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Carefully, an Israeli special operation is being conducted in Russia!

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In the Russian media, a special operation of the Israeli special services began, aimed at mitigating the consequences of the loss of the Il-20 aircraft by the Russian HQs in Syria. At the same time, it seems, no one is killed, but in a certain scenario, there will still be casualties among the Russian military.




Yesterday, in one of the social networks, I stumbled upon some kind of “analytics”, dedicated to the downed Russian plane and the role of the Syrian army in this event. The “analyst” began quite eloquently: “I myself am not an expert in this matter, so I asked my friend, a retired air force pilot from Rostov, to speak up.” In general, everything is strictly in the spirit of “Crimean women, the daughter of an officer,” only with reference to an authoritative opinion, which is commonly trusted in Russian society (and we respect the officers and trust in the majority).

This most "retired pilot from Rostov" showed an unexpectedly deep knowledge of the domestic political situation in Syria and said that this is not a mistake at all, but a deliberate provocation of some part of the Syrian elite, who are tired of Assad, but also leads an endless and irreconcilable nibble. So, they say, they set up Assad under the wrath of the Russians, in the hope of either displacing him, or simply spoiling him.

At the same time, official and semi-official media constantly make stuffing directed against the Syrian president personally.

- And did you hear, Assad did not even send condolences to Putin ?!

- No, he sent condolences, but Putin does not want to hear him and does not even take the telephone receiver!


Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary, was already forced to make a refutation of such throw-ins. But, as they say, the sediment remains, and a drop wears away a stone ...

The fake distributed on the network does not stand up to criticism. Here is the incredible awareness of the “officer” about the internal political situation in Syria, and the rather strange belief that some “fraction” of the conspirators can control the whole calculation of the anti-aircraft missile division, and the well-thought-out provocation when the recruitment of this calculation coincides randomly with the Israeli action aviation and the span of the Russian military side.

And nevertheless, such stuffing finds more and more readers and distributors. A lot of reposts, a lot of angry comments in the spirit of "Damn this Assad and this war!" And it seems like a simple plan, but it works. But I have not seen all such calls, and how many more of them, unidentified, now roam the Russian Internet?

Probably, at first glance it may not seem so important: well, just think, the cunning Israelis decided to justify themselves with guarantee. But no, in fact it is a very, very dangerous way to escape from the Russian anger, and here's why.

The fact is that the situation in Russia is monitored not only by Russian and Israeli intelligence services. American and British, for example, are also not asleep. And imagine, they see the "oil painting" - it turns out, you can substitute the Russian plane under the fire of Syrian air defense, and even cause a surge of hatred towards Syria in Russia and no less a surge of pacifist moods. What then will the special services of our potential opponents do? That's right - they will start preparing the next provocation!

That is, the more actively we swallow the uncomplicated bait that the Mossad is now shoving us, the higher the likelihood that Americans and allies will soon make some sort of raid under the cover of a Russian plane or take-off. And, by the way, it is not at all necessary that only the military will be on it.

And new victims will already be on our conscience, if we are so gullible, if we are so happy to be deceived.

Leaving aside the technical aspects of the tragedy (only lazy people did not speak about this), let's agree that such tragic situations in the war are unfortunately possible. We should remember the main thing: Israel is the only culprit in this tragedy!

The death of Russian officers was a direct consequence of the undeclared aggression that Tel Aviv is waging against the Syrian state, exhausted by the civil war. If the Israeli air force did not commit another treacherous blow, our military would have survived. This is a simple statement of fact, and there are no imputed arguments against it.

Just in case, let us remind the doubters that Israeli aircraft did not bother the ISIS units (forbidden in Russia) when they were in direct view of the borders of Israel, near the Golan Heights. But the strikes on the Syrian armed forces were practiced a year ago and two. Therefore, we can safely say that the position of Israel, to put it mildly, is extremely hypocritical, and its actions directly border on what can be described as a war crime.

I do not call for any military response to the provocation that led to the death of the Russian military aircraft. But I would venture to say that it is not in the interests of Israel to repeat such abominations - Russia has enough ways to annoy Tel Aviv and it should be remembered. Here and the possible rapprochement with the Palestinian Authority, and the supply of more modern weapons to Syria, and, most importantly and most painfully, the way out of all agreements limiting supplies weapons Tehran. I think our good friend Benjamin Netanyahu will burn pretty if he even hints that the next Israeli strike on Syria could lead to accelerated deliveries of Su-35s and attack aircraft Su-34 to Iran.

But the most important thing: in no case should we succumb to provocations and outright lies that the Israeli special services are trying to feed us through their agents in the media. Because it can really open a Pandora's box, the depth of which we can only guess.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 24 September 2018 11: 06
    +30
    Yeah, in the streams .. in the attempts .. everyone and everything ... is true anyway on the surface .. Israel is to blame for any situation .. Here the question is, but what will we do?
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 11: 16
      +3
      Viktor Kuzovkov, why are you surprised?

      This most "retired pilot from Rostov" showed an unexpectedly deep knowledge of the domestic political situation in Syria and said that this is not a mistake at all, but a deliberate provocation of some part of the Syrian elite, who are tired of Assad, but also leads an endless and irreconcilable nibble. So, they say, they set up Assad under the wrath of the Russians, in the hope of either displacing him, or simply spoiling him.

      And what did they tell us about the downed Su 24? It’s supposedly Erdogan’s setup, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is to blame for everything.
      1. Detective
        Detective 24 September 2018 12: 00
        +19
        In my opinion, this is an extreme chutzpah characterized by extreme stupidity! Yes - they were right! All this hysteria from "we do not comment until Netanyahu's call and who arrived (how can I not pick up a word that arrived very quickly?) To Moscow to settle the situation of the Israeli Air Force commander from the series - we are sooo strong, but very light! This is true for Israel itself ?! I will tell you now the absolute truth - NOTHING GOOD !!! Who did all this? To this Jacob Kedmi also gave a very accurate answer - stupid people! What should we understand? Well, this is also very simple, speaking in Russian There are a lot of idiots in Israel! There are enough of them in the Israeli army! Proceeding from the fact that the army of this state is not an autonomous structure, we must understand that idiots in Israel are probably widely represented in power structures! And as always, the primordial Russian question - what to do? simply - treat accordingly! This is a very broad concept. Starting from the negotiability of such states, ending with the fact that aggressive idiots are simply dangerous for a normal society!right? Will smart and generally thinking people deliberately create such a situation in which Russian servicemen die ?! The servicemen of the country on which the security of Israel itself largely depends?!?! Yes, idiots are very mildly sorry.
        Just what Shoigu made - From 300 he will be in Syria in two weeks! EW systems will operate in areas adjacent to Syria. We will respond in connection with the prevailing situation!
        All this is called - played out! Or rather - flew off!
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 25 September 2018 20: 26
          +6
          After SU-24, the Kurds blew up a bus with pilots, where there was also a pilot killer.
          And then there was an attempt of a coup d'etat, after which the general also sat down, who gave the order to attack our plane.
          Only after that they began to restore ties with Turkey.
          I suppose (or rather, I hope) that the S-300 and EW will not be the only answer.
      2. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 24 September 2018 12: 20
        +3
        As it turned out, the downed SU-24 NATO operation.
      3. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 18
        -9
        Given that the main beneficiary of this situation is not Syria, but Iran (with Hezbollah), the version with the Iranian footprint cannot be ruled out
        1. A.Kaledin
          A.Kaledin 24 September 2018 23: 44
          +7
          Yeah, Iran bombed the neighborhood of the Hmeimim air base :))
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 29 September 2018 15: 32
            -3
            No. But it was not Israel that shot down a Russian plane. And Iran has been in Syria since 1982, and who knows what relations Iranian special services have with Syrian missiles
            1. Bratkov Oleg
              Bratkov Oleg 29 September 2018 15: 49
              +2
              It is not Iran that occupied the lands of the Arab state, but Israel has far gone beyond its borders, which naturally causes the righteous anger of the Arabs.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 September 2018 11: 37
      +16
      Quote: Svarog
      Yeah, in the streams .. in the attempts .. everyone and everything ... is true anyway on the surface .. Israel is to blame for any situation .. Here the question is, but what will we do?

      all parties are to blame, Israel, of course, is in the "setup", Yusa is incitement, we are in slovenliness, the Syrians are not trained (the lack of our control is also in our garden). conclusions need to be drawn (in war, as in war) and not anti-Semitic. (this is to Konoshenkov, and of course to Shoigu.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 24 September 2018 11: 46
        +17
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Svarog
        Yeah, in the streams .. in the attempts .. everyone and everything ... is true anyway on the surface .. Israel is to blame for any situation .. Here the question is, but what will we do?

        all parties are to blame, Israel, of course, is in the "setup", Yusa is incitement, we are in slovenliness, the Syrians are not trained (the lack of our control is also in our garden). conclusions need to be drawn (in war, as in war) and not anti-Semitic. (this is to Konoshenkov, and of course to Shoigu.

        I have the same opinion .. But Israel is to blame because it is bombing the territory of a foreign state, violating all international standards ..
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 20
          -9
          What norms does Israel violate when it has been at war with Syria since 1948?
          1. Fox
            Fox 24 September 2018 17: 56
            +15
            Quote: ArikKhab
            What norms does Israel violate when at war with Syria since 1948?

            so Russia and the Yaps have not signed a peace treaty since they were 45 ... Tokyo will not bomb something ... although in vain, probably.
            1. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 29 September 2018 15: 35
              0
              So from the Japanese islands the territory of the Russian Federation is not fired. And if they try, they will begin to look at the reaction of the Russian leadership
          2. Foxmara
            Foxmara 25 September 2018 20: 09
            +3
            Generally or in this story? It is believed that Israel, in principle, did not care about all international norms when they were not favorable to it. Here google to help, there is everything.
            If on this situation, then human, Carl. Firstly, they set up those who tried to resolve the conflict with its own interests with Iran, Turkey and Syria.
            Secondly, it organizes terrorist activities, covering international terrorists. And the fact that being at war bombing Syria-Syria itself bombing Israel?
            And the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Israel should generally agitate the world community for establishing a no-fly zone over Israel and displacing its government with a replacement for another, preferably from rebels (local militants), for example from Hezbollah - the United States always does that ..
            1. Ncplc
              Ncplc 25 September 2018 23: 09
              -6
              Foxmara - you’ve definitely boiled your brain, but I didn’t ground it with a foil hat.
              1. Levon kazarian
                Levon kazarian 29 September 2018 22: 31
                +1
                "they just boiled your brain, in vain didn’t grounded the foil hat"

                The use of psychophysical (non-lethal) weapons, roughly speaking, microwave (MKV) irradiation, not on the battlefield, but against unwanted ones, to damage brain tissue and others (a recent example is the invalidation of American and Canadian diplomats in Cuba and China - see https : //graniru.org/Politics/World/US/m.272755.html) - an abomination.
            2. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 29 September 2018 15: 37
              -2
              Respected! Hezbollah is not "rebels", they are terrorists, whom even the League of Arab States has recognized as terrorists. And the fact that they are fighting on the side of Assad / RF does not make them better
          3. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg 29 September 2018 15: 51
            +3
            Israel occupied the lands of the Arab states, in violation of international treaties made its capital Yerusalim - a shrine for the Arab world, and much more.
      2. Sfurei
        Sfurei 24 September 2018 11: 51
        +28
        In this situation, as you describe, even the instructors of the Air Force school are to blame, who did not train the pilots to dodge missiles? Or the mothers who sent them to this school?
        There are facts: the sovereign state of Syria - they are shelling Israel? Are their cities bombed? NO!!! And there are greyhounds from Israel, who do what they want and do by shelling / bombing Syria. If you can challenge these facts - you can further discuss something. And there’s nothing to play on populism ...
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 24 September 2018 12: 28
          +7
          Quote: Sfurei
          In this situation, as you describe, even the instructors of the Air Force school are to blame, who did not train the pilots to dodge missiles? Or the mothers who sent them to this school?

          well, let's do this: the instructors did everything right, the specialists were cool, but there is a word: an order. They said, they flew, this is not discussed. Even if the pilots sensed that it was not necessary to fly there ... the order was not discussed (did they serve in the army?)
          Quote: Sfurei
          There are facts: the sovereign state of Syria - they are shelling Israel? Are their cities bombed? NO!!! And there are greyhounds from Israel, who do what they want and do by shelling / bombing Syria. If you can challenge these facts - you can further discuss something.

