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Why take action in the SAR only after the tragedies? Incomplete list of incidents

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The Ministry of Defense, as previously reported, plans to deploy a full-fledged electronic warfare and electronic suppression system in connection with the tragic incident over the eastern Mediterranean. It's about the death of the Russian IL-20. This decision, along with the decision to supply Damascus C-300, was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. And in a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister of Israel, Vladimir Putin stressed that these measures are being taken in connection with the need to increase the security of the Russian military.




In this regard, we can say that initially the military and political leadership of the country was in a state of "smell of violets", believing that the Russian military in Syria, except for the ISIL and Dzhebhat an-Nusra terrorists (* banned in the Russian Federation), no one nothing threatens. Something from the series: "Russia has no enemies and opponents in this world."

But the smell of violets quickly evaporated, forcing to take emergency measures. The problem is that the need for these measures was written in the blood of the dead Russian servicemen.

At first - downed by the Turks Su-24M and Erdogan’s initial harsh statements that “the Turkish Air Force did everything right, since the Su-24M was a trespasser.” It was only then that Erdogan, for obvious reasons, played back and suddenly became a great friend of Russia.

The measures taken are to escort bomber and other aircraft with fighter jets of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syrian airspace. Previously, the need for maintenance for some reason did not reflect.

Then - attack of terrorists either with the help of mortars, or with the help of the UAV (either one or the other) at the Khmeimim air base of the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation in Latakia. The official result - damage to several aircraft. The completion of their repair has not yet been reported.

Measures taken - the means to combat UAVs, including electronic complexes, were transferred to Khmeimim. Also reinforced security around the perimeter of the Russian aviation bases in Latakia. For some reason, they did not think about the need for reliable protection of the approaches to the base before the indicated incidents.

Loss of deck fighters Su-33 and MiG-29K (pilots, thank God, are alive) due to problems with the “landing” equipment on the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser.

Measures taken: "debriefing" in fact problematic arresting equipment. Lack of practical training or lack of proper equipment testing?

Now - situation with IL-20after which it is necessary to take emergency measures again, including the creation of an electronic warfare cap over a part of Syria in connection with the actions of the "partners".

On the one hand, all this is proof that Russia is in Syria seriously and for a long time. On the other hand, there are also questions about whether the initial approach to the operation of military equipment and to contacts with the mentioned "partners" was not too naive. This question could not have been asked if it were not for the casualties among the Russian servicemen in the SAR. And our losses in the SAR this year have become the largest since the beginning of the operation. We draw conclusions - well. We draw conclusions only after the tragedies - bad.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 25 September 2018 10: 36
    +4
    "Why are we taking action in SAR only after the tragedies?"
    Tradition? Type one broken for two non-broken channels. And then ke-ek lace up the berets, yes ke-ek rise from our knees, ke-ek swing your hand-spin the log! But apparently, it hasn’t reached this point yet. Not enough while the pendels got it. We save fighting anger.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 25 September 2018 10: 41
      +5
      Lack of combat experience in the given conditions is likely
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 September 2018 10: 48
        +6
        "Experience is the son of difficult mistakes" (c)
      2. jjj
        jjj 25 September 2018 10: 53
        +4
        The West has worked out the system of the first "disarming" strike under the cover of civilian aircraft, believing that Russia will not shoot down passenger airliners. But in Russia a decision was made ahead of time - after September 11 - that passenger planes would also go astray.
        Physically, Russia can block the sky in the region. But such actions could be recognized as an act of aggression. But now, after the tragedy, Russia's actions can only be seen as a defense. In theory, for prestige it would be necessary to fill up a couple of Israeli aircraft. And, as I think, they specifically climb on the rampage. But, something tells us that we will not bring down either them or the coalition. Our goal is not war. Our goal is to replay them for a long time.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 25 September 2018 11: 05
          +10
          Quote: jjj
          Our goal is to replay them for a long time.

          Sounds scary. So the question asks, and how long will we replay them like this (like with IL-20)?
          1. jjj
            jjj 25 September 2018 11: 09
            0
            A curious thing said Ma from Alibaba - twenty years
          2. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 25 September 2018 11: 32
            +11
            Why is there no understanding that the permissiveness of the Israeli Air Force in Syria has led to the tragedy of IL-20. By and large, the President of the Russian Federation is also responsible when, in his conspiracy with the Israelis, the UNION Syrian and Iranian military personnel are killed, and how the Syrians relate to such treacherous essentially conspiracies of the President of Russia with Israel’s enemies .... These are Israeli lobbyists in the Kremlin for the main ones, it turns out .. The main reason for the tragedy and a significant blow to the air reconnaissance of the aerospace forces in Syria, in the permits of the Israeli Air Force to bomb with impunity in Syria all those who wish, including allied Syrians ......
        2. Detective
          Detective 25 September 2018 12: 19
          +3
          Quote: jjj
          Our goal is to replay them for a long time.

