Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 6. Unnatural ukromova

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Such an attribute of Ukrainian statehood as the state language and story its origin is also shrouded in the veils of mystery, myths and legends. In this regard, the question arises why all attempts to impose it by force and make it native to all citizens of Ukraine are rejected by the overwhelming majority and what underlies such aversion.

Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 6. Unnatural ukromova




According to the official Ukrainian myth, this is an ancient Old Ukrainian language, which was spoken by no less ancient Ukrainian nation, it existed already in the XIII century, and began to form from the VI century. This is just a scientific propaganda of cheap and primitive myths, but there are even more fantastic legends stating that "the Ukrainian language is one of the ancient languages ​​of the world ... there is every reason to believe that already at the beginning of our calendar it was an intertribal language."

This nonsense is not confirmed by any written monuments and documents of ancient Russia. Historical documents on the basis of which such conclusions can be drawn simply do not exist.

In the 10th – 13th centuries, medieval Russia spoke and wrote in a single ancient Russian language, which had regional differences and was created on the basis of the fusion of the local spoken language with the newly arrived Church Slavonic language. And you do not need to be a philologist to see in the Old Russian language, in which chronicles and birch bark letters were written, a prototype of the modern literary Russian language. That is why ukromifotvortsy and reject the existence of a single ancient Russian language.

The most interesting thing is that the founding of the all-Russian literary language, which began to take shape around the seventeenth century, was laid by the Little Russians, using the Western Russian language traditions and the Kiev edition of Church Slavonic as its material. Through their efforts, a powerful stream of elements of Western Russian secular and business speech entered the vocabulary of the upper classes and, through it, the dictionary of secular, literary and clerical languages. It was their creative heritage that Lomonosov and Pushkin developed, forming a world-wide language.

The first “Slavic” grammar, written by Little Russia Meletii Smotritsky as early as 1618 and serving as a textbook in all schools from Kiev to Moscow and St. Petersburg until the end of the 18th century, serves as confirmation of the common origin of Little-Russian and Great-Russian dialects.

Where did the Little Russian dialect come from? This is the Old Russian language, abundantly diluted by Polish borrowings as a result of everyday communication between Russian serfs of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and their masters and who had adopted words and phrases from the language of the Polish gentry for several centuries. This is the language of the village, it is beautiful and melodious, but too primitive to be the language of literature and science. Over time, he was increasingly approaching the Polish language in his vocabulary, and only the return of Little Russia to the bosom of the Russian state interrupted this process.

No written documents, somehow reminiscent of the modern Ukrainian language, exist in nature. Take the Khmelnitsky documents of the XVII century, the documents of the Rusins ​​of Galicia of the XVIII century, they easily guessed Old Russian language, quite tolerably readable by modern man. Only in the 19th century, Kotlyarevsky and other Ukrainophiles attempted to write in Little Russian dialect using Russian grammar.

Taras Shevchenko also wrote part of his works in this dialect, throwing out the fierce anger of the former serf on their masters. Neither he nor Kotlyarevsky had heard about the “Ukrainian Mova”, and if they had learned about it, they would most likely have turned over from annoyance in their coffins. Yes, and Kobzar wrote diaries in Russian, calling his homeland Little Russia.

Shevchenko’s friend Ukrainophile Kulish tried to turn the Little Russian dialect into a cultural language, composed phonetic spelling, the so-called kulishovka, and tried to translate the Bible into it. But nothing came of it, since the adverb was used exclusively by the peasants and included only the words needed in rural life.

Where did the Ukrainian literary language of the 19th century come from and why is it in such contradiction with the evolution of the Old Russian language? The Austrian-Polish authorities of Galicia, in order to create a “Ukrainian nation,” decided to develop a different language for the Ruthenians of Galicia, Bukovina and Transcarpathia and implement it in the education system and office work. Previously, such steps have already been taken, and in 1859, they tried to impose a Latin-based language on the Ruthenians, but the mass protests of the Ruthenians forced them to abandon such a venture.

In order to maximize the differences, the basis of the artificially created “Ukrainian” language was laid not in the Poltava-Cherkasy dialect of the Little-Russian dialect, but in Galician, incomprehensible in the central and eastern regions. Central and Eastern Ukrainian dialects were considered the result of violent russification and therefore were unworthy as the basis of Ukrainian literary language.

The new language was introduced on the basis of phonetic spelling - both I hear and write, using Cyrillic on the basis of "kulishovka". But the Russophobia Ukrainizers didn’t stop only on phonetics. From the Russian alphabet, they threw out such letters as "s", "e", "ъ" and at the same time introduced new ones: "є", "ї" and apostrophe. To further distinguish the Ukrainian newspeak from the Russian language, separate words, at least a little resembling Russian, were deliberately thrown out and replaced by Polish and German, or new ones were invented.

Thus, instead of the popular word “hold”, “trimata” are introduced, instead of “wait” - “chekaty”, instead of “offered” - “proponuvaly”.

In confirmation, you can look at the so-called "Ukrainian" words of Polish origin.

ale - ale - but
amator - amator - amateur
wyazen - więzien - prisoner
dzob - dziob - beak
Lead - ledwie - barely
item - lament - howl
parasolka - parasolka - umbrella
Tsegla - cegla - brick
Zwintar - cwentarz - cemetery
szlachetny - noble

As a basis for the “Ukrainian language”, the founding fathers used commonplace peasant speech, adapted only to the description of peasant life, therefore, the Ukrainian language very much resembles a distorted Russian with too much “popular vocabulary” on the verge of decency.

In 1892, the Shevchenko Partnership submits a draft on the introduction of phonetic spelling in print and educational institutions, and in 1893, the Austro-Hungarian parliament approves the spelling of the “Ukrainian language” for its provinces inhabited by the Ruthenians.

So, by the decree of the Austro-Hungarian parliament at the end of the 19th century, an artificially invented Ukrainian language was born, which was never native to the Ukrainians, and it becomes clear why it does not take root in modern Ukraine.

