and brought to hunger AFTER the World War!
            1. +4
              2 October 2018 15: 40
              And about feeding ... At the end of 1916, the well-known Brusilov was very upset that the norm for bread dropped to 1 kg. a day and had to introduce two lean days a week in which instead of meat and meatballs the soldiers were given fish! One can only add to this that in Germany at the same time almost a famine began.
              1. +1
                2 October 2018 17: 14
                In November 16, and this was due to the fact that the number of works decreased.
                1. -1
                  2 October 2018 19: 17
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  In November 16, and this was due to the fact that the number of works decreased.

                  What kind of work?
                  1. +1
                    2 October 2018 19: 50
                    Earthy, heavy.
            2. -1
              2 October 2018 17: 32
              Quote: Olgovich
              they only knew-to select and shoot.

              And they created a world power.
              1. +2
                2 October 2018 17: 35
                Which has gone somewhere
                1. 0
                  2 October 2018 18: 08
                  Well, the Bolsheviks themselves also disappeared who were not engaged in fundraising, but in the destruction of communism. ... And we knew that every factory sold was a nail in the lid of the tomb of communism.
                  1. +1
                    2 October 2018 18: 35
                    And where did you go so ideological?
                    1. -3
                      2 October 2018 19: 19
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      And where did you go so ideological?

                      They were all knocked out in the Second World War. IMHO. The political leaders remained behind.
                      1. +1
                        2 October 2018 19: 57
                        There were ideological Bolsheviks at the front?
                      2. +2
                        3 October 2018 06: 51
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        They were all knocked out in the Second World War. IMHO. The political leaders remained behind.

                        During the Second World War, many MILLIONS of people were accepted into the party. You them insult- is it not clear?
              2. 0
                3 October 2018 06: 48
                Quote: naidas
                And they created a world power.

                A world power with a fast-growing population was BEFORE them. And after only 70 years of their reign, only the remainder of it remained within the borders 17th century with an endangered population
            3. -1
              2 October 2018 21: 45
              Quote: Olgovich
              in Germany, during the war, almost MILLION died of hunger from hunger, and they quickly coped with the problem.
              in Russia, there wasn’t such a thing. and brought to hunger AFTER the World War!
              Reply

              So your bourgeois brethren brought Russia to hunger. At first, the tsarist government bleeding Russia with the German war, and therefore, the White with the interventionists for almost 4 years plundered and destroyed it. All the problems are from here.
              1. 0
                3 October 2018 06: 53
                Quote: Alexander Green
                So your bourgeois brethren brought Russia to hunger. At first, the tsarist government bleeding Russia with the German war, and therefore, the White with the interventionists for almost 4 years plundered and destroyed it. All the problems are from here.

                Before YOU, there was NO famine in Russia: Russia was the ONE of the warring countries in this regard. Wild Famine began in early 1918.

                chop these FACTS with a bundle on your nose!
                1. +1
                  3 October 2018 21: 01
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Before YOU, there was NO famine in Russia: Russia was the ONE of the warring countries in this regard. Wild Famine began in early 1918.

                  Amazing logic. Harvested in August-September, the Bolsheviks came to power in November. How could they arrange a famine in January 1918?
                  The shortage of food in Russia began during the tsar's reign, when food appropriation was introduced. In January 1917, the people took to the streets demanding "Bread!" The Provisional Government that came to power also resorted to food appropriation. In 1918, the city proletariat did not have enough bread due to the fact that the kulaks came out against the Soviet power.
                  And your brotherhood - haters of the working people - together with the interventionists robbed Russia.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  chop these FACTS with a bundle on your nose!

                  Great and mighty is your non-Russian language, you have to come up with this "hack the facts with a knot on the nose"
                  1. -1
                    4 October 2018 08: 28
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Amazing logic. Harvested in August-September, the Bolsheviks came to power in November. How could they arrange a famine in January 1918?

                    Illiterate ignoramuses-all the time surrounded by amazing, mysterious things for them. lol

                    Pupils of the 5th grade know that the grain-growing regions of Russia (Don, Ukraine, etc.) did NOT recognize the so-called power. SNK and therefore the central regions captured by the Bolsheviks remained cut off from food.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    People in January 1917 took to the streets demanding "Bread!"

                    Ignorant ....
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    The food shortage in Russia began under the tsar,

                    Hunger it was not in memory.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    In 1918, the city proletariat did not have enough bread due to the fact that fistopposed the Soviet government,

                    People opposed the robbers for their good. His, got it?
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Your non-Russian language is great and mighty, you have to think of it like that "hack facts in a knot on the nose "

                    Do not think, but just chop, chop and chop, you just need to KNOW the facts!
                    1. -1
                      4 October 2018 17: 27
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Illiterate ignoramuses-all the time surrounded by amazing, mysterious things for them.

                      That's for sure, one of your "hack the knot" is worth it. I am not commenting on the rest, I understand that it is useless to explain something to the patients of ward 6.
                2. +3
                  4 October 2018 12: 41
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Wild Famine began in early 1918.

                  But contemporaries say:
                  "Jan 31, 1917
                  They give us 1/4 of a pound of bread a day per card. If my grandchildren are surprised how we survived and where we got so much money from to still feed ourselves, let them learn a useful lesson from this: first of all, never, under any circumstances, do not despair and therefore it is especially painful not to be afraid of anything. But, perhaps, we will still die of hunger, but then there will be no grandchildren. "L.A. Avilova.
            4. +2
              7 October 2018 18: 14
              in Russia, there wasn’t such a thing. and brought to hunger AFTER the World War!
              And about the intervention of 14 states and the civil war, did you forget? That is, a civil war and a collapsed economy, during this, leads to wealth and prosperity, barns were bursting with bread, peasants fed pigs with black caviar, but then the Bolsheviks came and took away caviar and bread.
              1. -1
                7 October 2018 21: 41
                Guards began the Bolsheviks and the invaders they invited.
        2. +3
          2 October 2018 17: 13
          And now you try not to pay taxes, tolls, to resist the police and they will detain you, beat you, they can treat you with bird cherry and imprison them.
          There was no state - they did not pay taxes, but a state appeared - you can only pay it, which was done.
          Do not write nonsense about gases (they used nonsense three times: with fright at night when the rebels attacked, then three horses (alive) were found in the forest, then after the army returned from the Polish front, shells were thrown from planes (they warned of gas bombings population).
          Against the background of the use of gases on protesters in Europe is a nonsense.
          1. -2
            2 October 2018 17: 28
            Well, now, the lawfully elected government, and then Chikatil with the national leaders, all kinds of bandits.
            What should they pay?
        3. -1
          5 October 2018 19: 59
          Quote: Detective
          In general, this author is amazing! Extremely amazing. Those. The insurgent people in Tambov and not only the province are bandits ?! And the Bolsheviks actually just put things in order and fought against banditry? Wow!!! Gas, army, artillery and aviation eradicated banditry?!?!?! Regarding the geography of "such banditry", the author is clearly modest - uprisings against the Bolsheviks broke out throughout Russia. And with the number of rebels Samsonov looks like just a flirtatious young lady - in the Ishim district of Western Siberia alone, the number of rebels reached 60 fighters! Rebellions broke out in Tyumen, Chelyabinsk, Tobolsk, Yekaterinburg and other provinces! What actually led to this ?! And really bandits, as Samsonov calls it, were such a huge number of peasants?!?!?!
          On May 22, 1917, at the All-Russian Congress of Peasant Deputies, Lenin spoke about at least a million FAMILIES (!!!!!) of rich peasants. Prior to that, in April 1917, at the All-Russian meeting of Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, Lenin said that he did not know the statistics on peasants at all (however, he still passionately wished to make them happy). In August of the same year, Ilyich already spoke about 5 rich families peasants - "bloodsuckers" and about 000 families of middle peasants (not a bad admission of "poverty and wretchedness" of tsarist Russia from the mouth of the leader of the proletariat). And that's not all. On September 000, 3, in the Decree on imposing a tax in kind on agriculture, Lenin already speaks of 000% of the rich peasant farms !!!!!!! So? And then the means of production for the peasants using "kulist methods" not to give out !!! Read the materials of the 000th All-Russian Congress of Soviets! "A kulak is one who generally uses a kulak device, and a kulak device is used separately by every middle peasant"! Thus, the majority of the Russian peasantry became enemies of the new government and bandits according to Samsonov! And the surplus appropriation system entered the business, i.e. speaking in our Russian in gangster robbery! It's just that the Russian peasants believed in Lenin's Decree on Land, in which Lenin promised the peasants not only the land proper, but also the organization of life according to his peasant understanding, and neither the peasants could imagine that these sweet promises would turn into the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly in less than a year ! And less than 21 years after the Decree, the leader will say that - "... freedom of trade will inevitably lead to the White Guards and the victory of capital! And that ... free trade in grain is a state crime !!!!!!!!!!"
          According to official data from the Cheka, from July to November 1918, 108 uprisings broke out in Russia! For the whole of 1918, only in 20 provinces of central Russia there were 245 large anti-Soviet riots! Under what slogans? Building a new people's power! Soviets without Bolsheviks, etc. The number of participants in these uprisings exceeded the total number of soldiers and officers of the White Army! How the new government fought with its people and whether it considered the Russian people its own is a separate issue! I will only say that according to Samsonov, it turns out that the Bolsheviks, mainly Jews, Latvians, Estonians, Hungarians, Chinese and other internationalists, who wrote a communist in the nationality column, fought for the Russian statehood entirely ... Or we will soon Let's hear from Samsonov not only an expression like "Bolsheviks are Russian communists" but also "Jews are farmers ?!" Not the order I will tell you to publish such articles on such a readable resource!

          hi I fully support! It would be desirable for this "parasitic author", who clearly does not fully understand the topic he touched upon, it would be desirable to better study the facts of those difficult events and stop indiscriminately defaming millions of our most hardworking compatriots, who were destroyed by the hypocritical Bolsheviks and their henchmen in order to strengthen their power!
          It is necessary to search and popularize the historical events consolidating the post-Soviet society, and not to pick old human wounds and spit on our dead, which persistently dealt to me, now dear to me, Samsonov negative !
          Is it time to give the bones of all the dead peace ?!
        4. +2
          7 October 2018 18: 06
          Those. rebellious people in the Tambov and not only provinces are bandits ?!
          Any people, regardless of their Wishlist, disobeying the law, are bandits, the law is harsh, but it is the law.
          1. 0
            7 October 2018 21: 42
            Russian people rebelled against international occupation.
      2. -3
        2 October 2018 11: 05
        Medal “For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.” was awarded:

        military personnel and members of the full-time civilian staff of the Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops who have served for at least three months (for military personnel) and at least six months (for civilian service) in the administration of military districts, local military command bodies, in spare and training units of all kinds troops, in military schools and courses, in special units and services, military security intelligence agencies, commandant's offices, military depots, bases, hospitals, veterinary hospitals, as part of local infantry units, military representative apparatuses, at military factories, as well as in the central directorates of the NPO, NKVMF and NKVD troops, which ensured the victory with their successful work: mobilization, training and recruiting for the front to train command personnel for the Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops; uninterrupted supply and supply of all types of weapons, ammunition, means of transport and communications, equipment, uniforms and allowances of the frontm; on the organization of air defense; for the protection and escort of prisoners of war; to ensure operational communications with the fronts; for the protection of military installations, military property, especially important industrial enterprises, withconstruction of defense facilities and order in the rear areas; on the supply and nutrition of troops en route; on the treatment and care of sick and wounded soldiers and commanders of the Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops;
        the personnel of the NKVD bodies, who ensured victory with their work;
        military personnel and civilian personnel who served during the Great Patriotic War in the ranks of the active Red Army, Navy and NKVD troops, but who retired due to injury, illness or injury, as well as transferred by decision of state and party organizations to other work outside the army;
        workers of the rear evacuation hospitals of the Red Army and Navy, transferred to the jurisdiction of the People's Commissariat of Health of the USSR and considered to be mobilized for servicing evacuation hospitals;
        workers, employees, collective farmers and other members of the civilian population who took an active part in the struggle against the Nazi invaders as part of partisan detachments operating behind enemy lines.
        These are the things, Nikolai your bravura propaganda does not agree with realities.
        Because they received the medal, those who were mobilized into industry.
    3. +1
      2 October 2018 19: 40
      Quote: tasha
      Each article by Samsonov will now end like this ?!

