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Netanyahu explained the purpose for which he sent the Israeli Air Force commander to Moscow

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The Israeli Air Force commander, according to Israeli media, delivered to Moscow "comprehensive evidence of Israel’s innocence" in the tragedy of Il-20. Amikam Norkin met with representatives of the highest military command of the Russian Federation, and as reported in a special communique from the IDF, presented to his Russian colleagues "a detailed report on the situation in which the Russian plane was shot down by the Syrian air defense system."


From the message of the Israeli Defense Ministry:
The meeting went well, and the parties agreed to continue coordinating their actions in the Syrian Arab Republic.


Netanyahu explained the purpose for which he sent the Israeli Air Force commander to Moscow


No details are given about what specific data Norkin cited and whether among these data there is an explanation of why Israel warned Russian colleagues about its operation in the CAP just a minute before the tragedy of the Il-20 of the Russian Federation.

About why Amikam Norkin was sent to Moscow, says Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. According to Netanyahu, it is important to demonstrate openness between the military departments of the two countries and to work further to protect the citizens (Israel) in the mode of close cooperation between Israel and the Russian Federation.

Recall that, according to the Israeli version, the SAR air defense C-200 calculation struck the Russian IL-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft already after the Israeli air force's F-16 returned to its country's airspace. Earlier, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad expressed condolences to Vladimir Putin and members of the families of the dead Russian servicemen, saying that the death was due to Israel’s dissociation.
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  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 20 September 2018 21: 13
    -5
    What kind of old-timers on our side in the photo? Council of Veterans is some kind of chtol. The Israeli military leader is immediately visible tucked up.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 September 2018 21: 18
      +26
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      What kind of old-timers on our side in the photo? Council of Veterans is some kind of chtol. The Israeli military leader is immediately visible tucked up.

      So now you can’t send people of pre-retirement age to retire .. you know the criminal liability .. laughing And if on the topic, now it turns out that everyone is not to blame .. the Syrians shot the Israelis .. the Israelis brought comprehensive evidence .. and we have 15 people died .. it is very interesting how our leadership will react, but I think as usual. .
      1. poquello
        poquello 20 September 2018 21: 29
        +16
        Quote: Svarog
        very interesting how our management will react

        will announce the recruitment of Jews in the Syrian contingent
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 September 2018 21: 37
          +2
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Svarog
          very interesting how our management will react

          will announce the recruitment of Jews in the Syrian contingent

          By the way, this is brilliant! laughing good
          1. hrych
            hrych 20 September 2018 22: 29
            -2
            A terrible redhead in men's clothing will explain everything to our generals wassat
            Quote: Svarog
            By the way, this is brilliant!
            It is necessary to write genius
          2. Dashout
            Dashout 20 September 2018 22: 46
            +9
            Quote: Svarog
            By the way, this is brilliant!

            Here again?
            1. Random
              Random 20 September 2018 23: 28
              -11
              Quote: Dashout
              Here again?

              Well, dear .... the first rocket "flew" into the board of the "uryakalok ship"? wink
              The meeting went well, and the parties agreed to continue coordinating their actions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 20 September 2018 22: 59
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            To article

            I should also know who this "statue" is ... request laughing The trouble is poor ...
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 21 September 2018 03: 33
              +3
              Quote: Paranoid50
              The trouble is poor ...


              Trouble after trouble. They bought a horse, and he’s .... With a vagina êàî.
          4. SEER
            SEER 21 September 2018 03: 22
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Svarog
            very interesting how our management will react

            will announce the recruitment of Jews in the Syrian contingent

            By the way, this is brilliant! laughing good

            who doubted - Svarog approved.
            All past power - Svarog approves.
            Svarog is always against.
            Svarog is never anything but always against.
            Ideal: "always for the best, but against all the bad ..."
            That's because of "By the way", and everything else ... Svarog and "on horseback".
            "Svarog", why do you need to know how "how our management will react"?
            Your leadership will respond. but in a slightly different way.
            And he might ask: Hij, you, a freak piece, how did you behave ??
        2. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 21: 38
          +11
          Pochello, - So all government consultants and advisers of the Russian Federation will have to be sent, who then will form the pro-Israeli policy of the Russian Federation ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 20 September 2018 22: 34
            -4
            Quote: Vladimir 5
            Pochello, - So all government consultants and advisers of the Russian Federation will have to be sent, who then will form the pro-Israeli policy of the Russian Federation ...

            So we kill two birds with one stone, from that and genius!
        3. Alexkorzun
          Alexkorzun 21 September 2018 07: 44
          -4
          No details are given about what specific data Norkin cited and whether among these data there is an explanation of why Israel warned Russian colleagues about its operation in the CAP just a minute before the tragedy of the Il-20 of the Russian Federation.

          Bibi did not come himself. Looks like our said - "... come on, don't worry, it's bullshit, we'll settle it ...."
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      4. Serg koma
        Serg koma 21 September 2018 08: 44
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        comprehensive evidence brought by the Israelis ..

        When to "fly" into Israel ("F-16s of the Israeli Air Force returned to their country's airspace")? Still, the exact data "on the navigator" with the distance from point "A" to point "B" was brought up laughing Alignment (in my opinion) - The Jews used the 2001 situation with the C-200 and TU-154 flight SBI1812. Knowing "what, how, how much ..." to simulate this situation in the sky on September 17, "changing" TU 154 to IL-20 and replacing the training (in 2001) target with "guided aerial bombs" will not be difficult. The distance between Latakia and the Israeli border is about 280 kilometers. The cruising speed of the F-16 is 1140 km / h, there is enough time to "dump" (after launching) after the "flashing", the operator's screen remains "threatening" targets, including the IL-20 ... IL-20 slow-moving, the scout "hangs" hours in the air, calculating the time of his return to base with modern means of detection will not be a problem, or does Israel have ANY radars ???
        The Jews knew 100% about the IL-20 (which is possibly flying according to the "schedule" - a scout), they could not help knowing, or the price of their "Iron Dome" is 0 kopecks. Now political "curtsies" are beginning - AND WE SHOULD DECLARE THE SKY OF SYRIA (based on the incident) "CLOSED FOR FLIGHTS" (to adopt a joint resolution of Russia and Syria on the introduction of a no-fly zone) following the example of Libya.
        And on_sra_t on about-Euro-Jewish opinion and "indignation at the treacherous policy of Russia."