A prominent Ukrainophile Nechuy-Levitsky, analyzing the invented language, was forced to come to the conclusion that it resembled a caricature of the national language, and this is some kind of “curved mirror” of the Ukrainian language. The abundance of “i” and “ї” in the Ukrainian texts, in his opinion, evokes associations in readership with glasses covered with flies. This is not the Ukrainian language, but “devilry under the supposedly Ukrainian sauce.” But in spite of everything, to write “in Ukrainian” has since meant not just to be creative, but to fulfill the national mission.

At the beginning of the 20th century, Austro-Polish philologists began to export the invented ukromova to Little Russia, they organized a periodical press on it in large cities and published books. But the Galician “mova” was perceived as an abracadabra, since cultured people who understood it simply did not exist. The local residents could not read the books and press printed on it, and all this ended in failure, publications in several issues ordered to live long.

At the time of the UNR, attempts to introduce ukromov also led to the collapse of this undertaking. The population did not want to speak in an artificial language and protested against the forced Ukrainization of the south-western region.

And only with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, the Ukromova created in Galicia was implanted in all spheres of public life during the harsh Soviet Ukrainization carried out by the “iron” Lazar Kaganovich. He relied not on the people, but on the party-state apparatus and the 50-thousandth army of enlighteners invited from Galicia. In this regard, the head of the Ukrainian SSR Chubar said: "We need to bring the Ukrainian language closer to the understanding of the broad masses of the Ukrainian people."

Kaganovich took up the matter with his characteristic determination. All employees of enterprises and institutions, even cleaners and janitors, were ordered to switch to the Ukrainian language. Linguistic violence has created animosity of the population towards the “Ukrainian” language, and a lot of jokes have appeared that made the “Ukrainian” language laugh.

Administrative methods "Ukrainized" the press, publishing, radio, cinema and theaters. It was forbidden to duplicate in Russian, even signs and ads. The study of the Russian language was actually equivalent to the study of foreign languages. For the lack of knowledge of the Ridova Mova, anyone could lose a job, even a cleaning woman.

By the beginning of the 30's, the results were impressive. Over 80% of schools and 30% of universities conducted tuition at ukromov. On it native 90% of newspapers and 85% of magazines were printed. Ukrainized Stavropol and Krasnodar Territory. All this was unsuccessful and very much reminds of today's times the same attempt to make everyone not only speak, but also think in the ukromov.

The people did not want to ukrinizirovatsya and did not speak the Ukrainian language. The whole process, having met with the passive resistance of the people, gradually faded away, and the Soviet stage of promoting the secluded ones also ended in defeat. She was not loved and did not recognize her mother, but they were forced to teach.

As a result, we can say that even according to American studies, 83% of the population of Ukraine considers Russian as its native language. Despite the paper-state status of the ukromovs, she was never native to him, something like Esperanto. Having become a state, it is today the language of officials, politicians, part of the intelligentsia and the Ukrainian village obsessed with the "great Ukrainian nation". For the overwhelming majority of the population of Ukraine, their family has always been “great and mighty.” Hence the implacable craving for Russian culture, which cannot be broken by any dictates of the Ukrainian state.
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  1. +4
    29 September 2018 05: 58
    Moreover, Kotlyarevshchina has about the same relation to literature as Shnur's songs to opera singing. Not to mention that this is not even an independent work, but a translation of Osipov's already banter - "The Aeneid, turned inside out". By the way, an employee of the Secret Office of the Republic of Ingushetia. That is, the very attempts to pass off Kotlyarevsky as the founder of Ukrainian literature ... wassat
    1. +3
      29 September 2018 06: 49
      Quote: Jerk
      That is, the attempts themselves to pass Kotlyarevsky as the founder of Ukrainian literature ...

      What confuses you with this opinion? What is literature - such is the founder.
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    1. -2
      29 September 2018 21: 08
      Quote: already a Muscovite
      But watching horror movies is fun.

      this is a joke, the more bloodsucking - this is already "Azarovism"
      In Twilight there are no such questions and answers, especially about cars and photos in the passport ..
      joke ... and the Ukrainian joke is "cooler" ...
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      1. +1
        30 September 2018 00: 09
        Quote: alexhol
        native Muscovite-Tajik

        Wet mriies of stupid Russophobes .... There are many less Tajiks in Moscow than Litsvinians in Mensk ...
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    1. +4
      29 September 2018 13: 25
      In fact, Kievan Rus existed as a single state, and in this case there is a need for a single language for the state. administration, therefore, the written monuments that are left just, mainly by persons involved in the state. structures and churches turn out to be more or less similar. And as they said in the villages then, it is no longer possible to recognize it without a time machine, even in the 19th century in developed Europe, the languages ​​of the city and the countryside could differ to a complete misunderstanding. And the Poles understood the Kievites then, or not, also from the category "and the hell knows." Perhaps the ruling elite understood each other. Somewhere at the level of modern understanding between the leaderships of South and North Korea, which for 60+ years have already accumulated so many linguistic differences that they already have a real language problem.
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      2. 0
        3 October 2018 16: 06
        Even before the advent of Kievan Rus, there was a single language, only adverbs differed, the creation of the state by the Ruriks was only the unification of lands and the centralization of power, after the state-forming ethnic group or social group, Russia. And the East Slavic language was used by all Slavs from the 6th century
    2. +1
      2 October 2018 15: 28
      In what language is "The Lay of Igor's Campaign" written? If the Novgorodians were in Svetoslav's detachments, what language did they communicate? By the way, recall that this work was written no later than 1187.
      1. -1
        4 October 2018 20: 46
        Quote: Turkir
        In what language is "The Lay of Igor's Campaign" written? If the Novgorodians were in Svetoslav's detachments, what language did they communicate? By the way, recall that this work was written no later than 1187.

        "The word about Igor's regiment" was written no earlier than 1780, earlier versions do not exist in nature.
        1. -1
          18 October 2018 08: 48
          You are not in the subject. Do not write about things that you do not understand.
          1. -1
            18 October 2018 12: 21
            Quote: Turkir
            You are not in the subject. Do not write about things that you do not understand.

