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Poroshenko: We are fighting for Europe, for the West, for democracy. Take us to nato

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In the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, they commented on the statement of President Poroshenko about "the strongest army on the continent". It should be noted that Poroshenko now points not only to the “force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”, but also to the fact that “if it were not for the Ukrainian army, the boot of the Russian soldier would have already trampled the lands of the NATO countries”. This kind of statement Poroshenko made in an interview with the German edition Rheinische Post.


Poroshenko: We are fighting for Europe, for the West, for democracy. Take us to nato


From the statement Poroshenko:
Today we spend 6% of GDP on the army. I believe that only by this we already play an important role in containing Russia on the eastern borders of NATO. And we are fighting not only for ourselves. We fight for all of Europe, democracy, freedom, the West and Western values.


A further statement is even more puzzling. According to Poroshenko, “for the first time in a 300-year-old history Of Ukraine, 70% of the country's population wants to join NATO and the European Union. ” About the absurdity of the statements speak not only in the parliament, but also in Germany, where the interview was published. First, to consider the aspect of the desire or unwillingness of Ukrainians to join NATO in the 300-year retrospective is at least strange for the simple reason that NATO was formed in the late 40-s of the twentieth century. Secondly, Poroshenko angered the Ukrainian radicals with a statement about "300-year-old Ukrainian history." Radicals, as is known, believe that Ukrainian history is almost more ancient than Egyptian.

Comment of the deputy VRU Vadim Rabinovich, who heads the political movement "For Life":
Indeed, our army has become the strongest on the continent - I heard it from the president and from many of our commanders-in-chief. I have a question. Tell me, please, if we have the strongest army on the continent, why should we go to NATO? Let NATO come to us. We are the strongest.


Recall that a recent opinion poll in Ukraine showed that 38% of citizens are against the country's entry into NATO, 42% speak for joining, the rest are undecided. Whence information about the "70% approving" Poroshenko took - the question.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 24 September 2018 09: 15
    +1
    Do you need them?
    To take Ukraine, which is "at war with Russia" in NATO, is essentially to unleash a world war.
    Poroshenko, not Poroshenko - no matter who of the current elite became president, it could well break the chain and begin military operations against Russia.
    Or simply stupid people of some of the Natsiks will be able to crank up a large-scale provocation, and then rake NATO.
    Ideally, if the 404 authorities continue to be an abscess on the Russian border. They just need help, and these rabid dogs will do everything themselves.
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      1. Volodin
        Volodin 24 September 2018 10: 16
        +2
        Oo. Another "occupied" one has appeared. Better to talk about "miners and combine workers" in Nagorno-Karabakh. Otherwise, Azerbaijan will truly come and explain to you whose "mines with gardens" ...
        1. Serge Gorely
          Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 10: 43
          0
          Ukraine in all its micro-periods of non-fall
          dawned on low social responsibility ...
          1. kit88
            kit88 24 September 2018 11: 57
            +1
            Poroshenko, like a whole billionaire, means he has a brain under his skull.
            But he carries such nonsense. I mean his constant crying about how they bravely defend the entire Western world from the Russian hordes. About how he begs the West to take them into its bourgeoisie, because they are "their own", the Central Europeans!
            What Europeans are you! For the White Masters, you are these very hordes from the east, only domesticated, ready to bark at a bowl of soup for Russia. For this, they feed. Lightly to be meaner. Well, if something is thrown away, it’s not a pity.
            But Poroshenko is not a fox, all this nonsense is clearly for the electorate. Just go to the ointment. Somewhere in the jungle of Canada - mansions, in the Cayman Islands - bills,
            1. venik
              venik 24 September 2018 15: 07
              0
              Quote: kit88
              Poroshenko, like a whole billionaire, means he has a brain under his skull.

              ============
              Alexander! In the country of "404" to become a billionaire - it is absolutely NOT REQUIRED to have brains !!! Enough - arrogance, meanness, unprincipledness, deceit and - most importantly - greed! This - "WITH THE HEAD" !!! request
        2. thrush
          thrush 24 September 2018 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: Volodin
          Oo. Another "occupied" one has appeared. Better to talk about "miners and combine workers" in Nagorno-Karabakh. Otherwise, Azerbaijan will truly come and explain to you whose "mines with gardens" ...


          he needs this Nagorno-Karabakh Aleksey as I need the Golan with you ... he has a profession - Armenians, not to be confused with an Armenian is a nationality ... he spars better in Russian than you and me. including spelling and punctuation ... I see such an Armenian for the first time wassat wassat
        3. Barzha
          Barzha 24 September 2018 11: 13
          0
          And then really Azerbaijan will come