          Let us, willingly, while time is enduring (to work in the 2nd soon) if you were in the place of Israel, what would you do? Hezbollah is their enemy, Iran is their enemy - everyone is in Syria, provocations are coming, what would YOU do? express concerns? I understand, this is in the spirit of our leadership ... we have gone far with "concerns" already ... no one thinks about our "concerns" ... and the small country of Israel makes us reckon with. how do you like this ?
          1. Li17
            Li17 24 September 2018 13: 19
            +6
            and the small country of Israel makes you reckon with you. how do you like this ? Well, yes, but we must respect her petty setup? So we will know in the future that it makes no sense to reckon with Israel! We have to work with them adequately for a long time, so that they know that they are a small power, it also has "stupid people" (J. Kedmi) who want to do it "smartly" - at our expense! Therefore, it would be time for ours to use the Turkish + Israeli experience, i.e. similarly for a minute (so that they do not have time to slip away) to warn and knock. And then show a bunch of papers and express sympathy and innocence!
        2. faiver
          faiver 24 September 2018 12: 29
          +11
          blame even the instructors of the Air Force school, who did not train pilots to dodge missiles?
          - on IL-20 dodge missiles? how do you imagine that?
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 29 September 2018 15: 41
            -1
            Found a comment from the network. I'll leave him here. I hope on the forum not only the "sofa troops", but there are also specialists from the Air Defense Forces who can comment on the situation
            PS. And I could not understand why the Russian Defense Ministry at the briefing presented data from the S-400, and not from the S-200 which shot down the plane

            "A little about the downed Il 20 Since I studied the S200V anti-aircraft missile system at a military school and served on it for many years, I can say the following: The Arabs could not confuse the F16 with the Il 20. This is the same as confusing a nail with a comb. On the screen of the capture operator in the K2 cockpit of the С200В complex, Ф16 looks like a nail, well, maybe like three nails together, then the Il20, because of the screws, gives a comb on the screen (in ZRV there was even such a term). Such a flare is given by all propeller-driven aircraft. Let me explain: the primary, almost unprocessed reflected signal from the target comes to the capture operator’s indicator screen. All surfaces of the jet plane from which the signal is reflected are motionless. Therefore, the reflected signal is formed from several "shiny points" of the aircraft, has approximately the same frequency and is usually two or three adjacent vertical lines. From a propeller plane, due to the Doppler effect (the screws on it rotate and give different Doppler additives to the frequency of the reflected signal), the reflected signal in the form of vertical stripes occupies almost the entire screen. These are two types of reflected signals, visually clearly distinguishable. Any training of capture operators, and other members of the combat crew, begins with an explanation of precisely these differences! I am sure that our specialists, who prepared this Arab calculation, explained this to them. Moreover, in the K2 cockpit of the S200V complex there is a regular simulator of targets. On it, the training of the L / C operators and the launch officer and the shooting officer takes place. It provides an imitation of all types of targets, and it perfectly simulates a propeller-driven aircraft. It should be noted that the C200V system is quite difficult to operate and maintain. In order to launch a rocket, you need to make a hell of a bunch of different operations. They must be clearly coordinated with both the K9 combat crew (control center that gives permission to launch) and the K3 combat crew (from which the launch complex of the division is controlled. It is this calculation that prepares the rocket for launch). An unprepared and untrained combat crew would simply not be able to do this. If they managed to launch a rocket, then they were clearly prepared and simply could not know the differences in the marks from the target of the propeller and jet aircraft. I don’t know if the “friend or foe” interrogator is used in Syria. But during my service, the interrogators were not put on the equipment imported abroad. It was a Top Secret technique. There is a version that the Syrian crew first captured, escorted and launched a missile in F16, and they did a missile defense and our plane got into the antenna pattern, with a clearly larger effective reflective surface. A missile was automatically aimed at him, and there was an explosion. Yes, this is possible, but only on one condition - it was necessary to "shine" on our plane with radar. If there was no reflected signal, the rocket would have gone for self-destruction. This means that the Arabs accompanied our aircraft with a radar, and once accompanied, we saw the reflected signal from the target on the capture indicator. Moreover, when changing the target, the capture operator himself had to manually intercept the new target for automatic tracking. If in the process of guiding the missile at the target the type of reflected signal is clearly changed, then any combat crew commander must adequately respond - turn off the power. This is the training of any calculation. When a cruise target missile launched from a Tu16 carrier is fired at a firing range, there is also an empirical opportunity to capture the carrier instead of the ASM. And in all the regulatory documents on live firing, it is strictly indicated that if the type of target changes, it is necessary to immediately stop its tracking. But the occurrence of such a scenario is very unlikely. The directivity pattern of C200B, in missile guidance mode, has a width of 1,5 degrees. And, especially at short ranges, getting into a random aircraft is very difficult. In my opinion, the Arabs understood what they were escorting, and launched the missile consciously. But then “corporate ethics” comes into play. The worst thing for an air defense officer is to miss the target. When we went on combat alert, we were armed with a pistol. In our youth, we asked our commanders why we needed this. Wise people answered that if you miss the target, go and shoot, the prosecutors will save some paper. It was clear to all anti-aircraft missile troops of the country's air defense forces that to remain with missiles on the launch pad after a raid by enemy aircraft was to secure a death sentence for themselves. Most likely, the Arabs took these principles, so they fired at what they saw. But in the evil machinations of the Israeli Air Force, I somehow hardly believe in it. On the contrary, they are interested in military cooperation with us. And the fact that the Arabs place the most “interesting” objects for the Israelis in the immediate vicinity of the location of our troops is no news to anyone.
        3. Vanek
          Vanek 24 September 2018 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: Sfurei
          facts: the sovereign state of Syria - are they shelling Israel? Are their cities bombed? NO!!! And there are greyhounds from Israel - who want to do what they do, shelling / bombing Syria


          Quote: Sfurei
          you can challenge these facts


          What's the point? I mean to argue.

          hi
        4. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 22
          -8
          From the territory of a sovereign state, Syria is still bombarded by Israel, only the Russian media do not reflect this ... So that the picture does not spoil the minds of anti-Semites (it’s clear, Israel is an aggressor ... Syria is suffering ...)
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 September 2018 19: 49
            +5
            Quote: ArikKhab
            From the territory of the sovereign state of Syria still shelling Israel

            There is nothing to do with the ATS, except for all problems, and also to start a database with Israel.
            And an interesting fact - every time when an incomprehensible shell fell on the territory of Israel and the IDF bambil the Syrians, as soon as the terrorist attack began. Accidentally.
      3. bolt
        bolt 24 September 2018 13: 12
        0
        You, Andrei Yurievich, are living proof of what the author writes about.
        Here is the beginning of the article
        ... A special operation of the Israeli intelligence services began in the Russian media aimed at mitigating the consequences of the loss of the Il-20 aircraft by the Russian air forces in Syria ...

        And here is the beginning of your comment
        ...all parties are to blame ...

        And here is a sequel
        ...but not anti-venom. (this is to Konoshenkov, and certainly to Shoigu ...

        Can you change the inscription on the back? Maybe there is another word more appropriate?
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    3. Lena363
      Lena363 27 September 2018 10: 58
      0
      Express deep concern and call for peace.
  2. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 24 September 2018 11: 09
    +10
    these are not only Jewish speculators. This is ordinary trolling. Opposition forces and ordinary offenders by power and just trolls are doing this. Remember winter cherries.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 September 2018 11: 36
      +9
      By the way, this is valid. Many of my acquaintances from work have become negative about the operation in Syria.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 24
      0
      But what about the fact that the plane was shot down by Syrian air defense? Also propaganda?
      1. Ncplc
        Ncplc 25 September 2018 14: 53
        -5
        Of course, propaganda! Still what you really cook that the Syrians would hit? It is the Israelis who bent the backlight rays and sent them to the IL, these are the cross)))))).
  3. Leclerc
    Leclerc 24 September 2018 11: 15
    -20
    Smart people have long understood that those who shot down the plane should be responsible for the murder of the pilots, with the connivance of those who sent it on the mission. Tales about what was warned a minute before and IL did not have time to go to a safe area, are completely refuted by the Russian Ministry of Defense and the animation studio. It turned out that IL himself flew for another 23 minutes, in the very heat. Konashenkov at the briefing, he chose not to answer this question, but scored the air with general phrases and slogans, demagogy about ingratitude and events starting with Tsar Pea. Smoke screen distracting from the point, but "people hawala" worked.

    The Ministry of Defense of Russia continues to bend its line so as not to be known as those who cannot be trusted. The Israelis do not want to enter into a dispute, despite the fact that they have serious arguments, essentially facts. The GDP does not want to offend its generals, although it’s to blame, therefore the country's leadership is silent if you notice, meanwhile, stars are flying backstage from shoulder straps. The debate will continue for some time, there will be threats of supplies and other things, so that the people's anger subsided by the rash statements of the Minister of Defense Shoigu and Co. will subside.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 24 September 2018 11: 36
      +21
      Quote: Leclerc
      -8
      Smart people have long understood that those who shot down a plane should be responsible for killing pilots,

      If you consider yourself smart, ask yourself a question .. and with what .. Israel is bombing the territory of a foreign state? This is a crime .. For this reason - they are already guilty ..
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      2. Leclerc
        Leclerc 24 September 2018 11: 59
        -13
        If you consider yourself smart, ask yourself a question .. and with what .. Israel is bombing the territory of a foreign state? This is a crime .. For this reason - they are already guilty


        This question has already been answered a trillion times, but I will answer.