            This, you are not in the subject do not write about things that do not understand. The earliest existing original of this work dates back to the 1780th year of our era, there is no reason to consider this work as more ancient, except for the conscientious statements of uneducated historians.
            1. -1
              24 October 2018 16: 21
              Do not write with such aplomb about things you do not understand.
              In Soviet science, it is now possible to distinguish 4 points of view regarding the date of creation of the "Lay", set out with a detailed argumentation: 1) 1185; 2) 1187; 3) 1194-1196; 4) 1198-1199 <...> ... the existing points of view on the time of writing the Lay do not seem convincingly substantiated. The lower date of writing the poem (in the form that has come down to us) can be considered the time of the return from captivity of Vladimir Igorevich (August - September 1188). Top date the death of Vsevolod Svyatoslavich is represented, to whom glory is proclaimed in the poem (May 1196). This date can be reduced, proceeding from the fact that the Polovtsians at the time of writing the Lay should pose a significant danger - one cannot ignore the sincerity of the author's call to protect the Russian land from them. For 1194-1196. there is no information about military operations against the Polovtsians. Consequently, the "Word" was most likely written between 1188-1193. <...> Thus, there is hardly any reason to see in the extant text of "The Lay of Igor's Campaign" hints of any events that took place after the middle of 1188, and two assumptions can be made about the time of the creation of the poem: 1 ) "The Word" was created in its entirety in the fall of 1188; 2) The "Word" was created in 1185, and in 1188, after the return of Vladimir Igorevich and Vsevolod Svyatoslavich from captivity, the dialogue between Konchak and Gzak and the proclamation of "glory" to the young princes were included in it. "

              There is not a word about any 1780. Well, if you read Klein and other historians like him, then the "Word" is a fake. This muttering has long been known.
              It would be nice to know the opinion of linguists.
              1. 0
                24 October 2018 20: 42
                Quote: Turkir
                There is not a single word about any 1780 year.

                The year 1780 is the date of the birth of the earliest known sample of the "word", everything else is idle speculation of historians, not confirmed by scientific facts. "The Word about Igor's Host" is a work of art, not a historical document, and its content cannot serve as proof of anything. So the facts are that "The Lay of Igor's Campaign" was written about 1780 and there is no reason to consider it earlier.
  4. +8
    29 September 2018 13: 09
    But now you can always write "peremoga" in Russian, and everyone understands that we are talking about something shameful, which is presented as a victory, or "well, sho, zili!", And everyone understands sarcasm or irony. Well, how does an airplane differ from a litak ...
  5. +1
    29 September 2018 13: 16
    What can I say, they say, no matter how cool it sounded, and they will say, language is language.
  6. -2
    29 September 2018 15: 49
    Normal article with manners of great-power chauvinism.
    For proforma.
    I am not Ukrainian, Maidan with its consequences in the form of glorification of Bandera and the company do not support. He grew up in western Ukraine, but has been there for almost 30 years and has not been there since then.
    I consider Russian as my native language, but I speak Ukrainian as Russian - at the level of my native language. There were good teachers and practically all the environment and communication even in the days of the USSR in Western Ukraine was in the Ukrainian language (regional center in western Ukraine).
    The preamble is so ..
    So, in my opinion.
    1. Ukrainian is 100% language no worse than Russian.
    2. It is very close to Slavic languages: after a very short phase of getting used to it, thanks to my knowledge of Ukrainian, I understand the local language in any Slavic country and if I speak Ukrainian, they understand me.
    3. The Russian language is the most "dissimilar" of all Slavic languages, and in Slavic countries it is much more difficult for people who know only Russian to understand the local language, and the local Slavs, if they have not studied Russian, understand Russian-speaking very poorly.
    4. Since childhood, I love Kotlyarevsky. Naturally read it in Ukrainian.
    By the way, in addition to Aeneid, he has very worthy works. Sabatons of Abu Qashima, Lys Mykita ...
    5. I read a lot in childhood. If in the library what I wanted to read was in Ukrainian (translation) - I took it without hesitation and got no less pleasure from reading than in Russian.
    6. And the last. In Ukraine, as in any country, the population must know the state language - Ukrainian. The problem is that for a number of historical reasons, a very large part of the population does not speak the state language. Even ethnic Ukrainians. It is a matter of time and desire.
    Anyway, in a generation, everyone will know Ukrainian in Ukraine.
    This is inevitable, like a crisis under capitalism.
    So, in my opinion, it's time for the Russians to stop looking down on the Ukrainian language. The language of another people and another country.
    The Russians should not care.
    Throw cons. Only on the topic of the Ukrainian language and do not drag down a plane shot down by the Syrians.
    1. +9
      29 September 2018 17: 21
      What else could compatriot Lazar Kaganovich write.
      1. -7
        29 September 2018 18: 13
        Quote: Operator
        What else could compatriot Lazar Kaganovich write.

        laughing
        How deep.
        Is Kaganovich a swear word now? I understood. Not only deep but also subtle.
        By the way, Kaganovich was the last Jewish high-level manager in the USSR. After his death, the Jews did not rise above the deputy director of sales or supply.
        This is what the USSR looked like. After the rise and restoration of the post-war years (under the leadership of the Jews) - the sale of energy and stagnation of stagnation.
        1. +6
          29 September 2018 18: 42
          And I thought that just in 37-38 they threw out Jews from the authorities and immediately made a fool less, as did the people who turned out there only because their folders were shopkeepers before the revolution and could give children a little more education than simple peasants, but who did not like Russia.
          1. -11
            29 September 2018 19: 16
            Quote: EvilLion
            And I thought that just in 37-38 they threw out Jews from the authorities and immediately made a fool less, as did the people who turned out there only because their folders were shopkeepers before the revolution and could give children a little more education than simple peasants, but who did not like Russia.

            Yes. Cleaned up well. But read about the gulag and about who built communism and raised the country after the war. Built absolutely free. For food and who directed it all.
            By the way, I hope another generation of citizens of a nasal nationality in Russia will not be at all. Amen.
            1. +1
              29 September 2018 19: 42
              Quote: brigadir
              But read about the gulag and about who built communism and raised the country after the war.