        PS "To live with wolves - howl like wolves" - Russian proverb
    2. kenig1
      kenig1 20 September 2018 21: 49
      +6
      Ours is in an office uniform, and a Jew in a tunic, put on his office uniform and slimness to disappear.
      1. hrych
        hrych 20 September 2018 22: 59
        +6
        Quote: kenig1
        Our in office uniform

        Didn't find it necessary to wear a dress uniform
    3. Sadko88
      Sadko88 20 September 2018 21: 52
      +6
      The peculiarity of this type of military uniform. Israeli has a strict tunic, ours has a free office. In a suit of ACU or VKPO all are slender, until they turn in profile smile And remember the joke, why don't generals run around?
    4. flicker
      flicker 20 September 2018 23: 00
      +3
      What kind of old fellow on our side in the photo
      Yes, it was necessary to detach some kind of orderly, if Norkin would tell him.
    5. artifact
      artifact 21 September 2018 00: 43
      +6
      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      What kind of old-timers on our side in the photo? Council of Veterans is some kind of chtol. The Israeli military leader is immediately visible tucked up.

      the one who shakes hands with the Jewish representative is quite fit, like the rest for his age. another is more interesting, look at our two old men (they look as if they want to hang an Israelite with a lyuley). and, for officers of the General Staff, it’s more important not to have cubes on the stomach and muscles in the hands, but a military-strategic thought in the head ...
    6. Alexy
      Alexy 21 September 2018 04: 23
      -2
      Indeed, this is the first thing that immediately catches your eye.
    7. Vladimir Matveyev
      Vladimir Matveyev 21 September 2018 08: 38
      +4
      These Soviet "old men" are 1000 times smarter than your Russian counterparts, who are scared to put on such positions.
  2. merkavaa
    merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 14
    -35
    How can four f-16s, whose average speed is about 2000 km. per hour hide behind silt - 20? I'm not special.
    Let the competent commission sort it out, not emotions.
    1. dragy52rus
      dragy52rus 20 September 2018 21: 22
      +25
      very simple. they were not literally hiding, but were in the same sector. a rocket f-xnumx fired could redirect to il-xnumx after losing f-xnumx homing head.
      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 24
        -23
        understandably. everything is complicated.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 September 2018 21: 53
        -10
        Quote: dragy52rus
        very simple. they were not literally hiding, but were in the same sector. a rocket f-xnumx fired could redirect to il-xnumx after losing f-xnumx homing head.

        And if the videoconferencing technicians were provided with records of technical controls that would confirm a slightly different version?


        1. The notification of the Russian side about the upcoming attack was made "a few minutes" before its start.
        2. At the time of the Israeli attack, the Russian IL-20 was located tens of kilometers EAST from Latakia, over the territory of Idlib province, and not between Israeli planes, their ground targets near the city of Latakia and air defense batteries covering the city.
        3. Already after the destruction by Israeli planes of the Iranian logistics center disguised as an "aluminum plant", the Russian Il-20 was sent to the area over the Mediterranean to the WEST of Latakia - probably in order to find out the source of the attack, which the Russian command linked to the first stage with the French frigate "Auvergne".
        4. Once in the indicated zone to the WEST of Latakia, the Il-20 turned south and then east with the aim of landing at the Khmeimim airbase.
        5. It was at this stage, when Israeli planes had already returned to the airspace of their country, Il-20 came under the belated massive fire of Syrian air defense and was shot down by it.
        6. The missile that shot down the Il-20 was launched by a Syrian battery "at a considerable time" after the Israeli attack.

        1. dragy52rus
          dragy52rus 20 September 2018 23: 11
          +9
          technical specialists from the videoconferencing have their own data from their radars and other means of control and the transmitted records can only confirm the data of the videoconferencing, but not contradict anyway. I personally think that everyone is to blame for this tragedy, each has contributed. that's just not clear by stupidity, oversight or on purpose.
        2. Sergey Medvedev
          Sergey Medvedev 20 September 2018 23: 21
          +7
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          And if the videoconferencing technicians were provided with records of technical controls that would confirm a slightly different version?

          Yeah. The Israelis flew in that area, returned to the base, sitting drinking beer. And then their people, a minute before the explosion, phoned ours and reported what kind of beer the Israeli pilots were drinking. Why did you call that? A minute before the explosion, if your in-kind is not at work.
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 21 September 2018 01: 15
            -4
            Yeah! Now let’s dump our jamb on Israel! We taxed to the fullest! And there is nothing here to dissolve snot about the cunning of the enemy! Not a kindergarten! The opponents of Suvorov were accused of the improper conduct of hostilities, now we accuse the opponents of the improper conduct of the war! Maybe it’s better to wipe the snot, collect and embed in full? Let's admit, we absolutely do not know how to wage a modern war! And it is a fact! And what does the cunning of the enemy? They spoiled themselves!
            1. GRF
              GRF 21 September 2018 05: 41
              +3
              Quote: Mr Credo
              Yeah! Now let’s dump our jamb on Israel! We taxed to the fullest! And there is nothing here to dissolve snot about the cunning of the enemy! Not a kindergarten! The opponents of Suvorov were accused of the improper conduct of hostilities, now we accuse the opponents of the improper conduct of the war! Maybe it’s better to wipe the snot, collect and embed in full? Let's admit, we absolutely do not know how to wage a modern war! And it is a fact! And what does the cunning of the enemy? They spoiled themselves!

              So the enemy, too, and here the insidiousness from partners!
              Enemies of Suvorov officially waged a war but did not expect such heroism and came up with these excuses to denigrate the Russian soldier. And the soldier just acted on the breach.
              There is not a single country on earth that can restrain Russia if it trample through, neither then nor now, but this requires a very serious reason.
              So do not compare insidiousness with heroism.
              To beat a sharpie is it really necessary to become a sharpie?
              Especially when we start writing the rules! Indeed, this is precisely what pushes our partners into deceit, which underlines their weakness, despite the enormous numerical superiority. So finish chewing snot and start supporting the work of our professionals, so that it would not be offensive when the victory is ours.
            2. Dashout
              Dashout 21 September 2018 10: 35
              -2
              Quote: Mister Creed
              It might be better to wipe the snot

              Yeah, this advice is very suitable for you ... You can say to your face ...
        3. artifact
          artifact 21 September 2018 01: 19
          +2
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: dragy52rus
          very simple. they were not literally hiding, but were in the same sector. a rocket f-xnumx fired could redirect to il-xnumx after losing f-xnumx homing head.

          And if the videoconferencing technicians were provided with records of technical controls that would confirm a slightly different version?


          1. The notification of the Russian side about the upcoming attack was made "a few minutes" before its start.
          2. At the time of the Israeli attack, the Russian IL-20 was located tens of kilometers EAST from Latakia, over the territory of Idlib province, and not between Israeli planes, their ground targets near the city of Latakia and air defense batteries covering the city.
          3. Already after the destruction by Israeli planes of the Iranian logistics center disguised as an "aluminum plant", the Russian Il-20 was sent to the area over the Mediterranean to the WEST of Latakia - probably in order to find out the source of the attack, which the Russian command linked to the first stage with the French frigate "Auvergne".
          4. Once in the indicated zone to the WEST of Latakia, the Il-20 turned south and then east with the aim of landing at the Khmeimim airbase.
          5. It was at this stage, when Israeli planes had already returned to the airspace of their country, Il-20 came under the belated massive fire of Syrian air defense and was shot down by it.
          6. The missile that shot down the Il-20 was launched by a Syrian battery "at a considerable time" after the Israeli attack.


