Good bye, genatsvale!

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After the last NATO summit in Chicago, at least one person, who for several years had been marking time at the main entrance of this organization and looking inside through armored glass, his mood improved. This person, as it is not difficult to guess, is the world's most peace-loving president - Georgian leader Mikhail Saakashvili. And it’s a sin not to rejoice at Mikhail Nikolozovich, because NATO’s General Secretary Rasmussen shook his hand and said that Georgia had never been so close to NATO as it is today ... In other words, if before Saakashvili, figuratively speaking, near the main entrance of the building of the North Atlantic Alliance was forced walking without any reason, now, because of the same armored entrance door, he not only waved his hand in greeting, but even handed over the mat - in order to wait for something convenient for Georgia, the landmark decision for Georgia. But it’s not entirely clear: whether Georgian citizens will be happy about such a decision, or after incessant propaganda pouring from the mouth of the president and his entourage, the Georgians also sleep and see their entry into the North Atlantic alliance.

After Saakashvili was encouraged in Chicago, stating that from now on Georgia became the so-called NATO graduate student country (for “graduate students” there is only one step before entry), the euphoria of the Georgian leader clearly manifests itself. There were new words about how now, they say, Georgia will show its open face to the whole world and solve all its questions. It’s interesting what issues Saakashvili is talking about and whether it is worth drawing conclusions that we haven’t seen a true Georgian face before the summit in Chicago. Hmm ... If so, then it becomes extremely interesting, what else is a grandiose plan ripening in the head of the main Georgian, although, by and large, the one-sidedness of all these plans has long been known to all.

Another issue that arose at the end of the Chicago NATO summit may be a question of this nature: if Andres Fogh Rasmussen really set out to accept Georgia into the Alliance, it turns out that either he wants to violate the organization’s Charter or force Georgia to bend under this Charter. The fact is that even when he was the president of France, Nicolas Sarkozy stated that Saakashvili would not see NATO membership as his ears until the issue of Georgia’s state border was resolved. And, as you know, this issue today is not only not resolved, but in general has gone very far from the point of a possible solution, and not without the help of the Georgian president himself. For several years now, Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been partially recognized as independent states, which, meanwhile, Saakashvili himself cannot admit. Many, by the way, are ironic about recognizing the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Like, well, they recognized that all 6 states (UN members), among which are the states of Oceania: Tuvalu and Nauru ... And what? Does anyone have questions about the state legitimacy of these countries? .. If there are questions, then it is worth recalling that, for example, de jure, the head of a state like Tuvalu even after this state’s independence is not anyone, but the British Queen Elizabeth II ... Here is such a legal incident: it turns out that Queen Elizabeth II, too, as if not against the recognition ...

It turns out that when speaking with Saakashvili about the possible soon accession of Georgia to the Alliance, Mr. Rasmussen is internally convinced that until the next summit (2014 year), all questions about the borders of Georgia will be removed. But this can only be achieved today in two ways: either support Saakashvili in the new military adventure, which, frankly, is hard to believe after the previous “small and victorious” war of Mikhail Nikolozovich, or else to put pressure on Saakashvili himself recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. However, this is no longer in the interests of either the Georgian president or the leaders of the Alliance countries, because in this case it will be necessary to recognize the complete defeat of not only the Georgian army from Russia, but also the NATO armies, since it was known that Western specialists were preparing the Georgian troops.

Although there are other options here for the same Rasmussen. First, in the 2013 year, Georgia is waiting for the presidential election, which may determine a new Georgian leader. Secondly, promises for Georgia once again may remain promises. Just today, no one wanted to upset Saakashvili even at such an epochal moment when Georgia might still need to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan, saying that the road to the Alliance for Tbilisi would be closed due to territorial disputes. After all, if Rasmussen now said Saakashvili: “Good bye, genatsvale!” It is still not clear how the Georgian president would have behaved in such a situation.

By the way, one can hardly say that after 2013, the policy of Georgia regarding the zeal in NATO may change. The fact is that recently more and more often in the media there is information that a young man such as George Ugulava can run for the presidency of Georgia. Today he works as the mayor of the Georgian capital and, most importantly, is a close friend of the current president. As for Ugulava, it is known that he was one of the main activists of the very “rose revolution” when an anti-constitutional coup was actually committed in the country, and Saakashvili sat in the presidential chair. It is obvious that such a person, who also managed to work for the deputy minister of state security of Georgia, can continue the course taken once by the father of the nation, Mikhail Nikolozovich. It is noteworthy that George Ugulava, like Saakashvili, received a Western education (which is probably the decisive factor for the modern leadership of Georgia), but before that he managed to finish, not a lot, Tbilisi Seminary ... Indeed, the new hero of Georgia is ready seminarist-atlantist: crossed himself and onward to NATO for help in restoring constitutional order in the region entrusted to him from overseas region.

Remarkably, all these opportunities for maneuver and Saakashvili, and Rasmussen provided something, in fact, Russia. After all, the Russian response to the military invasion of Georgian troops in South Ossetia can be considered extremely mild. If the Supreme Commander of Russia had not received an order to turn the Russian troops back, then there is no reason to doubt that Georgia would have another president today who would not be eager to join NATO. “Peace enforcement” would take place in full ... However, the Russian side, which the same Saakashvili calls the invader and the aggressor, did not go to Tbilisi, and only for accomplishing this alone, Mikhail Nikolozovich, must be secretly praying from his entourage his presidential office ...

But sometimes, in truth, you think about it, or maybe in vain, then in August, the 2008 of the Russian army commanded “hang up”. Maybe it was worth Mikhail Saakashvili “face-to-face” explaining that he was wrong, and then surely “Good bye, genatsvale!” ... Obviously, today the Georgian leader shook himself off, dried his laundry and again was determined to administer democratic principles, which weekly come to him in an envelope with the image of a bald eagle on the official seal.

Materials used:
http://www.newsgeorgia.ru/politics/20120320/214842752.html
http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/georgia/22-05-2012/1115839-gruzia_nato-0/
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/05/22/nato/
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  1. Ataturk
    +28
    26 May 2012 08: 14
    Well well, the FLAG in the hands and goodbye of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
    Hmm. All the same, I signed a contract to make a landfill between the Caucasus and Russia from the Caucasus. And the people to slavery. Mdaaa.
    1. nitro
      -76
      26 May 2012 11: 23
      The plan to prevent Georgia from joining NATO, which has been so hard won by "galleymen", is crumbling right before our eyes! How much money was spent by Russian taxpayers, how much slop was poured on their own ears, how much they shook the air and banged their fists on the table - and this is such a grandiose bummer (the mongrel yaps - the caravan goes its own way, according to the intended path). Mr Saakashvili can only be congratulated - literally in his teeth he is pulling Georgia into the family of civilized countries, under the wildest opposition of "diplomats" with FSB and brutal lol
      We wish him good luck in this difficult matter! By the way, the police are good in Georgia, well done, thanks for the work. good
      1. Aleksey67
        +26
        26 May 2012 11: 32
        Quote: nitro
        The plan to prevent Georgia from joining NATO, which has been so hard-won by "galleymen", is crumbling right before our eyes!

