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1993. Black Autumn "White House". From notes of a Muscovite (part of 2)

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"On Ostankino!"


When it seemed that there was no reason to expect a successful outcome, the day of October came on 3. I do not remember how I learned that the opponents of the president, who had gathered on Smolenskaya Square, two kilometers from the White House, dispersed the fighters of the internal troops, who blocked their path to parliament. It seemed incredible. I jumped out of the house and was stunned: the police and the troops seemed to have dissolved in the air at the wave of a magic wand.

Thousands of jubilant crowds flocked freely along the streets to the building of the Supreme Council. The breakthrough of the blockade, which yesterday seemed unthinkable, became a reality. I regretted having forgotten the camera, but did not want to go back. Perhaps it saved my life: in the coming hours, almost everyone who shot what was happening on camera: Russians and foreigners, cameramen and photographers, professional journalists and amateurs, were killed or seriously injured.

A group of armed men, led by General Albert Makashov, rushed to the mayor's office, located in the "book" of the former CMEA building. Shots rang out. People began to hide behind parked cars. However, the shootout was short-lived. A satisfied Makashov came out of the mayor’s office, who solemnly announced that “from now on, there will be no mayors, peers or heres in our land.”

1993. Black Autumn "White House". From notes of a Muscovite (part of 2)


And on the square in front of the “White House” a rally of thousands of people was already raging. The speakers congratulated the audience on the victory. All around, like mad, shouted one phrase: "On Ostankino!" Television lies are so fed up with supporters of parliament that, it seems, at that moment no one doubted the need to immediately capture the television center and go on the air with a message about the events at the White House. .

A group began to form for a raid on Ostankino. I found myself near the buses for the transport of fighters of internal troops, abandoned near the building of the Supreme Soviet, and without much hesitation sat in one of them. From the “crew” of our bus, the author of these lines, who was not yet thirty, was the “oldest”: the rest of the passengers were 22-25 years. There was no one in camouflage, ordinary young students of a student type. Absolutely remember that in our bus there was no weapons. In those moments it seemed quite natural: after breaking the blockade, it seemed that all other goals would be achieved in the same wonderful bloodless way.

Our convoy turned out to be about a dozen pieces of equipment - buses and covered military trucks. Having traveled to Novoarbatsky Avenue, we found ourselves in the middle of a sea of ​​people enveloped in delight, which accompanied us several kilometers from the White House along the Garden Ring to Mayakovsky Square. (Then the crowd was less frequent, and it completely dispersed to Samotek.) I think that during those hours at least two hundred thousand citizens came to the Moscow central highways free from transport. Needless to say, the appearance of a column moving on Ostankino caused a rush of triumph. The impression was that we were not driving on the asphalt of Moscow streets, but were sailing on the waves of universal celebration. Was the shame of Yeltsin’s government over, gone, vanished, like an obsession, like a bad dream ?!

Euphoria played a cruel joke with supporters of the Supreme Council. As many of the interlocutors later admitted to me, on October 3 they went home in full confidence that the work was done. As a result, no more 200 people arrived at Ostankino, and of these, about 20 were armed. Then the number of “assailants” increased: it seems that “our” buses managed to make another flight to the White House and back to Ostankino; someone arrived on their own, someone on public transport — but all these were unarmed people, like me, doomed to the role of extras.



Meanwhile, the leaders of the “assault” demanded that they be given airtime. They were promised something, meaningless negotiations began, precious minutes were lost, and with them the chances of success eluded. Finally, from words to business. However, the matter was both conceived and executed very badly. Militants from among supporters of the Supreme Council decided to “storm” the ASK-3 studio complex. This is a “glass”, built for the Olympics-80, which was not difficult to penetrate, given the huge perimeter of the building, which is clearly not adapted to repel attacks.

However, a disastrous decision was made to attack head-on - through the main entrance. Meanwhile, the main hall of the ASK-3 consists of two tiers, with the upper semicircle hanging over the ground floor, it is bordered by a concrete parapet, decorated with marble tiles. (In any case, it was in those times.) The ideal position for defense is that one who penetrates through the main entrance and immediately goes into crossfire, while the defenders are practically invulnerable. Makashov could not have known this, but the former TV man Anpilov was well aware.

Makashov decided to repeat the trick that had worked in the former CMEA building: they tried to ram the doors of the main entrance of the studio complex with a truck, but he was stuck under the visor covering the entrance. The chances of success are even theoretically reduced to zero. I still do not leave the feeling that if the head of supporters of the Supreme Council were not a cabinet strategist and tribunal chrysostom Makashov, but a commander-paratrooper, the situation could have developed according to a different scenario. Even taking into account all currently known circumstances.



