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Kabardians do not like Balkarians? Calls from the problem region

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Last week, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic was overwhelmed by a sharp inter-ethnic conflict, which traditionally was silent about our central media. It all started with a seemingly simple and good undertaking: to recall the anniversary of the Kanzhal battle of the 1708 of the year, whose 310 anniversary is celebrated this year.




From what is previously known, it follows that the Kabardian public organization "Shuuya Khase" planned to hold 17 September 2018, a campaign with 200 riders on horseback of a special Kabardian breed. The final goal of the route was Mount Kanjal (Konjol), on which the above-named battle took place.

Local police as reported "Russian News Agency", having learned about the upcoming campaign, did not agree on this event and tried to convince its initiators to abandon it. Despite the fact that local law enforcement agencies and authorities failed to completely disavow this campaign, the number of its participants was reduced to 30 people (this event was not completely prohibited due to the lack of legal grounds). Ibragim Yaganov, a respected person in the Kabardian community, a participant in the Georgian-Abkhaz war and a famous horse breeder, led this action.

Now let's talk a little about the Kanzhal battle itself and why this battle is a problematic topic in Kabardino-Balkaria.

At the beginning of the 18th century, as always, in the North Caucasus, there was restlessness: some Circassian tribal associations refused to pay the “accrued in a new way” tribute to the Turkish sultan and his confidant - the Crimean Khan (we recall was under Turkish protectorate). Sultan ordered his vassal, the khan of the Crimean horde, to resolve the issue with the recalcitrant, and a large army, consisting of the Crimean Tatars and other Turkic peoples, moved into territories inhabited by recalcitrant Circassians and their neighbors.

Kabardians do not like Balkarians? Calls from the problem region


The decisive battle took place at the foot of the city of Kanzhal (Konzhol), in which the army of conquerors was unexpectedly defeated by a numerically smaller army of local peoples, mainly of Circassian origin.

The defeat of the Crimean Tatars and their allies in Kabarda received a great international response. Thus, the Moldavian ruler, Mikhail Rogovitsa, said in a letter to the Russian Chancellor: “What a shame, damage and attack the Crimean Khan took from the Circassians ... well, it was his army that he had never seen before ...” they (krymtsev) were beaten like this ”.

Accordingly, this victory became a symbol of national triumph for the Circassians and other Adyghe-speaking peoples. The Turkic peoples of the Caucasus, including the Balkars, are extremely negative about this topic and generally prefer to insist on historical the unreliability of news of this battle.



In the 2008 year, on the 300 anniversary of the Battle of Kanzhal, representatives of the Circassian people had already conducted a similar campaign, and then a memorial sign was erected on the territory where the battle took place. However, shortly before this, residents (mostly Balkarians) of the nearby aul Kendelen turned to the authorities of Kabardino-Balkaria with a request to return to the 47.000 municipality hectares of lands previously recognized as “inter-settlement territory”. And, accordingly, the equestrian march of Kabardian activists even then poured oil on the fire - the Balkarians of this region perceived this event as an attempt to “stake out” the land allegedly belonging to them.

10 years passed, and the equestrian march in honor of the 310 anniversary of the Battle of Kazhalsky again had to go along the route of the movement of the Circassian army - through the village of Kendelen. However, remembering the problems that this event caused then, the leaders of the equestrian campaign wanted to go around this Balkarian aul, but this caused misunderstanding in the Circassian environment, some representatives of which still demanded the passage of the equestrian group through this village.

Inter-ethnic confrontation began in the republic on the morning of September 18 2018, when a small group of Circassian youth with flags, shouting slogans, decided to go through the above settlement. Local residents from among the Balkarians blocked their way. A massive brawl ensued, in which several people on each side were injured. As a result, the Balkarians began to “announce mobilization” and declare the cruelty of the Circassians.


Kabardians against Balkarians

The local police did not manage to quickly settle the conflict, and Rosguard was introduced to the village of Kendelen, which, by force, shields and batons, and (probably) shots into the air, divided both sides (although the parties to the conflict in response began to use stones and sticks against law enforcement).

Both Kabardins and Balkarians announced an “asset gathering”, and dozens, if not hundreds, of cars began to approach the village. According to witnesses, more people gathered than even at the recent rally against pension reform in Nalchik.

The night has not extinguished the passion. It seemed that the aul returned to 300 years ago - military guards stood at the entrances to the village, local residents burned bonfires around it, and arriving representatives of both ethnic communities, like two armies, set up two camps opposite each other.



Additional power units were introduced to the village of Kendelen, only permanently resident persons with local registration could enter it, and only buses with tourists from other regions pass to the nearby all-season resort of Elbrusje.

As a result, a representative of the authorities of Kabardino-Balkaria arrived in the village. Began negotiations of all parties. However, at the same time, the news came about an attempt to break through groups of Balkarian youth already in the Kabardian village of Zayukovo, prevented by the riot police.

The Republican Investigation Department of the TFR has begun, for the time being, a pre-investigation check on the events in Kendelen, where “unidentified persons have so far applied physical violence against the authorities”

Many citizens living in the republic believe that it was because of unrest in the village of Kendelen that unrest began in a number of neighboring settlements and even in Nalchik. So, September 19 gathered for an unauthorized demonstration (which, unlike the regions of Central Russia, for some reason, nobody dispersed, although there were plenty of police on the spot) on the main city square of the capital of the republic, dozens of people with flags and banners gathered on the main square of the republic’s capital. However, those assembled did not behave so aggressively as those who came together in the confrontation in Kendelen (possibly because of the large number of police officers), although they shouted slogans.


Rally in Nalchik

In general, the events described above testify to a rather serious flaw in both law enforcement agencies and state authorities, at least even at the very first, basic level, since instead of really high-quality work in the field of interethnic and interfaith interaction, “ostensible reports” were sent “upward”, allegedly indicating the absence of problems.