      For 70 years in the USSR it was customary to cry for the poor, unhappy, oppressed peasants.
      Now they suddenly turned into a threat to the existence of Russia.
      Funny.
    4. -1
      9 October 2018 18: 02
      An article, as a provocation and a seed, may be, but as a statement, it is a clear clinic without cure. . A comment on that whole, for from beginning to end - a complete profanation of history ....
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  2. +4
    2 October 2018 06: 30
    Well, about Makhno’s banditry - that’s another question. And they didn’t defeat him with military force, the correction of land reform destroyed the Makhnovism, well, the NEP also played its own — now the peasants could sell their goods — and, accordingly, the mobility potential of the Old Man’s army Makhno ran out. That is, in fact, Makhno, by his very existence, achieved reforms in the initially urban revolution, which, taking place in an AGRICULTURAL country, wanted to be a peasant.
    That is, Makhno did for the revolution no more than Lenin and Trotsky - because of him the peasants turned to the Soviets, or rather, he made the Soviets turn to the peasants, because otherwise they lost all of Ukraine, they were stupidly not to defeat Makhno condition - only to destroy all the villagers who were ready mobreserve army.
    Do you understand what would happen if the revolution were won in a purely form a country for the workers? There are workers in the country - TFA, peasant it, and for the peasants does nothing - just later there would be another round. And the workers would have dared. If not for these reforms. Thanks EXACTLY Makhno
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 09: 27
      I agree about Makhno, the author somehow paid him very little attention. And it was hard to call his supporters gangs - there, up to one hundred thousand, the total number reached, with guns and armored trains
  3. -3
    2 October 2018 06: 46
    So officially the Civil War ended in 1920 year and peaceful socialist construction began, and the war, in fact, was still ongoing.

    The author already rejects Soviet textbooks, which proclaimed the end of the war in 1922 (which was actually the case in the Far East and the war against the people (peasants) in the rest of Russia)
    At this time, the peasant war posed a real threat to the state.

    Not the state, but the authorities. And the state of Russia the peasants for a thousand years created and created is historical fact
    But statements like
    Russia was on the verge of complete collapse and collapse of the civilization project. The fate of the great Indian tribes and civilizations of America awaited the Russians - alcohol and tobacco genocide, economic genocide, the role of servants and native exoticism, apathy and decay, quick fading
    is mere speculation contrary to this historical fact

    Death to the bandits! Oh, you bastards, we are building a farm, and you interfere
    Nice, very symbolic poster: people in the form of a peasant in bast shoes-chopping heads to people in official military uniforms and boots
    high command reported Revolutionary Military Council republic on the state of the fight against banditry. Among the most dangerous rebel groups operating on the territory of the country, the following were indicated: Antonov’s gang in the Tambov province;

    The Revolutionary Military Council had surnames not bashfully mentioned:
    Chairman Trotsky (later recognized as an agent of Germany, an agent of the Gestapo, USA, England, a gangster),
    Members: A - Ovseenko, Smilga, Uborevich, Yakir and others and others - also later recognized in the majority by the "gang gangsters"(Prosecutor Vyshinsky) and spies.
    So who, it turns out, fought against "banditry" (ie, the peasantry, as the author convincingly proved)?
    Thus, many of the “innocent victims” of the Stalinist regime were in fact bandits, murderers, robbers, or political bandits, that is, criminals who covered up their dirty affairs with “politics”, “high ideas”

    So judging by the decisions Supreme Court of the USSR from 1930 onwards, many leading fighters against banditry (Trotsky, Vatsetis and other uborevichi with ovsyenki) -legally were recognized
    bandits, killers. political bandits, that is, criminals who covered up their dirty affairs with “politics”, “high ideas”
    -cm. Sentences of the USSR Armed Forces.
    1. -2
      2 October 2018 07: 47
      Quote: Olgovich
      Not the state, but the authorities.

      You can not oppose the officials who personify the power of the state and are part of the people - the rest of the people of this state.

      We all went out of the people,
      Children of the family of labor.
      “Fraternal union and freedom”
      Here is our fighting motto!

      They held us in chains for a long time
      Long hunger tormented us,
      The dark days are gone
      The hour of redemption has struck!
      1. -6
        2 October 2018 07: 53
        You can, as much as possible. The whole history of the Russian state is the flight of people from power!
        1. +3
          2 October 2018 08: 01
          Quote: kalibr
          You can, as much as possible.

          If the people did not support the revolution and their leaders, who later became the leaders of the state - power, could it happen? Hardly. The people themselves are the smith of their own happiness and not happiness.
          "Until the idea takes hold of the masses, it is dead."
          "Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come."
          1. +1
            2 October 2018 11: 44
            Quote: Boris55
            If the people did not support the revolution and their leaders, who later became the leaders of the state - power, could it happen?

            But weren’t the people the millions of people who opposed this power ?! Including in those peasant and not only uprisings which are now in question! And notice the simple Russian people, peasants often poorly armed opposed artillery and aviation, the regular military units of the Bolsheviks! Wasn’t the people a multimillion-strong immigration that simply turned into a Russian exodus ?!
            1. +2
              2 October 2018 12: 25
              No need to talk about the multimillion-dollar army of peasants who fought against the Bolsheviks. If this were so, no Bolsheviks would have won, which, incidentally, were very mediocre armed. Such a mass would dare the Bolsheviks. And there were no millions of emigrants. And then, if a person hates power, it is better for him to leave, so those who did not want to cooperate with the Soviet government left, and many remained, and some returned later. And among the emigrants, the audience was very motley. Many later indulged Hitler. Do you need to regret them too? No, we don’t need such a people.
              1. -5
                2 October 2018 12: 40
                They drowned in blood. This is called genocide.
              2. -4
                2 October 2018 16: 34
                60% of the repressed in 37 - peasants!
                1. 0
                  2 October 2018 16: 53
                  Add to them the Cossacks and other rural residents and the picture will become even brighter.
                2. -1
                  2 October 2018 18: 55
                  99,9% of the repressed during the suppression of peasant uprisings in tsarist Russia from Bolotnikov to Pugachev and beyond are also peasants or former peasants. Tsars poured blood on Russia! am
                  Everything was taken away from the Russian peasant as a slave, in order to feed the parasitic
                3. 0
                  2 October 2018 18: 58
                  Over 99,99% of the repressed during the suppression of peasant uprisings in Tsarist Russia, from Razin to Pugachev, are also peasants. Or former peasants hi
                  Tsars flooded the country with Russian blood am
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2018 19: 32
                    Read "The history of the Pugachev revolt", the driving force of the schismatics and nationalities, they were hit in the first place. The Pugachevites killed a lot of peasants too. Stabbing Russia in the back.
            2. Alf
              0
              2 October 2018 18: 06
              Quote: Detective
              Wasn’t the people a multimillion-strong immigration that simply turned into a Russian exodus ?!
              Reply

              Give figures, how many people emigrated, and how many remain.
              1. 0
                2 October 2018 18: 34
                Killed 12-14 million, 2-3 million emigrated.
                Although it was not easy to do.
                1. Alf
                  0
                  2 October 2018 19: 28
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Killed 12-14 million, 2-3 million emigrated.
                  Although it was not easy to do.

                  REMAINING how much?
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2018 19: 59
                    Some left.
        2. Alf
          0
          2 October 2018 18: 05
          Quote: kalibr
          You can, as much as possible. The whole history of the Russian state is the flight of people from power!

          Mr. Shpakovsky! In your words, the Soviet government constantly offended you, so why are you still in Russia? It is unlikely that you were such a valuable shot that you would have been declared restricted to travel abroad.
        3. 0
          2 October 2018 19: 23
          Quote: kalibr
          The whole history of the Russian state is the flight of people from power!

          This does not apply to you.
      2. -2
        2 October 2018 10: 56
        Quote: Boris55
        You can not oppose the officials who personify the power of the state and are part of the people - the rest of the people of this state.

        Nobody chose this power anywhere and didn’t entrust anything to it.
        1. +1
          2 October 2018 12: 27
          Nobody chose an absolute monarchy in Russia either.
          1. -5
            2 October 2018 12: 40
            The Zemsky Sobor of 1613 chose the Romanov dynasty.
            1. +4
              2 October 2018 13: 41
              How many were there? And under what conditions was the dynasty chosen? This story about the cathedral was pretty mythologized under the Romanovs. Not all invited were present at the Cathedral because they did not have time to get there. And the Romanovs were chosen. to evade responsibility for the crimes of the Time of Troubles. So in the election of the Romanovs, everything is sewn with white thread. For the Bolsheviks, for Soviet power, the people fought, here the arguments are iron.
              1. -4
                2 October 2018 13: 52
                All groups of the population, except slaves and bonded people, who then made up a small part of the population.
                Quote: Rastas
                For the Bolsheviks, for Soviet power, the people fought, here the arguments are iron.

                Jewish-yes, Latvian-yes, Chinese and Magyar-yes, in the Caucasus almost all the Ingush and Chechens are red, against the White Terek Cossacks.
                When you speak people, do not generalize.
                Some peoples fought, the above, and some peoples and groups and estates resisted.
                1. +2
                  2 October 2018 17: 27
                  That is, the Russians, in your opinion, is such a stupid people who were defeated by a handful of Latvians, Chinese and Hungarians?
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2018 18: 32
                    Yes, a handful, in the Republic of Ingushetia there were only 7 million Jews. And every international trash with weapons in the schools was hundreds of thousands.
                    But the Russian people were bewildered, they did not have the mass of their experience to withstand such a brazen mixture of lies and cruelty.
                    The same Urals of the old faith were accustomed to confrontation with the authorities, so there only 3% went for the Reds.
              2. -2
                2 October 2018 14: 39
                Quote: Rastas
                For the Bolsheviks, for Soviet power, the people fought, here the arguments are iron.

                The people have spoken at the ELECTIONS, and less than 5% of the people have taken part in the GV
            2. +1
              2 October 2018 17: 38
              And the palace coups, imprisonment, and deprivation of the goals of the applicants are also the Zemsky Sobor 1613. approved of?
              1. -1
                2 October 2018 18: 36
                He chose a new dynasty that successfully ruled Russia for 300 years.
        2. 0
          2 October 2018 19: 01
          Nobody chose the king of the priest either lol
      3. 0
        2 October 2018 14: 49
        Trotsky, Antonov-Ovseenko, Smilga, Uborevich, Yakir - these are just not my people, Boris55.
        Maybe it's your people, but it’s like that.
        1. -3
          5 October 2018 16: 56
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          any