          that's exactly how it was:
          Syrian air defense fighters, well, they smoked there, threw cards into the cards, and such: - listen to somebody flies there, let's go shoot something. they look, and it’s just on the screen that there’s a big blister instead of four small dots. and how evil it was this installation that was not integrated into the general air defense system of Syria.
          I understand that you recognize the skill (read meanness) of your pilot and it is pleasant and reluctant. (dilemma, her mother, Yes!?)
          1. borberd
            borberd 21 September 2018 12: 37
            0
            Do you even read what you write ??? "Mastery (read meanness)". Not every master is mean. laughing
        4. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 21 September 2018 02: 43
          +4
          I can write you the opposite scenario, but the fact that Israel warned our armed forces at the very last moment (there are official statements about this) is a fact that everything written by you completely resets
    2. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 20 September 2018 21: 29
      +15
      Why worry? The most honest hour, an innocent child, will tell and understand everything, and believe otherwise, this is anti-Semitism laughing
    3. Vadim851
      Vadim851 20 September 2018 21: 40
      +9
      I will correct you, the average of the F-16 is still 800-900 and they could be at different altitudes, but also at the same distance from the air defense battery. Here is the tragic coincidence of the time of the Il-20 flight and the Israeli Air Force strike. Of course you shouldn't have fired a bullet into the air without knowing what the target was. And it should have alerted that why this plane shines so much, although it is known that the F-16I have a low ESR and the Jews do not quite fly near the battery to still get under the Shell or Thor. Knowing the peculiarity of the S-200 missile defense system to capture the "brightest" target, one should not open fire.
      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 45
        -15
        I just looked at some site for speed.
        We must now "remove" the information from the air defense system that fired and compare the data. It is believed that they fired almost an hour after the attack by Israeli planes.
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        2. SEER
          SEER 21 September 2018 07: 39
          +1
          Yes, not the speed you watched ... but somewhat different ....
      2. Suhow
        Suhow 20 September 2018 22: 06
        0
        As for the coincidence, it is somehow suspicious, most likely the calculation was based on the fact that the Syrians, knowing about the silt, to beware of shooting, but they, the Syrians, "freaked out", hurried ...
        1. artifact
          artifact 21 September 2018 01: 34
          +1
          Quote: Suhow
          As for the coincidence, it is somehow suspicious, most likely the calculation was based on the fact that the Syrians, knowing about the silt, to beware of shooting, but they, the Syrians, "freaked out", hurried ...

          what do you freak out about. Yes, they have a task - to protect the territory of Syria! and aiming at a Jewish plane, but he hid behind a Russian back. Well, and hit the heart.
          the kingdom of heaven and eternal flight to our falcons!
          to tears.
          it’s not possible to forgive!
      3. region58
        region58 21 September 2018 10: 49
        0
        Quote: Vadim851
        that why is this plane so shining, although it is known that the F-16I have a low EPR

        A dense group of aircraft looks exactly like that - one big goal.
    4. Aibolit
      Aibolit 20 September 2018 21: 52
      +8
      Quote: merkavaa
      How can four f-16s, whose average speed is about 2000 km.

      wassat
      "average"?
      fool
      Block 40 F-16C / D (101st and 105th Squadrons)
      Block 30 F-16C / D (109th, 110th, 117th Squadron)
      F-16A / B and F-16I Sufa (140th, 144th, 190th and 253rd squadrons)
      Maximum speed: 2120-2132 km / h at an altitude of 12 m (afterburner!)
      but cruising (as I understand it, according to your "average" = 0,93M = 1149 km / h
      Quote: merkavaa
      I'm not special.

      good

      PySy. on the
      Quote: merkavaa
      whose speed is about 2000 km.
      he will not be able to use anything, only to drape
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 20 September 2018 22: 06
      +2
      .
      Quote: merkavaa
      How can four f-16s, whose average speed is about 2000 km. per hour hide behind silt - 20? I'm not special.
      Let the competent commission sort it out, not emotions.
      "

      Remember the situation with TU-154m over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001,
    6. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 21 September 2018 00: 05
      +3
      Quote: merkavaa
      whose average speed is about 2000 km. in hour

      why did you decide that he has such an average speed ???
    7. K-612-O
      K-612-O 21 September 2018 02: 04
      +4
      On sverhzvuk it rarely fly, and you say 2000, bombing is generally done at 600-700 km / h maximum.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 21 September 2018 05: 00
        -1
        Quote: K-612-O
        On sverhzvuk it rarely fly, and you say 2000, bombing is generally done at 600-700 km / h maximum.

        yeah, in Alabino for show. And Israeli fighters attack exclusively at cruising speed yes Or maybe even on the landing?
        This is not an army game when you wake up then?
    8. user1212
      user1212 21 September 2018 04: 40
      +2
      Quote: merkavaa
      How can four f-16s, whose average speed is about 2000 km. in hour

      I would like to understand the meaning of the term "average speed" in relation to F16. Cruising 930, as for 2000 km per hour, it is not easy for him to gain such a speed. He has a maximum at height and with a minimum weight of 2100 with a trifle.
    9. Revolver
      Revolver 21 September 2018 08: 48
      +2
      And a few more questions that for some reason everyone is embarrassed to ask.
      What kind of crap was Iran hiding in Latakia?
      Why didn’t they dare to deliver this crap directly to Lebanon?
      Why did you need to store this crap in close proximity to Russian bases?

      The answers are obvious.
      That crap that is prohibited by the sanctions regime and in any port of Lebanon would be intercepted and would not reach the hezbalons.
      The Persians tried to use Damascus as a transshipment base, but Israel saw through and bombed. Therefore, they tried near by the Russians, hoping that either the Jews would be afraid to bomb so as not to hurt the Russians, or the Russians would kill them, or the Jews would hurt the Russians - any result to the benefit of Iran.

      Not a ride - the Jews carefully bombed all the crap, the Russians were not hurt, the Russians were not shot.
      The Arabs, as always, opened fire when the Jews had already left the zone of defeat.
      But no one imagined that the Arabs would spit on the fact that the Russian IL-20 would be in the affected area. Accordingly, the Russians fell under the distribution.

      Nevertheless, the Persians brewed all the porridge, having arranged at the side of the Russians a transshipment base for their illegal crap. And somehow no one for some reason blames them for anything. WHY???
      1. borberd
        borberd 21 September 2018 13: 01
        -3
        But because it does not fit into the mentality of the Uri-patriot. It’s not about them to think who is profitable and who in the real world has framed. Unfortunately, the same trend is observed both in Kozhugetovich and the head of the Moscow Region. Both, an hour after the incident, declared the perpetrators ... in their opinion. Putin then blushed for them, although he officially dissuaded them. I hope he dragged them backstage ... am
  3. aristok
    aristok 20 September 2018 21: 21
    +2
    The key moment has come ..
    ..now, after the failure of Idlib’s attack and the loss of IL-20
    media victories (even fictitious ones) are impossible - after all, it’s like all the woes in Idlib, and adult uncles do not allow them to be touched, but media (and more importantly real) losses are inevitable.
    Remaining in Syria is no longer possible for any (even sucked from the finger) reasons.
    We are waiting for the announcement of the next (third or fourth - I'm already confused) victory from the mundialissimo !!.
    1. kunstkammer
      kunstkammer 20 September 2018 21: 40
      0
      Are you so naive Now any trifle even of the most nasty character can be turned into a triumph of genius, intelligence and talent of our leader of all peace-loving nations.
      Lessons arrogant Saxons are not in vain ...
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 20 September 2018 23: 05
      +7
      Quote: aristok
      after the failure of the Idlib attack

      Another trouble is trouble ... wassat Is it okay that Erdoganische stuck with this very Idlib ?! The Nusers (HTS) and the Uighurs sent the Turks, refusing to surrender their weapons and "disperse in burrows." There is now the most tsimes formed. yes
      1. LMN
        LMN 20 September 2018 23: 28
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Quote: aristok
        after the failure of the Idlib attack

        Another trouble is trouble ... wassat Is it okay that Erdoganische stuck with this very Idlib ?! The Nusers (HTS) and the Uighurs sent the Turks, refusing to surrender their weapons and "disperse in burrows." There is now the most tsimes formed. yes

        Who cares about this?)) It will still be in Idlib, but here we need a "continuation of the banquet". The plane was shot down, but the war did not start am
        Who will compensate the suffering lack of kina ???
      2. dauria
        dauria 20 September 2018 23: 34
        +1
        There now the most cymes is formed.


