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Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux? Defense Ministry buys Elbrus

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The Russian defense ministry plans to purchase Russian Elbrus computers for a total of 400 million rubles, follows from the materials on the public procurement website.


Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux? Defense Ministry buys Elbrus


According to the order placed, the Ministry of Defense of Russia plans to receive laptops, workstations, graphics and multimedia stations, plotters, software and peripheral equipment, including special tests and special studies based on Elbrus processors, by September 30. In addition, a closed auction for the supply of thousands of 2019 sets of "Elbrus-1RS" in the interests of the Ministry of Defense will be held on October 801 of this year.

The Elbrus 801-RS workstation was developed on the basis of the Elbrus-8С microprocessor and is intended for the equipment of automated workstations (operators) of operators, microservers and information terminals, applications in industrial automation and in systems with increased requirements to information security.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of Russia plans to transfer all the office computers of the military department from the Microsoft operating system to the domestic Astra Linux, compatible with the Russian Elbrus processors. The system has already been used by the Armed Forces of Russia for several years, in particular, the information system of the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation is based on it. In addition, today it is used in existing models of weapons and military equipment and in a number of promising developments.
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  1. bk316
    bk316 28 September 2018 12: 41
    +9
    What ...
    What about
    When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...
    We do not have and will not have our own hardware.
    laughing
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 28 September 2018 12: 44
      +9
      National security issues require the development of their hardware and software.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 28 September 2018 16: 31
        +4
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        National security issues require the development of their hardware and software.

        Security issues require. But I wonder how much it will cost? After all, a simple video camera, which costs 1500-2000 in any store, is bought for 15000-20000 for the Moscow Region. The quadrator that goes to this set of cameras for 2,5 for the MO is taken for 25.nu and so on and so on. The Serdyukovs and Vasilievs remained as they were ...
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 28 September 2018 16: 39
          +2
          National security issues require the development of their hardware and software and power itself. Like this! And it will not work out differently.
        2. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 28 September 2018 20: 18
          +15
          Quote: Fitter65
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          National security issues require the development of their hardware and software.

          Security issues require. But I wonder how much it will cost? After all, a simple video camera, which costs 1500-2000 in any store, is bought for 15000-20000 for the Moscow Region. The quadrator that goes to this set of cameras for 2,5 for the MO is taken for 25.nu and so on and so on. The Serdyukovs and Vasilievs remained as they were ...

          If you know such facts, then you need to tell where they should be.
          Verbiage about supplying the army with iron lying in stores is from the evil one. Armies need not only more electronically protected devices. but also withstanding operating conditions close to the operating conditions of the Kalashnikov assault rifle. Do not consider yourself smarter than those who are engaged in these matters professionally.
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok 29 September 2018 16: 33
          +2
          Quote: Fitter65
          Security issues require. But I wonder how much it will cost?

          I will add that the Linux declared in the title is not really reliable. This is especially true of the military sphere.
          1. Dimmedroll
            Dimmedroll 29 September 2018 21: 40
            +2
            I completely agree, a glitch on a glitch
        5. Dimmedroll
          Dimmedroll 29 September 2018 21: 38
          0
          I beg you a normal camera costs just 15 tr. Anything below 4 tr cannot be called normal.
        6. tuts
          tuts 30 September 2018 11: 41
          +1
          in mo dislike camera goes
          All mikruha is conditionally divided into three classes: 1 commercial (the cheapest and most unreliable for working in comfortable conditions) 2 military (reliable and expensive for working on the battlefield) and 3 scientific (ultra-expensive and ultra reliable - for working in extreme conditions)
    2. Beby
      Beby 28 September 2018 13: 02
      +13
      Quote: bk316
      What about
      When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...
      We do not have and will not have our own hardware.
      laughing
      The Elbrus-8C microprocessor is manufactured at TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Limited). So, in a certain sense, we really do not have our own “hardware” and in the near future there will be no such thing.
      On the other hand, a huge number of different companies from almost all developed countries of the world produce "their" chips on TSMC, .. and this doesn’t bother anyone.
      1. Genry
        Genry 28 September 2018 13: 27
        -3
        Quote: Beby
        Elbrus-8C is manufactured at TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Limited). So, in a certain sense, we really do not have our own “hardware” and in the near future there will be no such thing.

        Elbrus is your own, because it is completely developed in Russia. And to bake crystals from recycled sand, according to ready-made templates, but in someone else's production, does not negate the originality and safety of "iron".
        1. Beby
          Beby 28 September 2018 13: 59
          +2
          Quote: Genry
          Elbrus is your own, because it is completely developed in Russia. And to bake crystals from recycled sand, according to ready-made templates, but in someone else's production, does not negate the originality and safety of "iron".

          I have significant suspicions that in this "foreign production" the templates are also "alien". Anyway, I am tormented by vague guesses that this ("Elbrus-8C") "own" processor is a TSMC ASIC, glued from TSMC's IP-Core (ready-made nodes: DDR controller, Multi Gigabit Transmitters ( transceivers ala PCI-E), PLL (PLL), etc.). But even if these guesses of mine are correct, "Elbrus-8S" is still a significant achievement, because designing large ASICs is a very, very difficult process (non-believers can look at the number of different problems in the crystals of AMD and nVidia video cards, which are also ASICs).

          Regarding "security": unfortunately, "Elbrus-8C" (manufactured at TSMC) is not "trusted". As a domestic development, it is safer than Intel / AMD / pr. , .. however, for a number of tasks its level of “security” is not enough.
          1. kakvastam
            kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 12
            +4
            A much bigger problem is the potential shutdown of supplies from a not quite friendly state. In this situation, even a completely different scheme will not help, without involving foreign components.
            But the step is still in the right direction.
          2. Genry
            Genry 28 September 2018 14: 44
            +5
            Quote: Beby
            and in general, I am tormented by vague guesses that this ("Elbrus-8C") "own" processor is a TSMC ASIC glued from TSMC's IP-Core (ready-made nodes: DDR controller, Multi Gigabit Transmitters (transceivers ala PCI-E), PLL (PLL), etc.).