At that moment there was an explosion inside the building. Following from the studio complex, there were automatic gunfire, mowing people who were outside. Later it will be known that the special forces soldier Sitnikov was killed in that explosion. Pro-presidential forces immediately laid the blame for his death on supporters of parliament, who allegedly used a grenade launcher. However, the State Duma Commission, which was investigating the events of October 93, concluded that at the time of the explosion Sitnikov was lying behind a concrete parapet, and getting into it when fired by the attackers was excluded. However, the mysterious explosion was a pretext to open fire on supporters of the Supreme Council.

It got dark. Increasingly, the gunfire rang out. Appeared the first victims among civilians. And here again I came across Anpilov, who was muttering something encouraging, like, “Yes, they are shooting ... And what did you want? To be met with flowers here? ”It became clear that the march on Ostankino ended in complete failure, and then the White House was inevitably falling.

... I headed towards the nearest metro station ENEA. Passengers were taken aback at the boys entering the wagon with shields and rubber truncheons - they picked up this ammunition from the White House abandoned by the special forces and were in no hurry to part with the "trophies." The perplexity of the subway passengers was easily explained. This Sunday evening, people were returning from the countryside from their garden plots, harvesting and taking out the crop, not even knowing that at that time unarmed citizens were being shot in the streets of Moscow. Until now, I haven’t decided for myself what it is: the shameful indifference of the people is to dig up potatoes at the time when the fate of the country is being decided, or, on the contrary, its greatest wisdom. Or this episode is not a reason to think about such lofty matters ...

Anatomy of provocation

Now, after years, it is possible to judge with confidence what scenario took place in Moscow during these autumn days of 1993. By the end of September, it became obvious to Yeltsin’s entourage that it would not be possible to solve the “problem” of the Supreme Soviet without a lot of blood. But to give a follow-up to the force option for the time being lacked spirit. Moreover, there was no certainty how the security forces would behave when they received such an order. It is difficult to say for whom time worked in that situation: on the one hand, the noose around the neck of the parliament tightened all the more tightly, on the other - the moral authority of the Supreme Council and the sympathy of society towards its supporters grew every day. The information blockade could not be hermetic: the further, the more Russians learned the truth about the events in Moscow.



This wobbly balance was unwittingly broken by the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Alexy II. Driven by the best of intentions, the patriarch offered his mediation services for the negotiations that took place on October 1. It was impossible to refuse Alexis's proposal, but consent to negotiations implied readiness for compromises. They, in fact, were achieved: they restored communication in the White House, resumed the power supply. Also, the parties signed a protocol on the phased "removal of the sharpness of confrontation."

However, for Yeltsin’s entourage, such a scenario was unacceptable: they started a “phased constitutional reform” for the complete elimination of parliament, and not for the search for points of contact. Yeltsin had to act, and act immediately. Meanwhile, after the intervention of the patriarch, the forceful seizure of the White House became impossible: “reputational costs” were too great. It means that the blame for the violation of the truce should have fallen to the Supreme Soviet.

The following scenario was selected. The leader of the movement "Labor Russia" Viktor Anpilov, who in this episode (it seems that quite consciously) played the role of provocateur, convened a regular rally of supporters of parliament. Having waited until the number of the rally crowd reaches an impressive size, Anpilov suddenly urged those gathered to go for a breakthrough. As Anpilov himself said, the old women who responded to his cry began to throw themselves into the cordon with what they came hand in hand, after which the soldiers rushed scatteringly, dropping shields and batons. This stampede and the sudden disappearance of several thousand soldiers and police officers stationed around parliament were undoubtedly part of a well-thought-out plan.

Such a rapid change in the situation disoriented opposition leaders: they simply could not imagine what to do with this freedom that suddenly fell upon them. For them, others have thought. Alexander Rutskoi argued that, urging him to go to Ostankino, he only repeated what was said around him; I believe his words can be trusted. It was enough for a pair of shrill voices, so that this cry, having found a response in the hearts of those gathered at the White House, responded a thousandfold. And here, by the way, buses and trucks with ignition keys carefully left were useful.


With a gun, Vice President Rutskoi felt much more confident than in negotiations.

And now let's see what “Ostankino assault” meant in tactical terms. In the Presny area there are about two hundred thousand supporters of the Supreme Council. Two and a half kilometers from the White House there is a complex of buildings of the Ministry of Defense, in three - the residence of the president in the Kremlin, and four and a half kilometers - the building of the Russian government. At most an hour, and the two hundred thousandth crowd, moving on foot, will reach the farthest point of this route, and even surely new people will join it on the way.

