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The tragedy of IL-20. Gun shot not as expected

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Just a few days ago, before the tragedy with the Il-20, it seemed that the events in Syria would follow the same scenario as it was in April last year and in April of the current one. Shooting a fake movie about how the Syrian army used a chemical weapon, demonstration by the leading Western media of “dead” children (and even those killed for real, precisely for the sake of staff), Nikki Haley’s hysteria in the UN Security Council, Trump’s terrible tweets and, finally, another Tomahawks night.


The tragedy of IL-20. Gun shot not as expected


Only here the attack was expected at a different level than in previous times. The case could not be limited to individual buildings. Moreover, Washington was trying to attract other allies to its anti-Syrian operation, who had not participated before. In particular, Germany. We could observe the impudent pressure on this country and (as its result) the constantly changing position of Berlin. In order to carry out an attack on "abandoned sheds", it is not necessary to involve someone else.

It was possible to assume that for the American authorities this time it was important to deliver at least a symbolic blow to any Russian objects in Syria (as well as Iranian ones). It is precisely symbolic, which would not cause a serious "otvetka", but would be a slap in the face from a moral point of view. This was evidenced by the publication in the American press (in particular, in the Wall Street Journal).

But Russian diplomats and the Ministry of Defense this time worked efficiently. About the upcoming provocation in Idlib was reported in advance. This issue was discussed at the highest international level. True, the United States responded with excuses: they say, this is all Russian propaganda, and White Helmets activists who remove the fake are real heroes.

It seemed that in parallel there are two realities. In one of them, right before the eyes of the whole world, false video clips are produced, in the other, evidence is provided that they are deceitful. And one could only marvel at the impudence of the United States, which have used the same technique so many times. It only remained to wait until the gun, taken out on the scene, fired.

But one cannot exclude the possibility that an understanding was born in Washington that this time such a lie would not be rolled. Of course, the Western man in the street shavaet anything, but questions about the veracity of American propaganda will inevitably arise. Especially if it comes to something more dangerous than the bombing of Syria (and this is just the attack against Russian and Iranian objects). And the preparation for the provocation in Idlib turned out to be just a smoke screen covering the “Plan B”.

It is no secret that the United States often act not directly, but by proxy. Washington has many allies in the Middle East, and Israel is one of them. No wonder the American president Donald Trump gives the Jewish state full support in his adventures, even when it is completely contrary to common sense. The US authorities could not assume that the recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and the transfer of the embassies there would lead to heavy clashes with the Palestinians and to misunderstanding even among the Western allies. Nevertheless, went to this step. Well, now Israel had to work out that support.

Especially since Tel Aviv has a certain advantage in Syria. If Moscow is actively fighting against attempts by the US and NATO to attack the closest Russian ally in the Middle East, this is not the case with Israeli acts of aggression. Our leadership directly calls the US-NATO aggressor the aggressor. When it comes to the Israeli bombardment of Syria, the more streamlined language is heard. Still, many Israelis at the same time have Russian citizenship, there is a visa-free regime between Moscow and Tel Aviv, and generally speaking, the ties of the Russian elite with this state are close. A significant part of Russian society (unfortunately, this is not only frank liberals) even treats with understanding Israel’s actions in Syria (it’s all for the sake of security).

On the eve of the tragedy with the Russian aircraft, the presidents of the Russian Federation and Turkey, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took another step that Washington did not expect. Now, the operations of the Syrian troops with the support of the Russian videoconferencing against the "Idlib gadyushnik" will not. For better or worse, a separate conversation, especially since Turkey behaves in many ways similar to Israel and enjoys the same privilege - the Russian authorities turn a blind eye to its aggressive anti-Syrian actions. But if the US did intend to push through the chemical imposition scenario, then they lost an important trump card.

But the demonstrative attack of Israel just in the area where the Russian facilities are located is for Washington what the doctor ordered. There is no formal reason for a direct collision. Israel Syria can be bombed. And the airstrikes inflicted near the Hmeimim airbase and Tartus are a very tangible slap in Russia.

Such an event as the death of a Russian aircraft with military personnel could hardly have been calculated in advance. But it turned out even more of what Washington wanted: Russia was punished for disrupting the provocation in Idlib much harder than just a moral slap in the face.