        We will see wink Read how NATO trainers about Georgians respond. They will be accepted, so they will all collapse NATO from the inside laughing
        Quote: nitro
        How much money was spent by Russian taxpayers,

        You better calculate how much "American taxpayer" money has been poured into this territorial entity laughing By the way, in 2013 Georgia to pay more than a billion dollars on debts laughing
        Quote: nitro
        Mr Saakashvili can only be congratulated - literally in his teeth he is pulling Georgia into the family of civilized countries, under the wildest opposition of "diplomats" with FSB and brutal

        Here you have beguiled the role of Mishiko, he "sucks" the Western leaders wassat for Georgia to be recognized as European democracy laughing
        1. yards
          -50
          26 May 2012 13: 11
          All the ironies and anecdotes about the "countries" that have recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, not in their legitimacy, but in the NAME of these "countries" and their "weight" in world politics and economics! Take off your "pink" glasses and do not disgrace the whole world!
          The vast majority of countries in the world, regardless of their "color", DO NOT RECOGNIZE such artificial formations and do not recognize them for natural reasons!
          An urban-type settlement (the capital) and two dozen small villages in the mountains - this is not a country, do not consider the whole world idiots! It's ridiculous to talk about their "economy".
          But the fact that this whole story was aimed only at preventing Georgia from joining NATO using the principles of this organization is already clear to the entire civilized world community!
          Certain conclusions are drawn for the future and work continues - Georgia WILL be in NATO, as if someone did not want this. The process is not reversible and natural
          1. Oleg0705
            +12
            26 May 2012 13: 19
            Quote: yardie
            The process is not reversible and natural



            The process is very reversible, and you will see for yourself in the near future.
            Everything is back to square one.
          2. +3
            26 May 2012 13: 22
            Georgia WILL BE in NATO, as if someone did not want this. The process is not reversible and natural “Do you act as a guarantor there?”
          3. pribolt
            +5
            26 May 2012 15: 43
            In the world there are countries with even smaller territory and nothing is recognized.
          4. beard999
            +26
            26 May 2012 16: 04
            Quote: yardie
            The vast majority of countries in the world, regardless of their "color", DO NOT RECOGNIZE such artificial formations

            Abkhazians and Ossetians are absolutely indifferent to the number of countries that have recognized their independence. They are recognized by Russia, which guarantees their sovereignty. This is quite enough for them. And the reliability of Russia's guarantees, Abkhazians and Ossetians, have already been appreciated - the United States, coupled with other camarilla, despite the constant cries of “territorial integrity of Georgia,” cannot really do it, with the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. All these lamentations about not being recognized by “the majority of countries in the world” are the only things they can console themselves with. More then they still are not able to do anything ...
          5. Korvin
            +7
            26 May 2012 17: 13
            And why let me know this makes you so happy? As a member of NATO, the first thing Saakashvili does is try to regain Abkhazia and South Ossetia by force (he will have enough adventurism and political madness) and it will strike at Russian citizens .. after which Russia will be forced to strike in a country that is already a member of NATO ... after which NATO will have no choice but to start a war with Russia ... so instead of having fun banging on the clave, go and buy canned goods and ammunition and dig a bunker .... ..
            1. +1
              26 May 2012 17: 52
              No, hardly. Adventures there do not support. NATO is likely to be a deterrent in this regard.
            2. +4
              27 May 2012 10: 57
              Kurvin, have you already argued that Mishiko will provoke NATO into a conflict with Russia ?! To do this, he needs to eat a special tie shop !! And not like NATO, like some commentators, to get into a scam because of Sukashvili.
              1. -1
                27 May 2012 15: 59
                it’s true, they will immediately put him on a short leash until the right time: yes, he is already used as a destabilizing-irritating factor.
            3. 0
              27 May 2012 15: 57
              as soon as Georgia enters NATO, it loses independence of decisions. The decision will be made by the joint committee of chiefs of staff, and any attempt to open fire will lead to the start of hostilities between NATO and Russia ............. Who will go to this?
              1. Don
                0
                28 May 2012 17: 10
                Quote: hert
                as soon as Georgia enters NATO, it loses independence of decisions.

                She had long ago, at the end of 2004, lost the opportunity to decide something.
            4. rolik
              +1
              27 May 2012 23: 22
              as soon as the first shots are fired, another pistol will sound. This is the cook of Mr. Kakashvili, who will shoot him in the back of the head. Because he will carry out the order from the city of Washington, "They shoot mad dogs."
            5. Shulz-1955
              0
              25 July 2012 07: 55
              For the sake of Georgia, no one takes it, for nothing. There are no resources
          6. Cadet787
            +6
            26 May 2012 18: 14
            yards.
            All NATO mongrels were ordered to "lie down, they are afraid" and not show signs of life.
          7. +9
            26 May 2012 18: 40
            Quote: yardie
            An urban-type village (capital) and two dozen small villages in the mountains is not a country

            Luxembourg, the Vatican .... I don’t think so. Well, yes, of course, they are in Europe.
            Quote: yardie
            civilized world community

            The civilization of society is a relative concept. Reasoning that some part of the population on earth is more civilized implies that this part is more privileged. Something on the ideology of the Nazis mows.
            1. 0
              28 May 2012 11: 19
              So they are fascists, oh excuse the Nazis.
          8. speedy
            +4
            26 May 2012 18: 56
            The striped uncle will soon empty the feeder, and the British, too, so that only unnatural processes are expected, but it will be interesting to observe ...
          9. +3
            26 May 2012 19: 53
            yardie
            that is, for you, the definition of a country applies only to territories with a capital with a population of 25.000 or more? Not guessed from 50.000? An interesting, and most importantly very progressive approach. I have to erase a dozen states from the map ...
            As for the naturalness of the process of Georgia’s entry into NATO, it’s not worth shaking. The process is clearly artificial, politically motivated, like the block itself, and the word itself is inappropriate to apply in this case. Predicting anything here is a thankless task. As they say, the grandmother said in two.
            1. +1
              26 May 2012 19: 59
              And add, by the way, NATO - the North Atlantic Alliance. And here (in the geographical sense of the word) Georgia and many others?
          10. bamboo
            0
            26 May 2012 20: 04
            ABOUT !!! one more ...
          11. 77bor1973
            -1
            26 May 2012 20: 30
            is there a smaller state in Europe, but the whole world, is that NATO? Yes, and this whole story was aimed at making Georgia Saakashvili understand that he will not have a second attempt and the process is not reversible and natural
          12. Setevik
            +2
            26 May 2012 22: 54
            Quote: yardie
            Georgia WILL BE IN NATO

            Then, Pi z dets to the whole world - there will be a massacre.
            Hopefully your fucking aircraft carrier is one of the first to be buried.
            Do not think, I’m just like you, I’m saying all this with a smile and faith in democracy. )))
          13. Fox 070
            +1
            27 May 2012 01: 38
            Quote: yardie
            Certain conclusions are drawn for the future and work continues

            Well, it’s hard to disagree with this, only the conclusions are different: you couldn’t talk with him, and the work will be different - feed Saakashvili with satiety ties. We would like to accept Georgia into NATO, we would have long ago accepted it as the countries of the former socialist. camps. And now this is already used material. And I also agree with the naturalness of the process, d ... mo should come out naturally.
          14. +1
            27 May 2012 06: 22
            Quote: yardie
            The process is not reversible and natural

            This is when you sit in the toilet. Judging by you, there you have serious research going on. I'm sorry. I can help to organize the export of magnesium sulfate of the highest standard. To speed up research.
            Andorra, Liechtenstein, the Vatican doesn’t cause laughter? And ... they already supply paper for experiments. Sorry Professor!
          15. +1
            27 May 2012 11: 19
            but you can find out what will give rodents accession to NATO, is it really protection from Russia? it is now on the map of Georgia there will appear points of delivering preemptive strikes by Russia on ports, means of communication and roads. Now Russia has every right to send Georgia to the 14th century. 14th century Europe is interesting to see laughing
          16. rauf
            0
            27 May 2012 11: 20
            and what is your Kosovo better ???
          17. vpm
            vpm
            0
            27 May 2012 13: 07
            Quote: yardie
            But the fact that this whole story was aimed only at preventing Georgia from joining NATO using the principles of this organization is already clear to the entire civilized world community!

            The world civilized community uses small Georgia, which will join NATO at the cost of its lands. Russia bit off Abkhazia and North. Ossetia, now Azerbaijan will eat up from the other side. But Georgia has territorial disputes, or may subsequently arise, with Armenia and, in the future, Turkey if the latter dare. And NATO Georgia is needed only in one capacity - an unsinkable aircraft carrier in an attack on Iran.
          18. Evgeny B.
            0
            27 May 2012 14: 14
            yards -
            It would be better if you forgot the Russian language and did not disgrace Russia.
            1. -1
              27 May 2012 16: 04
              yes let the dog yap
          19. +1
            27 May 2012 15: 36
            The vast majority of countries in the world, regardless of their "color", DO NOT RECOGNIZE such artificial formations and do not recognize them for natural reasons! -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
            ---------------------------------------------- Yes, we wanted to spit to your non-recognition! and when we want to kick in the ass we will give and acknowledge!
          20. M. Peter
            0
            27 May 2012 16: 22
            Quote: yardie
            An urban-type settlement (the capital) and two dozen small villages in the mountains - this is not a country, do not consider the whole world idiots! It's ridiculous to talk about their "economy".