          In assessing these, if I may say so, "Russians" (I wonder why they took Russian surnames as a pseudonym?), I agree. It would be easier to breathe without them
  4. +1
    2 October 2018 07: 47
    The problem with this author is that he ignores very important sources of information, namely dissertations defended on topics of his choice. That is, it is limited to the information base that "lies on the surface." Therefore, the lightness of the presentation has to be compensated for by the "originality of ideas!. Meanwhile, you can type the word" dissertation "and the topic and get several topics to choose from. You can add the word" covers "or even" pictures "and get dozens of copies of covers and topics - I don't want to choose. Downloading the entire dissertation in its entirety ... yes, it's expensive, 500 rubles. But on the other hand, there is more than one article in it. It will pay off! But there will be more scientific knowledge and you can show off real references. The word "raise the level." Here, for example, a dissertation on my Penza: The fight against crime and the protection of public order as the main directions of the activity of the police of the Penza region in the post-war years: 1945-1953
    topic of dissertation and abstract on VAK 07.00.02, candidate of historical sciences Zimin, Dmitry Viktorovich
    INTRODUCTION
    Section I. POLITICAL AND SOCIALLY ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OF THE FIGHT AGAINST CRIME IN THE PENZA REGION IN 1945-1953
    1.1. State policy to combat crime in the postwar period. The criminal situation in the Penza region in the postwar years.
    1.2. The structure of post-war crime in the Penza region.
    1.3. Organizational structure and staff of the Penza militia in 1945 - 1953
    Section II. DIRECTIONS OF ACTIVITY OF THE PENZA POLICE IN 1945-1953
    11.1. The fight of the Penza police with banditry and criminal crime in the Penza region in 1945-1953.
    N.2.0preservation of public order in the Penza region in 19451953
    I do not like Penza - it is full of other regions and topics!
  5. -1
    2 October 2018 07: 51
    And here is another work and what an interesting ...
    Legal Regulation of the Fight against Banditry in the Soviet State 1917-1958
    topic of dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission 12.00.01, candidate of legal sciences Taimasov, Rashid Niazovich
    Year: 2011
    Taymasov, Rashid Niazovich
    INTRODUCTION.
    Chapter 1. HISTORY OF THE CRIMINAL LEGAL FIGHT AGAINST BANDITISM IN THE SOVIET STATE 1917-1958
    § 1. Legal regulation of the fight against banditry in the pre-codification period of the development of Soviet criminal law.
    § 2. Qualification of banditry under the criminal law of the 1920's
    § 3. Features of criminal liability for banditry under the legislation of the Soviet state * 1930's - 1950's.
    § 4. The specifics of the fight against banditry in prisons in the 1930-1950-s.
    Chapter 2. LEGAL DESIGN OF BANDITISM AND PROBLEMS OF ITS QUALIFICATION IN THE THEORY OF SOVIET CRIMINAL LAW AND JUDICIAL PRACTICE.
    § 1. The concept of banditry and signs of its objective side
    § 2. The subjective side of banditry. The specifics of determining the liability of partners in banditry
    Chapter 3: DISCUSSION ISSUES OF THE LEGAL NATURE OF BANDITISM OF THE SOVIET THEORY OF CRIMINAL LAW.
    § 1. The dilemma of a restrictive and broad interpretation of a gang (demarcation of a gang and a gang).
    § 2. Banditry and related offenses.
    By the way, the abstract is downloaded for FREE.
  6. +4
    2 October 2018 08: 37
    Today in the "History" section there is an article about Yegor Bashkatov - "A Potion for Repose".
    The revolution freed the gambler and deserter. In gratitude, Yegor Ivanovich joined the Red Army and ended up in the food detachment. Bashkatov suddenly got everything that he dreamed of - power and impunity. Hiding behind revolutionary slogans and Bolshevik ideals, he knocked out of the unfortunate peasants those modest food supplies that they possessed. There is a version that Bashkatov unfolded so much that his actions more closely resembled targeted terror. It is easy to guess that for any attempt at resistance, the “great and mighty” Bashkatov instantly brutally punished.

    After such a Bashkatov’s visit to the village with a mandate from the current government, you’ll involuntarily take up a rifle .. Then, after about fifteen years, you will be put into bandits and rapists. Like this.
  7. +5
    2 October 2018 08: 47
    Where does such hatred towards the peasants come from? Did rural youth beat you in your youth? Two world and civilians could not destroy the Russian peasants (namely, they accounted for the majority of those who died, because they gave the reservation at the factories), and the power of the soviets managed ... Now almost the entire population is urban residents ... Rejoice.
    1. +3
      2 October 2018 10: 02
      Quote: hrulevv
      Now almost the entire population is urban residents ...

      Addition: in all developed countries, almost the entire population is urban residents. And in the USA, and in the UK, and in Germany, and in France. The invisible hand of Bolshevism destroyed the peasantry of the developed countries of the West. In business!
      It is strange that no one is moaning through extinct caves of ancient people, shamelessly driven into the villages from their cozy stone caches, by the cruel feudal regime of the Middle Ages. After all, so many cozy caves were ruined, villains. Where the fires burned, fried mammoths, barefoot children ran now damp, desolation and bats. Horror, horror!
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 11: 01
        Quote: Alex_59
        Addition: in all developed countries, almost the entire population is urban residents. And in the USA, and in the UK, and in Germany, and in France.

        Addition: In the USA, and in the UK, and in Germany, and in France there are NO abandoned million gand arable land, grasslands, meadows, tens of thousands extinct villages, sparsely populated Siberia and population density 8,5 hl: there she (in Europe) is TWENTY-FIVE-thirty times higher.
        And so yes, "it looks like ..... No.
        1. 0
          2 October 2018 11: 09
          Quote: Olgovich
          and in France there are NO abandoned millions of hectares of arable land, grasslands, meadows,

          Are you starving? I don’t, and I don’t see such people around. The sown area in the Volga region and on the Don will not be enough - they will take up abandoned hectares.
          Quote: Olgovich
          tens of thousands of extinct villages

          Yes, do not care about these villages that you clung to them?

          Quote: Olgovich
          sparsely populated Siberia

          Duck go to Siberia, increase population density. In the village, cultivate abandoned meadows, grasslands and arable land. Forward!
          1. +2
            2 October 2018 11: 49
            Alexei, well, the article is about peasants anyway ... So? If you do not care so why then in general, something to comment on?
            1. +1
              2 October 2018 12: 19
              Quote: Detective
              If you do not care so why then in general, something to comment on?

              Comment on the fact that upside down everything is put here by some. In the villages - yes do not care. On people - no. The exodus from the village to the cities is an inevitable and always painful process. Nobody argues with this. But if our country wanted to remain in the lead, we would have to move to cities anyway.
              1. -2
                2 October 2018 12: 29
                It's one thing to blame the cities from "collective farm slavery", and it's another to throw YOUR economy.
                So Russia would live, one foot in the city, the other in her own country, in the village.
                Non-black soil is beef, milk, potatoes, flax, all kinds of root crops, and a lot of things.
                Would sell abroad, but not bought.
                1. +1
                  2 October 2018 13: 47
                  All root crops ......)))))
                  1. +1
                    2 October 2018 13: 57
                    Turnip and carrots grow there better than in the Volga region and on the Don, as well as potatoes.
                    In Poland, no need to purchase.
                    1. 0
                      2 October 2018 14: 47
                      What region do you live in? and from Poland, if something is from vegetables and fruits, then this is "double bass"
                2. +4
                  2 October 2018 14: 23
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Non-black soil is beef, milk, potatoes, flax, all kinds of root crops, and a lot of things.

                  All this is in abundance. If desired, I can send pictures of the counters from the stores. ))) Everything is local. And there are many abandoned villages. And the fields are not processed. By the way, they were abandoned mainly after the 1991 year, and not before.
                  Here are apples and fruits - yes, import. We don’t grow bananas ...
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Would sell abroad, but not bought.
                  Drive to Novorossiysk. Look at the dust above the grain terminal. Loading day and night goes.
              2. 0
                3 October 2018 08: 04
                Quote: Alex_59
                The exodus from the village to the cities is an inevitable and always painful process.

                in other countries is not the outcome. and the transformation of the rural population into urban by turning villages into cities through enlargement, merging, etc.
                In the USSR, by forced flight from the second serfdom.
                There was always CATASTROPHIC shortage of hand in agricultural - all areas of the Non-Black Earth region always complained about it.
                Quote: Alex_59
                But if our country wanted to remain in the lead, we would have to move to cities anyway.

                Not some bunch of ignoramuses. not authorized by anyone, decide WHAT and HOW to do this. other countries developed without them and are much more successful; they still live.
          2. -1
            2 October 2018 12: 52
            Quote: Alex_59
            Are you starving? I don’t, and I don’t see such people around.

            And they are: billions of hungry people, without food, land and water. WHY will you restrain them on the way to this in Russia? The atom? Or yourself (your children) will become them? Look at the Russian world, they will go to the museum ....
            Quote: Alex_59
            Yes, do not care about these villages that you clung to them?

            They drew themselves up to maternal capital, and still do not give birth: there is no village! What's next?
            Quote: Alex_59
            Duck go to Siberia, increase population density. In the village, cultivate abandoned meadows, grasslands and arable land. Forward!

            Russia is not only Siberia. But Novorossia as well. And then scattered Russian lands and people ....
            1. +2
              2 October 2018 13: 20
              Quote: Olgovich
              And they are: billions of hungry people, without food, land and water.

              While I see that they are breaking into Europe, not us. Moreover, the high population density of the local population does not bother them at all. I think that if in Russia today there were not 140, but 540 million people, this (if it was necessary to seize new spaces from some savages) would not stop at all. This is a question of the strength of power, protection of borders and a tough migration policy. Many Russian people are good. But I still cannot agree with the thesis “the Bolsheviks destroyed the Russian village”. This happened under any government, it was inevitable. Under the Bolsheviks, this process was more severe than it could have been with normal progressive development, but here, unfortunately, there is no choice, because during the RI, the urbanization process lagged far behind the Western countries, as a result of which they had to carry out this process too abruptly and painfully. If under the tsarist government they paid more attention to reforms, kept up with the times and crushed all these revolutionaries without snot, there would be no Bolsheviks.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russia is not only Siberia. But Novorossia as well.
              Legally, Novorossia today is not the Russian Federation. And you have not answered the question, why are not you going to raise the non-black soil? Is it warmer and more comfortable in Moldova? Is it more convenient in a city apartment?
              1. -1
                2 October 2018 13: 29
                Thanks to the communists. Come on, give a pearl to the mountain about the inevitability of the transfer of Russian lands to bloody flaw.
                1. 0
                  2 October 2018 14: 04
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Come on, give a pearl to the mountain about the inevitability of the transfer of Russian lands to bloody flaw.

                  I won’t betray, because this was the answer to a specific comrade from Moldova, who very much likes in some cases to press on legal subtleties, and in other cases for some reason ignores them. When it comes to the Bolsheviks, he didn’t choose them and they are not legitimate, i.e. not legally legal authority. And when about Novorossia, it turns out to be Russia, and it doesn’t care that it is not legally part of the Russian Federation. Turns concepts as he wants.
                  My personal opinion is, of course, Novorossia is Russian land. I was there before the Maidan, I know people very well. In general, in my opinion, all of Ukraine, except maybe Lviv, is pure water Russia and is inhabited by Russians who, by mistake, decided that they were of a different nationality.
                  Again, purely legal - all the countries of the former USSR and their authorities are outside the law, because there was a referendum on preserving the USSR, where the people unambiguously and legally expressed their will to save the USSR as a single state. This referendum and the will of the peoples of the USSR was brazenly ignored by the authorities. And what do we do now?
              2. +1
                2 October 2018 13: 50
                "And you still haven't answered the question, why don't you go to raise the non-black earth? Is it warmer and more comfortable in Moldova?"
                "Homeland is where the ass is warm" is a classic example, a kind of Moldovan example of Vasisuali Lokhankin.
              3. 0
                2 October 2018 14: 56
                Quote: Alex_59
                This is a question of the power of power, the protection of borders and strict migration policies.

                No forces and authorities will stop them: the empty is filled from the crowded, and Russia by world standards, the population density is almost EMPTY. Earth population density 55 people / km2 (including deserts, Antarctica, Greenland, etc.), in Russia, 8.5 people / km2.
                Quote: Alex_59
                But I still cannot agree with the thesis “the Bolsheviks destroyed the Russian village”. This happened under any government, it was inevitable.

                For the hundredth time: present tens of thousands of deceased villages in Germany.
                Quote: Alex_59
                Legally, Novorossia today is not the Russian Federation. And you have not answered the question, why are not you going to raise the non-black soil? Is it warmer and more comfortable in Moldova? Is it more convenient in a city apartment?

                I do not care about the "borders" cut by your leaders. New Russia (and Bessarabia is part of it) is Russia. And the Nazis are mortally afraid of this, although there are only 4% of Russians left.
                Divide into 10 parts for the settlement of the Non-Black Earth Region, Far East, Siberia, etc. -for this, contact your magicians-rulers, they all "were able". Wh and bring the world's most growing people to the Cross.
                1. +2
                  2 October 2018 15: 17
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  No forces and authorities can stop them

                  Come on? I’ve got a friend from Odessa trying to relocate to the Russian Federation, he’s been mumbled for a year now, and they’ve even deported him back. And although he is Ukrainian, he is ours. Not otherwise the Bolsheviks are again to blame. )))
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  empty is filled from overflowing

                  The level of thinking is a crowded city bus. If the Russians are stuffed into Russia like a sprat in a barrel, then even one little Chinese will not fit. Well, okay. ))))
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  For the hundredth time: present tens of thousands of deceased villages in Germany.
                  I won’t. And in Russia there are no tens of thousands of deceased villages. There are settled.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2018 08: 18
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Come on?

