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Questions on the wreckage

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Now, when my head is more or less cool and not so bitterly aware of another blow to the reputation of the country as a whole and the Armed Forces in particular, I want to ask a few questions.


The questions are not equally divided, but addressed to ours and theirs.



1 question. Geopolitical.

Would consider a love triangle, but ... Judge for yourself. Syria. With Syria, we all understand. Friend, ally and all that. We are protecting Syria from someone, fighting international terrorism on its territory and so on. Well, there all are fighting terrorism, the United States, France, Britain, Israel. Perhaps only Turkey is not at war. Yes, the Turkish contingent has a place to be present, but not so much in terms of combating terrorists, but in terms of enlightening the Kurds, who are their headache for Turkey. In general, it is also its "own" war, as in Israel.

Israel. Israel is fighting terrorism with us, but somewhat with another. But at the same time fighting with Syria, with which Russia is friends. This is an important point, because Russia and Israel seem to be even in friends or partners.

And all would be fine, but there is still Iran. Iran, which is friendly with Syria, is friendly with Russia and with all its forces wants to see the final of Israel as a state.

But there is a problem. Iran has no common border with Israel to arrange there either a badabum or something else.

But there is Syria. Where the Israeli military systematically and regularly send to meet with Allah Iranian colleagues. This is generally recognized and does not require special evidence. Iranians regularly die in Syria at the hands of the Israeli military.

So the first question.

What, forgive the devil, are the Iranian military doing at such a nice distance from our base?
Or, excuse me, what was the Jewish Jews bombing there?

Considering that I have not yet heard a single intelligible protest from the Syrian, Russian and Iranian military about Israeli actions, only one conclusion. The Israelis are clearly working on the Iranian ones in accordance with some agreements.

Evidence in the form of obituaries is systematically published, Russian, as I understand it, do not care, Syrian too. Iran has these military ... Nobody really protests.

2 question. Covering up.

So, the situation: at the airfield in Latakia, less than 20 kilometers from the Hmeimim airbase, is the Boeing 747 of the Iranian airline. It seems to be loaded weapons, seemingly under unloading.

It seems to be - because the data picked up on the Israeli side.

Iran. Our ally. Iranian aircraft at the Syrian airport. 20 kilometers from our base.

Do you understand all the crap problems? Attack on the aircraft / warehouses / convoys, which are in 20-kilometers from our base. And no protection? Okay, airplanes. It's a long thing. But what about the C-400, "Pantsyrey" and other nonsense, which was donned after the downed Su-24? With this how?

It turns out that the next time the gentlemen, the Jews will work out according to Hmeinim, and will work out satisfactorily, because there either no one rypnyutsya, or ...?

Question to the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

Why then did all this equipment be dragged to Syria, shaking it to the whole world? Why did they make a bunch and one statement on the topic of the fact that “we will not allow, we will protect”?

In theory, one downed F-16 of Israel - and unparalleled advertising to our air defense system, plus silence in the airspace of Syria for a long time.

In practice - 15 dead bodies on level ground. And huge doubts about the capabilities of our air defense missile systems, as well as the capabilities of our military. About diplomats later.

3 question. Allied.

It's time to remember how everyone was happy and discussed newsthat the remnants of Syria’s air defense system, inherited from the USSR, simply luxuriously intercepts American Tomahawks. Many then noted, then. True, the experts proved that these were not the explosions of the “Topors”, but the results of the self-activators' actuation, but nothing, the picture was quite to itself.

Now, if during the last time I had not been systematically in contact with those who returned from Syria, I would probably be silent. But the fact is that I asked this question more than once or twice: “What about the Syrians?”.

The answers were different and varied. The essence is one. There are exceptions, both for the better and for the worse, but more difficult AK and RPG-7 in the bulk can not use. Does not work. Despite the education and training.

I have a question: did anyone check the level of training of these ... anti-aircraft gunners? And was there an evil uncle behind Stechkin? It is clear that he did not stand. At least I understand.

The attack of four Israeli planes lasted for 10 minutes. Fine. Arrived, shied away, flew away. Syrian air defense 40 (forty) minutes something reflected there.

Question: what did they reflect there?

And how did it come about that the Russian plane, which they should have seen perfectly on radars (yes, the blind will not see the IL-20), caught the missile that nobody even bothered to undermine with a self-destruct?

Did not see that the rocket did not go there? In general, it begs the question of who generally sits at the air defense consoles in Syria. And where is the crowd of "advisers" of the appropriate sense, who is obliged to prevent just such cases?

4 question. Diplomatic.

Now it is possible to say a lot to Israel, in fact, the people say. But here I also have a difficult question for diplomats.

And how is it that Israel wants what it does, then it gets up at the closest approaches to our air base? How, and who, sorry, agreed on this?

Where does such liberty in behavior come from? Fly where we want. Bombing where we see fit. Sorry, but with such a formulation of the question, Russia and Syria are not at all in control of the situation. And Israel.

I personally treat this last-minute warning as rudeness. Flew up, and not to get exactly, such as warned. This is what I place against Israel. Dastardly rudeness and total disregard of agreements.

As I think a little, I understand that there was no setup. F-16 shot out and flew away. And the Syrian pseudo-fighters fired wherever possible, thankfully, Shoigu supplies his ammunition from his bounty. Not Donbass, reports are not required. And in the end they got into IL.

By the way, why is there not a word from Assad? How would his "experts" work ... Netanyahu even expressed condolences. And Assad?

Yes, we have diplomacy of that ... Lame is nothing.

5 question. Last, potential.

I'll start right away with the question. About potency. When will she appear with us? If the country is not respected, but you want respect, you need to do something. So far, I see, as we are not something that is not respected, it is still more sad.

Israel does not consider it its duty to properly adjust its fighting with the Russian side and notify properly.

Iran just puts its bases and stuff where it wants in Syria. Soon, as I understand it, Iranian planes in Khmeynim will be unloaded.

Syria is not only that with the hands of its stupid and worthless warriors killed the 15 of our citizens, yet its head did not even consider it necessary to explain.

Interesting, right? Three sides in the picture drawn in the first paragraph of the quadrilateral saw Russia where? That's right, as a donor. Calmly spending for the sake of some goals their resources and people. Nothing will endure.


If so, is it not time to make others tolerate?

I’m completely satisfied with the Iranian clever people who follow the famous route through the desert. Away from ours.

It will suit me, if behind the backs of the Syrian “military” our VPs stand and lupas rigidly at the slightest suspicion of inadequate. They say the Syrian understand this well.

Well, the wreckage of a couple of Israeli aircraft, like that, without warning those who flew into the zone of our air defense, would also suit me.


And so it turns out continuous kindergarten. The aircraft was shot down by Syrians, because ours were flawed. Both diplomats and military. Well, well, that although Israel is. I mean, there is someone to blame. At least some sense.

But in general, the situation is very so-so. And the worst part is our side. Something needs to be changed.
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  1. Clueless
    Clueless 20 September 2018 08: 44
    +39
    Assad apologized, it was in the news. For the rest, I agree, because in the modern world only force is respected, and it turns out we are some kind of dwarf state the size of the middle region of Russia substitutes, and does whatever she likes - a joke.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 20 September 2018 09: 45
      +9
      As I understand, Assad expressed his condolences in a telegram, not an apology
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 September 2018 10: 27
        +11
        Girkin (who is "Strelkov") from the very beginning said that the United States and its allies operate in Syria as part of a coalition, under one leadership (the United States), while Russia and Iran are working there according to their interests, under "separate" "contracts "with the Syrian government, often, without coordinating their actions, and that this, ultimately, will not lead to any good.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 20 September 2018 10: 58
          +4
          The "Coalition" acts in Syria as occupiers, and Russia and Iran at the invitation of the legitimate government. Girkin did not talk about this?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 20 September 2018 13: 56
            +23
            And what does that change? How much can you trynde that we are there by invitation, who cares? All the rest are uninvited, here they are serious people, they do not need any permission. They do everything they want and they don’t give a damn about the distribution. And what's the use of this invitation?
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 19: 24
              +7
              The fact that the Russian Federation does not cooperate with the allied Iran and fouls under Israeli attacks and even the SAA, indicates the ill-conceived (to put it mildly, more strictly - betrayal of the allies) policy of the Russian Federation. So we have berries with IL-20, not to mention the killed Iranian general and many military, both Iranian and Syrian government forces from Israeli missiles, which are also on the conscience of the Russian air defense in Syria (or rather the government of the Russian Federation), Got game, sitting on two, even in three chairs, the wise men from the strategist of the Russian Federation, began to die both our military personnel and the latest reconnaissance aircraft ...
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 21 September 2018 01: 23
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir 5
                The fact that the Russian Federation does not cooperate with the allied Iran and is under Israeli attacks and even the CAA indicates that the policy of the Russian Federation is not thoughtful (to put it mildly, stricter, is the betrayal of the allies).

                Iran is very conditionally allied. And in one place all the interests of Russia spit
                1. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 21 September 2018 16: 31
                  +4
                  As they say, I would look at myself from the side. When the Russian Federation betrays Iranian troops in Syria (and Syrian ones too) and gives Israel impunity to constantly kill Iranians in Syria, I’m even surprised at the patience of Iranians ... But the Russian Defense Ministry praised that the sky Syria's castle. so allies are betrayed openly, Iran has never done such a thing, so what is it about ......
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 21 September 2018 17: 49
                    0
                    Russia, Iran is not profitable there
                    1. Vladimir 5
                      Vladimir 5 21 September 2018 20: 07
                      +2
                      Pupyrchaty. - So say bluntly that the Iranians in Syria are not beneficial to Israel. But for Russia it’s even very beneficial, because you don’t need to engage your ground forces in the war, it is also an ally against the United States with Kurdish warriors. And what Israel is opposed to Iran is its problems for Israel, but Russia should not allow the Israeli Air Force to kill with impunity the Iranian allies in Syria, as well as the Syrians from the SAA ...
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 22 September 2018 09: 14
                        +1
                        Russia is also not profitable, more than. Iran is trying to win over the influence in the region, and oh, how it is not necessary for Russia.
                2. Mr Credo
                  Mr Credo 22 September 2018 05: 09
                  +2
                  Well then, Israel is also a conditional partner of Russia.
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 22 September 2018 09: 52
                    -2
                    ... well, of course - when Stalin wanted to deport all the Jews from Moscow - they poisoned Stalin ...
        2. Forestol
          Forestol 21 September 2018 12: 17
          -4
          Listen, Ensign Girkin is just a promoted impostor, with the support of someone from the Office, apparently familiar with the first Chechen one. He can transmit the thoughts of smart interlocutors from the Office received during the joint USN, but no more. Do not create a seer from him Kassandra.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 26 September 2018 15: 35
        0
        Another big question is whose fault it is. Syrians, French or Jews?
    2. Faceless
      Faceless 20 September 2018 09: 58
      +7
      B. Assad sent Vladimir Putin a telegram of condolences in connection with the crash of the Russian Il-20 aircraft. The SAR President blamed Israel for the incident. Assad wrote to his Russian counterpart that the crash of the Russian plane was the result of Israel's "arrogance", which used "dirty methods" to achieve "base goals." The message was published in "Sanaa" yesterday.

