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Please bomb Donbass. The US returns the Ukrainian Air Force to the sky

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At the beginning of the war in the Donbass, air superiority was one of the most important advantages of the Ukrainian formations, which they tried to fully use to suppress the resistance of the defenders of Donbass.




However, the effectiveness of the application aviation turned out to be a big question. Due to the poor preparation of the pilots and the lack of flight personnel for combat missions against the national republics, it was necessary to involve composite crews assembled from different air units from all over Ukraine, and even pilot instructors from Kharkov University of the Air Force.



The low qualification of the pilots determined the extremely simple tactics of the actions of the Ukrainian pilots. One or a couple of aircraft went to a visually definite target, most often corrected from the ground by the gunner, and struck by NURS and / or air bombs.

At the same time, the attackers became simple targets for small forces and air defense weapons of the militias, among which were quite competent anti-aircraft defense officers.



After the militia, occupying one of the long-term storage warehouses, gained access to the Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile systems and other mobile air defense systems, the pilots of the Kiev formations began to strike from a height of more than 5 thousand meters.



Considering the low professionalism of the flight personnel and the use of uncontrolled air bombs, it was, in fact, about non-targeted strikes "on the squares", which led to the destruction of civilian objects and the death of a significant number of civilians. However, if we assume that Kiev used aircraft not so much as a tool to neutralize an armed enemy, but rather as a means of intimidation and terror, then such results may well be considered initially given.
Please bomb Donbass. The US returns the Ukrainian Air Force to the sky


So, 2 July, 2014, the Ukrainian aviation brutally bombed the village of Kondrashovka in the LPR, in which there were no militiamen. 12 people, including two children, were killed by punitive bombs. A day later, Kiev recognized this bombardment of civilians as a pilot error.



However, the appearance at the disposal of Donbass defenders of even more effective air defense systems further limited the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force. The most terrible for the Ukrainian Air Force were 1 and 2 July 2014, when they lost several aircraft at once.



Total losses of Ukrainian aviation recognized Kiev amounted 11 aircraft (1 An-30, 1 An-26, 1 IL-76, 2 Su-24, 2 MiG-29, 4 Su-25), 7 helicopters (3 Mi-8 and 4 Mi-24). One more Su-25, Mi-2 and Mi-8 Ukrainian Air Force lost for technical reasons. However, at different times, representatives of various Ukrainian departments indicated other figures.



In turn, the armed forces of the people's republics indicate 30 destroyed aircraft (18 Su-25, one of which captured the whole, 1 Su-24, 1 IL-76, 1 Su-27, 9 unknown type) and 5 helicopters (2 Mi -24 and 3 of unknown type).

But be that as it may, the heavy losses of aviation of the Ukrainian formations forced Kiev to abandon the massive use of the Air Force against the LDNR.

And the fighting in the Donbass showed that the Ukrainian Air Force as a type of armed forces was unable to solve any of the tasks. High accident rate, low technical readiness, lowered level of flight training and the almost complete lack of combat application skills led to a significant loss of aircraft.



However, in Kiev they continue to cherish the dream of returning to the sky Donbass. Periodically, the media reported that Kiev bought combat helicopters and airplanes in the countries of the former socialist camp, and Ukrainian pilots practiced various methods of countering air defense systems. Including flights at ultra low altitudes. This is evidenced, in particular, by the tragedy that occurred on November 10, 11 in the Zaporizhia region, when the Su-2015 attack aircraft fell near the Kharkiv-Simferopol highway, crashing into a power line tower.



The objectives of the “return of Ukrainian aviation to the sky” are subordinated to the upcoming large-scale aviation schools, which will be held in Ukraine in the near future with the participation of the United States and eight other NATO countries.

Aircraft that take part in the exercises are located at several bases in the region. California National Guard F-15 and Ukrainian fighters will operate from Starokonstantinov base, California C-130 and Ukrainian transport workers will carry out maneuvers from the base in Vinnytsia, and additional Ukrainian fighters will conduct flights from Ivano-Frankivsk. The fuel will be provided by the KC-135 Illinois National Guard from Povidz base in Poland, as well as the KH-135 Air Force from Middlehall. This was stated by a spokesman for the US Air Force in Europe, Major Tristan Hinderlitter, to the US edition of AirForce Time (translation of “InoSMI”).



The exercise, dubbed "Clear Sky 2018" (Clear Sky 2018, will be held in mid-October), will be attended by 950 military air forces from different countries, among which, besides the USA, also Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania, United Kingdom and, in fact, Ukraine.

It is reported that the exercise will focus on air deterrence operations, the delivery of assault strikes, the integration of forces on the ground and in the sky, airmobile operations, and medical evacuation by air. In addition, cyber defense and recruitment drills will be held.