To cope with this avalanche, even unarmed, is extremely difficult. Instead, attention shifts to distant Ostankino, where 20 armed rebels reach, half of the city, some of whom don’t even have any idea how to handle weapons. In parallel with the column from the “White House”, special forces of the Interior Ministry “Vityaz” advanced to Ostankino. This is a hundred armed professionals. In total, on that day, the television station was guarded by 1200 representatives of various security forces.

Now Yeltsin had his hands untied. On the morning of October 4, he spoke on the radio (the main TV channels had stopped broadcasting the night before), stating that supporters of the parliament "raised a hand on the elderly and children." It was an obvious lie. That evening, several dozen supporters of the Supreme Soviet were killed and wounded near Ostankino. On the opposite side, in addition to the aforementioned commando Sitnikov, an employee of the television center Krasilnikov was killed. Meanwhile, according to the results of the examination and the testimony of witnesses, the shot that struck Krasilnikov was made from inside the building, which, I remind, was guarded by the soldiers of the internal troops and the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

It is clear that the presidential side needed not the truth, but a reason to start a military operation. But still, Yeltsin’s morning statement sounded somehow very strange - not as improvisation, but as part of a piece that, for some reason, was not implemented, but went into action under different circumstances. What was the preparation, it became clear a little later, when snipers appeared in Moscow, the victims of which were passers-by. The author was a witness to their “work” on the New Arbat in the afternoon of October 4. I had to move by rushes through the lanes in order not to fall under their fire.

And here we need to remember another strange statement. In the evening of October 3, Yegor Gaidar called on supporters of “democracy” to come to the residence of the mayor of Tverskaya, 13, which allegedly needs protection from the upcoming Khasbulatists attack. The statement is completely absurd: no one even thought about Yuri Luzhkov’s headquarters during the day, much less remembered about this “object” when Ostankino had events at its height. But even if there was at least some real background under this threat, why did it take to cover the mayor's office with a living shield from Muscovites, when by that time the siloviki had already taken control of the situation in central Moscow?

What is behind the call of Gaidar: confusion, fright, inadequate assessment of the situation? I believe that sober calculation. Yeltsinists were collected from the city government building not for the sake of mythical protection, but as suitable targets, cannon fodder. It was in the evening of 3 that snipers had to work on Tverskaya, and then in the morning Yeltsin received reason to accuse the rebels of raising their hand to "the old men and children."



Official propaganda indicated that snipers (of which, of course, no one was arrested) had arrived to defend the Supreme Council from Transnistria. But in the afternoon of October 4 sniper fire on the Muscovites could not help the supporters of the parliament - either in the military or in the information, in any other respect. But the damage - very much so. Yes, and Transnistrian plavni is not the best place to gain experience for the conduct of hostilities in the metropolis.

Meanwhile, Tverskaya (as well as New Arbat) refers to a special route, where every adjacent house, its entrances, attics, roofs, are well known to specialists of the competent authorities. The media repeatedly passed information that at the end of September, the head of the Yeltsin guard, General Korzhakov, met at the airport a mysterious sports delegation from Israel. Perhaps these "athletes" and took combat positions on the roofs of buildings on the evening of Tver 3 October. But something did not grow together.

I must say that the Yeltsinists that day did not grow much. And it was inevitable. The overall plan of the provocation was clear, but there was little time to prepare, coordinate and coordinate actions. In addition, the service involved various agencies, whose leaders played their games and tried, taking advantage of the situation, to bargain for personal additional bonuses. In this setting, the linings were predictable. And they had to pay for them to ordinary police and military personnel.

Quite a lot has been said about exchanges of fire between pro-government forces in the Ostankino area and their victims. I will tell about an episode unknown to a wide audience.

A few days after the October tragedy, I had a chance to talk with the fire brigade of the television center who were on duty on that fateful night. According to them (the sincerity of which hardly makes sense to doubt) in the underground passage between ASK-3 and the main building of Ostankino they saw pools of blood. Since both complexes were occupied by troops loyal to Yeltsin, this was obviously the next result of a crazy exchange of fire between their own.

The denouement of the tragedy was drawing near. Yeltsin introduced a state of emergency in Moscow. On the morning of October 4, on the bridge across the Moskva River across from the White House appeared Tanksthat began to shell the main facade of the building. The leaders of the operation claimed that the firing was carried out by blank charges. However, an examination of the premises of the White House after the attack showed that, in addition to the usual blanks, they fired cumulative charges, which in some rooms burned everything together with the people there.