          Not even Azerbaijan, but Turkey! Which, too, "will not be there" !!!
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 24 September 2018 10: 28
        0
        Is Ukraine in a state of war with Russia? You are not there, there are simple tractor drivers and combine operators going down into the mines, getting all the weapons necessary for a modern war from there and ... the Ukrainian Armed Forces are "nightmares"!
        So until in 404 they will only argue that Russia is at war with them, there will be no war.
        And if Poroshenko or others like him commit a LARGE provocation (shelling our territory with the death of civilians, a serious terrorist attack, or naturally the transition to the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass with outlined strategic success), then Russia will be FORCED to respond "from all guns."
        Russia, at last, will "come to war," but it will appear very loudly!
        And then the entire territory of New Russia will be FREEDOM.
        But Kiev, etc. will be freed from the Nazis by rebellion or remain under their rule.
        But for NATO, this situation is fundamentally different if 404 is admitted to NATO or just an ally.
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      4. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 10: 46
        0
        Quote: arman
        Is Ukraine in a state of war with Russia? You are not there, there are simple tractor drivers and combine operators going down into the mines, getting all the weapons necessary for a modern war from there and ... the Ukrainian Armed Forces are "nightmares"!


        Arman, and whose Karabakh?
    2. Barzha
      Barzha 24 September 2018 11: 14
      0
      Do you need them?

      I was amused, as Vadim Rabinovich said: "Poroshenko said that Ukraine has the strongest army on the continent! Why then should we join NATO? Let NATO come to us!"
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled 24 September 2018 11: 29
      0
      Poroshenko: We are fighting for Europe, for the West, for democracy. Take us to nato, Oh please...
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 24 September 2018 09: 15
    +3
    Hackneyed plate with boring delirium - the delirium is monotonous, the disease is stable, the patient is incurable
  3. NIKN
    NIKN 24 September 2018 09: 15
    +1
    Take us to NATO
    So far, all the vacancies of henchmen and lessees are occupied. Free will review your candidacy on a competitive basis ...
  4. pvv113
    pvv113 24 September 2018 09: 16
    +6
    We are fighting ...

    With own people
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 September 2018 09: 22
    0
    “For the first time in the 300-year history of Ukraine, 70% of the country's population wants to join NATO and the European Union.”
    It turns out that they wanted to join NATO and the EU for 300 years, but there were not enough% of those who wanted it, just as Ukraine itself was not at that time. And finally, when NATO and the EU appeared and% jumped. Does he even hear himself at least occasionally?
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 24 September 2018 09: 44
      0
      So I somehow do not believe in these Ukrainian opinion polls .... maybe 70% just do not want to go to Nat?
  6. sagitch
    sagitch 24 September 2018 09: 28
    -11
    These 42% should already be our concern. The permanent Government of Russia by its actions not only repels Ukraine.
  7. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 24 September 2018 09: 32
    +2
    In NATO, closer to the presidential elections in Ukraine, they will come up with another plan, for example, 100 steps to join NATO. It’s good for Petya, and to annoy us.
  8. Conductor
    Conductor 24 September 2018 09: 33
    0
    So they fought that they lost Crimea and the Donbass and the Luhansk region periodically write out Lyuli.
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 September 2018 09: 33
    +1
    Jedi fucking, he defends Europe and nature.
    And also the whole earth, the galaxy and the universe !!!
  10. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 24 September 2018 09: 36
    +1
    They are children and they are children, it’s some kind of kindergarten.
  11. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 September 2018 09: 36
    0
    One such clown already existed, only he protected the world from windmills.
  12. Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 September 2018 09: 38
    +5
    Where do these percentages come from? If the census was hell knows when? And how much is left? I think I’m more willing to bring down this madness, but who has finances, relatives, houses, a garden ... maybe a favorite job, or something else? I’m sitting here myself.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 September 2018 09: 42
    0
    Firstly, Secondly, Poroshenko angered the Ukrainian radicals with a statement about "300-year-old Ukrainian history." The radicals, as you know, believe that Ukrainian history is almost older than Egyptian.

    ... again, the punk-drunk stepped into the substance, and without noticing spreading EVERYTHING around ... laughing
  14. Scud
    Scud 24 September 2018 09: 45
    +5
    If the logic of the piglet is not interesting to me at all. The logic of the Ukrainians is interesting to us. Are we really so puzzled that we want to get into nature?
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  16. lot
    lot 24 September 2018 09: 51
    0
    "West and Western values" in general ATAS: no self-identification. I wonder what paradigm the Swiss have, besides the chocolate harvested in the Alps.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2018 10: 19
    0
    She is such a squirrel, she can whisper a lot of things .... there used to be ears and they have a "mouthpiece"!
  18. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 24 September 2018 10: 27
    +1
    Quote: arman
    Is Ukraine in a state of war with Russia? You are not there, there are simple tractor drivers and combine operators going down into the mines, getting all the weapons necessary for a modern war from there and ... the Ukrainian Armed Forces are "nightmares"!