And still local officials, apparently, from a particularly outstanding fortitude, do not comment on the situation in any way, apparently awaiting the decision of Moscow; Moreover, on the official websites of the republic there is no information about interethnic conflict and its corresponding assessment.



Of course, to declare the beginning of the collapse of Russia, as some particularly zealous leaders sometimes shout, to put it mildly, is not at all worth it. But this next “bell” from one of the most problematic regions of the Russian Federation is extremely bad, and no matter how it turned out that, having directed all forces and all attention to Dagestan with its 32 ethnic groups, the leadership of our country looked through Kabardino-Balkaria with only three title nations. And as we remember, any internal inter-confessional and interethnic conflict in our country will with a high degree of probability be used by its external enemies (from the Washington hawks to the leaders of world jihadism).

According to the available information, special access was maintained at the end of the week in the villages of Kendelen and Zayukovor, while the divisions of Rosgvardia and other law enforcement agencies continue to serve in an intensified mode in the settlements of Kabardino-Balkaria. According to some, not yet officially confirmed data, the forces of public order detained people from 30 to 70, and at this stage we can speak about the extinction of confrontation.

Thus, thanks to all, though not immediately, but soon followed and quite correct actions of security agencies in Kabardino-Balkaria, the development of a local ethnic conflict into a bloody inter-ethnic confrontation was avoided.
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  1. apro
    apro 23 September 2018 05: 07
    +22
    In today's state, there is no clear position on national construction. There is no fair goal for all peoples. So everyone is scumbagging as best he can.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 September 2018 06: 09
      +15
      Let Zolotov go there, let him demonstrate all his agility and abilities .. It’s not in nete to threaten reprisal.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 23 September 2018 09: 06
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Let Zolotov go there,

        to a duel? Afraid
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 23 September 2018 12: 08
          +14
          The fact that the Circassians and their tribesmen then bent the Crimean Khan and other packs is a well-known historical fact. If it weren’t for this battle, Russia would still have to sweat a lot from these Turkish henchmen. So why not side with the Kabardinians and Circassians in this matter. Especially as for the Balkars and Karachars, they are one of the first who joined the Wehrmacht during the Second World War. At the same time, Adygs and Kabardians have a lot of people - veterans who were awarded state awards and even with the rank of heroes of the USSR. On the face of the fact of a certain loyalty and opposition to the state. Or are we again afraid to support the allies. There is nothing complicated and uncanny to officially indicate that a given date is memorable, important and historically reliable. In addition, it seems like our constitution guarantees freedom of movement within the border, or did Balkar villages leave Russia if convoys are prohibited from traveling ??
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 23 September 2018 19: 37
            +11
            Quote: AnpeL
            So why not side with the Kabardinians and Circassians in this matter

            About 200 peoples and ethnic groups live in Russia, and therefore, it is extremely short-sighted for the state to take someone's side to the detriment of any other, as this will cause a feeling of inferiority of the other side. I think that the problem of this conflict lies far beyond the scope of this historical event, which was skillfully used by external puppeteers to escalate the situation. If the state does not find a "head" and the right motive for neutralizing it, then soon this problem will turn into the category of "Ossetian-Ingush" conflict, which will entail great sacrifices and efforts to normalize the situation. We rarely say that combines peoples but there are constantly those who pull out topics smelling of mothballs and use them in order to separate peoples... The state withdrew itself from the development of a common, unifying state idea and left this issue at the mercy of the regions, where everyone generates interethnic problems and interprets historical events in their own favor, to the detriment of neighboring ethnic groups. This "omission", namely the absence of state ideology, was prudently laid down by Western curators in the Yeltsin constitution and to this day is an obstacle to working out some kind of unifying "GOAL" towards which Russian society and Russia itself are moving. This event with a conflict cannot be called a "bell" ..... it is quite a harsh "alarm", which the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs must seriously deal with, since we will be able to fight off the external enemy in a crowd, but in case of a serious "family" scandal, unite we won't be able to soon. Our strength lies in inner stability. hi
          2. Frieda
            Frieda 28 September 2018 10: 16
            0
            Quote: AnpeL
            +10
            The fact that the Circassians and their tribesmen then bent the Crimean Khan and other packs is a well-known historical fact. If it weren’t for this battle, Russia would still have to sweat a lot from these Turkish henchmen.

            And I, by a sinful thing, believed that Russia stopped "sweating" after the campaigns of Field Marshal Minich with Prince Donduk-Ombo and the subsequent campaigns of Potemkin. Well, now I will know. There are several versions of the Kanzhal battle, from directly opposite to complete denial of this event. The source is the participants in the battle from the side of the Kabardians, the Tatars have a slightly different opinion. Unfortunately, no real research has been carried out. hi
          3. Frieda
            Frieda 28 September 2018 10: 20
            +1
            Quote: AnpeL
            Especially as regards the Balkars and Karacharov

            Actually Karachais, "Karachars" are the fellow countrymen of Ilya Muromets, the one from the village of Karacharovo laughing As for the Heroes of the USSR, there are many Balkars as well.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 23 September 2018 05: 10
    +18
    Yes, any nation had victories and defeats both over its neighbors and its neighbors, not to mention the invaders who came from biblical to biblical times.
    "There is no story sadder in the world" how the Cro-Magnol people wiped out the Neanterdals!
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 23 September 2018 07: 50
      +11
      I agree with you. The situation is almost the same at almost all points where the small peoples of Russia live together or have administrative borders. There, even in the north of the Chukchi, the Evenks and other neighboring tribes drove for centuries until the Russians arrived and united all under one flag. Or take the former republics of the Soviet Union, whose peoples were at war before entering the USSR, and as soon as the Union collapsed, conflicts broke out again. Only centuries-old life in one big country, with a common history, education, common victories and tragedies can quench the severity of the reaction from the recollections of the internecine wars of the distant past.
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 23 September 2018 11: 02
        +5
        Quote: kjhg
        where the small peoples of Russia live together or border administrative borders.