The working version of the tragedy with the aircraft was that the Syrian air defenses were aimed at Israeli fighters, and hit by IL-20. It is hardly worth accepting it as the ultimate truth - especially given the fact that the fateful night also recorded salvos from a French ship not far from the Syrian coast (French attacks on the Syrian coast confirm that this attack was not a purely Israeli adventure , and deliberate western slap in Russia).

But if Russia would declare Israel or France to be the direct culprit, then the consequences in general could go far beyond Syria. They found what is called a mitigating wording: the plane hit a Syrian rocket, and Israel is indirectly to blame.

We can say one thing: the gun that Washington put on the scene fired, but not as expected. Not like Russia expected. And not even the way the United States expected. The whole question is whether Moscow’s relatively loyal attitude towards Israel’s actions will be revised. Until now, his crimes in Syria have been watched with half-closed eyes. And if it finally stops, it means that the guys whose lives were interrupted in such a terrible way did not die for nothing.
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  1. Karakurt
    Karakurt 20 September 2018 15: 08
    +33
    - Little Johnny, did you break the window?
    “I, Marivanna, but Izya is to blame!”
    - Why?
    - I threw a stone at his brazen face, but he ducked!

    These are the comments, accompanied by a friendly laugh from the "chosen ones"
    1. elenagromova
      20 September 2018 15: 11
      +29
      Only in the joke is silent about the fact that this same Izzy did not study in this school, but came to blow it up.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 September 2018 15: 30
        +5
        To say that this is such a twist of consciousness, i.e. do nothing, knowing that Izya will come to "hooligan" in ANOTHER school ... and Little Johnny is to blame, because a shrill, crazy crowd will intercede for Izya under the slogan "onizhedeti"!
        However, we can think well and throw complaints to Vovochka's "teachers", sho they taught him badly, throw stones more precisely?
        1. elenagromova
          20 September 2018 15: 37
          +8
          Oh yes ... The conditional "Little Johnny" was made indirectly guilty, so as not to quarrel with the powerful lobby ... The fact that the Syrian missile hit the plane was announced BEFORE the wreckage was found ...
      2. TAMBU
        TAMBU 20 September 2018 15: 32
        -6
        it’s strange that you don’t drink first-graders blood ... you lose style ...
        1. elenagromova
          20 September 2018 15: 36
          +10
          And what, the aggressor does not shed another's blood?
          1. dSK
            dSK 20 September 2018 15: 49
            +4
            Quote: elenagromova
            The whole question is whether Moscow’s relatively loyal attitude to actions will be revised. Of Israel. Until now, his crimes in Syria have been watched with half-closed eyes. And if it finally stops

            Where is the reason? It was announced in advance that the Syrian "switchman" was to blame, although no one saw whose missile hit the IL-20, its fragments have not been studied and the facts are 0,0.
            Crash as a result of tragic accidental circumstances. hi
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 20 September 2018 19: 24
              +8
              Quote: dsk
              Crash as a result of tragic accidental circumstances.

              if CAM said so, it does not mean that this is "the ultimate truth." he knows how to juggle with words.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 September 2018 21: 56
              +2
              Quote: dsk
              Crash as a result of tragic accidental circumstances.