        There is a kind of war between Israel and Syria. But the matter is far from the official status of relations between countries, the fact is that this is behind it. More recently, in 2006, Hezbola stuffed with weapons decided on a military adventure. The weapons are mostly Russian, transferred by Syria and Iran. The weapons that destroyed Israeli cities burned equipment and people. Assad with comrades from Iran, as well as many including Russian political and military leaders sat smiling and talked about the power of Russian weapons. When the Israelis handed over to the Russian military the boxes taken from the Hezbalats, on which it was written "from such and lovingly the Ministry of Defense of Syria / Iran", they only smiled awkwardly and promised to sort it out, did not understand it.

        Since then, the Israelis have decided that they will do everything to not trust the lives of their citizens at the mercy of someone, for example, Russia. So no, not a crime, not guilty.

        Then you can rant and wave your fists for a long time, or you can calm down and ask yourself the question - Are the choice of friends and enemies right, are the decisions wise, will they benefit the people?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 24 September 2018 12: 09
          +12
          Quote: Leclerc
          There is a kind of war between Israel and Syria.

          That's just as if .. Israel is at war with Syria and Syria is not at war with Israel.
        2. Yura
          Yura 24 September 2018 14: 39
          +8
          Quote: Leclerc
          More recently, in 2006, Hezbola stuffed with weapons decided on a military adventure. Weapons mainly

          At the same time, Israel supplied weapons and trained the Georgian military (2008) and Saakashvili decided on a military adventure. Weapons and Israeli and American, as well as NATO member countries. Is it correct to conclude that Israel is rather an enemy of Russia than a friend? Israel could generally stay aloof from the Syrian events, knowing that Russia is conducting a peacekeeping mission there, if by and large. Israel acts rather as an enemy of Russia, helping terrorists of all stripes, killing those who are fighting with them. Is it correct to conclude that Israel is more an enemy of Russia than a friend? We did not choose Israel as an enemy, but if they themselves decided to be them, then they are enemies. Have you decided to justify the provocations, the murder of Israel by the fact that we do not need friends whose meanness from mythology has become a reality? Don't worry about our people, we ourselves will figure out what's what. The fact that Israel has no right to be called even a "partner", it proves frankly, treacherously and arrogantly, and this is punishable.
        3. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 24 September 2018 15: 03
          +7
          Quote: Leclerc
          The weapons that destroyed Israeli cities burned equipment and people

          But what can the Syrians say when those who kill and slaughter them are treated in Israeli hospitals, and Israeli helicopters save the Igil leaders? wink
      3. Professor
        Professor 24 September 2018 12: 11
        -17
        Quote: Svarog
        If you consider yourself smart, ask yourself a question .. and with what .. Israel is bombing the territory of a foreign state? This is a crime .. For this reason - they are already guilty ..

        Syria attacked Israel. We are at war with Syria, Cap. Learn it at last.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 24 September 2018 12: 27
          +12
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Svarog
          If you consider yourself smart, ask yourself a question .. and with what .. Israel is bombing the territory of a foreign state? This is a crime .. For this reason - they are already guilty ..

          Syria attacked Israel. We are at war with Syria, Cap. Learn it at last.

          When did it happen? When Syria attacked you .. In my opinion, Syria is now not up to you at all .. She is being bombed by everyone and sundry .. and you are in the forefront .. On what basis are you bombing Syria? Why don't you bomb Iran?
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 September 2018 12: 40
            -7
            Quote: Svarog
            When did it happen? When Syria attacked you ..

            Constantly since the 1948 year, Cap.

            Quote: Svarog
            In my opinion, Syria is generally not up to you now ..

            In your? We bomb Syria only in response to the shelling of our territory. we also bomb terrorist warehouses in Syria. Not the warehouse of Assad.

            Quote: Svarog
            On what basis do you bomb Syria? Why don't you bomb Iran?

            Because we are in a state of war with Syria, and not with Iran, the captain is obvious. fellow
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 24 September 2018 13: 09
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              not with Iran, captain of evidence.

              But Iran is fighting, in fact, with you in Syria
              Quote: Professor
              We bomb Syria only in response to the shelling of our territory. we also bomb terrorist warehouses in Syria. Not the warehouse of Assad.

              But Assad is not shelling your territory .. In general, it’s difficult there of course everything you have .. such an interweaving of different interests .. Do you have your own vision on how to stop the endless war in the BV?
            2. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich 24 September 2018 15: 12
              +9
              Quote: Professor
              we also bomb terrorist warehouses in Syria.

              Nu-nu, Oleg ... only the warehouses are either Syrian, let it be, say, Iranian, but not Igilov. A strange picture is obtained in Syria: Russia is fighting ISIS at the invitation of Syria, Iran is fighting ISIS, suppose, at the invitation of Syria (we will not interfere in religious clashes and whispering) - the fact is that these forces are REALLY fighting ISIS. Israel heals ISIS, Israel does not bomb ISIS, for which Israel, under its pretexts, is bombing those who are fighting (really, not like America with Israel) against real ISIS terrorists smile And after that, should we believe in the purity of the thoughts of Israel?
            3. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 24 September 2018 16: 42
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              When did it happen? When Syria attacked you ..

              Constantly since the 1948 year, Cap.

              And what is so "modest"? Since 1948 ... why not declare: since 1148? From the birth of Christ, or to our era? What is the "difference" now? And now for us .... that you can legally (in your opinion ...) attack Poland? Or Turkey? In revenge ! After all, these "radishes" have attacked us how many times! And France ... Germany can be claimed ... based on the "formula of the professor fellow
              Quote: Professor
              We bomb Syria only in response to the shelling of our territory. we also bomb terrorist warehouses in Syria. Not the warehouse of Assad.

              And what, professor .... if we start "debit with credit" to reduce: how many times the Syrians fired on Israel; and how many times Israel fired on Syria ... from the beginning of the 21st century, at least ... In whose favor will the balance be? And then, basically, "heard" only about Israeli raids on far-fetched pretexts ...
              Quote: Professor
              Because we are at war with Syria,

              So why are you then behindikayou are that the Syrians are "wrongfully" attacking you?
        2. Vanek
          Vanek 24 September 2018 12: 35
          +12
          Quote: Professor
          Syria attacked Israel


          The fact that you have a sluggish conflict there is somehow in the know.

          Only still aware that you are bombing Syria !, and not Syria.

          I haven’t seen a single Syrian plane either over tel-a-viv, or over the ilat, or anywhere else,
        3. Yura
          Yura 24 September 2018 14: 42
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          Syria attacked Israel. We are at war with Syria,

          Israel attacked Russia, are we in a state of war with Israel? If you think so. Are not afraid?
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 24 September 2018 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Svarog
          If you consider yourself smart, ask yourself a question .. and with what .. Israel is bombing the territory of a foreign state? This is a crime .. For this reason - they are already guilty ..

          Syria attacked Israel. We are at war with Syria, Cap. Learn it at last.

          You stole the lands from the Arabs, not Syria.
          Until you finish, do not calm down? Masochists, damn it, perverted. Or so sure of the global lobby? One day, something may not grow together, that of Israel - for a 2-hour artillery preparation, no one will have time to call anyone.
      4. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 29
        +1
        Syria and Israel are at war. Syria is shelling Israeli territory, but this is not a crime, right? Jews live there, they are not sorry - so it turns out? Syria also sheltered and supplies Hezbollah with Iran, which crushed Lebanon and regularly hammer Israel. And also deliveries of wonderful rockets to Hamas. But it doesn’t matter, it’s not a crime ....
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 29 September 2018 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: ArikKhab
          Syria and Israel are at war. Syria is shelling Israeli territory, but this is not a crime, right?

          That is, shelling from territories on which the SAA was not at all (but there were many groups of terrorists), is shelling by Syria as a state? It’s convenient ... So, if Palestinian terrorists fire from the territory of Israel, say, Lebanon or Egypt, that’s a funky Belli incident! Again, convenient ...
          Quote: ArikKhab
          Syria also sheltered and supplies Hezbollah with Iran, which crushed Lebanon and regularly hammer Israel.

          Syria even now has such a situation (and even four or five years ago - generally atas!) That she needs help from everyone who is ready to help. Hezbollah helps, fighting ISIS (banned in Russia). And yes, Syria is at war with Israel, right? Why wet those who harm your enemy? That's just honest.
          Quote: ArikKhab
          And also deliveries of wonderful rockets to Hamas.

          A. And please give a reference to the Old about this. If it’s not difficult to find them, of course.
    2. figwam
      figwam 24 September 2018 11: 49
      +10
      Quote: Leclerc
      -8
      Smart people have long understood ...

      Smart people understand that if an accident occurred in your fault on the road in which people also died, then the one who provoked this accident is to blame, in this case Israel.
    3. Cop
      Cop 24 September 2018 11: 49
      +13
      Quote: Leclerc
      Smart people have long understood that those who shot down an airplane should be responsible for killing pilots
      Well of course. Minister of Defense, Air Force Commander and 4 re pilots. They shot down ....
      Quote: Leclerc
      It turned out that the IL itself flew for another 23 minutes, in the thick of it ..
      Of course, in hell ..., the Jews said, "Yes, the guys are fine there, we hit the north." And our people believed ...
      Quote: Leclerc
      Konashenkov at the briefing, he chose not to answer this question, but scored the air with general phrases and slogans, demagogy about ingratitude and events starting with Tsar Pea. Smoke screen distracting from the point, but "people hawala" worked.
      What should he say? That the air defense officer of the VVB "Khmeimin" was mistaken in sending Il to land, and not giving him the command to leave in the direction of Turkey? So this is not a mistake, but a consequence of the Israeli lies.
      Quote: Leclerc
      The Ministry of Defense of Russia continues to bend its line so as not to be known as those whom it is impossible to trust. The Israelis do not want to enter into a dispute, despite the fact that they have serious arguments, in fact facts.
      Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. But the Jews do not want to enter into an argument, because they have nothing to say and are sitting like mice under a broom.
      Quote: Leclerc
      The GDP does not want to offend its generals, although it’s to blame, therefore the country's leadership is silent if you notice, meanwhile, stars are flying backstage from shoulder straps. The debate will continue for some time, there will be threats of supplies and other things, so that the popular anger subsided by the rash statements of the Minister of Defense Shoigu and Co. will subside.
      Russian generals are not to blame for anything, so Putin does not say anything to them. And popular anger is directed ... at Jewish treachery. And you re-read the training manual before voicing Jewish ravings ......
      1. Leclerc
        Leclerc 24 September 2018 12: 30
        -7
        Of course, in the heat ..., the Jews said, "Yes, the guys are fine there, we are hitting the north." And our people believed


        IL flew 23 minutes after! after the strike was made, the four F-16s were clearly visible on Russian screens, conversations about the north and said, believed, were no longer relevant. Can this moment not reach you? Do you really hate logic and enjoy demagogy with pluses?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 24 September 2018 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Leclerc
          IL flew 23 minutes after