            Well, you made up. At the fine logic level (flip-flops, shift registers, logic, adders ...), a manufacturer-specific topological base is used. But at a higher level, large logical blocks are not tied to the manufacturer and can be either purely of their own design or "based on" ....

            Quote: Beby
            Regarding "security": unfortunately, "Elbrus-8C" (manufactured at TSMC) is not "trusted". As a domestic development, it is safer than Intel / AMD / pr. , .. however, for a number of tasks its level of “security” is not enough.

            Then deal with your contradiction. The main thing is that in Elbrus there are no bookmarks and cursed errors like Meltdown and Spectra, which are fundamentally impossible due to the lack of speculative execution.
            1. Beby
              Beby 28 September 2018 15: 44
              -1
              Quote: Genry
              Quote: Beby
              and in general, I am tormented by vague guesses that this ("Elbrus-8C") "own" processor is a TSMC ASIC glued from TSMC's IP-Core (ready-made nodes: DDR controller, Multi Gigabit Transmitters (transceivers ala PCI-E), PLL (PLL), etc.).

              Well, you made up. At the fine logic level (flip-flops, shift registers, logic, adders ...), a manufacturer-specific topological base is used. But at a higher level, large logical blocks are not tied to the manufacturer and can be either purely of their own design or "based on" ....
              Those. You claim that the circuitry of the tunable N-phase PLL (used in modern processors), generating frequencies in the range from 3 to 5 GHz, is not directly connected with the features of those. specific plant processes?
              I draw your attention to the fact that only high-frequency ones were listed as "borrowed" macro nodes.

              Quote: Genry
              Quote: Beby
              Regarding "security": unfortunately, "Elbrus-8C" (manufactured at TSMC) is not "trusted". As a domestic development, it is safer than Intel / AMD / pr. , .. however, for a number of tasks its level of “security” is not enough.

              Then deal with your contradiction.
              There is no contradiction here, I just stated a fact: "Elbrus-8C", produced at TSMC, is not a "trusted" processor. Therefore, in a number of products it smoking use.

              Quote: Genry
              The main thing is that in Elbrus there are no bookmarks and cursed errors like Meltdown and Spectra, which are fundamentally impossible due to the lack of speculative execution.
              Have you read Errata (or similar closed technical documentation) on Elbrus-8C that you are so sure that there are no such or similar errors in Elbrus-8C?
        2. Archon
          Archon 28 September 2018 18: 13
          +6
          Well, tomorrow, the Americans will economically force Taiwan to abandon contracts for the production of processors for Russia. and then what? where is security, where is the point? Well, the union state of Belarus would print processors for Russia, then fine. or China would print processors for Russia - this is also normal, because it is independent.
          in general, long ago, instead of buying another football club, we could buy a completely production line of processors and scientists, workers, engineers in addition.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 29 September 2018 14: 28
            +2
            Quote: Archon
            Well, tomorrow, the Americans will economically force Taiwan to abandon contracts for the production of processors for Russia. and then what? where is security, where is the point?

            1) This is China.
            2) _All_ substrates and most of the materials are exclusively Russian.
          2. Igor Polovodov
            Igor Polovodov 30 September 2018 09: 41
            0
            Vague guesses torment us ... since the Americans do not impose any sanctions on Taiwan for Elbrus, it’s scary to even think about bookmarks and other hidden processes ...
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 28 September 2018 13: 28
        0
        Quote: Beby
        Quote: bk316
        What about
        When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...
        We do not have and will not have our own hardware.
        laughing
        The Elbrus-8C microprocessor is manufactured at TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Limited). So, in a certain sense, we really do not have our own “hardware” and in the near future there will be no such thing.
        On the other hand, a huge number of different companies from almost all developed countries of the world produce "their" chips on TSMC, .. and this doesn’t bother anyone.

        ===
        there would be a desire and money, it is easy to put the same factory in the territory of the Russian Federation, orders will be provided for a long time. Linux applications will go well under Linux, since there are no problems with programmers
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 28 September 2018 13: 50
          -2
          there would be a desire and money, it is easy to put the same factory in the territory of the Russian Federation, orders will be provided for a long time. Linux applications will go well under Linux, since there are no problems with programmers, your Mikron bought the equipment 10 years ago from AMD so yours didn’t succeed
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 28 September 2018 20: 20
            +2
            Quote: Lex.
            there would be a desire and money, it is easy to put the same factory in the territory of the Russian Federation, orders will be provided for a long time. Linux applications will go well under Linux, since there are no problems with programmers, your Mikron bought the equipment 10 years ago from AMD so yours didn’t succeed

            ===
            11 years ago, the purchased technology was relevant, what prevents to buy more modern? about the failure (90 and 180nm on the Micron), can you clarify what? if you mean the problems there with corruption, and cost, yes, there is one.
          2. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 28 September 2018 22: 26
            +1
            Well, purely in secret ... the factory was bought and not one, there the young people have fun, well, in the sense they conduct experiments, the good is the money that AMD regularly transfers laughing Schaub cannot compete ... well, but sho, the business is like that, sometimes it’s easier to pay a bit than to lose everything ... It’s the same with many joint ventures, it seems, but they don’t seem to do anything ... well, they created for satisfying the political situation, such as import substitution, but they really don’t want the enterprises to really work and are ready to pay ... But why should they pay for gas and oil? (green candy wrappers not to offer, and generally cut paper and digital signs in a computer) In the sense of goods, if we ourselves will have everything ??? And they will never have hydrocarbons laughing
        2. Beby
          Beby 28 September 2018 14: 22
          -3
          Quote: Victorio
          there would be a desire and money, it is easy to put the same factory in the territory of the Russian Federation, orders will be provided for a long time
          And what's the point of this factory?
          Then it will take a huge heap of time to adapt macro nodes: DDR2 / 3/4 memory controllers, N-phase PLL, Multi Gigabit Transmitter and much more to the resulting transistor structures (and sometimes develop from scratch).
      3. Lex.
        Lex. 28 September 2018 13: 48
        -6
        Well, for example, they produce it with us, before your processors produced
        1. skifd
          skifd 28 September 2018 17: 28
          0
          As usual, "Baba Yaga against" ....)))))))) Well, well. wink
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 28 September 2018 16: 42
        +1
        Their - for now, I repeat that for now, does not bother. So far they are relatively one West team.
        But here we are - this is a completely different case. And hardware and software should be exclusively their own, in addition,
        what works against the west on their field.
    3. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 28 September 2018 13: 08
      +6
      Main cost track. I remember they put us in the second part of the PENTs, the cost in the form -76000 p., In the shops this pleasure then cost about 18000 p., Such a non-acidic "margin".
      1. Genry
        Genry 28 September 2018 13: 42
        0
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        in stores this pleasure then cost about

