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When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...

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Recently, in an article about an attempt by the Russian Interior Ministry to purchase computers running Windows (FAS puts the Ministry of Interior for computers without "Vind") we found out that our country has its own operating systems. It seems to be.


With a closer look here, as in the saying, not everything is so simple. But first things first.

Let's immediately stipulate that we will consider the software. We do not and will not have our own "iron". We will leave the passion for “Elbrus” for some other article, since the presence of our own processor is not the presence of all the hardware that is needed to build at least an office system integrator.

And in order to talk about their developments in the field of IT, we must live in the country about which we watch on TV, about which we are told very nicely, but in fact we have what we have.

So. Windows operating system. Everyone is familiar and at home and at work. Developed from 1985 year, at the moment the most global operating system (running on 89% of all computers). It looks beautiful, it sounds solid. Due to its mass character, the development of all major programs and application software is done with an emphasis on the Microsoft family.

Now let's recall the seemingly "our" products that are offered for replacement. Why quotes? Below we will sort it out. Let's say at once, all our products are based solely on the basis of the Linux kernel in older or newer versions.

Number of times.



The hero of the last article, "OS" (OS "OS") - a Linux kernel-based operating system with a modified interface that very much resembles (well, just copied) the KDE 3 shell. Immediately after installation contains a minimum set of software necessary for office work.

Number two.



ROSA (OS "ROSA") - also based on Linux, based on the same modified KDE. A set of software is no different from the rest.

However, since the devil (and the IT devil in particular) is in the details, then let's give more details.

Since we are talking about state structures that need domestic software protected from all adversity, let us designate the most frequently encountered programs at work. In order not to inflate the technical features, simply list.

The list, of course, is much longer and depends on the specification of the individual institution. We consider the example of a spherical military medical institution in a vacuum.

Microsoft Office, Microsoft Exchange, Microsoft Outlook, 1C, Crypto-PRO, VipNet, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mozilla Firefox web browser, MIS KAUZ, VLSI, Consultant Plus, FTS, RPF, Kaspersky products and Dr.Web.

In Windows, this often does not work properly, and we are here for Linux ... And if we add more constant updates, then in general we get a carnival with a transition to infinity.

For server systems - a separate topic, more extensive and extremely technical.

Of course, there are free analogues of most of the programs listed, which, in principle, can be put in a state institution, but this requires a separate permit in the form of certification.

Oh, certification is a procedure that causes some burning in the area of ​​the buttocks among the developers and integrators of information technologies in our country.

By the way, certification is carried out by the FSTEC (Federal Service for Technical and Export Control) and offices that have received a license to operate.

The story of software licensing in terms of adaptation to modern state structures for the night is better not to read, so we are, in brief.

Only 8 circles of hell, which begin with the application. The application is almost not painful, only about 300 pages with accompanying documents attached to you and your employees, with the exception, perhaps, of a birth certificate. It does not need to attach.

Yes, anyone who works in this area can not. Aby who, even brilliant, sit in the offices and set up Odinäsku. And here - only certified specialists who have a certain experience in this particular area, which coincides with the diploma.

So from the first time to get the desired certificate, not everyone is given, but this is not the worst. The worst thing is that your software, which you want to offer to government agencies, will be given a certificate for 3 of the year. And then all over again ...

But there is still the ninth circle of hell. This is when you received a certificate for your software, you still need to prove its necessity and importance. That is, having ditched the car of time, you can simply get an arccase in the style of “Ne Treba!”

True, without a certificate you will not even listen. And so at least some chance.

With the software package for Windows sorted out. Let's now look at analogues that are offered for Linux-based systems.

LibreOffice and OpenOffice, Mozilla Thunderbird, 1С, Crypto-PRO, VipNet, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mozilla Firefox. Everything! Then only dancing with tambourines using the Wine emulator or its paid versions of CrossOver and Cedega. And we have not yet taken into account specific handwritten programs that are written strictly for a particular institution.

And now let's move smoothly to the operating systems themselves, which are “ours”.

Let us outline what a Linux system is: it is a constructor. A constructor that is built from already developed software products based on the Linux kernel. They can be paid, free and modified file. This is if rude.

Drivers for filling and office equipment - a separate pain and red eyes of system administrators. Which, by the way, as specialists in Linux / Unix systems, not so much. And they want more money for their work than the Windows system administrator. But here, too, “ours” showed ingenuity. No experts? It does not matter - for some money we will do everything.

From here we conclude that in actual fact no they are not ours. None of the listed products is a domestic development, but simply part of the designer that our engineers have assembled.

Yes, so it is possible and the Bavarian auto industry, which is collected in Kaliningrad, our count. Another question is whether it will become such ...

Examples? How much you want.

“Rosa” was created on the ruins of the Mandriva operating system, which in turn is the development of French engineers.

“OS” did not pass the mandatory certification of FSTEC at all. Therefore, they have not been included in the register of domestic software for a long time. Separate greetings to Alexander Kulakov from Stopkartel, who offered it as an alternative to Windows.

But the products that these systems incorporate have no relation to our Fatherland at all. In addition, maybe all sorts of there 1C and "Consultants" with "Guarantors". Let's be honest here too. 1С only a couple of years ago introduced support for unix-systems.

And you can list endlessly, going into the technical aspects and features of the legal field.

As a result, we can say that tomorrow's bottom is near.