            Vova, here I am, let’s better join the Russian Federation. wink
          21. 0
            27 May 2012 17: 21
            On the willow tree, sometimes such small funny birds-NAVNYAK nest. Here's a bird THIS tweeted.
          22. +1
            27 May 2012 19: 46
            Quote: yardie
            Certain conclusions are drawn for the future and work continues - Georgia WILL be in NATO, as if someone did not want this. The process is not reversible and natural

            It will be, of course, only everything superfluous will be cut off from it
          23. +1
            27 May 2012 23: 30
            Do you want a hemorrhoid for yourself? Take Saakashvili to NATO. Believe me, then this will not make you feel any better.
          24. phantom359
            +1
            28 May 2012 12: 32
            yardsYes, let it be in NATO. Sitting in one shit, fit in another. Just don’t forget that in the event of a serious upheaval, the former will be freshly baked by the NATO and raking in full. Georgians are sorry, a lot of friends, great guys. With rare exceptions, but the family is not without a freak.
          25. 0
            28 May 2012 16: 14
            That is, the fact that they recognized the independence of Kosovo is normal. And the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is not so legitimate. You have an interesting logic "comrade"
          26. Don
            0
            28 May 2012 17: 08
            Quote: yardie
            An urban-type settlement (the capital) and two dozen small villages in the mountains - this is not a country, do not consider the whole world idiots! It's ridiculous to talk about their "economy".

            laughing In your opinion, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Luxembourg, Andorra, Monaco, Bhutan, Singapore, Swaziland, Qatar, Lesotho, Bahrain are not recognized small states, with urban settlements and a couple of villages ?!
            Quote: yardie
            Georgia WILL BE in NATO, as if someone did not want this.

            I remember when Mishiko came to power, he said that Georgia will join NATO in 2-3 years, and already 8 years have passed.
          27. Municipality
            +1
            28 May 2012 18: 53
            Georgia WILL BE in NATO, as if someone didn’t want this

            RUSSIA WILL ALSO BE ON AND IN THE MOST NETHERLANDS - Here Together We Laugh
      2. pribolt
        +4
        26 May 2012 16: 05
        Georgia to NATO! Unlikely. Yes, and Georgia will not win much from this, except that they will send from NATO all the old junk that has already been written off in other NATO armies, I saw how it is in the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) all sorts of old armored personnel carriers, tanks, jeeps that you can't look at without pain perhaps all the time there are thoughts "will they reach the scrap metal or have to drag it"
        1. 755962
          +1
          26 May 2012 16: 22
          And here the Georgian leader himself falls into a trap: due to the fact that Russia, naturally, will not withdraw its troops from Abkhazia and South Ossetia (at least in the next few years), the internal territorial conflict for Georgia will not be resolved. This means that “Old Europe” still will not vote for Georgia’s membership in NATO. It turns out that Tbilisi will have to abandon either its obsession with getting into the Alliance, or its territorial claims to Sukhum and Tskhinval. Obviously, neither the one nor the other is unacceptable today for Mikhail Saakashvili. After all, the current Georgian leader is pulling his country under the NATO wing in order to conduct another "victorious" war.
      3. Cadet787
        +2
        26 May 2012 16: 14
        Nitro
        In this whole story you and your beloved Georgians look mongrel. And Georgia, you need to remember when she takes out her atrophied tip, whom she is pointing him to. One thing is a pity that Mishiko was not hanged by the legs in Tbilisi, but there will be something else.
        1. +6
          26 May 2012 17: 39
          Thank you very much to Alexei for the words at the very beginning of the article! I am delighted! For a long time I was trying to determine Saakashvili’s ststus on the political Olympus and everything didn’t work out, and Alexey determined it to be a swindle - a SWISS and a GUARDIAN in the NATO hallway, whose task is to take the cloak from the owner’s shoulder and not claim more!
      4. +1
        26 May 2012 17: 34
        Nothing Saves Georgia am
      5. bamboo
        +3
        26 May 2012 20: 02
        I don’t look, you always write one crap !!!
        as they say go-home from the site (as it will be more understandable will be an American mongrel)
      6. 77bor1973
        0
        26 May 2012 20: 16
        the fact of the matter is that all of these Rasmussen passes mean nothing unless something extraordinary happens! Miho has few options!
        1. Aleksey67
          +2
          26 May 2012 20: 19
          Quote: 77bor1973
          the fact of the matter is that all of these Rasmussen passes mean nothing unless something extraordinary happens! Miho has few options!

          I think that these Rasmussen passes mean another increase in the Georgian contingent in Afghanistan. Someone must cover escape NATO withdrawal winked
      7. 0
        27 May 2012 05: 58
        Listen .... if only you would forget the language or something ..... otherwise you use an "uncivilized language"! And then when the excavations of "civilized countries" will produce about 700 years later, the descendants will be surprised: "Where could these ancient civilizations have got the centers of higher culture?"
      8. +2
        27 May 2012 10: 36
        ABOUT! Has appeared "hurray patriot" of america, nitro, and will now lay down on the bones, protecting the satellites of his beloved America. Why America with a small letter, because America is the mainland, and you can only swear at America (S-SH-P) for its peacekeeping, "you understand." And, if S-Sh-P (United States of scum) is great, it is only a "great bastard."
      9. 0
        27 May 2012 15: 48
        (mongrel yapping - the caravan goes its own way, according to the intended path) ------------------------------------- ------------------------------- about the mongrel it is very clearly said, this is just Mishiko! but about the teeth pulls Georgia, as it were the teeth have not broken off! The US will stop giving loans, again they will bow to Russia -! "SAVE, THE TURKS ARE OFFENING!"
        1. -2
          27 May 2012 16: 09
          and what is it worth to the Americans to dump the next fool, the next half a ton of painted paper
      10. Insurgent
        0
        27 May 2012 22: 59
        Well done, only the audience is small so that your bunch is not read by the masses
      11. 0
        27 May 2012 23: 28
        You shouldn't be hysterically happy about the small "victories" of the tie-expert. It remains to be seen how this will end for Georgia itself and for the "invincible" crap-carrying NATO bloc. Maybe someone's plans are crumbling, but only the skulls of others will pop when the American fosterling is allowed into NATO, and perhaps yours will crack.
      12. phantom359
        0
        28 May 2012 12: 28
        nitro, I was a fool - a fool and you will die a bedding Americanosovskaya.
    2. pribolt
      0
      28 May 2012 06: 38
      http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/431444.html
  2. YARY
    +6
    26 May 2012 08: 18
    maybe in euphoria again climb into trouble!
    1. +5
      26 May 2012 11: 08
      Beneficial or not, most likely will have to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And after the recognition, Misha Saakashvili will not be euphoric smile Only now, again, it can do bad, from grief sad
      1. +3
        26 May 2012 14: 38
        Quote: Priboi
        Only now, again, it can do bad, from grief

        In South-Eastern Military District, they are preparing for this in full.
      2. Evgeny B.
        +1
        27 May 2012 14: 28
        Priboi,
        Quote: Priboi
        Only now, again, it can do bad, from grief

        What, really, is now publicly obscured?
  3. zevs379
    +11
    26 May 2012 08: 22
    After Georgia joins NATO will Germany and France remain there?
    1. Sergh
      +17
      26 May 2012 08: 54
      Well, at the expense of France, I don’t know, but Germany has been turning her nose for a long time.
      But Georgia can be at least in three NATOs, not a single country is behind it, even the Americans will not harness it, of course, it can go further behind the fence and stand looking through binoculars, but no one will fit a cannon shot, because they immediately fall into a stupor at the word Russia. And Narc Sahak can easily be travailed, knowing in advance that he will be torn into a small enema like a heating pad, but there will be another reason to hiss fearlessly, all the bread.
    2. Tjumenec72
      +10
      26 May 2012 09: 48
      zevs379 Germany and France will come out -
      and NATO will be like a gang of a seasoned felon and twenty street children)
  4. Yarbay
    +8
    26 May 2012 08: 31
    ** By the way, it can hardly be said that after 2013 Georgia’s policy regarding zeal for NATO may change ** - These are important words!
    the question is not only and not so much in Saakashvili, but how much such sentiments are already there !!
  5. Ataturk
    +15
    26 May 2012 08: 34
    I'm afraid if Georgia repeats 08 08 08, then Georgia will no longer be there. Although a member of NATO, at least someone will start a mess. Which I said ...

