Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 5. Brand instead of coat of arms

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State emblem - a distinctive sign transmitted by inheritance, one of the symbols of statehood, reflecting historical and the philosophical essence of any state.





According to the Constitution of Ukraine, “The Great State Emblem of Ukraine is established taking into account the small State Emblem of Ukraine and the Emblem of the Zaporozhian Army ... The main element of the large State Emblem of Ukraine is the Sign of the Prince Vladimir Great State (the small State Emblem of Ukraine)”.

Let me tell you a little secret: Ukraine today does not have a state emblem, there is only a small emblem - a trident on a blue golden shield. At the same time, it is pathetically indicated that this is the “Sign of the Princely State of Vladimir the Great.” The authors of this statement refer to the sign of the state, which, and with that name, never existed. Also, there is still no large emblem, there is only a bill on this emblem, which has not been considered by the Parliament of Ukraine.

So, the main symbol of the state so far is the trident, whose history is shrouded in fog. No one knows exactly where it came from and what this symbol means. There are more than thirty Ukrainian versions of its origin. This is completely abnormal, the symbol of the state is a sign whose meaning is not known to anyone, even those who accepted it.

Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 5. Brand instead of coat of arms


There are several versions of its origin. One by one, Prince Vladimir seemed to use it as a personal heraldic sign on seals and coins. The trident at the same time was solely his personal symbol, which had nothing in common with the generic heraldic signs of Rurikovich. In addition to the trident, various Old Russian princes also used the now-forgotten "bicar" and a lot of other sovereign symbols, resembling stamps for cattle. Trident has also never been a state emblem of Russia.

Rather, it is just a distinctive princely symbol, the personal symbol of the prince, to whom he has tagged everything that belonged to him, from his coins to cattle, bricks and slaves. That is, it was a purely economic sign of ownership that had no relation to heraldry. That is why each prince had his own personal trident or biden.

Regarding what exactly this sign depicts, there are many assumptions: banner, anchor, chandelier, ax, dive falcon (as on the emblem of the ancient Russian city of Ladoga). What they tried to discern in the princely brand! We do not know what the Rurik thinkers thought about, branding their cattle. But they certainly and in a nightmare did not assume that this brand could become a symbol of the Ukrainian state through the centuries.

What is interesting, this symbol in different versions was used only by the closest successors of Prince Vladimir: Svyatopolk Damned and Yaroslav the Wise. Subsequently, Rurikovich and Russian tsars never used a trident as the coat of arms of Russia.

In this regard, it is amusing to observe the Ukrainian “state-makers” who rooted the trident with romantic legends, even read the word “will” in it and worship it with reverence as an ancient symbol of Ukrainian statehood.

The trident also sends us to the myth of Neptune, the ancient god of the sea, whose dark energy is aimed at destruction. As an attribute of Neptune, this dangerous and cruel god, the trident symbolizes the element not subject to man.

Since Christian times, the trident is often referred to as one of the symbols of the spiritual power of the prince of darkness. Satan is often depicted with a trident in his hand. Yes, and the notorious devils portrayed with a pitchfork, and it is triple.

According to another version, the princely trident really looks like the tops of the scepter of the emperors of Byzantium. And by the presence of the Christian cross on the trident of Prince Yaroslav the Wise, we can assume its connection with the Byzantine emperors.

What was the top of the scepter of the Byzantine emperors? Only general contours are visible on the seals. If we take into account that the eagle was the symbol of the ruling dynasty of the Palaeologus and the state symbol of the Byzantine Empire, then it was he who should be seated on the imperial scepter.

That is, the top of the scepter, then copied by the Russian princes, was a simplified depiction of a two-headed eagle, a symbol of the Christian unity of East and West. Thus, we can assume that, ironically, the small emblem of Ukraine is a stylized imperial eagle, which has now flown over to the emblem of Russia.

According to the most convincing third version, confirmed by the facts, the earliest image of a trident appeared on the coins of Prince Vladimir of Kiev at the end of the X century. In 985, Prince Vladimir seized Khazaria, and the Khazar state ceased to exist.



Due to the fact that until the X century, coins in Russia were not minted, Vladimir’s first coins were an imitation of the Khazar tamga, which was trading at the merchant market at that time, all the more so because this emphasized the victory over the kaganate. As can be seen from the figures, the image of the trident on the coins is a direct tracing from the Khazar tamga, which was in wide use in the Khazar Kaganate.




As Christianity strengthened, the victory over Khazaria became history, and tamgha-shaped signs disappear from use on the coins of Russia. On the obverse side of the next coin, the prince sitting on the throne was depicted, and on the reverse side Jesus Christ was depicted, as on Byzantine solids. That is, the appearance of the image of the trident-tamga was temporary.