                    C'mon: look at the Far East.
                    About Odessa is ridiculous: how many Central Asians during this time became citizens of Russia? and you won’t stop them: SOMEone will work at a construction site, transport, in the housing office, etc.

                    There is a law that with a large difference in population density, the more empty side is inevitably populated by neighbors.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    The level of thinking is a crowded city bus. If the Russians are stuffed into Russia like a sprat in a barrel, then even one little Chinese will not fit. Well, okay. ))))

                    Bus thinking is your choice. See above.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    I won’t. And in Russia there are no tens of thousands of deceased villages. There are settled.

                    You won’t, because you can’t, because in GRMANIA they are NOT.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    And in Russia there are no tens of thousands of dead villages

                    do not lie. There are DEAD villages, only in 1985 there were 60 of them in the Non-Chernozem region only
              4. 0
                2 October 2018 17: 51
                I somehow read an article on the internet that if White won, they would have had to create something like collective farms, the creation of agricultural holdings at the monasteries was not ruled out.
                1. -1
                  2 October 2018 18: 22
                  That it was all, large-scale farms of the landowners, monastic, specific, private.
                  If White had won them, they would have been restored in a year or two, returned the loot and worked out by hard work after repentance.
        2. 0
          2 October 2018 17: 47
          Quote: Olgovich
          NO abandoned

          yes there they went on throwing cities: a complex in Belitz-Heilstetten 60 buildings, Craco - an abandoned city in southern Italy, Chateau Miranda Castle near the current French border, Canfranc - a small Spanish city near the French border, Imber, Wiltshire, Great Britain, Pyramiden, Svalbard, Norway and the USA are the capital of automotive industry.
          1. -1
            2 October 2018 19: 15
            Abandoned individual cities this does not mean anything, they were in the Russian Empire.
            Every Merv there Obdorsk, Zvenigorod Bryansk.
          2. 0
            3 October 2018 08: 20
            Quote: naidas
            Quote: Olgovich
            NO abandoned

            yes there they went on throwing cities: a complex in Belitz-Heilstetten 60 buildings, Craco - an abandoned city in southern Italy, Chateau Miranda Castle near the current French border, Canfranc - a small Spanish city near the French border, Imber, Wiltshire, Great Britain, Pyramiden, Svalbard, Norway and the USA are the capital of automotive industry.

            And is that all they dug up? Against the background of tens of THOUSAND deceased Russian villages?
            not funny yourself?
            1. -1
              3 October 2018 18: 31
              Olgovich, at least look out of the window, villages are dying all over the civilized world not only in Russia - here is another example of the mass exodus of people from the villages of Spain - in Galicia every week the number of extinct settlements increases by one village, and now there are 3562 of them.
              1. 0
                4 October 2018 08: 50
                Quote: naidas
                in Galicia, the number of extinct settlements is growing every week in one village, and now there are 3562 of them.

                The Spaniards are Dying Out. And when it grew, this was not.

                In only the Black Earth to 1985 g 60 thousand villages died when the population was still growing.
                Catch the difference?
                Moreover, the population density in Spain is TWELVE times higher.
                Those. in Russia, the number of villages had to GROW in order to populate the terriotria and for the population to grow.

                And if there were no "smart guys" who took over everything (including birth management), then it would be so.
  8. +3
    2 October 2018 09: 08
    direct quotes from "Siberian Vendée" by the very odious (and blood-stained) writer G. Losyev
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 10: 58
      The peasants, with their project of national liberties, could really take power into their own hands and change the course of Russian history.
      The problem was that the Russian civilization and the Russian people in this case lost and disappeared from the historical arena.

      Even Hitler did not allow himself to speak of such a thing about the Russian people and its basis of the peasantry. Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is evident.
      What Samsonov, laurels of Boris Stomakhin haunt?
  9. +3
    2 October 2018 11: 46
    Quote: kalibr
    And here is another work and what an interesting ...
    Legal Regulation of the Fight against Banditry in the Soviet State 1917-1958
    topic of dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission 12.00.01, candidate of legal sciences Taimasov, Rashid Niazovich
    Year: 2011
    Taymasov, Rashid Niazovich
    INTRODUCTION.
    Chapter 1. HISTORY OF THE CRIMINAL LEGAL FIGHT AGAINST BANDITISM IN THE SOVIET STATE 1917-1958
    § 1. Legal regulation of the fight against banditry in the pre-codification period of the development of Soviet criminal law.
    § 2. Qualification of banditry under the criminal law of the 1920's
    § 3. Features of criminal liability for banditry under the legislation of the Soviet state * 1930's - 1950's.
    § 4. The specifics of the fight against banditry in prisons in the 1930-1950-s.
    Chapter 2. LEGAL DESIGN OF BANDITISM AND PROBLEMS OF ITS QUALIFICATION IN THE THEORY OF SOVIET CRIMINAL LAW AND JUDICIAL PRACTICE.
    § 1. The concept of banditry and signs of its objective side
    § 2. The subjective side of banditry. The specifics of determining the liability of partners in banditry
    Chapter 3: DISCUSSION ISSUES OF THE LEGAL NATURE OF BANDITISM OF THE SOVIET THEORY OF CRIMINAL LAW.
    § 1. The dilemma of a restrictive and broad interpretation of a gang (demarcation of a gang and a gang).
    § 2. Banditry and related offenses.
    By the way, the abstract is downloaded for FREE.

    Of course it’s interesting, but it depends on what banditry is called ?! Especially in terms of related crimes!
    1. Alf
      -1
      2 October 2018 18: 15
      Quote: Detective
      Of course it’s interesting, but it depends on what banditry is called ?! Especially in terms of related crimes!

      And most importantly, FREE! Benefactor, one word ...
  10. +2
    2 October 2018 12: 56
    The author decided to write a story using criminal law, the competence of which is banditry - the organization of armed gangs with the aim of attacking enterprises, institutions, organizations or individuals.
    But after all, the purpose of the article, as I understand it, was not to consider criminal acts such as the anarchist Sakharov or the sailor Shkil, but to consider the peasant front of the civil war in the Volga region, the Kama region, Central Russia, in Ukraine, this truly tragic page in history, the history of the armed struggle of peasants against the state politics, not banditry. The peasants did not create "armed bands to attack enterprises, institutions, organizations or individuals." Three quarters of the country's population were in conflict with the policy of the leadership of this country towards them!
    A normal historian would try to illuminate this problem, because three quarters of the country's population cannot be bandits. Probably, there were some historical prerequisites for such a conflict, and not "civilizational projects". It is difficult to call a "civilization project" that does not take into account the interests of 75% of the country's population. Obviously, the point is something else.
    Maybe it's time to send this author to junk? Is there really no way to attract authors with a "king in their head"? After all, these articles and schoolchildren can read.
    1. 0
      2 October 2018 13: 43
      Three quarters - you are bent. Such a rebellious force will sweep away any power. You really do not lie, otherwise I’ll just say that 3/4 of the peasantry participated in the Pugachev uprising.
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 13: 49
        Pugachevschina was a serious uprising, but local.
        And here we are talking about a vast country and nowhere, in no city in any village did it pass without blood and violence the new government.
        A tenth of the population died, several million fled the country.
      2. +2
        2 October 2018 13: 58
        Before you write, learn to read. Where do I write that 75% of the population directly participated in peasant uprisings? This means that in 1914, 85% of the population of the Russian Empire was rural. The Russian Empire was a deeply agrarian country. That is the drama of the situation.
        Have you got the point?
      3. -1
        5 October 2018 21: 02
        Quote: Rastas
        Three quarters - you are bent. Such a rebellious force will sweep away any power. You don’t make a fuss, otherwise I’ll just say that 3/4 of the peasantry participated in the Pugachev uprising.

        The trouble, the guarantee of defeat, of all the peasant uprisings was not only in their weak armament, but in the fact that the rebellious peasants did not tear themselves away from their farms and usually kept the local defense of their villages, interacted poorly with each other and maneuvered insufficiently (maneuverable actions of the peasant army Nestora Makhno or the consolidated Cold Yar in Ukraine is one of those exceptions that only confirm the general rule request ), therefore, even relatively small, but significantly superior in armament, the Bolshevik troops were easy to block, surround and destroy them separately, not at all disdaining the use, "in areas", of ground attack aircraft and artillery, even chemical warfare agents, against everyone, including old and young, residents of surrounded villages and, usually occupying, methods of shooting hostages, the suppression of the popular Tambov uprising is a vivid example of this! request
  11. +6
    2 October 2018 14: 25
    Of all the read comments, it was hooked that most of all the commentators yelling about the death of the village did not live in the village, but went to their grandmother as a child. Norm, the village lived under the USSR and now whoever wants to live lives and works, and not smears the snot on the monitor for days.
    1. -4
      2 October 2018 14: 33
      Quote: Alex_59
      it is pure water Russia and is inhabited by Russians who, by mistake, decided that they were of a different nationality.

      They did not grow anything. Georgians and Jews in the Kremlin decided for them.
      It will be more accurate.
      Because the Russians lost the war for their country.
      1. +2
        2 October 2018 17: 30
        Alexander Zinoviev: "The 1917 revolution saved Russia from destruction, continued its history as a great power, preserving and multiplying its best achievements. To consider the Soviet period of Russian history a black failure is a monstrous lie. The black failure actually came only now. Now (in 1990 -x years) in Russia there really was a complete generation gap - political, civil, ideological, cultural, moral, psychological. "
  12. -2
    2 October 2018 14: 40
    Quote: Alex_59
    All this is in abundance. If desired, I can send pictures of the counters from the stores. ))) Everything is local.

    In 2013, the total import volumes of chilled, frozen beef and offal into the Russian Federation amounted to 831,8 thousand tons. We still buy beef, and this with a total reduction in its consumption.
    From Novorossiysk just returned.
    Well, without the Communists they started selling bread, but if the village were alive, they would have sold several times more.
    1. -1
      2 October 2018 14: 52
      Under the communists, the first two years of raising the virgin lands were sold, then they began to buy (grain). Beef, alas ... we don’t get our own meat breeds, it’s purchased, and in production it’s much more expensive than pork, you have to work and work with beef and you need pronounced protectionist steps ... and this year the beef is again becoming more impressive .... alas ..
    2. +2
      2 October 2018 15: 09
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      In 2013, the total import volumes of chilled, frozen beef and offal into the Russian Federation amounted to 831,8 thousand tons. We still buy beef, and this with a total reduction in its consumption.

      This is a business and nothing more. Now there is no obstacle to squeezing imports from the shelves. Buy ours - and all business. I personally take only local. Well, of course, there are also questions to the government, there should be protectionism for its manufacturer. There is no completely free market anywhere, all cover their own.
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Well, without the Communists they started selling bread, but if the village were alive, they would have sold several times more.

      No need to blame everything on the Communists. Not because I somehow especially love or protect them. Globally, the problem is not in them, if there were others, similar processes would have occurred. May be less tough, but would have happened.
      Like it or not, mankind has taken the path of development of science and industry. And Russia in the 19 century did not develop in this direction quickly enough. We lagged behind the west and the lag grew. In Europe, people on their own (and not by order of the Bolsheviks) began to leave the villages in the cities in the 19 century. We have almost none. The level of urbanization in 1850 year: Germany - 33%, UK - 54%, RI - 9%. After 60 years: Germany - 60%, UK - 79%, RI - 14%. What prevented in those quiet years from paying attention to the development of industry? But the process was too sluggish. I think statistics on the production of complex types of weapons in the WWII is not necessary - everyone knows. Actually the result is a revolution. This is bad. Because there were no unsolvable problems that must have ended in a revolution. Could carry out appropriate reforms in a timely manner. But it did not work out. Then the Bolsheviks come to power. Having gone crazy with utopian ideas like the World Revolution comes the understanding that this is all talk, but somehow you need to survive. As a result, the pragmatist Stalin, whom the most stubborn Bolsheviks considered counterrevolutionary for a reason, scores all this theoretical Lenin nonsense and begins industrialization. Otherwise, it is simply impossible to survive - the whole world is moving from an agrarian culture to an industrial one. And Stalin is not faced with such a daunting task, to make an industrial power in a couple of five-year periods, while other countries have gone this way in 100 or more years. If solving such a problem pity people and take into account their love for their native meadows, fields, horses, then this will be a drain. Therefore, it turned out very tough. But after some 27 years, we launched the first satellite of the earth before everyone else in the world, that is, we became the same industrial power on an equal footing with leaders. And who is to blame for all this? Bolsheviks, for their harsh industrialization? Kings, for not raising industry on time? You can blame everyone. But I think - do not blame anyone. As it was - it was so.
  13. -3
    2 October 2018 15: 16
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    , with beef to work and work, and here it is necessary

    Peasants need to work with cattle, not day laborers.
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 15: 39
      A day laborer with cattle does not work ... the exhaust there is not fast at all
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 00: 35
        That will be so.
        Blacks also rice, cotton, tobacco
  14. -4
    2 October 2018 15: 18
    Quote: Alex_59
    What prevented in those quiet years from paying attention to the development of industry?