              Yeah, only the tragic circumstances somehow look strange. Ilya Muromets swung at Tugarin, but as a result of a mistake he killed Dobrynya. From the Jewish (Tugarin) side, of course, Ilya is to blame.
              But in fact, everything is much deeper - this is a classic Jewish provocation, they have centuries of experience in this matter, with their intrigues they expose not even allies - brothers, under attack. Brothers teach history, an example in the Bible, a "fairy tale" about Esther.
          2. TAMBU
            TAMBU 20 September 2018 16: 00
            -6
            Spills and "not the aggressor". And in this case, too, someone else's ...
          3. The comment was deleted.
    2. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 18: 47
      +2
      Karakurt, -The situation with Vovochka is somewhat different: After the teacher’s question, why? The answer would be: Izya showed me faces and called names, I threw a stone, Izya waited for that, bent down and a stone broke a window ... This is somewhat more true, because the Syrian air defense provoked Israeli F-16s with combat launches, hiding behind the IL-20. ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 September 2018 19: 20
        +5
        Firstly, Izya was not invited to that school, sales were forbidden to approach (not menacingly enough and not those whom he could obey). Second, Izya the provocateur is over, he will fix this only .... emigration to Mars!
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 September 2018 23: 26
      0
      If you relate to a serious article at the level of a joke about Vovochka, then I understand your level of development and thinking.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 September 2018 08: 50
        +3
        Ha, ha, of course it is discussed with humor, but it is intelligible, understandable ..... to everyone who has a sense of humor, of course.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 20 September 2018 15: 12
    +12
    If EVERYONE who should be supposed to know that the gun HANGS and it IS LOADED, then why such dire consequences ???
    And then you can list about the lack of competence of those responsible, about the meanness of "sworn friends", about the skill of striped and island "partners" and .....
    all this is true, but people have died !!! Our people, faithfully fulfilling a duty to the MOTHERLAND ???
    And now I really want to ask who else honestly does his duty to the country, the people and ........
  3. Lena363
    Lena363 20 September 2018 15: 13
    -9
    This is just a stupid article by an author who does not understand the essence of the problem. Who does not even know what kind of "friend or foe" system is and why it did not stand on the Syrian air defense system due to its special secrecy! It’s just weird that the Syrians shot down so few Russian planes in her absence.
    1. elenagromova
      20 September 2018 15: 30
      +10
      Ours may be guilty of sloppiness, but those for whom you stand up for all the comments are simply world gangsters acting like tati in the night. And this crime is much harder.
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 September 2018 21: 18
        -3
        Quote: elenagromova
        Ours may be guilty of sloppiness, but those for whom you stand up for all the comments are simply world gangsters acting like tati in the night. And this crime is much harder.

        Does Elena doubt that the rocket was Syrian? belay
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 September 2018 22: 01
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Does Elena doubt that the rocket was Syrian?

          No, Levoslav, no one doubts this. But only the fool does not know the characteristics of the S-200, and the fact that the rocket chooses the largest target. And your pilots knew it for sure, going beyond the course of the approaching silt. Sanya - do not try to look like a fool, you like them are not.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 21 September 2018 05: 27
            -2
            And you ask this question of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, but did they know?
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 21 September 2018 05: 25
        -2
        Caution with words, without arguments and facts, it is best to refrain from replicas.
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 23 September 2018 11: 29
          0
          Caution with words, without arguments and facts, it is better to refrain from replicas
          Well, cover the fountain.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 20 September 2018 15: 37
      +13
      And what’s wrong there in the article?
      A man does not know something for air defense, but that is not the point!
      The issue of competence and the correct position of those who SHOULD be responsible for the safety of military personnel, including and for other aspects of our military’s participation in the conflict, far from our borders !!! Geopolitical component, economic, etc.
      There are many questions, no one is in a hurry to answer for garlic, of those that have ruling and directing.
    3. kirillovleva
      kirillovleva 20 September 2018 18: 24
      +10
      Dear, the system is not installed on export models - only on systems that are in service with the Russian Army, and in other countries as well. Do not know - do not mutter.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 September 2018 19: 22
        +6
        Each country (which can) has its own recognition system .... a big, big secret from friends too!
  4. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 20 September 2018 15: 14
    0
    But Shoigu knew something about aviation, except for his communist past?
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 20 September 2018 15: 16
      -2
      Shaw there Vova terrible said? Again in the outhouse to wet all the rockets?
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 September 2018 15: 24
      +12
      Shoigu is not a professional military man; he was immediately assigned to the general by senior lieutenant Putin.
      Putin's personnel policy is lame on all 4 legs.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 20 September 2018 15: 51
        +3
        Understand the topic first.
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 20 September 2018 16: 23
        +6
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Shoigu is not a professional military man; he was immediately assigned to the general by senior lieutenant Putin.
        Putin's personnel policy is lame on all 4 legs.

        the Minister of Defense does not have to be a soldier, just like the Minister of Health does not have to be a doctor.
        but the minister must be a smart, visionary administrator. he has strategic generals to fight.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 20 September 2018 16: 46
          +18
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          the minister of defense should not be a soldier ..... he has generals strategists to fight.