        In the store they give you with a bare Windows ... And the military, besides it, makes specialized software development, with its security certificates for hardware and software.
        1. Corn
          Corn 28 September 2018 14: 39
          +3
          Well, for sure, security certificates, unique technologies ...
          1. purple
            purple 28 September 2018 16: 05
            -2
            Quote: Corn
            Well, for sure, security certificates, unique technologies ...

            dismantled more than once, nothing in common ... from the word at all
        2. Razvedka_Boem
          Razvedka_Boem 28 September 2018 15: 47
          +2
          In the store you are given with naked Windows.

          I remember the story when a client buying a laptop, took out a disk to Linux and said - Either you delete Windu or I will do it myself now, but I will not overpay 200 bucks for what I need ..
          You can still find in Neta .. Although the story is not advertised ..
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 29 September 2018 06: 51
            0
            On the shelves dofiga laptops in linukha. And even with DOS!
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 29 September 2018 14: 33
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              On the shelves dofiga laptops in linukha. And even with DOS!

              I doubt it. I saw only 2 firms.
    4. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 28 September 2018 20: 13
      +3
      Window Mazda linuh foreve)
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 28 September 2018 12: 43
    -1
    Long overdue!
    But many people will be unhappy.
    Users from the plow.
    Especially "bulgachters" and other office plankton.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 1 October 2018 19: 34
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Long overdue!
      But many people will be unhappy.

      Right! Will they trample the tanks?
  3. Igoresha
    Igoresha 28 September 2018 12: 45
    -6
    the video card drivers flew to Linux, beat its forehead against the wall for three days, prescribed code with a sheet and nifiga. Since then has sworn. I feel sorry for the Russian military.
    1. old friend
      old friend 28 September 2018 13: 06
      +21
      Do not la la. When it was? State institutions in many European countries work on Linux. This is an indicator. In China, its own system is NeoKylin, also a linux.
      In fact, the news is good, just wonderful. Now the country's security, in many ways, is security in information technology. And info technology is not only content, but also hardware and software.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 28 September 2018 13: 15
        -4
        as protection against viruses - yes. may be. + as if free, also good. But in general terms, I do not agree, I have read forums on scanty problems on Windows which are difficult to solve on Linux.
        1. Genry
          Genry 28 September 2018 13: 49
          +11
          Quote: Igoresha
          But in general terms, I do not agree, I have read forums on scanty problems on Windows which are difficult to solve on Linux.

          If you want to use programs whose analogues are not available in Linux, then yes. And games for Windows are also worse supported. But for mass office and military use, there are fewer problems than Windows.
        2. kakvastam
          kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 18
          +4
          Quote: Igoresha
          read the forums

          And about the problems that Linux does not exist at all, but on Windows their solution is associated with colossal hemorrhoids, if at all possible, you have not heard?
      2. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 28 September 2018 13: 27
        -8
        work on Linux yourself, change your mind.
        otherwise, no one would have used paid Windows, since there is a free Linux.
        but this Linux to bring to the comfort of Windows, probably worth tens of billions of dollars. therefore it is a toy for advanced programmers, no more
        1. Genry
          Genry 28 September 2018 13: 51
          +5
          Quote: Peter Smith
          otherwise, no one would have used paid Windows, since there is a free Linux.

          "linАks "?
          You are clearly not "our man" .... Typical "Canadian" ???
          And Windows just forcibly shoves into computers while still in the store.
        2. kakvastam
          kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 21
          +3
          Quote: Peter Smith
          work on Linux yourself, change your mind.

          I have been working for more than twenty years, even now I am answering you from under Linux.
          In this case, you are just raving.
          1. region58
            region58 28 September 2018 15: 41
            +2
            Quote: kakvastam
            I’ve been working for more than twenty years ... ... rave.

            Probably still not quite. Very many users and the transition from "XP" to "7" in a stupor put. Inertia of thinking ... By the way, they considered themselves quite "advanced users" ...
        3. platon4387
          platon4387 28 September 2018 16: 38
          +2
          Wrong assumption, I myself have never been a programmer, but about five years on Linux the flight is normal, I started with Rebecca, then Rose, now Sylvia, User 56 years soon!
    2. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2018 13: 30
      0
      Quote: Igoresha
      the video card drivers flew to Linux, beat its forehead against the wall for three days, prescribed code with a sheet and nifiga.

      It’s immediately clear that you have Nvidia ... They specifically hack in Linux ....
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 01
        0
        Quote: Genry
        It’s immediately clear that you have Nvidia ... They specifically hack in Linux ....

        Europeans. The S3 and NVidea from S3 are working as hell.
      2. kakvastam
        kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 24
        +2
        Quote: Genry
        It’s immediately clear that you have Nvidia ...