    The Caucasus will become a testing ground between east and west.
    1. volodj
      +1
      28 May 2012 07: 52
      I do not think that Georgia will go to a military conflict with Russia. A more likely scenario, in my opinion, is the replacement by the Americans of not shaking hands and poorly predicted Saakashvilli with another, more adequate opposition leader who can (for the sake of joining NATO) recognize realistically existing borders (without Abkhazia and South Ossetia), flood Georgia with dollars and breakaway republics themselves will want to join this holiday.
  6. ANTURAG
    +3
    26 May 2012 08: 41
    In NATO, too, they are not stupid, therefore they understand what such a regular conflict could result in if Georgia is accepted there. Therefore, invisible sake no Nata.
    1. Ataturk
      +11
      26 May 2012 08: 50
      The fact for the West is not involving its conflict but how to chop off the country from under the influence of Russia. That is what their victory now is. They tore off the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine, not fish, not meat, but Dad and others by themselves.
  7. +12
    26 May 2012 09: 02
    It is ironic that 6 countries recognized Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is enough that Russia has recognized. Georgia promises a lot of sweet bones, but what will they give? Promises are good because you can forget about them.
    1. Yarbay
      -5
      26 May 2012 09: 06
      Did Alexander win Russia by acquiring Abkhazia and South Ossetia, having lost Georgia ????
      I think a big question !!
      And the answer for a reasonable person is clear !!
      1. +17
        26 May 2012 09: 36
        Quote: Yarbay
        did Russia win by acquiring Abkhazia and South Ossetia-having lost Georgia ????

        Dear day, Alibek! Russia lost Georgia long before 08.08.08, starting from the times of the Belovezhskaya toothlessness and the super loyalty of the well-known and "revered" "Drago race". Already in those troubled years, all the "kings" of post-Soviet Georgia, starting from Shevardnadze, then D. Dudayev's best comrade Gamsakhurdia, and ending with such an odious and unique figure of political Olympus as Saakashvili saw in Russia only a donor but not a brother and friend. As for the acquisition of Russia, Russia retained its face and the prestige of a great power. This is the most important and basic.
        Russia's strategic position has improved. In combat conditions, part of the regular troops was run in. We got the opportunity to deploy radars on the southern slopes of the Caucasus and improve the information support of their air defense. In the event of a large defensive war, of course, this territory will be difficult to keep, well, it can be temporarily abandoned. It is not at all necessary to place strategic enterprises and a large grouping there, which will get into the environment after the destruction of the tunnel. An extra pawn in the big game will not hurt.
        1. Yarbay
          -4
          26 May 2012 11: 17
          Good afternoon Victor!
          the fact that ** Russia lost Georgia long before 08.08.08., starting from the times of Belovezhskaya toothlessness and the super loyalty of the well-known and "revered" "Drago raseanin". ** I do not quite agree with this statement of yours !!
          It would be more correct to say, it was starting to lose, and 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX-finally fixed the loss!
          and the rest you have written is also much more controversial, but a definite look!
          I think we must now think a lot how to return!
          with respect!
          1. IGR
            IGR
            +1
            26 May 2012 20: 44
            Dear Alibek!
            Can we recall the times of Gamsakhurdia and Elchibey, in addition to the "dragov raseanin"? Or back in the USSR? Maybe even earlier?
            We all lost not countries - people, those old homo soveticus in a decent sense.
            Together with our "New women will give birth" and post-Soviet "we ourselves with a mustache - enough to feed Moscow."
            Our minus - we are not yet the Empire, their minus - they are no longer in the Empire.
            A very "want to seem" involved in all necrodemocratic affairs (from the word to share).
            1. Yarbay
              +5
              26 May 2012 21: 44
              Igor!
              both Gamsakhardia and Elchibey are products of the Kremlin’s policy!
              I remember very well that no one would follow them if the Kremlin had the right policy!
              By their unprofessional actions and decisions, politicians from the Kremlin gave them a present !!
              but constantly pulling the leaders of the republics and making the wrong political moves, pushing for separatism and extremism, they killed their authority among the people !!
              1. IGR
                IGR
                +4
                26 May 2012 22: 35
                Dear Alibek!
                It turns out again 25. The Big Brother fell. The younger brothers-mischievous misbehaved - the elder overlooked, however.
                And the "products of the Kremlin's policy" - the beginning: democratic national euphoria ......... tears and blood - in the finale. They could no longer give anything, curb anyone, indulge anyone - they were already impotent and trying to do something in Riga, Vilnius, they simply killed their own people as well.
                IMHO: That's when it started openly.
      2. +6
        26 May 2012 12: 29
        Alibek, what are you talking about? Russia certainly did not lose. Sane people understand this.
      3. Cadet787
        0
        26 May 2012 18: 18
        Alibek, and when she had it, it was not from a good life that Rosstya made such an acquisition.
      4. Common sense
        -1
        26 May 2012 20: 00
        And what is the answer?
      5. Evgeny B.
        +1
        27 May 2012 14: 38
        Alibek, the trouble is that as a result of the collapse of the Union, no one except the atlantists won. Only now they do not want to believe in it and continue to play democracy and look for new owners, thinking that all the same, happiness will smile. But these dreams are empty.
      6. +2
        27 May 2012 16: 14
        What does it mean? Georgia has been a dependency since Soviet times, they just got rid of a parasite.
  8. Oleg0705
    +6
    26 May 2012 09: 03
    Maybe it's time to apply point injections such as aladuda?
  9. +10
    26 May 2012 09: 18
    Friends, let's not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. firstly, in August 08 we did not go to Tbilisi exactly because of why we did not go to Istanbul in 1878. Do not flatter yourself. We could not take Sahak by the scruff of the neck. There would be problems in full already with NATO. It is good that our leadership then understood this and wrapped it in their favor, showing our peacefulness. As for current affairs, it is certainly doubtful that the power option will be repeated.
    I think the emphasis will be on the so-called "broad gesture". Mishka recognizes the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, after which he resigns. All this is being heralded with great fanfare. The world media from all angles are screaming about the triumph of democracy "this is what we democrats did, not that you are Russians from Kosovo." Or even cooler "the nation's right to self-determination is above all else" Double standards, what can you do about it. By the way, this move will add fuel to the fire kindled by our nationalities. Like the whole world thinks so. Well, after recognition, the issue of borders and territorial integrity was removed, and Georgia was immediately taken to NATO. NATE after all, absolutely on the drum for the size of Georgia. Let Tbilisi consist of at least one, do not care. If only there was enough land for the base.
    That's all. As the saying goes "Finite la comedy."
    We are in the priest, we also wiped our nose.
    I am absolutely sure that this is a very long multi-way. And unfortunately, we are still losing the "war for Georgia". Well, this is not surprising. We have never been strong in Intrigue. This is the Trump card of the Anglo-Saxons. After all, the experience of centuries.
    1. Neighbor
      +4
      26 May 2012 09: 58
      Quote: volkan
      There would be problems in full already with NATO

      What problems to the fullest! What are you saying! Amer out of all those who want to bend down, destroy and do not advise anyone. And here - where to you.
      Problems. laughing
      What would they be able to do to us? Really, if you judge! They would have gone - yes, they have died out.
      Winners are not judged. And the strong do not ask for weak permissions. - the law of life, the law of Nata! belay Yes
      Quote: volkan
      And unfortunately, so far we are losing the "war for Georgia"