        I don’t think so. To fight, money is needed. And who will give it now? Erdogan just needs to indicate the presence, stake out the territory with one well-guarded base and wait. It was important for him to not let Assad go there - he did it.
        1. poquello
          poquello 20 September 2018 23: 51
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          There now the most cymes is formed.


          I don’t think so. To fight, money is needed. And who will give it now? Erdogan just needs to indicate the presence, stake out the territory with one well-guarded base and wait. It was important for him to not let Assad go there - he did it.

          well let's say he didn’t do it
        2. LMN
          LMN 20 September 2018 23: 57
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          There now the most cymes is formed.


          I don’t think so. To fight, money is needed. And who will give it now? Erdogan just needs to indicate the presence, stake out the territory with one well-guarded base and wait. It was important for him to not let Assad go there - he did it.

          Erdogan just needs to indicate the presence, stake out the territory with one well-guarded base and wait.

          Wait for what? The fact that the clamped militants will begin to grow vegetables and heal themselves there, on a limited stretch of territory? For they have no way back to other parts of Syria ..
          He did not let Assad, now let him solve the problems himself. And they will begin .. yes
          1. poquello
            poquello 21 September 2018 02: 28
            0
            Quote: LMN
            He did not let Assad, now let him solve the problems himself. And they will begin ..

            as I understand it, he not only needs to solve his problems now, but also ours, and the Syrians, in short everything that arises from his piece of territory
      3. artifact
        artifact 21 September 2018 00: 25
        +1
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Quote: aristok
        after the failure of the Idlib attack

        Another trouble is trouble ... wassat Is it okay that Erdoganische stuck with this very Idlib ?! The Nusers (HTS) and the Uighurs sent the Turks, refusing to surrender their weapons and "disperse in burrows." There is now the most tsimes formed. yes

        to be honest, I, too, am constantly skeptical about any kind of agreement with the barmaley and giving them bullfights, BUT! Looking at the past operations, it is clear that thanks to these agreements, it was possible to liberate vast territories with minimal losses. now you are right, at the moment this is Erdogan's headache, and with all this we reserve the right to kill the immoderate by occupying their positions, and there is a new "line of demarcation" or whatever it is "a zone of deescalation. I hope down to the Syrian - Turkish borders.
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 21 September 2018 00: 08
      +2
      We are not waiting, you are waiting.
    4. artifact
      artifact 21 September 2018 00: 11
      +1
      Quote: aristok
      The key moment has come ..
      ..now, after the failure of Idlib’s attack and the loss of IL-20
      media victories (even fictitious ones) are impossible - after all, it’s like all the woes in Idlib, and adult uncles do not allow them to be touched, but media (and more importantly real) losses are inevitable.
      Remaining in Syria is no longer possible for any (even sucked from the finger) reasons.
      We are waiting for the announcement of the next (third or fourth - I'm already confused) victory from the mundialissimo !!.

      maaaalenky such a question: -How many fictional victories?
  4. Baribal
    Baribal 20 September 2018 21: 26
    -5
    and are there any explanations among these data why Israel warned Russian colleagues about its operation in the SAR just a minute before the tragedy with the Il-20 of the Russian Aerospace Forces


    And there’s nothing to explain there, the Israelis bombed and flew away, and then when they saw the mess going on they called and told ours - We’ve been at home a long time ago, where are you shooting at? Look carefully be, you never know. But pride does not allow our stern generals to admit failure. Who knows, maybe the guys on the IL-20 caught more than one missile, maybe they dodged as far as they could.
    1. merkavaa
      merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 28
      -14
      I read in our media that it was not a minute, but a few minutes.
      They also say that they previously warned in advance, but then yours warned the Iranians about the blow, and they exported everything.
      1. Jolly oldster sailor
        Jolly oldster sailor 20 September 2018 21: 30
        -7
        And what could they take out there in a few minutes?
        1. merkavaa
          merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 33
          -13
          They wrote that in those cases when they warned in advance, for a day or another time, the blow became meaningless, because the Iranians received information about the impending blow. Maybe that's why it was decided to shorten the time interval.
          1. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 20 September 2018 21: 40
            +6
            And on the basis of what are you killing Iranians?
            1. merkavaa
              merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 47
              -12
              Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
              And on the basis of what are you killing Iranians?

              The struggle for existence among cannibals.
              1. Konstantin Shevchenko
                Konstantin Shevchenko 20 September 2018 22: 35
                +12
                Weak answer. How many Israelis ate Iran over the past 10 years? It turns out that Iran has every reason to destroy warehouses and factories in Israel?
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 20 September 2018 23: 17
                  +6
                  Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
                  Weak answer.

                  Duc, the other is not expected. yes Just now, hot on the heels of the tragedy, one four-eyed chutzpomet made of stub-runners bleated live on TV about the same thing - "struggle for existence", "fatal confluences", "Iranian aggression" and other bullshit ... no one is being carried on, but since there are no other excuses, they drive away what is. laughing
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 21 September 2018 00: 20
                    +5
                    Quote: Paranoid50
                    Duc, another is not expected

                    Well, at least admitted that they are also cannibals ... already progress !!!
                2. gurta
                  gurta 20 September 2018 23: 21
                  -6
                  Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
                  How many Israelis ate Iran over the past 10 years?
                  But what should I wait? You wait until the igil comes to you. Is it a fact that they stuck in Syria?
              2. ultra
                ultra 21 September 2018 07: 47
                +2
                Quote: merkavaa
                The struggle for existence among cannibals.

                More than two hundred attacks on Syria in the last year! And during this time, how many attacks on Israel have Syria inflicted? And who will the cannibal ask ourselves?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 September 2018 21: 42
        -22
        And the fact that the IL-20 at the time of the Israeli attack was not over the sea, but over land (east of Latakia).
        And then (after the explosions on the ground) he was sent to "look" to a French frigate. Those. Israeli air defense fighters simply blinked, and thought that a French frigate was firing missiles. When Il flew over the sea, the Syrian air defense officers just woke up (apparently, literally). And shot at a single target sad
        This is a sad picture ... recourse
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    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 September 2018 21: 35
      -12
      Quote: Baribal
      and are there any explanations among these data why Israel warned Russian colleagues about its operation in the SAR just a minute before the tragedy with the Il-20 of the Russian Aerospace Forces


      And there’s nothing to explain there, the Israelis bombed and flew away, and then when they saw the mess going on they called and told ours - We’ve been at home a long time ago, where are you shooting at? Look carefully be, you never know. But pride does not allow our stern generals to admit failure. Who knows, maybe the guys on the IL-20 caught more than one missile, maybe they dodged as far as they could.