        Come on, we are talking about a rare "right hands" driver, no sheets can fix it.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 September 2018 13: 56
      +4
      Quote: Igoresha
      +1
      flew on Linux video card drivers

      Maybe you mean Fedot, who, in fact, is not the same? Ie .... if there is a "hardware" problem, then where does Linux? Several years ago I tried to switch to Linux as a second (backup) OS ... unfortunately, it failed! Lack of time and the dominance of Windows prevented ... and only! By the way, even now UNIX is the main (or one of the main ...) OS of servers in large networks ....
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 28 September 2018 14: 15
        -1
        the fact is that on Windows, reinstalling the drivers is easy and simple, but in Linux this turned out to be an insoluble problem and the forums did not help. So what the hell Linux to hell.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 September 2018 16: 40
          +1
          Quote: Igoresha
          So what the hell Linux to hell

          By the way, I recalled a case that happened several years ago. I had to install Linux drivers on computers in the same "state structure" ... Oh, and I wondered ... then! Until I got into the programming principle! Then it went on! Those. it may not work out implicitly ... it is always useful to learn the "math part" (!) ... and, preferably, in advance! wink and don't be too lazy to have a little patience to stock up on this ... (though I didn't have time for this: the authorities ordered ... I had to answer "yes!")
      2. purple
        purple 28 September 2018 16: 07
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        By the way, and now UNIX is the main (or one of the main ...) OS of servers of large networks ....

        It has always been so. Windows can not overpower a normal server, for large volumes it is not intended at all from the word at all
    4. kakvastam
      kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 17
      +7
      Quote: Igoresha
      I prescribed code with a sheet and nifiga.

      Old rule: if you don’t know how, don’t take it.
      I have been working with Linux for more than twenty years, and I have no complaints about stability, unlike Microsoft crafts.
    5. purple
      purple 28 September 2018 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: Igoresha
      the graphics card drivers have flown to Linux,

      there nothing can "fly off" so simply ... do not say nonsense
    6. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 28 September 2018 20: 14
      +2
      And tried to straighten your hands?)))
  4. Zubr
    Zubr 28 September 2018 12: 48
    +6
    Well, that's nice, but they’ll close the information space of mines. defense finally. Stop sitting under Melkosoft.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 15
      -1
      So in the end they run the same Windows under the emulator. The same fingers, only in profile, but slower and more expensive. No one wants to abandon the Microsoft office or the same 1C accounting.
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 28 September 2018 13: 42
        +3
        smile hi
        For this, there is OpenOffice and 1С for Linux no worse and full compatibility with Windu products.
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 28 September 2018 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: Zubr
          smile hi
          There is OpenOffice for this.

          try to get an accountant or a warrior to work under the Open Office, for example open some kind of tax document and print it. I'm afraid to learn a lot from the Russian mat.
          Quote: Zubr
          1C for Linux is no worse and full compatibility with Windu products.

          Yeah, especially in conjunction with MsSql.
      2. Deckofficer
        Deckofficer 28 September 2018 13: 55
        +3
        We have been using the free Open / Libre office analogue for ten years, and even better than the original.
        1. kakvastam
          kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: Deckofficer
          We have been using the free Open / Libre office analogue for ten years, and even better than the original.

          With all the love for Linux, I have to admit that recently both OpenOffice and LibreOffice have become much more capricious. Especially * Office Writer, formatting and setting up a table of contents drank so much blood to me! And Impress is generally a dubious product ...
        2. purple
          purple 28 September 2018 16: 09
          -1
          Quote: Deckofficer
          We have been using the free Open / Libre office analogue for ten years, and even better than the original.

          well that's not true
          1. Warrior Spirit
            Warrior Spirit 28 September 2018 17: 08
            0
            Quote: purple
            Quote: Deckofficer
            We have been using the free Open / Libre office analogue for ten years, and even better than the original.

            well that's not true
            - rather even a lie. Compatibility with MSOffice is not complete. And in some cases there is complete incompatibility.))) As a result, it is impossible to use if you open third-party documents.
  5. Forestol
    Forestol 28 September 2018 12: 56
    +3
    this is called the “hardware-software complex”. If it were not for the Linux emulator, but its own, hardware-bound software, as in the big Elbrus, there would be no price.
    1. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2018 13: 38
      -1
      Quote: Forestol
      If it weren’t for the Linux emulator, but for its hardware-based software

      What kind of "Linux emulator". For Elbrus, they have already made their own, code-related, Linux distributions. But Windows, of course, can only be in emulation mode.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Genry
        But Windows, of course, can only be in emulation mode.

        I need vin only for Balabolka. So far, CoolRider for Linux has not been done (it already stands under Android). As the Americans did only for hardware readers. Languages ​​for Linux already exist. The same RHVoice.
        There is a problem with tass.ru under old Linux browsers.
      2. MrFox
        MrFox 29 September 2018 12: 05
        -1
        and in the platform-specific linux / arch branch of the Linux kernel is Elbrus now also? How will we assemble the core?
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Forestol
      If it weren’t for the Linux emulator, but for its hardware-based software,

      First, hardware, software is written on hardware.
  6. Yrec
    Yrec 28 September 2018 13: 00
    0
    It remains the warrior (and all civil servants afterwards) to teach linux use. We'll have to open educational programs and change the school curriculum in computer science.
    1. Yura
      Yura 28 September 2018 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Yrec
      It remains the warrior (and all civil servants afterwards) to teach linux use.

      What are you talking about? Do you want to tell us all military equipment on Windows? Take a cold shower to wake up. laughing
      Quote: Yrec
      We'll have to open educational programs and change the school curriculum in computer science.
      In our area, even in the staircase, there is one of some Linux, not to mention health, in schools in many, if not in the whole region, there is Altlinux.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: Jura
        in schools in many, if not in the entire area, Altlinux stands.

        version of Neo Altlinux. When upgrading, changes the screensaver to Alt.
      2. kakvastam
        kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 36
        -1
        Quote: Jura
        What are you talking about? Do you want to tell us all military equipment on Windows?

        At the headquarters are screw machines, unfortunately.
        And you are lucky with the region, we have Windows everywhere. An IT specialist is a dumb and lazy bastard for the most part, he doesn’t like to study, I don’t even talk about work ...
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 32
      +4
      Quote: Yrec
      It remains the warrior (and all civil servants afterwards) to teach linux use.