              Quote, read.
            2. +1
              30 September 2018 01: 53
              Are you going to poke me into what to read and at the same time let go of the pearls about the "free gulag" ?? Kid, you would turn on your brain and think how much it costs to guard the camp and deliver only supplies to it. I'm not even saying that even such a simple object as a metal spoon in the amount of millions cannot be made without the participation of highly qualified technologists, who simply do not exist in the camps. The camp can do extremely simple and monotonous work that can be taught to anyone. At the same time, there was also money in the Gulag, and retail outlets, that one. who worked well could well buy something for himself, although it is not a fact that everywhere, of course. On the whole, the GULAG is intended to be occupied and beaten off with work at least part of the cost of its maintenance. I had a city here already in the 70s, prisoners built, there are a lot of problems with them.

              At the same time, there are no monuments of GULAG's work on the territory of Russia, there are canals, but there are a huge number of objects built by German prisoners who were 3 million and which EMNIP started to repatriate from 1950. A million people are VERY much, even with shovels they can do a lot and consume a lot, so it’s impossible to keep them away from civilization.
        2. +1
          29 September 2018 19: 48
          Quote: brigadir
          This is what the USSR looked like. After the rise and restoration of the post-war years (under the leadership of the Jews) - the sale of energy and stagnation of stagnation.

          by 90 years in the USSR, Jews are 80% of scientific personnel, 70 rectors of educational institutions, 90% of supply managers, Jews are the most educated layer of Russian society, I think, due to national traditions, naturally there is a greater demand from them.
          1. -8
            29 September 2018 20: 06
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: brigadir
            This is what the USSR looked like. After the rise and restoration of the post-war years (under the leadership of the Jews) - the sale of energy and stagnation of stagnation.

            by 90 years in the USSR, Jews are 80% of scientific personnel, 70 rectors of educational institutions, 90% of supply managers, Jews are the most educated layer of Russian society, I think, due to national traditions, naturally there is a greater demand from them.

            Where does this data come from? By the 90s, there was nothing serious about the Jews. Tolerance It just wasn’t. Neither in serious science nor in managers even of middle rank. Even the party card did not help.
            Teachers, doctors, engineers, university professors, trade. All.
            Maybe mathematics at some level, but nothing applied.

            This is not the topic of the article. We are talking about shiru movu rooted.
            1. -2
              29 September 2018 22: 37
              Quote: brigadir
              Where does this data come from?

              I myself have a degree, received in the 90s. A bunch of friends, plus I read. I have my own statistics. I assure you that the most important anti-Semite in Russia is Solzhenitsyn. He wrote such a book - 200 years together. It is disgusting to read this, but the statistical samples there are very documentary. An interesting series of articles by A. Kurlyandchik
            2. +2
              30 September 2018 13: 08
              By the 90s, there was nothing serious about the Jews. Tolerance It just wasn’t. Neither in serious science nor in managers even of middle rank. Even the party card did not help.

              Here they lie and do not blush. Tolerance is poked in the face of everyone. There were Jews everywhere. In any layer of society. It’s especially interesting to read some biographies of representatives of your people where it is mentioned how Jews got jobs in very tasty positions when traveling abroad. It all comes down to one factor: in the selection committee the main person was with a purely Jewish nationality.
          2. +2
            30 September 2018 01: 55
            Have you been stoned, can you name many Jewish names? This is despite the fact that ethnic Jews like Mikhail Moiseyevich Botvinnik, or Anatoly Wasserman are already difficult to regard as Jews, they are completely Russian in mentality.
        3. +3
          29 September 2018 21: 33
          Quote: brigadir
          Quote: Operator
          What else could compatriot Lazar Kaganovich write.

          laughing
          How deep.
          Is Kaganovich a swear word now? I understood. Not only deep but also subtle.
          By the way, Kaganovich was the last Jewish high-level manager in the USSR. After his death, the Jews did not rise above the deputy director of sales or supply.
          This is what the USSR looked like. After the rise and restoration of the post-war years (under the leadership of the Jews) - the sale of energy and stagnation of stagnation.

          Oh how. But what about what you said:

          brigadir (Mashak Mamterot) Today, 15:49
          +2
          Normal article with manners of great-power chauvinism.

          That is, the Russians are goyim chauvinists, and the fluffy Jews are internationalists? Maybe look in the history of the site, what words "God's chosen" audience calls the Arabs?
          1. -7
            29 September 2018 22: 12
            That is, the Russians are goyim chauvinists, and the fluffy Jews are internationalists? Maybe look in the history of the site, what words "God's chosen" audience calls the Arabs?

            Well, a simple question - the answer is yes or no.
            Do Ukrainians (Jews, Belarusians) have the right to their language, statehood, history and culture?
            If not, then you are a great-power chauvinist. If so, why this article, for example, and dozens more similar to it?
            1. +4
              30 September 2018 00: 21
              Quote: brigadir
              Do Ukrainians (Jews, Belarusians) have the right to their language, statehood, history and culture?

              Even the nasty goose goblins have the right to do so. But if the goblins begin to build their identity on the groaning of noble elves, then one should not be offended that the noble elves consider them imbecile mutants.
            2. +5
              30 September 2018 01: 57
              This question is incorrect. Statehood they have already given. It turned out that there was no sense to them, only harm. So it may be enough to engage in nonsense, diverting the strength of Russia from something useful solely for the right of ukroseparatistov to rob native Russian territories, hiding behind movoy, Putin's aggression and other nonsense.
    2. +4
      29 September 2018 18: 40
      Yes Yes. Interestingly, other Slavic languages ​​for some reason do not sound like a spoiled Russian. Probably because they are real, unlike Mova.
      1. -5
        29 September 2018 18: 44
        Quote: EvilLion
        Yes Yes. Interestingly, other Slavic languages ​​for some reason do not sound like a spoiled Russian. Probably because they are real, unlike Mova.