The killings continued after the resistance of the defenders was broken. According to the written testimony of a former employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the security forces who broke into the “White House” staged a massacre of the defenders of parliament: they slaughtered, finished off the wounded, raped women. Many were shot or beaten to death after they left the parliament building.

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According to the findings of the State Duma Commission, in Moscow during the 21 events of September - 5 of October 1993, years were killed or died from their injuries around 200 and were injured or other injuries of varying severity of almost 1000 people. According to unofficial data, the death toll is at least 1500 people.

Instead of an epilogue



Opponents of the presidential course were defeated. However, the bloody autumn of 93 remained the dominant factor in the political life of Russia throughout Yeltsin’s rule. For the opposition, it became a point of moral support, for the power, a shameful stigma that could not be laundered. Pro-presidential forces felt short-lived winners: in December of the same 1993 of the year, they suffered a crushing fiasco in the elections to the new legislative body - the State Duma.

In the 1996 year at the presidential election, at the cost of unprecedented informational pressure and massive fraud, Yeltsin was re-elected to the presidency. At that time, he was already a screen covering the domination of oligarchic groups. However, in the conditions of the most severe crisis caused by the default on government bonds and the collapse of the national currency, Yeltsin was forced to appoint Yevgeny Primakov to the post of Prime Minister. The program of the new premier on key points coincided with the demands of the defenders of the White House: independent foreign policy, rejection of liberal experiments in the economy, measures to develop the production sector and the agrarian complex, social support of the population.

Annoyed by the rapid growth in popularity, Premier Yeltsin already half a year later sent Primakov to resign. At the same time, it became clear that a return to the former, completely discredited liberal course is impossible, and the new policy must be implemented by other people. On the eve of a new, 1999, Yeltsin announced his resignation. He explained that he was leaving “not for health reasons, but for all the problems”, and asked for forgiveness from the citizens of Russia. And although he didn’t mention the October 93 in October, everyone understood that what we are talking about was the execution of the White House. The acting president was appointed Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Does this mean that events like the tragedy of 1993’s “Black October” have sunk into oblivion? Or do the above notes refer to the genre of memories of the future?
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 4 October 2018 05: 46
    +9
    special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Vityaz" advanced to Ostankino. This is a hundred armed professionals.

    Eternal and indelible shame to the then command of the "special forces", who stained themselves with the execution of the criminal orders of the illegitimate power of the EBN and the murder of dozens of Russian people. Like all the other security officials who staged the massacre and atrocities in the White House.
    1. baudolino
      baudolino 4 October 2018 08: 18
      -8
      Thanks to this "shame" you now live in a single country. And that impudent scum, which got hold of the deputy on the wave of "democracy", failed to seize power.
      And you do not need to be very smart so as not to draw parallels with the Kiev Maidan.
      1. Karenius
        Karenius 4 October 2018 08: 41
        +2
        Quote: baudolino
        And you do not need to be very smart so as not to draw parallels with the Kiev Maidan.

        Exactly !!! We had President Robert Kocharian, who was only engaged in robbery for 2 terms ... so he could pay a million bucks in retirement for a safari in Africa ... So, when the Pashinyans summoned him for interrogation, he then shared with the journalists: "An example for you with Ukraine with its Maidan does not indicate what could be? " :)
      2. mavrus
        mavrus 4 October 2018 10: 36
        +3
        Rather not "thanks", but in spite of.
      3. Rastas
        Rastas 4 October 2018 12: 15
        +13
        Do not understand what happened then, why write nonsense? Yeltsin trampled the Constitution, without any authority for that, banned the Congress, i.e., carried out a coup and seized power. The security forces in the person of Grachev and Erin were obliged to be on the side of the law, that is, the Supreme Council, instead, they sold themselves to Yeltsin for currency. You can at least look for analogies with Ancient Rome, but this does not cancel the fact of Yeltsin’s crime, and history has not justified it.
  2. tasha
    tasha 4 October 2018 05: 56
    -2
    I wonder what kind of citizens in the third photo of Ostankino with weapons? The article is somewhat one-sided, but it doesn't matter anymore. Another thing is important. Yesterday on one of the channels a story about the events of 1993 ended with the correct words, something like "Russia has been learning to solve problems through negotiations for 25 years ...".
    1. Darony Grebenkov
      Darony Grebenkov 4 October 2018 10: 22
      +7
      Quote: tasha
      I wonder what kind of citizens in the third photograph of Ostankino with weapons?


      On October 4, 1993, during the assault on the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation, a Cossack hundred ataman Viktor Morozov was shot.