It is not difficult to understand that the legend itself of the upcoming exercises is nothing more than the development of the aviation component of the attack on the Donbass. Moreover, if we take into account the attraction of the F-15 fighter jets to them, the scenario also entails opposition to the Russian Aerospace Forces if our country defends the people of the people's republics and starts an operation to enforce peace.

The United States quite consciously and purposefully incite Kiev to resume intensive hostilities against the people's republics. This motive runs like a red thread through almost all the recent speeches of the main American negotiator for Ukraine, Kurt Walker.

The other day, US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Wess Mitchell, once again guaranteed absolute support for Ukraine in "its choice", since it "corresponds to the strategic interests of the United States." “Therefore,” he said, “Russia has no right to refuse them in this future.”

That is, we see that Washington is actually presenting the Kiev regime with a blank check for any actions, hinting at protection from Russia's possible opposition to attempts to destroy the LDNR.

But diplomatic support alone is not enough to give the battles of the Ukrainian army faith in victory many times, without which it is extremely difficult to make its military fight.



And events like “2018 Clean Sky” are designed not only to train Ukrainian servicemen, but also to assure them of their own abilities. And push for a suicide slaughter.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 28 September 2018 14: 10
    +3
    Do they return the punishers to the sky? The technique can be shamanized, but what about the trained "flight personnel?"
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 September 2018 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Do they return the punishers to the sky? The technique can be shamanized, but what about the trained "flight personnel?"

      The question is rhetorical .... either to skip, or to master the flight specialty, for a long time, compatibility is small.
    2. MoJloT
      MoJloT 28 September 2018 16: 14
      0
      what about trained "flight crews?"
      What difference does meat eat meat ...
    3. Cavalryman
      Cavalryman 28 September 2018 17: 24
      -3
      Quote: 210ox
      Return punishers to heaven?

      They return it very quietly. If aviation is used this time, it will not seem enough.
      They can start simultaneously in Syria and the Donbass .. This will be a bloody butch.! I can smell it with genes
    4. kutuz
      kutuz 28 September 2018 20: 39
      +5
      Well, in the DNI there were trained anti-aircraft gunners, there are pilots too.
  2. Weight
    Weight 28 September 2018 14: 11
    +13
    Please, author, bomb your brains .... Could you better come up with a name?
    1. DeGreen
      DeGreen 28 September 2018 20: 58
      +2
      The author cites an article that was published in 2014, in Ukraine, on behalf of local residents.
      1. Weight
        Weight 29 September 2018 05: 53
        +2
        The author of the word * bomb * could not write .. Or trying How do all cheap journalists get attention?
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 28 September 2018 14: 13
    +23
    It’s not for nothing that Petya sells his assets .. it’s obvious that the Nazis decided to seriously hit the Donbass .. It is necessary to recognize the DPR and LPR as separate states or to include Russia as part of Russia;
    1. Weight
      Weight 28 September 2018 14: 44
      +11
      They won’t strike .... If they only try to pretend to be a breakthrough .... Putin said, they may lose their statehood .... And this is already scary for them
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 28 September 2018 14: 55
        +13
        Quote: Kettlebell
        They won’t strike .... If they only try to pretend to be a breakthrough .... Putin said, they may lose their statehood .... And this is already scary for them

        Who's scared? Only Petit with his fascist entourage .. I think Ukrainians ate Europe, if not with flowers, then obviously they will not be good at relations with Russia .. I read that the survey in Ukraine was carried out, how the USSR is treated, so more than 70% back to the USSR they want .. But Petya, with all his company, will be dumped in the USA, well, to Canada at the worst .. in the states he will most likely not be accepted .. laughing Whatever the situation, the story with the Donbass doesn’t look very beautiful .. you need to finish with this disgrace .. I’m asking the whole question and I don’t see the answer, maybe someone is more informed. Why do not we recognize the DNI and LC? What is in the way?
        1. Weight
          Weight 28 September 2018 15: 08
          +1
          Do not believe the polls ...
          They do not recognize it correctly ... A lot of crap lives here, hating not only Russia as a state, but the whole people of the Russian Federation ....
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 28 September 2018 15: 11
            +7
            Quote: Kettlebell
            Do not believe the polls ...
            They do not recognize it correctly ... A lot of crap lives here, hating not only Russia as a state, but the whole people of the Russian Federation ....

            That's how they zombified, but after all, one people ..
            1. Weight
              Weight 28 September 2018 15: 27
              +15
              No, it wasn’t * zombified * ... After the Great Patriotic War it was necessary to restore the Donbass ... And since they could not earn money in western Ukraine, they drove in cars to the Donbass ... Who left after, and many stayed here to live .. . But if from childhood to educate a person to hatred of another. He will hate him ... And the Ukrainians (western side) mentality - smile, and behind the bullet .... I hope I wrote clearly?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 28 September 2018 18: 09
                +5
                Quote: Kettlebell
                No, it wasn’t * zombified * ... After the Great Patriotic War it was necessary to restore the Donbass ... And since they could not earn money in western Ukraine, they drove in cars to the Donbass ... Who left after, and many stayed here to live .. . But if from childhood to educate a person to hatred of another. He will hate him ... And the Ukrainians (western side) mentality - smile, and behind the bullet .... I hope I wrote clearly?