Therefore, to use the image of the tamga of the Khazar Khaganate, who has died in the darkness of the ages, as well as the state coat of arms of Ukraine, with an unknown meaning, is not only a manifestation of low historical literacy, but a sign of the lack of historical events and traditions in the state material for the coat of arms.

Now about what is not, - about a large emblem, the draft of which has not been adopted by the Parliament of Ukraine. It is made in the "heraldic" style of African states that have recently gained independence, and most of all resembles the logo of a commercial company than the national emblem. This is a complete departure from the elementary aesthetic norms, the lack of taste, style and sense of proportion with simultaneous aggressive debacle and primitivization of everything and everyone.



First of all, symbolic and semantic incompatibility of details is striking. Everything that someone thought was purely Ukrainian was simply pushed into it. And this is not by chance.

European heraldry is directly related to the aristocratic past, chivalry, nobility, and is limited by clear symbolic and semantic rules, when each detail carries its precise meaning and is in its specific place.

Countries that are deprived of a noble, aristocratic past have no need to observe the laws of heraldry. They simply place symbols of the daily life of their people on their arms. Though Kalashnikov assault rifle. There is a completely different, non-European logic. That is why the project of the large coat of arms of Ukraine is purely “popular”, resembling a souvenir tray with lubochnye knickknacks.

The draft of the coat of arms depicts a lion, symbolizing the Galician-Volyn principality, and a Cossack Zaporozhye army, which seemed to personify the unity of Western and Eastern Ukraine. What is the unity between the wild beast and the muzhik with a gun? This is obvious - the desire for mutual destruction. It is unlikely that relations between the whole of Ukraine and Galicia can be shown more precisely on a symbolic level.

In addition, the lion on the coat of arms project is a slightly modified lion from the emblem of Lviv and the SS Galichina SS 14 division. On the head of the SS young one they simply put on the golden crown of the kingdom of Galicia, which was once part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It turned out a wonderful symbol of Western Ukraine - the SS lion with the Austrian crown on his head.




And the state-making of Eastern Ukraine is symbolized by a Cossack. And this is despite the fact that the Cossacks always carried the uncontrollable, anarchic element that denies any statehood! In the Cossacks, through the Wild Field, to the Zaporizhian Sich, they ran for will, not freedom. For the will!

So, the project of a large coat of arms turned out to be very symbolic, besides, a lion and a man trample wheat and viburnum into the ground - the generosity and wealth of the land, as if emphasizing the destructive power of this state.

Since the XIV century for more than five hundred years, the trident has been completely forgotten. On the territory of present-day Ukraine, at the suggestion of the representatives of Galicia, the trident was tried to revive in the symbolism of the Ukrainian People’s Republic, the hetman of Skoropadsky and the Petlyura directory. In addition to the decline, civil war and another ruin, it did not bring anything worthwhile. That is symbolic, all these supposedly republics existed solely at the expense of foreign bayonets. Whether Germans, Poles, not important. The main condition is the presence of a foreign army on the territory declared by the next Ukraine.

In the years of the Great Patriotic War, the Galician collaborators from the OUN-UPA under this symbolism destroyed their compatriots. And again, only after the appearance on our land of foreign, this time Hitler, boots. Vladimir Simonenko wrote about them well:

"It’s not for nothing that you people called dogs
Bo you licked nimtsyam postola.
Oraly Heil okhryplymy bass,
That “Xe ne vmarla!” Is a voice-voiced ravly ”.

From Galicia, he came to 1991 in the separatist parliament of Ukraine and was imposed as state symbolism.

The symbolism of Ukrainian statehood is as ridiculous as its real reality. For this symbolism it is not difficult to see its near sad future and depressing prospects.