      The Cossack hundred of the chieftain Morozov did not support any parties, and basically consisted of Cossack monarchists.
      Cossacks were entrusted with patrolling around the Supreme Council building, identifying provocateurs, and suppressing attempts to bring alcohol and weapons to the protected area. In those cases when the Cossacks found the weapon, they seized it and gave it to the White House security guards or the police. The Cossacks themselves were armed only with whips and rubber batons, and the centurion V.I. Morozov had a saber.
      That is, the Cossacks served as ordinary combatants to ensure law and order.
      Suddenly, several armored vehicles approached the Cossack outpost, from the side of Druzhinnikovskaya Street. Without any warning, they point-blank fired from heavy machine guns at unarmed people.
      The deputy of the Supreme Council A.M. Leontyev recalls:
      “When the Cossacks began to be shot point blank, priest Father Victor ran out to meet the APC with the icon in his hands, lifting it high above his head, and began shouting:“ Monsters! Fiends! Stop the killing. ” "Father tried to stop the APC, blocking the Cossacks by himself, but the heavy machine gun pierced it through, and he fell dead."
      All the surviving Cossacks were wounded, the centurion Morozov received six wounds.
      Having reached the "White House", the surviving Cossacks armed themselves and subsequently fiercely resisted.
      After October 4, out of hundreds of Cossacks, about thirty remained alive. A few days later, they were arrested in apartments, no one else saw them. Victor Ivanovich Morozov survived and served in prison, but after a few years disappeared without a trace. His further fate is unknown.
    2. AndreyS
      AndreyS 4 October 2018 17: 21
      -1
      Quote: tasha
      I wonder what kind of citizens in the third photograph of Ostankino with weapons?

      Yes, those who allegedly did not shoot at the special forces. And interesting things are written in the article "...However, the State Duma commission, which investigated the events of October 93rd, came to the conclusion that Sitnikov was lying behind a concrete parapet at the time of the explosion, and it was impossible to hit him during a shot from the side of the attackers... "As far as I can see in the photo of a citizen RPG-7 with a PG-7VR shot, that is, the so-called" tandem "ie cumulative and fragmentation charge. Everyone thinks that the cumulative jet will not penetrate the concrete parapet ?!
      At the same time, the article is clearly one-sided, something the author does not write as "not innocent of anything". civilians fired the same. And they said on the radio that "... the sniper is being systematically shot by riot policemen ..." (and just don't tell me they didn't say that, I listened to it myself).
  3. parma
    parma 4 October 2018 07: 33
    +2
    Continuing the theme of complaints from the losing side ..... Forgive me, of course, maybe I'm wrong, but then it was just another showdown ... Yesterday's friends began to beat each other's muzzles, not dividing the piece that they had bitten off from the Great Power .... Win supporters of the Council, nothing would have changed, well, except for the names of the elite (although perhaps not all) ... All these "leaders" of the "uprising" were well-established after the events of 1993, who are in the government, who are in business ... It's a pity, and those who died, and those who cry today about "failure", maybe politicians from the "losing" side still feel pretty good, some in business, some in politics ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 07: 49
      +4
      Quote: parma
      Yesterday's friends began to beat each other's faces, not dividing a piece that bit off the Great Power ....

      But what about! General Rutskoi already collected the Chumudanov’s companions, Gaidar, in search of the party’s gold, paid a million and a half to a private American company, searched, searched, but didn’t find anything.
      1. parma
        parma 4 October 2018 08: 00
        -3
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: parma
        Yesterday's friends began to beat each other's faces, not dividing a piece that bit off the Great Power ....

        But what about! General Rutskoi already collected the Chumudanov’s companions, Gaidar, in search of the party’s gold, paid a million and a half to a private American company, searched, searched, but didn’t find anything.

        I've never understood the meaning of this political "compromising evidence", because in my opinion, if you are alone (as a politician) and there are no "friends" and connections in power, then if you have any evidence of anything, no one will even listen to you. .. If criminal cases are opened, they will be closed quickly, on TV you will see at best on REN TV (not advertising) and to, and if this is compromising evidence about "bed" cases, then everyone does not care at all, here (and not only with us) the president is not married at all ...
        As an example - the so-called "Putin case" (which no one really conducted, then they closed it and now you can't figure out where the rumors are, and where the truth is), or the film "He's not Dimon for you" was, it all ended with jokes about compote and a state secret about income and expenses) ..
        But if there are "friends" and connections, cases will appear without proof ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 03
          +2
          Quote: parma
          I've never understood the meaning of this political "compromising evidence"

          This was not political compromising evidence. Rutskoi at that time was the head of the anti-corruption commission. Cases passed to him by the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          1. parma
            parma 4 October 2018 09: 31
            -3
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: parma
            I've never understood the meaning of this political "compromising evidence"

            This was not political compromising evidence. Rutskoi at that time was the head of the anti-corruption commission. Cases passed to him by the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

            By "political compromising evidence" I meant compromising evidence on rivals / comrades-in-arms in political life ... Although this applies to any information of this kind ... If you cannot use it, then it makes sense to you from it 0 ..... And if there is opportunity, then it is not really needed ... It is always easier to get dirty with dirt than to wash ...
      2. Karenius
        Karenius 4 October 2018 08: 26
        +1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: parma
        Yesterday's friends began to beat each other's faces, not dividing a piece that bit off the Great Power ....