      I am not an expert, but I believe that the Syrians are to blame, who, when they fired, probably saw our plane on the radar and knew that the rocket would fly into it .. Of course, the Israelis are to blame in any case, starting with the bombing of another territory countries and probably they were hiding behind our plane .. but then the Syrians shot.
      1. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 20 September 2018 21: 42
        +6
        And if, a very cunning intelligence bought the crew of the S-200, then who is to blame?
        1. merkavaa
          merkavaa 20 September 2018 22: 19
          -7
          Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
          And if, a very cunning intelligence bought the crew of the S-200, then who is to blame?

          perhaps Assad and Iran benefit from this
          1. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 20 September 2018 22: 37
            +2
            So that Russia spat on Syria and left? It wants NATO, Israel is also interested. Perhaps Russia really needs to leave the region, which is drowning itself. Israel and NATO are very cunning, but they forget that all dirty tricks are getting out of control.
          2. ultra
            ultra 21 September 2018 07: 50
            +1
            Quote: merkavaa
            perhaps Assad and Iran benefit from this

            My dear, you write complete nonsense !!! Only thanks to us Assad retained power and Syria as an integral state is still on the map.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 20 September 2018 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        . but the Syrians fired.

        Are the Syrians? Why did Assad, a man of European mentality, never apologize for the downed plane? Why ours do not insist on these apologies? Personally, I see no reason other than the fact that he is generally not involved in the affairs of this incident. It seems that the launches were carried out by the Russian calculation. The fact of an instant arrest of the calculation by the Russian (and not Syrian) military police is also in favor of this version.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 September 2018 22: 36
          -7
          Quote: syndicalist
          Quote: Svarog
          . but the Syrians fired.

          Are the Syrians? Why did Assad, a man of European mentality, never apologize for the downed plane? Why ours do not insist on these apologies? Personally, I see no reason other than the fact that he is generally not involved in the affairs of this incident. It seems that the launches were carried out by the Russian calculation. The fact of an instant arrest of the calculation by the Russian (and not Syrian) military police is also in favor of this version.

          An interesting twist .. what
        2. Sergey Pavlov
          Sergey Pavlov 21 September 2018 00: 10
          -2
          An interesting theory, in principle, could well be so.
      3. Dashout
        Dashout 20 September 2018 22: 50
        +10
        Quote: Svarog
        I am not an expert, but I believe that

        Yeah...
        1. Random
          Random 20 September 2018 23: 40
          -9
          Quote: Dashout
          Yeah

          Since there .... you wink .. at the expense of the "official statements of the MO"?
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 21 September 2018 00: 11
            +4
            What for? Then the specialists from Israel and Random sorted everything out. Internet Sherlocks, establish the truth without rising from the couch.
          2. Dashout
            Dashout 21 September 2018 10: 46
            -2
            Quote: Random
            Quote: Dashout
            Yeah

            Since there .... you wink .. at the expense of the "official statements of the MO"?

            follow the petroleum jelly ... it will not seem enough ...
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 22 September 2018 03: 34
      0
      Il .. from rockets .. sad Is that a fighter for you?
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          2. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 20 September 2018 22: 42
            +11
            What, trolling did not ride? wink Learn, study all ages submissive. yes
          3. Dashout
            Dashout 20 September 2018 22: 53
            +10
            Quote: linkor11
            So it will be better for you.

            What rudeness - why on you? Well, as the author began: are you scaring or something?
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 20 September 2018 22: 58
              +8
              Quote: Dashout
              are you scaring or something?

              Zhenya, will the scarecrow not break in him? lol You yourself know: scare me - in vain to paint the sky. wink
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            1. Shahno
              Shahno 21 September 2018 07: 23
              -4
              Well, our people have to do with it, politicians decide it ..
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    3. Cheldon
      Cheldon 20 September 2018 22: 02
      +7
      Quote: Egorovich
      Six-pointed wash off, as always. To work from behind others and commit meannesses is in their blood.

      "... I want to say that it is a shame to hide behind the backs of those who, among other things, ensure your safety, and, fulfilling their duty, cannot deviate from the bullet that is not addressed to you," Zakharova said at a briefing in St. Petersburg.
  6. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 September 2018 21: 33
    -2
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    What kind of old-timers on our side in the photo?

    it also caught my eye. Now it becomes clear: the main thing for the elders is your zeal and calm ... What is Syria like?
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 September 2018 21: 34
    +1
    We will wait for the official statements of our first persons. Then the article flickered, where Israel was called eaters and scoundrels. Will the author of courage have enough to admit that he is not right if the rhetoric from above changes?
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 20 September 2018 21: 48
      +6
      Out of the blue, they lost 15 lives. FSE members are shaking their skin. Crap. Blame everything on the Jews. A normal, experienced operator on the mark of neither the IRF nor the target’s target speed is more likely to classify the target. Tea is not for a walk in Syria. In short, the mess is complete. There are a lot of questions about the warning of air defense in the CC and in general about the coverage of airborne installations. The fire manager and senior anti-aircraft missile chief in court. All the time we learn from our mistakes, a lot of ambition.
    2. Korax71
      Korax71 20 September 2018 21: 52
      0
      Why admit ???? you can simply say that all of our supreme sold out to the Jews with giblets. Everything will be as it was. even reinforced concrete arguments will not convince. in fact, it is very beneficial to create and maintain the image of an external enemy. the people will think less.
  8. high
    high 20 September 2018 21: 47
    -17
    Quote: merkavaa
    How can four f-16s, whose average speed is about 2000 km. per hour hide behind silt - 20? I'm not special.
    Let the competent commission sort it out, not emotions.

    1. Israel warned its Russian colleagues about the airstrike on the weapons depot in Latakia not in a minute, as the Russians say, but in a few minutes - this is documented.

    2. IL-20 at the time of the Israeli air strike was east of Latakia, and not in the area of ​​the Israeli Air Force.
    Only after the IDF bombed the target, did the IL-20 move west of Latakia.
    The command sent a plane to the area of ​​the French frigate Auvergne, because it suspected that it was from him that the attack was made.

    3. When Israeli aircraft had already left Syrian airspace, and the Il-20 continued to fly south and then east to land at the Khmeimim airbase, Syrian air defenses opened indiscriminate fire and shot down a Russian reconnaissance aircraft.
    Pay attention to the time: when the F-16 aircraft hit and the time when the air defense shot down the plane Il ....
    4. By the way, the Syrian army personnel related to the launch of a missile defense system, which was shot down by a Russian military aircraft Il-18, were arrested on Tuesday, September 18
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 20 September 2018 21: 52
      +11
      Quote: alta
      Israel warned Russian colleagues about airstrike on weapons depot in Latakia not in a minuteas Russians say and in a few minutes - This is documented.



      A few with what figure begins? 2? 3?
    2. Dashout
      Dashout 20 September 2018 23: 11
      +3
      in my opinion - tomorrow you will get the answer! According to Russia 24 show that Putin has assembled the Security Council of Russia - we are waiting!
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 21 September 2018 00: 14
        +5
        Zhen, meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on Fridays practice.
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    4. SEER
      SEER 21 September 2018 07: 56
      0
      A couple of minutes? ett how much?
      nobody arrested anyone. from the word at all.
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 September 2018 21: 49
    +3
    The news started the inventory of footwear for commentators VO.
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 September 2018 21: 58
    -7
    According to data from competent sources, the Israelis warned their Russian colleagues about an airstrike on a weapons depot in Latakia, not a minute, according to the media, but in a few minutes.
    IL-20 at the time of the Israeli air strike was to the east of Latakia, and not in the area of ​​the Israeli Air Force. Only after the IDF's planes bombed the target, did the IL-20 move to the west of Latakia. The command sent the Il-20 to the area of ​​the French frigate Auvergne, since it was suspected that the attack was made from it.
    Only after that, when the Israeli planes had already left Syrian airspace, and the Il-20 continued to fly south and then east to land at the Khmeimim airbase, did the Syrian air defenses open indiscriminate fire and shot down a Russian reconnaissance aircraft.