      The author made definitive conclusions, without bothering to check the facts to which he refers.

      This is the clearest example of unreliable facts in an article.

      I won't even comment on the inverted Russophobic logic. Half of the answers to the author's "questions" can be found simply by opening the last few issues of Rossiyskaya Gazeta, or by following the developing situation.

      But why look for these answers, if you can ask questions without answers, along the way will expose the Russian Federation in an unseemly light? Our average statistical people always love the exclamations of "How long ?!" for any reason. Here, too, this approach will be successful.

      But this approach has nothing to do with objectivity or professional analytics.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 20 September 2018 11: 07
        -19
        It’s time for Roman Skomarokhov to be engaged in "analytics" on Echo of Moscow, the same level (even weaker sometimes), the same main message. In all articles - leave the authorities, do not be afraid of the Maidan, we will arrange a good, communist Maidan, etc. Everything else is just a reason to throw feces into GDP.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 September 2018 13: 59
          +19
          And that the GDP is so sinless and that one only needs to pray in its direction.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 20 September 2018 15: 06
          +4
          True eyes pierced, fussed.
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 20 September 2018 20: 19
          +8
          Banshee's Rights. He has brains, unlike many unsubscribing here. Although I do not always agree with him on everything, the fact of having brains is undeniable.
      2. kutuz
        kutuz 20 September 2018 19: 09
        +8
        "blamed Israel for what happened" - Assad had to act like a peasant, admit his guilt, admit his insolvency and the insolvency of his ignorant anti-aircraft gunners. That would be right. The author is absolutely right, only a blind man could not see the shot down plane, and in this situation the easiest way out is to blame everything on Israel. As in the joke "the Jew is to blame because he was there."
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 September 2018 20: 27
          +3
          Quote: kutuz
          Assad had to act like a peasant, admit his guilt, admit his insolvency and the insolvency of his ignorant anti-aircraft gunners.

          So Assad, like a true Arab, has no brains or balls. Only a cunning ass.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 20 September 2018 23: 55
        +4
        Quote: Faceless
        But this approach has nothing to do with objectivity or professional analytics.

        However, this is a steady trend. But, as we can see, the materials find their audience. Objectivity? Professional analytics? Come on, colleague, this is not the case. After all, not everyone tends to love the profession in themselves, many tend to love only themselves in the profession. Again, as we can see, the audience of such "questionnaires" is approximately homogeneous in temperament, perception and attitude towards the world around them, similar to the authors (well, a fisherman cannot peck out a fisherman's eyes laughing ). By the way, every cloud has a silver lining: it seems that the authorship of numerous anonymous provocative materials from the "news" section (presentation method, manner of presentation, etc.) is beginning to be seen. In this case, a negative result is also a result. Sincerely. hi
    3. kakvastam
      kakvastam 20 September 2018 10: 53
      +9
      Quote: Bad
      midget-sized dwarf state

      You flatter Israel absolutely shamelessly.
    4. dgonni
      dgonni 20 September 2018 12: 39
      -4
      Assad expressed condolences but did not give an apology since it was not their rocket that valnul IL-20
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 September 2018 20: 15
        0
        Quote: dgonni
        not their rocket valnul IL-20

        Oh?
    5. Shahno
      Shahno 20 September 2018 16: 45
      +3
      Well, you see, it’s not a matter of size ... And no one set you up. Know how to accept your mistakes. We know how to do it, without any show-offs there. Informed persons immediately arrived ...
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 19: 34
        -1
        Well, don’t lie, they already hate you not only for meanness, but also for lying to be arrogant ... This time they outwitted themselves, and it won’t be so easy, don’t forgive the murder of Russian citizens, as is customary for you ...
        1. mgero
          mgero 21 September 2018 18: 06
          -2
          Nu pomidorami odeljatsa.
      2. Dull
        Dull 26 September 2018 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: Shahno
        Well, you see, it’s not a matter of size ... And no one set you up. Know how to accept your mistakes. We know how to do it, without any show-offs there. Informed persons immediately arrived ...

        Lose a place at the "feeding trough"? :))) I wrote here that there is no agreement "friend or foe" between Syria and the Russian Federation, despite the hostilities. There were many "xsparts" claiming the impossibility of transferring the signature to another country. But, I did not claim it. I only asked that it is possible to install Syrian elements of the "friend or foe" system on our aircraft, even without data transmission. For example, with filling. For so many years nothing has been done. How much of such idiocy do we see under the leadership of the "parquet" people from among the servants of Pahan? It is not his children who perish because this is not a lordly business. 15 lives of commoners? More than one hundred "under-pensioners" will die of hunger a day, but the Kremlin Brotherhood does not care about that. The country is heading towards the abyss, thanks to the out of mind idiot and his jester.
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  3. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 20 September 2018 08: 51
    +29
    I have not heard another question. How did our Russian military in Syria, knowing that there is an Israeli air raid, is the Syrian air defense working, took and sent our plane to this area? Is this not criminal negligence? These data are likely to be classified in order not to substitute high-ranking Russian military. Perhaps soon, in hindsight, someone will be punished, someone will be fired.
    And Assad expressed his condolences and laid all the blame on Israel. The personnel of the battery that launched the rocket was arrested (someone might even be shot).
    There is another question on the number of our troops on board. At first they talked about 14, then it became 15. And in the lists of losses again 14 names. Here's a mess in our Ministry of Defense.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 September 2018 09: 20
      +16
      The plane flies there according to plan, but the appearance of the Yudo-Fighters is a matter of minutes, the plane, you know, the car is very fast, especially the battle one with the afterburner.
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 20 September 2018 19: 49
      0
      And in the lists of losses again 14 names. Here's a mess in our Ministry of Defense.
      What do you want? But the best minister of defense, and the fact that he did not even serve in the army, is nonsense, the main thing is personal devotion and the populist is not bad.
  4. jonht
    jonht 20 September 2018 09: 01
    +7
    Wow, an article from Roman Skomorokhov and almost without emotion and most importantly there is no call to change everything and everyone ....
    In general, it’s right, you need to change, but not only in a single country, but in the whole world ....
    Like in the DMB film "... Zhahn, be sure to zhahn. The whole world is in dust, but not now ...". Perhaps it's time to burn? Maybe the whole world is in dust "and on the rubble, we are ours, we are new?"
    This is not an appeal, it is a question for everyone, are we ready ... I, YOU, THEY, all for SUCH changes?
    If a war starts, I am ready for it, this is not an attempt to protect someone "there", this is the understanding that having lost, we will lose our identity, and this is worse than death. The depersonalized mass of Europeans (modern), eastern radikals, no longer carry civilizational principles, they are a mass of destruction and erosion of civilization ... Therefore, maybe the time has come ... "... Zhahn, we must zhahn. The whole world is in dust ... ".
    1. shark
      shark 20 September 2018 09: 28
      +9
      Your words and thoughts, as well as the words and thoughts of the author of the post, but the supreme would be in the ears. Or is it just another supreme ?????
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 20 September 2018 11: 53
        +2
        God save us from such "monarchists".
    2. Cottager452
      Cottager452 20 September 2018 09: 46
      +7
      To the hospital, darling. And no internet!
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 20 September 2018 22: 10
        +5
        In vain. The question "are we ready?" - ripe. And the end of this whole story with Syria, Donbass, sanctions depends on the answer to it.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 20 September 2018 15: 16
      +12
      To gasp? No, do not crash, but create a country that even in the sweet dream of our enemies did not appear and a little thought to crave for us. A country in which the people in a single impulse will be in its defense. And in the hands of which will be everything for this protection.
      And this is a completely different country, a bit similar to the one we lost, only better and fairer. But certainly not this country where 1% owns 90% of the national treasure.
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 20 September 2018 20: 23
        +4
        To my and yours I hope unfortunately such a country was prosrali in 1991. By the way, the current Supreme was in the rank of KGB captain in Dresden and told a fairy tale how he guarded or defended an office apartment from a crowd of Germans with a personnel station. Karl in Dresden was the headquarters of the tank army with a bunch of attached units.
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 26 September 2018 13: 19
        0
        You are 60 years late. There was already such a USSR country of the 1945-53 model
    4. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 20 September 2018 15: 52
      +4
      Worse than death? Then go and go to die. But I don’t want to die at all, you know, if all these military habits are in one place, and the desire to live somehow in the first place.
      1. jonht
        jonht 21 September 2018 01: 31
        -1
        Lie down and die, not my method, you read clearly across the lines.
        I’m just for fighting and winning, and you are afraid of death further. True, I will upset you, you definitely like all other people will die.
  5. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 20 September 2018 09: 08
    +18
    Good questions from the author! The answer to them is one - the capitalist oligarchy in power, everything is measured either by losses or by profit. Lives of people also have a price! The paradox: selling resources does not develop technology. An example of China is a human resource at the most favorable and attractive price in exchange for technology, and then combining them in production, socialism, however! And we have negative demography, as a result of economic policy! In the Russian Federation, the situation is developing for fishing in troubled waters as in 1917, it is no secret that Nicholas 2 was removed from power by his immediate environment in the wake of popular riots! Questions to the guarantor, whether you own the situation, or for artificially created problems from your henchmen, do not see betrayal! The chain of events of the 3rd quarter shows increased pressure on GDP both from within (provocation with pensions on the eve of the elections, and from the outside: sanctions, Skripal, Donbass, Syria), is there any strength to move forward?
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 20 September 2018 11: 02
      +12
      Quote: Hammer 75
      The paradox: selling resources does not develop technology.

      This is not a paradox, but inevitability. In the export model, the ideal condition is that foreigners themselves extract minerals, export them themselves, and the happy leadership of a young country only counts the money.
      Why are there any technologies? We will buy everything if necessary, but for now we will have fun. And if the pipe runs out, the descendants will come up with something themselves, we don’t care.
      This is all the costs of the psychology of the rentier, who is diligently instilled in our fellow citizens.
  6. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 September 2018 09: 18
    +32
    Israel is not at war with Iran. Therefore, Israel should slam the mitten. Frank acts of terrorism, such as raids on reactors under construction, have already got everyone out of Israel, so if they are blown up and fired at there for that, then this is not our problem.

    Similarly, it is not our problem where the Iranian aircraft will sit in Syria. There is an airfield, he is sitting. Because it has the right.

    In general, after the WWII, Israel considers itself to be the victim of Hitler so that now the whole world should forever be with him, the whole world should endure his antics. He can, they also had some kind of holocaust there was 70 + years ago.
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 20 September 2018 09: 48
      -1
      Israel is at war with Syria and is bombing on its territory.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 September 2018 10: 01
        +14
        Are we in a state of war with Georgia? Can they bomb our territory? I do not remember something, that the conflict was somehow completed by a bilateral agreement, the Georgians simply ran away, and ours did not catch up with them, saying that they had solved all the problems. They ignore our recognition of South Ossetia with Abkhazia and it turns out from their point of view that neither their territories now our bases are without their permission. Where is the war?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 September 2018 01: 29
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion

          Are we in a state of war with Georgia? Can they bomb our territory? I do not remember something, that the conflict was somehow completed by a bilateral agreement, the Georgians simply ran away, and ours did not catch up with them, saying that they had solved all the problems. They ignore our recognition of South Ossetia with Abkhazia and it turns out from their point of view that neither their territories now our bases are without their permission. Where is the war?