        That is Russia. Do not you find anything strange in this? India, China, and the United States are no less multinational ... Conclusion, this does not happen on its own, it needs to be organized and financed. Entire institutions of the West are picking history and looking for reasons for interethnic conflicts ... Even from the Ukrainians they have derived a nationality deeply opposed to the Russians, what else can I talk about?
    2. Svateev
      Svateev 23 September 2018 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: andrewkor
      "There is no story sadder in the world" as Cro-Magnols drained to the root Neanderthals!

      For the content - a plus. But for grammar and for history ... negative
    3. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 24 September 2018 15: 04
      0
      And the method was by no means bloody.
  3. Chichikov
    Chichikov 23 September 2018 05: 18
    +8
    The goals and prerequisites declared by the organizers do not always coincide with their true purpose. Someone who provoked it will be difficult to understand as long as "confusion and vacillation", in assessing historical events, will be interpreted not in the complex of national history and its socio-political results, for peoples and nationalities, but in terms of "special allocation" of national minorities, as applied to the rest of the population.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 23 September 2018 07: 51
      +6
      Quote: Chichikov
      The goals and prerequisites declared by the organizers do not always coincide with their true purpose. Someone who provoked it will be difficult to understand as long as "confusion and vacillation", in assessing historical events, will be interpreted not in the complex of national history and its socio-political results, for peoples and nationalities, but in terms of "special allocation" of national minorities, as applied to the rest of the population.

      You're right. As soon as a certain nationality (nationality, teip, clan, group ...) wants to stand out from the "gray mass" with its exclusivity (pride, belligerence, etc.), it starts to have problems that, without interference from outside, can lead it to complete disappearance. But, on these problems you can earn extra money (politically and financially). This has been done in Russia hundreds of times.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 23 September 2018 09: 36
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        But, on these problems you can earn extra money (politically and financially)

        These problems cost blood, sweat, and the smell of the burned boots of our guys.
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 17: 25
        0
        So no, no "gray mass", let's be honest to the end
  4. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 23 September 2018 05: 42
    +2
    In our multinational country, such clashes are very dangerous. Directly blew the nineties. Putin accused the Bolsheviks of creating national territories. Today, the territory of Russia has greatly shrunk in comparison with the territory of the USSR. But interethnic conflicts have not disappeared. Now the question is what to do? Abolish the concept of nationality? Improve living standards in every national education? Give independence to every nation? Or enter the global world of each nation with its own territory and become people of the world?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 23 September 2018 06: 19
      -39
      Russia will fall apart sooner or later anyway. This is an inevitable process. And no such breakdown into 14 new regions will prevent this. And most likely, this collapse will happen according to your last scenario - "each nation will enter the global world with its territory and then, gradually, they will all become people of peace." but I think before that there will still be a war and not one ... for resources and land ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 September 2018 07: 11
        +19
        Russia will fall apart sooner or later. This is an inevitable process.

        Yes, nuuu ... another dreamer to ruin Russia ... for a thousand years people like you have been trying to ruin Russia ... it won’t work ... you’re better off, I’m better at the military cemeteries of the Germans, the French ... sit there and think at leisure and you won’t be there.
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 23 September 2018 09: 13
          +4
          And if you abstract from emotions and look facts in the eye? At one time Russia expanded and grew. And that's a fact. And the Russians even made it to California. But then! What then? It started in Alaska. Russian-Japanese War of 1905, October 17th year. The territory of Russia began to shrink. The Brest-Litovsk Peace seems to have driven Russia into some kind of borders. But the Bolsheviks returned part of the territory of Ingushetia. After the 45th year, the zone of influence was expanded. It was so? It was! And then the winds of change blew. Sergeich and Nikolaevich came. AND? The territory of Russia has sharply decreased! It was so? It was! Vladimirich came. And even among the people they began to call him the Tsar! They pinned their hopes on him, immeasurably. How did Russia grow under him? Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea. What else was returned from the territories of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR? It even seems that something was given to the norgs and the Chinese. Maybe all this is a lie? Well, these are all trifles in comparison with the territory of Russia. But here's the question. If we do not trade in our territories, why are we inviting foreigners to explore the Far East? So far, no one has given an answer to this. If the territory of Russia has always grown, why are almost all of its former territories now taking up arms against Russia? On May 9, many people stick stickers "To Berlin!" Which Berlin? We even handed over Kiev! How long has passed since the 90s, but we did not even return the territories of the USSR! Not to mention the territories of Ingushetia! Does the division of Russia into 14 pieces of highly specialized territories with two megalopolises bother or worry anyone? 14 narrowly dependent territories! These are 14 controlled entities of 14 TNCs! Who will develop them? State? Whose? They will be stupidly leased to TNKs according to the production profile. If someone rocks the boat about suverinet, he will be stupidly strangled economically. You can, of course, kick yourself in the chest and shout about patriotism. Can! But! What in fact?
          1. albert
            albert 23 September 2018 21: 26
            +4
            Quote: Mister Creed
            but we didn’t even return the territories of the USSR!

            Something returned. I'm sure we will return more later soldier
        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 23 September 2018 09: 17
          -11
          Yeah .... it’s interesting to ask and where are the Central Asian republics of the former USSR now? Where are the Georgians and Armenians? Where are the Balts? Where, finally, are "brothers for the century", "one people" - the Belarusians and the Ukrainians? I often visit Primorye and the Far East, so there, after another new "beneficence" of the people by the government of the Russian Federation, memories of the Far Eastern Republic and the Buffer Republic begin, and you constantly hear people say that it is time to stop "feeding" Moscow. And what about Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, is everything normal there?
          1. Karenius
            Karenius 23 September 2018 09: 30
            -5
            I liked your comment ...
            Friends from Kaliningrad told me about 15 years ago - that's all, Moscow completely forgot about us ...
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 23 September 2018 18: 38
              +6
              Yes, my "friends" from Armenia also told me that EVERYTHING, we will take back Karabakh. AND.....?
              1. Karenius
                Karenius 23 September 2018 20: 12
                -4
                He wrote for you more than once ... You, for yourself, Russians, recapture the Kremlin for a start ... then we will think about the future ...
                And then sit near your point, oversee ...
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 29 September 2018 21: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Karenius
                  And then sit near your point, oversee ...