      Do not worry, most of them can not use Windows either. At their level of ownership, even retraining is not needed, and even if familiar icons are attached to the desktop ...
  7. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 28 September 2018 13: 06
    0
    Elbrus is good, but what about Baikal?
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 17
      -2
      And Baikal is a licensed MIPS32. That is, the core is not Russian, and the production of TSMC.
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 28 September 2018 23: 27
        0
        MIPS architecture, not the core. Do you understand the difference?
    2. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2018 13: 34
      +2
      Baikals (MIPS and ARM) for small-sized, specialized devices.
  8. Peter Smith
    Peter Smith 28 September 2018 13: 16
    -8
    Quote: Zubr
    Well, that's nice, but they’ll close the information space of mines. defense finally. Stop sitting under Melkosoft.

    You probably didn’t work under Linux. I am an advanced user of Windows, when I pushed with Linux, back at the level of use, I was helpless like a gudgeon on the lunar surface. crying
    But elbrus is such a fawn, it will not be able to work normally, it is inefficient, approximately 15 years behind Microsoft. So, it can control the operation of a water pump. But not above this level.
    1. Vard
      Vard 28 September 2018 14: 03
      +1
      If you play ... then yes ... and if applied, then it will be enough ... I still have 133 stump working with auto-cad and editor ... and playing only pulls the scarf ... by the way, the computer is not Internet ... so no problems ...
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 28 September 2018 15: 01
        -1
        Try to run some kind of CAD or at least a PostgreSQL database on it. Then you will talk about "enough".
        1. Vard
          Vard 28 September 2018 17: 08
          -2
          The compass pulls ... Desktop DBMS, of course it slows down ... but it chews ...
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 28 September 2018 17: 28
            -2
            133 stump pulls the compass? Yes, the compass in the mandatory processor requirements is support for SSE2.
            Or do you have a version there 15 years ago and you draw crosswords in it?
    2. Yura
      Yura 28 September 2018 14: 08
      -1
      Quote: Peter Smith
      So, it can control the operation of a water pump.
      Everything is clear, you are "Semyon Lodkin".
    3. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2018 14: 10
      +5
      Quote: Peter Smith
      You probably didn’t work under Linux. I am an advanced user of Windows, when I pushed with Linux, back at the level of use, I was helpless like a gudgeon on the lunar surface.

      If you are transplanted from a passenger car to a truck (I am silent about armored vehicles), then you will also long unlearn your "advancement" (the usual set of button presses).
      Quote: Peter Smith
      But elbrus is such a fawn, it will not be able to work normally, it is inefficient, approximately 15 years behind Microsoft.

      Are you sure that Microsoft has released at least one processor?
      1. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 28 September 2018 14: 19
        0
        1. The slightest non-standard situation, will enter the user into a stupor. He will not be able to attach any gadget to the system unit with Linux. He cannot deliver drivers.
        2. There is a typo. Intel
        1. Genry
          Genry 28 September 2018 15: 03
          +3
          Quote: Peter Smith
          1. The slightest non-standard situation, will enter the user into a stupor. He will not be able to attach any gadget to the system unit with Linux. He cannot deliver drivers.

          All drivers for working through hardware interfaces work directly in the kernel without installation and are initialized when the device appears. Support is needed only at the level of service to support the IPA of the device, which is provided by a set of support programs, usually already installed or easily installed from the repository.
          1. Peter Smith
            Peter Smith 28 September 2018 18: 49
            0
            I know what a repository is. Yes, everything is not always put from there even. For the average user, the Linux repository is a dark forest.
    4. sogdy
      sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 16
      +3
      Quote: Peter Smith
      Windows advanced user

      Also add - "certified". Those. working only in "Guest" mode.
      1. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 28 September 2018 18: 51
        0
        I don’t need any serifs. For myself, I can deal with Windows in most cases.
    5. kakvastam
      kakvastam 28 September 2018 14: 42
      +3
      Quote: Peter Smith
      А elbrus such a fawn, it will not be able to work normally, it is inefficient, about 15 years behind Microsoft.

      I hear the speech of an "advanced user" (in terms of the degree of profanity, the expression is close to the "effective manager")!
      If you do not see the difference between the processor and the operating system, is it any wonder that you can not cope with either one?
      1. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 28 September 2018 18: 54
        -1
        I see the speech of an inattentive user
    6. Waldemar
      Waldemar 28 September 2018 23: 31
      0
      Elbrus8s has a 7-2016 core i17 performance in floating point numbers if that ... indirectly - otherwise why would it need ddr4. What data should he read and write on ddr4 having low performance? what nonsense? Intel 15 years ago about 8 times weaker than Baikal
  9. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 28 September 2018 13: 35
    0
    Why - Goodbye, and why - Hello?
    Because they bought or bought 400 million and 1000 sets are still being prepared, will the software approach change? To software support?
    And where will the existing developments go? And how do you organize the transition from one platform to another?
    Or is it organized by an alternative MO, with other fixed assets?
    Hurray, hooray, hooray, we will give the country coal, albeit small, but ... dofiga. So it turns out, in my opinion.
    No, I'm koeshno, for progress - ".. different mothers are needed, different dads are important ...". But it seems to me that the software replacement will take decades. And whether it will come to its logical conclusion - BAAAA It's a big question.
    ...
    One thing you can be sure of - the process of generating viruses for UNIX-like systems will accelerate significantly.
    1. Genry
      Genry 28 September 2018 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      One thing you can be sure of - the process of generating viruses for UNIX-like systems will accelerate significantly.

      Why do you think so. Devices with similar systems have long been more than Windows systems (servers, smartphones, network equipment).
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 28 September 2018 14: 50
        0
        There are many more devices, you are right. The entire grid, colloquially called the Internet, sits on UNIX.
        And, domains are made up of machines on Win systems. At least in our "heritage" this is so.
        Anyway, you are clearly a professional, should I explain to you about viruses?
        And why did I talk about acceleration - if our MO begins to actively use the "line" - then, do not go to the grandmother, the same sworn "friends" will want to slowly "improve" the operation of our devices.
        Viruses are already on unixcs. And it will become much more, that's all.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 28 September 2018 14: 18
      0
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      But I think that replacing the software will drag on for decades. And whether it comes to its logical conclusion is a BAAAAA big question.