      Well this is - finally. You are bent - nowhere else to go.
      Quote: volkan
      We are in the priest, we also wiped our nose.
      wassat wassat
      1. Sergh
        +6
        26 May 2012 10: 18
        volcano, well surprised, so surprised! If Mishiko recognizes South Ossetia and Abkh, then the West remains in ... opera, because they will have to automatically recognize them all over the world, and in order to establish a NATO base, the whole West will have to recognize them first of all, but here victory is already in sight ...
        1. 0
          26 May 2012 16: 16
          Dear Sergh !!! You are definitely confusing something. There is no shame to the West, because the West (officially) has nothing to do with this conflict. But Georgia is not included in any Western alliances. So, as they say decency observed.
      2. 0
        26 May 2012 16: 13
        Dear Neighbor. I did not have a problem in the form of "nuclear confrontation" I meant precisely the possibility of exposing us Ultimatums over which we would think. It was not for nothing that I drew an analogy with the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. We could have taken Istanbul and gained control of the Bosphorus, but what happened? Read it. History is an instructive thing. It says and satiates the "winners" and about much else. There is no need to engage in hating. You have to really look at things.
    2. Yarbay
      +3
      26 May 2012 11: 23
      Andrew!!
      It is even possible, given the fact that in Georgia they understand quite a lot that those territories were lost!
      But can they accept it?
      Here I think it is possible propaganda among the population that ** the enemy is too strong and it is better to lose part of the country, but save Georgia! **
    3. M. Peter
      +3
      27 May 2012 16: 41
      Quote: volkan
      Friends, let's not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. firstly, in August 08 we didn’t go to Tbilisi exactly

      I’m thinking, because the president was soft-bodied. I don’t harass Medvedev, but in such things he is far from Putin. If Putin had been Putin instead of Medvedev in 2008, Tbilisi would have been taken in a short time.
  10. +10
    26 May 2012 10: 39
    With a feeling of resentment and powerlessness, every year, 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, we, residents of a resort town in southern Ukraine, observe a uniform Sabbath organized by members of the Georgian diaspora living in our city. In the evening, waving the flags of Georgia, continuously honking, shouting that -So in Georgian, they are celebrating (as I understand it) victory in that war? !! That is, they turned the "operation to bend over to the world" successfully carried out by Russia into their victory? The inhabitants, with their mouths open, are watching this orgy, many do not even understand the essence of what is happening. It's sad, gentlemen ...
    1. Aleksey67
      +7
      26 May 2012 10: 52
      Quote: Borz
      With a feeling of resentment and powerlessness, every year, 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, we, residents of a resort town in southern Ukraine, observe a uniform sabbath, which is arranged by members of the Georgian diaspora living in our city.


      Borz, this is already a mentality wink Georgians have always been "under the strong", but they have always considered themselves "strong and formidable" hence the habit of seeing their "victory" in everything. On 08.08.08, they won a "victory", as they believe, by "revenging" the South Ossetians for the "expulsion" of their relatives. The fact that at the same time a peaceful city was shelled from the NWF and Russian peacekeepers were killed fades into the background, as well as how this "victory" ended. However, Pushkin's phrase "timid Georgians fled" has confirmed its relevance laughing
      1. +9
        26 May 2012 10: 58
        "timid Georgians were running" - Well, yes, well, there is nothing to add here. Ah! Alexander Sergeevich, dear! good
        1. +7
          26 May 2012 11: 42
          Borz,
          "timid Georgians were running" - Well, yes, well, there is nothing to add here. Ah! Alexander Sergeevich, dear!

          For reasons of political correctness, the line was changed:
          "The brave Georgians fled!" laughing

          But seriously, Mishiko merges the west, waste material. And there is no unanimity in NATO, Spain, for example, will never recognize Kosovo, referring to its separatists - the Basques, and indeed the Catalans.
    2. speedy
      +5
      26 May 2012 19: 19
      Well, why is it sad, can you imagine - the war, the Georgians are winning, Saakashvili eats his tie with joy and the announcer triumphantly: "Hurray! The enemy is running after us in panic! .."
  11. Jeen
    -24
    26 May 2012 10: 57
    What a tearful, tearful, scratchy soul smile
    So I want to give the author a batiste handkerchief, and wipe the little pieces mixed with tears
    Hug and cry!
    1. +2
      27 May 2012 23: 34
      But shaw is not in your native language verb? Or can we crap only in Russian?
  12. Stasi.
    +2
    26 May 2012 10: 57
    Saakashvili’s fate is resolved - he will be replaced in the presidential election. The West will not refuse to play Georgia against Russia in its game, for this a new president is needed, since the current one has completely discredited itself. He is just serving his number.
  13. +5
    26 May 2012 11: 16
    Quote: Yarbay
    Did Alexander win Russia by acquiring Abkhazia and South Ossetia, having lost Georgia ????

    I won, first of all, because I acted honestly. I don’t care about "pragmatism", nations should act honestly, even though this is no longer "fashionable" from a liberal point of view. The strong pounced on the weak, who was hoping for us, and we stood up. In my opinion, this is correct in itself and there is nothing to calculate the benefits here.
  14. +1
    26 May 2012 11: 17
    Bear needs American bases near the border like a shield. It is understandable we will not strike until they are there unequivocally. But Mishka, on a drunken occasion, will arrange vouchers on the borders that will clog NATO, But Ossetin and Abkhaztsev are sorry! They can become a bargaining chip and a hepathetic zone of possible conflicts.
  15. +12
    26 May 2012 11: 23
    I believe that Russia needs to clearly and unequivocally state its position on Georgia. Let it be tough, nothing - swallow, not choke ...
    Declare that the territory of Georgia is in the zone of strategic interests of Russia
    In the event of NATO entry, Russia in any local conflict with Georgia, will inflict a crushing military blow to it regardless of.
    In the event of any aggression on the part of the NATO countries against Russia, this will be regarded as the beginning of the 3rd World War.
    The military doctrine of Russia is well known to all.
    In general, the meaning should be like that. Strong and uncompromising ...
    Announce it loudly to the whole world.
    What do you think will happen? For the sake of one more base, another NATO member to escalate? Europe immediately "breaks down", but the States, they are a little later. Whatever one may say, they also respect strength ...
    1. Prophet Alyosha
      0
      26 May 2012 12: 48
      So and only so !!! And yet, Russia must learn from its "partners" to organize coups in countries included in such a zone. Moreover, the people of Georgia are drawn to Russia.
    2. Common sense
      +2
      26 May 2012 20: 01
      World War III for Georgia?
      1. +3
        26 May 2012 20: 09
        World War I for Serbia ???
        1. Ortrega
          -3
          27 May 2012 17: 54
          The second, by the way, is also due to Serbia.
          1. +2
            27 May 2012 18: 57
            Am I missing something in a history lesson ?! The second, as far as I know, started from Poland.
  16. +2
    26 May 2012 11: 46
    It's hard to write from the phone, here with corrections ...

    I believe that Russia needs to clearly and unequivocally state its position on Georgia. Let it be tough, nothing - swallow, not choke ...
    To state that the territory of Georgia is in the zone of strategic interests of Russia.
    If NATO joins, Russia will inflict a crushing military strike on it in any local conflict with Georgia ..
    In the event of any aggression on the part of the NATO countries against Russia, this will be regarded as the beginning of the 3rd World War.
    For the sake of preserving peace, Russia calls on NATO countries to continue to take into account Russia's national interests and recommends against invading under any pretext and not aggravating the situation in the security zones, the so-called "red line" zones.
    The military doctrine of Russia is well known to all.