        But what about! General Rutskoi collected 11 Kommir chumudanov, but they didn’t find something.

        Then an interesting moment was highlighted by your famous writer (I don't remember her last name, she had an analogue of a small Nobel Prize). So, after Rutskoy's words about the Chumudans, the meaning of Sobchak's being in power immediately emerged, who exclaimed: "But this will compromise the new, democratic government!"
  4. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 07: 34
    +4
    Our esteemed Minister of Defense, at the request of the world's best economist E. Gaidar, issued a thousand Kalashnikov assault rifles to defend democracy in October 93. The junta will not work! Nemtsov said correctly: "Press, press them, Viktor Stepanovich."
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 4 October 2018 08: 29
      +6
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Nemtsov correctly said

      Many have received a real aesthetic pleasure from such a defense of democracy (killing people)
      This is how Bulat Shalvovich Okudzhava spoke .............. I enjoyed it
      Ah, here are the words of the evil old woman Bonner .............Ah, how happy the soul was.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 35
        +6
        Quote: bober1982
        Ah, here are the words of the evil old woman Bonner ............. Ah, how happy the soul was.

        "They wanted a Russian order. They'll get it." A. Khinshtein.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 4 October 2018 08: 42
          0
          Bonner, Hinshtein, and Guzman’s statement on this subject will be?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 08: 45
            +3
            No, I don’t remember. I remember the letter of the writers somehow, although many have already disowned it.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 4 October 2018 08: 47
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              No i don't remember

              And I don’t remember.
  5. Ural resident
    Ural resident 4 October 2018 11: 23
    -5
    I can not help but comment. Ek distorted everything in the article - right in the style of American propaganda.
    I am clearly not a supporter of Yeltsin and I treat his deeds like the majority on this site, but I can not at all agree with the whitewashing of the holy "heroes of the revolution" Ampilov Khasbulatov and Makashov. God forbid seeing these "figures" at the head of our state. These dubious personalities based all their activities on provocations and attempts to play people off, preferably with a lot of blood.
    Regarding the assault on Ostankino by poor revolutionaries, the question immediately arises: where did the protesters get firearms and what code did they at all encourage them to storm with these weapons if they were not authorized law enforcement agencies? Any such assault is already illegal and such individuals are naturally destroyed. It’s a pity only the onlookers who came to see, but the bullet flew to them.
    In all the shots I see only how the "peaceful" crowd is attacking the police barriers with reinforcement bars and did not hesitate to use them. As for the unofficial deaths of 1500 people. Unofficial means there is no evidence, so there is none. This is all fiction. But 200 people is already a lot.
    About Yeltsin. Of course he was chickened. All of his political intrigues could end in time. Therefore, Gaidar spoke because the president was a coward. Well, the indicative shooting of the White House - a symbol of a new democracy - there is certainly no gate. From the moment the tanks started firing from the bridge, the picture broke off, the rest is known only from the engaged media, conflicting eyewitness accounts and speculation. Faith is neither that nor that.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 11: 58
      +8
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      where did the protesters get firearms and what kind of code did they encourage them to storm with these weapons if they were not authorized law enforcement agencies?

      The weapons were stored in the White House, and issued there. The Supreme Soviet of the USSR is not authorized? They went to storm Ostankino in order to have access to live broadcasting. And who authorized Shoigu to issue a thousand assault rifles? Gaidar? So the issue of authority is controversial.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 4 October 2018 15: 34
        +2
        Shorties, Makarovs were kept in the White House ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 16: 03
          +1
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Shorties, Makarovs were kept in the White House ...