        How well do you know the Ukrainian language to judge it?
        How do you sound Serbo-Croatian?
        Can you hear Portuguese as spoiled Spanish?
        How is your Ukrainians all the same?
        1. +2
          30 September 2018 02: 03
          Generally speaking, Portugal is, strictly speaking, and there is a Spanish borderland, it just exists as an independent state since the days of feudalism, when it was normal for everyone. Def. There is a level of mutual understanding between the Spaniards and the Portuguese, perhaps the Spaniards hear Portuguese that way, but there is a difficulty, by Spanish we mean what is called Castilian in Spain itself. But there are other dialects, which for the speakers of the standard Castilian will sound like for the cultured Russian the illiterate muttering of rural drunks, unable to pronounce any complicated words normally and generating pearls like "Svidomo" instead of "awareness".
      2. -6
        29 September 2018 19: 32
        Well, for the Ukrainian ear, on the contrary - Russian sounds like a warped Ukrainian. And what does this prove?
        1. +11
          29 September 2018 21: 35
          Quote: Keith Land
          Well, for the Ukrainian ear, on the contrary - Russian sounds like a warped Ukrainian. And what does this prove?


          “He is a bastard,” Turbin continued with hatred, “because he himself does not speak this language!” BUT? The day before yesterday I asked this channel, Dr. Kuritsky, if you were so kind as to see, he forgot how to speak Russian since last November. There was Kuritsky, and became Kuritsky ... So I ask: how is the “cat” in Ukrainian? He answers "whale." I ask: “What about a whale?” But he stopped, his eyes widened and he was silent. And now does not bow.
          Nikolka burst out laughing and said:
          - They cannot have the word “whale”, because there are no whales in Ukraine, but in Russia there are many. There are whales in the White Sea ...

          M.A. Bulgakov
          1. -4
            29 September 2018 22: 15
            This passage from my favorite Bulgakov is always given when they want to humiliate the Ukrainian language. But he is not about the Ukrainian language. He is about people. About Kuritsky.
        2. +5
          30 September 2018 01: 58
          It proves only that you are lying, because without a piece of paper you don’t know any language.
      3. +1
        29 September 2018 22: 44
        Quote: EvilLion
        Yes Yes. It is interesting that for some reason other Slavic languages ​​do not sound like spoiled Russian.

        Belarusian too
        1. 0
          30 September 2018 02: 05
          Also spoiled Russian. "I said BYAROZA means BYAROZA". "I have already fooled my government more than once," and so on.
    3. -2
      29 September 2018 19: 29
      Quote: brigadir
      So, in my opinion, it's time for the Russians to stop looking down on the Ukrainian language. The language of another people and another country.

      Quote: brigadir
      Normal article with manners of great-power chauvinism.

      You know, I think you're right. However, understand the language unites people. For 70 years of Soviet power, no one has especially encroached on any national language. On the contrary, there were sometimes successful, sometimes clumsy, official holidays with the participation of people in national costumes with national songs, dances, etc. .. And now in Ukraine there is a cult of Russophobia. It is depressing. For example, I am tormented by nostalgia for the USSR.
      1. -4
        29 September 2018 19: 53
        There were positive points. Looking back, I am no longer sure how sincere this friendship of peoples was. Even without quotes.
        I do not know what is in Ukraine. Russians have never been loved there. Back in Soviet times. And now, after all things - and even more so. I think there is a phobia not to the Russians as to the people, but to the country of Russia.
        And in Russia, in my opinion, a phobia to all, without exception. Everyone is in line. The last week is the Jews and Israel. Then again the Ukrainians ... Then the Americans ... The British ... The queue will reach everyone. This is sad.
        1. +3
          29 September 2018 22: 13
          Quote: brigadir
          Looking back, I am no longer sure how sincere this friendship of peoples was. Even without quotes.

          In principle, there can be no "friendship of peoples". This is one example of an attempt to build a Utopia in the real world. Individual representatives of different nations can be friends, and this is a completely different matter.
          Quote: brigadir
          And in Russia, in my opinion, a phobia to all, without exception. Everyone is in line.

          Who are you talking about? About those who want to put their military bases as close to our borders as possible?
          1. -9
            29 September 2018 22: 26
            Friendship of peoples can be. Those. certainly this is the relationship of individuals. But I think that Italians and French, by and large, do not have bad feelings for each other. Like for example now Russians and Ukrainians.
            Do you seriously think that anyone is plotting an armed attack on the nuclear power of Russia ?! Builds for this base?
            I am inclined to think that they (Poland, the Baltic states) are simply afraid of Russia. In my opinion, too, in vain. Why the hell did they fall to Russia ?! But this is politics, geopolitics and financing of military expenses. That's how they lived.
            1. +1
              30 September 2018 00: 33
              Quote: brigadir
              I am inclined to think that they (Poland, the Baltic states) are simply afraid of Russia

              And what should they not be afraid if they live right on the radioactive safety belt?
            2. +6
              30 September 2018 02: 12
              In fact, in Russia there is no hatred for anyone, nor is there a desire to cringe in front of someone. From the point of view of Russians, there is the USA, there is China, there is the EU, there is even France, which are equal for us, they live there as they want, we do not impose anything on them, and we are not afraid of them. There are all sorts of CARs, where some black people live, well, figs with them.

              As for the plans of the attack, the last major attack cost us, according to realistic estimates of 18-19 million lives, and then the United States planned all sorts of nuclear aggression. So sorry, but it's funny to read this from a representative of a country that constantly commits terrorist acts, destroying by prom. objects in other states and constantly require something for some offense from Hitler 80-year-old.

              The Baltic states, without Russophobia and the "Russian threat", are not able to explain to their population why every year it is more and more in the ass.
            3. +4
              30 September 2018 06: 16
              Quote: brigadir
              Do you seriously think that anyone is plotting an armed attack on the nuclear power of Russia ?! Builds for this base?
              I am inclined to think that they (Poland, the Baltic states) are simply afraid of Russia.