    In general, the meaning should be like that. Strong and uncompromising ...
    Announce it loudly to the whole world.
    What do you think will happen? For the sake of one more base, another NATO member to escalate? Europe immediately "breaks down", but the States, they are a little later. Whatever one may say, they also respect strength ...
  17. +3
    26 May 2012 12: 46
    The second time they won’t climb, but if they turn up, we’ll break such Lyuli that the 8th year will seem like a holiday to them. Those who stay will celebrate on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. laughing
  18. lado-6060
    -11
    26 May 2012 12: 47
    Guys your confidence in GDP and Kalantarova aka Lavrova and they worry so much that they can’t eat. I congratulate all who love Georgia on Independence Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6HPpkcLcw4
    1. Yarbay
      -3
      26 May 2012 12: 58
      Dear Lado!
      I congratulate you and all your fellow citizens on the holiday!
      I sincerely wish you happiness and prosperity, as well as a peaceful sky !!
      General peace to all nations!
      1. lado-6060
        -9
        26 May 2012 13: 29
        THANKS. MAY BE SUCCESSFULLY CHECKED WITH FOOTBALL TOGETHER WITH AZERBAIJAN
        1. Yarbay
          -4
          26 May 2012 13: 34
          There are serious opponents in the person of Scotland, Wales and Ireland! Anglo-Saxons will be strongly supported!
          But I think we should try !!
          Turks can be written off 50 percent, they will try to win the Olympics!
          Break through))
          1. Eugene
            +2
            26 May 2012 21: 40
            And what did you file for the European Football Championship with Armenia?
        2. Aleksey67
          +7
          26 May 2012 13: 46
          Quote: lado-6060
          . MAY BE SUCCESSFUL TO CHEAD FOOTBALL TOGETHER WITH AZERBAIJAN

          Poor Azerbaijanis, such partners in the European Championships only look. They don’t know how the country is spelled correctly (we’ll write to illiteracy), Georgia does not belong to Europe (again illiteracy), but what kind of cones will they spend ???? smile

          The situation with the debt of Georgia is really very alarming. To date, Georgia has not yet made serious payments on it.. In accordance with the conditions under which Tbilisi received these funds, The main payments of both interest and the body of loans will fall on 2013-2014. Already in 2013 Georgia will have to pay a little less than $ 1 billion. This is a huge amount for the Georgian budget, accounting for about 10% of GDP or 25% of the Georgian budget. It exceeds all social expenditures combined, all investments in the country's economy in 2009 and is approximately equal to Georgia’s military budget in 2006-2007 fat for Tbilisi.

          For the sake of objectivity, it is worth saying that the volume of external debt is also not quite an absolute indicator. Here, it’s more important not even the amount of borrowing, but the commensurability of the attracted funds of the products produced in the country and the ability of the state to pay back the borrowed money. In Russian, this is called “living within our means” and where to get the money to pay off our debts.

          Where Georgia will get such money from is decidedly incomprehensible.

          Let's take a look at the foreign trade balance of Georgia. The volume of Georgian exports - less than $ 1,5 billion annually - this is extremely small compared to the total external public debt of the country and to pay it For about six years, Georgian state and private companies will have to spend all the money received from export only on its repayment, without the slightest domestic consumption, which is completely impossible. Georgia imports goods four times more than exports, which suggests that on the one hand she has nothing that would be in demand in the world and that she could sell, and on the other, that she does not produce anything for domestic consumption, but simply imports the necessary products and services , i.e. stupidly eating away loans, grants, money received from privatization and from investments.
          1. Yarbay
            -1
            26 May 2012 14: 48
            Hello Alexey !!
            I saw Lado's mistake, and not only in the name of my country, but also in the name of the competition!
            not European Championship, but World Championship!
            I’m just more than sure that Lado did this unofficially and seeing his forerunner posts where he did not offend anyone, I am sure of that!
            and if you wrote like that, I would point out a mistake, because I’m sure that you are rarely mistaken in such a case!
            1. lado-6060
              -3
              26 May 2012 15: 24
              I repent of the name of the country smile and applied for the European Championship wink
              1. Yarbay
                0
                26 May 2012 16: 04
                Accepted !!! I was also mistaken !!)) CHE !!!)
                But for some reason, while reading the text from yesterday, I read it incorrectly!)))))
            2. 0
              27 May 2012 15: 59
              I’m just more than sure that Lado did this unofficially and seeing his forerunner posts where he did not offend anyone, I am sure of that!
              and if you wrote like that, I would point out a mistake to you, because I’m sure that you are rarely mistaken in such a case! --------------------------- ------------------------------------------
              -------------------------------------------------- --Not specifically and the previous ones. RUSSIAN TEACHES ---- FIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. Aleksey67
      +9
      26 May 2012 13: 35
      Quote: lado-6060
      . I congratulate all who love Georgia with Independence Day

      What refused the appropriation of the State Department? Mishiko began to receive a salary from the budget of Georgia? Georgian soldiers removed from Afghanistan?
      You do not celebrate independence, but mourn your slavery winked
      1. +3
        26 May 2012 14: 13
        Quote: Aleksey67
        , Georgia does not apply to Europe

        Alexei, given the unique abilities of Mishiko’s showers, how long it will take him to give a command to the Georgian Civil Code on land and hard labor urgently to transfer Georgia to Europe laughing
        1. Aleksey67
          +3
          26 May 2012 14: 20
          Quote: Tersky
          considering all the quirks of Mishiko for a long time or something to give a command to the Georgian Civil Code on land and hard labor urgently transfer Georgia to Europe

          Victor really didn't think about it laughing Considering how spelling rules begin to act freely, to call yourself a European state without any problems at all. laughing By the way, I looked in Wiki and ofigel and Azerbaijan and Georgia are partially European countries with territories in Europe from 0% to 10%. wassat Can anyone explain to me such a "partial pregnancy"? Are these countries "wandering" to Europe or Asia? laughing
          1. +5
            26 May 2012 14: 35
            Quote: Aleksey67
            By the way, I looked in Wiki and ofigel and Azerbaijan and Georgia are partially European countries with territories in Europe from 0% to 10%.

            Well, "Vicki" who wants is the one who rules fool , so next time, don't be surprised if you read that Georgia is partly on the North American continent and partly pregnant from the USA laughing
            1. 0
              26 May 2012 14: 49
              division into Europe and Asia runs along the Ural Mountains
              1. +3
                26 May 2012 15: 26
                Quote: PSih2097
                division into Europe and Asia runs along the Ural Mountains

                Alexander, this is in the north, and we are talking about the south:
                * Red (A) shows the border adopted at the XX Congress of the International Geographical Union in London (1964). Orange shows all hypothetical, more precisely, controversial
      2. 0
        27 May 2012 12: 02
        let them celebrate their slavery bully
  19. Kolchak
    0
    26 May 2012 13: 25
    oh no good that's all ...
  20. McFly
    0
    26 May 2012 13: 47
    Hmm ... It’s strange that Mikhail Nikolozovich doesn’t understand that he’s not just a pawn, but even with pawn meadows in this game ???
  21. Voldemar
    +5
    26 May 2012 14: 18
    My comrade serves in the Latvian army, so he talked about the Georgian warriors - at the exercises they were equipped as rembo, but how it came to the point, it was horror - when moving over rough terrain, accompanying the convoy, they did not remove their fingers from the triggers, because for which shots were periodically distributed. By the end of the day, they got everyone. But when everyone returned to the barracks, a queue lined up to the computer, and all why - to look at porn ... the friend said that he had never seen such "warriors".
  22. lado-6060
    0
    26 May 2012 14: 21
    The total external debt of Georgia at the beginning of 2012 is 11.2 billion dollars (18.6 billion lari).

    Of these, $ 3.7 billion is the debt of the government sector, $ 815 million (7.3%) of the National Bank, $ 2.1 billion is the banking sector, $ 2.0 billion are other sectors, and 2.6 billion (23%) is debt between companies.

    95.2% of the total debt is denominated in foreign currency.
    $ 2,790 billion is a gold foreign exchange reserve. So the state will fall apart for itself and the banks - no one is going to save them
    1. Aleksey67
      +2
      26 May 2012 14: 37
      Quote: lado-6060
      Of these, $ 3.7 billion is the debt of the government sector, $ 815 million (7.3%) of the National Bank, $ 2.1 billion is the banking sector, $ 2.0 billion are other sectors, and 2.6 billion (23%) is debt between companies. 95.2% of the total debt denominated in foreign currency. $ 2,790 billion-gold foreign exchange reserve. so that the state will take hold of itself and banks - no one is going to save them

      Well, yes, good uncles are satisfied that they will be paid for the government sector and for the nat. bank, and the rest will be forgiven laughing

      Quote: lado-6060
      $ 2,790 billion is a gold foreign exchange reserve. So the state will fall apart for itself and the banks - no one is going to save them

      Read where it is and what it is made of
      The National Bank replenishes foreign exchange reserves through IMF loans, as well as part of the financial assistance provided to Georgia to overcome the consequences of the war with Russia over South Ossetia in August 2008when foreign exchange reserves fell to a minimum ($ 1,123 billion) due to the need to maintain the national currency as a result of capital flight.