      So this order is the "logical conclusion". Hardware replacement of equipment.
  10. 1536
    1536 28 September 2018 14: 06
    -1
    Finally! And do not talk about the cost / price. Apple products are an example for everyone, which is more expensive than analogues, sometimes by an order of magnitude, but is in great demand. The whole head is a competent marketing policy and quality control of products, no matter who says viruses and lack of software (mostly toys, you need to understand). I am sure that if these computers were in free sale with a preliminary indication that the same computer was in some military center of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the line would be built up. And software would have appeared all and different, etc., etc.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 15: 04
      -1
      Quote: 1536
      I’m sure that if these computers were in free sale with a preliminary indication that the same computer is in some military center of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the line would be lined up

      consumers are not interested in what is in the Moscow Region. They are interested in price and efficiency. To buy a deliberately weaker piece of iron, to which there is practically no software, at a price several times more expensive, no one in your mind will. Neither home users, nor even business.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 28 September 2018 14: 20
    +1
    It is difficult, overwhelming, but it is NECESSARY to do!
    As I remember yesterday what kind of processors we made !!! on the element series 133, 155 and 500 .... by the way, Elbrus was the same !!! So a name with a beard!
    It used to be heated on them, but in the 500 series, it was possible to fry the eggs ... if the cooling hydrogen was temporarily shut off !!!
    1. region58
      region58 28 September 2018 15: 32
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      what processors did we do !!! on the elemental series 133, 155 and 500 ....

      You can recall on the P-416 ... In my student years, I’ve taken such a retired ... From the periphery ... Merry ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 September 2018 15: 44
        +1
        Exactly, exactly! Someone remembers hearing how "BESM 6" whistled !!!
        1. region58
          region58 28 September 2018 15: 49
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          "BESM 6" whistled


          don't care all the hackers in the world ... wassat
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 September 2018 16: 01
            0
            Fiction! However, this is the operator's room, in the machine room, next to the "memory" cabinets, stand U-U-U.
            Where did she stand so much ??? Baikonur? Priozersk? Sofrino?
  12. Weight
    Weight 28 September 2018 15: 21
    +3
    Quote: Beby
    The Elbrus-8C microprocessor is manufactured at TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, Limited).

    And so what? Do you really think that they will put * bugs * in the processor? You can have a powerful piece of iron (comp), but without mathematics it is nothing ... Russians are not the last wink
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 15: 38
      -1
      Quote: Kettlebell
      You can have a powerful piece of iron (comp), but without mathematics it is nothing ..

      rather without software. And under Elbrus, his cat cried.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 September 2018 15: 46
        +2
        And ours, Schaub to start and do, Schaub must someone said that it is IMPOSSIBLE!
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 28 September 2018 17: 19
          -1
          Yes, everything is possible if the Zenith Arena does not drain money with the Olympics
      2. Weight
        Weight 28 September 2018 15: 50
        +2
        I agree .... But, it’s an everyday matter --- if * softly * ask them to switch to these processors, and the software will VERY quickly appear .... Money, they are such, they will make almost anyone work in the right direction)))
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 28 September 2018 17: 20
          -2
          will not appear. Software development is an extremely expensive pleasure. And just denyuzhki will say that we will look for any ways, if only not Elbrus
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 28 September 2018 20: 01
          0
          Quote: Kettlebell
          But, everyday life --- if * softly * ask

          If you gently ask !!! They and Easter Faberge for the museum will find and redeem!
  13. Weight
    Weight 28 September 2018 15: 54
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    And ours, Schaub to start and do, Schaub must someone said that it is IMPOSSIBLE!

    hi well noticed
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 September 2018 19: 56
      0
      I’m just quoting, a striped expert on the comp said this. California forum somewhere.
      I heard half a year ago.
      But the statement about money is ACTUAL! Specialists also really want to eat, among other things!
  14. Cavalryman
    Cavalryman 28 September 2018 16: 09
    0
    The Russian military department plans to purchase Russian computers "Elbrus" for a total amount of 400 million.

    Well, finally they sold it ..
    How many years have they been dragging with implementation? Nevertheless, the lobby of all firms and concerns in Russia is very strong .. I am a little familiar with security, I always wondered how Western information technologies and components can be used in serious institutions and structures .. After all, the collection of information goes behind the scenes and in which case everything can simply stop work (blue screen, etc.)
    And then we are surprised how our latest developments float to the west, to China, etc.
    Everything is very simple hi
  15. T.Henks
    T.Henks 28 September 2018 16: 50
    +3
    Oh galloping lyalya in comments! All amicably linox hayut. Applications say little and do not work. And a driver. And why the hell are drivers and obscure applications in the army? Is it a warrior to sculpt software in a trench? The list of necessary is determined elsewhere. And Wishlist someone for toys during working hours are inappropriate here. The functional responsibilities of the user in the aircraft do not include counter-strikes and warcraft. And as soon as the kernel compiles and the applications are trained, then the computer will work. No frills. Two by two can be considered differently. You can for one mash cycle, but you can also try for 2 in the tenth.
  16. Waldemar
    Waldemar 28 September 2018 18: 45
    0
    Interestingly, we then inspect the processor under an electron microscope. You can add something to the crystal. Hardly in Taiwan there is our observer
  17. Peter Smith
    Peter Smith 28 September 2018 18: 52
    -1
    Quote: Genry
    Quote: Peter Smith
    otherwise, no one would have used paid Windows, since there is a free Linux.

    "linАks "?
    You are clearly not "our man" .... Typical "Canadian" ???
    And Windows just forcibly shoves into computers while still in the store.