              Hitler was also afraid of Russia. I was very afraid! Therefore (according to his statements) and attacked, to eliminate the threat.
              Like the western beasts that attacked Iraq in 2003, they also "eliminated" the threat of weapons of mass destruction.
              A million corpses and igil-result.
              And, in fact, you are right, only the strategic nuclear forces of Russia keep the western beast from attacking the attack of Iraq. But, it always thinks about it, for this it was moving towards Russia, even when the USSR collapsed.
            4. +4
              30 September 2018 07: 14
              Quote: brigadir
              But I think that Italians and French, by and large, do not have bad feelings for each other.
              Because their states are not forced to share anything. Now, if, for any reason, disagreements begin between them that lead them to the brink of a serious / military conflict, then the attitude will immediately change. As a matter of fact, it has always been like this, and there is nothing new here.
              Quote: brigadir
              Do you seriously think that anyone is plotting an armed attack on the nuclear power of Russia ?! Builds for this base?
              Let's just say the United States would very much like to have such an opportunity, and if it arises, they will take advantage of it. Nothing personal just business.
              Quote: brigadir
              I am inclined to think that they (Poland, the Baltic states) are simply afraid of Russia. In my opinion, too, in vain. Why the hell did they fall to Russia ?!
              I do not think that their leadership does not understand this. But these countries are independent only on paper.
        2. -1
          29 September 2018 22: 41
          Quote: brigadir
          Looking back, I am no longer sure how sincere this friendship of peoples was. Even without quotes.

          I lived in the Magadan region in childhood and youth, people are absolutely all newcomers, no nationality was given any difference. Moreover, the best friend was a Chechen. Because of him, I love this nation.
        3. +4
          30 September 2018 06: 07
          Quote: brigadir
          Russians have never been loved there. Back in Soviet times. And now, after all things - and even more so.

          A lie, if only because many millions of Russians live there. Southeast of today's so-called. "Ukraine" has always been an integral part of Russia and fought and lived with it one life.
          The indigenous Russians fled from western Ukraine in 1915,
        4. -1
          5 October 2018 14: 05
          And who gives you the right to affirm that the Russians were not loved in Ukraine? What do you mean by Ukraine? Your Western territory?. So half of Ukraine did not like Zapadentsev. Left Ukraine and the whole north of Ukraine.
      2. +5
        30 September 2018 02: 06
        And it was necessary after the Second World War to cancel all the republics nafig.
    4. -5
      29 September 2018 19: 29
      I agree with everything that you wrote, there is almost nothing to add.
      It amazes me in general how people who do not know the language that they criticize, categorically declare something like this: "This is the language of the village, it is beautiful and melodious, but too primitive to be the language of literature and science" !!!
      Well, for me, Ukrainian is my native language along with Russian, and in my life I have shoveled a bunch of highly specialized literature in Ukrainian, which by no means has become somehow worse because it is in Ukrainian. Similarly, it carries information in the same volumes as analogues in other languages ​​- no better and no worse.
      And about the fact that many Ukrainians do not speak Ukrainian - well, yes, it happened historically; in an empire, all nations are gradually moving to the imperial language. The Czechs over there at one time almost lost Czech, having switched to German, but nothing - they revived their language. And the Ukrainians will revive.
      1. +6
        29 September 2018 19: 43
        Quote: Whale Land
        And about the fact that many Ukrainians do not speak Ukrainian - well, yes, it happened historically; in an empire, all nations are gradually moving to the imperial language.

        Actually, the article tells in detail that no language existed in nature.
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          1. +5
            30 September 2018 02: 12
            You can not revive something that never existed.
          2. +2
            30 September 2018 07: 17
            Quote: Whale Land
            listened to lively, melodious, figurative Ukrainian

            In order to maximize the difference, the artificially created "Ukrainian" language was based not on the Poltava-Cherkasy dialect of the Little Russian dialect, but on the mainstream Galician, obscure in the central and eastern regions.
            This one?
            Quote: Whale Land
            There is a state Ukraine - a UN member, there is a state language of Ukraine

            There is only one problem no one will mess with Ukraine as it was in the USSR.
          3. +5
            30 September 2018 10: 15
            ......... in the same Ukraine. ....... Now a new language is being created there, or rather, invented. A whole institute and several institutes abroad work in this direction in Ukraine. New words, expressions, new grammar are invented. It is clear that all this is much more primitive than the Russian dialect spoken in Ukraine. You must be able to distinguish between language and dialect. If a language has several dialects or branches, in fact, it is still one language. Because the speaker in one dialect .........
            ............... easily understand the speaker. Remember the famous performances of Tarapunka and Plugs? Jewish Plugs spoke Russian, and Tarapunka spoke Ukrainian. So what? They easily understood each other, and the whole USSR understood them well. Now the South Russian dialect is called the special Ukrainian language. Not only this, the newly made language is destroyed, replacing it with an artificial one. If this goes on, then in a couple of centuries the South Russian dialect will simply disappear. Ukrainians will speak on that “Lord, mix”, which they are now imposing. Another speech is not so bad, the trouble is that, through primitive vocabulary, the gene code of the whole ethnic group will be changed. In Ukraine, the Russian open and pure soul of the people will be exterminated. That's the horror ......... !!!
      2. +3
        29 September 2018 22: 51
        Quote: Whale Land
        The Czechs over there at one time almost lost Czech, having switched to German, but nothing - they revived their language. And the Ukrainians will revive.

        all will now revive languages, national culture, nat. customs .... and at this time in America they are already preparing methodologists for inciting ethnic hatred. Unlike the Soviet methodologists, these all work out. It turns out that people can be burned in broad daylight in the houses of trade unions.
      3. +2
        30 September 2018 00: 37
        Quote: Whale Land
        And the Ukrainians will revive.

        100 years Ukrainized -Ukrainized, but never Ukrainized ...
        The Svidomo's blue dream: to wake up one morning, and everyone has forgotten the Russian language and "they are spreading their tilki mova" ...
      4. +1
        4 October 2018 21: 03
        Quote: Whale Land
        It amazes me in general how people who do not know the language that they criticize, categorically declare something like this: "This is the language of the village, it is beautiful and melodious, but too primitive to be the language of literature and science" !!!