                Yes, much clearer .. hi
        2. Dron_sk
          Dron_sk 28 September 2018 15: 33
          +1
          Why do not we recognize the DNI and LC? What is in the way?

          They wait until the roasted cock in the ass pecks and begins the killing of thousands of civilians as it was in Ossetia. In the meantime, the losses of 2-3 people here and there every week - it’s kind of not counting and does not serve as a basis for sending troops into unrecognized republics to protect them from the aggressor. Europe and the United States immediately stand on their hind legs. And ours are afraid of a direct conflict with NATO. Apparently, they believe that if you risk taking such a conflict, then you need good reason in the form of significant losses in the DPR and LPR. A cynical, cowardly expectation of significant losses, and only then will the type begin to act.
          1. Weight
            Weight 28 September 2018 15: 43
            +5
            I don’t know who * yours are afraid * .. And ours are not afraid- you want a war? Come * don’t be afraid *, something I doubt it .... * Cynical cowardly expectation of significant losses * - so come to us, I will help you arrange the best company to the front line to meet you .... * Cowardly awaiting * so that it will stink for 10 meters
            1. Sandor Clegane
              Sandor Clegane 28 September 2018 17: 48
              -1
              Quote: Kettlebell
              I will help you arrange acquaintance in a better company on the front line.

              Well, well .... these are words, but what is it that you knock on the clave? Why aren’t you in the trench, why aren’t you defending your land ??
              1. Weight
                Weight 28 September 2018 18: 11
                0
                soldier the contract is over and age already lets you know ...
                You, dear captain, don’t worry about my keyboard .. I have a normal one .. I feel good between the monitor and the chair now, I can troll and protect my land ... Not like you, clever about the * trenches * and * defend * in words ...
                1. Sandor Clegane
                  Sandor Clegane 28 September 2018 21: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Kettlebell
                  Not like you, clever about * trenches * and * protect * in words ...

                  for my land, I will stand without a contract and old age and tryndet at every corner about this I will not, unlike you. And I don't care about Internet trolls
            2. Dron_sk
              Dron_sk 28 September 2018 19: 43
              +5
              I don’t know who * your * are afraid * ..

              Look, you yourself admitted in the first sentence that you did not understand who I wrote about. That is, without realizing what your opponent wrote, you still began, foaming at the mouth, to prove to a stranger that he and your little finger are not worth yours and your comrades on the front line. First of all, you don't know me personally to say from whom, how, and how many meters it would smell. Secondly, it was about the recognition of the DPR and LPR by Russia and the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of the republics to protect them from the aggressor Ukraine. What have you and your comrades on the front lines to do with it? I spoke about our supreme commander-in-chief, that is, the president and all his advisers and the top of the Defense Ministry, who make decisions on the LPR and DPR. It was to them that the words "Cynical cowardly expectation of significant losses" belonged. It was not for nothing that I mentioned Ossetia. Who screwed up there? There, our leadership screwed up in that they did not work ahead of the curve and did not prevent Georgian aggression in the bud.
              PS You turned to me right away, although you and I did not have a dialogue at all before. And the person who addressed you immediately below to YOU ​​(Sandor Kligan), you began to communicate with him at YOU laughing Is it the captain’s epaulettes that affected you?) Are you aware that epaulettes here are given simply for the number of forum posts? These are not real military ranks :) Or are you just out of habit turning to YOU ​​only to those who shout at you menacingly and sharply in an orderly tone? laughing
              1. Weight
                Weight 29 September 2018 06: 08
                0
                Quote: Dron_sk
                . And the person who immediately addressed you below to YOU ​​(Sandor Kligan), you started talking to him laughing. Was it the captain’s shoulder straps that affected you?)