    Transliteration - linAks. For non-knowledgeable Russians, English is Linux)
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 28 September 2018 21: 03
      0
      I know english, but never say "Linux" like "linax". "Linux, linux" only. Like my pals and others IT specialists.
      1. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 28 September 2018 22: 39
        0
        "As" introduces a clause with a noun and a verb.
        I would never say "Linux as linax ". laughing
        Learn English. Useful).
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 30 September 2018 15: 17
          0
          Syoma, you have confused something, this is not an English lesson. Personally, the "Western partners" understand me and this is the main thing. And I understand them, I can communicate fluently.
          Bonka opened?))
  18. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 28 September 2018 19: 01
    0
    The servers, apparently in the data center network at the NPP, will subsequently be placed, the other day the first stage of the Mendeleev data center was launched at the Kalinin NPP. Five perimeters of physical security, protection from terrorist threats, no-fly zone with protective equipment, power supply up to 80 MW from NPP substations, 99,982% availability, etc. etc.:
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 29 September 2018 10: 26
      0
      ... and cooling.

      This is unlikely that at a nuclear power plant. Nuclear plants will be the target for nuclear missiles.

      Servers need to be poked so that in general few people know where they really are.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 28 September 2018 21: 54
    +1
    Quote: Beby
    vague guesses torment me

    But to read the history of the creation of the processor and not throw slag on the forum is not fate?
    1. Beby
      Beby 30 September 2018 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      And to read the history of the creation of the processor ... not fate?
      And you will share a link with the "correct" history, where there are technical details: with the help of which CADs they designed, how they described the schemes / grown structures, which primitives and macros / IP-Core were used at the same time, what exactly is transferred to TSMC for the production of these microcircuits, what tests at TSMC make sure that the product is of proper quality, and not defective (money is paid for a serviceable product)?
      It so happened that for now, like me technical the information on the Elbrus-8C processors did not come across, and the science-like balabolst for technically illiterate people - it already tires me a lot.
      Provide the appropriate reference (s), and then, with your help, the number of different speculations and "slag" will become less.

      PS If you want your comment to be discovered by those you cite, try to press the buttonReply"under the posts you cite.
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 28 September 2018 22: 28
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    By the way, even now UNIX is the main (or one of the main ...) OS of servers of large networks

    It is everywhere basic. Windows is a fairly narrow segment of desktop computers, if we take the area of ​​computing systems as a whole. Makos and Android are also Unix.
    Linux is not yet as user friendly as a personal desktop OS as we would like. Moreover, its software distribution system is far from ideal. It does not give any advantages to the user, except in specific cases.
  21. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 September 2018 05: 04
    +1
    Elbrus (like many other things) is still a Soviet development decades ahead of its time, and how much remains unrealized, how much stupid examination has not passed at the application stage and lies with "black corners" in the archives ... under the ass of female employees.
  22. vvnab
    vvnab 29 September 2018 07: 26
    -2
    Something is not clear about this Astra Linux ... Can't you download it? No source? This is a violation of the principle of free software. All meaning is lost, but it’s just ugly. Could take something with a BSD license as a basis.
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 29 September 2018 10: 22
      0
      Yeah! Mac OSX Mojave ...
  23. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 29 September 2018 10: 21
    0
    This iron is much more expensive than commercial from China.
    1. UltraRed
      UltraRed 29 September 2018 15: 01
      +2
      At last !!! Glory to God, Allah and all other gods! The second great news on this topic this year! (The first one is about the MO order on the widespread transition to
      astra linux.)
      I have read all the comments and will try to dot the i's a little. like a "warrior" (26 "calendars") and for 7 years he commanded the "computer" department in the military unit and for the last 14 years I have been using Linux, well, for 23 years of "computer" biography - never had for personal use computers with the architecture of the IBM PC (x86 and amd64) and the OC family of windows .... :)

      1. Regarding the "incompatibility" of "warriors" and linux .......
      Absolutely nothing to worry about - for 7 years my entire department worked safely under the line, even the mesh was under NFS, not under samba ...... :) And all the "printers-scanners-f / a" "exclusive" hardware "under the control of" win-programs "under wine is sometimes even better than on the original Windows, because they were developed (as a rule) on any ancient versions of it. Moreover, the tasks of the department were, not only in computer service and office tasks , but also ..... um, to put it mildly in "working with complex 2D graphics" (even though five years have passed, but the "third prezik for a candle" will not hurt ... :)) And as a raster, and vector .......
      In principle, I don't know what to work under, - the same arrows-icons-menus, - the rest is "golimy somatics", and if there is a person in the organization who is able to configure the system, install programs and connect hardware - problems
      shouldn't be! And according to the stability of work under the control of illiterate personnel - the tench tears Windows - "like a hot water bottle" ...
      I have a friend - the chief economist of the plant - transplanted all accounting on linux (libra office + 1C under etheroft) - and nothing, - they started to work a bit and began to work .... :)
      2. Concerning viruses under Linux ....
      The widespread opinion of illiterate users (mostly "winduzyatniks") that they say "there are few viruses in Linux, because it is rare, there will be as much of it as Windows - there will be viruses"), has no basis. Firstly, for a simple user, viruses under Linux are not that little - they are de facto simply NOT! Antivirus programs under the line - designed to catch Windows viruses! (I'll make a reservation that I don't take cases of targeted attacks on specific machines by "serious organizations"). Secondly, the point is not in the prevalence of the OS, but in the fact that in order for the virus to create something serious in the system, under the line, it must be launched in executable mode under the root. And this is similar to the reasoning about the safety means in the car - if it is deliberately directed into a multi-meter cliff ..... :)
      3. "Baikals" are now being produced with the MIPS architecture ("Baikal T1"), designed for built-in solutions, such as routers, communicators, plotters. There is a debian assembly and a compiler for it. Apparently, the task is to get away from "pussy dependence". mi nuclear "Baikal M8" with ARM architecture for mobile devices.
      For its segment - "Baikal T1" - quite an adequate piece of iron.
      4. About production in Taiwan .....
      Well, let's say, not only in Taiwan ..... :)
      There is a well-reasoned opinion that a crystal produced "to order" and under the control of a customer is de facto free from hardware bugs, since its real topology is quite verifiable ...
      5. "Factory" was bought from AMD for the production of experimental batches - and it fulfills its task.
      6. The executable linux code in Elbrus is native, since I have my own compiler .... :)
      T.N. OS "Elbrus" - in principle, so far only a linux distribution compiled by the same compiler and having a linux kernel (like an android), of course it is also native ...... :) Windows on "Elbrus" starts in hardware emulation mode, - (something similar to transmet) - i.e. not even wine, but a bigger brake - this is purely auxiliary, although of course it is possible to use it more quickly than quemi. (The "standard" for a drop in performance during software emulation of a foreign processor architecture is about 7 times!)
      7. "Elbrus" from MCST is not a "Soviet development", but a further "refinement of the SPARC architecture," crossed "with some developments on the" Soviet Elbrus "of Babayan's times, but SPARC was apparently taken as a basis.
      8. The performance of computers with dual-processor configurations "Elbrus 8" is not only higher than that of modern single-processor x86, but is also comparable to dual-processor, and even higher on some tasks (requiring, for example, parallelization of calculations). (Due to better support for multiprocessing on SPARC). But of course all this must still be supported by software.
      9. One may have different attitudes towards Putin (he never voted for him himself), but the first serious financial injections into the ICST from the state went right after he came to power.
      10. The organizational chart of the creation of Astra Linux - kind of reminds the story of the creation of the Turkish "military-state" distra Pardus. There is a hope that it was not in vain that I wrote a memo on it at one time .... :)
      And then this "fight of Nanai boys" between VNIINS, Altas and other dewdrops - to be honest, it froze ...
      Download Astra Linux as possible, except for the closed part - similar to Pardus