        This "language" war was started by your government. And yes - the transition to a more primitive language - leads to the mental degradation of the nation.
    5. -4
      29 September 2018 20: 08
      I doubt that it makes sense to comment on this "pain for the lost empire" ...
      the more so as a result of all we will be forced to learn Chinese :))
      1. 0
        29 September 2018 22: 52
        the Chinese are poorly assimilated
      2. +2
        30 September 2018 02: 13
        Well, learn. You can go there right now.
    6. +6
      29 September 2018 23: 42
      Quote: brigadir
      Russians should not care

      As if, Russians have been living there for centuries. And even while they speak their native language.
      Quote: brigadir
      . In Ukraine, as in any country, the population must know The official language is Ukrainian. The problem is that for a number of historical reasons, it’s very most of the population does not speak the state language. Even ethnic Ukrainians. It is a matter of time and desire.

      Interesting occurrence of this problem wink
      Quote: brigadir
      Ukrainian is a 100% language no worse than Russian.

      As I understand it, the best language is its native language, the one that my mother spoke. There are no better or worse languages. That's not the point.
      And what is the literary correct Ukrainian language? The one that is spoken in Lviv, or in Kiev, or in Donetsk?
      I came across an article by Ishchenko R.
      "There were still no massive Galician landings. The first immigrants from Western Ukraine, who timidly penetrated the capital, were still looked at as an ethnographic rarity, but part of what was called the intelligentsia under Soviet rule, and is now called the creative class, had already turned from Russians into Russian-speaking and began to rapidly turn into Ukrainians (more not believing that they were on the path that will lead them to Bandera, denying the very possibility of their conversion to Ukrainian nationalism) "

      "Sometimes there was a feeling that a certain virus appeared, developed and began to multiply uncontrollably in the air of the late Ukrainian SSR. The situation was reminiscent of a description of a medieval plague epidemic, which, on average, mowed down from a third to two thirds of the population, and for some reason the rest did not get sick."
      http://www.politicsglobal.ru/rostislav-ishhenko-k-voprosu-o-sdache-kryma-i-donbassa/
      Controversial article, but there are undeniable thoughts.
      PS
      Quote: brigadir
      I do not know what is in Ukraine. Russians have never been loved there. Back in Soviet times.

      In Western Ukraine, no doubt. Oh, in the West. And the fact that Russians themselves sometimes do not like themselves, too.
      1. 0
        1 October 2018 23: 49
        It depends on which Western Ukraine. In Transcarpathia, Russians were normally treated. Yes, and in the Chernivtsi region, in Volyn.
    7. +4
      30 September 2018 05: 48
      Quote: brigadir
      And the last one. In Ukraine, as in any country, the population must know the state language - Ukrainian.

      Nonsense. And precisely because
      Quote: brigadir
      according to a number of historical cause a very large part of the population does not speak the state language.

      And the reason is that the so-called. "Ukraine" is 50% of the RUSSIAN lands, forcibly shoved by the Bolsheviks on the so-called. "Ukraine", where RUSSIAN people live, although they have been forcibly turned over the course of a century into the so-called "Ukrainians".
      And in their own language they have the right!
      Quote: brigadir
      So, in my opinion, it's time for the Russians to stop looking down on the Ukrainian language. The language of another people and another country.

      Where is "from above" something? The story is like this. And they would make them learn Esperanto for a century, everyone would be patriots of this language. You including
      Quote: brigadir
      Russians before shouldn't be the case.

      For yourself, why don't you apply this rule? belay Look what a long eulogy about him gave birth .. lol
    8. 0
      2 October 2018 15: 34
      Oh, how "great-power chauvinism". Apparently there is nothing more to say.
      It would be nice to get acquainted with the works of historians and linguists.
      The question is not only how much a person reads, but also what he reads.
      Otherwise, there is a one-sided look, which is called in a simple way - overlook.
      How many points you did not list, there was no literary Ukrainian language, and no.
    9. +1
      3 October 2018 18: 29
      Quote: brigadir
      1. Ukrainian is 100% language no worse than Russian.

      Well, as a person who has grown up in Ukraine, I think it will not be difficult to translate the chemical term (ammonium hypochlorite) into Ukrainian, since this is a full-fledged language in your opinion
  7. -9
    29 September 2018 19: 46
    The author is handsome. But there is one small BUT! He started correctly for Kievan Rus and for the fact that there was one language. Its range was from the Baltic to the Black Sea. All right. Therefore, even after many centuries, the Pole understands the Ukrainian or Belarusian, and they also understand each other. For the proto-language was common. But Russian developed in parallel with something borrowing but developed independently. Therefore, the claim to the type of warped Russian among the Poles of Belarusians Ukrainians is simply an attempt to hide the fact of difference!
    1. +8
      29 September 2018 22: 15
      Quote: dgonni
      Its range was from the Baltic to the Black Sea

      Is the Baltic Poland or Ukraine?
      Quote: dgonni
      Therefore, even after many centuries, the Pole understands the Ukrainian or Belarusian, and they also understand each other.