          The Minister of Defense can be a gynecologist like in Germany, a TV presenter like in Japan, even a jazz singer like in the Czech Republic, maybe a specialist in the sale of stools, but these are civilian ministerial administrators, but if the minister has put on shoulder straps for the army general, then please answer for an army in full, including for the personnel, for example, for the combined arms commander of the air forces.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 21 September 2018 08: 32
            +1
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            but if the minister put on the shoulder straps of the army general,

            I agree with you about this.
            it’s not clear why he put on his uniform.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 23 September 2018 11: 30
          -1
          ... when the Ministry of Emergencies began to create - it was so elegant; the other day he was shown to be swollen from hunger, or at 9 months old ...
      3. Berber
        Berber 20 September 2018 16: 27
        +3
        Shoigu in place. He, and even Lavrov.
    3. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 20 September 2018 15: 40
      +9
      And the Minister of Defense should be a pilot, a tankman, a signalman, a scout, etc.?))) Which is more curious at the same time?)))
  5. Conductor
    Conductor 20 September 2018 15: 39
    -3
    Well, what kind of shots do ping pongovic have. he is afraid of his own no less than strangers.
  6. Baribal
    Baribal 20 September 2018 16: 02
    +4
    The whole question is whether Moscow’s relatively loyal attitude towards Israeli actions will be revised.


    No Elena, nothing you hope for (and you hope to drag us even deeper into your swamp) will not be reviewed with respect to the actions of Israel in Syria. I’ll tell you more, we (Russia) are not at all opposed to the fact that the Iranians and the Israelis clatter, it’s their eternal fun. Only (I really hope so) will change the attitude towards the lives of our military men doing their duty.
  7. kakvastam
    kakvastam 20 September 2018 16: 16
    +3
    The whole question is whether Moscow’s relatively loyal attitude to Israeli actions will be revised. Until now, his crimes in Syria have been watched with half-closed eyes.

    It is unlikely, however, that they can completely close their eyes ...
  8. MoJloT
    MoJloT 20 September 2018 16: 18
    -1
    Washington to the scene, shot, but not as expected
    If it continues to shoot like that, the VKS has big problems. And in general it’s enough to feed the people with a story that this is a strategy that disrupts the plans of the adversary. They want to kill and kill the military men of the Russian Federation, cynically, in cold blood, but supposedly we did not shoot back because we are getting it from us - but nonsense. Ours do not answer because sex of the state apparatus, Shnipersons with Abramovichs ... From the Union to bloody diarrhea they received and they still said thanks.
    1. elenagromova
      20 September 2018 16: 34
      0
      Well, something really ripped off the provocation.
      I myself do not too much support the Idlib agreement, but the Americans did not like it either. That was followed by an otvetka in the form of the bombings of Latakia and Tartus.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 21 September 2018 09: 54
        +4
        I don’t support the Idlib agreement too much, but the Americans didn’t like it either
        Watch less TV, this is another kissel-nightingale litter. There Erdogan just showed our place. This is a stillborn contract, boltology, and no one will execute it.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 September 2018 11: 33
      -2
      ... so since 1917 such a situation - it's time to get used to it already ..
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 September 2018 16: 22
    +10
    Of course, Jews and striped are those bastards, but I would gladly instruct our kicks as well, down to the demotion and dismissal by inconsistency. You can’t take a raven in a war, it’s written in blood.
  10. Catfish
    Catfish 20 September 2018 16: 30
    +4
    Quote: elenagromova
    Ours may be guilty of sloppiness, but those for whom you stand up for all the comments are simply world gangsters acting like tati in the night. And this crime is much harder.


    Well, I can’t, damn it! Not tired, huh? Again, the Jews are to blame! Oskomin already filled. What, is the Jew to blame for his own gouging? Do not drive the blizzard and blame nothing on the mirror. OUR command should answer for the death of OUR guys and I don’t care about the Jews. When the country's leaders choose subordinates on the basis of personal loyalty, then what kind of professionalism can we talk about! From there both losses, and absolutely senseless. Do you think someone will fly stars after this? Yeah, of course, keep your pocket wider! In their own country, they dealt with the pension reform, well, abroad there too. And even if they ... all of God's dew. Tired of nausea. hi
    1. elenagromova
      20 September 2018 16: 40
      +6
      Those who carried out the attack, he is guilty. And who was behind this attack. Because it is - the root cause of what happened, even if we accept the version that this Syrian rocket hit.
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 September 2018 21: 23
        -5
        Quote: elenagromova
        Those who carried out the attack, he is guilty. And who was behind this attack. Because it is - the root cause of what happened, even if we accept the version that this Syrian rocket hit.