      Well, who is curious how I got along in my "computer life without" Windows and X86:
      Basic 48 for ZX-Spectrum (Z80 - ~ 1987-1995)
      Basic 128 for ZX-Spectrum (Z80 - ~ 1987-1995)
      TR-DOC for ZX-Spectrum (Z80 - ~ 1992-1999)
      IS-DOC for ZX-Spectrum (Z80 - ~ 1995-1999)
      CP / M for ZX-Spectrum (Z80 - ~ 1995-1999)
      MS-DOC (x86 - ~ 1995-1999) - (in service)
      Windows 3.11 (x86 - ~ 1995-1999) - (in the service)
      Windows 95 (x86 - ~ 1995-1999) - (in the service)
      Windows 98 (x86 - ~ 1998-2000) - (in the service)
      Windows 98 SP2 (x86 - ~ 1999-2001) - (in the service)
      AMIGA OS 3.1 (68xxx - ~ 1992-1999)
      AMIGA OS 3.5 (68xxx - ~ 1999-2001)
      AMIGA OS 3.9 (68xxx + PPC - ~ 2001-2018)
      Mac OS 7.5-6 (68xxx - ~ 1997-1999)
      Mac OS 8.1 (68xxx - ~ 1999-2001)
      Windows Millenium (x86 - ~ 2002-2003) - (in service)
      Windows 2000 (x86 - ~ 2002-2003) - (in the service)
      Windows XP (x86 - ~ 2004-2010) - (in the service)
      Windows Vista (x86 - ~ 2009-2010) - (in service)
      ASP Linux 9 (x86 - ~ 2004-2005) - (in service)
      Mandrake Linux 10.0-1 (x86 - ~ 2005-2008) -
      Alt Linux 4.1 (x86 - ~ 2008-2010)
      Yelloy Dog Linux 6.1-2 (PPC - ~ 2008-2018)
      Red Ribbon Linux 5-7 (PPC - 2011-2018)
      Android 2.1-2 (ARM - 2010-2011)
      Lubuntu Linux 11.10-12.10 (ARM --2010-2018)
      Mac OS X (PPC - 2015-2018)
      Debian Linux 6-9 (PPC-2015-2018)
    2. LeonidL
      LeonidL 30 September 2018 04: 47
      0
      Is China's consumer goods dear? Who doubts this? But purely firmware and bookmarks from friends and partners.
  24. yehat
    yehat 29 September 2018 14: 38
    0
    The Russian Federation returned with the policy of the USSR when it is trying for internal needs to create computer hardware and software, with only one amendment - on a scale much smaller and to a large extent on a foreign element base
  25. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 29 September 2018 15: 50
    +1
    In order to be your own and work with the whole world, you need to invest in your own and make for yourself what is needed and in full (this is a kind of another space program for us). To be ours - you need to do and develop!
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 September 2018 19: 56
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwg21Uua9Bs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcxA0bv6iNY


    With regards to Elbrus ...
  27. volgro
    volgro 29 September 2018 20: 45
    0
    It has long been said that we have missed this technological order and hopelessly lagged behind. Overtake everyone in the new technological order. There will be electronics but new physical principles, and then it’s worth it to sell its operating system and sell it to the whole world.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 30 September 2018 04: 48
      0
      Already done - quantum computers.
  28. super duper
    super duper 29 September 2018 21: 05
    -2
    I mean buy and translate? That is, the United States has been your potential number 1 opponent for many years and right now American processors and American software are working in the Moscow Region, and all smartphones have Android and Ayos ???? And you say that the United States considers the Russian Federation a serious enemy? :))))
  29. ont65
    ont65 30 September 2018 00: 14
    0
    Not that the department, few states can organize both special environmental protection measures and special infrastructure for their own tasks of communication and management. - Parallel reality for most. And it’s quite at the level, both in terms of the quality of the performance technique and the reasonableness of this special software. Well, it’s necessary, it’s so. In addition, this is the testing ground for running information technologies in the defense structure. Scientific military thought, in any case, got its own instrument, on which it still has to work and work. Like Tokarev over his AK.
  30. D. Dan
    D. Dan 30 September 2018 06: 45
    +1
    And right, it's time. And the fact that iron is expensive, so think that you can hammer nails with these know-how, but in such a design everything is always expensive! To demolish a holey Windows.
  31. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 30 September 2018 09: 54
    0
    And the name of the operating system itself could be thought out more seriously, well, let it be based on the Linux kernel, like makoshi on the Unix ...
    Astralinux ...
    Astra is a flower, beautiful, but is it appropriate ...
    with the same success could be Roza, Azalia or even Cornflowers ...
    And then where is the competition for the name of the domestic OS brand ....