                Afiget, was it written to me?
              2. dmitry.kashkaryow
                dmitry.kashkaryow 2 October 2018 15: 24
                -1
                You are not essentially arguing, comrades captains, sergeants, and other comfrey! The introduction of Russian troops into the territory of the LNR, while these republics have not declared their sovereignty, will be open aggression against the sovereignty of Ukraine. First, a referendum on state sovereignty, a decree of the Supreme Authority on state sovereignty, and then an appeal to the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the President on reunification with Russia. Only in this way and nothing else. The Minsk agreements, where LDNR are recognized as the territory of Ukraine, impede this course of action. So the supreme power of LDNR must first denounce these agreements, declaring them null and void. While LDNR recognizes itself as part of Ukraine, there is no talk of any troop deployment. In the event of a massive attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on LDNR, Ukraine itself will actually denounce the Minsk format, and then such actions of Ukraine will untie the hands of both LDNR and Russia.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 28 September 2018 16: 39
            +2
            Quote: Dron_sk
            not grounds

            only losers look at the grounds ... Americans don’t look ... and we don’t need ...
            recognition LDNR only interfere with the consequences of this recognition ....
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 28 September 2018 18: 13
              +4
              Quote: NEOZ
              Quote: Dron_sk
              not grounds

              only losers look at the grounds ... Americans don’t look ... and we don’t need ...
              recognition LDNR only interfere with the consequences of this recognition ....

              I agree with you, and there will not be any clash with NATO, nor will anyone rock the boat .. But for those who have real estate and money abroad, they can squeeze them out ... it’s obvious that they’re afraid of it ..
              1. Dron_sk
                Dron_sk 28 September 2018 19: 50
                +1
                Does the President have real estate abroad, or maybe someone from the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? ... Do not talk nonsense. There are only two reasons why the DPR and LPR have not yet joined Russia. This is NATO and the fear of the most severe sanctions.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 28 September 2018 22: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: Dron_sk
                  Does the President have real estate abroad, or maybe someone from the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? ... Do not talk nonsense. There are only two reasons why the DPR and LPR have not yet joined Russia. This is NATO and the fear of the most severe sanctions.

                  Well, now you just wrote nonsense .. First of all, not you, I don’t know exactly where, what, who has abroad .. and until Navalny "piles up" laughing apparently we don’t know .. Secondly, the president is surrounded not only by the Moscow Region, but also by oligarchs and close billionaires, whose opinion he has to take into account .. There will be no clash with NATO .. ​​The NATO will not die for Ukraine .. All that will be -This is spinning the excessively acquired .. This is just what they are afraid of.
            2. Dron_sk
              Dron_sk 28 September 2018 20: 17
              +1
              only losers look at the bases ...

              Stupidity is utter. Why don't we join some country in Africa, since the bases are not needed? Yes, because what does any African country have to do with Russia. And in the DPR and LPR, there are the same Russian and Ukrainian people who at one time turned to Russia with a request for help. This is the basis! And the consequences of the recognition you are talking about are just the same! The reason for the LPR and DNR not to officially recognize and not to officially help with their weapons and troops.
              "Only losers look at the foundations" would look nice as a status in some social network for some teenager, pretending to be a badass tough dude who doesn't care about everyone and everything, who can "without any reason" go to crush a trade the counter at the poor granny's or just beat up the grandfather sitting on the bench.
              A serious responsible person always makes serious decisions based on something. From the recent: The basis for the delivery of S-300 systems to Syria was the IL-20 disaster and the need to protect our troops. They wanted to put it before, but there were no serious reasons, as soon as the foundation appeared - so immediately.
              So let's go without beautiful and stupid slogans. This is not a social network. And so already the military review in many aspects has become like the cheapest yellow press.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 28 September 2018 22: 33
                +4
                Quote: Dron_sk
                "Only losers look at the foundations"

                It’s just not quite right, in form, NEOZ put it .. but in essence he is right .. the weak look at the foundations .. that’s more accurate .. When it comes to the Russian people who are methodically exterminated .. what other reasons are needed? Moreover, more than once, the guarantor said that he would not leave the Russians ..
        3. victor50
          victor50 28 September 2018 15: 59
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Why do not we recognize the DNI and LC? What is in the way?

          And to a simpler question: how much is the DNI and LC, and not one republic who will answer? Are they people of different nationalities or something else?
          1. Weight
            Weight 28 September 2018 16: 13
            0
            When bindyuzhniks come to power about what a single republic can be discussed ...
            And yet, yes, different nationalities live here - and in the past, fugitives, convicts, bandits and the rest of the honest people .. and then pseudo-Ukrainians from the western outskirts came in quite a few .. It was such that there was customs between the LPR and the DPR ....
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ 28 September 2018 16: 40
            +2
            Quote: victor50
            DPR and LPR, not one republic

            so easier to manage.
        4. Varaga
          Varaga 28 September 2018 17: 10
          +3
          The survey in Ukraine was carried out as they relate to the USSR, as more than 70% want to return to the USSR.