        But we did not attack the Russian base, for which the Syrians shot down the Russian plane? Like beat your own, what would the strangers be afraid of?
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 21 September 2018 05: 50
        -2
        It reminds me something, oh yes, the tragedy with the Boeing MN-17 over Ukraine, everything exactly as you wrote, spit on the facts, evidence, brought down Russia.
        Like the same coin, but is it time to start thinking and drawing conclusions, all the time only emotions and hysteria.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 September 2018 11: 36
      -2
      ... so - 2 fingers in your mouth and feel better ..
  11. BAI
    BAI 20 September 2018 16: 48
    +6
    whether Moscow’s relatively loyal attitude to Israeli actions will be revised

    It will not.
  12. Faceless
    Faceless 20 September 2018 16: 48
    +8
    The article makes an ambiguous impression.

    On the one hand, there are logical and, in general, true discussions about the deliberate provocation of Israel, about the American trace in this provocation (by the way, they set Israel up by this).

    On the other hand, irrepressible fantasies from the series: "We do not trust anyone - the authorities are all lying, but it was actually quite different."

    I'll try to make out. Indeed: a US attack was expected. I will say more - it is now expected. It’s not just that the AUG drove there. Russian-Turkish agreements only postponed it. The United States is generally of little interest in how their allies will look after accomplishing their intentions. Qualitatively, the attack really had to be different. In particular, there is every reason to believe that instead of the “Axes”, the main striking force should have been the “invisible” air-to-surface JASSM-ER missiles, which pose a great danger with the best performance characteristics. But so far it has not happened. We are waiting, sir.

    However, to say that the objects of the Russian Federation were to be attacked is very strange. Why did the author get this? The last few US attacks on Syria clearly show that the Americans are doing everything so that not one of their missiles flies even near the area of ​​responsibility of our air defense / missile defense. Why would they suddenly change their decision by 180 *? .. Not a single objective prerequisite for this exists (in any case, I do not know).

    The author’s fantasies on the guilt of France and Israel run counter to the official version even more questions. I will translate it into simple language: the author openly hints that our plane was shot down by a French or Israeli missile, and not a Syrian one (the last 3 paragraphs of the article - it is impossible to understand them otherwise).

    Here, not only fantasies not supported by facts are on the topic, here is the unproven rejection of the official version of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, voiced at the moment. A logical question: where does the author get objective information that refutes the data of the Ministry of Defense? Yes, and can it be in principle? The answers are obvious.
    Moreover, the means of objective control of several countries at once make it possible, with an accuracy of a second and ten meters, to establish who and where was at the time of the tragedy. These countries: Russia, Israel - for sure. USA, Syria, France, Iran - possible.

    I summarize. Analytics, unlike science fiction, involves the use of evidence in the analysis. Personal representations are not actual data.
    It is, of course, possible to question the official position of a state agency. But in order not to look ridiculous at the same time, you need to have iron arguments in support of your position, which are not in the article.
    Based on the foregoing, the analytical value of the article is obvious
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 September 2018 20: 19
      +3
      five points.. hi
  13. Catfish
    Catfish 20 September 2018 16: 50
    0
    Quote: elenagromova
    Those who carried out the attack, he is guilty. And who was behind this attack. Because it is - the root cause of what happened, even if we accept the version that this Syrian rocket hit.


    Yeah! The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev! (Jewish). good
  14. zenion
    zenion 20 September 2018 17: 10
    -3
    But after all, the Russian aircraft until the last transmitted data to the tracking center. So there are records. Apparently they can’t be watched. They are so secret. What, like in Schweik, there alone at the court said such that the judge went insane and put him in a madhouse so that nothing would come up. But apparently everything is about big money. After all, the most important thing for capital is always gesheft.
  15. steelmaker
    steelmaker 20 September 2018 18: 11
    +3
    If Syria had the S-300, then the gun would not have fired at all!
  16. bandabas
    bandabas 20 September 2018 18: 25
    +7
    A normal person will say, "Well, it doesn't matter if you have such friends, enemies and partners nearby. It's better just enemies." And, it will be right, unlike our chaotic-gingerbread leadership of the state, which can only tear up its population and constantly make good mines in case of a bad game.
  17. Waldemar
    Waldemar 20 September 2018 19: 05
    +8
    I am very sorry for the 15 Russian guys, my brother pilots. Killed for nothing. And I really want a real funeral season to open in Israel in France and the United States. Let there be a funeral on their street. And in Israel, so generally the funeral boom may begin. Toothless Russia. I would shoot down everything that flies over Syria and drown everything that launches cruise missiles, referring to the intergovernmental agreement and would regard any flight, attack, border crossing as an attack on Russia. Aircraft flew in - to shoot down, launched missiles - to level the launch point with the ground. Troops brought up equipment - carpet bombardment. Etc. Just uncompromising - just get ready and you’re a corpse. Another piss-your house in ruins.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 September 2018 19: 34
      +6
      Quote: Valdemar
      I would shoot down everything that flies over Syria and drown everything that launches cruise missiles, referring to the intergovernmental agreement and would regard any flight, attack, border crossing as an attack on Russia.