          All this is nothing but a reformatting of Russia's strategy in the Middle East region. The time has come to tighten diplomatic and military-political measures to counter aggression. In another way, the behavior of Israel I can not and do not want to name. Why not before? Because they tried to build relationships based on contractual obligations. Moreover, with all parties except for frank terrorists themselves. Is it bad? This is the normal behavior of a normal state. Not? So you don’t want to? Well, we can do it differently! Why blame the Russian leadership of the Moscow Region for normal behavior. We are not Israel, which, in spite of really good relations, behaved completely inappropriately! For inadequate, of course, C 300. In this regard, I would like to remind Jewish partners that this SAM can not only take control of airspace, but also effectively strike at ground targets. The Israeli Air Force commander flew to Moscow fleetingly not because he was very ashamed, but in order to prevent the C 300 from being delivered to Syria, which was of course predicted. Confidential conversation did not work ...
          And so in the hands of Syria will be (probably already turned out to be) a weapon capable of covering targets in almost half of Israel ... Was this what the Jews sought? Can you predict such idiocy ?! Of course, I won’t say that I had felt warm feelings for this state before, but I definitely thought about their army and leadership much better!
        3. Arberes
          Arberes 25 September 2018 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: jjj
          But, something tells us that we won’t bring down either them or the coalition.


          For the "Syrian" S-300s to boldly work on Israeli aircraft, the "Syrian" complexes - "Iskander" and electronic warfare systems, as they say - a complete package, must be attached to the S-300!
        4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 25 September 2018 14: 34
          -1
          Quote: jjj
          Our goal is to replay them for a long time.

          The only question is whether health is enough, the standard of living in Russia is falling, because of this war including ...
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    3. masterovoy
      masterovoy 25 September 2018 11: 32
      +24
      Over the several decades that I happened to be in military service, I am absolutely sure that more than 80% of accidents, disasters, ambushes, mass deaths of l / s occur through the fault of commanders and chiefs of all levels who are not able to organize a combat, special technical and logistic support of the database. So it was this time, dozens of aircraft were working in the air, and our AN-26 worked without cover. And yet I am absolutely sure never, you hear never believe Jews, Muslims of all currents. I had a case when an Egyptian officer swearing in love and respect for us, whom we pulled "from the other world," began to shoot us in the back, as soon as we began to move towards our own. And the former officers of the SA and present-day Russia, Jews by nationality, having barely moved to their "historical" homeland, began to "crap" on the country in which they were born, grew up, received an education, rather high military ranks ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 September 2018 11: 47
        0
        Why do we take measures in the SAR only after the tragedies?
        because we have: "until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross ..." and "until the rooster bites in the Opu ..." the mentality is such ... we can only hope. what: "we harness it for a long time, but we go fast ...".
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 25 September 2018 12: 11
          0
          instead of men, nobles are needed again?
      2. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 25 September 2018 12: 10
        -2
        IL 20, and how to cover it with its low speed?
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 September 2018 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      "Why are we taking action in SAR only after the tragedies?"
      Tradition? Type one broken for two non-broken channels. And then ke-ek lace up the berets, yes ke-ek rise from our knees, ke-ek swing your hand-spin the log! But apparently, it hasn’t reached this point yet. Not enough while the pendels got it. We save fighting anger.

      About the curvature of the Syrian missiles was clearly and intelligibly shown and told when the Israelis covered the Shell with Syrian crew. This was the first call.
      And the decision about - "to attach our officer with a cudgel to each Syrian crew," this should have been done initially, because the same Vietnam war taught this exactly when our officers were working there on Vietnamese missile crews. But stepping on a rake is our everything.
      But I would ask a few questions to the Iranians. For example, Why the hell did the Persians start placing their mini-factories and warehouses in close proximity to our objects under our umbrella of air defense and missile defense? The Persians, fighting Israel in this way, set us up as well. At the same time, the Jews are accused of the curvature of the Syrians, but not a word about the cunning of the Persians.
      1. tolmachiev51
        tolmachiev51 25 September 2018 18: 52
        +1
        All our "partners" are in a shitty situation. We are hiding behind.
    5. bessonov932
      bessonov932 25 September 2018 20: 39
      0
      Sorry for the guys! Not the first losses in this war, but I somehow take these very personally. Bl "ds already aching teeth.
  2. Irokez
    Irokez 25 September 2018 10: 38
    +3
    We draw conclusions - well. We draw conclusions only after the tragedies - bad.

    Here again, as much as possible about the same thing.
    "If I knew where to fall, I would spread it."
    Conclusions are made always and everywhere and afterwards they will be done many and long and still 100% nothing will be done anywhere and never - this is the law of life because life and reality change all the time, and is not static.
    And life is such that wolves, jackals, snakes, birds, cockroaches and fleas will bite you from all sides and you will never be safe from all of them if you are around them, and if you do not protrude from the mink, then maybe no one except moles and worms won't bite.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 25 September 2018 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Irokez
      and if you don’t stick out of the mink, then yes, except moles and worms, no one will bite you.

      But the matter will end, like that "wise squeaker".
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 25 September 2018 10: 50
        +12
        Quote: Irokez
        "If I knew where to fall, I would spread it."

        It turns out that no one knew and did not expect. All the more strange.

        They didn’t know and didn’t guess that bearded men could attack the military base, because the guard was only along the near perimeter?
        Did not know and did not realize that the helicopters can operate MANPADS?
        Did not know that the problems with the same arresting gear?

        You are going to go out if you see rain and thunder going on the street, I think you are taking an umbrella with you. Vooot ...
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 25 September 2018 11: 11
          0
          Quote: Volodin
          They didn’t know and didn’t guess that bearded men could attack the military base, because the guard was only along the near perimeter?

          The person who asked the question has already partially answered him. Yes, they did not know and did not guess, and no one expected that they would attack from artisanal drones.