      Currency reserves of the National Bank of Georgia are placed in securities with low risks, on deposits of foreign banks highly rated as well as on IMF accounts, and are presented in two currencies - 70 percent in US dollars, 30 percent - in euros.
    2. 0
      27 May 2012 12: 24
      do not forget about democratic interest
  23. +3
    26 May 2012 15: 48
    The situation reminds me of a parable about a donkey and a carrot. Tovarischa Saakhova is just shaken in front of a snout with a carrot and he goes where the cabman needs it.
  24. Imperialist
    +2
    26 May 2012 16: 15
    I don’t understand what is the problem?

    NATO has been saying the same thing for several years now.

    Saakashvili is the best option for Russia, it was he who returned the base in Transcaucasia to Russia, it was he who made it possible to create a buffer zone around Sochi.

    NATO is for Georgia exactly the same carrot as the EU for Ukria.

    Well, if something will threaten Russia's interests, that is, South-East Military District, this rink will roll everything.
  25. +1
    26 May 2012 16: 19
    Ataturk,
    I agree with Ataturk. If this happens, then the peoples living in the Caucasus will certainly remain in the black.
  26. pribolt
    +2
    26 May 2012 16: 24
    Alexei for the article + I like his style as he presents it. But sometimes it seems to me if it’s time for us to score on Saakashvilli, otherwise it’s not worth discussing him to comment on him at all. Maybe he should just be ignored, I don’t know, maybe I wrong, but time will put everything in its place.
  27. +2
    26 May 2012 16: 41
    Well, in general, it’s exactly what the war of the three eights began for. It was necessary to create a buffer between Russia and Georgia, which was soon to become a member of NATO
  28. lado-6060
    -4
    26 May 2012 17: 12
    fresh advise http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/vlast/82521-v-gruzii-96-del-zakanchivayutsya-dogov
    orom-s-criminal-com
  29. doctor3006
    -7
    26 May 2012 19: 27
    Dear Volodin, the author of the article, have you tried to broaden your horizons beyond the level of the First Channel of TV? In Georgia, corruption is almost defeated, unlike us, where it is exacerbated from year to year. So which country really cares about its citizens?
    1. Imperialist
      +2
      26 May 2012 19: 55
      Have you tried to expand your horizons beyond the echo level of Moscow and the new newspaper?

      "Virtually defeated corruption" is a real gem, probably stole from the Latin?

      Tell this to your Georgian gaster who send earned money to their homeland so that relatives do not starve to death.

      Tell this to the residents of Tbilisi who heat their apartments with stoves.

      In general, I advise all Georgians to go back to their prosperous Georgia, where pensions have now been raised to as much as $ 90,

      Well, not smart, huh?

      The fact that Mishiko dispersed the police and got a new one is nothing more than natural, when the department consists of 40 thousand people and their salaries are paid from abroad, then what is there to admire?

      If he hadn’t done this, he would have overthrown his own people already in 2007, only the personally loyal repressive apparatus gives him the opportunity to remain in power.

      Only geniuses like Latynina can compare the Georgian police with 40 thousand employees and the Russian police with 2 mil employees.
    2. 11Goor11
      +5
      26 May 2012 20: 03
      doctor3006
      Georgia almost defeated corruption



      All SMALL corruption defeated?
      Yes, in Ukraine, all the SMALL corruption is defeated,
      There are small and large fish in the pond,
      and small ate large.
      1. Aleksey67
        +2
        26 May 2012 20: 08
        Quote: 11Goor11
        All SMALL corruption defeated?

        She grew into a state

        The victory over corruption is another bluff of the Georgian government. Personally, I am deeply convinced that in Caucasian conditions it is impossible to defeat corruption in principle. The presence of strong power and very serious anti-corruption measures really undertaken by the government of Mikheil Saakashvili (for which honor and praise!) Led to a very sharp reduction in the traditional, visible part of corruption and its modification. Corruption in Georgia went up, becoming elite (which is recognized by the same international ratings), and changed below, partially legalizing and taking the form of introducing new paid services, pushing people, accepting gifts, etc.

        By the way, nepotism - nepotism and the provision of patronage to relatives and the right people - experts call as one of the reasons for the shameful flight of the Georgian army during the August war. When servicemen began to receive three times more than ordinary citizens, the prestige of army service rose and relatives and acquaintances began to be attached to it. In itself, this sharply reduced the requirements for training soldiers and the level of discipline. You need to know the Georgian mentality - how will uncle command his beloved nephew - the son of Manana’s sister? What will he demand from him? How to punish? While the work consisted of parades under five-star flags in second-hand American uniforms and in checking documents with unarmed and intimidated Iraqi peasants, things went on, but barely the real danger loomed on the horizon, as the family business suddenly cracked and all uncles and nephews threw weapons and quickly ran away.
    3. +5
      26 May 2012 21: 19
      Yeah, have you been to Batumi for a long time? Talk to the locals, they will tell you a lot about the "disappearance" of corruption, or rather, about its reformatting.
      1. lado-6060
        +1
        27 May 2012 13: 01
        here I am Batumets. tell me about corruption. I have good friends of various kinds. I repeat no one has come across this. It is said by those who spend days at a coffee shop and play backgammon and say that this is what the government does in dreams instead of building the infrastructure would give out this money and we hoo ... wink
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          27 May 2012 13: 07
          side
          I have been to Batumi before Misha and under Misha!
          Two different countries as if !!
          The first time I remember by 9 pm the city died out!
          I remember I was shocked by the number of syringes used on the pavement!
          bribes everywhere, banditry on the road!
          Now it’s quite like a European city !!
          You have to be objective, much has been done!
          1. Imperialist
            -1
            27 May 2012 22: 10
            There are no miracles in life and the Azerbaijani hydrocarbon reserves are being cut out and production is declining, since it has been mining for 100 years in this place forever.

            Similarly, there are no miracles in Georgia.

            All for loans and Turkish investments, the money will not be repelled.

            Georgia was so afraid of dependence on Russia that it became dependent on Turkey.

            There are many such blown economic miracles as in Georgia, an example of the Baltic states.

            You just need to understand the beautiful facades and the dedicated repressive apparatus does not change the essence.

            Well, the Georgian population will not live richer due to the fact that due to the constant sharp increase in debt, states began to feed the repressive apparatus better and built a beautiful facade.

            Well, this negative trade balance will not change.

            There will be none of Singapore, no matter how often Georgians call themselves Europeans, they will not become rich from this, but on the contrary only poorer.
  30. SoVIet ZiMBo_O
    0
    26 May 2012 19: 47
    beard999 a clown! The Vatican is not the largest state, with not the largest economy! And teach the definition of the state!
  31. Imperialist
    0
    26 May 2012 20: 38
    In general, you need to understand the principle of the attitude of the Russian leadership to the Mishiko.

    This principle

    "As Uncle Vova used to say: let them stay, otherwise they will send smart ones instead, then we will suffer with them."

    Mishiko is useful for Russia.