          Can the source be?
        2. Cop
          Cop 25 September 2018 00: 43
          +2
          Quote: Leclerc
          IL flew 23 minutes after! after the blow was made .....
          So what? While the bombs flew, while the Syrians realized that they were being bombed, while they contacted ours, while ours found out from the Jews, 23 minutes passed.
          Quote: Leclerc
          .... the four F-16s were clearly visible on Russian screens, conversations about the north and said, believed, were no longer relevant ...
          Of course they were visible. Not relevant, this is just for you. If, having fired, the F-16s had turned and left, for example, towards Cyprus, then there would have been nothing. So no, they stood up in a bookcase, cut off electronic warfare, especially so that the Syrians would definitely notice them. And then, when they realized that they were irradiated, 5H62 flew closer. And the Syrians rightly felt that a second strike was beginning .....
          Quote: Leclerc
          Can this moment not reach you? Do you really hate logic and enjoy demagogy with pluses?
          It just very well reaches me and my logic is iron, unlike your demagogy. And to me it is violet who and what sets me. I am for ... the state is insulting.
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 34
        0
        But Latakia is not located near the northern border of Syria? This is certainly not the northernmost point of Syria, but even the MO cartoon has been hit by NORTH Latakia, so where is the contradiction?
        1. Cop
          Cop 25 September 2018 00: 49
          0
          Quote: ArikKhab
          But Latakia is not located near the northern border of Syria? This is certainly not the northernmost point of Syria, but even the MO cartoon has been hit by NORTH Latakia, so where is the contradiction?
          What is nonsense, you think about "Khmeimim".
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 10 November 2018 09: 25
            0
            I count on the map. Lataaiah is located in the northwest of Syria. Almost on the border with Turkey. You can count on Khmeimim or on Damascus, no difference
            1. Cop
              Cop 15 November 2018 22: 17
              0
              Quote: ArikKhab
              I count on the map. Lataaiah is located in the northwest of Syria. Almost on the border with Turkey. You can count on Khmeimim or on Damascus, no difference
              So the Israeli side said that the strike to the north Syria.
    4. Victorio
      Victorio 24 September 2018 12: 45
      -1
      Quote: Leclerc
      Israelis do not want to argue, despite the fact that have serious arguments, in fact the facts.

      ====
      facts versus facts, case for investigation. but everything is clear to you.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 45
        0
        So far, the Russian Defense Ministry has not released the data of the Israelis. I did not apply for information to the French. And they were closest to the scene of the disaster. Only cartoons with half-truth (which is worse than a lie) an indication of time without height and distance between aircraft
        By the way, even in the cartoon, IL was over land northeast of Khmeimim during the Israeli strike - see for yourself ... And why didn’t he go to Khmeimim from there, but went to the sea? impossible to explain. But the Jews are to blame
        1. Cop
          Cop 25 September 2018 01: 01
          +3
          Quote: ArikKhab
          So far, the Russian Defense Ministry has not released the data of the Israelis. I did not apply for information to the French.
          And where does the Russian Defense Ministry? Let the Jews take off their cartoon.
          Quote: ArikKhab
          And they were closest to the scene of the disaster. Only cartoons with half-truth (which is worse than a lie) an indication of time without height and distance between aircraft
          Some kind of crap, everything was indicated and the height and azimuth.
          Quote: ArikKhab
          And why didn’t he sit in Khmeimim from there, but go to the sea? impossible to explain. But the Jews are to blame
          Because they all come to land from the sea, so that they would not get from the land with MANPADS. You, if you have already undertaken the Jews "otmazyvat" so at least show your qualifications .....
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 10 November 2018 09: 21
            0
            Show qualifications - what is the resolution (the ability to differentiate 2 different air targets) in the S-200 complex? How far should the F-16 have approached the IL-20 so that the marks on the radar screen would coincide (that is, in order to "hide" behind the IL)? What does the mark from the fighter and from the turboprop look like on the C-200 screen?
            Which of the MORF leadership resigned / punished after the disaster?
            And more ... As you probably understand, this area of ​​Syria is under the close supervision of many intelligence services from different countries of the world. They perfectly "saw" who was wrong and what exactly happened. There is no doubt that if (say, the Turks who are actively monitoring the area) had "friend Erdogan" at least something proving "the guilt of the Israelis", he would not have used (taking into account the relations between Turkey and Israel) to trumpet the whole world about it. But no, silence ...
            1. Cop
              Cop 15 November 2018 22: 03
              0
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Show qualification - what is the resolution (the ability to differentiate 2 different air targets) of the S-200?
              So you didn’t say anything about it .....
              Quote: ArikKhab
              How far should the F-16 have approached the IL-20 so that the marks on the radar screen would coincide (that is, in order to "hide" behind the IL)?
              So Mr. Konashenkov answered this question and as far as I remember it was 70 km.
              Quote: ArikKhab
              What does the mark from a fighter and from a turboprop aircraft look like on the S-200 screen?
              You have not formulated the question correctly. I would understand if you asked who the reflected signal from the semi-active GOS 5G24 5V28 rocket is higher ... laughing
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Which of the MORF leadership resigned / punished after the disaster?
              Why should they be punished? They said everything was as it was. At first, the Israeli side said that our ... flyers were already relieving stress in the nearest pub. And, these Arabs just started shooting ... Then it is true that someone smart in the IDF or Hel ha'Avir-re drew on that this is only possible if their flyers have mastered teleportation and together with airplanes ... laughing And the statement that they were warned not in one minute .... I just want to ask, but for how much? In a minute and five seconds? For this lie, who was punished in the IDF or Hel ha'Avir?
              Quote: ArikKhab
              And more ... As you probably understand, this area of ​​Syria is under the close supervision of many intelligence services from different countries of the world. They perfectly "saw" who was wrong and what exactly happened.
              Could you list what intelligence and what means they do it. I enjoy reading .... :).
              Quote: ArikKhab
              There is no doubt that if (say, the Turks who are actively monitoring the area) had "friend Erdogan" at least something proving "the guilt of the Israelis", he would not have used (taking into account the relations between Turkey and Israel) to trumpet the whole world about it. But no, silence ...
              Nonsense ..... The Turkish "sultan" understands everything, you don’t interfere with him in Syria, he doesn’t make "slander" against you ......
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      1. Cop
        Cop 26 September 2018 08: 44
        +2
        Quote: Ncplc
        Leclerc pack the Israeli propaganda here! Of course, we are to blame, we must act like the right Soviet, sorry Russian pilots- I saw that you were irradiated by the wait and wait for the shot down to spin, be a real warrior, but how can poor Syrians train? I’d stand still and everything would be good.

        That's what it means .... Soviet education .... laughing It turns out that "Soviet Jews" moving to their historical homeland in their hearts remain ..... "Soviet Jews". And I didn't even know about this ... what How nice it would be if in the cabin of the falcon, well, the one who first flew up and then hid, sitting ... another "Soviet Jew". I think that as soon as he saw that 5B21 was turning towards the Russian Ila, he immediately threw himself with his chest, in the sense of his falcon towards her, and 30 seconds before the collision he would have pulled the handle of the catapult. Of course, the Russian sailors then rushed to save the Hero. They would have fished out of the water wet, trembling, but alive. VVP would invite the hero and Bibi to the Kremlin. I would give the hero a hero, his name would be a school somewhere in Birobidzhan .... Yes, after such a Russian and a Jew would just become ... brothers forever. Imagine how many real "Soviet Russians and Jews" would appear on this site after that. Yes, after this we are not afraid of any Leclerc ... Are you really against such ... friendship? In general, with all my heart I wish you continued success in promoting Russian-Jewish friendship !!! We wish we had more such smart, creative, ardently loving their Motherland, even though the former ... Sincerely yours ... wink
  4. gsev
    gsev 24 September 2018 11: 15
    +18
    In general, Arabs at the domestic level introduced effective sanctions against Israel. Why not purposefully spoil the competition with the suppliers of Israeli products to Russia? If Israel kills Russia's allies in Syria, then it is our fierce enemy. It is necessary to help Shiites organize effective air defense and aviation. Israel must incur exorbitant expenses for supporting Islamic extremists. Yes, and we must stop buying publications that promote the actions of Israel. Let him pay for the labor of his foreign agents.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 September 2018 11: 38
      +6
      There, these products are for a penny ... everything is tied to other interests, this is a complete disgust from our fat belts and their proteges!
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Shiites are allies of Russia ??? Iran with Hezbollah? What is it, my friend?
      And sanctions against Israel ... You probably have not been to Israel - 90% of the products and most of the goods on the shelves of local production. Any imported product has a local equivalent. So that...
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 29 September 2018 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: ArikKhab
        Shiites are allies of Russia ??? Iran with Hezbollah? What is it, my friend?