          Quote: Volodin
          Did not know and did not realize that the helicopters can operate MANPADS?

          They knew and guessed, but did not know where.


          Quote: Volodin
          Did not know that the problems with the same arresting gear?

          No, they didn’t know, but if they did, then according to your opinion, Kuznetsov would probably not have attached to Syria and lost planes, which means they would save money, which means they would go on building houses for homeless people and so on and so forth.

          If there are prerequisites and the likelihood of rain, then I take an umbrella, but if not, then this is a stupid and thoughtless undertaking to carry an umbrella with me every time.
          Unfortunately, dear, I did not provide for your comment and did not write a ready answer in my first post. Sorry I'm so ill-conceived and mediocrity.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 September 2018 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Irokez
      Here again, as much as possible about the same thing.
      "If I knew where to fall, I would spread it."
      Conclusions are made always and everywhere and afterwards they will be done many and long and still 100% nothing will be done anywhere and never - this is the law of life because life and reality change all the time, and is not static.

      Everything is logical, but it is not clear why the same Turks, Americans and Jews do not have such losses, despite the activity of their Air Force
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 25 September 2018 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Everything is logical, but it is not clear why the same Turks, Americans and Jews do not have such losses, despite the activity of their Air Force

        If I do not understand the answer, they are for one thing. But the Turks are not doing as smoothly as you say if you recall the failed coup, as well as terrorist attacks and Kurds bite (and they are led by the United States). But the United States - Israel all yes - smoothly.
  3. igorka357
    igorka357 25 September 2018 10: 43
    0
    Well then, let's send the entire army of the Russian Federation there, with the whole spectrum of weapons, including strategic ones ... well, just in case! Well, how can you write such articles, because everything is impossible to foresee!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 25 September 2018 10: 56
      +5
      Quote: igorka357
      it is not possible to foresee everything!

      Instead of trying to foresee "everything." The most critical areas are enough - at least the same airbase.

      Was it impossible to foresee that terrorists could attack "Khmeimim"? Was it impossible to foresee that Russian planes could be attacked?

      Well, if so, then no comments
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 25 September 2018 11: 49
        +1
        And can you foresee the invasion of igloid tanks on Khmeimim? Is it possible? Well, then the tank division is needed there! If you cannot imagine it, then without comment Alex!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 25 September 2018 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: igorka357
          the invasion of igiloid tanks on Khmeimim? Is it possible? Well, then the tank division is needed there!


          According to your data, Daish is preparing a tank strike? Well, just like near Kursk. Where did you get such information?
          Attack helicopters and that fact will perfectly cope with a small number of Barmalean (outdated) armored vehicles.
          I dare to assure you that such a technique is present there.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 25 September 2018 10: 45
    +2
    Ready would agree with the author in the lack of forethought of the generals. But it should be recognized that they are all people and changes in the tactics of actions based on incidents, because in order to anticipate and prevent such events in advance, you must be seven spans in the forehead and possess (importantly) initially unlimited resources and powers. And it is inherent in ALL armies of the world and to prevent this only with the help of analytics is not always realistic, sometimes without the experience of war and political vinigret at this time and in this place you can not do. True, ALWAYS ordinary soldiers and officers pay for it with their lives and health, which is a tragedy ..
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 September 2018 10: 50
      0
      It also seems to me that this is a lack of experience in planning large-scale operations. For too long, the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not solved problems of similar scale.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 September 2018 10: 47
    +7
    ... as well as contacts with the mentioned "partners"?
    I agree with the author, they played too much with the "partners" in the obligatory fulfillment of agreements, focusing only on their decency and naively believing that the opposite side will be sure to comply with them. And the word "partners" is high time to be thrown out of the lexicon in Syria in the first place.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 25 September 2018 13: 57
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the word "partners" is high time to be thrown out of the lexicon


      I agree with you, but somehow it relaxes this word.
  6. Yrec
    Yrec 25 September 2018 10: 49
    +9
    Any war is full of negligence and slovenliness. This applies not only to Russia. On the cap they give already after the fact, and so - maybe it will carry. After the Su-24, all the aircraft on the approach were accompanied by the Su-35S, but since no one else attempted to kill, they scored, because it was expensive. Now again the same garbage: they will shout, scare, threaten with "tomatoes", but then they will quietly come to an agreement with Israel. Losing one aircraft in several years of war is still cheaper than fencing an impenetrable electronic warfare / air defense system. Although it sounds extremely cynical. Too many interests in Syria are intertwined, no one wants to start a third world because of her. So the Jews decided to play on this. Most likely, it was a private provocation, as in the case of the Su-24. The ears of the CIA stick out of this, in my opinion. But the Jews are more likely to lose than gain on this. At least an agreement on the withdrawal of the Iranians and Hezbollah from the Israeli border.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 September 2018 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Yrec
      Losing one plane in a few years of the war is still cheaper than building an impenetrable EW / Air Defense system.

      One is not scary, only now we have already lost 8 aircraft and 7 helicopters. Compare with the losses of other participants in this theater
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 September 2018 18: 39
      -1
      Electronic warfare is a protective chimera - made similarly for consolation - "They say we have protection" but in fact 18 aircraft and helicopters were lost.
  7. military pensioner
    military pensioner 25 September 2018 10: 51
    +4
    Our military-political leadership has not developed the practice of working ahead of schedule. We hit only the tails ....
    The only successful operation ahead of the curve is the impending SAA chemical attack. Both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense have worked perfectly.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 25 September 2018 11: 21
      0
      Quote: military pensioner
      The only successful operation ahead of the curve is the impending SAA chemical attack. Both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense have worked perfectly.