And if for a mass of reasons we cannot “into hardware,” then, with the exclusive base of Russian programmers, we should not be engaged in developing our own programs, but trying to make money from free products is a crime of the highest degree.

What kind of development of the IT sphere can we generally argue, if the main task is to make money, and even so stupidly? Not only that, and so we are behind the whole world by 15 years, so we also do not want to do anything with it, and we will not, apparently.

That seems to be the end of the article, but the taste of Rosnano is still in the mouth. It would be more correct to say about Peremogh, well, we are still a little patriots.

Oh yes! The economic component! Here, much is revealed. Check for yourself if you want.

Domestic developers modestly conceal the cost of the product and offer to find out "on request".

Yes, Microsoft doesn’t sell anything to us personally either and works through local representatives. Here the price varies from 7 TR before 200 TR on average for one license. You understand, depending on what.

The software in each case is purchased separately. The average cost of a finished workstation is about 80 TR. taking into account office equipment and a standard set of software.

Only one conclusion. You can not go with the flow in the field of information technology. Especially, if the information security of the state is in question. And we have a face of fraud, albeit not pure water, but clearly peeking out from under the shells of “domestic operating systems” —free developments by world-class specialists, which are now sold for quite specific thousands of rubles.

Well, the tension of the domestic information owl on the world globe in an attempt to give what is desired.

There is only one bright thought in all this muses. Now in our country there is not one company of smart people, which sells under the guise of “brain labor” just an assembly of free components, but two.

That is, we are getting competition so far that can lead to something positive. At a minimum, lower prices for former free products, and at the maximum, OS and ROSA companies will spend money on developing new projects.

This is already something. And there already and until the moment when there will be real domestic software development, within reach. Some years 10-15 ...
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  1. Vard
    Vard 28 September 2018 06: 26
    -2
    Problems with domestic software .. this is a lack of will and as a result of money ... A billion rubles for a submarine please ... But there is no operating system to develop ...
    1. tuts
      tuts 28 September 2018 06: 59
      +3
      there is a different order of numbers
      The data in my example is not accurate and is given to understand the depth of our depths.
      Conditionally, the state (represented by the customer) allocates 8 billion rubles a year for the development of the same compass.
      About 100 billion rubles are spent annually on the development of AutoCad by a developer.
    2. MrFox
      MrFox 28 September 2018 18: 19
      +3
      The Americans have no money for this either. Due to the complexity of the OS, the US military abandoned the development of its operating system and take advantage of what is on the market as part of the COTS ideology
    3. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 3 October 2018 05: 32
      +2
      Increasingly, there is an opinion on VO about the need to develop its own OS. Moreover, from scratch.
      In my opinion this is complete nonsense.
      Because such a development "from scratch" will entail the development of "own" data storage formats, interfaces, exchange protocols, etc. Well, by God, let's reinvent the wheel again, in our own way, in Russian ... idiotic desire ?????
      It's just that those who propose this either do not understand, or, for some reason, specifically offer Russia to go through a very short time (and no one else agrees) the entire process of software evolution "from scratch" ...
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 28 September 2018 06: 39
    +2
    And everything suits me in Tashkent. I bought Chip Win in Yangiabad (such a flea market) for 30 cents (in our volut) and I’m not worried!
  3. tasha
    tasha 28 September 2018 06: 46
    +9
    None of the listed products is a domestic development, but simply part of the designer, which was assembled by our engineers.

    And what's wrong with that? If you have open source software, then inventing your own bike for government money is the same crime ...
    1. tuts
      tuts 28 September 2018 07: 11
      +4
      I speak as a specialist and sometimes I can’t figure it out in my own code, but I don’t even poke in someone else’s coffee without a liter.
      According to experts, the same MS office and Windows is a crutch on a crutch in the code of which Woland himself will break his leg
      1. tasha
        tasha 28 September 2018 07: 26
        +6
        Suspicious you are some kind of specialist .. wink Why delve into MS Office code? We are talking about the OS and libraries that can be analyzed for hostile bookmarks ...
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 25
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          We are talking about the OS and libraries that can be analyzed for hostile bookmarks ...

          Can you imagine WHAT are the volumes of the code base and HOW MUCH people and time need to verify this? The Linux kernel alone is more than 10 million. lines of code. Some sort of LibreOffice is also no less.
          For comparison, War and Peace is only about 50 thousand. lines of text.
          1. ship
            ship 30 September 2018 12: 43
            0
            The Linux kernel is monolithic, so "... that's more than 10 million lines of code". In general, this is not an unambiguous role model.
        2. tuts
          tuts 28 September 2018 20: 14
          +1
          we are talking about any software installed in the Ministry of Defense including office that is being certified
    2. vadson
      vadson 28 September 2018 08: 54
      +6
      Quote: tasha
      None of the listed products is a domestic development, but simply part of the designer, which was assembled by our engineers.

      And what's wrong with that? If you have open source software, then inventing your own bike for government money is the same crime ...