                  Thanks for the advice . I’ll give a reply ... Micro Armenia (within its current borders) exists thanks to the Kremlin. Refuse the help of the Kremlin! Bring back the historical lands of Armenia! Weak?
          2. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 24 September 2018 02: 10
            +5
            And what is abnormal in Tatarstan? My wife came only from Kazan, from a friend, was at a party. Is there something wrong?
            And what kind of "Buffer" republic and who remembers in Primorye? It looks like you are just an ordinary Russophobe troll, m. from non-brothers?
      2. 2224460
        2224460 23 September 2018 07: 35
        +13
        Rather, the country under the flag of which you write will collapse (although, in principle, this has already happened), but about the nations that should enter the "global world" <so these nations create it, and not he them, well, the last thing about the dishes .. sorry about the "people of the world", I don't need the whole world, but I won't give up my land. PS The war for resources and land is already going on? Wake up
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 23 September 2018 08: 00
        +10
        Quote: Snail N9
        each nation will enter the global world with its own territory and then, they will all gradually become people of the world. "but I think before that there will still be a war and not one ... for resources and land ...

        Well, just, "well done." According to you - every nation in the war for resources and land, miraculously, will be ... the winner. And with joyful faces will enter the global world. And what nation will be buried in the struggle for resources and land? Oh, yes, of course not yours. Yours, out of habit, immediately gives up.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 23 September 2018 08: 34
          -14
          Well, if you don't look further than "your nose", stay in euphoria from "Kisel-Nightingale TV", listen to the "sunlit" with your mouth open, thinking out for him what this may mean, etc. then yes .... I agree- you can continue to believe in "one and indivisible" ... wink
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 23 September 2018 09: 05
            +12
            Quote: Snail N9
            Well, if you don't look further than "your nose", stay in euphoria from "Kisel-Nightingale TV", listen to the "sunlit" with your mouth open, thinking out for him what this may mean, etc. then yes .... I agree- you can continue to believe in "one and indivisible" ... wink

            Let's say I'm euphoric and open my mouth ... and who are you listening to? T.May - everything failed, Macron - everyone laughs, Trump - one thing in the morning, another in the evening, Poroshenko - it's clear with him, Dalia Grybauskaite - she's still a bastard (she's already starting to feel nauseous). Whom? Which one is your "beacon"?
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 23 September 2018 09: 25
              -10
              And I don’t listen to any of the “talking heads” and their hangers-on, life has weaned it off, since 1993. sad I listen to people (and grandmothers on the bench, too, what a horror, right? winked ) ..... I travel a lot both around the country and around the world (at work) I see a lot myself, and not from the "front facade" and not from the window of a Mercedes .... yes
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 23 September 2018 22: 09
                +4
                Quote: Snail N9
                I travel a lot both around the country and around the world (at work) I see a lot myself, and not from the "front facade" and not from the window of a Mercedes.

                Bulk, are you this?
      4. Flavius
        Flavius 23 September 2018 09: 13
        +4
        Russia will fall apart sooner or later. This is an inevitable process.

        I think so. Multinational empires can exist only with the rigid dominance of the most numerous people in its composition. With a pronounced ideology. What happened before the revolution.
        If Russia does not return to the sources as amended, then kirdyk everything. Tales about multinationality and multiconfessionality were invented by leftists to soften the brains of citizens and end badly.
      5. AUL
        AUL 23 September 2018 10: 19
        +8
        Quote: Snail N9
        Russia will fall apart sooner or later. This is an inevitable process.

        Snail, hello to you from Adolf Aloizych!
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 September 2018 11: 31
        +1
        "Russia will fall apart sooner or later. This is an inevitable process." So you opened your gut - a pseudo-patriotic.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 23 September 2018 09: 04
      0
      Quote: Mister Creed
      Putin accused the Bolsheviks of creating national territories.

      Is this a false accusation?

      Quote: Mister Creed
      what to do? Abolish the concept of nationality?

      Not. Raise the concepts of each nation to the general civilizational level. That all nationalities and nations would become Russian. This is the only way to avoid inter-ethnic conflicts.
      1. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 23 September 2018 09: 29
        -3
        Is this a false accusation? # And what? No? Or was it necessary to drive all the nations on the reservation? And whose nation will dominate then? Raise the concepts of each nation to a civilizational level! But did not the USSR raise it? # That all nationalities and nations would become Russian. # Nikolaevich made all the dear Russians. What's next? # The only way to avoid inter-national conflicts. # Well, become one nation. What nation is in Russia today? Here in America, the Americans. And who in Russia?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 September 2018 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: Mister Creed
          And what? Not?


          And, not strange, but without the Bolsheviks, after the collapse of the USSR, the same processes took place in Russia as a hundred years ago and the 24 republic was formed.

          Quote: Mister Creed
          Here in America, the Americans. And who in Russia?

          In Russia, there must be all Russians, and even every Russian can go down to tribal thinking and remember that his great-grandfather is not Russian, but Krivich or Polyan and begin to demand the creation of his own separate state.

      2. AUL
        AUL 23 September 2018 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        That all nationalities and nations would become Russian. This is the only way to avoid inter-ethnic conflicts.

        Boris, and if you were offered (with the best of intentions) to become a Chinese (Norwegian, Jewish, Italian, Japanese - underline what you need), would you agree? I think that national pride and self-awareness would not allow you to do this! So why are you denying others the right to national identity?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 September 2018 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: AUL
          Boris, and if you were offered ... (

          Homeland, like parents, do not choose. Would be born in China from Chinese parents - would be Chinese and love China.