          There is a little difference. The only document between Israel and Syria is the disengagement agreement from 1974, which was especially stressed at the insistence of Syria that this is in no way a peace agreement.
      2. BAI
        BAI 20 September 2018 14: 30
        +5
        We and Japan have no peace.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 September 2018 08: 18
          +1
          There is a declaration of both sides about the actual world, but it is EMNIP 1956 of the year. Prior to this, too, was not and somehow lived.
    2. KERMET
      KERMET 20 September 2018 09: 52
      +3
      Events have shown that all the same, these are our problems.
  7. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 20 September 2018 09: 22
    +21
    Shoigu, of course, is not Serdyukov ...
    But the clown is still that ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 September 2018 14: 06
      +10
      And you saw what goat Shoigu appointed himself as adviser and gave her the rank of lieutenant general at 28 years old.
      Her last name is Kitaeva, look on the internet, there is something, the former model and TV show. Maybe she advised him how to fight in Syria?
      By the way, Shoigu himself is not a military man; Putin gave him the general rank immediately after the lieutenant.
      1. Sailor popeye
        Sailor popeye 20 September 2018 16: 00
        +6
        Firstly, Maria Kitaeva is not a military man at all! This is a purely civilian person. But what about the title, you ask? But what about epaulets? Do not believe! This implies…

        Second, Kitaeva is neither a major general nor a lieutenant general. Never had military ranks, and now does not have.

        Who is this Madame? And everything is very simple:

        Maria Kitaeva, Advisor to Shoigu, Acting State Advisor of the Russian Federation of the 2 class. Absolutely civilian rank assigned to her by presidential decree.
        1. Stils
          Stils 20 September 2018 21: 14
          +3
          Well, what advisers, such tips and results, respectively
          1. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg 24 September 2018 20: 20
            -1
            Quote: Stils
            Well, what advisers, such tips and results, respectively

            Well, whining about the fact that Assad should leave, is no longer heard.
      2. cradle
        cradle 21 September 2018 11: 36
        +2
        Envy is just eating you ... do you have problems with potency?
  8. Professor
    Professor 20 September 2018 09: 25
    -1
    1 question. Geopolitical.
    You climbed into a pigsty where you can’t get dirty. Regarding the Islamic State of Iran, your bosses have publicly stated that they are not able to squeeze Persians out of Syria. There will be no Persians in Syria - there will be no our attacks.

    2 question. Covering up.
    We are not bombing the Russians and, accordingly, why not bring us down. Moreover, we always warn in advance. They warned, the bombs went. While they plan to goals, you can hide the bald trait. Plus, your air defense in Syria sees our aircraft still on the way.

    3 question. Allied.
    There is a lack of coordination between the Syrian air defense system and yours. Now they can fix the situation.

    4 question. Diplomatic.
    We respect you and therefore coordinate our actions. Moreover, Bibi flies to Vova often, and now the Air Force commander is traveling with explanations to Moscow.

    5 question. Last, potential.
    Of course, technically you can shoot down a couple of our planes, only harm from this can be more than good. Mihana will applaud, but we will also have something to answer. It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things. And besides aviation, we can get to any point in Syria by other means.

    Question 6. The most recent, principled and rhetorical.
    Who in Syria orders music, Russia or the Islamic State of Iran? Answer this question and everything will fall into place.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 20 September 2018 09: 33
      +18
      I have a question for Israel. Do you consider normal practice preemptive strikes against a neighboring state?
      To clarify - according to UN guidelines, preventive strikes are outside international practice and are considered illegal. This is actually a war.
      1. Cottager452
        Cottager452 20 September 2018 09: 50
        +4
        Israel is at war with Syria.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 20 September 2018 10: 02
          +10
          What are you saying .... I didn’t know .... Why are they trading? At war?
          Then I don’t understand why Israel is so indignant at the shelling from Syria and dissatisfied with Iranian formations on Syrian territory?
          The state of war is legally from the 1948 of the year. In fact, these countries do not fight.
          But suppose there is a state of war. Then Syria has every right to strike at the Israeli airfield. If there is a "commissar in a leather jacket" behind Syria's back, this is unprovable.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 September 2018 01: 30
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            The state of war is legally from the 1948 of the year. In fact, these countries do not fight.


            Howl True hybrid war - but it is. Syria is actively fighting Hezbollah for example or Hamas
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 26 September 2018 13: 31
            0
            Well, so we and Ukraine are at war (according to Ukraine), which does not prevent the guarantor Poroshenko from having production in the country as an aggressor! (or all the workers of the Lipetsk confectionery factory partisans?)
      2. Faceless
        Faceless 20 September 2018 09: 59
        +1
        Israel and Syria have had a war since 1973.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 20 September 2018 10: 25
          +3
          There is such an interesting document "Disengagement Agreement". In 1974, Israel and Syria signed a ceasefire and separation of forces. "Not so simple". Or "it's not that simple"
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 September 2018 01: 31
            +1
            Quote: Bakht

            There is such an interesting document "Disengagement Agreement". In 1974, Israel and Syria signed a ceasefire and separation of forces. "Not so simple". Or "it's not that simple


            Yes, only there, at the insistence of Syria, it is especially emphasized that this is in no way a peace agreement
      3. Professor
        Professor 20 September 2018 10: 01
        -10
        Quote: Bakht
        0
        I have a question for Israel. Do you consider normal practice preemptive strikes against a neighboring state?

        A state in a state of war? Supporting terrorists? Yes.

        Quote: Bakht
        To clarify - according to UN guidelines, preventive strikes are outside international practice and are considered illegal. This is actually a war.

        We have with Syria ACTUALLY и LEGALLY war with the 1948 year.

        Quote: EvilLion
        Vissarionych did a lot of good, but he made a mistake with Israel.

        Recognizing the proclamation of Israel? Well, do not admit this fact that would have changed? Israel would self-destruct and Britain would change its mind to return the mandate to Palestine.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 20 September 2018 10: 17
          +26
          I have already written. You trade with the state at war.
          And now to the point. When I say that Israel is an exact copy of the Nazi state, then this is true. Hitler reasoned roughly the same way. Germany is a thief in a hostile environment of subhuman Arab (excuse the Slavic) race and has the right to attack. June 22, 1941 against Hitler, Germany dealt a preemptive strike on the USSR. And just as Hitler spoke of the exclusivity of the Jewish (or Germanic race). About her industriousness, discipline and the light of civilization.
          Currently, Ukraine is at war with the Russian Federation. If not legally, then in fact. Can Russia launch a preemptive strike on Ukraine? After all, Kiev has territorial claims against the Russian Federation to the Kuban and speaks of the collapse of the Russian Federation. Russia is at war with Japan. So what? Does this give you the right to bomb Japan? The map shows the number of NATO bases around Russian borders. According to your logic, the Russian Federation has every right to deliver a preemptive strike against bases in the Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine, defending its independence.
          These are all rhetorical questions. Your answer is YES, was known in advance. Israel is a Nazi state that pursues a policy of national fascism. Whether you like it or not, you haven’t gone a single centimeter from Hitler. I even confuse you sometimes.
          1. Professor
            Professor 20 September 2018 11: 17
            -1
            Quote: Bakht
            +4
            I have already written. You trade with the state at war.

            You wrote stupidity. We do not trade with Syria. Moreover, we have a criminal article for visiting Syria.

            We only occasionally allow Druze to visit their relatives for humanitarian reasons and deliver them our Druze apples.

            Quote: Bakht
            When I say that Israel is an exact copy of the Nazi state, it’s true

            I didn’t read further. Everything is clear with you.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 20 September 2018 11: 51
              +6
              Do not write nonsense
              According to the Israel Defense Forces in July 2018, about 30 operations were carried out to transfer humanitarian aid to the Syrians from Israelis. In total, 75 700 liters of fuel, 20 sets of medical equipment, about 77 tons of clothes, 556 tents, 30 “shadow nets”, 12,5 tons of baby food, 130 tons of food were delivered. Similar operations were carried out by the IDF unit to support good neighborly relations with Syria through the border crossing "Abashan"

              Also a water supply agreement and tourism. But what apples grown Druze is not Israeli? You write nonsense. And the fact that you don’t want to read further is quite understandable. You are building national fascism. This is all clear to me ...
              1. Professor
                Professor 20 September 2018 11: 53
                -2
                Quote: Bakht
                Do not write nonsense
                According to the Israel Defense Forces in July 2018, about 30 operations were carried out to transfer humanitarian aid to the Syrians from Israelis. In total, 75 700 liters of fuel, 20 sets of medical equipment, about 77 tons of clothes, 556 tents, 30 “shadow nets”, 12,5 tons of baby food, 130 tons of food were delivered. Similar operations were carried out by the IDF unit to support good neighborly relations with Syria through the border crossing "Abashan"

                Also a water supply agreement and tourism. But what apples grown Druze is not Israeli? You write nonsense. And the fact that you don’t want to read further is quite understandable. You are building national fascism. This is all clear to me ...

                1. Yjt
                  Yjt 21 September 2018 14: 56
                  -1
                  Well, how can such a layman explain something. Trying in vain, Oleg.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 20 September 2018 12: 32
            +9
            Quote: Bakht
            Israel is a Nazi state that pursues a policy of national fascism. Whether you like it or not, you haven’t gone a single centimeter from Hitler. I even confuse you sometimes.

            Totally agree with you ! And I had a similar opinion ... I have come across "Jewish commentators" quite a long time ago ... and not only in VO! And I noticed a long time ago that many of them have a "fascist mug"! (I, even in disputes with them, said: Do you even understand what you are saying? After all, the germs of fascism are breaking through your reasoning! Jewish fascism!) indifferent or secondary to the suffering of "non-Jews" ... for them "Israel is above all ..." in spite of Not What! In its "life" the state of Israel is guided by the "rules" that guided the fascist state ... I suppose that sooner or later the state of Israel will fall. There are some signs that Israel, albeit slowly, "drop by drop", but it weakens ... (or ... becomes different! For example, I read the story of one special battalion of Druze, Bedouin, which was once a thunderstorm of the Palestinian militants ... now it seems to be disbanded .. The reason is the changed "policy" of the Israeli government in relation to such formations ...)
        2. MoJloT
          MoJloT 20 September 2018 10: 24
          0
          Yes, yes of course, I personally decided for myself, Jerusalem is Palestine , we are waiting for the decision of the guarantor!
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 September 2018 09: 49
      +10
      I do not understand, why do not you go to the Israeli forums, and do not discuss their God's chosen people there?

      Vissarionych did a lot of good, but he was wrong with Israel. More precisely, the Jews immediately ran to the one who has more money.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 September 2018 09: 57
      +5
      We are not bombing the Russians and therefore why not shoot us down.