Unbiased comparing the coat of arms of the Ukrainian SSR with the small coat of arms and the project of the large coat of arms of Ukraine, we will see a striking difference. As far as the first one speaks about the heights of aspirations of its creators, so much the second - about the wretchedness, provincialism and unviable state with such symbolism. This, in turn, points to the artificiality of the very idea of ​​Ukrainian statehood, giving it a touch of doom and inability.
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  1. +7
    26 September 2018 05: 48
    Vladimir took possession of the Khazaria ??? Svyatoslav seems to have done this ...
    1. +3
      26 September 2018 07: 19
      The coat of arms of Djibouti is more thought out. Ancient people. There is something in common with the Khazar elite. Therefore, the resemblance to the Khazar tamga. And in Ukraine there are mankurts. They do not even remember with whom and against whom their fathers and grandfathers fought. Surely many already think that as Galitsians-FOR Hitler. From mankurts and traitors, you can try to sculpt people. Just don’t expect logic from logic. The intelligentsia is not there. From the word at all. Intellectual rejects unnatural, malignant education
      .
      1. -2
        26 September 2018 11: 11
        The intelligentsia is there. You just do not need to think that the intelligentsia is something good, do not confuse intellectuals with intellectuals.
        1. 0
          26 September 2018 14: 48
          Quote: NG inform
          no need to think that the intelligentsia is something good
          So the Bandera-fascist junta thinks just that.
          No other points of view, except the State Department, are allowed in Ukraine.
          Even on Russian resources there are abundantly present Ukrainian trolls (infobits), funded both by grants from the State Department, and in other ways, the task of which is to discredit any free Ukrainian points of view. And the Russians too. There are no intelligentsia in Ukraine, and, first of all, there are no historians as scientists or just honest people. It is clear that I do not mean those who in Ukraine do not have the right to open their mouths (because they will be imprisoned, a house will be burned, their family will be mutilated, etc.). Apukhtin tried to openly express his point of view in Ukraine. It is very important to know the point of view of honest people, such as Yuri Apukhtin, who, for the sake of truth, went through junta prisons. I’m not nonsense to read Ukrainian falsifiers from Wikipedia.
          Today, the rulers of Ukraine have declared a hunt for hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church. However, the junta death battalions have long been engaged in such killings. This was officially announced in Ukraine today. Peacekeeper - a structure associated with the Ukrainian authorities. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion are the zombie formulas of the world government for the peoples subject to genocide and destruction in its position.
          1. -1
            1 October 2018 12: 12
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            funded as grants from the State Department

            de can take your share (s) winked
            It is very important to know the point of view of honest people, such as Yuri Apukhtin, who, for the sake of truth, went through junta prisons.

            His opinion is no worse and no better than many others. Moreover, dislike of the regime, voila - a complete portrait of the "Ukrainian Solzhenitsyn"
            It is not true, much less true. For me, this is more a set of stamps for a specific audience. This is a private opinion of citizen Apukhin and everyone decides for himself whether he likes it or not.
            I adhere to a different point of view and have not yet seen "honest historians", let alone true or true ..
    2. 0
      26 September 2018 10: 26
      Vladimir made a campaign at the mouth of the Volga to finish off the Khazars and the rising Volga Bulgaria, after which he established control in this region .... it seems like after this campaign to Vladimir messengers went to accept a new faith ...
    3. +1
      26 September 2018 11: 07
      Apparently, not all)) In 985, Prince Vladimir made a new campaign against Khazaria and imposed tribute to it. Under 986, the Russian annals reported on the embassy of the Khazar Jews to Vladimir with a proposal to accept their faith.
      1. Cat
        +1
        26 September 2018 11: 45
        Our annals say the following about those events (words are attributed to the uncle of Prince Vladimir - Dobryna Nikitich
        I looked at the prisoners, all in boots, these tributes will not be paid. Come on, look for the lapotnikov.

        Yours!
    4. 0
      26 September 2018 16: 59
      That's right, Vladimir could not do this since he himself was half the Khazarin.
      1. Cat
        +4
        26 September 2018 19: 38
        Wow .... you stood with a candle !!!?
        The official story calls the father of Vladimir I Svyatoslavovich - Svyatoslav Igorevich, mother the key keeper of Mal. By the way, his grandmother was Princess Olga, and uncle (brother of Vladimir’s mother) Dobrynya Nikitich. And where is Moisha Rabinovich here?
        By the way, Kagan or the prince, to whom, like Vladimir, he pursued a tough policy towards the Khazar Kaganate, or rather its shadow. Sitting on the way from the Varangians to the Greeks, he was not opposed to crushing the path from the Varangians to the Persians.
    5. -1
      6 October 2018 00: 18
      Andrey Sukharev (Andrey Sukharev) : Vladimir took possession of the Khazaria ??? Svyatoslav seems to have done this ...
      Yes, no one took possession of it, with the exception of the Caspian Sea. Svyatoslav only destroyed, and the Caspian put a bullet in the history of the Khazar Khaganate
  2. Cat
    +7
    26 September 2018 05: 53
    Thanks to the author for the article and the topic raised!
    Now allow a little digression.
    Rather, it is just a distinctive princely symbol, the personal symbol of the prince, to whom he has tagged everything that belonged to him, from his coins to cattle, bricks and slaves. That is, it was a purely economic sign of ownership that had no relation to heraldry. That is why each prince had his own personal trident or biden.