      No, not the only one. Assistance to Syria is one of the timely help outstripping until ISIS has entrenched in the world.
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 25 September 2018 11: 04
    +4
    We draw conclusions - well. We draw conclusions only after the tragedies - bad.
    The very first thing from which we must initially proceed is who is Syria to us, if, unambiguously, not an enemy, then a friend (ally), or so ... bomb our allies, and we pretended that this was not our business? Well, why then now be surprised and indignant, as they say, either remove the cross, or put on panties. They strike an ally, they should know that Russia will stand up for him, this is the Luftwaffe, from the Promised Land, this is not the first time that it is hammering in Syria, without a declaration of war, without UN sanction, they wanted to, bombed. Major General Konashenkov voices the latest evidence-accusations, if our air defense complex was leading Israeli vultures, they saw that the F-16 pilot put our Il-20 under attack, why did they not bang this "ace" wise guy? If you climbed into Syria, it is not yours and ours, you are either an ally of Syria, or not a friend, not an enemy, but so ... Until we decide who we are and for whom, so it will be with the "partners", with the overseas " mom ", which does not allow to offend them.
    1. Fox
      Fox 25 September 2018 11: 57
      +6
      we decided, but the "guarantor" has all the partners, so he turns his backside, like bl ... b on a pole.
  9. fif21
    fif21 25 September 2018 11: 11
    0
    Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself. We have such a mentality request
  10. Faceless
    Faceless 25 September 2018 11: 12
    +8
    Very one-sided article. Where is at least one analysis of the preventive measures taken by the Russian Federation in Syria. Of the 5 different cases drawn to each other’s ears, only one is a blatant military miscalculation (terrorist attack on Khmeimin).

    Su-24M - so we went to Syria to fight with terrorists, and not with the regular Turkish army. The terrorists, I remind you - there is no aviation. With the same logic, one can try to envisage a simultaneous declaration of war by any country in the world of the Russian Federation. The argument is not convincing, to say the least.

    Loss of carrier-based Su-33 and MiG-29K fighters - what did they lose due to fire contact? Naturally, as with any mistake, there was a debriefing, which is normal after any aviation incident. or does the author want to say that flights must be disassembled before the incident? If I knew where I fell, I would have laid straws.

    The situation with the IL-20 ... There is generally a special case. Israel and I had many joint events in Syria:

    1. Israelis patrol the borders of the Golan in essence under the protection of the military police of the Russian Federation.
    2. We agreed with Iran to withdraw Iranian formations from the border with Israel.
    3. With our mediation and solely because of our position, a previously captured tank was transferred to Israel.
    4. Exclusively at the request of Israel, we searched for the remains of Israeli soldiers according to the coordinates given in the territory controlled by ISIS (prohibited in the Russian Federation). During this operation, our group was attacked by terrorists. One of our soldiers was injured.
    5. During the spring-summer of 2018, numerous agreements were in force with Israel, which amounted to the fact that it ceases to support militants in exchange for the fact that we are agreeing with Iran. It may be anything like this, but the relatively bloodless liberation of the south (Dar'a and its environs), as well as the areas near El Cuneitra, became possible in its significant part due to such agreements.
    Using similar methods, part of the districts were previously freed.
    6. Israel is the only one with whom, at the very least, there is a hotline on the prevention of incidents in the skies of Syria. How it is used is the second question, but it exists.

    Against this background, is it expected that Israel will destroy our aircraft by its actions, substituting it under Syrian air defense? ..

    I repeat, the article is very one-sided. Since 2015, we are in Syria. The author gives 4 incidents (and those are different in nature) and on this basis he draws a conclusion from particular to general (which is a logical mistake) that we take measures only after incidents.

    And how many operations in Syria have we conducted successfully for the author is unknown? Here and here, I have already cited official statistics of the Ministry of Defense for August 2018 on this subject. There are giant numbers of 5 - 6 digit orders.

    And here the author has 4 different incidents - and everything is bad.

    Such an all-propaganda approach is unprofessional, odious, anti-Russian in essence and deceitful in its foundation (and absolutely consciously). He does not show anything but the bias and the negative attitude of the author to the RF Armed Forces in general and to their actions in the SAR in particular.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 25 September 2018 11: 23
      -4
      Absolutely one-sided comment, the author of which curls snake to justify the miscalculations, many of which led to the death of Russian military personnel. It shows nothing but engagement and a negative attitude towards the dead servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and members of their families. The author of the commentary did not even bother to understand that the material contains several specific examples of miscalculations that could have been avoided. And in addition, the author did not bother to get acquainted with the materials, which tells about the success of Russian troops in Syria.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 25 September 2018 11: 37
        0
        Dear do not contradict life. Namely: - "There is nothing perfect in life." You are an idealist - come down to earth.
        In the normal case, 50 to 50, and at best if on our side more than 50% of successes than defeats.
        And do not believe anyone if they say that everything is smooth for others and everything is calculated, I can confidently tell you - "LIE" or "DO NOT SPEAK".
      2. Faceless
        Faceless 25 September 2018 11: 39
        +5
        Quote: Volodin
        Absolutely one-sided comment, the author of which curls snake to justify the miscalculations, many of which led to the death of Russian military personnel. It shows nothing but engagement and a negative attitude towards the dead servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and members of their families. The author of the commentary did not even bother to understand that the material contains several specific examples of miscalculations that could have been avoided. And in addition, the author did not bother to get acquainted with the materials, which tells about the success of Russian troops in Syria.