      Yes, yes, we want a little bit of war, but only a little bit so that we are not beaten for it.

      Anyone who has played Free PvP in any MMORPG will clearly get into a situation where someone in such a zone starts to attack your party member, because they have some sort of disassembly two years ago, but Anonymus, as you know, remembers everything and forgives nothing, and he doesn’t care that with this he is bothering you, although it seems he doesn’t touch you.

      And somehow it quickly grows into a general fight.
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 20 September 2018 10: 05
      +5
      1. Geopolitical. Are you in that pigsty?
      "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics"! - old as the world
      .All parties at the expense of Syria and the destruction of Syria resolved their issues
      Russia did not let it be destroyed ... The price of this is huge .but ..
      She has her own views on Syria and friendship has been very good for many years .. and the Russian character -help the weak and whom they beat
      Turkey wanted to solve its hemorrhoids with the Kurds and chop off the oil-bearing areas in one go. stuck in the balls.
      The conductor of all this —Main in this pigsty — as you deigned to say — create a Kurdish arc behind the Arab world and crush the Arab world with it. .
      Manifestation oversight - strong Syria - guarantor of borders and without Iranian presence in its territory
      The United States and countries where there is a lot of gas - through Syria a pipe to Europe and to drive penny gas from the Middle East to Europe thereby sending Gazprom far and for a long time
      The rest are just too lazy to beat the clave but. rhetorical - who is the most crap. screams, fusses. suddenly asks the world of this meeting that and the customer. so it was always. there is and I think I’ll guess you c.t.o. e.t.s.?
      Yes, these are still children's toys before the impending yet another depression in the USA. Its harbingers are already in person, including in this dangerous region
      The question is "to be or not to be". The world and .. civilization on earth
    5. Bakht
      Bakht 20 September 2018 10: 07
      0
      We are not bombing the Russians and therefore why not shoot us down.

      Not being a military man, I have a practical question. It is practical. The Russian Aerospace Forces has been flying in Syria for almost three years. Not a single Syrian missile shot down a single Russian plane. So the "friend or foe" system is debugged. And suddenly with the IL-20, she malfunctioned. Is it possible?
      Under no circumstances could a Syrian missile bring down a Russian plane. My opinion (non-military person). Russian aircraft shot down by Israeli fighters. A direct analogy with Liberty. If Israel without batting an eye could attack an American RECOGNITION ship and kill a couple of dozen American soldiers, then knocking down a Russian INTELLIGENCE plane is not a problem for Israel.
      Since it was an EW plane, my version is as simple as a condom. IL-20 prevented the fighter from bombing in Syria and the Jews shot him down.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 20 September 2018 10: 35
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        Jews knocked him down.

        I completely agree ! And with the filing of USA!
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      2. Lena363
        Lena363 20 September 2018 16: 46
        +4
        Read the commentary by Konashenkov, who said that this is your amateurish fantasy, because the Syrians did not have a system of identification "friend or foe"!
        "The Ministry of Defense denied the version of the crash of the Il-20 as a result of the failure of the" friend or foe "system; the military department said that this theory is an" amateurish fantasy. "The official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov told RIA Novosti that the system is" stranger "is strictly individual for each state and is never installed on samples of weapons exported from Russia." The system of state identification "friend or foe" used in the Russian Federation unites aircraft and air defense systems of only Russian origin, "Konashenkov explained.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 21 September 2018 05: 53
          0
          In this case, the system "friend or foe" has nothing to do with it! If "someone" in vain "shakes" this system, then in this case it may "mean" the possibility of forcible elimination of the missile during the flight ...
    6. Dashout
      Dashout 20 September 2018 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Answer this question and everything will fall into place.


      the answer is simple ... - we hope that you have flown away in Syria!
    7. Laurus
      Laurus 20 September 2018 13: 47
      +2
      And what did they instruct the professor of cons? It is not pleasant to read all this, but he is right in everything.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 September 2018 05: 59
        +2
        Quote: Laurel
        +2
        And what did they instruct the professor of cons? It is not pleasant to read all this, but he is right in everything.

        This "prohvesor" is biased towards Russia; and, therefore, he is capable of expressing biased opinions ... In vain you are "hanging your ears" in front of his comments.
    8. BAI
      BAI 20 September 2018 14: 29
      +2
      It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things.

      Well, Russia can also sell a lot of things to Iran and Syria, for example, not only air defense systems, but also strike missile systems. Yes, they fight badly, but at least one rocket will still fly.
      1. Professor
        Professor 20 September 2018 14: 43
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things.

        Well, Russia can also sell a lot of things to Iran and Syria, for example, not only air defense systems, but also strike missile systems. Yes, they fight badly, but at least one rocket will still fly.

        You have already given all this to them. The Fylystynsky terrorists fire at your school buses with your Cornets. Our Spikes were not seen by your enemies due to the lack of supplies to your enemies.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 21 September 2018 06: 21
          +3
          From time to time, there are reports of the discovery of ISIS caches with Israeli (!) Weapons in the liberated territory of Syria. "Your Cornets" - filter "bazaar"! Russia did not supply your "fylists" with ATGM "Kornet"! "Cornets" could fall into the wrong hands: 1. when the rebels seized military warehouses of the Syrian army; 2. from Iraq ...; 3. In Iran and North Korea, the production of "clones" of "Cornet" has been established ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 20 September 2018 22: 35
        -2
        Quote: BAI
        Well, Russia can also sell a lot of things to Iran and Syria, for example, not only air defense systems, but also strike missile systems.

        And it will turn out this:
    9. Mara_say
      Mara_say 20 September 2018 15: 31
      +3
      You are absolutely right! Of course, from his own Jewish point of view. The author has explained our point of view in sufficient detail, although there are still more questions than we would like.
      Unfortunately, the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation shares exactly your position, because otherwise the valiant falcons Hel Haavir would fly around Syria via Gibraltar.
      I really hope to see this!
    10. Declarant
      Declarant 20 September 2018 15: 55
      +2
      Excuse me. Do not comment? This is about Israeli weapons, which supposedly are not and were not in Syria.
      1. Professor
        Professor 21 September 2018 12: 24
        -2
        Quote: Declarant
        Excuse me. Do not comment? This is about Israeli weapons, which supposedly are not and were not in Syria.

        Allegedly? Let the material evidence in the studio and I will comment on them. Rumors are not going to comment.
    11. Phoenix_L'vov
      Phoenix_L'vov 20 September 2018 19: 11
      +3
      "You climbed into the pigsty" - Russia did not intermeddle in Israel.

      "We are not bombing Russians" - you put a Russian plane under a Syrian missile, knowing full well the peculiarities of the S-200 complex, that the missile is being re-aimed at a more reflective target, and that the illumination radar was operating in a mode that did not make it possible to determine the exact distance to the target. You cynically killed them with your actions, and you killed them during an attack on an ally of Russia.
      Russia does not attack any of Israel’s allies except terrorists (although it would be more accurate to say that they are not your allies but your instruments, puppets).

      "In advance" - yeah, one minute before the attack, the mockery was checked out.

      “We respect you” - what is your “respect” worth, we saw when, by your absence of warning within a reasonable time frame, during which you can have time to react, you, by the hands of the Syrians, but YOU were the one who caused the death of 14 Russian military men.

      “It is not for nothing that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria, the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different ones.” - we will certainly shoot down, and not several, but much more. You are already supplying weapons and ammunition to the opposition, and if you start to do this in a much larger volume, unknown terrorists will definitely steal from one of the poorly guarded Russian Iskander bases several trucks with the latest Russian ATGMs that overcome the KAZs of your irons with caterpillars, well and other unpleasant surprises for you, which, believe me, we have MUCH MORE.

      "Who in Syria calls the tune" is absolutely not your Jewish business. Do not meddle in another country, and do not make yourself trouble, when necessary, you will be called.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 September 2018 22: 39
        0
        In your opinion, the Jews shot down a Russian plane with a Russian (or rather, still Soviet) rocket launched by the Arabs 40 minutes after the Jews fired ???
        And not under the zhitoblakitny ensign to portray the Russian patriot.
    12. nerd.su
      nerd.su 20 September 2018 22: 15
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things.

      Air defense? Also tell MANPADs you will transfer to barmaley ...
    13. Romka47
      Romka47 21 September 2018 14: 01
      +3
      Hello hi I agree with 1,2,3,4, 6, 5, XNUMX and XNUMX, everything is correct, but at the expense of XNUMX not quite, ammunition and medicines were you noticed there, weapons? Well, with how many trophies you have from the Arabs (our own production), you can send wagons, and you just don’t understand whose it is, but I don’t blame you here and I don’t want to, all the same I think Jews are smart people who are all sorts of thugs under sideways trunks will not give. "Besides aviation, we can reach any point in Syria by other means." This is hooked, you forgive me, threaten? Let you remember that we are not Egypt with Syria, and we will reach your every point even from the Motherland, and forgive all of your territory together with the dome and all everyone else (again, if our impotent people don’t shake off) and in general we know how to fight , "Harnessing for a long time, but jumping fast." Do not take my rhetoric as hostile, I just sincerely cling to any threats and a hint of a threat addressed to us, whether it is the Motherland itself or our guys are in the middle of nowhere. If I misunderstood you, sorry. I have the honor.
      1. Yjt
        Yjt 21 September 2018 15: 16
        -3
        A little modesty would not hurt you. You demonstrated that you know how, we noticed it.
    14. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 21 September 2018 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      Of course, technically you can shoot down a couple of our planes, only harm from this can be more than good. Mihana will applaud, but we will also have something to answer.

      It seems to me that you, dear, are overestimating your capabilities and underestimating ours. Well, all you know, the capabilities of our states are, to put it mildly, incommensurable.
      Unfortunately, the impotence of our leadership is visible even with the naked eye, and this applies not only to Israel. Although I agree with Roman to warn of an attack in 60 seconds, this is more a mockery and a delicious grub in the face. But we didn’t wipe ourselves and smile further.
      I don’t know when the understanding will come that the games of international law and the observance of agreements are the destiny of the weak. And a true gentleman, as the English used to say, if he cannot win by the rules, then he changes the rules.
    15. malyvalv
      malyvalv 21 September 2018 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      There will be no Persians in Syria - there will be no our attacks.

      There will be attacks - there will be more Persians in Syria. And already with high-quality air defense. What's next?
      Quote: Professor
      Moreover, we always warn in advance.

      Well, yes, a minute before the bombs went off. Actually, what is most alarming is that when they bombed somewhere in the past, they were normally warned in advance, but as in the immediate vicinity of Khmeimim, so why did they "forget". This is called a provocation as it is.
      Quote: Professor
      There is a lack of coordination between the Syrian air defense system and yours.

      This is not Israel's concern. Israel's concern was to warn as agreed.
      Quote: Professor
      Bibi flies to Vova often

      It would be better not to fly. Now our officers would be alive.
      Quote: Professor
      but we will also have something to answer

      Decided to fight with the Russian Federation? Oh well. Even without nuclear weapons, it’s enough to give weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas and say Fas. And your opposition to Assad is a complete rot pro-Western. They are like warriors to Hezbollah or ISIS as to the moon.
      Quote: Professor
      Who in Syria orders music

      Assad.
    16. Dull
      Dull 26 September 2018 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      3 question. Allied.
      There is a lack of coordination between the Syrian air defense system and yours. Now they can fix the situation.