    Reminds me of Tymoshenko, who gave Russia a gorgeous gas contract that Russians could only dream of.
    1. 0
      27 May 2012 16: 34
      and what to give, they flooded the European gas that was paid. That's what forced them .............
  32. +3
    26 May 2012 21: 08
    The Russian Federation in 2008 hit enough snot, but overdressed warriors. Some political devils did not understand anything, because their own snot remained at the nose. Their real actions and statements just testify to the snotty of the policy being pursued. Therefore, they are in demand by the leadership of the so-called. "civilized" states carrying out the "peaceful" function of democratizing the Afghan, Iraqi and Libyan societies, aiming at Syria and Iran (let's not remember the 90s, this was already in the last century). The above cited economic indicators of Georgia, from which the question arises: where is the debtor to rock the boat? Naturally - to the creditor, i.e. seek to become a "member of society" of the creditor, and then (maybe) they will somehow knock off the debts. It is not for nothing that entot Mishiko studied in this, there they only teach something like that: get loans, live on credit, be dependent on the lender. belay
  33. ESCANDER
    +1
    26 May 2012 21: 36
    I remember that at one time, according to the zombie man, the camarilla of tie-makers was grateful to the leadership of the Russian Federation for non-interference in the "inside of Georgia" after the Rose Revolution (or whatever it was) ...
    It was a clear miscalculation.
    I would like to hope that such bullshit will not be allowed to shout “from the former” directly at our borders. And then again, "wet in sartier" will have to.
  34. +2
    26 May 2012 23: 17
    Shame Mishiko.
  35. +2
    27 May 2012 09: 43
    ESCANDER,
    and what do you want from a country that after the collapse of the USSR produces nothing except lavrushki). it’s necessary to adapt somehow. I think it’s not a secret for anyone that sooner or later Russia will face NATO (like in WW1 - an attempt on the Archduke), or something else. And in order not to become a colony conquered, they now want to become a territorial colony. something like that...
  36. +2
    27 May 2012 10: 45
    Quote: Prophet Alyosha
    And yet, Russia must learn from its "partners" to organize coups in countries included in such a zone.

    Come on, his fig, these "quiet" affairs and intrigues. This is not ours, hai others are engaged in such abominations. Otherwise we'll get carried away, we'll become like England, which is just special in these intrigues, and what's good? There was Great Britain with a third of the globe in the form of colonies, but it has become just England - a small island state, about which their former US colony is wiping its feet with might and main, and the rest of the world somehow does not really take into account. God marks rogue, for all the mean deeds of the rulers then the whole country is calculated. By the way, Ancient Rome, and after it Byzantium, too, somehow got carried away with the petty policy of playing off some peoples against others, and they also somehow bent down. It turns out that it is better to fight honestly, like the same Germans, than to secretly stir up something.
  37. +1
    27 May 2012 11: 23
    Ancient Rome rarely did this, he preferred to solve problems with weapons, and Byzantium was bent for other reasons: Internal causes of decline. Civil wars, Social and religious discord, Financial and military disasters., Foreign policy reasons for the decline. Bulgarians and Serbs., Well, TURKS.
  38. +2
    27 May 2012 15: 53
    Certain conclusions are drawn for the future and work continues - Georgia WILL be in NATO, as if someone did not want this. The process is not reversible and natural --------------------------------------------- -----------------------
    -------------------------------------------- But NATO IS NEEDED? Georgians He put on his NATO uniform, looked at himself in the mirror and ................. he was ... fighting!
  39. lado-6060
    -2
    27 May 2012 16: 31
    I apologize after yesterday's bo-bo head. Yes have a rest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1VeSSI8LHQ&feature=player_embedded BATUMI
  40. 0
    27 May 2012 18: 54
    Georgia will sooner or later join NATO, but the Georgian people will not live better from this.
  41. +1
    27 May 2012 21: 55
    Once again, do not confuse politicians and people.
    I have friends of Georgians, they evaluate the situation absolutely adequately. Of course, bitterness comes through the lost Abkhazia and Ossetia, but Misha is clearly considered the culprit.
    General Roman Dumbadze, a consistent opponent of Saakashvili, was recently killed in Moscow.
    “After the collapse of the USSR, Dumbadze commanded the Batumi brigade of the Georgian Defense Ministry, which consisted of Ajarians and in fact subordinated to the President of the Ajarian autonomy, Aslan Abashidze. After coming to power, Saakashvili decided to deprive the autonomy of its independent status.
    The brigade commander Dumbadze refused to obey orders from Tbilisi and draw the army into the conflict and was removed from command of the brigade. Despite assurances of security, he was treacherously arrested in Tbilisi and sentenced to 17 years in prison.
    From there he was rescued in 2008 by an old friend - Russian general Vyacheslav Borisov. Then the Russian troops were in Gori. On a personal initiative, Borisov offered to exchange 12 soldiers from Saakashvili's army for Dumbadze. "- source newspaper file-ru.
    1. lado-6060
      -2
      27 May 2012 22: 04
      hommer, inaccuracy in the newspaper. exchanged for 12 killed soldiers. after that this \ general \ himself was supposed to be shot
      1. -1
        27 May 2012 22: 15
        lado-6060,
        where does the accuracy come from?
        1. lado-6060
          -2
          27 May 2012 22: 20
          Curculum, there is an internet conversation recorded between Borisov and Dumbadze. he was allowed to speak before being released
      2. 0
        27 May 2012 22: 53
        lado-6060,
        inaccuracy in the newspaper. exchanged for 12 killed soldiers. after that this \ general \ himself was supposed to be shot

        Thanks, google.
        I did not find the most recorded conversation (audio file).
        Links to the conversation, allegedly recorded, sources - Georgian Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili, who accuses Russian soldiers of looting in August 08, then the journalist of the Caucasus online Levan Javakhishvili. Although even they indicate that Dumbadze was exchanged for 12 captured Georgian soldiers.
        Sorry, I do not believe such sources.
        If there is a direct link to the audio file, share it.
        By the way, which of the generals should have been a "gunman" in your opinion - Dumbadze or Borisov?
        1. lado-6060
          -2
          27 May 2012 23: 00
          hommer, sorry led you astray 12 soldiers and 45 corpses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQFujQUscDU zast.dumbadze
          1. +1
            27 May 2012 23: 22
            Thanks, I listened.
            I support General Borisov.
            A friend pulled out - this time.
            He returned 12 frightened boys to live mothers - two.
            He gave out some (I didn’t hear the numbers 45) victims who became cannon fodder and a bargaining chip for Mishiko, (mind you, buried in coffins, as it should be), relatives. - These are three.
            But Dumbadze had no need to shoot, IMHO, he did not tarnish his honor with anything in this situation.
            1. lado-6060
              -1
              27 May 2012 23: 43
              Cargo went there. the corpses. They were just buried and they drove away their bags. And Dumbadze is from Adzharia and I know his adventures. Borisov created special forces for Abashidze. he served with him. from there they are friends with Dumbadze. everything is late already with us
          2. 0
            28 May 2012 14: 48
            lado-6060, hmmm, first 12 corpses, then "excuse me, led you delusional", and it turns out - the interpretation is somewhat different, not sickly delusion: to lower 12 boys underground (God bless them!). This is how the Latin poodle scratches. So who should shoot?
            1. lado-6060
              0
              28 May 2012 15: 46
              Curculum,
              Well, I wrote that there was an inaccuracy in the newspaper. There were 45 corpses. \ That's how the Latin poodle is scratching. \ -You can safely add as the Surkovsky propagandist-agent of the State Department-Bangladeshi spy. your will smile
  42. AlexMH
    +1
    27 May 2012 22: 36
    To be honest, it is clear to everyone in the world, and in Russia, to Georgia ... anyway, in short, what is there and how. And we, in general, do not care. Snooping again - once again get in the face. They will join NATO - and to hell with them, the Balts have entered, and nothing - until they attacked us :) And conversations about the unprecedented prosperity of Georgia - let Saakashvili in the West say something is imperceptible for our local rodents to rush home to their prosperity :)
  43. +2
    27 May 2012 23: 21
    they will certainly not be admitted to NATO, there are enough fools without them. personally, if I were in the leadership of the GRU or the FSB launched the project "Adjara" - to stir up the troubles like in Syria, then life will not seem like honey to the successor to the mishik and thoughts will not be fucked up with everything else.
  44. +1
    28 May 2012 12: 45
    "Let's see. Read how NATO instructors speak about the Georgians. They will be accepted, so they will ruin NATO from the inside."
    Let a little doubt. I don’t know how Georgians are, but if for the good of the matter, then Ukraine needs to be pushed into NATO. You all just think and imagine: the Ukrainian ensign in the NATO warehouses ...
    I propose a blitz-poll: how many days will the NATO depots, fuel and lubricants and equipment under Ukrainian ensigns last? (The remaining officers and soldiers can be ignored.)

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