    The most ancient symbols of state power, just from this and began. Trite with from the underside of the bull to the coat of arms! Here it is necessary to pay attention to the causal historical connection of one with the other. Otherwise, you can go far.
    For example, the "five-pointed star" is a fairly common symbol (stigma) of the British tribes in the era of the Saxon invasion of the foggy Albion. But the history of its appearance on the flags of the USSR and the USA, alas, is completely different.
    Regarding coats of arms in the Middle Ages - the science of heraldiccus also has its own processes and history of formation and development. I think it is a little feigned to hang the established requirements for the events of centuries ago. Well, the crowned heads "fought" from each other, which they liked!
    In a word, "the role of the individual" in the formation of statesmen is still waiting for its researcher.
    In Russia, one Peter I on heraldry "navayal" so much that historians dig, dig and dig!
    Yours!
    1. +6
      26 September 2018 08: 14
      The author, due to his limitations, does not understand that the effect of such a primitive propaganda product of a local spill is completely opposite to the one intended. Collect information from Wikipedia, diluting it with a well-known substance enough to produce a primitive sketch, but there is no "exposure" from this, to put it mildly.
      Yes, and the characters of the collaborators, the author is clearly not of great talent. This page must either be honestly written or not touched.
      1. +6
        26 September 2018 09: 41
        Quote: Curious
        The author, due to his limitations, does not understand that the effect of such a primitive propaganda product of a local spill is completely opposite to the one intended. Collect information from Wikipedia, diluting it with a well-known substance enough to produce a primitive sketch, but there is no "exposure" from this, to put it mildly.
        Yes, and the characters of the collaborators, the author is clearly not of great talent. This page must either be honestly written or not touched.

        What do you specifically disagree with? Just say the article is bad everyone can! Do you have your own version of the appearance of this symbol of Ukraine? Or do you just understand the artificiality of this symbol and you are unpleasant when they discuss it? hi
        1. 0
          26 September 2018 12: 07
          Regarding the quality of the article - everything is outlined in my comment.
          Regarding the discussion - I did not see him. For the author, the main task is to pour out bile, the rest is just a background for throwing at a fan.
          1. +4
            26 September 2018 12: 13
            Quote: Curious
            Regarding the quality of the article - everything is outlined in my comment.
            Regarding the discussion - I did not see him. For the author, the main task is to pour out bile, the rest is just a background for throwing at a fan.

            You actually repeated your post! But in essence, tell us where this symbol comes from? What did the author say wrongly, what do you disagree with? Or should the author say that this is a symbol of the ancient Aryans, ukrov, proto-humans, the first people on the planet? Then, you probably would have been happy!?!
            1. +1
              26 September 2018 13: 56
              "Or the author should have said that this is a symbol of the ancient Aryans-Ukrov-protohumans, the first people on the planet ...
              No, the author should have said that this is an ancient symbol of the superethnos of the Russoarians, from whom all other peoples, including blacks and Papuans, descended.
              Are you drawn to the discussion of the historical folly of the folkhistorics? Or are you charged for another hohlosrach, judging by the fact that you do not perceive my comment in any way.
              I'll try in more detail
              The article is presented as debunking myths. However, the author does not debunk any myths.
              He copies and pastes publicly available information about the Ukrainian coat of arms, about which Ukrainian historians themselves have absolutely no consensus, and everything the author writes about can be found on the most "Ukrainian" sites, including articles on the Ukrainian Wikipedia. This copy-paste is accompanied by the author's bile flow in the form of his personal opinion on this issue.
              Where is the debunking of myths here? Did you find in the article information that is not on wikipedia?
              So the place for this opus in the section "Opinions", at best. You never know what anyone's opinion on this or that issue. What does history have to do with it?
              I do not want to offend you in any way, but if you do not understand what I have stated, then we are talking about the discrepancy between ambitions and opportunities.
              1. +2
                26 September 2018 14: 08
                PS Gentlemen of minusers, please do not be shy, since the information on the number of individuals in society for which the baseboard is an insurmountable barrier is always interesting.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2018 14: 42
                  Viktor Nikolaevich, don’t start, it’s not worth it ...
                  1. -2
                    1 October 2018 12: 17
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Viktor Nikolaevich, don’t start, it’s not worth it ...