        Everything is fine with my friend. Not "brothers forever" Russia and Iran, but at the moment (especially when the US is pressing both) the goals in the region coincide. So for now, yes, allies. What will happen next - we'll see.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 10 November 2018 09: 05
          0
          You are grossly mistaken. Even at the moment, the goals of Iran and the Russian Federation in Syria do not coincide in nothing. If ISIS had not climbed into the "plot" of Iran (that is, Syria, which Iran considers as its fiefdom + a springboard for attacking Israel), then the existence of ISIS would not have hindered the Iranians. If ISIS leaves important areas for Iran in Syria and heads towards (say) the Saudis, then Iran's war with ISIS will immediately end
      2. gsev
        gsev 9 November 2018 07: 22
        0
        But is the Israeli infantry destroying ISIS in Syria? In my opinion, Iranian. In some anti-Soviet opuses, the NTS wrote about Kaminsky as a Polish and Russian patriot who refused to suppress the uprising in Warsaw. Although I more believe the stories that the SS-sheep hair moved when they were told about the atrocities of his henchmen. Yes, and Israel needs to look carefully at who is fighting in Hezbollah against ISIS. Maybe ordinary Hezbollah fighters represent the least danger to Jews among all Muslims?
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 10 November 2018 08: 58
          0
          What danger does it pose for the surrounding Hezbollah countries with what remains of Lebanon after the invasion of this organization there with the complicity of Iran.
          What do the "rank and file fighters" of the Islamic terrorist organization Hezbollah decide? I'm afraid that little less than nothing
          1. gsev
            gsev 10 November 2018 09: 58
            0
            The Hezbollah forces in Syria and Iran are not a homogeneous system. Perhaps their leadership for Israel is like the Banderites for the Russians. But the rank and file fighters fighting in Iranian units in Syria are many recruited in Pakistan or Afghanistan. For their service there, they are promised housing and the opportunity to work in Iran. I think Israel is not the main irritant for these people. Iran has a rather hostile attitude towards immigrants from neighboring countries. The inscription "No entry for Afghans" is not uncommon in Afghanistan. An illegal working in Iran will be reported faster than a Jew hiding in Nazi Germany. When Hezbollah veterans or their relatives experience segregation as in South Africa in the 1970s or Germany after 1933, Hezbollah is difficult to be considered a homogeneous organization. The construction of a pair of factories in Pakistan or Afghanistan that manufacture products for the local market would secure Israel from Hezbollah cheaper and more efficiently than air strikes in Syria. Israel's experience in building unmanned aerial vehicles in Azerbaijan seems to be recognized as successful, and the shortage of ethnic Iranians speaks volumes. Shouts of a just fight between Israel and Hezbola in Syria through air strikes are intended to hide the fact that Israel is actively opposing attempts to neutralize the most odious groups in the ranks of the anti-Assalov forces, which are dangerous to anyone who does not accept the ideology of these extremists. At one time, Israel, fighting Fatah, considered Hamas a temporary ally. As a result, by his actions, he aggravated the problems of Hamas for another 20 years. FATH, by that time, grew old and stopped active activity. Does Israel need new problems after 20 years from those whom it now actually supports with airstrikes? In addition, blood feud in the Shiite communities of the Afghan-Pakistani borderlands must also be taken into account. Russia seeks to minimize damage to its allies in Syria. It will turn out great by diplomatic methods, the supply of expensive equipment is not a very favorable option, but the military-terrorist method will do.
      3. gsev
        gsev 9 November 2018 07: 27
        0
        I didn’t mean it that way. For example, the Israeli company Vichy was not able to buy only Chinese Zemik and Keli from good manufacturers of tensometric equipment. Why not try switching to Chinese products.
    3. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 21 November 2018 00: 52
      0
      Arabs imposed sanctions against Israel? And what do Arabs trade with Israel and how can they put pressure on Israelis like that?
  5. D. Dan
    D. Dan 24 September 2018 11: 17
    +16
    Greetings, dear! Israel is to blame for sure, and they have grown to the limit, and you and I can influence that each article will be reposted and shown to friends !!! I'm laying out right now!
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 51
      -1
      The fact that the Kryoruki Syrian air defense shot down (without the help of the leadership of the Russian forces, because everyone knows who gives permission to fly such sides) the Russian crew - Israel is to blame for this, definitely ....
  6. MoJloT
    MoJloT 24 September 2018 11: 19
    +13
    Here in VO they ran into such a quantity, for all the time there were not so many. And they all kind of condole and worry ... Jewish tricks! Blood for blood...
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 11: 37
      +10
      Quote: MoJloT
      Here in VO they ran into such a quantity, for all the time there were not so many. And they all kind of condole and worry ... Jewish tricks! Blood for blood...

      So here a lot of people came running. Bandera’s learned to use a VPN, and they don’t go under their Down ensign, and then they begin to throw on the fan in the style of the daughter of a Crimean officer.
  7. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 24 September 2018 11: 20
    -1
    And why no one screams that the United States is to blame? If you look at the origins of these hostilities, the United States, the Britons and the French are to blame.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 24 September 2018 11: 25
      0
      If even deeper, Eve is to blame for everything.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 24 September 2018 11: 27
        -1
        Well, she is often "punished"
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 24 September 2018 11: 36
          +5
          My son had to answer if I am not confusing anything. Poorly versed in religions. The church is a kind of state, moreover, the most deceitful one. No need to hide more heads in the sand of celestial things, but proudly hold it, the earth's head, which creates the meaning of the earth!
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 24 September 2018 11: 57
            +1
            If it weren't for the United States, no one would be particularly twitching either in the Middle East or because of a puddle. It would be a little quieter. But Israel is increasingly offering to "punish". Do not think that I am protecting someone.
    2. Trol_2
      Trol_2 27 September 2018 01: 21
      0
      Absolutely no fucking objection to you. I do not excuse Israel, but they are completely dependent on the United States and simply cannot but fulfill their commands. Israel does not bomb ISIS, it helps and treats them, not out of love for these terrorists. And because the United States needs these terrorists to fight Assad.
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 September 2018 11: 29
    +10
    I agree with the cover of ISIS militants by Israel. Israel is somehow selective about the classification of certain forces. The entire "enlightened" Western world "is fighting ISIS, and Israel is bombing those who are fighting them, not the terrorists themselves. Terrorists they always have something different ... Then Israeli and American medical equipment is found on the repulsed from ISIS. points ... That Israel helps the ISIS leaders to get out of the blow ... As it is interesting, Israel is watching over its interests. wassat request
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 11: 41
      +10
      Andrei, is it something new that kosher treats barmalev at home? And how much CAA picked out kosher weapons from flea caches! All trouble BV in this small, but very noisy territorial formation. PS Read until deleted. In VO powerful Jewish control. God forbid, what bad can you say about kosher. Let the ban, spit.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 24 September 2018 12: 25
        +4
        ... and you want Chi Schaub, this campaign has returned to our penises? We have a second Israel, and everything in positions from and to ... and the number is the legion ..
        1. Nikolai Petrov
          Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 28
          +3
          Faith, I mean the same thing. There is no arguing with you.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 55
      0
      Can i ask you ? Are Hezbollah terrorists?
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 24 September 2018 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: ArikKhab
        Can i ask you ? Are Hezbollah terrorists?
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0

        Are the guerrillas of the Bryansk region terrorists? (You will find the links yourself)
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 21 November 2018 00: 56
          0
          Bryansk partisans defended their land, but Hezbollah in Syria is defending what? Iranian interests? In a year or two, ISIS will be crushed, and then how will the Russian Federation divide Syria with the "allies"? Look a little beyond your own nose
  9. Holsten
    Holsten 24 September 2018 11: 29
    +3
    Therefore, we can safely say that the position of Israel, to put it mildly, is extremely hypocritical, and its actions directly border on what can be described as a war crime. [Quote] [/ quote]
    Is it wise to blame the scorpion for stinging? The main thing is not to forget that it is his nature.
  10. Shahno
    Shahno 24 September 2018 11: 34
    -18
    A seditious thought, or maybe it's not a Mossad? And some citizens have a different opinion from you.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 September 2018 11: 41
      +4
      read the media and comments of Israel "hand reached for the pistol"
    2. MoJloT
      MoJloT 24 September 2018 11: 44
      +8
      Not seditious, but kosher.
    3. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 24 September 2018 11: 47
      +4
      Is it possible? Yesterday there was such a thought, even in the news, that it could be a setup for Netanyahu by the military. Maybe, but the fact of the setup is obvious! And who is more to blame, and who is less, let the commissions figure it out. By the way, they framed not only
      Netanyahu, but also GDP with the MO!
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 24 September 2018 12: 00
        -3
        The setup is obvious. It would be foolish to suppose that ours then set themselves up on purpose (hence the statement about the tragic chain of accidents). Rather, there is a nonsense in the serious question.
        P. S What the hell was the Colonel talking about "north" ...
        1. faiver
          faiver 24 September 2018 12: 37
          +1
          I admit that this did not happen intentionally, but the leadership of your country is not behaving correctly
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 24 September 2018 14: 45
          +1
          Quote: Shahno
          P. S What the hell was the Colonel talking about "north" ...

          Starting to reach? wink You plus for it yes
          Does it come to light that Israel is not sinless in this tragic chain of accidents? What prevented you from telling the truth about the strikes in the west, so that the plane would not fly to where your planes were? What prevented you from reporting not in the minute of the impact, but in 20 minutes (at least), so that the plane would actually get to the airfield? THIS IS EXACTLY IN THIS IS ISRAEL'S WINE, and not in the "curvature" of the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners. YOU brought the IL-20 there, but they did not fly ...
          Now disentangle the consequences of your actions. you were warned that the death of the Russians would be a red line ... You played the war game - wherever we want, there we bomb, when we want, then we bomb ... request hi
        3. Li17
          Li17 24 September 2018 17: 17
          +2
          I will correct it. Frames. First, our plane was substituted for itself. Second, the calculation of air defense. Third, their vaunted Air Force - which essentially became ordinary killers! Fourth, its vaunted nation is the most intelligent and business! And fifthly, you are now substituting for obvious nonsense about your misfortunes, like we are small and forced ... - I can add openly, such mean-spirited ones!
      2. ver_
        ver_ 24 September 2018 12: 33
        +1
        ... there is a plus in any minus - they won’t click for nothing ... What is the danger of a wolf? ..He does not tame - he creates a view ...., waits for a moment and throws himself at the * master * - the old hunters know this ...
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 24 September 2018 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: ver_
          ... there is a plus in any minus - they won’t click for nothing ... What is the danger of a wolf? ..He does not tame - he creates a view ...., waits for a moment and throws himself at the * master * - the old hunters know this ...

          Type in the search And the wolves remember the good. It is not about Israel.
          1. ver_
            ver_ 10 October 2018 05: 39
            0
            ... an exception to the rule - they emphasize the rule ..., the Crocodile comes to his savior, Vulture flies once a year to his savior, the penguin * visits * his savior ... and so on ...
      3. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 57
        0
        So far, the situation is most beneficial to Iran ... Israel bombed its base
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 24 September 2018 11: 47
      +7
      Quote: Shahno
      A seditious thought, or maybe it's not a Mossad? And some citizens have a different opinion from you.

      We have such "citizens" as dirt on our TV channels.


      1. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 10
        +3
        Well, what about Glory Bald (Kovtun), you're in vain. Without it, it's even boring on the programs. And so, at an uneven hour, the bandier and in the zradnyki (traitors) will write it down. So what? Grimaced on "aggressor" TV, got pennies, bought an apartment in Moscow and lives happily ever after in the capital of the aggressor. Can you imagine Ilya Ehrenburg in Berlin (although you can't finish writing a Jew to Slava even after beer) on the radio of the 3rd Reich?
        1. Li17
          Li17 24 September 2018 17: 22
          +1
          The funny thing is that according to UkrTV, the channel is huge, in all seriousness there were accusations that Kovtun and Yakhno are agents of the Kremlin, because the image of Ukraine suffers from such nonsense! In all seriousness, it was stated that it was specially done and that nobody except them will be allowed on our TV! In short zrad around. True, the truth was washed away, but the clown remained. .
      2. faiver
        faiver 24 September 2018 12: 38
        +3
        We have such "citizens" as dirt on our TV channels.
        - I would say what they are called, because they will ban ....
    5. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 11: 47
      +4
      Pavel, from you all the trouble on the planet. Maybe you’ll roll away all the kagal to Mars, and it will become cleaner on Earth, but the Martians will not be glad to see you. You will begin to parasitize there.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 September 2018 12: 15
        -8
        Quote: Nikolai Petrov
        Pavel, from you all the trouble on the planet. Maybe you’ll roll away all the kagal to Mars, and it will become cleaner on Earth, but the Martians will not be glad to see you. You will begin to parasitize there.