  11. Samara_63
    Samara_63 20 September 2018 21: 59
    -5
    Our Generals look awful! They don’t deal with themselves, apparently they thump ...
  12. shans2
    shans2 20 September 2018 22: 10
    +4
    Moscow. September 20th. INTERFAX.RU - The leader of the Lebanese Shiite organization Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, said that she received "high-precision missiles", despite Israel's attempts to prevent this.
    "This has been done. The resistance movement has precision-guided missiles," Nasrallah said Thursday on a local TV station.
    "If Israel starts a war against Lebanon, it will suffer a fate that it never expected," Nasrallah said.

    It looks like Lebanon 2006 seems like a soft pendell against the future))
    1. merkavaa
      merkavaa 20 September 2018 22: 34
      -6
      He had already climbed out of the bunker.
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        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 September 2018 23: 22
          -10
          Quote: shans2
          It’s not him who’s fighting, he’ll destroy you from the bunker ... Kissinger set the year 2022 for the final solution of the Israeli question, now news is coming through all the channels, yes, the Persians and the hesboll are very excited and ready to cheer you out, the United States will not intervene ... hava grave for you. mouse)

          Which Kissinger books have you read? )))
          I suspect that none. He didn’t say this, fake
          1. SEER
            SEER 21 September 2018 07: 59
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar

            Which Kissinger books have you read? )))
            I suspect that none. He didn’t say this, fake

            you ask your uncle. according to your words, your uncle has 25% from Krasnodar lands .. did I forget something?
        3. alexsipin
          alexsipin 21 September 2018 00: 32
          -7
          Quote: shans2
          Kissinger set the year 2022 of the final resolution of the Israeli question

          Khrushchev promised communism by the year 80, and Gorbachev by 2000 the apartment to every family. And How? It happened?
  13. mvd ru
    mvd ru 20 September 2018 22: 14
    +7
    Quote: linkor11
    Listen, hockey player, so maybe you better participate in specialized sports sites, I feel you're a big hockey expert. But it would not be worth it to interfere in serious military-political clashes and, at the same time, insult an entire nation. So it will be better for you.

    It’s really not worth insulting, but you read what comments were written on your TV channel 9 in the forum, so we have some emotions over the edge, but some of your countrymen also do not disdain rudeness
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 September 2018 22: 49
      -7
      On 9-ke a lot of pro-Ukrainian ..mmmm ... the departure of human life.
      1. SEER
        SEER 21 September 2018 08: 02
        +1
        bear it? Mogby and about the Holocaust nurse include. didn’t? protect? he doesn’t understand ...
  14. Приговор
    Приговор 20 September 2018 22: 14
    +2
    I would be shy about this hand shake, after what they did. All this is disgusting. What dirt.
  15. dimann271
    dimann271 20 September 2018 22: 34
    0
    You wait! From somewhere, it will fly! Because we got it !!!
  16. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 20 September 2018 22: 34
    +2
    The meeting went well, and the parties agreed to continue coordinating their actions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
    yeah, keep up the good work
  17. high
    high 20 September 2018 22: 41
    -8
    Israeli Air Force commander: Syrian air defenses fired several anti-aircraft batteries that fired for more than half an hour, that is, after the Israeli planes left Syrian airspace.
    At the same time, fire was fought in three different directions - south towards Lebanon, east deep into Syrian territory, and also west, towards the sea, to the area where the Il-20 was located.
    1. aiden
      aiden 20 September 2018 23: 58
      +6
      Tell me a Jew, have you ever recognized your wrongfulness at state damage? I don’t remember this. You will constantly whitewash yourself, spin like in a frying pan. Yes, you can’t even call you men, a man, if he’s not right, will recognize this. For you there is no concept of honor and dignity
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 21 September 2018 05: 11
        -1
        Quote: aiden
        , man, if not right, then admits it.

        you, most importantly, do not forget this commandment!
        1. SEER
          SEER 21 September 2018 08: 04
          -1
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Quote: aiden
          , man, if not right, then admits it.

          you, most importantly, do not forget this commandment!

          let not forget! the main thing is that you do not let you forget how it is.
  18. TOR2
    TOR2 20 September 2018 22: 43
    +6
    Quote: alta
    The command sent a plane to the area of ​​the French frigate Auvergne, because it suspected that it was from him that the attack was made.

    Mmmda. In a discussion of the topic in two places this nonsense appears. The F-16 flight was not fixed by anyone. And the fact of dropping bombs, too, somehow missed everything. If so, then how is the security of the air base generally ensured. The Syrians did not know about the IL-20, while how did he work with several areas.
    The truth lies in a short stretch of time. When our air defense recorded a drop of bombs, where at that moment the Il-20 was located, and which teams came on board.
  19. flicker
    flicker 20 September 2018 22: 48
    +5
    Is this the first provocation of Israel? Let me remind you that on April 9 of this year, when everyone was expecting attacks on Syria from NATO ships, at about 3 a.m. unknown planes launched a missile strike on the Syrian air base Tifor from the Mediterranean Sea, this attack could provoke Russian attacks on NATO ships. But we were able to identify these aircraft, they turned out to be Israeli. The meanness failed. Whenever Netanyahu was going to Russia and after his return strikes were made against Syria, they say, all this with the consent of Russia, although Russia all the time advises Israel to refrain from striking against Syria. The goal is to spoil relations between Iran and Russia. Assist terrorists, supply weapons, treat, evacuate, shell Assad troops. Provoke Russia to overly aggressive actions.
    The last situation from the same series, but they did not count on such a reaction. They expected that a debriefing session between Russia and Syria would begin, and Israel would chuckle on the sidelines, they counted on Russian cries of "what are we doing there in Syria" inside, but as soon as the response of the Russian Ministry of Defense followed, it immediately became no laughing matter, rushed to save situation, everyone began to justify themselves vying with each other, and "stupid, uncalculated actions ... it would be necessary to apologize ... it was necessary to inform in time", they heard Putin's complaint, they cheered up a little, they say, this Russian Defense Ministry has messed up something and is justified. But the Ministry of Defense knows perfectly well what happened and all these excuses of Israel are perceived as a mockery. What will happen next, we'll see, but there will be
  20. mvd ru
    mvd ru 20 September 2018 22: 55
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    On 9-ke a lot of pro-Ukrainian ..mmmm ... the departure of human life

    maybe so, you read some Israelis offer deep relations to tear, etc. ..... also on emotions probably ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 September 2018 23: 34
      -12