      Given the fact that the Poles conquered these territories at one time and pursued a policy of rinsing, this is not surprising.
  8. +2
    29 September 2018 20: 00
    Normal article, funny
    Thanks to the author
  9. +6
    29 September 2018 21: 14
    Now Ukraine is undergoing violent Ukrainization. Scientific and technical terms are being invented from scratch. I also studied the Ukrainian language at school. But what I read now is far from the right language. What were the only new words on TV militia (police officers), Prime Minister woman) and others. A lot of Anglicisms appeared.
    And what about not love for the Russians, the "brigadier" is lying. This was not the case in the south-east of Ukraine for sure! More to say, immigrants from Western Ukraine who moved to the south-east in 1946-1950 have a negative attitude to the ideas of Bandera and other knights. And this is why now there is a savage treatment of young people in the spirit of nationalism and hatred of everything Russian. And in general about the love of peoples, nations, tell me who loves whom? For example, the type of Germans-French, Indians-English. Love is not the concept that is used in geopolitics.
    1. -2
      29 September 2018 21: 46
      Quote: Soul.
      Now Ukraine is undergoing violent Ukrainization. Scientific and technical terms are being invented from scratch. I also studied the Ukrainian language at school. But what I read now is far from the right language. What were the only new words on TV militia (police officers), Prime Minister woman) and others. A lot of Anglicisms appeared.
      And what about not love for the Russians, the "brigadier" is lying. This was not the case in the south-east of Ukraine for sure! More to say, immigrants from Western Ukraine who moved to the south-east in 1946-1950 have a negative attitude to the ideas of Bandera and other knights. And this is why now there is a savage treatment of young people in the spirit of nationalism and hatred of everything Russian. And in general about the love of peoples, nations, tell me who loves whom? For example, the type of Germans-French, Indians-English. Love is not the concept that is used in geopolitics.

      And what about not love for the Russians, the "brigadier" is lying. Did not have

      laughing I'm not lying. In the west of Ukraine in Soviet times they did not like dacs, do you know such a word? Even the children called him. Even I got - I studied at a Russian school.
      The return was - x o hol. I can’t remember the fight on this ground. Only for and yes I remember fought often. But this was already both the side of the kats and cold. Internationalism was so strong in the Union.
      1. 0
        29 September 2018 22: 59
        Quote: brigadir
        Only for and yes I remember fought often.

        this attitude is due to some of the thieves' songs that went around in the records. remember: - "Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...". there was nothing like that in official politics. In addition, if you love Jews you are a Zionist, if you do not love an anti-Semite wassat officials did not give a clear answer to who to be. Therefore, everyone tried to remain silent so as not to get into a mess.
        generally the word Jew on behalf of Judah jude is heard as a Jew, a rather unpleasant bible character. Here is such a set of associations. Therefore, you need to fight for a Jew angry
        1. 0
          30 September 2018 11: 32
          Yuda is quite popular and is now a name in Israel. In general, this is Yehuda. In Russian - Judea. After all, there were two kingdoms of Judea and Israel. The name with negative conotation is not from the Bible, but from the New Testament.

          And the fact that they do not like Jews, and even people who saw a living Jew only on TV, is a medical fact and will not change soon .... Most likely it will never change.
          We will live with it.
      2. +3
        30 September 2018 01: 37
        You are a liar. The cultures of Selyuk and urban did not intersect. And if there were conflicts, then exactly like in Russia, the village beat urban and vice versa. The language of Ukrainian cities was Russian.
        And about the one who does not love whom ... Well, you would be silent. The people of this planet have already proven their attitude towards you.
        1. -5
          30 September 2018 11: 03
          Quote: already a Muscovite
          You are a liar. The cultures of Selyuk and urban did not intersect. And if there were conflicts, then exactly like in Russia, the village beat urban and vice versa. The language of Ukrainian cities was Russian.
          And about the one who does not love whom ... Well, you would be silent. The people of this planet have already proven their attitude towards you.

          This does not add respect to the peoples of this planet. But we are familiar. We have been living like this for 2000 years .... And where are all these Romans?

          Kstani in our entire regional center in western Ukraine somewhere around 300k of the population in 1990 there were only 4 in my opinion Russian schools.
          So Ukrainian was quite a common language. And the Russian was more official or something.
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      4. 0
        4 October 2018 21: 19
        Quote: brigadir
        In the west of Ukraine in Soviet times they did not like dacs, do you know such a word? Even the children called him. Even I got - I studied at a Russian school.
        The return was - x o hol.

        These words are considered abusive only in Ukraine and Topvar.
  10. -9
    30 September 2018 04: 03
    Purely for fun: the author is a connoisseur of the Ukrainian language or not?
    Or judge the play by critics?
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 21: 21
      Quote: Severski
      Purely for fun: the author is a connoisseur of the Ukrainian language or not?

      It is impossible to be a connoisseur of emptiness.
  11. +2
    30 September 2018 06: 41
    Interesting. I put a plus
  12. -5
    30 September 2018 16: 24
    develop the economy - make Russia stronger, the economy will have money for culture ...
    but such articles will not help in any way, rather, on the contrary, they repel them from Russia with their chauvinism ...
  13. +8
    1 October 2018 16: 29
    About the Ukrainian language from the point of view of a person born there. Personally, my observations. I was born and spent all my childhood in the city of Kramatorsk. This is Ukraine now they say in Kiev. Well agree, this is Ukraine. They taught me Ukrainian school in its classic version. According to this, I am able to read and talk on mov despite the past years. In the city of Kramatorsk, no one spoke on a mov, if only in the bazaar one could hear surzhik from grandmothers selling seeds. They came to visit us and we went to relatives and friends in Kiev and Kharkov. Nobody ever spoke a word of love. In 50-60 years in Ukraine, in the cities of mov there was something virtual, artificial in everyday life and unnecessary. And what about pure Ukrainians. They are like that. Yes, the same way. On my mother’s side, from the paternal side, that neither are the most ambitious representatives of Ukrainians. Their genus, even according to current Ukrainian publications from serving Cossacks, is a representative of the centurion clan available by documents of the 18th century. So my grandfather never spoke a mov, and his great-grandfather, found him alive at a conscious age, considered himself not a Ukrainian, said that the Germans and the Bolsheviks came up with this name, shameful for a Russian, for the people. The last time I was in Kramatorsk in 2008 on business. Nobody spoke on the mov even then. And here it is interesting about the Shevchenko language. When you listen to Kiev TV on a mov, sometimes I look out of interest, it’s quite clear that the hosts do not know the language. Their language is not at all the Ukrainian language in which Shevchenko wrote. A wild mixture of Galician dialect with surzhik. It is impossible to instill a language into the population by violence. Only a higher culture and higher economy can change the language of the population over time. Modern Ukraine has neither one nor the other. So success in crowding out the Russian language is not expected, as if Svidomo did not want to.

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