        Mars is expensive. Gas stoves are cheaper.
        1. Nikolai Petrov
          Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 18
          +10
          Professor, about gas stoves, the question is inappropriate. You made a mistake with the address, it’s for you in Europe. There they will arrange for you both stoves and gas, a matter of time. Because you are tired of everyone worse than the bitter radish.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 September 2018 12: 26
            -5
            Quote: Nikolai Petrov
            Professor, about gas stoves, the question is inappropriate. You made a mistake with the address, it’s for you in Europe. There they will arrange for you both stoves and gas, a matter of time. Because you are tired of everyone worse than the bitter radish.

            Well yes. To the east are executions and pogroms. Thank you for correcting. The main thing is, in your opinion, to finally solve the Jewish question. Yes? Although the main thing on the Mars of the Jews is that they no longer exist on Earth. Bravo.
            1. Nikolai Petrov
              Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 35
              0
              And there will be silence and grace. No offense. Or maybe he was possessed with respect to your tribe and rights?
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 September 2018 12: 01
                -2
                Quote: Nikolai Petrov
                And there will be silence and grace. No offense. Or maybe he was possessed with respect to your tribe and rights?

                Hitler’s cause lives and thrives.
                1. gsev
                  gsev 9 November 2018 07: 33
                  0
                  In Ukraine, Hitler’s case is well funded by Kolomoisky.
        2. faiver
          faiver 24 September 2018 12: 41
          +4
          We see that your protection has been worked out, only in those ovens not only the sons of Israel were burned ...
        3. sib.ataman
          sib.ataman 24 September 2018 12: 45
          +1
          And here are the ovens !? If a nuclear mushroom shuffles, the oven will be everything! And if everyone deals with such setups, then the mushroom is not far!
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2018 11: 35
    +5
    Quote: Leclerc
    Smart people have long understood that those who shot down should be responsible for killing pilots

    Well, yes, yes, but very smart people understand that the one who invented / made the rocket is to blame, etc.
    With all my equal treatment of the chosen ones, they are moving from the category of NOT A FRIEND to the category of PROVOCATOR and HORN!
    There is no other interpretation of their gang activity!
    And the trolleys and all sorts of different daughters / brides, and even from the Pope’s Rostov, are just an accompanying noise ... nothing depends on it, selfish interests on the top and next to him decide everything.
    We will see.
  12. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 11: 36
    +2
    Well, "news"! It has been held since 1985, and it has been successful for kosher. It makes me sick.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 24 September 2018 12: 36
      +1
      ... not since 1985, but since 1917 .. and even much earlier ...
      1. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 49
        +2
        Since 1917 I agree, but Stalin strangled this evil.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 24 September 2018 14: 16
          -1
          ... no, when Stalin wanted to deport all Jews from Moscow to Birobidzhan, Beria and Kaganovich poisoned him ..- did not know? ..
          1. Nikolai Petrov
            Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 14: 31
            -1
            Faith, this is not news.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 27 September 2018 08: 42
              -1
              ... look - Shikoko disagree with us - they namusuyut - however, the truth pierces the chosen ones ..
          2. Essex62
            Essex62 24 September 2018 15: 36
            +3
            Rave! Lavrenty Pavlovich understood perfectly that without Stalin he was a corpse. As, in fact, happened.
            Quote: ver_
            ... no, when Stalin wanted to deport all Jews from Moscow to Birobidzhan, Beria and Kaganovich poisoned him ..- did not know? ..
          3. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 12
            0
            Nothing that Birobidzhan received the status of a city in 1937, 16 years before the death of Stalin? And there were Jews ....
            1. ver_
              ver_ 27 September 2018 09: 01
              0
              ... there are Jews in all cities ..
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  14. 1536
    1536 24 September 2018 11: 46
    +5
    I trust our military, who unequivocally spoke out who is to blame for the deaths of 15 Russian officers on board the Il-20 aircraft. And what else to discuss here? We will wait for solutions "that will be visible to everyone." The ugliness in the skies of Syria must be stopped, and our army can do it, regardless of the "offenses" of the so-called "military" of individual countries. There would be political will.
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 10
      +1
      "Your" military persons are interested. Something like this. The Israelis no - they weren't the ones who shot down the board.
  15. marshes
    marshes 24 September 2018 11: 55
    +5
    I express my condolences.
    My father, when he was 1974-87, flew an IL-20, an engineer-flight engineer. Two missions to Afghanistan and large-scale military exercises in the Baltic, off the coast of Sweden in the early 80s. It was hard to accept the loss of crew and board. the accident with the IL-20 did not happen.
    He became interested in the serial number, because in 1984 he received the extreme on the banner of labor.
    According to the events, here we, with father, believe the 3D animation provided by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Our opinion The Israeli curiosity ruined the crew, that is, putting Syrian air defense under attack.
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 31
      +3
      Marshes, the curiosity of a Jew? Well, you are naive. There is a good old song as Sarah Abram escorted to war. Take an interest. Hide behind Ivan’s backs in their blood.
      But the fascist bullet overtook Abram when Ivan stumbled.
      1. marshes
        marshes 24 September 2018 12: 49
        -1
        Quote: Nikolai Petrov
        Marshes, the curiosity of a Jew?

        After all, one plane got away from the flight leaving to the side, what is Crete there? Shorter to the west. Obviously, in a large circle they tried to go to their place. Knowing that the Syrians would wake up. And there was a great desire to look overboard, the order may have come from the ground or from the French trough. The flight was clearly reconnaissance, it went without a follower, and maybe for good luck it was a Syrian, government board. After all, on Vernik they knew all the schedule of flights of civilian boards and chose the "window" and here the "unknown" board.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 07
          0
          https://topwar.ru/147406-il-20-chja-golova-bolna-chja-golova-zdorova.html
          read, do not be lazy
          look cartoon from mo
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 29 September 2018 17: 37
            0
            Quote: ArikKhab
            https://topwar.ru/147406-il-20-chja-golova-bolna-chja-golova-zdorova.html
            read, do not be lazy
            look cartoon from mo

            Read the explanations of the Americans (instantly !!! Bell, as it were ...), the Jews.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 08
      0
      Curiosity against the positions of the S-200 ??
  16. Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 24 September 2018 11: 56
    +3
    You need to answer. "If you miss one attack, you will inspire many" by Sun Tzu
  17. brigadier
    brigadier 24 September 2018 12: 00
    -6
    What year is it? 1982 apparently. Glavred Pravda 1982 model just nervously smokes aside.
    Mister, sorry, comrade (as though they made a good word) Kuzovkov brand very powerfully. Good luck in the upcoming battles.
    Cynically? Yes. But that’s selat.
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    2. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: brigadir
      What year is it? 1982 apparently. Glavred Pravda 1982 model just nervously smokes aside.
      Mister, sorry, comrade (as though they made a good word) Kuzovkov brand very powerfully. Good luck in the upcoming battles.
      Cynically? Yes. But that’s selat.

      What comrades?
    3. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 41
      +2
      Look at the calendar. Everything is in Arabic (oh how painful it is for you about Arabic) the numbers say what year. Do not ask nonsense.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 05
        0
        You google what real Arabic numbers look like
  18. Professor
    Professor 24 September 2018 12: 03
    -5
    We should remember the main thing: Israel is the only culprit in this tragedy!

    Yes, the only one. Some sent their unprotected plane to the line of fire, others shot it down, and ONLY Israel is to blame. Remember this. good

    The death of Russian officers was a direct result of the undeclared aggression that Tel Aviv is leading against the Syrian state, which was tormented by civil war.

    Tel Aviv is thumping and having fun, here Jerusalem is fighting a war against Syria that has attacked us, captain of evidence.

    Just in case, we remind the doubters that Israeli aviation did not bother ISIS units (it is forbidden in Russia), when they stood in direct visibility of the Israeli borders, near the Golan Heights.

    And here the author is simply lying. When ISIS fired on our territory, it immediately raked in full. After that, he long lost the desire to shell us.

    But attacks on the Syrian armed forces were practiced a year ago and two.

    Who controlled the territory and raked. There will be shelling of our territory, asad will receive more.

    Russia has enough ways to annoy Tel Aviv,

    Tel Aviv is not cold or hot from your threats. The USSR has already salted Israel for decades. The result is known to all.

    There is a possible rapprochement with the Palestinian Authority.

    To your health. You have enough money to "get close" with her. There are rates in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The US, Qatar and the EU have raised the bar. Maybe you will vote against us in international organizations? So you and so IS ALWAYS do it.

    and supplies of more modern weapons to Syria

    Cornets and Yakhonts you supply. Can you give them a poplar? wassat The only snag is Tehran’s solvency. And he is known to be bankrupt. So please give them both Su-35С fighters and Su-34 attack aircraft if you are not afraid of sanctions and don’t feel sorry for the money.

    the main and most painful thing is the way out of all agreements restricting the supply of arms to Tehran.

    The gut is thin however to go against UN sanctions. Everything that is permitted by the UN, and so you deliver to the Islamists, ranging from aviation to nuclear power plants.

    PS
    We are very friendly to Russia. We do not participate in sanctions against you. We do not vote in international organizations against you. We did not even condemn the annexation of Crimea. Bibi was almost the only one who came to your parade. We do not supply weapons to your enemies and enemies. We do not interfere with your actions in Syria. We do not shoot down your planes flying into our territory. We accept your tourists without requiring a visa. And so on. Want to change all this? Forward. We are not afraid. hi
    1. Idunavs
      Idunavs 24 September 2018 12: 30
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      We do not vote in international organizations against you. We did not even condemn the annexation of Crimea.

      And then they changed their minds. Israel voted in favor of a UN resolution on Crimea recognizing the Russian occupation of the peninsula.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 04
        0
        Can I submit a document? or is it from the newspapers?
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 29 September 2018 17: 41
          0
          IN! Even with snapshots of the voting board!
          https://www.kp.ru/daily/26773.4/3806106/
          And here is the Baltic version, for objectivity.
          http://www.rosbalt.ru/like/2017/12/20/1670027.html
    2. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 12: 44
      +2
      pro-Hessessor, I won’t repeat myself, but if your abrams and moishes did not climb to the north of Syria (what did they forget?), then Syria borders on the southern borders with you, there would have been no shot down IL-20 and now Syrian S-300. What, do you make sure?
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 03
        0
        If the Russian Federation hadn’t hid Iranian factories (which produce weapons for Hamas, and not against ISIS), if the Syrian air defense forces weren’t so crooked, if the responsible officer hadn’t sent the IL to the affected area, ...
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 29 September 2018 17: 43
          +1
          Quote: ArikKhab
          If the Russian Federation hadn’t hid Iranian factories (which produce weapons for Hamas, and not against ISIS), if the Syrian air defense forces weren’t so crooked, if the responsible officer hadn’t sent the IL to the affected area, ...

          If Israel had not occupied the Golan, if it had not carried out air raids, if it had not helped terrorists, etc.
    3. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 24 September 2018 12: 52
      +1
      Listen to you, so Israel pearl! And all around shit! And then what to say about anti-Semitism?
    4. Victorio
      Victorio 24 September 2018 12: 53
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      We are very friendly to Russia. We do not participate in sanctions against you. We do not vote in international organizations against you. We did not even condemn the annexation of Crimea. Bibi was almost the only one who came to your parade. We do not supply weapons to your enemies and enemies. We do not interfere with your actions in Syria. We do not shoot down your planes flying into our territory. We accept your tourists without requiring a visa. Etc. Want to change all this? Forward. We are not afraid.