      + Definitely, Windows is not suitable for security because of the closed source code, like Makos - this Unix is ​​also also closed. without source code available, you cannot check it for backdoors and similar bookmarks. with Linux and Unix easier. competent specialists around the world are looking for vulnerabilities in the yard and software of Linux, and there are many more than small-scale developers. a certain percentage of which with hands growing out of the back. it is no coincidence that most of the servers that require security are running unix \ linux. the complexity of these systems is offset by security. therefore, specialists in this field are in demand. Naturally, if they have a head in place and hands grow from the right place. there is a project http://astralinux.ru recently set itself to see, with security they got confused. and tried to make the interface look like Windows. so as not to scare users who have migrated from Windows to Linux. and yes - developing your OS from scratch is a step back 30 years. Do we need it? the big problem is the low computer literacy of users in a windows environment. I'm not talking about linux.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 29 September 2018 18: 26
      0
      Quote: tasha
      None of the listed products is a domestic development, but simply part of the designer, which was assembled by our engineers.

      And what's wrong with that? If you have open source software, then inventing your own bike for government money is the same crime ...

      I’ll add that they’ll cut much more on this nanoChubais.
  4. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 28 September 2018 06: 47
    +14
    Sad, typical look of an advanced amateur. First, why is the Axis considered? The armed forces and the defense industry are using quite widely, completely different products. Secondly - the main minus of Windows in the end is not the economy, but not the full provision by the developer of the information that can allow to identify undocumented opportunities. Why should we properly provide assistance to foreign intelligence services? They are given everything, the question of specially laid down ones, I leave behind the scenes, because of unprovability. Thirdly, the corruption component that impedes the development and promotion of a domestic product. But this is an economy with big zeros. Fair competition of white and fluffy multinational corporations from the category of propaganda for the construction of capitalism with a human face in Russia, originally from the late 80s - early 90s.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 26
      -1
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      The armed forces and the defense industry are using quite widely, completely different products.

      others? What was Su-57 designed at in Sukhoi Design Bureau?
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      28 September 2018 22: 02
      0
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      In the armed forces and the defense industry are used and quite widely, very different products.


      Enlighten which ones? Or is it just another "secret", mister professional?

      The axis is considered precisely because it has been actively pushed through.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 28 September 2018 06: 51
    +2
    And there, even before the moment when there will be real domestic software development, a stone's throw. Some 10-15 years ...
    ..If you live to retire, you look at your software and domestic computers, they will appear ... we will jump on the bandwagon of the outgoing train, and then we will run ahead of the engine ...
    1. tasha
      tasha 28 September 2018 07: 00
      +2
      I think that catching up will be difficult. Need a quality leap. Optics, probably ...
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 September 2018 08: 00
        -3
        First, we need mathematics to understand the difference between a system based on binary and linear code from multipolar and radial logic. Then go to the physics of transferring a multipolar code through the corresponding so-called transistor or code distributor.
  6. Snail N9
    Snail N9 28 September 2018 07: 02
    0
    This is everywhere in Russia. One has only to go to the well-known site - which is always, like a victory flag, waving "patriots" - "Made in Russia" (with us) "and go through each position presented there, look for information on the internet, especially on specialized forums and then suddenly it turns out that "we have made" is actually an ordinary "screwdriver" in "euro hangars" or in workshops made of Turkish cement, on imported equipment, moreover, purchased according to clever schemes or leased, on imported software, etc. the notorious "our" agricultural products in large chains are grown from imported seed with the addition of imported micronutrient fertilizers.
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 September 2018 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: Snail N9
      Even the notorious "our" agricultural products in large chains are grown from imported seed material with the addition of imported micronutrient fertilizers.
      and here our farmers plow the third year in the fields as in the Soviet Union-day and night. And the seeds (for fun !!!) are not imported and their own manure ....
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 28 September 2018 10: 56
        -5
        Truth? Wow, well, it’s necessary .... There it is, like .... Mikhalych .... And I, near a summer house, like a farmer plows on his tractor (made in Belarus), though the seeds he sows are those that he will give ..... wink Here is a typical example of modern "domestic" production ... and even under the patronage of the "prime minister": https://finobzor.ru/68194-igrushka-dlya-premera-zachem-v-rossii-vozrozhdayut-proizvodstvo-zenita.html ? utm_campaign = auction lol love
  7. 3vs
    3vs 28 September 2018 07: 04
    +3
    I agree with the author!
    In this case, it’s better to just install the free Centos and Ubuntu!

    But, nevertheless, "purely domestic" system-level products are still there!
    - FIZTECH-SOFT with the PTS-DOS operating system.
    http://phystechsoft.ru/about
    - RELEX Group of Companies with DBMS Linter.
    https://relex.ru/ru/
    - “Kaspersky Lab” (albeit already relatively Russian) with KasperskyOS for embedded systems, process control systems, CNC machines, etc.
    https://os.kaspersky.ru/products/kasperskyos/
    - On-board software Su-35
    http://aviation21.ru/bortovoe-po-su-35-eto-milliony-strok-programmnogo-koda/

    Yes, I would like our brains to concoct something breakthrough, for the world to gasp,
    but...
    Money and time, not up to your own developments!
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 September 2018 07: 14
    +9
    Well, firstly, we have very good domestic software. Under Windows. Secondly, do not confuse application development with operating system development. If the first can be developed by a small company, then the second needs to be threatened with an incredible amount of resources. Including writing hundreds of applications for this OS. The complexity of modern operating systems is high, the requirements for them are even higher. And do not cry that we do not have our own OS, no one has it in the form, at least half compatible with Windows. Closed code, licenses, etc. do not add the ability to develop this.
    And I will say more, unfortunately, there is no alternative to Windows. Linux clones can still be used in servers and specific areas of production. But to run specific programs - modeling, ARPA and so on without Windows does not work. The problems will be from the performance under emulators and the very possibility of launching due to specific libraries, to the compatibility of drivers and the very ability to use plug-in equipment. Alas.
    And this is not to mention the tens of thousands of programs written only under Windows and only under Windows that normally work.
    1. minus
      minus 28 September 2018 08: 08
      +1
      And for the needs of industrial organizations, these tens of thousands of ready-made programs are not needed. Percent of 90 machine time is not used rationally. For the personal purposes of the staff!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 September 2018 08: 24
        +7
        And for the needs of industrial organizations, these tens of thousands of ready-made programs are not needed.