      Read local comments. In Hebrew speaking Israel they say that at the time of the downing of the IL-16 they were already in the country, no one is surprised that the Russians were shot down by the Syrians, since we know them well, and attach great importance to relations with the Russian Federation and hope that Natanyagu will prevent the supply of S-300 to Syria, despite the fact that after the death of the Russians it will be difficult for him to do.
      1. SEER
        SEER 21 September 2018 08: 11
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Read local comments. In Hebrew speaking Israel they say that at the time of the downing of the IL-16 they were already in the country, no one is surprised that the Russians were shot down by the Syrians, since we know them well, and attach great importance to relations with the Russian Federation and hope that Natanyagu will prevent the supply of S-300 to Syria, despite the fact that after the death of the Russians it will be difficult for him to do.
        how's uncle doing with 25%? is everything okay? happy go and how f-16 worked? but it seems that Syria will still have s-300s.
        you, by your deeds did everything for this, my congratulations! eat cold.
  21. merkavaa
    merkavaa 20 September 2018 23: 34
    -6
    The first time I hear that Russian troops in Syria provide the security of Israel and its pilots. And it seemed to me that Russia was supplying air defense to Syria for their destruction.
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 21 September 2018 00: 05
      +9
      Let me try to explain.
      Consider this simple example. Suppose the armed forces are private security organizations, or private security organizations, protecting enterprises (countries). So here. The territory of my enterprise (Syria) is protected, in addition to my private security enterprise (CAA), by several more. A neighboring enterprise (Israel), fearing due to personal hostility of the raider seizure or damage to its property by one of the private security organizations (IRCS), sends its private security organization (IDF) to the territory of my enterprise (Syria) to liquidate the employees of this private security organization (IRIS), or forcing me (Syria) to break with them a contract. As a result of the return fire of the employees of my private security company (SAA) at the employees of a neighboring enterprise (Israel) who invaded a guarded object (Syria) at night and opened fire on employees of the private security company (IRGC) and night shift workers, employees of the third private security agency (RF Ministry of Defense) bypass perimeter without weapons and caught in the line of fire. Who in this situation exceeded the necessary defense and was there an urgent need for the actions of a neighboring enterprise (Israel), taking into account the security guarantees given by the leadership of the third private security agency (RF Ministry of Defense)? And should employees of the private security institution (IDF) penetrate (repeatedly) to a guarded facility (Syria) and open fire on employees of the private security agency (IRGC) and other private security organizations that guarded the facility, including the deaths of employees (citizens) of the enterprise (Syria)?
      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 21 September 2018 01: 46
        -7
        I understand everything, but Syria has repeatedly attacked us, and recently there was a war with Hizbalah. where our people died, it all started with the kidnapping of soldiers. Does Israel do something to them? They do this because the Islamists hate us, they want to kill us all. What should we do, wait until death comes to us and we are all killed? Then all the "rules" will be followed?
        1. Sadko88
          Sadko88 21 September 2018 02: 11
          +5
          No need to wait until they kill. Need to negotiate. To do this, three things must be done. Force yourself to conclude a politically disadvantageous world. To create conditions so that neighboring countries have something to lose during the war with Israel. Invest in their economy. Become a guarantor of their safety. Not immediately, but in a generation, these countries themselves will protect Israel. Terrorism is the son of unemployment, poverty and hopelessness. Apart from the few who make money on it. By destroying Iraq, the United States strongly set Israel up. Trump correctly said yesterday.
          1. merkavaa
            merkavaa 21 September 2018 02: 14
            -2
            I am a simple person, what can I do.
            1. Sadko88
              Sadko88 21 September 2018 03: 42
              +3
              One is probably not enough. There is such a book by Harry Harrison "The Invincible Planet". It would be nice if all the participants in the conflict read it in childhood
        2. Glavmec
          Glavmec 21 September 2018 08: 51
          +2
          And so you have to kill the Russians?
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      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 21 September 2018 07: 44
        -5
        when the Assad attacked Israel, or when a Hezbollah bombarded us, the soldiers were abducted. where were you when Assad attacked thousands of tanks from the ussr. and now you say sovereignty?
        1. Sadko88
          Sadko88 21 September 2018 13: 22
          0
          This past. Then we also need to bomb preventively time after time all who attacked us once? Turn all countries into ruins around you, fence yourself off with a wall? The more Israel kills, the more enemies it has in the region. I explained with the example of a private enterprise enterprise who is wrong. I don’t think that the relatives of our military soldiers who died believe that the calculation of the AAA defense is guilty. And if your soldiers were abducted and you invaded Lebanon, then will we liken ourselves to it? You can not agree, but ignoring the rules you can’t expect what will happen to you according to the rules. The key to peace is forgetting the past to sit down at the negotiating table. And not with each one individually, but all at once
  22. gurta
    gurta 20 September 2018 23: 36
    -10
    why Israel warned its Russian colleagues about its operation in the SAR only a minute before the tragedy with the Il-20 Russian Aerospace Forces is not given.
    But is the author sure of what has been said?
    Check the author. A minute before the attack.
    IL shot down by the Syrians half an hour after that.
    1. Volga073
      Volga073 21 September 2018 03: 58
      +2
      You're lying. Read the data.
  23. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 21 September 2018 00: 10
    +3
    Netanyahu explained the purpose for which he sent the Israeli Air Force commander to Moscow


    Why, justify of course. Not even a day had passed, and they had already collected all the information and uncle Vova, like tsypas on tsirly, rushed off.

    Another thing is the result of all this. This question is still open.
    1. SEER
      SEER 21 September 2018 08: 19
      +1
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Netanyahu explained the purpose for which he sent the Israeli Air Force commander to Moscow

      Why, justify of course.

      not justified but a shadow on the wattle fence however. I really don’t understand how, people with the surname Liberman will make excuses? funny however. but I would have looked ....
  24. SEER
    SEER 21 September 2018 00: 23
    +4
    Sorry friend, I will unsubscribe again without reading the comments.
    What is immediately to me that is called in the eye:
    "According to Netanyahu, it is important to demonstrate openness between the military departments of the two countries and continue to work to protect citizens (Israel) in close cooperation between Israel and the Russian Federation.
    What can be demonstrated there?
    so someone and the Russian Federation really demonstrates test cooperation - so far no one from their state has even gently landed. although they pushed it very, very much.
    Now it seems that Lieberman flew to Moscow.
    Hexagonal? Why do you think? It seems to be pinned.
    The GDP said it agreed with the Minister of Defense.
    And the Minister of Defense once said something unambiguously.
    Yab wanted to fall asleep for a week. And there to see.
    And you, with a blue hexagon and on white, what do you think?
    Like, again, "orphan" tried to drive us down and we kaaaak ... much in advance all already pidmanUli?
    What will it be?
  25. merkavaa
    merkavaa 21 September 2018 01: 42
    -7
    It was not necessary to fly at this time when the Russian plane was there, a fatal mistake. Did the Israelis know that il -20 is now nearby there? If you flew later half an hour, what's the difference? And there would be no risk, and no one would die.
    1. SEER
      SEER 21 September 2018 02: 40
      +2
      Quote: merkavaa
      It was not necessary to fly at this time when the Russian plane was there, a fatal mistake. Did the Israelis know that il -20 is now nearby there? If you flew later half an hour, what's the difference? And there would be no risk, and no one would die.

      next time it’s better not to take off from your airfields. from the word at all.
      are you sitting Well, sit. until the fall of f-16 and other birds began. is this clear??
      parted, little twisters ...
      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 21 September 2018 02: 56
        -4
        Israeli planes do not fly near the borders of Russia, it is you near us.
      2. merkavaa
        merkavaa 21 September 2018 03: 23
        -7
        I meant that Israel didn’t have to do maneuvers while your plane was there, or didn’t we know that it was there? who knew that the monkeys will shoot everything anywhere.
        1. ultra
          ultra 21 September 2018 08: 04
          +1
          Quote: merkavaa
          who knew that the monkeys will shoot everything anywhere