          It is necessary to raise the level of consciousness of all citizens of Russia to the general civilization, to the level of civilization called Russia. The difference between thinking at the level of civilization and the community differs in that the civilizational-minded person thinks the same about all the peoples and nationalities living in this territory, while the communal (teip) people care only about their community. This is where inter-clan conflicts arise.
          1. AUL
            AUL 23 September 2018 16: 57
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            Would be born in China from Chinese parents - would be Chinese and love China.

            And if in Kabarda from Kabardian parents?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 24 September 2018 06: 59
              0
              Quote: AUL
              And if in Kabarda from Kabardian parents?

              Guess Three Times laughing
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 September 2018 11: 34
        -1
        Is this a false accusation?
        That is, everything is hindering the present, then sanctions, then the people are not the same. But the Bolsheviks were alone on the planet and could do what I want? Or did they proceed from their capabilities?
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 23 September 2018 09: 25
      +9
      Abolish the concept of nationality?
      What for? In the Russian Empire there was no division according to nationality. There was no Tatarstan was the Kazan province. There was no Uzbekistan, there was the Bukhara Emirate. And Putin could criticize his predecessors by doing something substantial. Honestly, when he created the Federal Districts, I thought that this was the beginning of the cessation of division by nationality. But it turned out to be.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 23 September 2018 09: 39
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        Honestly, when he created the Federal Districts, I thought that this was the beginning of the cessation of division by nationality.

        This Zhirinovsky invented. Seriously speaking. repeat
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 September 2018 11: 19
          0
          Zhirinovsky invented
          well, a small plus to his negative karma.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 September 2018 11: 25
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            well, a small plus to his negative karma.

            I'm serious. This idea (for the division of Russia into districts), Wolfovich came up with the year so in the 94th. Maybe earlier, but I read his brochure somewhere in the middle of the 90's. Then Putin confirmed that it was his idea.
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 23 September 2018 09: 43
        +1
        And Putin could criticize his predecessors by doing something substantial. # I agree! The question is, how can he dodge reality? He seems to have proposed no alternatives. Division into 14 districts? And what about nationality? Are they abolished? And how will representatives of nationality react to this?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 September 2018 10: 33
          +4
          Quote: Mister Creed
          And Putin could criticize his predecessors by doing something substantial.

          Have you tried to give your child candy, and then pick it up? laughing

          After Yeltsinsky: "Take as much sovereignty as you can." The first thing that Putin did when he came to the presidency was to restore the supremacy of national legislation over republican legislation, which did not allow Russia to fall apart into souvenir states.
          1. Claymore
            Claymore 23 September 2018 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            The first thing Putin did when he came to the presidency was to restore the supremacy of national legislation

            You're lying again.

            The first thing that Putin did, when he came to the presidency as acting director, was to sign a decree "on guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated his powers, and to his family members."

            Quote: Boris55
            which did not allow Russia to fall apart into souvenir states

            You're lying again.

            If before Putin came to the presidency federal laws would not have supremacy over republican laws (or this situation would have led to the collapse of the Russian Federation into sovereign states), then by the year 2000 the Russian Federation would have collapsed.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 24 September 2018 07: 07
              +1
              Quote: Claymore
              You're lying again.

              Have you carefully read what I wrote?
              "The first thing that Putin did when he came to the presidency - restored ... "
              And compare with what you wrote:
              "... coming to the presidency as an IO ..."
              They themselves were mistaken for themselves and offended.

              Quote: Claymore
              If before Putin came to the presidency, federal laws ...

              Yeltsin just gave way to Putin in the hope that it was Putin who would remain in history as the one that had ruined Russia. Broke off! Then Yeltsin’s daughter yelled - oh, we didn’t put that ...
              1. Claymore
                Claymore 26 September 2018 03: 54
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                You read carefully

                I carefully read the nonsense that you wrote, and commented on it, in fact - the first thing that Putin did when he came to the presidency (and he came to him as acting director) - signed a decree "on guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who terminated the exercise of his powers , and his family. "

                Quote: Boris55
                Yeltsin lost his place just for that

                Yeltsin appeared to you in a dream and reported on this?
                And why, despite your stated lack of supremacy of national legislation over republican laws, the Russian Federation did not fall apart and he did not report to you?
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 September 2018 11: 25
          0
          Are they abolished?
          Do Tatars cease to be Tatars living in another region? So if the Tatar Republic becomes the Kazan province, the Tatars will not go anywhere. And by the way, the Kazan province before the revolution was much larger. It included the current Mari, Chuvash, and part of the Kirov region. And nothing lived. And now all of a sudden, they started talking about nationalities.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 September 2018 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: Mister Creed
      Putin accused the Bolsheviks of creating national territories.

      Well, yes, they put a mine on him. And in Chechnya, did he put a mine in it?
  5. Flavius
    Flavius 23 September 2018 05: 49
    +2
    That Kabardinians do not like Balkars is not a problem. They have been slaughtered there for centuries because of a sheep stolen by great-grandfathers. It is much worse that the Russians do not like both of them.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 23 September 2018 06: 32
      +5
      it’s much worse that the Russians themselves don’t really like themselves ... unlike other peoples of Russia ...
      and this is a confrontation from centuries ago in the Caucasus ...
      and grandfather Lenin only aggravated the situation, trying to "make friends" between the Circassians and the Turks, driving their autonomy alone ... in Soviet times, the contradictions were somehow smoothed out ... The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the KGB held the local princes for Faberge harshly ... but the wind of change blew. ..
      The main reason for the conflict in the CBD is the distribution of power between Kabardians and Balkars ...
      Kabardinians traditionally occupied and occupy almost all the leading positions in the republican structures ... financial rivers with streams between clans are distributed, directed accordingly ... and it is extremely important for a subsidized region ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 23 September 2018 08: 07
        +3
        Quote: kepmor
        it’s much worse that the Russians themselves don’t really like themselves ... unlike other peoples of Russia ...
        and this is a confrontation from centuries ago in the Caucasus ...
        and grandfather Lenin only aggravated the situation, trying to "make friends" between the Circassians and the Turks, driving their autonomy alone ... in Soviet times, the contradictions were somehow smoothed out ... The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the KGB held the local princes for Faberge harshly ... but the wind of change blew. ..
        The main reason for the conflict in the CBD is the distribution of power between Kabardians and Balkars ...
        Kabardinians traditionally occupied and occupy almost all the leading positions in the republican structures ... financial rivers with streams between clans are distributed, directed accordingly ... and it is extremely important for a subsidized region ...