        Sure? Indeed, tens of thousands are not needed for industry. They need specialized, often embedded, real-time operating systems. But then we go into the accounting department of the conditional plant and come ... 1С, VLSI, CryptoPr with its digital signature, and so on ... Well, try to configure all this on Linux ... We go to the conditional store with cash desks. Oh, KKM under Linux does not work ... NO drivers. The same garbage with printing - cheap printers that can easily work under Windows, including in the terminal, are simply not visible under Linux. Just because the manufacturer, in order to reduce the cost of production, did not make drivers for Linux, and self-assembly stupidly does not work as it should. And so in almost every case - it works here, it does not work here, here the fish was wrapped.
        1. vadson
          vadson 28 September 2018 09: 04
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          And for the needs of industrial organizations, these tens of thousands of ready-made programs are not needed.

          Sure? Indeed, tens of thousands are not needed for industry. They need specialized, often embedded, real-time operating systems. But then we go into the accounting department of the conditional plant and come ... 1С, VLSI, CryptoPr with its digital signature, and so on ... Well, try to configure all this on Linux ... We go to the conditional store with cash desks. Oh, KKM under Linux does not work ... NO drivers. The same garbage with printing - cheap printers that can easily work under Windows, including in the terminal, are simply not visible under Linux. Just because the manufacturer, in order to reduce the cost of production, did not make drivers for Linux, and self-assembly stupidly does not work as it should. And so in almost every case - it works here, it does not work here, here the fish was wrapped.

          Well, Windows and real-time work are almost incompatible))))))
          while reading and writing a comment - a business plan was born - I give initiative - take a modern printer with a good resource. Ideally, develop your own and write firewood for the penguin. with the policy of our state to buy a domestic product in state institutions will go off with a bang. large market
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 28 September 2018 16: 45
        +1
        the vast majority of jobs in government agencies, including the Ministry of Internal Affairs, use a text and graphic editor, a mail agent, spreadsheets and a simple database management system, all of this is in the astralinux mentioned in the discussion, and it works quite well, but in general, people who are interested can see in the list of software which under the state program, you look and the flood will decrease
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 28 September 2018 08: 18
      -2
      On the agenda is the creation of the very methods of modeling and implementation of many different operating systems and software. This can be done only on the basis of discoveries in mathematics and in its fundamental basis, namely those concepts about which I have repeatedly spoken. But things are still there. Everyone understands that changes are needed, but they don’t understand anything more.
  9. Nitarius
    Nitarius 28 September 2018 07: 50
    +3
    Well, what can I say the author is right and wrong! It is one thing to make Windows another thing .. that it is sharpened under it - printers, faxes, copiers, etc.! as well as CNC MACHINES, woodworking, as well as automation of the same SCADA systems ... so essentially. We must do everything from scratch .. and PRINTERS AND COPIERS, etc.! because .. no one will sell their control codes, but a HOLE in that, for example, a dime a dozen processor .. and non-official control codes as well! but how illegal I will keep silent! many even the developers themselves do not know! because they rely on an ideal management model))
    1. minus
      minus 28 September 2018 08: 05
      -2
      All peripherals are standard and there are no problems to write drivers! All teams are documented!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 September 2018 08: 37
        +3
        write driver no problems!

        Yes, yes ... for example, something still does not have normal KKM drivers for working in the terminal. A check is printed 10 times slower than in a local database !!!! Here's what makes it difficult to do? Information is sent there with a gulkin nose!
        1. Competitionoff
          Competitionoff 29 September 2018 10: 06
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          write driver no problems!

          Yes, yes ... for example, something still does not have normal KKM drivers for working in the terminal. A check is printed 10 times slower than in a local database !!!! Here's what makes it difficult to do? Information is sent there with a gulkin nose!

          An example can I? The same "Pharmacist-retail" works in the terminal session, at the workplaces of FR SPARK-115, the check flies out instantly. I think you should abandon Atoll drivers for hardware
      2. Henderson
        Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 28
        0
        Quote: Minus
        All teams are documented!

        You are very mistaken. For fun, try writing your own driver for a modern graphics card.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 September 2018 14: 38
          +1
          write your own driver for a modern graphics card

          Well, that’s very cool. At least for the printer. Although if a person did not see C or Assembler in his eyes, this will not tell him anything.
  10. ALLxANDr
    ALLxANDr 28 September 2018 08: 05
    +16
    Little has been written about OSes.
    There are many more products that want to "sell" as their own developments.
    These include: Astra Linux, GosLinux, Axis, Dew, Alt Linux (Basalt), IKS Linux (Gateway, firewall), Linux Sunrise (Dawn). Maybe I forgot something else ..
    From all this, really only programmers really worked on Alt Linux and X Linux. Both products are buggy, but in fairness, with each release less and less.
    Yes, they did not develop the Linux kernel themselves, they took the finished one, but it makes no sense to develop completely from scratch. Also, for the sake of justice, I can say that all distributions (except for Astra Linux and Sunrise (Dawn) Linux) can be downloaded from the official site without restriction of use for individuals. Money is taken mainly for technical support.
    All OSes (except Sunrise (Dawn)) for the test, set personally, I know what I'm talking about.
    Of all this diversity, I liked the following OSes: Rosa and IKS.
    If you conclude, then Linux has become very friendly. If you compare this system now and 10-15 years ago, then this heaven and earth! Installing software and configuring the Linux operating system is becoming easier and easier every year. In Rosa, a heavily redesigned interface, about which the official website is open and talked about.

