Sky News: The channels of military communications in Syria have long been faltering. And IL-20 is no exception

On the pages of the information service Sky News Arabia There was a material in which the author tries to analyze the situation in the Syrian airspace after the Russian IL-20 was shot down there the day before. The material states that "the Syrian sky and the air space around it are overloaded." It is noted that airplanes and helicopters of Russia, the USA, the countries of the American coalition, Israel, Turkey and Iran fly over Syria.


Sky News: The channels of military communications in Syria have long been faltering. And IL-20 is no exception


From the material:
The collapse of the Russian aircraft and the death of 15 military personnel on Monday underscored the danger of overloading the Syrian sky due to differences in international and regional programs, political and military objectives in a country that has been in a bloody conflict for more than seven years.


In particular, an example is given when, during a short period of time in Syria, Russian aircraft, a Turkish helicopter, an Israeli Air Force fighter (reached Israeli territory) and an Iranian drone suffered crashes (were shot down).

The submission says that the attack was inflicted on the Russian aircraft by the militants (Sky News Arabia calls them “rebels”), which “may be connected with Turkey”, by the Turkish helicopter - by Kurdish detachments linked to the United States, by military personnel The air defense of Syria, which is in close contact with Russia, "supplying missiles for the CAA." Sky News Arabia author notes that between Russia and Turkey, Russia and the United States, Russia and Israel, Turkey and the United States, there are channels of special military communications. But episodes with strikes against aerial targets show that these channels actually do not always work. It is noted that the channel did not work in the case of the IL-20, when Israel was not particularly in a hurry to warn Russian colleagues about their actions.

Ultimately, the author of Sky News Arabia makes not only the obvious conclusion that there are too many interests in Syria, but, referring to the experts, the statement of the following nature:
Tehran also pursues a policy of mixing cards to assert its influence in Syria. He uses the opportunities to arrange provocations and so that the parties strike each other.


In other words, the representative of the Western media in the Middle East (BV) decided to expose Iran as the main culprit. For the West and individual representatives of BV is a very convenient information message.
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  1. Bykov. 19 September 2018 18: 08 New
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    There was no mistake. There was a vile, vile setup. Everything is in the spirit of this people.
    1. Mixles 19 September 2018 18: 17 New
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      "World media" howled .. I won’t be surprised if Russia is also accused of the death of our military personnel, etc. And in general they will show that we have nothing to do there. Etc.
      The brilliant operation of Mossad and the CIA .. Everyone clearly calculated! Putin shut up, or rather went back down. Eh Volodya, luck turned away from you, you did not know who you contacted (masters of provocations and fraud). bully
      Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe and rally you .. soldier
      1. saturn.mmm 19 September 2018 19: 01 New
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        Quote: Mixles
        Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe and rally you ..

        Why a friend in quotation marks? Rotenberg is a childhood friend of Putin, so what? What do you specifically have to present to Rotenberg?
        1. Mixles 19 September 2018 19: 20 New
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Quote: Mixles
          Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe and rally you ..

          Why a friend in quotation marks? Rotenberg is a childhood friend of Putin, so what? What do you specifically have to present to Rotenberg?

          Nothing, alas .. But this statement I think everything speaks for itself .. hi

          Agree men. Tough, but for the sake of preserving the state, very effective!
          1. KOCMOC 19 September 2018 19: 40 New
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            Quote: Mixles
            Agree men. Tough, but for the sake of preserving the state, very effective!

            If you planted your friends, in any case shoot yourself, you are either an accomplice, or even worse, a bad person, and therefore not only the state, you can’t save anything a priori.
          2. purple 19 September 2018 19: 59 New
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            Quote: Mixles
            Agree men. Tough, but for the sake of preserving the state, very effective!

            Singapore tale is over
          3. Jerk 20 September 2018 15: 18 New
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            And to begin, for example, with the “duelist” Zolotov. And then his son runs for a long time under the term, everything does not rattle on the bunk - all his business partners were transplanted, Sabadash, Somov, Stepanova, for example, one son of the head of the FSO is just an angel with wings. What makes me think.
        2. Sasha333 20 September 2018 19: 31 New
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          That he is a Jew.
      2. denart50 19 September 2018 19: 06 New
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        Quote: Mixles
        Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe and rally you ..


        And why was Chubais in oblivion ??? request
        1. Mixles 19 September 2018 19: 23 New
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          Quote: denart50
          Quote: Mixles
          Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe and rally you ..


          And why was Chubais in oblivion ??? request

          And then you can all Chubais .. It’s dangerous all of course, but it will be very effective!
        2. saturn.mmm 19 September 2018 19: 36 New
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          Quote: denart50
          And why was Chubais in oblivion ???

          Quote: Mixles
          But this statement I think everything speaks for itself ..


          I would put Putin in Chubais’s place twice and Kudrin once, but the Americans will express discontent and concern, they’re watching tapas, but this is my value judgment.
          1. ver_ 20 September 2018 02: 11 New
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            ... it needs to be planted for only 5 days, but on a good aspen count - chi Schaub experienced all the * charms * of this event ..
      3. 2329 Carpenter 19 September 2018 19: 07 New
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        Meehan, you messed up the last name a little. Or called them few.
        But in general, why plant them?
        They give money - for the championship, for defense. Otherwise, why did Putin spread them so much?
        1. Mixles 19 September 2018 19: 27 New
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          Quote: Carpenter 2329
          They give money - for the championship, for defense. Otherwise, why did Putin spread them so much?

          This is a cover and PR .. And the essence will begin when ours begin to perish (Already 15) ..
          Profits are above all, and huge fortunes are made on the “Russian threat” .. It is only now that Russia has already begun to share. To whom how much and who has shown himself more in such a dangerous business inside Russia.
          And Putin, in my opinion, is already completely confused .. As if his "druzhans" would not have killed him ...
          1. Opera 19 September 2018 19: 38 New
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            And where is our esteemed moderator Roman ?! All this above is not a flood?!?!?! Or is it the kind of flood you need?! Mucked up all the topics already and go nasty!
            1. Mixles 19 September 2018 20: 13 New
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              Quote: Oper
              And where is our esteemed moderator Roman ?! All this above is not a flood?!?!?! Or is it the kind of flood you need?! Mucked up all the topics already and go nasty!