        Well, I'm Russian and for example, I don't like myself. And what is "much worse" about that? Live others with love, and well done.
        I agree with the rest of your text.
      2. Flavius
        Flavius 23 September 2018 09: 06
        -3
        it’s much worse that the Russians themselves don’t really like themselves ... unlike other peoples of Russia ..

        We never loved each other. Even Suzdal were cut with the Novgorodians. It’s not scary - we all the same created Russia and brought these peoples who are deeply loving themselves in the lasso. And who the Kabardinians and Balkars do not like is a third-rate question.
        1. Yura
          Yura 23 September 2018 09: 57
          +4
          [quote = Flavius] [quote] More Suzdal people were cut with the Novgorodians. [/ quote] Maybe all the same, the Suzdal princes with the Novgorod princes, that is, civil strife, where the personal interests of specific people prevailed over everything else?
          1. Flavius
            Flavius 23 September 2018 10: 15
            -1
            Maybe all the same Suzdal princes with Novgorod princes,

            Who cares? Mutual hostility and schism were centuries in Russia.
            And in Novgorod, then the issues were decided by self-government - the Soviet, so to speak, power)) So all the same, not the princes were cut.
            1. Yura
              Yura 23 September 2018 10: 34
              0
              Quote: Flavius
              And in Novgorod, then the issues were decided by self-government - Soviet, so to speak, power))

              Well, how could it be that I didn’t know this, as well as the fact that Veche invited or didn’t even invite, but affirmed the applicant (prince) for the board
              Mutual hostility and schism were centuries in Russia.
              Between whom is enmity and division? You say "We" is very strong. Look, for the most part, the principalities were ruled by relatives: brothers, father and sons, uncles, nephews, the closest relatives who cut, poisoned and rotted in each other's pits mercilessly, that is, by and large, mostly scum. Therefore, if you do not mind I am against "WE" in this context and in the one in which you are presenting.
              1. Flavius
                Flavius 23 September 2018 10: 57
                0
                Therefore, if you do not mind I am against "WE" in this context and in the one in which you are serving.

                Yes, I do not mind, but the situation is that an army of Suzdalis coming under the command of the son of Andrei Bogolyubsky is approaching Novgorod. There is no prince in the city at that time - neither an uncle, nor a brother, nor a close relative.
                However, the Novgorodians do not open the gates and do not merge with the Suzdal people in a fraternal impulse.
                Why don't they merge? Yes, because besides fraternal feelings, there are others who are not. Last but not least, economic.
                So the massacre went. Do not blame everything on the rulers.
                In the same way, there has always existed and still exists an everyday hostility between Russians and Ukrainians. Without any Powder.
  6. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 23 September 2018 05: 50
    0
    It was for such regions that the Stena complex was apparently adopted.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 September 2018 06: 13
      +3
      Quote: Examenatornick
      It was for such regions that the Stena complex was apparently adopted.

      The king approved, yes?
  7. demo
    demo 23 September 2018 06: 54
    +5
    Those. I understand that.
    Three hundred years ago, the Circassians entered the battle and won it?
    Did the Balkars stay home?
    In other words, the Balkarians are strangled by a toad about the holiday on which they are strangers?
    For these purposes, a move was invented with passage through lands that still do not belong to them.
    Why are you swimming so shallow, Balkars?
    Tell your grandfathers - men should be ready to fight.
    So the Circassians did not want to pay "in a new way" and won such a right, while the Balkars sat quietly "like mice under a broom" and agreed.
    And now they are trying to belittle and humiliate the Circassians.
    It recalls the celebration of the Battle of Poltava and the reaction of the Ukrainian and Russian public.
    Is not it?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 23 September 2018 07: 14
      +8
      It recalls the celebration of the Battle of Poltava and the reaction of the Ukrainian and Russian public.