    And why is industrial growth necessary?
    We made everything we needed for ourselves.
    Out of 26 EDB and LR, RI built 24.
    USSR-0, zero.
    Well, did industrialization help her?
    I repeat, if brisk small-town natives and mountain primates came to power, then woe to this country.
    1. +2
      2 October 2018 15: 30
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      And why is industrial growth necessary?

      Well, how can I tell you. Would it be better for New Russia to defend itself if it had established production of tanks? Or aviation? Weird question.
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      We made everything we needed for ourselves.

      I thought statistics on the production of military equipment in WWI is not needed, but it turns out to be needed))) Especially in comparison with the Entente countries. The number of tanks, aircraft, aircraft engines are very interesting numbers. )))
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Well, did industrialization help her?

      USSR won.
      1. -3
        2 October 2018 15: 35
        Quote: Alex_59
        Especially in comparison with the Entente countries. The number of tanks, aircraft, aircraft engines are very interesting numbers. )))

        Come on. Only chur until February 17, and it doesn’t work out well, Russia stopped production in February, and the allies are counted until November 18.
        And now according to the statistics of losses
        Of the 3 million killed in the WWI, Austro-Germans - about 5 million laid their heads on the Eastern Front. The Russians lost about a million.
        Quote: Alex_59
        USSR won.

        Well, 20 million put his soldiers on 4,5 million enemies.
        And about technology, well, you yourself understand that technology in the hands of a savage is just a piece of iron.
        1. +2
          2 October 2018 16: 10
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Only chur until February 17, otherwise it turns out badly, Russia stopped production in February

          Stopped it? She didn’t even start producing tanks. ))) That's right, why do we need tanks? Battleships are more important)))
          And where does the February 1917 of the year come to me? France, for example, produced 52 000 aircraft, and RI 3500. Is it possible that in France until February 1917 the production of aircraft lagged behind that in RI? Or maybe, if it were not for the revolution, RI would have drastically circumvented France in this matter, having collected more than 1,5 50 airplanes in 000 years?
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Well, 20 million put his soldiers on 4,5 million enemies.
          If it is "putting", then 8,6 million of its soldiers. And there are also significantly more enemies. Or Romanians, Italians, Hungarians, Finns you are not considered enemies in the Second World War?
          1. -2
            2 October 2018 18: 56
            Quote: Alex_59
            Stopped it? She didn’t even start releasing tanks. ))) That's right, why do we need tanks?

            So Germany for the entire 18th year produced only 20 tanks.
            But Russia has already worked in this direction.
            True, I didn’t produce computers, that's for sure.
  15. -4
    2 October 2018 16: 22
    Quote: Alex_59
    And where does February 1917 mean it, I don’t quite understand

    After February 17, anarchy began in Russia and a complete halt to production.
    Quote: Alex_59
    France, for example, produced 52 aircraft,

    A jerk in aircraft construction occurred just in the 18th year, where in November the impoverished Italy produced 1000 planes a month and one and a half thousand engines.
    Russia would naturally do more.
    Quote: Alex_59
    Would RI sharply outflank France in this matter, having collected over 1,5 airplanes in 50 years?

    But it would be close.
    It’s just that the war would have ended by the end of the 17th year, and not in a year. If Lenin hadn’t fed Germany.
    Quote: Alex_59
    If it is "putting", then 8,6 million of its soldiers.

    The USSR is more than 20, enemies less than 5 million. That's all.
    1. -1
      2 October 2018 17: 41
      Write 50 million killed keyboard all endures.
      1. -4
        2 October 2018 17: 53
        20 million soldiers did not return home. These are the realities.
        And there is no need to mock the memory of the fallen heroes. Accustomed to impunity
        1. +2
          2 October 2018 19: 47
          It is not for you, Vlasovites, to talk about the memory of the dead. it wasn’t your victory. With your convictions, you would fight against the country.
          1. +1
            2 October 2018 20: 30
            If the 20 million who had given their lives for their homeland would have known that some boy, at the mention of their victims, would knock on their feet and beat their fists ... It is sad that there is such a thing.
    2. Alf
      0
      2 October 2018 18: 20
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Russia would naturally do more.

      If I were producing motors.
      1. -1
        2 October 2018 18: 27
        So she produced already. Maybe not enough, this is another question, but the process has already begun.
        Russia (1914-1917 for the rest of the countries for the period 1914-18) 5 607 pcs.
        Of which in:
        1914 - 535
        1915 - 1 305
        1916 - 1 870
        1917 - 1 897
        The tsarist government had a production plan for 1917 in more than 7 aircraft, and
        1918 th approximately 10 thousand more. In reality, the Soviet government could not provide in 1918
        the release of even one aircraft with a huge amount of raw materials, semi-finished products and components including
        aircraft engines that have been in factories since tsarist times. Do not happen a coup in February 1917
        Russia would build, during the years of the Great War, about 21 thousand aircraft.
        There was also a significant import of aircraft engines and aircraft (USSR years of the Second World War also received from
        Lend-Lease allies have many combat aircraft, as well as aircraft engines, raw materials for production
        gasoline and gasoline itself. The Russian Empire produced fuel for aircraft on its own)

        2/3 of all engines that were used in Russian aviation were either imported or assembled on
        Russian factories from imported components.
        So this production and import allowed the Russian Field Army to ensure full
        air superiority.
        At the end of 1916, Russia at the front against Austria-Hungary and Germany had - 724 aircraft,
        the enemy against Russia had about 600 aircraft.

        In Russia, the number of aircraft that was needed for the front was produced. Missing
        part was purchased abroad.
        In 1916, in Petrograd, at the Mikhanichesky Plant, where part of the RBVZ was evacuated from Riga, a serial
        production of RBVZ-6 engines with a capacity of 150 hp Total was ordered
        300 units (before the collapse of production in 1918 they managed to make 45 motors).
        This engine could become the progenitor of a whole family of aircraft engines.
        1. Alf
          +2
          2 October 2018 19: 54
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Do not happen a coup in February 1917

          Quote: Koshnitsa
          the Soviet government failed

          This Soviet government ruined RI? In February ? The Bolsheviks, who were not in nature then?
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          (USSR years of the Second World War also received from
          Lend-Lease allies have many combat aircraft, as well as aircraft engines

          This is how much the Soviet Union received in the Second World War from the allies of engines? Digit, digit ..
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          2/3 of all engines that were used in Russian aviation were either imported or assembled at Russian plants from imported components.
          So this production and import allowed the Russian Field Army to ensure full
          air superiority.

          The superiority was such that, on the pride of the aviation of RI, Ilya Muromets, the engines were installed on each different one and reached the engines from German downed airships.
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          In 1916, in Petrograd, at the Mikhanichesky Plant, where part of the RBVZ was evacuated from Riga, a serial
          production of RBVZ-6 engines with a capacity of 150 hp Total was ordered
          300 units (before the collapse of production in 1918 they managed to make 45 motors).

          45 motors per year? This is a piece production.
          In 1916, British firms built 6099 aircraft, and in 1917, 14 aircraft. Created production capacities made it possible already in 748 to bring aircraft production to 1918 units. In total, more than 32 thousand aircraft and more than 036 thousand engines were built during the Great Britain war.

          The pre-war production of aircraft in France peaked in 1912, so by the beginning of the war there was a clear lag both in quantitative terms and in the development of new designs. However, already in the first period of the war, aircraft manufacturers managed to fundamentally correct the situation. During the war, 35 factories were engaged in aircraft manufacturing, which manufactured 51 143 machines, including 1914 in 541, 1915 4 in 469, 1916 7 in 549, 1917 14 in 915, 1918 23 - in 669. XNUMX aircraft.

          Quote: Koshnitsa
          At the end of 1916, Russia at the front against Austria-Hungary and Germany had - 724 aircraft,
          Not funny.
          How many of them were Russian-built aircraft? So the Lynx-Iveco can be called Russian, it is also collected in Russia.
          In Russia, in serial, under license, before the revolution, only one English Sopwich-and-a-half-resistant aircraft was built. More than 100 cars were built.
          [/ quote] [quote]
          1. -1
            2 October 2018 20: 24
            And Stalin wrote that it was the Bolsheviks who staged February. He lied, probably.
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            (USSR years of the Second World War also received from
            Lend-Lease allies have many combat aircraft, as well as aircraft engines

            This is how much the Soviet Union received in the Second World War from the allies of engines? Together with the delivered planes, the United States and Great Britain supplied spare aircraft engines to them - only about 5700 sets. More than in WWI.
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            2/3 of all engines that were used in Russian aviation were either imported or assembled at Russian plants from imported components.
            So this production and import allowed the Russian Field Army to ensure full
            air superiority.

            The superiority was such that, on the pride of the aviation of RI, Ilya Muromets, the engines were installed differently on each one, and the engines reached German shot down airships. the superiority of German aviation, the troops did not complain, unlike the Second World War. And the shameful ratio of air victories was not the same as in the Second World War. Suddenly.
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            In 1916, in Petrograd, at the Mechanical Plant, where part of the RBVZ was evacuated from Riga, a serial
            production of RBVZ-6 engines with a capacity of 150 hp Total was ordered
            300 units (before the collapse of production in 1918 they managed to make 45 motors).

            45 motors per year? This is a piece production. Would do more, revolution has prevented.
            In 1916, British firms built 6099 aircraft, and in 1917, 14 aircraft. Created production capacities made it possible already in 748 to bring aircraft production to 1918 units. In total, more than 32 thousand aircraft and more than 036 thousand engines were built during the Great Britain war.

            The pre-war production of aircraft in France peaked in 1912, so by the beginning of the war there was a clear lag both in quantitative terms and in the development of new designs. However, already in the first period of the war, aircraft manufacturers managed to fundamentally correct the situation. During the war, 35 factories were engaged in aircraft manufacturing, which manufactured 51 143 machines, including 1914 in 541, 1915 4 in 469, 1916 7 in 549, 1917 14 in 915, 1918 23 - in 669. 14 aircraft. That is, in France, from the kopecks of the XNUMXth year, there was an increase in England too. Please note the serious powers.

            Quote: Koshnitsa
            At the end of 1916, Russia at the front against Austria-Hungary and Germany had - 724 aircraft,
            Not funny .// So cry.
            How many of them were Russian-built aircraft? So the Lynx-Iveco can be called Russian, it is also assembled in Russia. You can say why not. Remind about Soviet duplicates of equipment?
            1. Alf
              0
              2 October 2018 20: 42
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              Not funny. So cry.

              It is necessary for the bakers to cry, their tales are refuted by numbers.
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              Remind about conspiracy duplicates of technology?

              Soviet duplicates were produced entirely in the USSR from parts manufactured in the USSR. There is a difference between releasing from one’s own and assembling from someone else’s.
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              And Stalin wrote that it was the Bolsheviks who staged February. He lied, probably.

              And they also drove the king away from the authorities. Give a quote. Do not merge.
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              Together with the delivered planes, the United States and Great Britain supplied spare aircraft engines to them - only about 5700 sets

              Right. BUT! Engines were supplied with the aircraft, and not separately, as in RI.
              5700 is cool. Remember how many aircraft engines the industry of the USSR gave.
              The “heart” of an airplane is the engine. In 1941-1945 Soviet factories produced more than 200 thousand aircraft engines. Source and details: http://www.airaces.ru/stati/sovetskoe-aviastroenie-v-gody-velikojj-otechestvennojj-vojjny-1941-1945-gg.html
              1. -1
                2 October 2018 21: 10
                Quote: Alf
                It’s necessary for the bakers to cry

                After 1991? so this is your brother thrown into the cold.
                Quote: Alf
                Soviet duplicates were produced entirely in the USSR from parts manufactured in the USSR.