              Tapped already ..? heh heh .. How many of these divorced .. bully
              1. mvg
                mvg 19 September 2018 22: 31 New
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                he he

                How did you, mikhan, get it ... I'm not talking about turning on the brain .. you don’t have it ... Just drink and shut up. Most delicious. Sorry, you can not call veschi (you) in your own words
            2. LMN
              LMN 19 September 2018 21: 13 New
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              Quote: Oper
              And where is our esteemed moderator Roman ?! All this above is not a flood?!?!?! Or is it the kind of flood you need?! Mucked up all the topics already and go nasty!

              I agree!
              Which branch do not go: Either about the "pensions", or about the "Putin's eggs"!

              Although I can understand VO ... they need to do attendance. It is much more offensive to read the inhabitants sad
      4. Baribal 19 September 2018 19: 58 New
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        And in general they will show that we have nothing to do there.


        Yes, we have nothing to do there, and for a long time, we seem to have defeated everyone for a long time! In the Donbas, we are afraid of openly supporting our people, which are endless curses, but then they fled to Syria to save the "brotherly" Arab people. Why do our guys continue to die there, are our taxes spent? Why do they impose on me that Arabs and Persians are friends with whom they should kiss the gums and Jews are eternal enemies? Fly to Israel, see who the Jews are and who the Arabs are, you will have a contrast shower.
    2. Professor 19 September 2018 19: 43 New
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      Quote: Bulls.
      There was no mistake. There was a vile, vile setup. Everything is in the spirit of this people.

      I would not speak so badly about the Syrians. I am sure there are also worthy people there.
      1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 00 New
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        Quote: Professor
        I would not speak so badly about the Syrians. I am sure there are also worthy people there.

        Undoubtedly there is ... Even among you they are ... but not all
      2. Opera 19 September 2018 20: 02 New
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        Above is a very significant comment from an Israeli! Probably a Jew. Killed 15 of our troops. They died through the fault of Israel. Or rather, by the meanness of the Israeli pilots of their commanders and probably the leadership of this state! Well, here it is something under the Israeli flag deigns to mock! I beg you to read this, gentlemen! It is disgusting to read, but it is necessary to never experience illusions!
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          1. mvg
            mvg 19 September 2018 22: 35 New
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            This is one of those moral freaks who consider it their holy duty

            This moral “” is smarter than you, 10 times ... and it monitors the situation many times better and more realistic .. And what you “think” there is like going to church and getting baptized. Turak you are not treated ... Learn to read between the lines. Get married, and not only among hopnikoff
        2. igorbrsv 19 September 2018 21: 38 New
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          I do not like Jews. But I also understand that I have never communicated with them. This was probably influenced by public opinion or genetic memory. Whatever you like. But I can also imagine myself as a f-16 pilot. I am sure that the on-board systems fixed the radiation. They also “perhaps” did not want to die. Presenting that a potential adversary played against the rules is stupid. This must be taken into account in the future.
          1. Maki Avellevich 20 September 2018 06: 33 New
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            Quote: igorbrsv
            I do not like Jews. But I also understand that I have never communicated with them.

            as already said - "did not read but condemn" wink
        3. gurta 19 September 2018 22: 07 New
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          Quote: Oper
          Killed 15 of our troops.
          The ARABAN hand pressed the trigger, the ARAB commander gave the order. And there is no meanness greater than the meanness of Arab-amateurs and Arab-beloved for any nishtyaki to lead true whispers from the answer.
      3. not main 19 September 2018 22: 58 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Bulls.
        There was no mistake. There was a vile, vile setup. Everything is in the spirit of this people.

        I would not speak so badly about the Syrians. I am sure there are also worthy people there.

        Of course have! But the conversation was not about the Syrians, but about the Jews!
      4. ver_ 20 September 2018 02: 23 New
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        ... and what does the Syrians have to do with this - God's chosen ones ... - they crucified Christ and poisoned Stalin when he planned to deport all Jews from Moscow to the Jewish Autonomous Region in Magadan ..
    3. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 28 New
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      You are less and less surprised at the desire of Iran to completely destroy Zionism.
      1. Mixles 19 September 2018 20: 34 New
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        Quote: Foxmara
        You are less and less surprised at the desire of Iran to completely destroy Zionism.