    What else ... Oh yes! The main and so far fatal disadvantages.

    There is still no implementation of the normal work of office workers in various Russian portals. This is probably the biggest minus. The following portals and information systems do not work in Linux:
    - A single portal of public services
    - GIS "Energy Efficiency"
    - GIS "Housing and Public Utilities"
    - Federal Information Address System
    - Open data portal
    - Electronic budget
    - Procurement Portal
    - Electronic trading platforms
    - Portal Rosreestr
    - Service Provider Portal
    - Unified system of identification and authentication
    - Unified state social security information system
    - GAS "Management"
    - IAS Monitoring
    Well, etc. This is not to mention the fact that electronic document management systems do not work. At least it’s normal to work without crutches, without emulators, without virtual machines, without remote access via RDP — the above systems will not.

    Either there are no analogues for Linux, then the plugin or component does not work (and often it simply does not exist) ... and when it fixes it is not known.

    Some areas of our vast country are officially moving to Linux. I'm not kidding. The test period of 2018-2020 went, after which, the experience of the districts will be transferred to the regions and oblasts. And only after that (but not earlier), programs and plugins for Linux will be written. Bullshit, but this is the reality and reality of this day.
    1. Loess
      Loess 28 September 2018 08: 33
      +6
      Quote: ALLxANDr
      All OSes (except Sunrise (Dawn)) for the test, set personally, I know what I'm talking about.

      The case when I learned more from the commentary on the topic of the article than from the article itself hi
    2. vadson
      vadson 28 September 2018 09: 15
      +1
      as they say Moscow was not immediately built. 5-10 years ago, there was no talk of switching to Linux, and security was mainly ensured by pulling the connector out of the network socket. state portals will bring to mind - with grief in half but bring. a course toward this is seen with an unarmed gaze. sibis and other commercial brethren will also do development on Linux - the market will force.
    3. 3vs
      3vs 28 September 2018 10: 29
      0
      "Also in fairness, I can say that all distributions (except for Astra Linux and Voskhod (Dawn) Linux) can be downloaded from the official site without limiting use for individuals. Money is taken mainly for technical support."
      Where are they "free"!
      Yes, for home, for family, use for free, but for organizations, sorry !:
      1. ALLxANDr
        ALLxANDr 28 September 2018 14: 58
        0
        Do not confuse "lawyers" and "physicists")
        For legal entities and the Internet is more expensive)) But I will draw your attention to the sale of technical support. There are many types of them, from the minimum (downloaded, installed, problems arose - wrote to tech support) - to the maximum (24 * 7, that is, round-the-clock, with the ability to call specialists and remotely connect).
    4. bk316
      bk316 28 September 2018 12: 15
      0
      The following portals and information systems do not work in Linux:
      - A single portal of public services

      I just went in and checked everything works under the android.
      Or do you mean something else?
      1. ALLxANDr
        ALLxANDr 28 September 2018 15: 05
        +1
        under the word "does not work" means - there is no way to fully use this portal. Go to the portal, which is intended for the browser - there are no particular difficulties. You try to do something there) For example, work with EDS (electronic digital signature).
    5. bk316
      bk316 28 September 2018 12: 16
      +1
      If you compare this system now and 10-15 years ago, then this is heaven and earth!

      I would say HELL and PARADISE laughing
  11. KiryakovDenis
    KiryakovDenis 28 September 2018 08: 46
    +3
    In our country, software development is a disaster.
    And it cannot be otherwise, even if large companies do not even try to use domestic software.
    I work as a leader in a small software development company, after our main customer was vertically integrated by Gazprom, we were left out of work. Gazprom is introducing its software. I agree that in a large company it is otherwise difficult to maintain order in IT, so standard solutions are more convenient to use.
    It’s only a shame that debugged systems are exchanged for foreign counterparts like SAP (I have nothing against SAP, but in the end there is 1C as well). And the migration results leave much to be desired. Escort prices have increased, and the result on the spot is very deplorable. Ordinary employees returned to the era of omnipotent Excel.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 September 2018 12: 03
      0
      It’s only a shame that debugged systems are exchanged for foreign counterparts like SAP

      Debugged systems are probably something ancient.
      They are changed to 1C. 1C displaces SAP with awesome speed
      1. KiryakovDenis
        KiryakovDenis 1 October 2018 07: 36
        0
        I do not own the situation on a large scale. But in fact, in place at home, I observe the opposite. If you do not statelessly state this, then it is definitely good.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 28 September 2018 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: KiryakovDenis
      In our country, software development is a disaster.