    so this is your glavnyuk claims that he is at war with Russia! belay What does "we are not there" here ???
  19. sleeve
    sleeve 24 September 2018 10: 36
    0
    And what? In light of the changed way of implementing politics in the modern "civilized" world, you just need to shout loudly and accept a special offer and "lead", for example, to "super partners" and place the bases. "Superpartnership" will last indefinitely (as long as needed), and 50 people in Mariupol, on some status base, will fully ensure the "stability" of the regime. And we will ripen "abscess" eternal eternity. Yes, and all sorts of garbage with provocations with the NATO label on the "lining" to observe in the area of ​​the Crimean bridge.
    But this is a statement of fact. Why should we do something? But there’s nothing. We are really strong and scary, but we are honest. And therefore they do not expect provocations or plots from us. Now the cart will go ahead of the horse. As soon as our "independent" economy is unfastened from the dollar, attempts at provocations will end in an instant. Then it will be possible to calmly unilaterally "bend" all the "provocateurs" to any mother. Here's how, for example, to carry out defense activities on the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov, if your boat can be stopped and inspected for, say, "drugs" and do not care about extraterritoriality, you are practically in our waters. And these polls are understandably "lining". But the process is going on.
  20. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 24 September 2018 10: 54
    +1
    “Indeed, our army has become the strongest on the continent - I heard this from the president and from many of our commanders-in-chief. I have a question. Tell me, please, if we have the strongest army on the continent, why should we go to NATO? Let NATO go to us. We are the strongest. "

    Many commanders-in-chief are an undoubted "achievement" of the AFU reforms))
  21. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 24 September 2018 11: 49
    +1
    All these are the wet dreams of the ukroführer.
    If NATO has already started talking about this, only countries without territorial disputes and with established borders can enter. And Ukraine hasn’t even grown up to this ... So, as in the saying: tryndet - do not toss the bags.
  22. Moskovit
    Moskovit 24 September 2018 12: 00
    +1
    NATO is not stupid, and they understand that Poroshenko wants to solve his problems at their expense. Anyway, why listen to a lame duck with a 5% rating.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 25 September 2018 05: 13
      0
      Of course, they don’t listen to him, but they will stroke the head ... Parsley is good, parsley is obedient ....
  23. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 24 September 2018 12: 12
    +2
    . a recent opinion poll in Ukraine showed that 38% of citizens oppose joining the country, 42% - for joining, the rest are undecided

    The rest were not undecided, but were generally afraid to answer. It would be a secret ballot and ten percent would not have gained
  24. sgr291158
    sgr291158 24 September 2018 12: 34
    +2
    And this one is protecting someone from Russia. But Russia just didn’t come to the war.
  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 September 2018 12: 43
    +2
    Dill-cattle in a stable for slaughter and normal owners do not let livestock into the house.
  26. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 24 September 2018 14: 12
    +3
    "The strongest army on the continent" scrambled from the Crimea so that heels sparkled, I saw it myself. From Donbass too.
  27. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 September 2018 17: 18
    +1
    Petruha! Turn back to Europe, and before us, and bend a little! laughing tongue wassat
  28. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 25 September 2018 01: 23
    +1
    And in order to be just like the Europeans, Waltzman’s fosterlings decided to establish a moratorium on the public use of the Russian-language cultural product in any form on the territory of the Lviv region.
    What then, how in Nazi Germany will they make bonfires from books?

    https://www.unian.net/society/10266477-na-lvovshchine-zapretili-filmy-knigi-i-pesni-na-russkom-yazyke.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

    Bendera encroached on our All!
    https://www.unian.net/politics/10272138-sbu-vyzyvaet-na-dopros-zhirinovskogo.html

    Zhirinovsky is summoned to the SBU for interrogation on September 27.
    "Summons addressed to the citizen of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, to appear on September 27, 2018 at 09:00 in office No. 716 to the senior investigator for the Department of Internal Affairs of the 4th section of the 1st department of pre-trial investigation of the Main Investigation Department of the Security Council of Ukraine, Macedonian V.P., which is located at : Kiev, Volodymyrska St., 33 to ensure participation in the conduct of investigative and procedural actions in criminal proceedings No. 12014000000000292 as a suspect. "

    But there is also good news on the Bender news site:
    https://www.unian.net/longrids/war-in-letters/
    Do not forget about the exploit of the Soviet people.
  29. LeonidL
    LeonidL 25 September 2018 05: 12
    0
    "Where did Poroshenko get the information about" 70% of those who approve, "is a question." You ask - we answer: No question! You can still find something else at the bottom of the bottle!
  30. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 25 September 2018 06: 55
    0
    Which time already on the account of Petro proclaims APU the most powerful army of the continent?
    But Rabinovich, a separatist, allows himself to doubt the words of the Commander-in-Chief. SBU, ay, where are you?