      I agree completely. The reason is obvious: the leadership is carried out by the "parquet", going there to receive awards and promotion. There are a lot of lyapov, which confirms my words. It was possible to install Syrian friend or foe systems on our aircraft without any problems.
      Quote: Professor
      1 question. Geopolitical.
      You climbed into a pigsty where you can’t get dirty. Regarding the Islamic State of Iran, your bosses have publicly stated that they are not able to squeeze Persians out of Syria. There will be no Persians in Syria - there will be no our attacks.

      Are you so naive? :))) Our St. Petersburg shops will not allow anyone to prevent them from receiving dividends after the end of hostilities. This lads will sell his own mother for profit.
      Quote: Professor
      5 question. Last, potential.
      Of course, technically you can shoot down a couple of our planes, only harm from this can be more than good. Mihana will applaud, but we will also have something to answer. It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things. And besides aviation, we can get to any point in Syria by other means.

      First, the Russian Federation can reach anywhere in the world with its missiles. You should not even compare the potential of Israel and the Russian Federation. Secondly, after the destruction of Israeli aircraft, it is unlikely that anything will change significantly. Sanctions?:)))
  9. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 20 September 2018 09: 42
    +3
    Interesting, right? Three sides in the picture drawn in the first paragraph of the quadrilateral saw Russia where? That's right, as a donor. Calmly spending for the sake of some goals their resources and people. Nothing will endure.
    The number of losses of our videoconferencing does not compare, with any of the parties to this conflict, except for the SAA itself. What causes doubt in the level of organization of the operation itself.
    1. Faceless
      Faceless 20 September 2018 10: 01
      +5
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      The number of losses of our videoconferencing does not compare, with any of the parties to this conflict, except for the SAA itself. What causes doubt in the level of organization of the operation itself.


      You would have considered the number of sorties and destroyed targets that also cannot be compared with any of the parties to this conflict, otherwise your doubts about the level of organization of the operation itself raise very big questions to your knowledge of the situation and knowledge of the issue.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 20 September 2018 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: Faceless
        You would have considered the number of sorties and destroyed targets that also cannot be compared with any of the parties to this conflict, otherwise your doubts about the level of organization of the operation itself raise very big questions to your knowledge of the situation and knowledge of the issue.
        Well, give the number of departures, at least. The number of goals is optional, because abstract numbers. My knowledge of the issue is based on facts and logical thinking.
        1. Faceless
          Faceless 20 September 2018 10: 59
          +7
          At the request of workers. All information is taken from the official website of the Ministry of Defense http://mil.ru/

          Data at the end of August 2018

          During the operation in Syria, the Russian Air Force completed a total of 39 thousand sorties, including more than 20 thousand at night. During the active phases of the operation, the intensity of the use of military aircraft reached more than 100 sorties per day. Each plane made 3-4 departures daily. The maximum number of sorties per day - 139 - was completed on November 20, 2015.

          The Russian Navy completed 189 military campaigns, in which 86 ships, 14 submarines and 83 vessels took part.

          TAVKR pilots completed 420 sorties, including 117 at night, and 1252 terrorist targets were destroyed.

          Russian UAVs flew more than 25 thousand sorties, they opened 47522 enemy targets. Up to 70 UAVs "Forpost" and "Orlan-10" were flying in Syria every day.

          The terrorists' targets were hit by 100 strikes with sea-based Kalibr cruise missiles and 66 strikes with air-launched cruise missiles.

          Tu-22M3 bombers completed 369 sorties, 47 group strikes, 215 objects destroyed.

          As a result of air strikes and cruise missiles, 121466 terrorist targets were destroyed, including 970 field camps, 20513 strong points, 9941 ammunition and fuel and lubricants depot, 649 tanks, 731 infantry fighting vehicles, 8927 anti-aircraft vehicles. 830 leaders of the gangs, more than 86 thousand militants, including more than 4500 immigrants from Russia and the CIS countries, were eliminated.

          In order to ensure the activities of the force grouping in Syria, 424 flights were carried out by sea and 2785 flights by air. In the course of which 3250 people were transported by sea, 4501 weapons and military equipment, 1559000 tons of cargo, 91285 people were transported by air, more than 1000 weapons and military equipment, 55846 tons of cargo. Every day, an average of 2000 tons of various cargoes were delivered from Russia to Syria by air and sea.

          Using parachute platforms, 6077 tons of food were delivered.

          The restoration of 4710 weapons and military equipment of the Syrian government forces was organized, more than 1100 tons of armored equipment were transferred.

          Now about the sad, about the losses.

          During the operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria, which began on September 30, 2015, the Russian Armed Forces (AF) lost 14 aircraft on the territory of this country in various circumstances (taking into account the incident on September 17, 2018). For comparison, in the first Chechen campaign (1994-1996), about 40 aircraft and helicopters of the Russian Air Force, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Border Guard Service, etc. were lost, in the second (1999-2007) - about 70, in the operation to force Georgia to peace (2008 year) - eight. Of the 14 aircraft lost in Syria, two transport and four attack helicopters, two Su-24M bombers, a Su-25 attack aircraft and An-26 transport aircraft, two carrier-based fighters from the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier (MiG-29K and Su-33) , one Su-30SM fighter (presumably related to the naval aviation of the Navy) and one Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft.
          1. BAI
            BAI 20 September 2018 14: 25
            0
            During the operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria, which began on September 30, 2015, the Armed Forces of Russia lost 14 aircraft in the territory of this country in various circumstances (taking into account the incident of September 17, 2018).

            And the Tu-154 does not count with the Alexandrov ensemble?
            1. Faceless
              Faceless 21 September 2018 10: 16
              0
              Did he die in Syria during a combat mission?
          2. Larum
            Larum 20 September 2018 14: 37
            +3
            "121466 terrorist facilities were destroyed" .... "830 gang leaders, more than 86 thousand militants were liquidated," ... "39 thousand sorties"
            0,7 action movies per object? and 2 fighters for a departure approximately?
            1. Faceless
              Faceless 21 September 2018 10: 26
              0
              Dear Larum (Larum).

              How wonderful it is for you to twist the numbers, not even embarrassed that they can be verified by reading the previous post.

              Once again, for the especially dull:

              "As a result of air strikes and cruise missiles, 121466 terrorist facilities were destroyed, including 970 field camps, 20513 strong points, 9941 ammunition and fuel depots, 649 tanks, 731 infantry fighting vehicles, 8927 vehicles with anti-aircraft installations. 830 gang leaders, more than 86 thousand militants, including more than 4500 immigrants from Russia and the CIS countries, were liquidated. "

              I translate, in addition to eliminating manpower, there was a lot more. "Including" does not mean an exhaustive kaleidoscope of all affected objects. "Including" is an emphasis on the most interesting.

              "Know how to count" - Nelson loved to repeat. I will add it by saying: "Learn to read also."
              1. Larum
                Larum 23 September 2018 15: 18
                0
                How smart you are!

                Nobody argues about any efficiency.
                And we, usa, and France, and Israel bravely report on the destruction of the enemy.
                Just at 0.7 action movie per object - objects look especially useless sheds to no one.
                (yus has the same thing). plus another rule of the fisherman ....

                How real are these numbers? here is the question

                And I just don't see the point at all to rewrite the data from the post. And "misinterpret" - let it remain on your conscience
        2. Faceless
          Faceless 20 September 2018 11: 01
          +5
          I summarize. 121466 objects destroyed, 14 aircraft lost. What does the smaller part of them - as a result of fire.

          So consider the effectiveness.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 20 September 2018 12: 41
            +1
            And where is the data about the allied aviation sorties ?! What to compare with? And about 121466 objects - so what kind of objects are there? where did the bomb hit that and the object
            1. Faceless
              Faceless 21 September 2018 10: 21
              0
              Dear Stirbjorn (Michael),
              I’m not a free reference encyclopedia for you.

              If you do not know the meaning of the word "object", then it is not for me to liquidate your illiteracy.
              Write an appeal to the Ministry of Defense - there they will explain to you.

              Take the trouble to press 3 buttons on the Internet yourself, find open statistics and get an answer to your question.
              There will be a mood - supplement the comment with independently found statistics with links to the source.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 21 September 2018 11: 06
                0
                Quote: Faceless
                0
                Dear Stirbjorn (Michael),
                I’m not a free reference encyclopedia for you.

                If you do not know the meaning of the word "object", then it is not for me to liquidate your illiteracy.
                Write an appeal to the Ministry of Defense - there they will explain to you.

                Dear Faceless, I draw your attention to the fact that you entered into a discussion with me, and not vice versa. Since you can’t confirm your objections with facts, I don’t see any reason for you to answer, or even more so, to confirm, by searching on the Internet, your objections to me fellow My fact is that the losses of our VKS are much higher than the losses of other parties to the conflict, except for the SAA. You claim that these are the consequences of more active work regarding the US Air Force, Turkey and Israel - I ask you to justify in figures, only all parties, and not specifically our air forces. If you can’t, it means your objection, only your opinion personally, which is not supported by anything
                1. Faceless
                  Faceless 24 September 2018 11: 28
                  0
                  Dear Stirbjorn (Michael).

                  In my submission, the comments should complement the article to which they are attached. And the purpose of my comment was not a discussion with you, but the correction of incorrect information with controversially put accents. Who is the author of this controversial information - a military general or an undergraduate schoolboy - I do not care. It is important for me that the information contains information.

                  If I would like to personally give you statistics - I would send it by letter. However, I believe that these figures are interesting to other readers.

                  You, instead of playing the role of either an examiner asking questions, any complete ignoramus, building your own opinion on an arbitrarily chosen piece of information, would bother not only to paint your own opinion and ambitions, but also something sensible on the merits of the issue, like this I did.

                  I repeat once again, an open emotional discussion with you is not interesting either to me or to other readers. If you still want to debunk the created image of a person who blurt out that he doesn’t understand the issue and make any useful contribution, informationally supplementing the article, supplement my post with coalition statistics. I repeat - the data is open. I believe they will also be interesting to forum users.