      I do not agree. Millions of **** - games in VKontakte and classmates - domestic developments. They are stamped by hundreds of offices of various sizes from all corners of our vast. Why do they evolve in game development and not in application software? Because there are not hundreds of officials with their requirements, certifications, inspections, deductions, and so on and so forth, what is briefly called the BUREAU. The domestic IT sector is a river that flows where it is easier to flow.
      1. bk316
        bk316 28 September 2018 12: 34
        0
        The domestic IT sector is a river that flows where it is easier to flow.

        Capitalism my friend .... wassat
  12. Ber
    Ber 28 September 2018 09: 06
    -1
    When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...


    When the laying of a branch of the industrial Internet isolated from the global network begins, for starters, and then IT.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 September 2018 12: 33
      0
      However. From packet switching to circuit switching? Forward to the past?
      1. Ber
        Ber 2 October 2018 09: 14
        0
        However. From packet switching to circuit switching? Forward to the past?


        Creating a VLAN does not provide complete security. But the Internet of things and the industrial Internet through a global network can lead to accidents caused by hackers equal to hit a cruise missile.

        So you're in vain .... about back to the future.
        And the future is remote-controlled robot plants, where a village of 500 adjusters is enough to service, now such giants are forced to build near million-plus cities.
        And how do you order to protect such colossals from external attacks?
        The global network is becoming a garbage dump for billions of inhabitants, a network for entertainment, but not for the enterprises of the future.
  13. Carib
    Carib 28 September 2018 09: 06
    +2
    In addition to the latter. And business in some industries is increasingly forced to switch to Linux.
    In our region, law enforcement agencies have very tightly taken on window workers and builders (presumably they are clearing for someone, even taking out computers with Linux, in order to block the work of competitors).
    We transferred all the managers to Ubuntu, the main working programs on servers with RDP, but the cryptographer doesn’t install any broken program, and old computers fly.
    For the manager, the main thing is mail, office, viewer of drawings, PDF, drawings, listing, the rest on the server through the RDP.
    Database servers are also under Linux, and you can’t encrypt faster than Windows when breaking. Yes, the problem is in all sorts of gadgets, without which it is not convenient to work, IP-telephony, remote administration and assistance such as TimVuver and AmmiAdmin, again printers with scanners ...
  14. vladcub
    vladcub 28 September 2018 10: 16
    +2
    The IT sphere is so confusing that at times you want to take a sledgehammer and walk it through all systems. We have an IT specialist in our office: he pretends to be a genius and gets money, and if necessary, we are looking for something serious for acquaintances or relatives who "screw" at least a little.
    1. Maalkavianin
      Maalkavianin 28 September 2018 10: 49
      +5
      laughing This is actually a normal situation. In institutions where there is only one IT-shnik in the state, the main work, as a rule, is turning on / off the server, forwarding the "vitukha", reinstalling "Windows" and answering questions like "Oh, but here there was a button before, but now it is gone .. How to be? ". There is technical support for specialized hardware and software. However, it is often paid and they save on it. This is where the situation often grows when you have to run around your friends and neighbors and look for someone who "screws" at least something.
    2. bk316
      bk316 28 September 2018 12: 32
      0
      Where do you live and how much do you pay your IT professional?
    3. Henderson
      Henderson 28 September 2018 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: vladcub
      IT specialist: poses as a genius and gets money, and if need be, we are looking for something serious for acquaintances or relatives who "screw" at least a little

      Straight classic. Let's start with the fact that the profession of "IT specialist" does not exist in nature. And this alone suggests that you have absolutely no idea who this person is and what you must do. I can only assume that we are talking about the system administrator.
      But the system administrator is not obliged to set up any vkontaktikov and fix mobile phones for employees during their working hours. He has other responsibilities.
  15. Garri_
    Garri_ 28 September 2018 10: 57
    -1
    Quote: Ber
    When we have our own secure IT-sphere ...


    When the laying of a branch of the industrial Internet isolated from the global network begins, for starters, and then IT.

    .. in this system (where the basic law is to earn as much money as possible and where a person is a human wolf) nothing good can be expected ... and not only in the IT sphere. From the screen there are some winning reports ..., but in fact - zilch, gulkin horseradish (which is not sweeter than radish).
  16. 123456789
    123456789 28 September 2018 11: 54
    +1
    Information technology is secondary laughing
  17. bk316
    bk316 28 September 2018 11: 56
    +9
    some kind of vermicelli. Mixed in a bunch of horses, people .....

    Microsoft Office, microsoft Exchange, Microsoft Outlook, 1C, Crypto-PRO, VipNet, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mozilla Firefox web browser, MIS KAUZ, VLSI, Consultant Plus, Federal Tax Service, FIU, Kaspersky and Dr.Web products.

    For server systems - a separate topic, more extensive and exclusively technical

    Do you have Microsoft Exchange on your workstation? Not on the server? Do not confuse anything?


    The story about software licensing in terms of adaptation to modern government agencies at night is better not to read, so we, in short.

    In short, we have just passed such certification with a product of our own design. There were no problems.
    In general, one must be able to work with state structures. My first contact with the FSTEC took place in the last century, I had to get permission from him for re-exporting the software - this was an epic.

    Except maybe all there 1C yes of “Consultants” with “Guarantors”.

    Do you have any idea the total amount of code on these "any" systems? I'll tell you a secret more than Windows.
    And the total turnover of these offices selling purely their Russian software is more than ANY enterprise in the military-industrial complex.

    From here we conclude that in actual fact no they are not ours. None of the listed products is a domestic development, but simply part of the designer that our engineers have assembled.