        I didn’t want to write comments in one, as a lot of work was done. at the request of workers. All information is taken from the official website of the Ministry of Defense http://mil.ru/

        Data at the end of August 2018

        During the operation in Syria, the Russian Air Force completed a total of 39 thousand sorties, including more than 20 thousand at night. During the active phases of the operation, the intensity of the use of military aircraft reached more than 100 sorties per day. Each plane made 3-4 departures daily. The maximum number of sorties per day - 139 - was completed on November 20, 2015.

        The Russian Navy completed 189 military campaigns, in which 86 ships, 14 submarines and 83 vessels took part.

        TAVKR pilots completed 420 sorties, including 117 at night, and 1252 terrorist targets were destroyed.

        Russian UAVs flew more than 25 thousand sorties, they opened 47522 enemy targets. Up to 70 UAVs "Forpost" and "Orlan-10" were flying in Syria every day.

        The terrorists' targets were hit by 100 strikes with sea-based Kalibr cruise missiles and 66 strikes with air-launched cruise missiles.

        Tu-22M3 bombers completed 369 sorties, 47 group strikes, 215 objects destroyed.

        As a result of air strikes and cruise missiles, 121466 terrorist targets were destroyed, including 970 field camps, 20513 strong points, 9941 ammunition and fuel and lubricants depot, 649 tanks, 731 infantry fighting vehicles, 8927 anti-aircraft vehicles. 830 leaders of the gangs, more than 86 thousand militants, including more than 4500 immigrants from Russia and the CIS countries, were eliminated.

        In order to ensure the activities of the force grouping in Syria, 424 flights were carried out by sea and 2785 flights by air. In the course of which 3250 people were transported by sea, 4501 weapons and military equipment, 1559000 tons of cargo, 91285 people were transported by air, more than 1000 weapons and military equipment, 55846 tons of cargo. Every day, an average of 2000 tons of various cargoes were delivered from Russia to Syria by air and sea.

        Using parachute platforms, 6077 tons of food were delivered.

        The restoration of 4710 weapons and military equipment of the Syrian government forces was organized, more than 1100 tons of armored equipment were transferred.

        Now about the sad, about the losses.

        During the operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria, which began on September 30, 2015, the Russian Armed Forces (AF) lost 14 aircraft on the territory of this country in various circumstances (taking into account the incident on September 17, 2018). For comparison, in the first Chechen campaign (1994-1996), about 40 aircraft and helicopters of the Russian Air Force, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Border Guard Service, etc. were lost, in the second (1999-2007) - about 70, in the operation to force Georgia to peace (2008 year) - eight. Of the 14 aircraft lost in Syria, two transport and four attack helicopters, two Su-24M bombers, a Su-25 attack aircraft and An-26 transport aircraft, two carrier-based fighters from the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier (MiG-29K and Su-33) , one Su-30SM fighter (presumably related to the naval aviation of the Navy) and one Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 25 September 2018 11: 52
          +4
          Well, everything is written where there is something to compare and separate cutlets from flies. A complete and balanced approach to the results of work in Syria. 5+
          I can’t foresee anything, but I’m afraid that there will be more minus signers here than plus signers because your post is like a bone in the throat to all the wearers.
      3. Faceless
        Faceless 25 September 2018 11: 42
        +1
        Comrade Volodin Aleksey, whose comment I quoted at the beginning, alas, was not able to substantiate his arguments with anything concrete but an amateurish approach. In my previous commentary, the shortcomings of the article are evaluated and its gaps are filled. such an obvious truth, apparently, is not accessible to everyone.

        Given the fact that Volodin, apparently, is also the author of the article, I can add to the review. I would be ashamed in his place to write this, showing my own unprofessionalism for all to see.

        Requirements for comments and for an article are different. The article should disclose the problem, highlight the key points, the article, if it claims to be "news", should contain a complete analysis of the situation and, if there is a personal assessment of the news - at least indicate the possibility of other approaches, of which there are many.
        None of this is observed in this opus.

        Moreover, taking into account the juggling of facts, the article forms an erroneous and incorrect view of the reader about the actions of our Armed Forces in the SAR, which gives a whole galaxy of food for thought regarding the true goals of the author when writing the article.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 25 September 2018 11: 53
          0
          M-yes. Faceless is faceless. Neither subtract nor add. Comrade Faceless in Russian explained what this material was about, but Comrade Faceless, apparently, this explanation is not available in Russian, and therefore continues to curl, justifying frank miscalculations, avoiding which could save dozens of lives of our soldiers.

          Quote: Faceless
          galaxy of food

          5 points
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  12. Conductor
    Conductor 25 September 2018 11: 24
    -1
    And the analytics of those of ours, generals, from the word anal?
  13. Conductor
    Conductor 25 September 2018 11: 26
    +2
    wars and conflicts from 1938-39. 1941. 1956. 1968. 1969. 1980-89, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, did not learn?
    1. Comrade Beria
      Comrade Beria 25 September 2018 12: 35
      0
      “History does not teach anything, but only punishes for ignorance of the lessons” Vasily Klyuchevsky.