                  If you don't want to, it's your right. I do not care. But something tells me that we won't get any specifics from you here: because it's one thing to be indignant, ask questions, shouting "I don't believe" in Stanislavsky, another thing is to conduct at least some kind of analytics and write something useful ... I think that further discussion with you is a senseless and inappropriate waste of time.
          2. Larum
            Larum 21 September 2018 09: 53
            +2
            Nobody argues about any efficiency. And we, usa, and France, and Israel bravely report on the destruction of the enemy. It’s just that at 0.7 thriller per object, the objects go out to especially useless sheds. (yus has the same thing). plus another rule of the fisherman ....
            How real are these numbers? here is the question
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 September 2018 09: 51
    +2
    A question from the administration, and jokes about the firebox of a localhost are now considered legal, or do they still fall under the "calls"?
  11. kaschey
    kaschey 20 September 2018 10: 00
    -2
    "I'll start right away with a question. About potency. When will we have it? If the country is not respected, but you want respect, you have to do something. So far, I see how we are not respected, everything is still more sad."
    Potential left, everyone moved to Israel ..... hi
  12. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 20 September 2018 10: 01
    +4
    I believe that all the questions in the article are posed correctly, although with an overlap. I am sure that the Syrian military possessed not only AK and RPG, but also other weapons, otherwise they would have been won long ago. And so everything is correct. But I have another question. Our guarantor stated that a chain of tragic accidents led to the catastrophe of IL 20. And that Israeli planes appeared near our bases and began to launch missiles by accident? Or so - went for a walk. So it turns out that in our multi-vector policy we call for a constructive dialogue, and our feet are being wiped about us instead of a constructive dialogue. It is one thing for the sneak retinue to inspect samples that will only be mass-produced in ten years. and another thing is to nail the presumptuous aggressor to the pillory with all that it implies. Is it anyway?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 20 September 2018 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      and another thing is to nail the presumptuous aggressor to the pillory with all that it implies.

      Before such a masterpiece, even the Soviet GlavPUR + Agitprop would not have thought of nailing it like that.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 20 September 2018 12: 24
        +1
        It is a nail! In the days of the Soviet Union, they were nagging, and the presumptuous aircraft were shot down. including Israeli. GlavPUR sounds ridiculous, but they were afraid of us, and those who fear are respected, And since they respected us, they allowed detente, and the Helsinki processes initiated. Therefore - the word nailing is an add-on, but the basis is rather weak, therefore, it really cannot force anyone to respect the Russian Federation.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2018 12: 27
          +2
          I don’t jerk, I really liked how it is said.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2018 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          And once respected, then they allowed detente, and the Helsinki processes initiated.

          But, after all, the result of these very Helsinki processes that you mentioned was the liberalization of life in the USSR, then perestroika processes were launched that could not arise from scratch, that is, a liberal base was needed, which was launched by the Helsinki agreements. Well, and then followed by a defeat in the Cold War, and the collapse of our state.
  13. demo
    demo 20 September 2018 10: 01
    +2
    Directly on the article and we will respond to the author.
    What, forgive the devil, are the Iranian military doing at such a nice distance from our base?
    Or, excuse me, what was the Jewish Jews bombing there?

    This version sounded.
    A consignment of weapons and armaments for Iranian units arrived from Iran at a port in Syria.
    It was urgent, until they massaged her bomb.
    Therefore, the Israelis warned ours for 1 a minute.
    So that our did not have time to warn the Syrians.
    And our board landed at the same time.
    This is one of the versions.
  14. Damask
    Damask 20 September 2018 10: 09
    +12
    Damn 15 trained soldiers died and silence, mourning in the country must be declared, condolences on all channels, and around there is peace and quiet
  15. demo
    demo 20 September 2018 10: 09
    0
    Why then did all this equipment be dragged to Syria, shaking it to the whole world? Why did they make a bunch and one statement on the topic of the fact that “we will not allow, we will protect”?
    It seemed to be dragged to protect the base where we are located.
    Was there an attack on the base?
    In addition to drones and mortar fire - no.
    Israeli aircraft were located in 35 km from the coast of Syria.
    We couldn't start to blame the "ally"?
    Turn on radars and radars - light up everything for Americans (their RER planes hang in the air).
    What to do?
    If you start to bring down all flying planes, then this is definitely a war.
    Did an Israeli rocket hit our plane? In our base hit? In fact, the Israelis abide by the agreement.
    But why there is no differentiation of flight zones - this is a question.
  16. Altona
    Altona 20 September 2018 10: 11
    +10
    One thing surprises me. Why didn’t they declare mourning? Or do not we have 14 officers dead? hi
  17. solovald
    solovald 20 September 2018 10: 11
    +4
    Russian Foreign Ministry? No, I haven't seen / heard for a long time. He disappeared somewhere, only Mr. "deb ... bl ..." from time to time on TV flickers with vague speeches. Israel, judging by the latest reports, seems to be out of business: the f16s and flew low and did not intersect in time with il20. Then there are the Syrian air-defense personnel ... accidentally or "accidentally" who shot down our plane in order to drag us into a mess with Israel.
  18. Altona
    Altona 20 September 2018 10: 16
    +18
    I didn’t want to post it, but I was forced to, I attach it. I hold the third day.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 September 2018 11: 02
      +13
      Quote: Altona
      +1
      I didn’t want to post it, but I was forced to, I attach it. I hold the third day.

      yes .. today our leadership, it’s not like that before you .. Evgeny hi
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 September 2018 14: 24
        +5
        Then there were real communists, and now there are some shifters.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 20 September 2018 14: 12
      +4
      I completely agree! Cowards are not respected and beaten, especially bragging cowards.
    3. nerd.su
      nerd.su 20 September 2018 22: 24
      0
      Actually, that's why the Israelis came to explain to us and do not want a repeat of that story.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 20 September 2018 22: 46
      0
      Soviet officers were sitting at the consoles and the Arabs were not allowed to enter. If anyone sensible was when the Syrians were about to shoot, he would not have allowed this launch, because the Jews had long since left the screen, and the illumination was clearly bigger than the F-16 or the rocket, and it moved slower. But Arabs, they are such Arabs.
  19. bober1982
    bober1982 20 September 2018 10: 35
    -1
    Yes, the diplomacy we have ..... Depopulated. There is nothing to limp., end of author’s quote.
    Yes, the analytics of local couch strategists of that ....... Has become depleted.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 September 2018 14: 13
      -1
      A throne strategist prescribing pills to us?
  20. cyborg
    cyborg 20 September 2018 10: 37
    +5
    Yes, politicians are to blame. It was necessary to close the sky for a long time within a radius of 200 km from our bases. But someone decided that the Jews are our friends, and they just put up with us there. So they took advantage of the gullibility of the Russians, vilely attacking the Syrian targets from the side of the Mediterranean Sea on the Syrian territory. Well, how was it not to seize the opportunity to get rid of our scout, and at the same time shift the blame to the Syrian side. Well done Jews. And you cannot prove that it was a deliberate provocation.
    However, there is no evidence so far that the Syrians shot down the plane ..
    And further. Why does the IL-20 not have on board a system like Lever, Vitebsk, Presient-S and other crap that allows you to take missiles to the side ???
  21. Clueless
    Clueless 20 September 2018 11: 19
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    5 question. Last, potential.
    Of course, technically you can shoot down a couple of our planes, only harm from this can be more than good. Mihana will applaud, but we will also have something to answer. It is not in vain that during the 7 years of the civil war in Syria the opposition did not notice our weapons, but we have different weapons. And air defense and anti-tank systems and all sorts of things. And besides aviation, we can get to any point in Syria by other means.


    With the same success, we can distribute such weapons to your enemies :) Babakh, and the Palestinians got from somewhere modern grenade launchers for example, etc.
    1. Romka47
      Romka47 21 September 2018 16: 58
      0
      For example RPG "HOOK" which does not care about KAZ, and it is that Merkava that T72 that Abrams.
  22. kakvastam
    kakvastam 20 September 2018 11: 22
    +9
    Mr. Putin has few ways to save face in this situation:
    1. In order to prevent the death of military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria, declare a ban on foreign flights in the airspace of the ATS with the subsequent downing of all violators;
    2. In order to prevent the death of military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria, announce the cessation of military operations in the SAR due to the inability to confront a superior enemy;
    3. To resign due to a mismatch of the position.
    Since Mr. Putin cannot use any of these methods in principle, from now on he has every right to be called a person without a face.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 September 2018 14: 07
      +1
      There is nothing to save there. Tragicomedy with a chain of tragic accidents from the end of 80's.
    2. ROBIN-SON
      ROBIN-SON 21 September 2018 12: 28
      0
      Do not wait! According to the latest measurements, Mr V.V. Putin has more than 40% support. At the city of D. Medvedev dropped to 6%. So this is because he is a shield of GDP. And besides, potential president R.F.
  23. Forestol
    Forestol 20 September 2018 12: 40
    +4
    The answer lies in Suvorov's statement: “Every soldier must know his maneuver.” No need to pour dirt on the Syrian air defense calculation, while there is little information. For a minute, only trained and trained can work with such equipment. ACM knowledge is available to the African humanoid monkey, as in Congo, but air defense systems are available only to trained people. Now I will say my weighty word to the SPECIALIST of the Air Defense Forces. In the USSR, a CENTRALIZED air defense system was built. Each cadet of our many schools for Yemen, Syria, Libya and many others was informed from the very beginning that the Air Defense System can work only under unified management. The U.S. air raid on Tripoli in the last century is a classic example of neglecting this rule. Syria a priori cannot independently manage its air defense in isolation from the Russian in this territory. I come to the sad conclusion that Shoigu, the PR master, is, in fact, a seam in Syria. Obviously, the blame was blamed on the supposedly stupid calculation of the Syrians. Our control zone C400 is just 400km passport. minimum. I will not assume, but I boldly blame the commander of our air defense division and the duty crew. Let me remind you of the direct law that every commander is obliged to provide constant intelligence. For air defense, this is a vital necessity. Therefore, I see the following answer options.
    1. Il20 aircraft shot down from the C400 launcher according to false data from the Syrian PN. The provocations involved Iranians and Assad, who are tired of our prostitute relations.
    2. The plane was shot down by the Syrians on their own. This means that there is no air defense system in principle. I don’t believe in that ..
    3. The plane was shot down by joint agreement of several parties interested in the defeat of Russia and Putin personally. This is to let the SVR counterintelligence find out if noble Russophobes are sitting there.
    4. And the most real, from my point of view. A brilliant operation of the forces of the Coalition and Israel was carried out, an analogue of the Russian “Krasukha” was used, the signal was replaced at the air defense observation stations, and the Syrians simply saw false targets. In no case has our right to confirm such our MO, the descendant that the consequences will be terrible for Russia.
    Therefore, condolences to the relatives of the victims, a third toast will be for them, but, unfortunately, the losses are not the last.
    And it's time to end the bravura PR of the Moscow Region and the Minister in particular. Judging by the results, he is no better than Serdyukov.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 September 2018 14: 06
      -1
      4. And the most real, from my point of view. A brilliant operation of the forces of the Coalition and Israel was carried out, an analogue of the Russian “Krasukha” was used, the signal was replaced at the air defense observation stations, and the Syrians simply saw false targets. In no case has our right to confirm such our MO, the descendant that the consequences will be terrible for Russia.