        Quiet ... Now all stripes will come together., Checked!
        1. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 42 New
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          Yes, no, they seem to be skirting today, I only saw one. Either instructions have not been issued yet, or it is really embarrassing, which I personally doubt.
    4. gurta 19 September 2018 20: 44 New
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      Quote: Bulls.
      There was no mistake. There was a vile, vile setup. Everything is in the spirit of this people.
      Everything is said in vile anti-Semitic spirit. The ARABAN hand pressed the trigger, the ARAB commander gave the order. And they are all Jews.
    5. gurta 19 September 2018 22: 03 New
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      Quote: Bulls.
      There was no mistake. There was a vile, vile setup. Everything is in the spirit of this people.
      Since the ARABAS hand pressed the trigger, the ARAB commander gave the order, it turns out that the Arabs or Persians had worked out a vile desire to spoil Russia. Clear.
  2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 19 September 2018 18: 08 New
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    A mess there in the sky of Syria, like a passage yard, fly everyone who wants to, but exclusively Russian planes fall ... Yes, the Israeli Air Force has a causal relationship with the death of Il-Xnumx. At the same time, the cause of the destruction of the aircraft are the actions of the Syrian military, who hit the Russian car after the end of the Israeli air strike.
    1. faiver 19 September 2018 18: 21 New
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      Excuse me, did you yourself detect the end of the Israeli strike? In my opinion, we do not have all the necessary information to draw conclusions, do not you think? hi
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 19 September 2018 18: 28 New
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        The air raid began at about 22.00 Moscow time, Il-20 disappeared from the radar screens in 23.00 Moscow time, which was noted in media reports on the night of 18.09. (https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5574770) Thus, the Israeli Air Force aircraft had already completed an air strike by the time the Russian aircraft died. The same data are confirmed by the Israeli Ministry of Defense. However, already in the morning of September 18, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation actually retroactively changed the declared time of the death of the aircraft to 22.07. (https://ria.ru/world/20180918/1528799910.html) The Ministry of Defense previously demonstrated shots from computer games, so it’s not so simple.
        1. Shahno 19 September 2018 18: 33 New
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          So 22 07 is the same thing (what did the fighters 5min honor circles do?), More precisely, it was changed to 22 02.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 19 September 2018 18: 38 New
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            In general, no one can be trusted.
            1. Fungus 19 September 2018 18: 48 New
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              You believed Israel. And now you say you can’t trust anyone.
              1. Tatanka Yotanka 19 September 2018 20: 28 New
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                But how to believe our MO? bombed at 22 07, and the connection with ours was interrupted at 23 00,
                https://topcor.ru/2493-tragedija-il-20-pochemu-izrail-nevinoven.html
                1. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 46 New
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                  Our Defense Ministry does not send its planes to bomb the territory of a foreign state, but operates strictly by invitation. At least that’s why he has more faith than those who treat terrorists and interfere with restoring a peaceful life. Those whose policies were originally built on lies and double-dealing. But no one personally forbids you to believe Israel.
                  1. Tatanka Yotanka 19 September 2018 20: 57 New
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                    Quote: Foxmara
                    Our Moscow region does not send its planes to bomb

                    you confuse the policy and the establishment of truth in the circumstances, the truth is in the details, and in our Moscow region the details diverge for an hour
                    1. poquello 19 September 2018 21: 22 New
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                      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                      Quote: Foxmara
                      Our Moscow region does not send its planes to bomb

                      you confuse the policy and the establishment of truth in the circumstances, the truth is in the details, and in our Moscow region the details diverge for an hour

                      in how, I heard about the difference in the hour, the Jews said that for the second day their irrefutable data in the MO are
                2. gurta 19 September 2018 22: 09 New
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                  Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                  But how to believe our MO? bombed at 22 07, and communication with ours was interrupted at 23 00

                  First ask who shot and who gave the order.
        2. faiver 19 September 2018 18: 36 New
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          so what am I talking about? most likely we won’t find out the truth, and to draw conclusions on the basis of information the reliability of which is in question an empty lesson. I do not believe neither our MoD nor the Israeli, everyone will give information in a favorable light for themselves .. hi
          1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 01 New
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            This is he to himself ...
            In general, no one can be trusted.
          2. mvg
            mvg 19 September 2018 22: 40 New
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            in a favorable light for yourself ..

            How would Jews rarely give out scorching their info .. And ours should duplicate them, not the boys are sitting there. Loan themselves, I must admit.
      2. saturn.mmm 19 September 2018 19: 03 New
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        Quote: faiver
        Excuse me, did you yourself detect the end of the Israeli strike? In my opinion, we do not have all the necessary information to draw conclusions, do not you think?

        This is not beneficial for Israel, it is as it is beneficial for Iran.
        1. faiver 19 September 2018 19: 07 New
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          we don’t know this, we can only speculate ... and whoever knows will not tell us ...
    2. Bykov. 19 September 2018 18: 29 New
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      No need to translate the arrows. Excuses are all. The Jews hounded and the goat is clear.
      1. Corn 19 September 2018 19: 20 New
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        What nakosyachili?
        The fact that the Syrians launched a rocket in the direction of the Russian aircraft, and she chose a more priority target?
        1. faiver 19 September 2018 19: 26 New
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          What nakosyachili?
          - To begin with, they staged a raid on the territory near our bases ...
          1. borberd 19 September 2018 19: 46 New
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            So the Syrians and Iranians cut the chip that the Israelis do not like to strike near Khmeimim (to avoid mistakes) and dragged their supply points and warehouses with missiles closer.
            Israel is completely unprofitable to shoot down the VKS. This can even be understood by the example of the fact that when the Turks shot down the Su-24, the same Su-24 that flew into Israeli territory was warned of violating the border but was not shot down. All this setup with Ilm is an Iranian provocation. Most likely the Syrian donors paid money.
            1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 05 New
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              I am inclined to believe that Israel just asked a friend overseas ...
              Because the planes were waiting for the IL to be in the air (no one bothered to strike later, or earlier ... why this time?)
              A strike warning 1 min before it.

              If something looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.
              1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 13 New
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                Israel does not do everything that an overseas friend says, especially if there is an agreement. Not Israel brought down Il, but the Syrians (krivoruky or bribed is another question). Israeli planes were already at their bases when the Syrians shot down a Russian plane. So your conclusion does not hold water, but the conclusion that Iranian ears are behind all this is worth considering. And the proverb about a duck explains it as well as possible.
                1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 19 New
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                  Israeli planes were already at their bases when the Syrians shot down a Russian plane.