          So in the pictures are solid Ksenia. Even in the House of Soviets there were machine guns. To be honest, I am more tormented by the question of who were those snipers-provocateurs who shot from the city hall, from the hotel.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 4 October 2018 16: 55
            +1
            According to one version, those who came from the promised land ..... and so .. who knows who knows ...
          2. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 4 October 2018 17: 19
            0
            A few PKKs, nothing more.
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 4 October 2018 17: 20
        +2
        He was taken out in bulk in advance.
    2. Rastas
      Rastas 4 October 2018 12: 25
      +14
      And why, dear, should Makashov or Barkashov be at the head of the country? You are just the victim of television propaganda. Their Yeltsin media then specifically showed that who would come, if not Yeltsin, was brainwashed, so to speak. For some reason, our "independent" media did not show other supporters of the Council, and there were many quite worthy people. And why are you so embarrassed that the supporters of the Council fought with the security forces? Of course, in your opinion, they should have taken riot police batons in the head with a servile blessing. No, they were still Soviet people. After all, Yeltsin seized power by violating the constitution and dissolving the Congress, having no right to do so by law. The paradox is that the people whom you reproach for resisting the security forces, just stood up to defend the constitution and the law, and the security officials sided with the lawbreaker Yeltsin, who at that time was already removed from office by both the Congress and the Constitutional Court.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 12: 50
        +4
        Moreover, in the Taman division hung lists of tankers who shot the White House. And the death sentence against them. We received a bonus of 200 rubles for the execution, plus thanks from Yeltsin in a personal file.
        According to Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs A. Dunaev, for example, the Rostov OMON supported Yeltsin only because Khasbulatov was a Chechen and Borya was Russian. Although even Alpha refused to obey the assault order, despite her dead fighter, who was shot by a sniper.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 4 October 2018 17: 19
          +3
          All is well with them, Mordvin.
          And pensions and ranks and money and business.
          Do not worry.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 October 2018 17: 26
            +7
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            0
            All is well with them, Mordvin.
            And pensions and ranks and money and business.
            Do not worry.

            Yes, I’m directly worried about them.
            The former commander of the platoon of the Kantemirovskaya tank division agreed to answer my questions, provided that his name is changed. Asked to call himself Andrei Orenburg.

            - Andrey, why did you leave the army?

            - Everyone who performed the task at the White House, after 93, was uncomfortable living in a military town. The officers who clearly kept the party cards called us "traitors" and "killers." Then leaflets appeared on the fences - with the death sentence and a list of our names. At night, they threw stones at the windows ... I had to ask in other districts. But there was a shitty rumor. Moreover, in the personal file of everyone, thanks were written from Yeltsin. And everyone has the same date - October ... And the fool is clear ...
            https://www.tula.kp.ru/daily/24174/385092/
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 5 October 2018 00: 33
              -1
              This is a Communist Party propaganda leaflet.
            2. Olezhek
              Olezhek 9 October 2018 11: 27
              0
              Moreover, in the personal file of each, thanks were written from Yeltsin


              Yes, this is better than the Nobel Prize!
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 4 October 2018 14: 25
        -2
        Quote: Rastas
        А why, dear, should Makashov or Barkashov be at the head of the country? You are just the victim of television propaganda. Their Yeltsin media then specifically showed, they say, who would come, if not Yeltsin, was brainwashed, so to speak. For some reason, our "independent" media did not show other supporters of the Council, and there was many quite worthy people.

        Totally agree with you.
        You absolutely right showed the bottom line:
        Quote: Rastas
        After all, Yeltsin seized power, violating the constitution and dissolving the Congress, having no right to do so under the law.


        .Those. it’s not even about any specific people (although they were worthy in the Council), but the fact that the EBN has trampled the chance of Russia to develop LEGALLY, gradually, consistently and on the basis of the will of citizens.
      3. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 4 October 2018 17: 17
        0
        Soviet people drifted from there, and Zyuganov fled the majority of deputies.
        But Makashov and Barkashov remained.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 5 October 2018 03: 20
          0
          Those who were supposed to protect the Tsar of the Empire of Ampirator teased in 17 ...
          What kind of people were they, noblemen? Ali royal? I don’t know what to call them
          And for those who were against Eltsin, real anger was not enough. But their opponents are the opposite.
          What do you say to that?
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 5 October 2018 10: 45
            0
            We did not have enough VET funds
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 9 October 2018 11: 26
      0
      Regarding the unofficial dead 1500 people. Informal means no evidence, means none.