      I relate to air defense only as a person whom (theoretically, but I would like to be practically) should protect. And for a long time questions about the effectiveness of our air defense and missile defense have not left me a simple techie. I live in St. Petersburg, it is especially important for us, we are practically on the gun (however, like almost the whole country). And I want to be sure that our equipment is reliable protection, and not the subject of drinking through thieves' power.
      And another question arose after the BEATING (namely, the BEATING, and not of various synonyms, more pleasant MO and the authorities in general) - but how do our guys feel and think in Syria with such a development of events in Syria and around it?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2018 14: 37
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        And for a long time questions about the effectiveness of our air defense and missile defense have not left me a simple techie

        Such questions do not leave for a long time only on the effectiveness of air defense? But, about the effectiveness of protecting our borders, how?
        There is an opinion of authoritative people that you don’t need to bother with your head with unnecessary information, all kinds of questions that haunt you, all the more so for a long time. So, there will be peace of mind.
    2. Bakht
      Bakht 20 September 2018 16: 28
      0
      The question is the same. I was just waiting for air defense specialists. You wrote
      "The Il20 plane was shot down from the S400 launcher according to false data from the Syrian PN."
      And right there
      "The plane was shot down by the Syrians on their own."
      The Syrians were not supplied with С400. The official version was shot down by the C200. The question is the same: can a Syrian missile shoot down a Russian plane if they are all equipped with "friend or foe" responders?
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 20 September 2018 17: 07
        -1
        Russia has not yet supplied modern Syria air defense systems. C200 is an old Soviet long-range interception system. Its interceptor missile has one of the minuses; after launch, the missile can independently redirect to another target with greater reflectivity. But the SAZO system (automatic request for someone else’s) does not have an export option at all.
      2. Forestol
        Forestol 20 September 2018 17: 09
        -1
        Mon, these are observation points of rtv. It is just a detection station, on various complexes. They send data to the system.
  24. Henderson
    Henderson 20 September 2018 12: 56
    +2
    And how is it that Israel wants what it does, then it gets up at the closest approaches to our air base? How, and who, sorry, agreed on this?

    I also have an open secret.
    "I can say that we are pleased with the meeting. We are always pleased with the conversations with the Russian leadership, with Mr. Putin. Everything is going on in a very good atmosphere," said Koren on the sidelines of the second student conference of the ISAA Department of Judaism at Moscow State University. MV Lomonosov on the 70th anniversary of the formation of the State of Israel.

    RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/politics/20180510/1520303636.html
  25. sah4199
    sah4199 20 September 2018 13: 26
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    We are not bombing the Russians and therefore why not shoot us down.

    Not being a military man, I have a practical question. It is practical. The Russian Aerospace Forces has been flying in Syria for almost three years. Not a single Syrian missile shot down a single Russian plane. So the "friend or foe" system is debugged. And suddenly with the IL-20, she malfunctioned. Is it possible?
    Under no circumstances could a Syrian missile bring down a Russian plane. My opinion (non-military person). Russian aircraft shot down by Israeli fighters. A direct analogy with Liberty. If Israel without batting an eye could attack an American RECOGNITION ship and kill a couple of dozen American soldiers, then knocking down a Russian INTELLIGENCE plane is not a problem for Israel.
    Since it was an EW plane, my version is as simple as a condom. IL-20 prevented the fighter from bombing in Syria and the Jews shot him down.


    1. Israel is not profitable to shoot down the IL-20, because instead, an existing exhibit from the Museum of Aviation will send something newer.

    2. The first reports of the incident said that the attack was at 22.00, and the plane was shot down at 23.00, when Israeli aircraft were at their base.

    3. In addition, if Israel was guilty, the Russian Federation would not be afraid to punish Israeli vegetable growers through an embargo on the import of Israeli vegetables and fruits. So it was with the Turkish vegetable growers - the main culprits for the fact that Turkey brought down the Ross. plane.

    4. Syrian air defense officers also had nothing to do with it, otherwise Assad would have scattered in apologies and promises to punish the guilty IMMEDIATELY, and not in two days.

    5. So most likely, half an hour after the raid, the Russian air defense woke up and began to look for where to shoot. Details are known, for example, to an Israeli official from the Moscow Region who came to Moscow, so the topic of Israeli guilt somehow waned. Did it really work S-400?

    Quote: kiborg
    Yes, politicians are to blame. It was necessary to close the sky for a long time within a radius of 200 km from our bases .....
    And further. Why does the IL-20 not have on board a system like Lever, Vitebsk, Presient-S and other crap that allows you to take missiles to the side ???


    Only Israel can open / close the sky in Syria.
    He behaves there like an aunt with a broom in the kitchen and the opinion of cockroaches is not interesting to him.
    1. BAI
      BAI 20 September 2018 14: 16
      +2
      after the raid, Russian air defense woke up and began to look for where to shoot. Details are known, for example, to an Israeli official from the Moscow Region who came to Moscow, so the topic of Israeli guilt somehow waned. Did it really work S-400?

      On the Russian air defense systems there is definitely a "friend or foe" system that will not let you shoot in your own way. If there was no one in the sky except our own, there could be no shot in principle. From the word "absolutely". The shot could be fired only if there was a target in the sky. defined as "alien". But then, if a shot is fired, "everything is at the discretion of the homing system, which does not distinguish between friends and foes, but only who" shines brighter ", and after the target is captured, the target cannot be changed.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 20 September 2018 16: 32
        0
        This means that the missile was initially launched at an "alien" target. And then she captured a larger target? Is it likely?
        If Israeli fighters disguised themselves as an IL-20, then the C200 could not launch a rocket at all. This is a little incomprehensible to me
      2. Lena363
        Lena363 20 September 2018 16: 50
        0
        On the Syrian air defense, which were exported, the installation of the "friend or foe" system is not provided due to its strict secrecy.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 20 September 2018 17: 22
          0
          Already read the message Konashenkova. So thousands of flights of Russian aircraft are carried out only by the good will of the Syrian air defense.
          Why, then, would the Israelis hide behind a Russian plane? For the Syrian air defense, all targets in the sky are "alien"
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 20 September 2018 22: 53
        0
        And how do you think kakly Tushka was shot down instead of a training target in 2001? Yes, exactly the same. The semi-active homing head is aimed at that target, from which there is more exposure.
    2. asv363
      asv363 20 September 2018 16: 37
      0
      Quote: sah4199
      5. So most likely, half an hour after the raid, the Russian air defense woke up and began to look for where to shoot. Details are known, for example, to an Israeli official from the Moscow Region who came to Moscow, so the topic of Israeli guilt somehow waned. Did it really work S-400?

      Do not smack nonsense - it hurts.
  26. Lena363
    Lena363 20 September 2018 13: 41
    0
    If the Syrians do not have a "friend or foe" identification system, as Konashenkov says, it is even strange how Russian planes still fly there. In theory, the Syrians should have shot down many more.
    1. BAI
      BAI 20 September 2018 14: 08
      0
      The lieutenant colonel, who commanded the air defense division in Syria, claims that the Syrian S-200 has this system.
      1. Lena363
        Lena363 20 September 2018 16: 51
        0
        And Konashenkov said that the Syrians did not have such a system, because it is exported. Who is more important and authoritative - the lieutenant colonel of air defense or the general of the General Staff?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2018 17: 44
          0
          Quote: Lena363
          or General of the General Staff?

          Who do you mean, under the General Staff? And then you can get completely confused.
  27. Curious
    Curious 20 September 2018 13: 46
    +2
    All the questions listed in the article have a place to be, if we proceed from the version that is slipped to the people about the events in Syria - the struggle of the "light elves" with some "barmaley". If we proceed from a more realistic version that all participants in the events in Syria solve their selfish interests and at the same time try to "eat a fish and not soak your ass," then there are immediately fewer questions.
  28. NordUral
    NordUral 20 September 2018 13: 54
    0
    I agree, everything is sad. And in Moscow, mirages and inventions are taken for the truth. And they drive us under the dirty baseboard of history, from where there is no turning back. One bragging and idle talk.
  29. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 20 September 2018 13: 58
    +8
    Novel! All your questions seem to sound nothing, if not for one circumstance! Here the forum has already made noise more than once, since it’s absentee, otherwise we would have smashed each other’s noses (!) About the Jewish representation in the Kremlin, the Duma, the Federation Council, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc.! Of all the points voiced by you and the forum users, only one conclusion suggests itself: Russia is in Syria with only one single goal - to ensure the security of Israel! Hence, such a strange interaction with him, and such impudent Israeli behavior! But not the protection of Syria from ISIS, etc.! Everything else is a diplomatic cover! Strange conclusion? And the facts speak for themselves! But the mattresses did not cope with this task at all, I had to drag Russia!
  30. BAI
    BAI 20 September 2018 14: 05
    +1
    Why then dragged all this equipment to Syria, shaking it all over the world?

    And what are the fighters doing there, if there are only friends and "partners" in the sky of Syria? Are ground objects destroyed? So for this there are more effective bombers and attack aircraft.
  31. naidas
    naidas 20 September 2018 14: 21
    +3
    hands of their stupid and worthless warriors, well, yes, but with us:
    “Kursk drowned, the plane was shot down. In this connection, of course, I offer my condolences to the relatives of the victims, all the best to you, good mood and health, ”
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  33. Larum
    Larum 20 September 2018 14: 32
    -1
    That is, is it true that F was bombed an hour before the shot down? How do some experts say?