                  From this place in more detail ...
                  They generally said that they were in Israel, and not at the bases ...
                  And let's remember where your F16 was shot down by a Syrian missile .... on the territory of Israel .. is it strange? there is criticism but no brains
                  1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 25 New
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                    Israeli Air Force aircraft struck the Syrian facility at 22.00, and a Russian plane was shot down at 23.00. This is after the Israelis announced that our planes had already been at the bases for a long time, the Russian leaders retroactively outplayed at 22.07, although before that they had long claimed that they had lost contact with the amyole at 23.00. What is the relationship between the downed F-16? Well, not Friday, brains should be.
                    1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 30 New
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                      Quote: borberd
                      then Russian figures retroactively outplayed at 22.07/XNUMX

                      This is your private opinion not confirmed by anything.
                      1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 34 New
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                        Confirmed by news sites, or do you have a different source of information?
                      2. purple 19 September 2018 20: 40 New
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                        News Sites laughing lol
                        I tend to trust information from the MO and not every garbage dump
                    2. gurta 19 September 2018 22: 11 New
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                      Quote: borberd
                      Russian figures retroactively outplayed at 22.07/XNUMX
                      What do you say, someone lied? Or maybe he gave the order to lie to the Arab-beloved in VO? At the same time and in unison? Checked uncles in dresses?
                2. faiver 19 September 2018 20: 30 New
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                  here it’s a matter of time, if the IL shot down for about 23 hours then yes all the questions are for the Syrians, but if in 22-07, then questions for Israel appear ....
            2. faiver 19 September 2018 20: 19 New
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              What is the distance from Hammeim to the borders with Israel? how many hundreds of kilometers? than the warehouses of Iran even though Hezbol threaten Israel?
              there are about four hundred kilometers to drive ...
              1. gurta 19 September 2018 22: 14 New
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                Quote: faiver
                how do Iran’s warehouses even hezbolas threaten Israel?
                What is the distance from the borders of Russia to Syria? A couple of thousand kilometers? What warehouses even ISIS even NUSRY threaten Russia?
              2. Pimply 20 September 2018 15: 03 New
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                Quote: faiver

                What is the distance from Hammeim to the borders with Israel? how many hundreds of kilometers? than the warehouses of Iran even though Hezbol threaten Israel?
                there are about four hundred kilometers to drive ...


                During the 2006 war of the year - several thousand missiles fired
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          2. Corn 19 September 2018 21: 25 New
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            Quote: faiver
            - To begin with, they staged a raid on the territory near our bases ...

            But should they have stood and watched the pro-Iranian combatants unfold there?
            1. faiver 19 September 2018 22: 06 New
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              Where is Hmeimim and where is Israel?
              1. Corn 19 September 2018 22: 22 New
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                Nearby, these are neighboring states.
                A quite clear agreement can be seen between Russia and Israel: Jews are wetting pro-Iranian combatants in the toilet, Russians are not bothering and sleeping soundly.
    3. spektr9 19 September 2018 19: 30 New
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      At the same time, the cause of the destruction of the aircraft are the actions of the Syrian military, who hit the Russian car after the end of the Israeli air strike.
      Dear Israeli colleague, broadcast this noodles to your citizens in your ears ...
  3. KVU-NSVD 19 September 2018 18: 13 New
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    The channel did not work. Jews did not warn in advance enough. Iran is to blame - a summary of this opus. All pro-Western irons broadcast about the same. Bullshit.
    1. flicker 19 September 2018 18: 43 New
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      Yeah, the Jews are worried that the jamb came out too noticeable, so noticeable that the match was only a circus and ...
      In the memory of the people it seems to be forever ... and, I think, just like that it will not get away with it.
    2. Corn 19 September 2018 19: 17 New
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      The Syrians shot down a Russian plane, and Israel is to blame.
      This is not of course nonsense, but a logical and verified point of view.
      1. borberd 19 September 2018 19: 49 New
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        Of course, Israel is to blame - I didn’t think well, I looked askance, I didn’t smile so ... The most innocent are the Syrian air defense forces. sad
        1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 06 New
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          good the usual logic of the Israelites good
          keep it up
          1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 20 New
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            The logic is standard. The Israelis arrived, struck the Syrian-Iranian object, and flew away. An hour later, the VKS plane was returning from the mission, and when landing, the Syrians shot down it. But for the pseudo-patriots, Israel is guilty for some reason. Don't you think that your logic is somewhat illogical?
            1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 26 New
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              but it doesn't seem to you that you are telling a little untruth ...
              1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 27 New
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                It does not seem . Indicate where it is not true, if at all ...
                1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 39 New
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                  an hour later the VKS plane ... straight storyteller ... Hans Khristiyan
                  1. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 50 New
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                    According to your MO:
                    "September 17 at about 23:00 Moscow time when returning to the Khmeimim airbase over the Mediterranean Sea, 35 kilometers from the coast of Syria, the connection with the crew of the Russian Il-20 plane was lost," the ministry said.

                    I don’t know which of you is a storyteller, but I’m definitely not wassat
                    1. purple 19 September 2018 20: 55 New
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                      Quote: borberd
                      September 17 at about 23 p.m. Moscow time

                      Well, where is it written that at 23 00? it was preliminary information, at a briefing they specified the time ... what is wrong?
                    2. Kolovrat Rus 19 September 2018 22: 02 New
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                      Cover a couple of Israeli airfields with calibers, and dump them on amers and tomahawks. Oh and the vile folk. Iran is right!
                      1. tlauicol 20 September 2018 03: 58 New
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                        Quote: Kolovrat Rus
                        Cover a couple of Israeli airfields with calibers, and dump them on amers and tomahawks. Oh and the vile folk. Iran is right!

                        The meanness is to agree with Assad on cooperation and protection, and right there, behind his back, with Israel about the bombing of his last allies: Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. And after each raid smile Assad in the eye. Dreaming at the same time to destroy the Jews. The meanness is to protect the murderers and their stupid generals, and to give foreign land to the Turks and militants, to divide the foreign provinces for which our soldiers were dying
        2. faiver 19 September 2018 20: 24 New
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          The most innocent are Syrian air defenses
          - that's why they are under arrest, you look there they will all be sent to the Gulag to Siberia ...
  4. LMN
    LMN 19 September 2018 18: 15 New
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    Well, it is.
    And they won’t be surprised at our “unforced” losses, even though we are not fighting there. Of course, what to expect when you are between the 4 warring countries?
    Such cases as with our IL will continue (in one form or another) until the war is over. And not foresee everything.