      ===
      three times just lied, not bad
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 01
        0
        What did you lie to?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 24 September 2018 17: 02
          0
          there is highlighted
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 24 September 2018 14: 15
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      We should remember the main thing: Israel is the only culprit in this tragedy!

      Yes, the only one. Some sent their unprotected plane to the line of fire, others shot it down, and ONLY Israel is to blame. Remember this. good

      The death of Russian officers was a direct result of the undeclared aggression that Tel Aviv is leading against the Syrian state, which was tormented by civil war.

      Tel Aviv is thumping and having fun, here Jerusalem is fighting a war against Syria that has attacked us, captain of evidence.

      Just in case, we remind the doubters that Israeli aviation did not bother ISIS units (it is forbidden in Russia), when they stood in direct visibility of the Israeli borders, near the Golan Heights.

      And here the author is simply lying. When ISIS fired on our territory, it immediately raked in full. After that, he long lost the desire to shell us.

      But attacks on the Syrian armed forces were practiced a year ago and two.

      Who controlled the territory and raked. There will be shelling of our territory, asad will receive more.

      Russia has enough ways to annoy Tel Aviv,

      Tel Aviv is not cold or hot from your threats. The USSR has already salted Israel for decades. The result is known to all.

      There is a possible rapprochement with the Palestinian Authority.

      To your health. You have enough money to "get close" with her. There are rates in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The US, Qatar and the EU have raised the bar. Maybe you will vote against us in international organizations? So you and so IS ALWAYS do it.

      and supplies of more modern weapons to Syria

      Cornets and Yakhonts you supply. Can you give them a poplar? wassat The only snag is Tehran’s solvency. And he is known to be bankrupt. So please give them both Su-35С fighters and Su-34 attack aircraft if you are not afraid of sanctions and don’t feel sorry for the money.

      the main and most painful thing is the way out of all agreements restricting the supply of arms to Tehran.

      The gut is thin however to go against UN sanctions. Everything that is permitted by the UN, and so you deliver to the Islamists, ranging from aviation to nuclear power plants.

      PS
      We are very friendly to Russia. We do not participate in sanctions against you. We do not vote in international organizations against you. We did not even condemn the annexation of Crimea. Bibi was almost the only one who came to your parade. We do not supply weapons to your enemies and enemies. We do not interfere with your actions in Syria. We do not shoot down your planes flying into our territory. We accept your tourists without requiring a visa. And so on. Want to change all this? Forward. We are not afraid. hi

      The man expresses his opinion while not being rude, reasoned .. For what are the minuses then sculpt? Or just want to hear yourself?
      1. Cottager452
        Cottager452 24 September 2018 16: 07
        +1
        So that they didn’t cut their pension, let’s go.
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 24 September 2018 17: 00
        +1
        The people in the wake of anti-Semitism do not understand that Iran is NOT A FRIEND for Russia, but a random companion. Even the goals in Syria are different
    6. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 14: 38
      0
      ProHessor, you? In sanctions ?! Against Russia ?! Our tourists are with you, the scribe is simple. Why the hell did you fall for us? How many tourists have visited you there? Well, self-conceit you have about yourself! Although why be surprised. Reich compared to you nervously smokes on the sidelines. And what about sanctions and visas, but nothing if your tribe is trampled from Russia? The sky over Russia will only become cleaner. We will not lose anything. But you probably will again howl about anti-Semitism and scream, until the very Pluto you will hear about the Holocaust.
    7. Petrograd
      Petrograd 24 September 2018 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      We are very friendly to Russia. We do not participate in sanctions against you. We do not vote in international organizations against you. We did not even condemn the annexation of Crimea. Bibi was almost the only one who came to your parade. We do not supply weapons to your enemies and enemies. We do not interfere with your actions in Syria. We do not shoot down your planes flying into our territory. We accept your tourists without requiring a visa. And so on. Want to change all this? Forward. We are not afraid.

      1. Friendliness is your ostentatious.
      2. Vote and how, through third parties.
      3. There was no annexation of Crimea, there was a referendum, it was in Kosovo too, by the way in the Gaza Strip do not want to give permission to hold a referendum or are afraid of the results.
      4. There is a lot - we, we, we say this for ourselves, among your people there are also cowards and liars and corrupt individuals to ... damn, you can outbid and intimidate.
      5. Believe us, we are also not afraid of your we, your "we" obediently in "enlightened Europe" ... well, you yourself know the story. So, that the mouth on the lock, if you are nervous, consider the shekels-miracle.
      1. gsev
        gsev 9 November 2018 07: 43
        0
        In general, I heard that, for example, the Muslim population of Israel more actively supported the actions of NATO against Gaddafi than the Jewish one. Therefore, it must be admitted that if any country of the Persian Gulf had military means like Israel would have an order of magnitude more problems for Russia. There is some truth in the words of Warriors Wow and the Professor.
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  19. shura7782
    shura7782 24 September 2018 12: 06
    +1
    In this I am more interested in - "What will be the consequences for Israel." and "Will there be?" I'd like to make a mistake, but according to the old Jewish tradition, they will get out.
  20. lucul
    lucul 24 September 2018 12: 08
    0
    But the most important thing: in no case should we succumb to provocations and direct lies that the Israeli special services are trying to feed us through their agents in the media.

    Need to consolidate.
    That is, to repulse the propaganda and lies of the West themselves, not hoping for power. Here you just need to clearly understand that this is a double-edged sword, and this force can be turned inward - against the authorities.
    Nevertheless, I urge the most responsible people
    , to counter the enemy
    propaganda, not limited to one site, but to fight back at large sites. That is, to conduct your civic position more actively. With a competent approach, you can fight off all provocations at once.
    There are more of us (than propogandists) and we can fight them back.
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2018 12: 15
    +1
    It’s just interesting, it’s not scary for the elite or our upper class thinks not for our interests .... to the Arab, I kind of give a damn, I don’t like them completely and forever, but the Israeli upper class is no longer just like no other .. .. we will see.
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 24 September 2018 12: 38
    -1
    Israel’s position, to put it mildly, is extremely hypocritical

    How interesting ... and who would have thought of that? !!
    I will tell you in secret that Turkey and Iran have the same position and the United States with its endless allies. All are hypocrites.
    We are the only ones ... as it were to put it mildly ... well, fluffy and fragrant and we take into account the interests of all our and not our partners.
    We wave, speaking in a military language, both this and that. Affection drooling rivers!
    And the fact that constantly as a result we have to "deeply regret" the death of our guys ... so the war is it?
    The main thing is what?
    The fact that Nitanyahu will fly to the GDP to visit ..
    then Erdogan ..
    And behind them are crayfish
    On a lame dog.
    Wolves on the mare.
    Lions in the car.
    Bunnies in the tram.
    Toad on a broomstick ...
    They go and laugh,
    Gingerbread cookies.

    And we only cry is heard in the families of the killed soldiers ...
  23. Damask
    Damask 24 September 2018 12: 42
    +2
    Friendship in life has always been swayed by Jews with unexpected denouement and dirty tricks.
  24. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 September 2018 12: 49
    +1
    With a set of verbal phrases, they "powder" the brains of anyone. The second feature is to arrange in the media universal cries of "oppressing, oppressing, insulting" They cannot admit the obvious and will repent. They were created like that, but they don't want to change.
  25. Darth gazgkull
    Darth gazgkull 24 September 2018 12: 49
    -2
    For the death of our guys it was necessary to deliver an atomic blow to the Zionists!
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 24 September 2018 13: 07
      +1
      Let us leave this matter to the Persians. For them, the creation of Kuzkin’s mother is a question of whether Iran will be on the map or not. And the territory of the regional center of Russia is sleeping and sees the destruction of Iran. I think that if kosher picks Iran, 250 charges of them (kosher) will not save. And it is not clear what is in the arsenal of Iran. The CIA and MOSSAD have already broken their heads in search of the order of 300 nuclear warheads of the USSR inexplicably missing from Ukraine. Iran has denyuzhka - Ukraine had BG. And this public (Ukrainian) would be something, but they will find someone to sell it to. Something like this.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 18: 03
      +2
      The Syrians were shot down, and the Zionist nuclear strike. And right
    3. ver_
      ver_ 10 October 2018 05: 48
      0
      ... however, the Amertians do not just like that * scatter their labs all over the world * - they only make a genetic * cure for life * ..
  26. lucul
    lucul 24 September 2018 12: 59
    0
    Quote: Damask
    Friendship in life has always been swayed by Jews with unexpected denouement and dirty tricks.

    And why? I always wondered what was wrong?
    But then I found a simple answer - their men have a typical "female" thinking. Therefore, there is a lack of understanding at a deep level - you tune in to a man, and there, according to "thinking", a woman. Hence the confusion and you can easily be fooled.
    I already don’t make such a mistake anymore - in a dialogue with them, I always represent a woman - an opponent, and it’s not so easy to baffle me. )))
  27. Nibiru
    Nibiru 24 September 2018 14: 27
    +1
    Hit the spot!
  28. Topol M
    Topol M 24 September 2018 14: 40
    0
    International Zionism is impudent!
  29. Jerk
    Jerk 24 September 2018 14: 44
    +1
    Yes, it is clear, linden) Given:
    * Israel is clearly tied to the United States. The United States supports both ISIS and the coup in Ukraine.
    * At the same time, two failures of US special operations take place - the fake with the Boeing was finally broken up and the White Helmets provocation was foiled. Both with proof.
    It is necessary:
    * Cover operation, just distract. The style of Monica syndrome, resulting in the bombing of Yugoslavia.
    Decision:
    * Yes, we see ...
    ------------
    Hello non-living. Chtd
    Only about the "special operation" - in vain. The usual stuffing from zhurnalyug, it's no secret that many heads of the media have citizenship there, i.e. you can put pressure on them wink The special operation is a provocation in Syria itself. And this is already so - tracing
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 16: 55
      -3
      1) How did Israel support the "coup in Ukraine"? except for words - facts, documents? If Kolomoisky is Jewish, this does not mean Israel's support for the coup
      2) Israel did not join the sanctions against Crimea - so it supported the "annexation" ??
      3) As for ISIS support ... Russia supports Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization (and recognized as such in most countries of the world), kills Israelis and Lebanese people - does Russia support terrorists?
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 24 September 2018 17: 19
        -1
        1 and 2, read what is written, not your fantasies:
        Israel is clearly tied to the United States. The United States supports both ISIS and the coup in Ukraine.