      it sounds tough and attractive ... but no ... not this power ... there, other interests that do not particularly coincide with national ones. Alas.
    2. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 21 September 2018 05: 37
      -2
      You want the Apocalypse, the epic.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 23 September 2018 05: 45
        0
        We do not want war, but we are not afraid of it, we are afraid of only one thing, that few enemies will be taken away to the next world.
  18. Peter Smith
    Peter Smith 20 September 2018 20: 10
    0
    According to rumors, the Russian C 400 is located in Latakia. Apparently next to where the plane was shot down. Based on the fact that Assad did not immediately send condolences and did not even apologize for the downed aircraft, the conclusion was that Syrian air defenses were not involved. Guess who could bring down another 20 silt?
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 September 2018 20: 38
      0
      where is the confirmation that the C-400 generally opened fire?
      1. Peter Smith
        Peter Smith 20 September 2018 20: 49
        +2
        No confirmation. But there is no rebuttal either.
  19. merkavaa
    merkavaa 20 September 2018 21: 00
    +1
    A terrible tragedy.
  20. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 20 September 2018 21: 43
    +2
    Awful of it all! But couldn’t a plane that saw everything see fighter attacks? And is there really no way to more tightly cover the airspace of Syria, especially in its west?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 September 2018 09: 06
      +2
      The question is - do you understand what "tightly cover" is, ie. to create a SYSTEM of airspace control over the state + control of adjacent territories in a ravaged, war-torn country .... at the same time, take into account that in the best times the servicemen of this country did not differ in special skill and CONTROL !!!
      Believe me, there’s such a mess… ours is far from all right, for various reasons. In addition, the seven nannies will always have a child undernourished, unfinished, etc. under the list ....
    2. ver_
      ver_ 23 September 2018 11: 41
      -1
      ... that everything is there - there is no desire ..
  21. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 21 September 2018 10: 39
    +1
    Well, at least our Su-25, Su-30, Su-34 did not have time to climb the interception ....
  22. Catfish
    Catfish 21 September 2018 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: Victoria-In
    Well, at least our Su-25, Su-30, Su-34 did not have time to climb the interception ....


    Vika, do you think they would be beaten?
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V 21 September 2018 12: 04
      +3
      Rather yes than no.
  23. high
    high 21 September 2018 15: 31
    -2
    From the documents of the Israeli Defense Ministry: a Syrian air defense missile that shot down IL-20 was released an hour after the Israeli Air Force aircraft left this place.
    By the time the Syrian air defense worked, the F-16s had already returned to Israeli airspace. Fighters left the operational zone of shelling even before a Russian plane entered it; it is impossible for a radar operator to confuse F-16 and IL-20.

    By the way, the president of Russia refuses to answer the phone calls from the president of Syria after the Syrian forces shot down a Russian plane.
  24. Nibiru
    Nibiru 21 September 2018 17: 09
    +5
    It seems to me that our IL-20 was not shot down by the Syrians. And they put it on them. The story with Kursk is repeated. Therefore, B. Assad was silent for four days.
  25. rum
    rum 22 September 2018 11: 00
    +2
    Karakurt, you are great ... Provoke stupid people from the country of Israel .. The fact is that they are all Russian-speaking .... and they are not * selected * .... They are all Russian for the Jews .... wink Normal * Real * Jews do not sit on sites and do not write that Russians are fools, but they are smart .... Here most of the residents are our * brothers Ukrainians *, service workers .. well, and the rest of the public .... They are massive The conclusions show that everyone thinks like them .... And this site, over the past 2 years, is sliding lower and lower ....
  26. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 24 September 2018 20: 37
    0
    "... Still, many Israelis simultaneously have Russian citizenship, there is a visa-free regime between Moscow and Tel Aviv, and indeed, to be sure, ties of the Russian elite with this state are close."

    Here it was necessary to begin with the last sentence. And by the way, they also finish.