                Well, it doesn’t matter, they were copied from the West.
                In addition, compare the development of aviation in the 30-40s. with 10 is somehow not comme il faut.
                Quote: Alf
                And they also drove the king away from the authorities. Give a quote. Do not merge.

                and in February 1917 on the initiative
                Bolsheviks appeared Soviets of workers 'and soldiers' deputies.
                While the Bolsheviks led the direct struggle of the masses on
                the streets, the compromising parties, the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries seized the deputy
                seats in the Soviets, forming their majority in them. This is partly
                contributed to the fact that most of the leaders of the Bolshevik
                the party was in prison and exile (Lenin was in exile, Stalin and
                Sverdlov in the Siberian exile), while the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries are free
                walked on the streets of Petrograd.

                A short course in the history of the CPSU (b) (1938)



                Reproduced from the publication:

                HISTORY OF THE ALL-UNION COMMUNIST PARTY (Bolsheviks)
                SHORT COURSE

                OGIZ
                STATE PUBLISHING HOUSE OF POLITICAL LITERATURE
                Moscow, February 1945, XNUMX
                Did not read? Well, how can it be, how can it be so, all lefties should start the morning by reading this little book, and in the afternoon and after, it is better instead of dinner.
                The traitors of October deny February!
                Quote: Alf
                Right. BUT! Engines were supplied with the aircraft, and not separately, as in RI.

                In the course of studying the design of engines by Soviet specialists, projects appeared on their possible installation on Soviet-made aircraft. So Rollin-Royce Merlin and Allison V-1710 engines were supposed to be installed on Yak-1, Yak-7 and Yak-9 fighters and Pe-2 bomber, Wright R-2600 engines on La-5 and Il-4.
                A-ta-ta-ta!
                Quote: Alf
                5700 is cool.

                This is more than all deliveries to the WWI, by the way, but here again everything rests on the level of losses, 100-200-300 victories for the German aces, and it is clear that all this was lost.
                1. Alf
                  0
                  2 October 2018 21: 40
                  [quote = Koshnitsa] for 100-200-300 victories in the German aces, [/ quote]
                  How much can this nonsense be repeated?
                  [quote = Koshnitsa] So the Rolls-Royce Merlin and Allison V-1710 engines were supposed to be installed on Yak-1, Yak-7 and Yak-9 fighters and Pe-2 bomber, Wright R-2600 engines on La-5 and IL-4. [/ Quote]
                  Where did the firewood come from?
                  [Quote] [/ quote]
                  [quote = Koshnitsa]
                  [quote = Alph] Soviet duplicates were issued completely in the USSR from parts manufactured in the USSR. [/ quote]
                  Well, it doesn’t matter, they were copied from the West.
                  This is just what is very important.
                  In addition, compare the development of aviation in the 30-40s. with 10s, it’s somehow not comme il faut. [quote = Alf] And they also drove the king away from the authorities. Give a quote. Do not merge. [/ Quote]
                  The tsar was fired by the Bolsheviks or liberals?
                  [quote = Koshnitsa] with 10s is somehow not comme il faut. [/ quote]
                  Then in general the picture is bleak. And we would be glad to release, but no one, nothing, and nothing. And no one will.
                  1. -3
                    2 October 2018 21: 51
                    Quote: Alf
                    How much can this nonsense be repeated?

                    The level of training is very different, hence the number of victories is different.
                    Here and 5700 engines and the entire Soviet aircraft industry will not help.
                    This happens when people do not do their own thing in the country.
                    Instead of selling apricot in the Kremlin climb, and so on.
                    Quote: Alf
                    Where did the firewood come from?

                    Kotelnikov V. R. Aviation Lend-Lease. - M.: Russian Knights Foundation, 2015. - 368 p. - (Air wars of the 1000th century). - 985 copies. - ISBN 5-9906036-3-9-XNUMX.
                    Quote: Alf
                    And they also drove the king away from the authorities. Give a quote.

                    Quote: Koshnitsa
                    While the Bolsheviks led the direct struggle of the masses on
                    the streets, the compromising parties, the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries seized the deputy
                    seats in the Soviets, forming their majority in them. This is partly
                    contributed to the fact that most of the leaders of the Bolshevik
                    the party was in prison and exile (Lenin was in exile, Stalin and
                    Sverdlov in the Siberian exile), while the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries are free
                    walked on the streets of Petrograd.

                    Edited by Stalin.
                    Instead, our "communists" behave like a confused from a film by Gaidai, who yells: "Innocent I!" They are humiliatingly making excuses to the average man. They tear the shirt on their chest, proving that they have nothing to do with the February Revolution, and the October Revolution was actually not a revolution - but a counter-revolution, the Bolsheviks - not revolutionaries - but counter-revolutionaries, who restored the country's imperial power.

                    Renouncing February, perverting its meaning, they also betray October.
                    Quote: Alf
                    Then in general the picture is bleak. And we would be glad to release, but no one, nothing, and nothing. And no one will.

                    So they let out, enough for needs, they did not fill up with meat.
                    1. -1
                      3 October 2018 08: 43
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      While the Bolsheviks led the direct struggle of the masses on
                      the streets, the compromising parties, the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries seized the deputy
                      seats in the Soviets, forming their majority in them.

                      There, in the "short course of the VKPB" there is also the key phrase of an international tourist from Switzerland about the February revolution:
                      "The revolution was made by the PROLETARIAT under the leadership of the BOLSHEVIKS."

                      as for the USSR technology: who said that with RI or RR in 1941 it would have been less?
                      The development trend of Russia to VOR led to the same results! Only people would be TENS of millions more!
                      1. 0
                        3 October 2018 21: 10
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The development trend of Russia to VOR led to the same results! Only people would be TENS of millions more!

                        Blessed is he who believes in trends. More than one trend in the world has not coincided with reality.
        2. +3
          2 October 2018 22: 53
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          The tsarist government had a production plan for 1917 in more than 7 aircraft, and

          Aircraft engines of their own in RI, how many were designed? And how much was produced?
          1. -2
            2 October 2018 23: 02
            Therefore, crying about a weak and backward Russia is not appropriate. The statement about the alleged
            the lag of the royal aviation industry from countries such as Italy and Austria-Hungary.
            There was a lot of stress with the motors - there were not enough motors of new types, high power.
            BUT THIS PROBLEM SUCCESSFULLY RESOLVED.
            In 1916, in Petrograd, at the Mikhanichesky Plant, where part of the RBVZ was evacuated from Riga, the Syrian
            production of RBVZ-6 engines with a capacity of 150 hp Total was ordered
            300 units (before the collapse of production in 1918 they managed to make 45 motors).
            This engine could become the progenitor of a whole family of aircraft engines.
            In 1917, the design bureaus of engines for 225, 350 and 450 hp were carried out in the design bureau of the Russian-Baltic Wagon Plant,
            as well as units with a capacity of 1500 hp fuel for which was supposed to be heavy fuel oil. Their supposed
            offer for use on ships and ships, submarines and in the production of electricity. As
            ideas were discussed on the design of the locomotive based on this unit.
            In August 1916 at the Petrogradsky plant located in Aleksandrovsk (since 1921 - the city of Zaporozhye)
            "Joint-stock company" Duflon, Konstantinovich and Co "(abbreviated as" DEKA ") tested the first aircraft engine" DEKA "M-100 -
            vertical, six-cylinder, single-row, water-cooled, Mercedes type. His drawings were created under
            leadership engineer Vorobyov. It is interesting to note that a student from Moscow took part in this work.
            Imperial Higher Technical School Vladimir Klimov, the future general designer of VK engines,
            founder of OKB-117 (now OJSC "Klimov", St. Petersburg), who was doing factory practice at that time.
            Major General Pnevsky reported to St. Petersburg: "... the first hundred-horsepower engine made entirely of Russian materials,
            was put into operation and gave quite satisfactory results. "The plant began to fulfill the contract in full.
            Aircraft production facilities:
            In October 1917, there were 34 airlines in Russia with up to 12 thousand workers.
            Of these, 14 are aircraft assembly plants, seven are motors, three are propellers and skis, two are magnetos, one is aircraft instruments,
            the rest were completed.

            Dozens of furniture workshops made spars and other details of the power structure of aircraft.
            The aircraft building complex of the Russian Empire was distinguished by a high specialization of production.
            It is necessary to recall one more important fact in history
            Russian aviation industry since the time of the Russian Empire.
            The Ministry of War of the Russian Empire led the development
            post-war air fleet development programs (Great War)
            period.
            In which the main emphasis was placed on the complete localization of production
            heavy aircraft in Russia.
            For this, since 1916, a program to create
            three aircraft clusters:
            1. Petrogradsky
            2. Moscow
            3. Southern (near the city of Kherson).
            Powerful design bureaus were created in each of the clusters.
            Each of the clusters should have its own specialization.
            Petrogradsky - heavy multi-engine transport aircraft and bombers.
            Moscow - light transport and training aircraft, fighters, reconnaissance aircraft.
            Kherson - marine aviation including flying boats, helicopters development
            which was led by one of the leading aviation engineers of Russia Georgy Aleksandrovich Botezat.
            The first helicopter he created flew to the United States in 1922.
            On it, Georgy Alexandrovich in 1922-23 made more than 100 flights.
            The program provided for further increase in aircraft engine power,
            aircraft carrying capacity, altitude, speed and flight range.
            In aircraft manufacturing, a shift to use was planned instead
            wood and fabric of light metals - aluminum and its alloys.
            For this, practical work began on the development of Tikhvin bauxites.
            and creating on their basis the first large-scale production in Russia
            aluminum. The Volkhov hydroelectric power station, being built at the same time, was supposed to provide
            First of all, electricity production.
            1. +4
              2 October 2018 23: 43
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              In 1916, in Petrograd, at the Mikhanichesky Plant, where part of the RBVZ was evacuated from Riga, the Syrian
              production of RBVZ-6 engines with a capacity of 150 hp Total was ordered
              300 units (before the collapse of production in 1918 they managed to make 45 motors).
              This engine could become the progenitor of a whole family of aircraft engines.
              In 1917, the design bureaus of engines for 225, 350 and 450 hp were carried out in the design bureau of the Russian-Baltic Wagon Plant,
              as well as units with a capacity of 1500 hp fuel for which was supposed to be heavy fuel oil.

              Promising doesn't mean getting married. You know? It is possible and in another way: "If only, if only, but mushrooms grew in my mouth ..." (c) Ie. while in England, France, Germany, aircraft engines were mass-produced, 1000 pieces ... In God-rescued RI: "(before the collapse of production in 1918, they managed to make 45 engines" and "in 1917, development "!!! wassat laughing It was an unconditional victory of the imperial aircraft industry !!! laughing
              1. -3
                2 October 2018 23: 48
                If before the First World War, the performance of domestic aircraft plants was about
                480 aircraft per year, then in 1916 1 aircraft heavier than air were produced
                (in the Soviet Union, this quantitative indicator will be achieved only after 15 years) and 1398 aircraft engines.
                For 1916, quite a norm.
                And given the efficiency of using aviation, it would be better for the Soviet side to be silent.
                1. +3
                  3 October 2018 00: 26
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  and 1398 aircraft engines.

                  Of these, their development, how many - 45 pcs.? lol The amazing result!
                  1. -2
                    3 October 2018 11: 57
                    For the first years of aviation, a very tangible result.
                2. +2
                  3 October 2018 07: 52
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  And given the efficiency of using aviation, it would be better for the Soviet side to be silent.

                  Very sorry. I thought you were an adequate interlocutor, but after such primitive propaganda cliches, it becomes clear that I was wrong.
                  Unfortunately, there are very few objective history buffs ...
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2018 11: 57
                    Especially those who cite Krivosheeva
    3. +3
      2 October 2018 22: 46
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      After February 17, anarchy began in Russia and a complete halt to production.