        Once you have a minus on excuses and two at once.
        3. What is recognized is garbage, recognized by you, the USA and their slaves. How many has killed Hezbol lately? The latest news is that three civilians died and dozens of Palestinians were injured - because of what? They had a protest demonstration, someone threw a firecracker (skoka-koka killed there? Are the seriously wounded?), In reply 70 randomly flew in, it seems, is a man of a peacekeeper, and who is the terrorist? YOU, check the box, by the way, change. And radical Jews are running around you, but they’re just fascists, they’re all non-Jews, they are subhuman, this is Nazism, and it’s supported by the state, and its manifestations are out of the blue, so you are a state of terrorists - that’s all right! And Russia is in alliance with IRAN, and not with Lebanese Hezbollah.
        Three and 4 minuses to you. You need to think what to say!
        And on shoulder straps - your fifth minus, when Assad’s troops fought ISIS, you bombed Assad - aviation on the side of ISIS. Was there even one hit on ISIS? Who do you not support there? Two are fighting, the third is also beating one, but he is not an ISIS ally, does not support him with MILITARY FORCE - you generally fight on the side of ISIS throughout the war, it is the USA who supports them!
        It’s free, now you can scrub out toilets
      2. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 24 September 2018 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: ArikKhab
        1) How did Israel support the "coup in Ukraine"? except for words - facts, documents? If Kolomoisky is Jewish, this does not mean Israel's support for the coup
        2) Israel did not join the sanctions against Crimea - so it supported the "annexation" ??
        3) As for ISIS support ... Russia supports Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization (and recognized as such in most countries of the world), kills Israelis and Lebanese people - does Russia support terrorists?

        ArikKhab! Shame on you! But you, in the fall of noisy, desovetization has passed, and you sculpt the Soviet flag ... not good ...
  30. Conductor
    Conductor 24 September 2018 15: 10
    +1
    In Syria, the war has been going on since 2001, in fact, are air defense not trained yet?
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 24 September 2018 16: 48
      0
      Last since 1982, then began the supply of S-200 Syria
  31. Essex62
    Essex62 24 September 2018 16: 01
    +3
    The most incomprehensible thing is that everyone is waiting for a turnaround from the government 100% consisting of these same co-operators. Look at the list of the aligarhat of the Russian Federation. As citizens of different states, Jews never forget about their belonging to a nation, always show solidarity with their homeland. The same Kedmi, who sympathizes with the Russian people, is unlikely to take our side in the event of a direct military conflict with Israel.
  32. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 24 September 2018 16: 42
    0
    I received a warning here, allegedly insulting the author, for a post in a similar article in the VO "IL-20. Whose head is sick, whose head is healthy?"
    Draw conclusions.
  33. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 24 September 2018 16: 45
    -6
    I will try to express my opinion. Judging by the comments, many people don’t know what -
    - Syria and Israel have been at war since 1948, so there are no restrictions on the use of weapons from both (!) Sides
    - On the territory of Syria are units of Iran and Hezbollah - which aim to destroy Israel as a state
    - Israel does not have military bases in neighboring states and does not shell Iranian territory from the territory of Syria
    - Russia and Israel are not allies, each country has its own goals and objectives
    - Russia is not a party to the Syrian-Israeli conflict, while Iran has been on the side of Syria since 1982. This explains Moscow's "restraint" since 2015. With the delivery of the S-300 to the Syrian army and the "closure of the Syrian coast", the Russian Federation obviously begins to participate (or rather, it returns, given the role of the USSR in the past) in one of the oldest conflicts in the region on the side of Syria, which has both its advantages and obvious minuses
    - Iran is not an ally of the Russian Federation (in the past, preparation of the mujahideen for the war in Afghanistan, at the moment a partner, what will happen tomorrow?)
    - Shelling of Israeli settlements regularly occurs from Syrian territory (which is usually not reflected in the Russian press)
    - In hospitals in Israel, residents of Syria receive treatment. Israel does not choose whom to treat - the sick and wounded are delivered by "blue helmets" (UN peacekeepers) who are located on the border between Syria and Israel (due to the absence of a peace treaty, there is a separation zone, as well as with Lebanon). After being discharged, the sick and wounded are transferred to the Syrian police who further figure out who this person is (which is natural - these people are not citizens of Israel)
    - On the border of Syria and Israel, there are field hospitals where they provide medical assistance to residents of the border regions of Syria (program https://www.idf.il/en/minisites/operation-good-neighbor/), which is also not mentioned in the Russian media.
    - From the point of view of the Russian majority, it is clear that "Israel is to blame in any situation ...", although this position does not reflect the real state of affairs in Syria and is not confirmed by other countries such as France, whose frigate was in the area of ​​the incident
    - Israel only targets Iran / Hezbollah in Syria because it does not see a national security threat from Syria, but with Iran the situation is exactly the opposite
    - The bombing with precision weapons of objects in Latakia, 20 km from Khmeimim, did not threaten the Russian air base
    - The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation conducted a cool disinformation of the Russian society with the use of anti-Semitism in society and passing the main blame onto the Israelis (for a detailed analysis - https://topwar.ru/147406-il-20-chja-golova-bolna-chja-golova-zdorova.html ). Moreover, the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not include an assessment of the actions of the Syrian side and the leadership of the Russian forces in Syria; Israel's report on the situation has not been presented to the general public. For this reason, due to the lack of objective "debriefing", it is possible that a similar situation will repeat in the future.
    - All the real perpetrators of the tragedy "remained behind the scenes" in the wake of accusations against Israel
    - S-300 deliveries may temporarily stop the Israelis, but since the Russian Federation chose to take the side of Assad, this removes moral obligations from Israel towards the Russian Federation / Syria and may lead to the systematic destruction of Syrian air defense forces. Given the small number of personnel at the Khmeimim base, as well as remoteness and dependence on external supply, this puts the Russian military in Syria in extremely disadvantageous conditions, and it is not yet clear what the Russian Federation won
    - Taking into account the "far-fetched" accusations against Israel, reputational losses for the Russian Federation are possible. If the Ministry of Defense cannot relatively objectively understand the loss of an aircraft from "friendly fire", then how to expect objectivity in the information about the Boeing shot down over Donbas in 2014, etc.?
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 24 September 2018 17: 00
      +3
      Yes, a shell flew in a battle with the "bearded children" in the Dutch heights, and then broke through the SAA along with the onset of "bearded pregnant women" onizhedeti. Repeated evidence of not just help, which was written in VO, but also management (not systemic). Russia received terrorist attacks in St. Petersburg and Volgograd. Russia has the right to be there.
  34. K-50
    K-50 24 September 2018 20: 26
    -1
    A special operation of the Israeli special services has begun in the Russian media, aimed at mitigating the consequences of the loss of the Il-20 aircraft by the Russian aerospace forces in Syria.

    And what else can you expect from the killers? request
    They won’t take the blame on themselves, for any tricks, only by hook or by crook will they dump it on neighboring countries.
  35. kutuz
    kutuz 24 September 2018 22: 58
    0
    It seems to me that the country in the person of its citizens is sick with "persecution mania" Americans, evil Ukrainians, the British are now Israel. Who is next?
  36. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 September 2018 07: 59
    0
    The death of Russian officers was a direct result of the undeclared aggression that Tel Aviv is leading against the Syrian state, which was tormented by civil war.

    ... and this fact is irrefutable by anyone and nothing ...
  37. flicker
    flicker 25 September 2018 14: 41
    +1
    Carefully, an Israeli special operation is being conducted in Russia!
    Here, the unprecedented activity of pro-Israeli participants, especially before Shoigu’s announcement about the supply of S-300.
    Jumped like hell with a snuffbox. Yes, they were very hot. Everything got away with it, they spoiled and evaded responsibility, again spoiled and again left ... they believed that it would always be so ... in the end they put shame on the head of the population of Israel. The consequences that await the Israelis will now lie entirely on the conscience of the unreasonable Israeli leadership, who, apparently, did not care about their population and have probably already prepared alternate aerodromes for themselves somewhere in the states.
    This is how Golda Meir built Israel, and the "stupid" Netanyahu will destroy it.
  38. please
    please 26 September 2018 12: 48
    0
    This is not news. As soon as somewhere in the Golan or Syria, Israel carries out a punitive operation in Odnoklassniki and VK, publications about the poor Jewish people, the Holocaust, etc. immediately appear. .
  39. mko
    mko 26 September 2018 13: 13
    -1
    In 2005 (before forgiveness), the total debt of only two Arab countries amounted to $ 23,5 billion -
    this is almost 20% of the Russian budget for 2018.
    Cool forgiveness!
    I would like to hear about something material from the Arabs - moral satisfaction (dulea USA), you can’t spread it on bread
  40. A.
    A. 27 September 2018 05: 19
    +1
    In 2013, our Kremlin pension cannibal refused Syria the supply of S-300, refused protection from Jewish aggression. How many people have since died in shelling of Jewish aircraft. Until 15 of our soldiers died. The two-faced president is more interested in the goals of Israel. Russian lives and the lives of the Syrians are much less interested in him.
  41. oracul
    oracul 27 September 2018 07: 32
    -1
    Small but "brave" Israel, whose real strength lies in the fact that the United States stands behind it with all its might. However, history confirms that when the Soviet Union intervened in the course of Israel's successful hostilities, it itself and its Western allies, led by the United States, slowed down and backed down. Israel's nuclear weapons allow it to behave like a terrorist with its neighbors in the Middle East. taking hostages - if you do not accept my conditions, all will blow up.
  42. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 September 2018 09: 03
    0
    Well, now "off we go," just like in that proverb: "... in the world there is no fighter braver than a frightened Jew ..." what our legendary bard sang about. The Jews betrayed and now, in fear of reprisal, they went all out, all the more so since there are quite a few of their supporters in Russia and one can directly say their agents (who, having emigrated to Israel under the USSR, have now returned back to spoil us as much as they can and "hammer the loot").
  43. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 27 September 2018 11: 19
    +1
    Israel began to play, thanks to its partner, Russia, it is necessary to remove from their synagogue the books transferred to them for storage, even if they are better in our library. Additionally, put Hero and Beech 3.
  44. botanist
    botanist 27 September 2018 12: 21
    -2
    As Peter the 1st for the Swedes, I propose drinking our teachers for the Izriltans.
  45. Rajah
    Rajah 27 September 2018 17: 42
    +1
    Jews like to talk about the fact that they have been at war with Syria since 1948. There is no peace treaty, unlike Egypt, Jordan and other "friends" who have done well. As far as I remember, the last large-scale battles took place in 82, 30 years later Israel suddenly remembered that the war was not over, and now is the time, if not to finish off so at least throwing poop on the fan towards Syria. Information for thought: Japan refused to sign a peace pact during the visit of the Darkest One. So what: to pursue further policy in Israel? We have been at war with Japan since 45!
  46. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 27 September 2018 20: 18
    +1
    Heh, well, let’s see, the steel of the national leader’s eggs or so, sprinkled with silver ...
  47. Olezhek
    Olezhek 29 September 2018 20: 43
    0
    As a lot, all that was said, but in fact informational stuffing has a place to be.
    And it is constantly.
    And in the newspapers and on the radio ...
    Washed black dog ...