          I confirm. Moreover, they say who like: whoever would be with Russia, and who is behind the USSR (mostly the older generation). First-hand information. Relatives in Ukraine.
        5. Vlad Petrov
          Vlad Petrov 28 September 2018 21: 14
          +4
          Why do not we recognize the DNI and LC? The answer is money. Much money. In January-May 2018, trade between Russia and Ukraine amounted to $ 5,838 billion, showing an increase of 28,7%. This is not just a green dough wagon, these are people in the workplace, with their salaries, a lot of people. Business communities are all different, on both sides. Political, power groups in the Kremlin and the banking in Kiev, which have their own distant political plans. To make a decision in the Donbass, you will have to lose someone loot, ruin someone, lose your job. Why did GDP so easily decide on Syria? Maybe because there is no ukro-Russo dough? Politics is dirt, blood, loot. (not me said)
          1. dmitry.kashkaryow
            dmitry.kashkaryow 2 October 2018 15: 34
            0
            Do not despise "loot"! Money is the equivalent of human labor and intellectual activity. He despises money, despises people! There is no other equivalent in relations between people, no need to dissemble. The sword of war, cutting cash flows, cuts the lives of people not only on the battlefield, but also in the rear and in other non-belligerent countries. Militant idiots do not know this!
        6. igorka357
          igorka357 29 September 2018 15: 48
          +1
          A lot of that does not allow to recognize the UN charters to help you!
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 28 September 2018 16: 36
        +2
        Quote: Kettlebell
        Do not hit ....

        hit ...... they don’t have a choice ....
        1. Weight
          Weight 28 September 2018 16: 44
          +2
          No .. they won’t hit .... The biggest thing he can do. To play a card with passports of Poles, Hungarians, to make them separatists and announce a curfew in Ukraine ... And there will be no elections. In short, any provocation of a crime against the state
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 28 September 2018 18: 14
          +4
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Kettlebell
          Do not hit ....

          hit ...... they don’t have a choice ....

          Yes, I also think that the owners of blood demand petins from him ..
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 29 September 2018 15: 45
      0
      As part of Russia, we increased the retirement age, we howled, the country is in the most severe sanctions .. and you want the Donbass who are practically not giving anything .. are you crazy with your mind? Don’t forget the same Ukrainians in the Donbass as in Kiev, they’re just different hand, you give Crimea an example, so Crimea controls the entire Black Sea, you think deeper, remember the history of what the Russian statehood has become! You can imagine how much money is needed now in the Donbass .. everything is destroyed, nothing works! I think that in the long run a profitable region for the Russian Federation, but not in the situation we are in now .. it's sad!
      1. dmitry.kashkaryow
        dmitry.kashkaryow 2 October 2018 15: 41
        0
        For this, the gold and foreign exchange reserve is now pumping! The one that melted after being admitted to the Crimea! And the Donetsk coal basin is not only coal, and there are not so many Ukrainians there, it is the Russian region. Not as much as Crimea, but still ...
  4. moisha
    moisha 28 September 2018 14: 18
    -1
    The author forgot about the incredible reserves of the Donbass mines. Tanks, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns, artillery, etc. are removed from them. Only in terms of tanks, the "people's republics" have left such a rather large country as Germany far behind. This is probably due to Russian technologies for the extraction of various weapons from coal mines.
    1. Weight
      Weight 28 September 2018 14: 40
      +9
      Moysha, how do you know WHAT tanks are in the LPR and the DPR? You still say that they are from the Russian Federation lol
      Residents and the military, LPR and DPR, do not give a damn about your sarcasm and you, including ... *С* there’s a lot of things here, and cyborgs (coffins) didn’t hesitate to sell equipment to the militia ... As I understand it, you come from a state in which some people go with pots on their heads?
    2. Varaga
      Varaga 28 September 2018 17: 14
      0
      Not great for you, Mumiytroll. Not long years to you, and not to you, not a tire. And Schaub, still, is empty Bulo.
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 29 September 2018 15: 45
      0
      It’s probably more correct to write here, not here!
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    1. Weight
      Weight 28 September 2018 14: 42
      +2
      I will tell you that I was told by the familiar flyers who now live in Russia ..... NEMA OF FOOLS lol
  6. tracer
    tracer 28 September 2018 14: 19
    +1
    The author writes well, but only I noticed that after reading his articles I just want to sprinkle ash on my head?
  7. Cottager452
    Cottager452 28 September 2018 14: 22
    +3
    And it’s hard to carry, and it’s a pity to abandon.
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    1. Wolf
      Wolf 28 September 2018 15: 30
      +18
      1959 The United States delivered nuclear weapons to Turkey, 1962. USSR is the same in Cuba. Then the fascists in the United States began to draw a red line, comprehend the agreement of Khrushchov Kenedy. What is left of this contract? NATO fascists on the borders of Russia and with nuclear weapons !!! Where is the Russian line redder? It is necessary with a new wait as Hitler? World War 3 Should Boytsya Exclusively Russia? If most of the attack planes are waiting during the cad and the technology will be drones, Russia will not have a 10% chance of incubating afterwards that they can let them in by thousands and in a quick bistro, as they did during WWII. They are waiting for the bi to start being ice floes and it is not worth agreeing with them, they beat and remained. They saber the treaty only in fear of fear, as soon as they think that the powers of the treaty are no longer valid. What do the fascists understand? Just force and crushing blow like 1945! In a military rush to the border of Russia, the nada will simply prohibit, as well as their army, close to the Russian borders at 1000 km, and will call it a red line, as did 1962 Kennedy. And whether they think it is possible or not, they simply respect brute force.
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 28 September 2018 17: 22
        +7
        Hello brother Serb!
        Neither subtract nor add.
        It’s great that you Serbs do not give up either. It seems to me that we will tear more than one button accordion at the funeral of the Anglo-Saxons.
    2. Wolf
      Wolf 28 September 2018 15: 41
      +3
      They came up with ISIS in 1961. , it is clear that it beat the South American version! wink https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/sr/Инвазија_у_Заливу_свиња
  9. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 28 September 2018 14: 54
    0
    Donbass people need to throw Needles!
    1. KCA
      KCA 28 September 2018 15: 55
      +1
      So the Ukrainians have already "found" MANPADS in the "Zhiguli-classic", not at all puzzled by the question of how a two-meter pipe can be crammed into the "classic" without knocking out the windows, put out into the side window with a red flag?
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 28 September 2018 14: 56
    0
    It is possible to find frostbitten ones, but such a quality contingent ends quickly .... all the same, "galloping" without preparation, on the plane ??? perhaps hang in the bomb bay.
  11. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 28 September 2018 15: 35
    +2
    It looks like a noble provocation is ripening. When the freaks from the glad will allow the aircraft of partners to fly over "their" territory ... Here you will need illumination from the S-400. In order to avoid.
  12. av58
    av58 28 September 2018 15: 47
    +3
    It is unlikely that the Americans and other NATO members will decide to directly participate in the civil war on the side of Poroshenko, especially if there is a risk of a direct clash with Russia.
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 28 September 2018 15: 52
    -3
    The maltese author didn’t write at all! the first one! Speech by Kurt Walker! What was he talking about? About help in restoring the combat effectiveness of the Navy and Air Force! That bish, teachings are just a test. Have you reached the standards? By spring, Ukraine will receive a couple of dozen F-16s in the 4-5 block variant. Or maybe more. Transfer boats from the same Temko. First of all, I mean 3 Danish station wagons.
    1. mvg
      mvg 28 September 2018 16: 15
      0
      F-16 in the embodiment block 4-5