    Damn, how much can this Lamer's maxim be replicated?
    Yes, when creating any LINUX OS, ready-made modules are used (and Chinese clones too). I do not like? Well answer me well.
    Qixixort also needs to be rewritten? STL write your own? Maybe you do not like C? First, come up with your own language to make a compiler (probably in assembler, so as not to use something hostile), then implement COPIES of all system algorithms on it, then compile VOISTINA RUSSIAN OS. THIS IS AND WILL BE MEGA HYPER CUT am am am But it will please patriotic suckers who do not understand anything in programming.

    There is only one conclusion. You can not go with the flow in the field of information technology.

    It's amazing how you can get the right conclusion from the wrong arguments.
    However, ALL listed by the author does not apply to the front line of IT.

    And now briefly how not to go with the flow.

    - Do we need a National OS and a National Office Package.
    Yesterday, and there’s no need to invent anything here - make your own assembly based on any linux (and at least alt Linux) and any open-source office suite. There will be no breakthrough - you just need to quickly plug the hole.

    - Do we need a national ERP and CRM?
    And thank God it already is - 1C

    - do we need our own programming system
    Needed and there are so far empty seats.

    But it’s all tail. The front line is not there.
    Here it is:
    machine learning
    Massive Computing
    cyber security

    Do you know where we are here?
    Do not understand what it is about?
    This is normal, just this topic is not for VO laughing
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 28 September 2018 13: 20
      0
      Excellent comment! Obviously, there are very few people who understand these key aspects. There are even fewer people who understand what the problem itself is and how to solve it. Well, and most likely that only one knows the path of the real direction of solving the problem. And I will say right away that on the mathematical foundations that lie in the formation of the worldview, namely, those built on variable values ​​of the number and process, everything will remain unbearable. And only on the principles that everything and everything is determined by the place and value, and therefore on mathematical principles using the function of a constant value of the number, our worldview will rearrange into a new, level of understanding of spatial processes in computer science.
    2. Fing
      Fing 28 September 2018 16: 01
      +2
      Clinging to words, you compare warm with soft.
      Here is a proposal to you that would suit everyone. And why not take the linux kernel, using the same C, flush your GUI. Your office software package from scratch, and not on raw raw stuff. Adapt existing Russian programs under linux, rewrite all this under your own repositories.
      Centralized. Provide support and updates.

      And then, here you have said clever words, in the hope of not clearly what. Since you are talking about your language with the compiler, develop the topic further.
      And so, it is possible to talk until the new year, more than one thousand copies on this topic have been broken.
      And do not forget, we are talking about government agencies. If SP Ivanov I.I. uses Mazdai, let him enjoy health!
      And you don’t have to talk about the speed and volume of code for commercial corporations. Commercial it is here today, and tomorrow anywhere.
  18. Ishenko Gennady Vladimirovich
    Ishenko Gennady Vladimirovich 28 September 2018 13: 39
    +5
    I have been working on our ALTLinux OS for seven years. I started with the third version, and now it is the seventh. In terms of ease of use and reliability, it is no worse than Windows. I never fell (only through the fault of the hardware) and did not catch a single virus without antivirus software. The desktop can be installed at least 10 Windows, all office features too. Of course, you need to refine the applications, but having money and desire, it's not so difficult. Another thing is that our government has only one desire to be left alone. The military also opted for Linux. This is the only correct way out, because inventing something of your own is stupidity. The Chinese are also moving away from Windows to Linux. And ours jump when in one of the sanctions Microsoft is forbidden to sell us as their components (they can be replaced with something in Asia) and a software product. And they can ban it, because the sanctions will continue after the congressional elections, and if the Syrians shoot down any of the Israelis or the amers themselves with their C300, put out the lights! And with us, and with this it itches weakly. And for some reason not all of the US papers were sold, and there was a hitch with the payment system. Count on Europeans? Oh well.
  19. Samaliwe
    Samaliwe 28 September 2018 13: 59
    +2
    Never while officials look down on it. Now there are several development options:
    1. The most important official (even the president) sets the task: "Create a domestic OS!" Officials need it below? This is another headache. But you can cut it ... Therefore, they do not take competent specialists for development, and even more so for the quality control group. Share in the spirit of BolgenOS (who knows - he will understand, who does not know - take an interest) and will be passed off as a domestic operating system, such as OS. Has anyone tried to download it? Go and try it. The official site gives as many as three links: direct download, torrent file and direct download of the beta version of "Axis 2.1". None of the three links work. That's all there is to know about the OS.
    2. The second option: the officials got into it and decided to make a really high-quality product, a financial control group was behind each one so that they wouldn’t saw it. What will come of it? And as in a joke, where a striptease was arranged for high foreign guests in the USSR, only old women were used as strippers. Why old women? But because in the party since 1922!
    It will turn out, as suggested above, your own programming language in which your own operating system will be written, which satisfies all, all the rules and even Wishlist. About fifty years later. Hopelessly behind the norms and progress that these fifty years will not stand still.
    3. Well, the third option is too utopian to even try to seriously consider it. There is strict control over officials and responsibility for non-fulfillment, and hiring qualified developers for a good salary (it’s scary to think that some may not even have a higher education!), And strict quality control, according to a pre-written technical assignment written by those hired for good money good specialists, and not the youngest son of the official responsible for this, will copy the requirements and capabilities of modern OS from Wikipedia ...
    A lot of everything here. The further I write, the sadder it gets.
  20. TOR2
    TOR2 28 September 2018 15: 03
    0
    Say right away, all of our products are based solely on the Linux kernel in older or newer versions.
    I do not agree with the author.
    The Phantom project is an operating system created and developed by Digital Zone. The OS is based on the concept of persistent virtual memory. It is focused on managed code and is aimed at use in portable and embedded computers. Phantom is one of the few OSs that do not rely on the classic concepts of Unix-like systems. Unlike their concept of “everything is a file”, “Phantom” is based on the principle of “everything is an object”.