      Mr. stubborn ROVSovets and anti-adviser, I imagined, or, you, right now, in public, have recognized the fact that a full paragraph of industry, in the former. RI, it came before the bloody Bolsheviks came to power !!! laughing Is it true? !! Wonderful things are yours, Lord !!! lol
      1. +1
        2 October 2018 22: 55
        Instead, our "communists" behave like a confused from a film by Gaidai, who yells: "Innocent I!" They are humiliatingly making excuses to the average man.
        1. +1
          2 October 2018 23: 22
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Instead, our “communists" .... blah blah blah

          What is it instead of? You, dear, have пBig problem with Russian speech? Are you not very Russian? lol It’s very difficult for me, as a purely Russian, from your text, to even suggest, instead of what, such crap
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          our "communists" behave like a confused from a film by Gaidai, which yells: "Innocent I!".

          ?? laughing And, behold, these people, who do not really "sprinkle" in Russian, dare to consider themselves - Russian Orthodox Nazis ??? wassat laughing Yeah...
          1. 0
            2 October 2018 23: 49
            There in the text there is an excerpt from "a short course on the history of the CPSU (b)".
            1. +1
              3 October 2018 00: 20
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              There in the text there is an excerpt from "a short course on the history of the CPSU (b)".

              Shit! And, specifically, separately, can this passage be quoted? And then, after all, as a politically illiterate person, I even managed to skip the course in History of the CPSU at the university ... laughing
              1. +1
                3 October 2018 01: 22
                and in February 1917 on the initiative
                Bolsheviks appeared Soviets of workers 'and soldiers' deputies.
                While the Bolsheviks led the direct struggle of the masses on
                the streets, the compromising parties, the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries seized the deputy
                seats in the Soviets, forming their majority in them. This is partly
                contributed to the fact that most of the leaders of the Bolshevik
                the party was in prison and exile (Lenin was in exile, Stalin and
                Sverdlov in the Siberian exile), while the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries are free
                walked on the streets of Petrograd.

                A short course in the history of the CPSU (b) (1938)



                Reproduced from the publication:

                HISTORY OF THE ALL-UNION COMMUNIST PARTY (Bolsheviks)
                SHORT COURSE

                OGIZ
                STATE PUBLISHING HOUSE OF POLITICAL LITERATURE
                Moscow, February 1945, XNUMX
                Did not read? Well, how can it be, how can it be so, all lefties should start the morning by reading this little book, and in the afternoon and after, it is better instead of dinner.
                Shimpanidze personally edited.
    4. +2
      3 October 2018 07: 37
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      After February 17, anarchy began in Russia and a complete halt to production.

      This is the fault of exclusively the tsarist government, personally Nicholas II. There were no Bolsheviks yet. And there is no need to quote the Bolshevik agitation that "February" is the work of their hands. She always and everywhere embellishes propaganda. If the tsar was hindered by internal enemies, revolutionaries and others, it was necessary to shoot them, and not smear the snot.
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Russia would naturally do more.

      Why would she start doing more? Also say that just in March of 17 they wanted to release 50 000 planes and 10000 tanks, but that's not the task, they didn’t. And so we would hoo!
      I honestly do not understand why to reduce our history to a similar poppy-cranberry squalor? After all, this is not primarily respect for the same tsarist authorities and for the king too. Why make clowns of them? Could not - have the honor to admit that you could not. It was a failure. No need to hide it, no matter what.
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      The USSR is more than 20, enemies less than 5 million. That's all.

      Even the most fierce anti-advisers recognize the reliability of the fundamental work of Krivosheev on losses in the Second World War. The irretrievable losses of the soldiers of the USSR amounted to 8,6 million people. There are no 20 millions at all. Only the most stubborn Solzhenitsynites dispute these figures, but they usually write any two-digit number, absolutely from the bulldozer. They can write 30,50,80 of the millions of victims. They do not care - just any figure that they like.
      1. -4
        3 October 2018 11: 42
        Quote: Alex_59
        And there is no need to quote the Bolshevik agitation that "February" is the work of their hands.

        And the Bolsheviks as well.
        Quote: Alex_59
        Why would she start doing more?

        The development of production, as they began to do more from the beginning of the war, rifles, machine guns, shells and everything else.
        Quote: Alex_59
        It was a failure. No need to hide it, no matter what.
        Yeah, failure, they lost a million killed and overwhelmed two million enemies.
        Quote: Alex_59
        Krivosheeva on losses in the Second World War. The irretrievable losses of the soldiers of the USSR amounted to 8,6 million people.
        The data of the wart counterfeiter Krivosheeva data has long been in the trash. Even his office speaks of 11 million who have not returned from the war.
        And according to the Books of Memory of the Regions there are more than 19 million such people, and this is without partisans and militias.
        Neither tanks, nor airplanes, nor Lend-Lease red commanders could help, they fought in number.
        And therefore such results.
        1. +3
          3 October 2018 18: 32
          Krivosheev says that for 8,67 million deaths (including in captivity) there are 22,3 million wounded, of whom 2,58 million became disabled. The ratio is 1: 2,6: 0,3.
          With 20 million dead, there should be 52 million wounded, 6 million disabled people. This is out of 34,5 million mobilized (despite the fact that not all of them were at the front).
          Question: maybe the population of the USSR really was somewhere around half a billion, as predicted by Dmitry Ivanovich, and not 195-196 million?
          EMNIP historian Boris Sokolov, a big lover of big losses of the Red Army, once said that the population of the USSR was more than 12 million more than is commonly thought ...
      2. +2
        3 October 2018 16: 48
        Alex, about 8,5 million - you mean the Red Army? The figure of 20 million was called under Brezhnev, when Solzhenitsyn and Co. were not held in high esteem. To claim that the USSR has lost 30-40 million is a blatant box. And to call the figure of 7-8 million is also unfair.
        1. Alf
          +1
          3 October 2018 21: 53
          Quote: vladcub
          about 8,5 million - you mean the Red Army?

          Exactly. Brezhnev spoke of 20 million Soviet CITIZENS, i.e. both civilian and military.
          1. -2
            3 October 2018 22: 21
            Brezhnev talked about MORE than 20 million
            With weapons in their hands, 20 million were killed. Under Brezhnev, this was openly written in the military encyclopedia.
        2. +1
          4 October 2018 13: 23
          Quote: vladcub
          The number in 20 of millions was called under Brezhnev, when Solzhenitsyn and Co. were not held in high esteem

          8,6 million soldiers killed in battle or died from wounds and in captivity! Civilian casualties are another story. Brezhnev most likely spoke of general demographic losses.
  16. +1
    2 October 2018 17: 40
    A kind of "war communism" consisted in the fact that we actually took from the peasants all the surplus, and sometimes even not the surplus, but part of the food needed for the peasant, took to cover the costs of the army and the maintenance of the workers. They borrowed for the most part, for paper money. Otherwise, we could not defeat the landlords and capitalists in the ruined small-peasant country. And the fact that we won (despite the support of our exploiters by the most powerful powers in the world) shows not only what miracles of heroism the workers and peasants are capable of in the struggle for their liberation. This fact also shows what role the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Kautsky and Co. played in reality as the lackeys of the bourgeoisie when they blamed us for this "War Communism." We must give him credit. War communism was forced by war and ruin. It was not and could not be a policy that meets the economic tasks of the proletariat. It was a temporary measure. The correct policy of the proletariat, exercising its dictatorship in a small-peasant country, is to exchange grain for industrial products necessary for the peasantry. "
    V. I. Lenin "On the food tax".
  17. -4
    2 October 2018 17: 44
    Quote: Rastas
    for the most part borrowed for paper money.

    Returned the debt? That's it ...
    Everything is very simple here.
    Food dictatorship is needed in order to keep in power in the country.
    You will work for us, keep the solder.
    You won’t be hungry!
    1. -2
      2 October 2018 21: 55
      A movie about "bandits" "embezzlers" and "criminals" in the subject - unfortunately true, there are still living eyewitnesses of those events [media = http: //youtu.be/XvBoWMZZufE]
    2. +1
      2 October 2018 22: 23
      In, straight Russia serf
      Only there is even easier - you rebel, in prison
      And even Cossacks will treat us with sabers from the heart
      1. +2
        2 October 2018 22: 45
        And the memory of you know-alls
        now spat on the brow
        Cossacks whine around
        do not remember the Cossack blood ..
        And you descendants will not recall
        in a dispute with a yellow-faced brother
        the cavalry sent by God,
        which will not return. (C)
  18. 0
    2 October 2018 22: 15
    The German Tsars and Tsaritsky bred the Russian people, yeah wassat
    1. -2
      2 October 2018 22: 30
      Quote: Beringovsky
      At the time, they threw their fate from Turkestan to the Amur ... almost like the Red Army Sukhov

      They didn’t become Mongoloid, right? In any case, our ancestors are not, but the Kyrgyz, Altaians, Khakasses, descendants of the Siberian Scythians, yes.
      But then ancient affairs, say almost all the components, more than 90% came from Europe is a fact.
      Quote: Beringovsky
      But tell me, how did the Ugrofin comrades of the 9th century differ from the Slavs?

      Very strong in the racial plan. Mordva is okay Finnouzine boudins, descendants of Fatyanovo culture, and Merya real Uraloids is a transitional race between white and yellow, immigrants from the Liaohe River. Von Klyosov is typical, tiny, short neck, narrow eyes, skin yellow.
      And near what beginning of Russia did they stand? They were squeezed to the East.
      Quote: Beringovsky
      Or recall the names of Russian from the contract of Igor?

      It is quite an anmass of Scandinavian names. Our ancestors gave us Russia and the name and country and spirit.
      Quote: Beringovsky
      So Russia / Russia since birth was common to all
      General man?
      1. +3
        2 October 2018 22: 54
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        Mordva is okay finnozavirovannye boudins, descendants of Fatyanovo culture, and Merya real Uraloids is a transitional race between white and yellow, immigrants from the Liaohe River. Von Klyosov is typical, tiny, short neck, narrow eyes, skin yellow.

        Hey, you, maybe we’ll measure the skulls, who is Chinese and who is not?
        1. 0
          2 October 2018 22: 57
          Liaohe is not China, panda mukara.
          This is Manchuria actually.
          And they simply conquered your ancestors and Finnized.
          If in Moksha they left at least some impurity, it is practically not noticeable at the yarns.
    2. -3
      2 October 2018 22: 53
      Well, one of the main threats eliminated?
      As early as the beginning of the 19th century, a careless resident of Saratov could be in Khiva six months later, and being blinded and telescoped, turn a wheel for irrigation. At the end of the 19th century there was already a different picture.
      1. +1
        2 October 2018 23: 14
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        Earlier in the beginning of the 19 century, a careless resident of Saratov could be in Khiva six months later, and being blinded and snarled, turn a wheel for irrigation. At the end of the 19 century there was already a different picture.

        In my opinion, someone needs to wear a shirt. With backstraps. Ufso, I am silent, I hid under the bed.
        1. +1
          2 October 2018 23: 16
          Russian people, however, as well as Mordovian slave owners, were taken into slavery in Asia until the second half of the 19 century. If you do not know about this, it is better to refuse to comment.
        2. 0
          2 October 2018 23: 23
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Earlier in the beginning of the 19 century, a careless resident of Saratov could be in Khiva six months later, and being blinded and snarled, turn a wheel for irrigation. At the end of the 19 century there was already a different picture.

          In my opinion, someone needs to wear a shirt. With backstraps. Ufso, I am silent, I hid under the bed.

          In fact, when Skobelev conquered those cities, there were on the order of several tens of thousands of Persons speaking in the markets ...
          1. +1
            2 October 2018 23: 34
            There were about three thousand Russians in Khiva
      2. +1
        3 October 2018 16: 31
        I don’t know about the Saratov province, but in the Caucasus the Cossacks both plowed and sowed, and kept their guns on their heads. The situation was similar in the Far East.
  19. +2
    2 October 2018 22: 48
    Something terribly dulls the "rubber" site design
    SW Admins, well do something crying
  20. 0
    2 October 2018 23: 21
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Russian people, however, as well as Mordovian slave owners, were taken into slavery in Asia until the second half of the 19 century. If you do not know about this, it is better to refuse to comment.

    what's next?
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 23: 23
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Ufso, I am silent, I hid under the bed.