                    Sisoph's work. Do not waste time. Although water wears away the stone, but here the rate of appearance of such articles is more often than their scrupulous study. The main thing is a short-term effect for the audience, then it can be rolled up (the text goes to the information that the audience wants)
                    This is a cheap trick of selling the right product. We train, and then regularly sell.
          2. +1
            26 September 2018 12: 33
            Another thing surprises me. For 22 years, Apukhtin lived under state symbols so hated by him, and only after becoming an active opposition of the current Ukrainian authorities did he suddenly discover the flaw of this symbolism.
            1. -2
              1 October 2018 12: 20
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I am surprised by another

              There are many of those. Even ardent admirers of the regime after 1 Maidan, who suddenly changed their country and became eager to vilify everything that they themselves did ..
              That's not news.
              Is the society not familiar with the propagandists of Maidan 1, and those who are now in the Russian Federation-blaspheming Ukraine with taxpayers' money, inviting hired actors? And articles also print.
              Normal work ... today for those tomorrow for these ...
    2. +3
      26 September 2018 10: 22
      That's right, indeed, the ancient coats of arms were once the same "Khazar tamgas" and only over time turned into symbols of the state. But the process of this transformation was evolutionary, in which one can trace how, as the country consolidates and the national state is formed, the former "personal tamga" gradually becomes the emblem of this state. With the trident, such an evolution did not take place, the "tamga" was forgotten for many centuries and suddenly, unexpectedly jumping out "like the devil out of a snuffbox", was declared the state, national symbol of Ukraine.
      1. +1
        26 September 2018 11: 15
        They have a funny attitude towards the princes there. Type - this Ukrainian, but his child - no. And the grandson is again a noble Ukrainian. And his child is an enemy of Ukraine and a Muscovite.
        Do not remember the hysteria during the installation of the monument to Prince Vladimir in Moscow?
        Or stories that the daughter of Prince Yaroslav sent to France suddenly became Ukrainian.
      2. 0
        26 September 2018 14: 40
        And the hammer and sickle on the emblem of the USSR given by the author, of course, have deep historical roots and extensive heraldic traditions?
        1. +3
          26 September 2018 15: 12
          Yes, about the same depth as the state traditions of Ukraine.
        2. Cat
          +5
          26 September 2018 21: 11
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          And the hammer and sickle on the emblem of the USSR given by the author, of course, have deep historical roots and extensive heraldic traditions?

          Andrey is specially for you! In addition to the Soviet Union, another power existed within Europe with symbols of power in the form of a sickle and a hammer. Yes, I'm talking about Austria!





          And pay attention to broken chains! They appeared after the victory over Nazism! More precisely, after the liberation of Austria by the red army!
    3. 0
      26 September 2018 13: 42
      Quote: Kotischa
      In Russia, one Peter I on heraldry "navayal" so much that historians dig, dig and dig!


      And what did he do? It seems that he didn’t immerse himself in heraldry, after him the arms of arms created
      1. Cat
        +3
        26 September 2018 17: 49
        Naval flag, State flag, Shdstandard, Large and small coats of arms, flags and badges of regiments and combat arms, guys, pennants and much more.
        1. Cat
          +1
          26 September 2018 19: 23
          Few images, most of which are attributed to the hand of Peter the Great.

          One of the first standards of Peter I and Ivan V.

          The standard of Peter until 1700.
          In addition, there were many more, a black eagle on a gold background, a golden eagle on a tricolor, the Jerusalem red cross on a white background and more.
          1. Cat
            +1
            26 September 2018 19: 48
            Let's continue!

            Stamp banner of Peter in the Azov campaign.

            Peter's personal standard, by the way, echoes the image of the standard of the President of the Russian Federation.

            The standard of Peter after 1703.
  3. +4
    26 September 2018 18: 22
    Quote: Curious
    . What does history have to do with it?

    And where do you see the story? .26 years of pompous Ukrainian tyranny is history?
  4. 0
    26 September 2018 19: 20
    Some also had "God with us" on the belt buckles, and where are they? Long gone, the last cockroaches were left of them.
    1. Cat
      +2
      26 September 2018 19: 42
      I think it’s worth clarifying that you’re talking about Wehrmacht soldiers!
      Yours!
  5. +1
    27 September 2018 01: 26
    Do you know what their trident on the flag means ?? This is a diving falcon, not a trident, as they believe. Falcons have always been with our Rusich on banners and on shields. This is necessary, Ivanes who do not remember their kinship ((brought such a country to the handle ((
  6. -2
    1 October 2018 12: 28
    Quote: Rocj
    This is a diving falcon, not a trident, as they consider

    Small state emblem
    Diving falcon and the triune of the world .. several theories. Depending on the need.
    The author simultaneously walked along the coat of arms that was not accepted, as if he had already been accepted. After all, it is precisely for this reason that it was not adopted as it was not finalized ...
    However, I am familiar with authorship. He has one line. It's funny that he has one.
  7. 0
    15 November 2018 15: 36
    Well, as it so