      Alas.
  14. Our Business Right
    Our Business Right 25 September 2018 11: 33
    +2
    "Why are we taking action in SAR only after the tragedies?"
    I think because of the short-sighted leadership policy.
    Leaders must act like chess players, think a few steps forward.
    If they can’t think for themselves, let the experts think for them.
  15. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 September 2018 11: 49
    0
    It seems to me that we make such mistakes all the time. And history does not teach us anything. Banal headache and maybe ..
  16. Lycan
    Lycan 25 September 2018 11: 54
    0
    "Why are we taking action in SAR only after the tragedies?"

    Because in the mind at many Heads we have - fried rooster and bail. Type:
    - the smartest advise here?
    - there will be a task - you will realize your inventions,
    - and so it will come down - not to shoot from him (her),
    - solving problems as they occur (as he backs up - turn on his head, but not earlier),
    - from the triangle of preferences (where usually 2 out of 3 are feasible)
    = cheap (within budget) -
    = fast (on time from the ceiling) -
    = qualitatively (thoughtfully + to the conscience) (C)
    sinking in "quality" is usually punished later than others and collectively (that is, a big-eyed shout at those who are already busy with other things and listen, drooping their heads and waiting for a lunch break).
  17. Professor
    Professor 25 September 2018 11: 56
    -1
    First, the Su-24M shot down by the Turks and Erdogan’s initial harsh statements that "the Turkish Air Force did everything right, since the Su-24M was an intruder." It was only then that Erdogan, for well-known reasons, played back and suddenly became a great friend of Russia.

    Erdogan did not win back and did not even ask for forgiveness.

    The measures taken are to escort bomber and other aircraft with fighter jets of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syrian airspace. Previously, the need for maintenance for some reason did not reflect.

    Measures taken - Do not fly into Turkish territory.

    Then - the attack of terrorists, whether with the help of mortars, or with the help of UAVs (or one or the other) at the air base of the Russian Air Force “Khmeimim” in Latakia. The official result is damage to several aircraft. The completion of their repair has not yet been reported.

    Measures Taken - the means to combat UAVs, including radio-electronic complexes, are transferred to Khmeymim. Also, the security along the perimeter of the Russian air base in Latakia was strengthened. For some reason, they did not even think about the need for reliable security of the approaches to the base until the incidents mentioned.

    The measures taken are concrete shelters.

    The loss of the Su-33 and MiG-29K carrier-based fighters (pilots, thank God, are alive) due to problems with the landing equipment on the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser.

    Measures taken - sending the aircraft carrier for modernization.

    Now - the situation with the Il-20, after which it is again necessary to take emergency measures, including the creation of an electronic warfare cap over part of Syria in connection with the actions of the "partners".

    Taken measures - Equipping command posts of the Syrian formations and military units of air defense with automated control systems, which are delivered only to the Russian Armed Forces. This will ensure centralized management of all Syrian air defense forces and assets, monitoring of the air situation and the prompt issuance of target designations. “Most importantly, the identification of all Russian aircraft with Syrian air defense systems will be guaranteed.” The fact that according to the statements of Russian generals has long been done.
    1. Faceless
      Faceless 25 September 2018 16: 06
      +2
      Dear professor, usually your comments, although not welcomed by a significant part of the readers, are not superficial, therefore, I try to emphasize information that you apparently did not take into account.

      Firstly, Turkey made an official apology, moreover, it offered compensation to the pilot's family (a good separate house in Turkey + land under it). It’s another matter that the pilot’s family flatly refused to accept compensation, but this is a different matter.

      Secondly, we have not flown to Turkish territory before. No evidence has been presented by anyone from the objective control tools of either the Russian Federation or the world community. The opuses of illiterate and corrupt journalists are not objective controls.

      Thirdly, the Tavkr incident here is generally not even appropriate as an example. He is from another opera. This could happen anywhere and from anyone. The measures have indeed been taken, they are based on the analysis of incidents, but these measures have nothing to do with modernization.

      Fourthly, it’s too early to talk about an exhaustive set of measures following the tragedy with IL-20. Last but not least, they depend on the behavior of Israel. At the same time, it is categorically incorrect to prioritize the problem of identification. The Syrians did not confuse the goal. This Israeli plane, saving itself, did everything possible to get away from the rocket, at least at the cost of losing our side.

      The main question: why did Israel lie, warning about attacks in the north of Syria, while striking in the west, because it was our plane that urgently flew to the west from the north? and secondly, why did the Israeli pilot deliberately launch an attack, seeing our IL in front of him, well aware that he could be shot down by the response of air defense?

      With any answers to these two questions, the guilt of Israel is obvious. And the longer he denies it, the harder the answer. R.T. Erdogan was enough for more than 7 months. Is Israel Enough?
      1. Professor
        Professor 25 September 2018 16: 56
        -4
        Quote: Faceless
        Firstly, Turkey made an official apology, moreover, it offered compensation to the pilot's family (a good separate house in Turkey + land under it). It’s another matter that the pilot’s family flatly refused to accept compensation, but this is a different matter.

        Of course not. The information about Turkey’s apology in your media was denied by Ankara. Compensation does not mean anything at all. We also paid compensation to Turkey, expressing regret over the death of its citizens, but NEVER apologizing.

        Quote: Faceless
        Secondly, we have not flown to Turkish territory before. No evidence has been presented by anyone from the objective control tools of either the Russian Federation or the world community. The opuses of illiterate and corrupt journalists are not objective controls.