      A voice from there?
  21. 0
    3 October 2018 08: 07
    Olgovich,
    Stop joking, Olgovich. All these political officers remained in the second echelon, to eat a turnip.
    1. -2
      3 October 2018 11: 46
      C'mon, you slander, the younger polisostav perfectly fertilized the field, as well as platoon with company.
      1. -3
        3 October 2018 12: 11
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        the younger polisostav perfectly fertilized the field,

        Not at all. Well, read at least Mikhin, at least Vanka-platoon.
        1. -2
          3 October 2018 12: 12
          Zampolita mouth? They also ran into attacks, of course, the nomenclature was higher in dugouts, however this also concerned the command staff.
  22. -1
    3 October 2018 16: 21
    "The losses of the Red Army in 1921 amounted to 17 thousand people, and in 1921 21 thousand got used to it" is a clear mistake.
    Banditry is common after the civil war. A similar phenomenon occurred in the United States after the war between the North and the South, when established norms are always and everywhere who want to shoot. Almost always, “well-wishers” will stand behind anti-government actions: remember the Russian turmoil after the death of Ivan the Terrible and before the Zemsky Sobor, Swedes and Poles, behind Pugachev, albeit indirectly, there were Turks and English. This was on the site. And everyone remembers the period of the Civil War and the intervention from history. Behind the popular unrest, and the reasons were different (from selfish to arbitrariness on the spot), there were also "well-wishers": Poland, England, Japan and some others.
    I am convinced that the Civil War, peasant uprisings, and then collectivization, could have passed the sharpest if such characters as: Sverdlov, Trotsky, and then Kaganovich were not. They already "loved" the people as a "cat dog". There are many materials that there were great abuses during the surplus appropriation.
    1. +1
      6 October 2018 22: 04
      Someone seriously thinks that the Basmachi could not last long without foreign support? I read in my youth that the Basmachi had brand new English rifles. In my opinion, the Basmachis were finished, somewhere in the mid-30s. In YouTube there are films about the Basmachi, where the action takes place in 1930-1932, but how could they last so long?
      And the gangs of Bulak-Balakhovich figs would exist without the help of Poland.
      An example of the recent past: Contras in Nicaragua enjoyed the support of Honduras. There are many publications regarding foreign intervention in the Time of Troubles.
      In my opinion, even in the "Short Course on the History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolshevik), it was said that Trotsky abused his position, which led to popular demonstrations.
      And Stalin's article, "The Dizziness of Success," did it appear from scratch? There were many excesses in collectivization.
      On the conscience of Kaganovich and Co. 3 million dead from starvation in the Kuban! And Kravchuk made square eyes: he recently learned about a hunger strike in the 30s.
  23. 0
    3 October 2018 16: 26
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    And the memory of you know-alls
    now spat on the brow
    Cossacks whine around
    do not remember the Cossack blood ..
    And you descendants will not recall
    in a dispute with a yellow-faced brother
    the cavalry sent by God,
    which will not return. (C)

    To you for the poem +: the essence is told
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 16: 31
      This is an excerpt, there is a complete network
  24. +1
    3 October 2018 16: 35
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Mordva is okay finnozavirovannye boudins, descendants of Fatyanovo culture, and Merya real Uraloids is a transitional race between white and yellow, immigrants from the Liaohe River. Von Klyosov is typical, tiny, short neck, narrow eyes, skin yellow.

    Hey, you, maybe we’ll measure the skulls, who is Chinese and who is not?

    It was Rosenberg’s department that measured the skulls, but why do we need rubbish?
  25. 0
    3 October 2018 22: 22
    Quote: vladcub
    mania sharply do not be such characters as: Sverdlov, Trotsky, and then Kaganovich

    Then there would be no Soviet Power and the Bolshevik Party. Because besides these characters, there was practically nobody there.
  26. 0
    5 October 2018 00: 53
    6 million cripples would have happened, but who was there to help the wounded in the first years? Those who could become crippled in that Crimea or Kharkov boiler? That's just it ... They just went missing.
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 12: 46
      "Would" get in the way! The missing are as a result the dead, the same allegedly 20 million. And the disabled, as such, should be 6 million. In general, the commissioned - 8,8 million. Such is the arithmetic for the first grade ... schools for the mentally retarded.
      1. -1
        5 October 2018 13: 02
        In order for a person to become disabled, he needs to provide serious medical care.
        And with this in the Red Army there were problems, both objective and subjective.
        These are the realities.
        When chains are thrown on the forehead by machine guns, one after another, and the wounded and killed by the geological layers are lying on the freezer at night, what kind of disabled people can there be?
        1. -2
          5 October 2018 13: 18
          Take Sugar Medovich, the Memory Book of any region and check how much has returned, how much has gone.
          Debit Credit.
          “During the Great Patriotic War, Udora sent about three thousand people to the front, of which more than half did not return home. Only from my small village of Vending (40 yards) 38 people went to war, only 17 of them survived
          Mineralovodskaya land sent to the front more than 20 thousand soldiers, more than half of them did not return home.
          More than 900 people from Khumalag, who were called up and some volunteered, left to defend their homeland from the Nazi invaders. More than half of them - 567 people, mostly young children aged 17 to 21 years old, who have not yet known family happiness, - folded their heads on the battlefields
          In total, more than 340 thousand residents of Vologda, 178 811 were called to the front (more than half here) did not return home ....
        2. -1
          5 October 2018 17: 29
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          In order for a person to become disabled, he needs to provide serious medical care.

          Well said! )) I, with your permission, will write down this saying to joke on occasion.))). But seriously, when a person received serious medical assistance, he often did not become disabled. This is evidenced by the front-line soldiers Yu.D. Goncharov and K. Lorentz from the "other" side. Of course, if the situation allowed, in other cases a person was quickly cut off an arm or a leg - just not to die. So the realities were different.

          I read the Memory Books, moreover, I made statistics on my relatives, the result there is even worse. But ... From 34,5 million, deduct 20 million killed and 8,8 million commissioned - there remain 5,7 million Germans (only Germans!) Of 21,1 million mobilized minus 5 million killed and (let's say , the proportion is the same with ours) 4,9 million commissioned = 11,2 million. The ratio is almost 1: 2 in favor of the Germans. More than 1941! And from this "Germany ended"?

          Further. With such huge losses, it somehow happened that out of every 17 men who were 1941-18 years old in 22, there were 1940 in the late 10s — more than half. More than half of them did not fight? Too many ambiguities ...
          1. -1
            5 October 2018 19: 40
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            (for example, the proportion is the same as ours) 4,9 million commissary =

            The Germans were written off with much less damage, and their medicine was an order of magnitude higher than ours. Germany ran out of territory, including up to 10 million Wehrmacht in May 1945, but the will to resist, too, was lost.
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Further. With such huge losses, it somehow happened that out of every 17 men who were 1941-18 years old in 22, there were 1940 in the late 10s — more than half.
            In the late 40s, there was no census, where did this data come from, and even by age cohorts?
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            I read Memory books, moreover, I made statistics on my relatives, there the result is even worse.

            Well, so in general discourse is development.
            1. 0
              5 October 2018 20: 13
              The losses of the militia divisions before they were included in the Red Army were not taken into account. Divisions and regiments of the militia suffered huge losses (absolute and relative) during the defense of Moscow, Leningrad, Smolensk, Tula, Odessa, Sevastopol, Stalingrad and other cities. In total, at least 4 million people joined divisions and regiments of the militia. Of these, about 2 million subsequently entered the army. Losses of this half of the total number of militias were taken into account. Losses of the first half - no. That is, hundreds of thousands of dead with weapons in their hands in the fall of 1941 did not enter the total number of irretrievable losses of the USSR armed forces.
              1. 0
                6 October 2018 21: 28
                In 1942, tenth-graders were mobilized to defend the Pashkovskaya crossing and most of the boys died. How many of them were mobilized is not known: during the battles for Krasnodar there was no time for statistics. There were publications about this in regional newspapers, there was something in "Krasnaya Zvezda" and somewhere else.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2018 22: 57
                  They were not even mobilized, they were simply thrown into battle with training rifles
                  And the ninth graders too.
            2. +2
              6 October 2018 17: 47
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              The Germans were written off with much less damage.

              But at the same time they rowed into the army of 15-year-olds even before the opening of the 2nd front.

              Quote: Koshnitsa
              their medicine was an order of magnitude higher than ours

              Lorentz testifies to the opposite: where our people treated and cured, the Germans cut off without hesitation. But let's say. Then the balance is even more in favor of the Germans. Consequently, the main and only reason for the outcome of the war is the loss of will to resist? Cowardice, simply put? And the loss of territory is already a consequence. They scored from ours very soon. The only strange thing is that they did not give up immediately after Stalingrad.))

              I read about age data from Kozhinov. You can check the censuses of 1939 and 1959. Born in the years 1919-1923. men in 1939, 7467130, in 1959 - 4528340. The ratio is 5: 3 or the same 17 to 10. But you still need a correction for natural mortality, that is, in the late 1940s there were even more of these people.

              As for the militias, the Germans also have a mess with numbers according to Volkssturm. So mathematically we are here again on equal terms. But psychologically
              1. -2
                6 October 2018 18: 36
                The 1939 census does not take into account the annexed territories and in itself inspires concern.
                Believe me, the loss of Volkssturm is several tens of thousands of dead, not more. Up to hundreds.
                And the loss of the militia is several million.
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                Lorentz testifies to the opposite: where our people treated and cured, the Germans cut off without hesitation
                Yes, yes, yes, German meicin is a konoval, some, but Soviet is a top class.
                Did many of the wounded receive medical care for many near Rzhev, who lied on the neutral?
                That's it ...
                Be guided by medals, they were issued not to more than 35 million, but a little more than 15 million, including those rehabilitated in treason to the Motherland. People’s government just did not give out awards and status.
                1. +2
                  7 October 2018 05: 04
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  The 1939 census ... in itself is alarming.

                  What kind? I foresee your answer, but I want you to say it yourself)))

                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Be guided by medals

                  Well, for lack of better arguments, you have to cling to this one, right? Once my acquaintance, in terms of the number of issued medals "For the capture of Berlin," tried to prove that Berlin was taken by ALL of our available army, and not just three fronts. And ALMOST EVERYTHING was killed there.

                  About the Germans, then decide WHAT? According to your information, over the course of the war, the balance of power changed more and more in their favor, and they let themselves be conquered and surrendered only because of the "loss of fighting spirit"? Were they cowards? Yes or no?
                  1. -1
                    7 October 2018 21: 43
                    The Germans are all counted and recounted.
                    Accounting and control.
                    Medals are not arguments for you, the Book of Memory is not an argument, and there clearly no more than half have returned, especially in Russian regions.
  27. 0
    6 October 2018 21: 17
    [quote = Rastas] T. e. Russians, in your opinion, is such a stupid people who were defeated by a handful of Latvians, Chinese and Hungarians? [/
    Midshipman once cited this: Jews prepared and Latvians (I did not remember the exact quote, but the meaning is exact)
  28. 0
    6 October 2018 21: 35
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Quote: vladcub
    mania sharply do not be such characters as: Sverdlov, Trotsky, and then Kaganovich

    Then there would be no Soviet Power and the Bolshevik Party. Because besides these characters, there was practically nobody there.

    Somewhat controversial: Dzerzhinsky, Kalinin, Mikoyan, Stalin, they cannot be written down as "God's chosen" people
    1. 0
      6 October 2018 22: 18
      Shabesgoy as they are ...
      Well, how much would such peppers last without the seven millionth Jewish community?
  29. 0
    1 December 2018 02: 41
    A Tatar acquaintance from Kasimov told how bandits appeared in the vicinity of their village during the civil war. The CHON members defeated the gang, gathered the prisoners and said "Run." The runners began to shoot in the back, but so that some had a chance to survive. The runaway bandit returned to their village and joined the police. After the defeat of the gang, the Chonovites returned to peasant labor. During collectivization, the bandit-militiaman took revenge on ChONovtsy and brought some of them under execution. One of the dark sides of the dictatorship is that under it the bandits enter the state power and do banditry in its name. Stalin also robbed banks under the tsar and could not integrate into the state machine. We dropped him out of the seminary.
  30. 0
    6 December 2018 06: 39
    For the Trans-Urals (from the west) I will not say. And in the north of Primorye, traps for sables were equipped with meat from Komsomol members in the late thirties. The Old Believers (who did not migrate to China) actively resisted the GPU, but local small nations helped the punishers (I do not blame anyone, that was the time). From the modern one read "The Legend of Jansi-Kimonko (Dunkai)."