      Well, yes, and the power she carefully collected them ... evidence ...
    4. gsev
      gsev 19 November 2018 03: 58
      0
      Why are 1500 people killed not an objective figure? The number of specific seriously injured in Moscow hospitals after Beslan and October 1993 is approximately the same. The number of victims should be approximately the same. But it is necessary to make an amendment that it has not yet been reported where the Yeltsin putschists hid the bodies of the dead parliamentary defenders? That is, in 1993, the government intentionally hid the extent of their killings. The killings of unarmed demonstrators began the day before the assault on Ostankino. History does not like the subjunctive mood, but only when the Gaidars, Chubais, Korzhakovs, Sobchaks, Yavlinsky left politics did Russia have a chance to survive as a state. In my opinion, if they were removed in 1993, recovery would begin earlier and go faster. In general, the rule of the Yeltsin clique inflicted material and human damage on Russia more than the war with Hitler in 1941-45.
  6. Rastas
    Rastas 4 October 2018 12: 33
    +15
    At least two fundamentally different phenomena should be distinguished: 1) those represented by Rutskoi and Khasbulatov; 2) volunteers who, only by chance, find themselves with them. Their role in the events is different. Their fate is different. Some of them played a political performance. They did everything to prevent a widespread popular uprising in the country, to localize events in the center of Moscow, where they were doomed to the role of provocateurs of violence in advance. They betrayed those volunteers who actually rebelled. Their leaders vowed to die, but not to give up. They did not keep their oath. They did not die and surrendered without a fight. Others with their bare hands went to machine guns, guns and machine guns. They were beaten and killed for several days in a row. They killed the best sons and daughters of Russia, who dared to speak out against the enemies of their homeland. They died under the applause and the hooting of a foreign and home-grown scum. The police, which should have been fighting against real criminals, turned into criminals themselves, for a fee in dollars, with monstrous savagery, disfiguring their compatriots. The army, which was supposed to defend the homeland from the invaders, for a fee and rewards turned into a police force and began to kill unarmed defenders of the homeland.
    A. Zinoviev.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 4 October 2018 16: 40
      +2
      I agree with you that there is a Fursov movie about the events of 1993 with approximate figures of those killed, and the numbers are many times different from those voiced
    2. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 4 October 2018 17: 18
      +1
      And Zinoviev calmly stayed in Germany.
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 4 October 2018 16: 42
    +5
    Shevchuk has a song dedicated to these events - "Truth to Truth"
  8. BAI
    BAI 4 October 2018 17: 30
    +1
    cut, finished off the wounded, raped women.

    This is from the series about the crucified boy. Overkill that undermines the credibility of the entire article.
    Well, the fact that Yeltsin’s seizure of power was illegal is evidenced by the fact that the United States did not immediately recognize his power. Well, the foreign policy of Yeltsin after recognition by the States is well known.
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 4 October 2018 21: 12
    +3
    About Ostankino. I went there too. Most of the road passed in a huge column, walked along the Garden Ring. Closer to Ostankino we were picked up by buses and delivered to Ostankino. I pulled up too. There is generally incomprehensible what needed to be done: the people wandered and talked, some strange state. At 7 evenings, after an unsuccessful attempt to ram the front door with a truck, everyone was asked to move away from the entrance, and there were no more than 50 people at the entrance. There was a shot from an RPG, dust clouds rushing right and left along the building. They fired at close range, the grenade didn’t cock, probably specifically like that. Then later lines from the building rang with tracer bullets, rockets flew. I went to the subway. The time was noted precisely, because on May 1, when Luzhkov broke up the demonstration heading from Moscow, everything was new, time was not recorded there. Here already fixed.
  10. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 5 October 2018 22: 49
    -1
    This stampede and the sudden disappearance of several thousand soldiers and police stationed around parliament were undoubtedly part of a well-designed plan.

    Your name is defeatists. Even in your rare victories, you are looking for an insidious plan of the enemy.
    But the commander of the BB (future minister) Kulikov recently admitted that after that he decided: it's over. And only by a miracle did not shoot himself.

    By the way, the assault on Ostankin would have yielded nothing. If you look around, you can see nearby towers with some caps on the roofs. In them on the upper floors are KGB officers, watching the broadcast. And in which case they will quickly turn off the broadcast.
    It was necessary to capture Shabolovka, on which there was no such system, and everything went live directly.
  11. Kolin
    Kolin 6 October 2018 14: 39
    0
    Gaza Strip "Aria Koschei"
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 12 October 2018 10: 51
    0
    There were injured and special forces and the guys from the internal troops. Dzerzhinsky’s division, Sofrinsky brigade, Lunevsky regiment (VV and there was a sergeant training) .... do you say the special forces are to blame? Well, well .... you probably forget that the order was given, and we took the oath. Then it was difficult to understand who is right and who is to blame. And fire was fired at the servicemen, incl. and sniper. Unarmed boys from the Lunevsky regiment (only shields and batons were disarmed, beaten up and humiliated .... The mess was complete. I say this not because I support one of the parties now, but because I was there and I know a lot not by hearsay.