    As an option, to really “announce” the closed zone ... but here you need to understand what responsibility the Russian Federation takes upon itself! And after such a decision, the likelihood that the Russian Federation will become one of the participants in the war increases significantly ...
    1. Mr Credo 19 September 2018 19: 44 New
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      Here are some interesting people! They either yell that we will tear everyone, or they offer indulgences in relation to ourselves. War involves creating maximum problems and causing maximum damage to the enemy. And here they propose creating greenhouse conditions for themselves. No guys! Once called bumps, climb into the basket! Nobody will create greenhouse conditions for you. Not for that it all started. But the creation of problems is ensured. And the task of our analysts is to predict possible problems. So far, our analysts have not issued any analytics and are solving problems after the problems have arisen. Do we create problems for our incredible partners, I don’t know. But they constantly puzzle us. Their analytical center works very well and calculates situations. We shouldn’t throw our hats, but work with our heads.
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        LMN 19 September 2018 20: 02 New
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        Quote: Mr Credo
        Here are some interesting people! They either yell that we will tear everyone, or they offer indulgences in relation to ourselves. War involves creating maximum problems and causing maximum damage to the enemy. And here they propose creating greenhouse conditions for themselves. No guys! Once called bumps, climb into the basket! Nobody will create greenhouse conditions for you. Not for that it all started. But the creation of problems is ensured. And the task of our analysts is to predict possible problems. So far, our analysts have not issued any analytics and are solving problems after the problems have arisen. Do we create problems for our incredible partners, I don’t know. But they constantly puzzle us. Their analytical center works very well and calculates situations. We shouldn’t throw our hats, but work with our heads.

        I do not quite understand your idea, sorry.

        Their analytical center works very well and calculates situations.

        Whose THEIR?! Israel, Turkey, Iran, Syria, USA and Co. ??

        They either yell that we will tear everyone, or they offer indulgences in relation to ourselves.

        Who calls?! Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ?? Links please, I will get acquainted with ud and it will be a "surprise" for me yes

        Do we create problems for our incredible partners, I don’t know.

        The Russian Federation openly creates problems for ALL parties to the conflict (except Syria)! Israel, Iran, Turkey, and especially the United States and Co., because the Russian Federation prevents the chaos in BV.

        PS. Our dialogue will probably be much more productive if you are more substantive. hi
        1. Mr Credo 19 September 2018 21: 32 New
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          The analytical center of our partners works well. And our commentators like to shower with caps. Dialogue on VO is simply impossible. Unable to find your comment without making the current one. It is impossible to see and respond to your comment. Very uncomfortable. Not even a bell, bell or envelope. hi
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            LMN 19 September 2018 22: 01 New
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            Quote: Mr Credo
            The analytical center of our partners works well. And our commentators like to shower with caps. Dialogue on VO is simply impossible. Unable to find your comment without making the current one. It is impossible to see and respond to your comment. Very uncomfortable. Not even a bell, bell or envelope. hi

            In this, I agree hi Although I got alerts online when I’m online, from a smartphone, I get alerts about the responses to my message. Which in my opinion is undoubtedly a plus hi
  5. pru-pavel 19 September 2018 18: 19 New
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    A whole air defense battalion has been arrested in Syria. crafty Jews framed not only the IL-20 but also an integral battalion of high-tech air defense forces. Bravissimo.
    1. Russian officer 19 September 2018 18: 25 New
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      Did you find this information on Ura.ru or from Murid?
      1. pru-pavel 20 September 2018 03: 58 New
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        It turns out that so. Well, let's see what happens next. In a day, it will be clear that I will feikanul in a hurry or not.
    2. Warrior Spirit 19 September 2018 18: 30 New
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      Moreover, the Syrians claim that they did not work on the IL-20. It was a Khmeimim air defense zone. If this turns out to be true, well, I don’t know ... Such an insult will not be tolerated. Russia occupies Israel in 24 hours !!!
      1. Mr Credo 19 September 2018 19: 46 New
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        Russia occupies Israel in 24 hours !!! # And who will go where? Russia as part of Israel or Israel will be part of Russia! winked
      2. purple 19 September 2018 20: 08 New
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        I’m looking at chubby ones and have already got here?
  6. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 18: 21 New
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    In principle, they are right - the only reason Israel struck and is striking at Syria (Hezbollah, Iranian weapons, etc.) is the presence of Iran.

    Russia perfectly understands this and therefore does not interfere.

    As soon as Iran leaves Syria and Assad + Russia remains there, Israel will not strike in Syria and one problem will become less.

    Iran interferes with Russia in Syria. Far Iran creates many problems in Syria, Lebanon and other places.
    1. Bykov. 19 September 2018 18: 32 New
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      The only reason is impunity. Iranians are fighting with hezbollah in Syria at the invitation of the official authorities of this country.
      1. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 18: 36 New
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        Quote: Bulls.
        And the Iranians are fighting with hezbollah in Syria at the invitation of the official authorities of this country.


        This does not stop Iran from supporting the Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists who are fighting against Israel.

        What is the matter of Israel, which is at war with Syria, to the point that Syria has invited them to her?
    2. faiver 19 September 2018 18: 38 New
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      the only reason Israel has struck and is striking at Syria (Hezbollah, Iranian weapons, etc.) is the presence of Iran.
      - Does the Israeli cabinet report daily to you? these are your speculations and no more ...
      1. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 18: 42 New
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        Quote: faiver
        - Does the Israeli cabinet report daily to you? these are your speculations and no more ...


        The Prime Minister of Israel spoke about this openly. And this is obvious, and that is precisely why Russia does not interfere.

        Moreover, Israel Syria offered peace if they refused to cooperate with Iran and its Hezbollah terrorists.
        But Assad chose Iran.