      It reminds scenarios of etching peoples into another ethnic conflict following the example of Yugoslavia.
      For this, all unscrupulous methods and techniques are used ...
      FSB officers should stand on this issue ... competently pushing people in the Caucasus with their foreheads ... a sore spot for Russia.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 23 September 2018 08: 23
        +3
        all of Russia one "sore spot" will be ... besides the little land inside the Moscow Ring Road and Bocharov Stream ...
    2. stavro
      stavro 23 September 2018 08: 14
      +7
      Balkarians always supported the Turks and Tatars. In the early nineties, they dreamed of secession and joining Turkey. So they fought on the side of the Tatars and Turks.
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 September 2018 07: 09
    +6
    Another evidence of the weak power of Russia in the Caucasus. ... In general, the organizers of the "horse trip" should receive more for inciting ethnic hatred than for "ill-considered" "likes" and "posts". The historical event should be studied by historians at conferences, not young people with sticks ... Well, Moscow "horse breeders" will not organize a grand trip to Kazan because of the events of 1552.
    1. demo
      demo 23 September 2018 08: 32
      +4
      The king will order and lead.
      Only the king is weak.
      Will not order
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 23 September 2018 07: 12
    +2
    However, shortly before this, residents (mainly Balkars) of the nearby Kendelen aul appealed to the authorities of Kabardino-Balkaria with a request to return to their municipality 47.000 hectares of land previously recognized as an “inter-settlement territory”.
    ... The boundary that still cannot be shared ... The cause of conflicts has always been economic interests ...
  10. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 23 September 2018 08: 08
    +5
    In the Caucasus, everyone understands that as soon as Russia tries to get away from there, they will begin to cut each other selflessly.
  11. stavro
    stavro 23 September 2018 08: 11
    +7
    Foreign NGOs must be closed in the Caucasus. It is they who play off the people. Thousands of them work here, Turkish Jordanian, European.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2018 08: 44
    +3
    Well this is for good reason! Small but proud nations often have something to say to each other. No matter how cynical it looked, but only a larger pacifier can keep order there! He doesn’t always succeed, but it’s better they haven’t come up with anything yet!
    1. ver_
      ver_ 23 September 2018 10: 47
      +1
      ... in the end, then - someone will survive anyway ...- not all the same in Russian * leave * ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 September 2018 19: 14
        0
        The one who keeps order may be the most to blame, love, small but proud, to appoint such!
        It is necessary to answer specifically and immediately!
  13. New Year day
    New Year day 23 September 2018 08: 49
    0
    Yes, we have many dissatisfied with each other, just digging. Chechens and Ingush still share the land
  14. Seamaster
    Seamaster 23 September 2018 09: 29
    +7
    There can only be one solution - the abolition of all these national entities and the introduction of equal provinces throughout the country.
    Everything else is half measures.
    And to the troublemakers to apply the articles of the laws on inciting interethnic hatred, and not paying attention to what Princess Marya Alekseevna says.
    And all the bleating that it is necessary to improve the living standards of these peoples (at the expense of the Pskov peasant and the Ural steelworker) must be stopped.
    Not from poverty these lads rebel, but with fat rage.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 23 September 2018 09: 53
      -3
      There can only be one solution - the abolition of all these national entities and the introduction of equal provinces throughout the country. # What! The abolition of all national entities! These types, well, nafig this Russia !? And what are these provinces? Come on states! United! And what !? Everything is in the modern trend of globalization! Have you learned English?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 September 2018 11: 41
        +1
        These types, well, nafig this Russia!
        As I understand it, Seamaster spoke for United Russia, and the States is your fantasy.
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 23 September 2018 17: 42
        -1
        You, my friend, have read my comment about the provinces?
        And if you read, then why are you lying? It is written: Russia is a unitary state divided into equal provinces.
        Have you heard the poem?
        Fools haven’t written the law,
        If it’s written, it’s not read,
        If read, it is not understood,
        If understood, then it’s not so.
        And the states in the USA, for your information, are even more independent from the center than our republics, territories and regions.
        And this is not good.
      3. passerby5
        passerby5 26 September 2018 18: 22
        0
        I will support Seamastera. Where do you live, Comrade Credo? I'm between Vyatka and Kama. Well, it so happened that during the resettlement or development of territories, people walked along the rivers. And in that region there are 5-6 Mari villages, there are 4-5 Udmurt, Russian, Chuvash, Tatar, Tatars-Kryashenov. There were a lot of villages where half of the village was Ruska and the second was Tatar or Udmurt. And Lenin took and created these autonomies. Previously, our territories were part of the Vyatka province. Yelabuga district. And everyone lived there. At what, for example, the Udmurts lived and live in the Karlygan area. (Near Kazan) Kuchno so to speak, and they had national schools there. And no one bothered them so to speak about this. And with the introduction of autonomies, what happened? up to here you are Votyaks and there you are already Tatars. and therefore learn Tatar. Agree, this is somehow not correct. I would even call these formations a reservation. At one time, the sister of a neighbor, receiving a passport, enrolled in Russian. Although the parents are Udmurts. I went to enter the institute, Russian places are occupied, but for the Udmurts there is discrimination? And she urgently wrote to the Udmurts. Received. Here is such a squiggle you make. A time bomb planted by grandfather Lenin - these autonomy. IMHO. I cannot say for kakkaz, although I have been, and I communicate with them. but to understand, one must live there, and not just hear and "analyze".
  15. Conductor
    Conductor 23 September 2018 09: 31
    -1
    Yes, even if they killed each other, what is the problem then?
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 23 September 2018 10: 01
      +4
      The Russian Guard did not have to get up between the warring parties, but around the ring (after selecting the sticks and stones) and let the fists out of their conflict
  16. Boozer
    Boozer 23 September 2018 10: 44
    0
    Where are the elders elders? The National Guard can only suppress riots, disperse everyone in the corners and that's it. And who will reconcile the two nations? Where are the honorable and respected, where are the wise and experienced? No respected grandfathers, let's respected grandmothers! And send all the media to the forest! They only know how to kindle ...
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 18: 27
      0
      The elders were in the forefront.
      These are not generations of old people of the 90s, who are used to enduring everything.
  17. Jerk
    Jerk 23 September 2018 10: 49
    +1
    Yes, everything is fine. If there are nationalities, there will be ethnic squabbles. And they extinguished the conflict very competently and without casualties.
    Who will tell you that this is not so - I recommend reading about the recent protests of the Indians in the United States in North Dakota. Full stuffing! Palka for people, the army, even armored vehicles caught up, although there purely the case was decided in court. But savages, here comes the penguin war with the Indians
  18. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 23 September 2018 11: 25
    +1
    The Caucasus understands only power and central authority should be strong, if not cruel. Activists must be taken to uranium mines and mines.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 18: 26
      +1
      Well, who will do it? The multinational leadership of the Russian Federation?
  19. Karenius
    Karenius 23 September 2018 11: 28
    -1
    300 years ago, the Ottomans found an "original" solution for resolving those conflicts - they suggested and found an external threat ... Under the slogan of war with "apostates" the entire North Caucasus and Crimea were mobilized ... They went in 1721. to the Persians to Isfahan, from there to the Armenians and Georgians (the famous campaign of 21/22). I still wonder how ours in our southern regions successfully resisted such a horde ... The Georgians organized a year later, and, with the help of the Russians, responded, but their desire to arrange the same closer to Elbrus was suppressed by the shah's power - they were more afraid Sunnis from Afghanistan ...
  20. Earnest
    Earnest 23 September 2018 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: Snail N9
    And I don’t listen to any of the “talking heads” and their hangers-on, life has weaned it off, since 1993. sad I listen to people (and grandmothers on the bench, too, what a horror, right? winked ) ..... I travel a lot both around the country and around the world (at work) I see a lot myself, and not from the "front facade" and not from the window of a Mercedes .... yes