      Are there such people? In use Block 52+ Nobody even flies to Block 30 .. they need to be upgraded ..
      Transfer boats from the same Temko

      Two boats without weapons, and $ 9 million training
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 28 September 2018 16: 24
      +2
      Well, a couple of dozen F16, block 52, with logistics, and so on. worth a billion and a half or two billion dollars. Maybe only in a dream, nothing else .... It is only possible if you scrape money together and pay, but gifts for such money are fiction.
    3. Varaga
      Varaga 28 September 2018 19: 54
      0
      ... And a sucker on a stick. In order not to be boring to watch as "ladles" intercept the Black Sea Fleet.
    4. Rzzz
      Rzzz 28 September 2018 21: 13
      0
      Yeah, dreaming, F16. At the storage bases, "Phantoms" and "Tigers" are still gathering dust!
  14. mvg
    mvg 28 September 2018 16: 13
    +1
    950 military air forces from different countries, among which, besides the USA, also Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, the Netherlands

    Does Estonia have an air force? Come on... ))))
  15. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 28 September 2018 16: 19
    +5
    Russia needs to quickly solve the problem of Donbas. This conflict at the border depletes resources, depletes the people of LDN, and plays into the hands of the Americans. Plus, some Russians kill other Russians. This is Washington's dream.
    And the decision must be somehow painless so that the cry does not rise in Europe. If it was easy, they would have decided, but this wound must be closed, regardless of how much money it will cost.
  16. K-50
    K-50 28 September 2018 16: 21
    +1
    The objectives of the “return of Ukrainian aviation to the sky” are subordinated to the upcoming large-scale aviation schools, which will be held in Ukraine in the near future with the participation of the United States and eight other NATO countries.

    All this pack of oligophrenics will easily cause some provocation against Russia.
    Fools law is not written. request sad
  17. NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 28 September 2018 16: 41
    +1
    Oh, in the photo a crocodile is attacking the airport on 26.04.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. And why did they suddenly decide that the Air Force acted unsuccessfully "Due to poor training of pilots and lack of flight personnel ..." The enemy was not weak. The "others" were stronger.
    Mermaids fought and are at war with males.