        Moreover, before Iran strengthened in Syria and the war, the border was relatively quiet.
        1. faiver 19 September 2018 18: 48 New
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          The Prime Minister of Israel spoke about this openly.
          - So what? we all always say what kind of world peace is, and wars continue ...
          1. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 19: 14 New
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            In addition to this, I wrote to you that there was silence at the border, etc. - this is not talk.
        2. purple 19 September 2018 20: 09 New
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          laughing laughing It was quiet throughout Russia, it didn’t go there ... and there the United States already connected Israel ... so that it crap little by little, earlier it was just Israel both ours and yours ... and then apparently they suggested that it became only yours
        3. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 58 New
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          yes, yes, they offer peace and protect / treat / train terrorists in Syria. Iran will leave - there will be fewer opportunities on earth to oppose the barmaley - Israel will also support the barmaley until the complete destruction of Syria. It just so happened that with its intervention in Syria, Israel has achieved strictly opposite goals - Hezbollah has become stronger and closer. Now you can bite your elbows.
          However, looking at the methods of Israel, you begin to think that Iran is probably right ..
          A bit of sincerity would not hurt international relations, but that is not to Israel.
    3. spektr9 19 September 2018 19: 42 New
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      As soon as Iran leaves Syria and Assad + Russia remains there, Israel will not strike in Syria and one problem will become less.
      Who told you such nonsense Israeli friends, so they would not care if they wanted to. You were told that Syria and Israel are at war and they will beat in any case ...
    4. Mr Credo 19 September 2018 19: 48 New
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      What kind of problems does Iran create? Does not want a repeat of the fate of Iraq and Libya?
  7. tlauicol 19 September 2018 18: 32 New
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    Israel has had no problems with the videoconferencing all these years. We would like to bring down - would have shot down 150 times before. Even when our border with Israel was violated - they didn’t knock down, everyday life was cramped in the sky, they simply warned of a change in course. And they don’t need a cover in the form of silt - they had already struck several hundred blows and wanted to sneeze on air defense.
    The whole problem in the Syrian woodpeckers at the controls! Which haven't even apologized by the way so far! And in our degenerators who created this air defense and flights coordinate. And now they rejoice at the head of Shoigu anti-Semitic hysteria, which covers their epaulettes and conscience! As the brains were outside, they remained!
    1. Bykov. 19 September 2018 19: 12 New
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      Why do Jews paint the Russian tricolor for themselves?
      1. tlauicol 19 September 2018 19: 19 New
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        Quote: Bulls.
        Why do Jews paint the Russian tricolor for themselves?

        I am Russian, this is my flag. Just brains in place. In fact, there is something to say, anti-Semitic?
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          I am Russian, this is my flag
          The same Russian as I am Romanian, well, really funny, stop
        2. purple 19 September 2018 20: 10 New
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          It was just a question ... guess who answers the question with the question? laughing lol
    2. purple 19 September 2018 20: 21 New
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      Correctly, there would be no problems if there had been no statement about MH17, and that vile answer arrived ... and again with the wrong hands
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      1. Shahno 19 September 2018 20: 55 New
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        So, in the evening, the GDP changed the wording “deliberate provocation” to “unintentional chance." Probably talked with someone, maybe he learned a new one ...
        And Shiites are already deciding where to put their bases in Syria, closer to Russian bases.
        1. flicker 19 September 2018 21: 17 New
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          "unintentional accident"
          This is the launch of a Syrian air defense missile as a result of which IL was shot down, and
          "deliberate provocation"
          these are the actions of Israeli aircraft, who were waiting for the moment of the attack with the approach of the IL and with a ridiculous warning a minute before the strike.
  8. NordUral 19 September 2018 18: 41 New
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    It is noted that the channel did not work in the case of IL-20, when Israel was not particularly in a hurry to warn Russian colleagues about its actions.

    Not the channel did not work, but the vile desire to spoil Russia.
    1. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 19: 16 New
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      Quote: NordUral
      Not the channel did not work, but the vile desire to spoil Russia.


      And where were the superfood radars of Russia, what seems to be seeing everything that flies in Israel?
      1. Mr Credo 19 September 2018 19: 52 New
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        The question is very interesting! Why ours did not accompany theirs at take-off? Slap it? Or do a gentleman take a word? Or are they our friends, and are we theirs? How did Vysotsky sing !? And they told me, Sam is our friend! Here is a friend!
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        I will explain for those who are from an armored train ... They were well seen, but there are many planes flying, and not for the first time, flying and flying themselves, there are no psychics there to know about the intentions of the pilots.
        And they warned purely formally in a minute .... a typical setup ...
        1. tlauicol 20 September 2018 04: 08 New
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          Il20 flew more than two hours in this sector. In the air defense we created alone de..ly? The mantra about a minute is beneficial only to the Nazis and the gold miners, who are crap in full and are trembling for their stars. Shoot the head of his friend on the hunt and blame the ducks for this - this is the diagnosis
  9. Mihail177 19 September 2018 18: 43 New
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    The problem has another side. Dragged from another forum:
    It is hard to imagine how our aviators in Syria are now demotivated and humiliated. Chain of coincidences and zinc. And nothing will happen to anyone.
    1. Asian 19 September 2018 19: 26 New
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      Return to that forum this misinformation. The personnel of the group of forces have no demotivation, the provocative lesson taught to us and unfortunately by our blood has been learned, war is war, although this is not a strong excuse. I’m still recovering, before the publication of the list of the dead, frankly, I wrote in boiling water.
      But the lesson is good, and an attempt to cast far away on the first provocation with an eye to bring discord between all parties in the region, followed by the “all with all” brawl, thanks to the right policy of our president, failed again. And the prevailing opinion is such that our guys with Jews really want to push their foreheads, and believe me, in Israel itself and its armed forces everything is not so clear.
      1. KOCMOC 19 September 2018 20: 01 New
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        Quote: aziat
        the provocative lesson taught to us and unfortunately by our own blood has been learned, war is war, although this is not a strong excuse