    This OS is not afraid of emergency shutdowns. Why the rhetorical question has not yet paid attention to this development.
    https://dz.ru/os-phantom
  21. dgonni
    dgonni 28 September 2018 20: 07
    -2
    From pure experience. DOS Dream and Byad pjachal. BUT! Set up in seyu cars and forgot. All! Until Delezo died or set something new, then it has been working for years. Win 3.1 3.11 it was fun to see the extreme windows it was quite a Windows at the time. Handle adjustment. Win 95 -95 osr2 extreme stable ooyilennaya on the knee. But at its base zpilena was the legendary 98 Windows. Firewood handles reliably clear the stump. 2000 I first releases hand face then fine but why if there is xp? Vista? Know koment tin, sawed seven for a long time and with taste. Fine. Eight? We look at whist! The ten on announcements will be extreme and will differ only in versions. While tin. Customize the grid in some situations, even that quast.
    P.S. What am I doing all this for? Any axis has a core. But there is such a programming language as assembler. So there you go! Those who own it deeply parallel to the axis and antivirus programs. There are critically few of them left, but they still exist.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 28 September 2018 20: 46
      0
      The kernel drank in C ++. Raw linukha do not want to download. On acme they saw firmware for microcontrollers. And only.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 29 September 2018 09: 14
        0
        No intro demos? And there without assembler anywhere.
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 29 September 2018 10: 24
        0
        Here is a reference for understanding what I meant by knowledge of assembler! (https://www.kaspersky.ru/blog/programmisty-staroj-shkoly-preklonyatsya-ili-boyatsya/581/). Back in 1987, a friend and I entered a university. Since it was already in the fall in the army and when receiving documents we were made clear that you guys do not go a priori into history. That friend agreed to submit documents for industrial cybernetics. There was a shortfall of 47%. in general, I saw him last time in 1999 when he taxied to Europe to work as a programmer. Right now in a silicone valley something is sawing. What am I doing? Here he could in assembly language. And all these kernels written in other languages, he clicked like nuts. Therefore, he wrote that there are few of them. But if they set the task, then they will break any OS written in C ++ in two counts.
        P.S. Since there are few of them, they still try to find a paid job by profile. For their playful pens with the same brains are fraught with wild losses for business.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2018 10: 33
      +1
      judging by the indicated versions of the melkosoft that they set you up and worked, let alone the 98th be called legendary ...
      and you can’t cut anything
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 29 September 2018 11: 12
        -2
        Well, let's say this! It was put by handles. And 98th is really legendary. For the extreme computer configured on the server, was necessarily raised from the warehouse, put on the former workstation, connected to the grid. And fun earned. Novel. if what kind of servers I am! And yet 98ya was probably one of the most stable systems, along with grunt in the third, partially second release.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2018 12: 07
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          And yet 98ya was probably one of the most stable systems

          once again if in, something in this was secreted, we would not have spoken about 95, 98, etc., but about the fourth NT
  22. ZAV69
    ZAV69 28 September 2018 20: 56
    0
    So far, no decision has been made at the level of the president and is not formalized by law or anything will happen. Now several offices at their own peril and risk are sawing something on the basis of linukha, but their creation is not necessary for anyone. Government bodies and under Windows do not live badly.
  23. ith
    ith 30 September 2018 00: 35
    +1
    I recommend that everyone criticizing Russian software pay attention to the QP OS operating system. This is a complete operating system created from scratch.
    https://cryptosoft.ru/qpos.html
  24. Klaus
    Klaus 1 October 2018 14: 32
    0
    The crisis of ideas and solutions. This is what we observe in the domestic IT sphere. And not only.
    I will explain. For example, Google’s cloud system, or OS Minuet written from scratch on Assembler, are new ideas and solutions. And there is something in it, however ambiguous they may look.
    And in our country, in fact, we are only observing the following world trends. Something like ordering stickers with nesting dolls on Ali from the Chinese, gluing them over a system unit, and calling it a "domestic product". I would not be surprised if all these monstrous robots from Rostec and Kalashnikov are based on Adruino, ordered from the same Chinese from the same Ali ... laughing
    All large projects always start small. It is foolish to wait for writing your OS from nothing. But what prevented the active support of measures of protectionism, timid domestic undertakings in this area? The same Yandex tried to implement its software and cloud service in budget smartphones of the Chinese assembly.
    But if we combined the efforts of two domestic flagships: Yandex and Kaspersky, and connected the distribution of mobile operators of the Big Three, something could have happened. Although this is not an OS, the first step would be to take it.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 3 October 2018 10: 09
      0
      It’s necessary to take it deeper. It’s not clear that cloud computing is a stage of algorithmic development, but which can be skipped over. And this new one is the construction of a radial interconnected and inextricable system. Therefore, having no mathematical foundations, this remains incomprehensible to many.