    Here 95% are Russian-speaking.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 28 September 2018 22: 34
      -1
      Amerikos has one wrong letter in his last name. He is not CONDON. and
    2. DeGreen
      DeGreen 29 September 2018 03: 39
      +3
      Rusak, this is one who thinks in Russian. And those Russian-speaking, who are fighting on the side of ukroermah, they are not Russians. They are judah
      1. Weight
        Weight 29 September 2018 06: 16
        0
        Rusak is Russian or what? I know hares of crayons ...
        And on the Ukrainian side, many people are fighting. And Russians who think in Russian and consider themselves Russian ...
        1. bang
          bang 29 September 2018 16: 25
          0
          I know hares
          Alas, not everyone is up to date and they write themselves down voluntarily in hares)
          1. Weight
            Weight 29 September 2018 16: 38
            0
            Alas, not everyone is up to date and volunteers to write themselves down Well, this is now a modern feature of some individuals who consider themselves Russian, but who adore everything American or young-green yet
  18. Cavalryman
    Cavalryman 28 September 2018 17: 29
    0
    Again in the Donbass blood smelled ..

    Aviation outskirts, proved its bloody origin .. This time will be even worse.
    Russia is silent ...
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 28 September 2018 18: 07
      +1
      "It smelled of blood again in Donbass," but before you think it smelled like roses?
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 28 September 2018 18: 16
      +6
      Quote: Cavalryman
      Again in the Donbass blood smelled ..

      Aviation outskirts, proved its bloody origin .. This time will be even worse.
      Russia is silent ...

      Tin .... lump to the throat rolls stsuki ..
  19. vladcub
    vladcub 28 September 2018 18: 05
    +1
    Quote: Kettlebell
    Please, author, bomb your brains .... Could you better come up with a name?

    Reporter's Law: the louder the headline the better
  20. vladcub
    vladcub 28 September 2018 18: 10
    +1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Russia needs to quickly solve the problem of Donbas. This conflict at the border depletes resources, depletes the people of LDN, and plays into the hands of the Americans. Plus, some Russians kill other Russians. This is Washington's dream.
    And the decision must be somehow painless so that the cry does not rise in Europe. If it was easy, they would have decided, but this wound must be closed, regardless of how much money it will cost.

    So it is, but how to put it into practice?
  21. German Titov
    German Titov 28 September 2018 20: 15
    +5
    Quote: Kettlebell
    No, it wasn’t * zombified * ... After the Great Patriotic War it was necessary to restore the Donbass ... And since they could not earn money in western Ukraine, they drove in cars to the Donbass ... Who left after, and many stayed here to live .. . But if from childhood to educate a person to hatred of another. He will hate him ... And the Ukrainians (western side) mentality - smile, and behind the bullet .... I hope I wrote clearly?


    A little misconception. Before the army, I worked in the mine with people from memory. There were normal men. The miners affectionately called them "Bandera", but there was nothing "Bandera" about them. Their children and grandchildren serve in the DNR NM. In general, they serve from all over Ukraine. For the most part, they were “zombified” - a part of the younger generation (pun intended).
    1. Weight
      Weight 29 September 2018 06: 25
      0
      And what does that prove? Part of the younger generation serves in the LPR and DNR army, another part went to Russia, and the other part drinks vodka, beer and walks ... You had * nothing Bandera * in the mine, and when the miners went to Kiev and asked the metallurgists to come to the rescue or announce solidarity that did the metallurgists of the Lugansk and Donetsk region? Do not remember? But it was Russian ... True, she is the most correct for everyone, but in life she is different
  22. German Titov
    German Titov 28 September 2018 20: 23
    +2
    Is the title of the article an appeal? You can't even think of such a thing! Sit under shelling "stupidly press".
  23. Sergei75
    Sergei75 28 September 2018 21: 16
    +2
    Damn, how in time for GDP and Dimona NATO is sharpening its teeth on Russia, again we cannot solve internal problems - the enemy is at the gate, we need to unite and not change "horses" - even though they are eating into three throats.
    1. Likant
      Likant 29 September 2018 00: 35
      0
      Well, the horses are already pulling carts home from behind a hill! Money is being returned to Russia so that evil uncles do not take it away! So not everything is lost! And investments in projects have appeared! To put an end early and go to bed in a coffin! :)
  24. Likant
    Likant 29 September 2018 00: 29
    0
    US "inciting Kiev"? Yes, they will say, and Kiev will perform with puppy loyalty in its eyes! And the Militia, as always, will shoot down the Ukrainian aces trained by the Americans. We were already hiding in the clouds in 2014 and we got them, and we have a lot of Soviet-trained professionals, so the United States is still fighting against the USSR! But it will be necessary - we will get from under the floor and Russian weapons! America has no chance in any case! Let them fly there, but rejoice! ... before death! :)
  25. NY
    NY 29 September 2018 04: 34
    0
    And also two decommissioned "battleships" are being sold to Ukraine for the Azov flotilla .....
  26. Weight
    Weight 29 September 2018 05: 56
    0
    Quote: Dron_sk
    all the same, you began to prove with foam at the mouth to a stranger that he and your little finger are not worth yours and your comrades are at the forefront.