        Of course, neither Jews, nor Syrians, nor Iranians, and even terrible Americans are to blame. In any case, the Russian military themselves are to blame, if this is war, then everything must be foreseen!
      2. flicker 19 September 2018 21: 41 New
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        I’m still recovering, before the publication of the list of the dead, frankly, I wrote in boiling water.
        And after publication it became easier?
        And the prevailing opinion is such that our guys with Jews really want to push their foreheads, and believe me, in Israel itself and its armed forces everything is not so clear.
        A good formula (a little lower about it), under it you can spread the gender of Israel, and then give this formula to the Israelis for discussion, they say, we just want to push the Russians with our foreheads.
        Do they want to?
        I am sure that they want to, they write about this a lot and even call who. They say that the "deep state". Could this be? I think quite. They explain to us that Trump is being attacked by the “deep state”, if we drive hard, then Trump’s opponents will win the election, but they say that this is not profitable, so we will remain silent. Israel also inflicts attacks on Syria by orders of the "deep state", we must understand Israel and its leadership. We understand, we are going to meet. But just that I don’t see Trump and Israel actively fighting this “state”. And the whole problem is that both Trump and Israel are fighting with him for friendship (they do not want to defeat him), they want to be friends with him (and at the cost of our death) as it was before (for Israel), and Trump wants it supported his industrial policy.
        So, only we are really forced to fight this “state”. And if so, then why the hell should we get away from the blow that Trump, that Israel, especially since they work for our death.
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      1. Corn 19 September 2018 19: 13 New
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        You do not loosen the boat.
        Any thought is a crime. It was still not enough for people to open an encyclopedia and begin to draw analogies.
    2. Asian 19 September 2018 19: 34 New
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      Do not be surprised, there will be pros and cons, on the forum under the star of David there are enough adequate people who can stand up for their state (which we often lack), and frank writers about "the whole world in ruin" have never been distinguished by special adequacy.
    3. Orkraider 19 September 2018 19: 34 New
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      After such an event, I will be surprised at the pluses in the rating of commentators under the flag with the star of David. This is - if during the Second World War the Soviet people would like the Nazis to justify the treacherous attack on the morning of June 22, 1941 ... Nothing personal, it just so happened that our roads diverged in different directions a long time ago ...

      Why be surprised? There are many of them, they carry out deliberate propaganda, their actions are united and they support each other. They are plus! It is we, Russia, who divide ourselves, damn it, the Communists in one direction, the Orthodox in the other, the liberals in the third, Muslims in the fourth. We need to be together !! Therein lies strength, in unity, in truth!
  11. denart50 19 September 2018 19: 04 New
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    The fact that the Syrian sky is full is clear to everyone for a long time ... Its owner - Syria, and an ally - Russia - still can’t say the firm “NO” to the incomprehensible coalition as well as Israel and Turkey ... By the way, the UN is keeping quiet. about all incomprehensible flyers in the Syrian sky ... So no one is safe from mistakes, and even more so from provocations ...
    However, the communication channels between the various "walkers" in the Syrian sky are not used as we would like ...
    "Israel was not particularly in a hurry to warn Russian colleagues about its actions."..
    Hmm ... Yes, just like the "coalition" represented by the United States, like Turkey ... Everyone pursues their own goals, and does not think to reveal their cards prematurely ...
    Here, first of all, the question again arises of the UN as a powerless organization ... It is hosted in the sky of Syria, and it’s not too lazy ... The UN does not see this point blank ...
  12. pafegosoff 19 September 2018 19: 10 New
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    Find out the vile thing.
    "Corner" is my call sign.
    Like "Maiden" - Salekhard ... "Maiden, five sticks in your zone!" - This is An12 No. 11111 entered the area.
    And here - a vile and vile setup, I absolutely agree with Bykov. We are defenseless worker wars ...
  13. Doliva63 19 September 2018 19: 23 New
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    Give a lift to the air defense, declare it a no-fly zone, and that’s it. Ready or not, here I come. Technically elementary. But ours will not risk it. I think so.
    1. Warrior Spirit 19 September 2018 19: 27 New
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      Quote: Doliva63
      Give a lift to the air defense, declare it a no-fly zone, and that’s it. Ready or not, here I come. Technically elementary. But ours will not risk it. I think so.
      - have been announced more than once. And somehow, the ads do not go any further. And even vice versa, the number of shot down Russian aircraft by orders of magnitude exceeds the losses of any other side. Something is wrong...
      1. Asian 19 September 2018 19: 40 New
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        Please list these times. And at the same time find out what the "no-fly zone" is and look at the map of this region. How many and whose planes fly there.
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          Quote: aziat
          Please list these times. And at the same time find out what the "no-fly zone" is and look at the map of this region. How many and whose planes fly there.

          - Tell me how many NATO aircraft were shot down, unhindered destroying targets in Syria. And tell us how many have already perished.
          If you have not heard about the “umbrella over Syria” and the “paradox of the non-planar model of the Earth” - I can’t help you with anything.
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            Quote: Warrior Spirit
            Quote: aziat
            Please list these times. And at the same time find out what the "no-fly zone" is and look at the map of this region. How many and whose planes fly there.

            - Tell me how many NATO aircraft were shot down, unhindered destroying targets in Syria. And tell us how many have already perished.
            If you have not heard about the “umbrella over Syria” and the “paradox of the non-planar model of the Earth” - I can’t help you with anything.


            tell me how many NATO aircraft were shot down, unhindered destroying targets in Syria. And tell us how many have already perished.

            Tell me the ratio of the combat sorties of NATO forces and the Russian Aerospace Forces. hi
  14. Asian 19 September 2018 19: 50 New
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    Quote: Warrior Spirit
    Quote: aziat
    Please list these times. And at the same time find out what the "no-fly zone" is and look at the map of this region. How many and whose planes fly there.

    - Tell me how many NATO aircraft were shot down, unhindered destroying targets in Syria. And tell us how many have already perished.
    If you have not heard about the “umbrella over Syria” and the “paradox of the non-planar model of the Earth” - I can’t help you with anything.