    Is our evil Israel still to blame?
  34. Jerk
    Jerk 20 September 2018 15: 31
    +1
    Question six, after. And about the fact that the French frigate Auvergne was hanging out exactly at the same time, doesn’t anyone bother? But on his missiles, a friend-or-foe system just would not have come around. Well, such a hint
  35. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 September 2018 16: 17
    0
    Russia had to say Assad right away, dear friend, we and you, the third one, Iran is bringing in a scuffle that negates many positive aspects ... Iran can’t give anything good and didn’t give Syria .. maybe they’re holding it for something Assad ... calm down Iran in Syria, and Israel would behave differently it seems to me
  36. Lena363
    Lena363 20 September 2018 16: 41
    0
    "The Ministry of Defense denied the version of the crash of the Il-20 as a result of the failure of the" friend or foe "system; the military department said that this theory is an" amateurish fantasy. "The official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov told RIA Novosti that the system is" stranger "is strictly individual for each state and is never installed on samples of weapons exported from Russia." The system of state identification "friend or foe" used in the Russian Federation unites aircraft and air defense systems of only Russian origin, "Konashenkov explained.
    Guys, these generals are holding us for suckers! It turns out that the Syrians did not have such a system at all, and he accused us of being dilettantes! Then the question is - why do Russian planes fly there at all, incl. and TU-95? Is it really necessary that their "monkeys with a grenade" be shot down? Maybe they are amateurs who are leading the army?
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 20 September 2018 18: 04
    0
    But in general, the situation is very so-so. And the worst part is our side. Something needs to be changed.
  38. Cop
    Cop 20 September 2018 19: 06
    +2
    The author, why are you ... asking questions for children? I would venture to suggest that the Jews had warned our people in advance about the raid. And ours replied "go ahead, just don't touch us. And they raised the IL-20 in the air in advance. It's interesting to see how the Jews shoot. Well, they showed it. And what would be better seen, and flew closer. And, if the Boeing really was and there was something valuable in it, then as soon as the Syrians saw on the screens of their radars that the missiles were separated from the carriers, they immediately fired back. And the Jews immediately turned around and left behind the Il-20. Not just the same Bibi I don’t understand one thing ... we supply the Syrians with anti-aircraft missiles for Soviet anti-aircraft systems, why don’t we equip them with remote self-liquidators. After all, the duty shift at the Khmeimim command post saw all this and could not do anything .....
    1. Camrad
      Camrad 20 September 2018 20: 45
      +2
      So, but not quite. No one will leave a plane in the sky in the sector where the SAM is supposed to be fired, and even more so the S-200. Consequently, the raid was not warned in advance. After the warning came from Israel, or the Il-20 itself revealed the fact of the raid, all airborne units in the air were given the command "Carpet" and the scout began to land. The homing head of the S-200 rocket captures the target while still on the launcher, but she could not see the F-16 because of the low altitude of their flight, but the landing Il gave a half-screen illumination. Consequently, there is a criminal incompetence of the calculation of the Syrian missilemen who gave the command "Start" without making sure that their own and friendly military units left the affected area. It is impossible to confuse the IL with the F-16 on the indicator, especially if we have a flight plan for the current day. The flight time of the S-200 rocket from the indicated division to Ila is about 40 seconds, in such a short period of time it is difficult to figure out that the rocket has captured "its own" and it is difficult to give a command to self-destruct, or for technical reasons such a command did not pass. The duty shift from Khmeimim does not have the technical ability to give a command to self-destruct the Syrian S-200 missile, and it is unrealistic to receive information about the missile attack from their own RTS or the Il-40 crew in 20 seconds via communication channels and transmit the order to the anti-aircraft missile division through the Syrian command post ...
      1. Cop
        Cop 20 September 2018 21: 54
        +2
        Quote: Comrad
        No one will leave an airplane in the sky in the sector where it is supposed to fire air defense systems, and even more so the S-200.
        How so? When they were shooting with "axes", there were reports that an A-50U was in the air at that time. And from him incl. Syrian anti-aircraft batteries were aimed.
        Quote: Comrad
        The homing head of the S-200 missile captures the target even on the launcher, but she could not see the F-16 due to the low altitude of their flight, but the landing IL gave a half-screen illumination
        So she could capture the target even on the launcher. Only this goal was different, for example a rocket. And then the Jews eliminated it once. So she flew to look for another target.
        Quote: Comrad
        Consequently, there is a criminal incompetence of the calculation of the Syrian missilemen who gave the command "Start" without making sure that their own and friendly military units left the affected area
        .
        Strange conclusion. And if suddenly a "cloud" of "axes" flies to "Khmeimim", and our planes are in the air, then "shells", "tori", "Triumphs" will wait until all our military units leave the affected zones?
        Quote: Comrad
        It is impossible to confuse IL with F-16 on the indicator, especially since you have a flight plan for the current day.
        Of course, impossible.
        Quote: Comrad
        The flight time of the S-200 rocket from the indicated division to Ila is about 40 seconds, in such a short period of time it is difficult to figure out that the rocket has captured "its own" and it is difficult to give a command to self-destruct, or for technical reasons such a command did not pass.
        Those. you want to say that in 40 seconds. the computer installed in the S-400 target detector did not understand "who is who"? Oh well....
        Quote: Comrad
        An on-duty shift from Khmeimim does not have the technical ability to give a command to self-liquidate a Syrian S-200 missile, and to receive information on a missile attack from its RTS or IL-40 crews in 20 seconds and transmit an order to the anti-aircraft missile division through the Syrian KP .
        It’s bad that it doesn’t. Trending about our "miracle weapon" .... here it is in action.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 21 September 2018 16: 38
          0
          A miracle weapon does not make sense if you are poorly informed, something like that ...
          1. Cop
            Cop 21 September 2018 18: 30
            +1
            Are you well informed?
  39. Stoler
    Stoler 20 September 2018 20: 30
    0
    it seems to me alone that all the "EXPLANATIONS" about the events that shot down our plane and the death of our guys DO NOT FIT IN ANY FRAME GIVEN TO US ???
  40. bang
    bang 20 September 2018 22: 37
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    If so, is it not time to make others tolerate?
    It can be done. Only then the aircraft crews will die in a day. MO plan, like, to avoid 2nd Afghanistan. If everything was so simple.

    Curiously, Israel did not use its F-35s. Did you take into account a possible otvetku from anti-aircraft gunners of the Russian Federation?
  41. lopvlad
    lopvlad 21 September 2018 00: 09
    +2
    Questions on the wreckage


    Well, questions on the wreckage are asked when a civilian passenger airliner crashes due to a failure on-board equipment or pilot error.
    When a military plane lies in the wreckage struck by a rocket, then all the answers to the questions are already there from the beginning, it's just scary to voice these answers to both the authorities and the military.
    After her military plane shot down by a rocket lies in the wreckage, any sovereign state takes a retaliatory action, not a word of concern, but an action.
  42. Camrad
    Camrad 21 September 2018 00: 35
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    [quote] How so? When they were shooting with "axes", there were reports that an A-50U was in the air at that time. And from him incl. Syrian anti-aircraft batteries were aimed. [/ quote]
    It is possible, but outside the S-200 affected area.
    [quote] So she could capture the target even on the launcher. Only this goal was different, for example a rocket. And then the Jews eliminated it once. So she flew to look for another target. [/ Quote]
    It makes no sense to shoot whatever (relatively small) while the shooting sector was Il, the result would be exactly the same as if they were shooting at it.
    [quote] Strange conclusion. And, if suddenly a "cloud" of "axes" flies to the "Khmeimim", and our planes are in the air, then the "shells", "tori", "Triumphs" will wait for all our military units to leave the affected zones? [/ Quote]
    This is not a conclusion. For this, there are designated loitering zones for AWACS aircraft, corridors for fighter-interceptors, launch ban zones, etc. And under the control of a unified ACS and a unified system of identification "friend or foe" this can be done, especially if there is no S-200 among the systems.
    [quote] Ie. you want to say that in 40 seconds. the computer installed in the S-400 target detector did not understand "who is who"? Well, well .... [/ quote]
    I don’t want to upset you, but in 40 seconds there’s not much that can be done in real radar and computer performance doesn’t greatly affect this.
    At our command post, of course, everyone "saw", but could not help ...
    [/ quote] It's bad that it doesn't. We are trending about our "miracle weapon" ...., here it is in action. [/ Quote]
    Weapons with us are probably the best in the world, but good air defense is VERY expensive, I'm afraid that the root of evil is in this ...
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 21 September 2018 17: 01
      0
      Well, if they saw at our checkpoint, at least they would drop the SMS to the Syrians if there were no other channels.
    2. Cop
      Cop 21 September 2018 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: Comrad
      It is possible, but outside the S-200 affected area.
      Why so? They themselves said that they say the GOS missile captures the target even on the launcher ......
      Quote: Comrad
      It makes no sense to shoot whatever (relatively small) while the shooting sector was Il, the result would be exactly the same as if they were shooting at it.
      Apparently this is just for you. 5B21 GOS missiles are retargeted only if they lose their original target. What apparently happened.
      Quote: Comrad
      This is not a conclusion. For this, there are designated loitering zones for AWACS aircraft, corridors for fighter-interceptors, launch ban zones, etc. And under the control of a unified ACS and a unified system of identification "friend or foe" this can be done, especially if there is no S-200 among the systems.
      This reminds me of safety instructions for rocket firing. Will you fight on it too?
      Quote: Comrad
      I don’t want to upset you, but in 40 seconds there’s not much that can be done in real radar and computer performance doesn’t greatly affect this.
      Well, yes, an acoustic portrait of a submarine is "drawn" in a split second, and an object is identified by it even faster. And the radar "portrait" of the target, the 96L6E high-altitude detector from the S-400 complex, cannot "draw" it in 40 seconds. Why then such a complex is needed ...
      Quote: Comrad
      Weapons with us are probably the best in the world, but good air defense is VERY expensive, I'm afraid that the root of evil is in this ...
      And I think that the root of evil is different ...., about 20 kilometers from our base there was an Iranian Boeing under unloading (well, as the author of the article claims), and the Jews quietly destroy it. Why was the air defense base silent? There, even Shell C1 will finish.
      PS You really, if you are going to "otmazyvat" "God's chosen" nation, so at least show your qualifications ...
  43. serg v stock
    serg v stock 21 September 2018 11: 25
    +3
    In my invented story, coincidences are impossible, or random. At the border there is a duty ZRDN, only P18 works. Two foreign aircraft fly up to the border and enter the USSR for 5-7 kilometers. The report on border violation is being given to the operative, to which there follows an answer from the heap of mat and the wishes of all sorts of duty officers of the division, by the way, one of the best OH. They reprimanded him quickly, and a month later a neighboring state sent a letter of apology for the flight of their fighters over the territory of the Union. This is what I mean - none of the large officers wants to take responsibility for making a decision, either then or now. Then the fear of losing a post with which to retire, now - crazy salaries.
  44. tight
    tight 21 September 2018 15: 41
    0
    Good day to everyone! I wanted to say a lot of comments about the downed plane, my purely personal opinion and completely subjective, although our Supreme said that it’s impossible to compare how the Turks shot down the dryer and Il Asadov’s
    as soon as the Turks decided on Idlib, the Asadites brought down Il. Apparently the Asadites are clearly unhappy
    this decision that was made
    without their participation. And condolences in four days are just like the Turks’s
    note!!!
  45. spectr
    spectr 21 September 2018 16: 33
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    Much ado about nothing. All these questions essentially boil down to one. For what purpose were the Russian armed forces introduced into Syria? The author’s head did not cool down while writing the article.
  46. Deadless
    Deadless 21 September 2018 16: 36
    0
    Emotionally, I understand. But as he said before, nothing will change for the better until 2020. And then everything will depend on us!
    1. bang
      bang 21 September 2018 16: 46
      0
      Sorry, what will happen in 2020?
  47. Cottager452
    Cottager452 21 September 2018 16: 55
    0
    Not all Syrian officers approve of the partnership between Russia and Israel, so they added a little pepper. It seems that Assad will have a lot of questions.
  48. sergeis
    sergeis 21 September 2018 18: 41
    0
    Something not a word about the four missiles launched from the French frigate!
  49. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 21 September 2018 19: 55
    -1
    Quote: VohaAhov
    The personnel of the battery that launched the rocket was arrested (someone might even be shot).

    where does this information come from?
  50. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 21 September 2018 20: 13
    -1
    Quote: Comrad
    An on-duty shift from Khmeimim does not have the technical ability to give a command to self-liquidate a Syrian S-200 missile, and to receive information on a missile attack from its RTS or IL-40 crews in 20 seconds and transmit an order to the anti-aircraft missile division through the Syrian KP .

    instead of chasing back and forth information .. our vaunted anti-aircraft gunners at the base could not shoot down the rocket itself? They are there on constant duty. Or just spent eyes? Was the missile detected or not at launch? A rocket flies in the direction of our plane, or ours doesn’t matter where it flies? ... And we beat our eyes?
    There was no team from Putin?
    Tired of listening to nonsense once again ...
    I won’t be surprised if the next time we hit our plane ourselves! All other options have already been tested ... it seems.