    Well, do not bend over and come up with your thoughts for me ..... * To a stranger * I wrote, if he wants to find out who HE is, let him come to us ... He learns a lot about himself ..
  27. Weight
    Weight 29 September 2018 05: 58
    +1
    Quote: Dron_sk
    Secondly, it was about recognition of the DPR and LPR by Russia and the entry of Russian troops into the republics to protect them from the aggressor-Ukraine.

    Secondly, dear, you need to read carefully ... Do you want to fight? Come too ...
  28. Weight
    Weight 29 September 2018 06: 04
    -1
    Quote: Dron_sk
    I spoke about our supreme commander-in-chief, that is, the president and all his advisers and the top of the Defense Ministry, who make decisions on the LPR and DPR. It was to them that the words "Cynical cowardly expectation of significant losses" belonged. It is not for nothing that I mentioned Ossetia. Who screwed up there? There our leadership screwed up in that they did not work ahead of the curve and did not prevent the Georgian aggression in the bud.

    Clearly, you are not a recognized specialist in the Russian Federation .. * Fucked * it's you.
    Now, regarding the word YOU ... I don’t care, this is a public place, and you don’t have authority for me. And I speak differently with non-authoritative * people ....
    1. Weight
      Weight 29 September 2018 06: 27
      0
      The site administrator has forbidden you to leave comments on this site.
      What kind of word are you * to a respected person *?
  29. Weight
    Weight 29 September 2018 06: 10
    -1
    Quote: Dron_sk
    Or are you just out of habit, you are turning only to those who shout at you menacingly and sharply in an orderly tone?

    You * excuse me *, but your essence, in this commentary, showed that you are either a young or offended adult, petty and funny person
  30. Weight
    Weight 29 September 2018 06: 36
    -1
    Quote: Sandor Clegane
    for my land, I will stand without a contract and old age and tryndet at every corner about this I will not, unlike you. And I don't care about Internet trolls

    What did you dislike about what I wrote? You say that * without a contract and old age I will stand and tryndet on every corner * ... Do you offer to fight the same? I propose to come and fight .. Why should the Russian people be sent to war? This is not his people, the war is you, and you like lovers to fight ... If you fought, you would not want to continue the war ..
  31. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 29 September 2018 11: 43
    +1
    And who prevents Russia from organizing "exercises" in the LPNR to repel air raids on the unrecognized republics, providing them with modern means of destroying air assets?
  32. Antares
    Antares 29 September 2018 16: 20
    +1
    1 Su-27,

    An interesting element - when is it shot down then?
  33. Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 September 2018 18: 31
    -4
    In total, the losses of Ukrainian aviation recognized by Kiev amounted to 11 aircraft (1 An-30, 1 An-26, 1 Il-76, 2 Mi-24, 2 MiG-29, 4 X-NUMX helicopter) and 25 Mi-7).

    Forgot to add Malaysian Boeing. I remember how everyone was happy that they shot down another An, then it turned out that the passenger Boeing ((
  34. AleBors
    AleBors 1 October 2018 13: 49
    -1
    Quote: Kettlebell
    Putin said, they can lose their statehood ...

    He has said a lot of things. Yes, not everything came true .. So it is quite possible to agree with the "partners" on the surrender of Donbass, for the lifting of sanctions, or something else ..
  35. novel68rus
    novel68rus 2 October 2018 14: 01
    +1
    training pilots is an expensive pleasure .. continue to naughty from afar as usual ..
  36. Sergey Goncharov
    Sergey Goncharov 4 October 2018 02: 24
    0
    to combat missions against the people's republics had to involve composite crews assembled from different aircraft parts from all over Ukraine

    It is something! laughing Combined crews of single-seat aircraft ... wassat True, two-seater Su-24M / MR flew as well - but "there is no way to collect combined crews for them from different air units" not perhaps - all such aircraft of the Air Force of Ukraine as part of a single tactical aviation brigade - specifically the 7th (2 bay, 1 rae).

    Combat losses of Ukrainian military aviation:
    according to the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (the only body that released official information about the losses of military aircraft; no "other departments" by this not engaged):
    1 An-26, 2 An-30, 1 BP-3, 1 Il-76, 5 Mi-8, 5 Mi-24, 2 MiG-29, 1 Su-24, 7 Su-25, 1 Su-27 - total 26 aircraft;
    according to the Ministry of Defense of the DNI and LC: + 1 IL-76 and 4 Su-25 - a total of 31 aircraft.
  37. Zounds
    Zounds 4 October 2018 12: 09
    0
    However, the appearance at the disposal of the defenders of the Donbass even more effective air defense systems further limited the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force.

    Can you give me more details about which ones?))