        Of course flew. And your drones there fell were documented and your plane hooked on Turkish territory. However, the lesson you have learned. There were no more violations of Turkish airspace.

        Quote: Faceless
        Thirdly, the Tavkr incident here is generally not even appropriate as an example. He is from another opera. This could happen anywhere and from anyone. The measures have indeed been taken, they are based on the analysis of incidents, but these measures have nothing to do with modernization.

        Complaints about the mention of the ship to the author. However, it was necessary to modernize BEFORE going to Syria and not to disgrace the whole world. This I as the officer of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet I declare.

        Quote: Faceless
        Fourthly, it’s too early to talk about an exhaustive set of measures following the tragedy with IL-20. Last but not least, they depend on the behavior of Israel. At the same time, it is categorically incorrect to prioritize the problem of identification. The Syrians did not confuse the goal. This Israeli plane, saving itself, did everything possible to get away from the rocket, at least at the cost of losing our side.

        The Israeli plane was already "saving itself" on Israeli territory at the time when your allies shot down your board with your missile. The docks have been rearranged to your MO. In addition to lies and cartoons, we heard nothing in response.

        Quote: Faceless
        The main question: why did Israel lie, warning about attacks in the north of Syria, while striking in the west, because it was our plane that urgently flew to the west from the north?

        And to show you a map where the attack area is located in 2 tens of kilometers from the NORTHERN border of Syria? In addition, the S-400s, which have no analogues in the world, have been piloting our aircraft since their takeoff. Is not it? And why should our board break away from the four and "probably" (the words of your general) attack something when all the targets have already been destroyed and the Syrians began to fire from all barrels? We bombed and got out of harm's way. Moreover, once we have already lost a side from the S-200.
        Ask Shoigu which dispatcher led your board to the line of fire between the Syrian air defenses and, as your Defense Ministry claims, "four F-16s in the area of ​​their combat duty."

        Quote: Faceless
        and secondly, why did the Israeli pilot deliberately launch an attack, seeing our IL in front of him, well aware that he could be shot down in response to air defense?

        Tired of discussing this nonsense. Show you again the map of your same MO where there is no separate attack on our plane? Her yours came up with 3 days.

        Lies your MO. And at every step. Show on the map 140 (hundred kilometers) km from the Golan Heights on which heavy weapons were supposedly assigned if the Golan (or whatever it is in Arabic) to Damascus is only 40 kilometers away. Is Damascus now a demilitarized zone? fool

        Quote: Faceless
        RT Erdogan was enough for 7 with a few months. Is Israel Enough?

        To infinity. Israel and the scoop have not had diplomatic relations for decades. The latter in every possible way mischiefed us, trained terrorists on his territory, financed them, armed our enemies and fought against us himself. Result: we are here, and from someone there are only traces of past greatness. Think about it before threatening us.

        PS
        Hurry up to read my comment. I will soon be banned here, and I, in turn, will stop visiting this site. . hi
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 25 September 2018 11: 57
    +2
    On the other hand, questions also arise as to whether the initial approach to both the exploitation of military equipment and contacts with the mentioned "partners" was not too naive?
    This is not naivety - naivety, when a person starting at the age of 1 begins to learn the world .... What the author wants to say about in the article is called differently - heedlessness, and gouging, bordering on crime, because it is about the safety of people! sad
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 September 2018 13: 06
      0
      As they say - smart people learn from the mistakes of others, they are only fools of their own and that is not always the way!
  19. Roman070280
    Roman070280 25 September 2018 12: 09
    +3
    Why did you decide that only after the tragedy ??
    Here is a partial list of news ..
    Russia tightly closed the sky over Syria for any aircraft, except its 3-10-2015
    "In the military circles of the American contingent in Turkey, it was reported that NATO aircraft attempting to approach the Russian forces at a close distance were illuminated by radars, while the source of the light could not even be identified.

    “The Russians made it clear that they see everything, and it’s not worth going any closer, otherwise they will knock us down,” the American military said.

    “To be honest, we were surprised by the Russian air defense systems, most likely there are the latest S-400 systems. I have no more ideas, ”Colonel Jack Jacobs said.


    Russian S-300 closed the sky of Syria from American cruise missiles October 7, 2016
    "Considering that our equipment is located there, a videoconferencing operation is being carried out there, no one understands where the rocket will fly," said Maria Zakharova. "This is where the S-300 complex is located."


    RUSSIA HIDED SKY IN SYRIA FOR US AIRCRAFT AND THEIR ALLIES 23.03.2018
    “The cessation of flights will continue until urgently needed, they say.

    This is due to the fact that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has supplied additional S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems and electronic warfare systems in Syria. In this regard, all unauthorized flights are now unsafe, and primarily for the Western coalition. "


    Putin "closes the Syrian sky" almost more often than "withdraws troops" from Syria .. But things are still there ..
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 September 2018 13: 09
      0
      Very true, by the way. And every time the local jingoistic patriots, enthusiastically promise to finally show the foe "Kuzkin's mother"
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 25 September 2018 12: 16
    0
    Faceless (Faceless) Today, 11:12 AM NEW
    +2
    Very one-sided article.