          Well, of course, all around the "monkeys" or the goyim, but in general on the whole planet there are only "God's chosen" people !!!
  26. merkavaa
    merkavaa 21 September 2018 02: 09
    -8
    We wrote that the Syrians launched dozens of missiles in about forty minutes.
    in Hebrew https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5354651
    1. SEER
      SEER 21 September 2018 02: 42
      +6
      Quote: merkavaa
      We wrote that the Syrians launched dozens of missiles in about forty minutes.
      in Hebrew https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5354651

      we wrote that the Syrians, in their skies that they want something and let it go. you were not expected there. Comprand? or translate into Hebrew?
      1. merkavaa
        merkavaa 21 September 2018 07: 41
        -6
        Syria attacked Israel with thousands of tanks, now the sky is not theirs.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 21 September 2018 08: 23
      -5
      By the way, this was confirmed by the war correspondent during the evening with Solovyov. He said that gaps (or rather attack) was heard for forty minutes.
  27. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD 21 September 2018 02: 46
    +2
    Quote: merkavaa
    I just looked at some site for speed.
    We must now "remove" the information from the air defense system that fired and compare the data. It is believed that they fired almost an hour after the attack by Israeli planes.

    what is there "in an hour" ..? - after five hours, five hours later! "there is an opinion" - but there are official data, which nevertheless, in this case, cause greater confidence than your "have an opinion"
    1. merkavaa
      merkavaa 21 September 2018 02: 57
      -6
      where is this data? so no one said anything to the public.
      1. ultra
        ultra 21 September 2018 08: 05
        +1
        Quote: merkavaa
        where is this data? so no one said anything to the public.

        There was a statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense, everything in my opinion was clearly said.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 September 2018 09: 45
          -5
          there were several statements. in one silt shot down at 23 00, in another at 22 00.
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  29. Volga073
    Volga073 21 September 2018 03: 55
    0
    He will cry, climb to hug, kiss - and then hit Russia again.
    Syria has been bombed more than 200 times - and all with impunity.
    Now set to Russian military bases.
  30. Volga073
    Volga073 21 September 2018 03: 56
    +3
    Also greet the handle ((
    Although the Russian guys have not been buried so far.
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  32. Alex66
    Alex66 21 September 2018 07: 06
    +2
    The raven will not peck out the crow's eye, it seems so. It is foolish to wait from our government for harsh measures against Israel, many have friends and relatives there, many rest there and are treated. So everyone will blame on the Syrians. My opinion was that if the Syrians had blocked IL-20, Assad would immediately have rushed to Moscow to apologize (the sword cannot be blamed for his guilty head), and he was silent when everyone expressed condolences, he came to see himself after the offer to take everything upon himself.
    1. merkavaa
      merkavaa 21 September 2018 07: 37
      -7
      So the Syrians brought him down. S-200 is not a threat to the f-16. I’ve been hooked once because of a pilot’s mistake, and I think Israeli pilots have flown there a couple of hundred times, and they’ve been firing the S-200 for a dozen years.
      1. SEER
        SEER 21 September 2018 08: 23
        +5
        and mi, the chosen ones, passed by ... but how well ...
      2. Alex66
        Alex66 21 September 2018 08: 53
        +4
        Look Assad seems to be to blame, but not in Moscow with an apology, you have nothing to do with it, but your delegation is already with us, why? Data can simply be transmitted or briefed. Apparently there is a need for a trip and they sent an apology to the one to blame, the Air Force commander.
        1. SEER
          SEER 21 September 2018 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: Alex66
          Look Assad seems to be to blame, but not in Moscow with an apology, you have nothing to do with it, but your delegation is already with us, why?

          the cat knows whose meat has eaten. here liberman on a super express rolled.
  33. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 21 September 2018 07: 55
    +3
    Everything is clear. No one is to blame. It’s just a chain of tragic accidents and the plane crashed. But the cause and effect of everyone on the surface. You probably can’t fly the VKS and sit quietly at the airfields. Only intervention countries can fly there. 18 countries climbed into Russia during the civil
  34. Avior
    Avior 21 September 2018 09: 49
    -6
    the more you read, the more misunderstandings.
    It seems clear that the S-400 was activated at least after the warning, and thus they should have seen both the IL and the S-200 missile, a healthy fool.
    But from the analysis of messages the conclusion follows - it turns out, did not see?
    Otherwise, the French would not be sculpted.
    Assad never apologized.
    And the farther, the more suspicions that came from the S-400.
  35. revnagan
    revnagan 21 September 2018 10: 00
    0
    Ha, if their plane was "accidentally" shot down while approaching Moscow, then it would be a real "apology". ..And so ... at least Norkin ... at least hole .... circus.
  36. stasimar
    stasimar 21 September 2018 10: 25
    0
    Shame on my gray hairs
  37. Old26
    Old26 21 September 2018 11: 21
    0
    Quote: merkavaa
    I read in our media that it was not a minute, but a few minutes.
    They also say that they previously warned in advance, but then yours warned the Iranians about the blow, and they exported everything.

    Whatever you read there, but our MO sometimes contradicts itself. If, as was said at the briefing, the message from Israel came 1 minute before the raid, that is, at 21.59, and the entire raid lasted from 22.00 to 22.10, and the death of the IL - at 22,07, then the difference between the information about the raid and the death is EIGHT minutes. What, during this time it was urgently impossible to remove the IL from the zone ???
    1. high
      high 21 September 2018 15: 21
      -3
      The report of the Israeli Ministry of Defense indicates that the Syrian air defense missile that shot down the IL-20 was launched an hour after the Israeli Air Force left the site.
      By the time the Syrian air defense worked, the F-16s were already back in Israeli airspace. Fighters left the operational zone of fire even before a Russian plane entered it; it is impossible for a radar operator to confuse F-16 and IL-20.
  38. Zina389
    Zina389 21 September 2018 15: 15
    -4
    the arabesians are useless to blame. What to take from them? It's like blaming a donkey for not being a racehorse. Blaming ourselves for this is not sovereign. Remains Israel. But the interests of the parties have not changed. so no major changes are expected.
  39. merkavaa
    merkavaa 21 September 2018 16: 28
    -2
    Now we are waiting for data from Moscow. - data from the air defense battery, the results of the interrogation of those who shot. By the way, where are they? Assad and Iran are profitable.
    Also an apology from Zakharova to Shoigu.
    1. ultra
      ultra 22 September 2018 10: 11
      0
      Quote: merkavaa
      Now we are waiting for data from Moscow. - data from the air defense battery, the results of the interrogation of those who shot. By the way, where are they? Assad and Iran are profitable.
      Also apologies from Zakharova to Shoigu

      And I personally expect at least the recall of the ambassador from Israel with all the ensuing from this.
    2. ultra
      ultra 22 September 2018 10: 13
      0
      Putin's "friendship" with Israel resulted in the death of our servicemen.
  40. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 September 2018 20: 15
    0
    They knock us down, and we all improve and improve cooperation with them. I am about Turks and Jews. Very Orthodox. Hit on the right cheek, substitute the left.