    I don’t like such hysterics and "chushenos". He listens to grandmothers ... Whose? What kind of grandmother is she and what horrors does she tell if I, my relatives (and my grandmother is still alive, 87 years old!) Regret the past only because of the complexity of long-term accumulation of money (government policy is the constant depreciation of savings as the driving force of the raw materials economy), "bandwidth" so-called. "social lift" (for the children of a peasant, for example, it is now almost impossible to become a director of a large enterprise - but this is the same in the West!) and an increase in the number of "untouchables" (the powers that be, who were untouchable in the USSR at the expense of their power, are now added rich, able to pay for untouchability). But the quality of life in comparison with the same 80s has grown significantly, ranging from the everyday availability of fruits and vegetables, household appliances and vehicles, and ending with medicine and education. We do not consider the moral character of society, for a capitalist society the measure of values ​​is income and profit from it.
  21. vindigo
    vindigo 23 September 2018 12: 17
    0
    It is necessary to carry out forced assimilation. Prohibit national centers, all sorts of second national languages ​​in schools. So that everyone becomes Russian, and only narrow specialists-historians know about small nations. If anyone wants, then let the family transfer knowledge to children. Otherwise, these buoys will never stop.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 18: 26
      +2
      Yes, now, while Russians are forcibly assimilating only.
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 24 September 2018 03: 36
        -2
        How many kids do you have?
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 24 September 2018 19: 31
          0
          I have two.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 26 September 2018 09: 05
            -2
            Well, that is, a small child, one of the culprits of "assimilation".
  22. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 23 September 2018 15: 26
    0
    I was told that the CBR problem in land use is pasture for cattle grazing, the Balkarians then live in the highlands and the Kabardins on the plain because of this cheese boron the republic is small, there are few fertile lands
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 19: 03
      0
      Do you propose to give them part of Stavropol? Or Kuban?
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2018 16: 57
    +1
    The Caucasus is Russia’s powder keg and it’s not surprising that it’s blazed there. I would have all these politicians recalling historical victories among local tribes and nationalities, right away.
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 23 September 2018 18: 44
      0
      I agree (short, because short message)
  24. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 23 September 2018 18: 33
    0
    Local riot police is obtained.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 23 September 2018 18: 36
      0
      OPON was from Stavropol and Ossetia.
  25. flicker
    flicker 23 September 2018 19: 19
    0
    Last week, the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic was overwhelmed by an acute interethnic conflict, which our central media traditionally kept silent about.
    Don't wishful thinking. The overwhelming majority of KBR residents learned about this "overwhelmed, acute and interethnic conflict" about which our media "traditionally kept silent" from ... our media, at least they say so.
    It is not necessary to project the relations of Jews and Arabs on the relations of other peoples.
  26. datur
    datur 23 September 2018 19: 26
    0
    officials of 2 republics did not agree !!! dryuchit the main district !!!! wink
  27. NG inform
    NG inform 24 September 2018 03: 35
    -2
    Interesting, i.e. the battle of Molody is not considered by others to be the defeat of the Krymchaks? And they told us that it was in it that the Turks of the Crimea were killed in it.
  28. oracul
    oracul 25 September 2018 07: 21
    0
    Nationalism, or rather not attention to what it can generate, has become a wick, which
  29. oracul
    oracul 25 September 2018 07: 37
    +1
    continued ..... th led to the collapse of the USSR. External forces only diligently seized the opportunity. And the fact that nationalism periodically raises its head in a particular region, and at the same time merges with separatism and attempts to ruin the country in this is a homespun truth. The main thing is that he is not given a proper rebuff, but everything is transferred to classrooms and studios, where there is endless debate about meanings, and on the ground, representatives of national elites are gradually carrying out their ongoing work to educate the younger generation in a chauvinistic spirit, intolerance towards neighboring nations, the conviction that someone owes them a lot. So, it was in most republics before the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is no ideology of the state, so its place has a chance to take either nationalism or an alien ideology of the West. A holy place is never empty.
  30. erased
    erased 25 September 2018 07: 47
    0
    Hello Chechnya-2! And then something is boring for the past 15 years. Yes, and toilets are idle, there is no one to wet (formally no one). And then Syria, Syria! We will be entertained at home too!
  31. ashnajder
    ashnajder 25 September 2018 22: 21
    0
    Tozheroziyans))) walk)
  32. NY
    NY 26 September 2018 17: 19
    0
    Interethnic tension will only grow, because among all equal peoples living in Russia, there are those who are "more even" than the rest.
  33. LegionChik K
    LegionChik K 27 September 2018 02: 14
    0
    It's funny to say, but in the KBR it has always been tight with this problem, as, in general, with the "smell" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and officials. As for the shooting in the air, they didn’t do that, and they did shoot in the air. At one of the posts on the Rostov-Baku highway, Kabardians, hiding behind employees, fired towards the Balkars. And there weren't many local employees. Their president fled to Moscow and the ministers started a panic and demanded reinforcements from all the republics. They came from Chechnya, Ossetia and Ingushetia, and they dispersed the patrol police riot police. Hard. And now there are threats from Kabardins and Balkars to the inhabitants of these republics.
  34. Victorio
    Victorio 28 September 2018 10: 54
    0
    unemployment is paying off
  35. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 28 September 2018 13: 31
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    Putin ... restored the rule of national legislation over republican


    Well yes. It looks particularly convincing on the example of Chechnya. (On the other hand, Ramzanchik for Uncle Pu is a little man who is very useful in possible affairs, where Zolotov is stalling.)
  36. Hapfri
    Hapfri 29 September 2018 07: 48
    0
    The demonstration was dispersed by Chechens. If someone does not know. On the box, as always, they gave a strong truncated information