    Su-24M - so we went to Syria to fight with terrorists, and not with the regular Turkish army
    And bad! This is an unprofessional approach! The armed forces, or a group of forces located abroad should have the entire arsenal of means for conducting military operations against any enemy - terrorists, illegal armed groups, or the regular army of the enemy. soldier
  21. Berkut24
    Berkut24 25 September 2018 12: 28
    +3
    In vain the author is so. The Syrian conflict is not so much a military event as a political one. A kind of chess game where every step is taken after the opponent’s move. You can not put Turkey as the holder of the straits and a member of NATO in the mollusk position until it gives a significant reason. And you cannot put Israel in the same position as the main ally of the United States until there are good reasons for this.
    And the moves are made literate, I think that calculated options are always on the table of strategists. When the Americans entered Syria with their bases, they declared that they would destroy IS and Alkaida. Now the head of the Pentagon said that in Syria they are in opposition to Russia, and the militants are not interested in them. Turkey on the move changes its position and purchases the S-400 from Russia, Israel is forced to abandon the support of militants. HOW could Russia have been able to play this way so that after an unconvincing war with the Georgians, it would put the whole Middle East on its ears without a direct large-scale clash with enemies?
  22. Comrade Beria
    Comrade Beria 25 September 2018 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Erdogan did not win back and did not even ask for forgiveness.

    What do you say? Which is impudent. :)
    MOSCOW, June 27. (2016) / TASS /. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a message to Russian President Vladimir Putin apologized for the Russian Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force in November last year in Syria.

    This was first reported to journalists by the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov, then excerpts from a letter from the Turkish leader were published on the Kremlin website.
  23. Flatter
    Flatter 25 September 2018 13: 23
    +1
    "Russia has no politics, it has a reaction to change" -B Obama.
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  25. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 25 September 2018 13: 41
    0
    I do not think that the Russian military is naive, because they have a good professional education and rich experience of fathers and grandfathers. Maybe this is a feature of the Russian mentality - until the cancer on the mountain whistles, the man does not cross himself.
  26. Sergz
    Sergz 25 September 2018 13: 48
    +2
    Why do we take measures in the SAR only after the tragedies?

    And this is our strategy and tactics: first, substitute “in full”, and only then, with enthusiasm, play the “answer”.

    I want to remind the doubters of the entire chronicle of events in Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the beginning of the 90s and up to 08.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX. As soon as the Georgians over the years did not scoff at our peacekeepers who were there, who were not just not given the authority to intervene, they were even forbidden to defend themselves. The result is known, and there, too, if someone forgot, it could not do without our blood. There are plenty of other examples, you yourself can remember if you wish.

    Now (again, as if in response), the SAR has taken absolutely unprecedented measures. For the first time, military equipment without the letter “E” will be handed over to another country, with our “friend / foe” identification system “built in” into it and unaccompanied (as in export versions) TTX. I think that what has been said will be true not only for the integration and fire control stations, but also for the S300 divisions themselves, moreover, the transfer of the C300B4 system to the Syrians, especially for deployment in the southwestern part of the country, would look quite logical in this light.

    If this is so, then all of our sworn “partners” will soon have a unique opportunity to test the Russian “combat” systems in combat conditions and in their own skin. wink
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 September 2018 14: 01
    -1
    Quote: Flatter
    "Russia has no politics, it has a reaction to change" -B Obama.

    Guessed, damned .. was always smart. (from)
  28. tank64rus
    tank64rus 25 September 2018 15: 47
    0
    Because Russia should have only two allies, the Army and the Navy. and even if the kids of our "elite" will receive andrenaline without driving around Moscow at night, and fighting in Syria, everything will quickly fall into place
  29. earloop
    earloop 25 September 2018 16: 49
    0
    Those who are considered "partners" need to understand that this category does not apply to either "relatives" or "friends". Partners exist at the card table who, after the game, can become bitter enemies. And politics is in many ways similar to a card game, therefore, sitting down at the card table, modern and high-quality "pistol or stiletto in your pocket" will not interfere with politics. Moreover, such a "toy" as the S-300 (400,500 ,,,,).
  30. senima56
    senima56 25 September 2018 17: 38
    +1
    Why?! Because we have always been famous for "hindsight"! And also "fried cockerel", which will not bite in one place yet ...
  31. Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 September 2018 18: 34
    -1
    Because the leadership of the operation in Syria, to put it mildly, "managed" in the organization of such operations, the aircraft are also good - half of the planes and helicopters were lost because of their jambs.
  32. Compasure
    Compasure 25 September 2018 20: 39
    0
    Russia has never and never had partner allies. Our rulers forgot the words of Emperor Alexander III that Russia can have only two allies - the army and navy!
  33. Waldemar
    Waldemar 25 September 2018 21: 57
    +1
    Incidents are not unique to us. But combat losses are another matter, and in the face of the risk of a hot war with a collective West. In terms of marasmus, I will give an abstract topic - in the country of happiness and the correct economy of the United States, at the moment, there are TENS OF OPERATING WOODEN RAILWAY BRIDGES. WOODEN !!! FROM WOOD! RAILWAY BRIDGES !! And they are constantly crumbling. Fine? It's about "devastation", "mess" and everything was gone. And Israel is under the wing of the United States of England. I would have given the command long ago to launch a missile strike on the entire military and industrial infrastructure of Israel in order to wipe out all the hangars of the runway military factories from the face of the earth and do not care how many minks get charred there. They, like people, are not worth a penny. No iron or cast iron domes will help. But bad luck, this is a slightly real war. Russia is not an insolent filthy Israel hiding behind NATO's backs