    Means there were no announcements of "no-fly zones". There were no goals and objectives to bring down coalition planes before the airborne forces, and such cannot be in principle. The provocations that were carried out against our group did not achieve their goals. For the rest, I can absolutely do nothing to help you.
  15. flicker 19 September 2018 19: 57 New
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    Something to remember: "On the night of April 9, it became known about a missile strike at Tifor airbase (T-4), located in the province of Homs. Syrian media reported the dead and wounded, but their exact number was not specified. The aircraft were listed as unknown, later they were identified, and Israeli aircraft struck.
    According to the Ministry of Defense, two Israeli F-15s attacked the Tifor airfield from 3:25 to 3:53 Moscow time from Lebanon without entering Syrian airspace. "
    At that moment, the ships of the USA and France were in the Mediterranean Sea and an attack by unidentified aircraft (from the side where these ships were) could provoke a Russian attack on US ships.
    Those. for Israel, this is not the first provocation against Russia.
    There is much more to be remembered, but this latter has clearly gone beyond. And so much so that many began scribbling excuses, just to somehow reduce the negative tide of Jews toward the Russians.
    But, it seems, Israel has crossed the line and will not succeed in lowering this lap (and this is not the first) on the brakes.
  16. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 31 New
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    but exclusively Russian planes are falling

    No, just the Jews hide their mistakes and defeats. As with the F-35, which was shot down by the S-200, but then it turned out that the plane was "damaged" by the bird, moreover, two weeks before departure. American helicopters have also fallen, so formally you are wrong. Everyone is trying to hide their losses. Someone succeeds.
  17. Foxmara 19 September 2018 20: 37 New
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    Of course, Israel is to blame

    You still ask, what for sho?
    Arrived in a foreign country, bombed, substituted our aircraft under air defense (intentionally) and now they are building innocent lambs. I am surprised only that here at least one representative of this exceptional state has drawn. Neither conscience nor morality. Can Iran be right in its claims?
  18. AlexanderK 19 September 2018 20: 40 New
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    This is what Israel destroyed:

    https://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer5/2018/09/19/8779702/87797010990100980550no_490X0.jpg
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      some kind of hangar which for some reason was called the warehouse of ammunition? Fire in general ... lol Probably only the Israelis who are in fear believe in it
  19. borberd 19 September 2018 20: 45 New
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    News Sites laughing lol
    I tend to trust information from the MO and not every garbage dump

    Seriously ??? laughing Yes, you just did not read your MO files recently. Trust him - do not respect yourself. But it’s your business to believe what garbage can. bully
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      Seriously ??? laughing Yes, you just did not read your MO files recently.

      remind ...
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      So your trust not to respect yourself ... if Israel immediately announced publicly about the disaster there might be fewer questions, but the first official comments by Israel after how many hours followed? 8-10-12-18 hours?
      1. purple 19 September 2018 21: 11 New
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        How can you not respect yourself and trust yourself ... if Israel immediately announced publicly about the disaster there might be fewer questions, but how many hours did Israel’s first official comments follow? 8-10-12-18 hours?

        For US customers, the phone was probably cut off during this time, they say, Cho, and how, why we were so framed .... help ...
        And those they get out yourself as you want, we are generally out of business lol
  20. 16112014nk 19 September 2018 20: 47 New
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    Quote: Mixles
    Plant Rotenberg's “friend” and the people will believe you

    The bourgeois authorities in Russia do not have such a scale of Stalin or Lee Kuan Yu, and they do not need such. So as not to interfere with theft.
  21. Victorio 19 September 2018 21: 29 New
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    maybe besides the announcement of an unintentional accident there will be some actions ?! if they are Syrians, then by the cap of the air defense command, if they overslept the VKS, then the perpetrators will be tried, but if the Israelis, then the ambassador’s call, the announcement of the no-fly zone, something else ?!
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      maybe besides the announcement of an unintentional accident there will be some actions ?! if they are Syrians, then by the cap of the air defense command, if they overslept the VKS, then the perpetrators will be tried, but if the Israelis, then the ambassador’s call, the announcement of the no-fly zone, something else ?!

      Well, for starters, our zone is closed for unplanned maneuvers, so to say hello AUG
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1537374652
  22. high 19 September 2018 21: 36 New
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    We noticed that Assad did not call Putin and did not express condolences.
    Reason: not Syrian air defense shot down Il, apparently, shot down Russian air defense.
    By the way, the pilots drew attention to the untwisted nonsense, the F-16 plane could not hide behind the slow-moving Il aircraft, whose speed is 3 times lower than that of the F-16 .....
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      apparently shot down by Russian air defense
      - What is it like?
      F-16 could not hide behind
      - where does the speed come from?
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    borberd,

    You have already been poked ... are you few?
  24. Prisoner 19 September 2018 21: 57 New
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    Once the silent will crush no matter how you crap. Pushed in the face received, then they will be afraid. Ours are being pushed, ours are silent. If even now they are silent, then all this canoe about advanced weapons and TP eggs not worth it.
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      LMN 19 September 2018 22: 46 New
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      Quote: Captive
      Once the silent will crush no matter how you crap. Pushed in the face received, then they will be afraid. Ours are being pushed, ours are silent. If even now they are silent, then all this canoe about advanced weapons and TP eggs not worth it.

      This is not so respected hi
      Once I happened to “bring out” the girlfriends of the daughter who came to her in the DR (6-8 years old), walk))) It was a “tin” laughing They like ants scattered across the squares: one climbed a hill 3 meters high, the other at that moment “fell” from a swing ... want to try?)) This is certainly not the RF to manage, but it delivers .. wink

      Does this mean that everyone I meet will hit me in the face and there will be nothing for him?)
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    Well, such promises towards Iran are preparing the West to begin to put pressure on Iran with particular force, to break the alliance between Russia, Turkey and Iran, and then against Turkey.
  26. HMR333 19 September 2018 23: 03 New
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    where does the Israeli plane and helicopters that were in the thick of things ?!
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      where does the Israeli plane and helicopters that were in the thick of things ?!

      You ask about helicopters!? And what does the "Arctic TOP" and the camp "Artek" have to do with it ??? laughing
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    mvg 20 September 2018 00: 24 New
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    purple,
    You tend to trust emotions and pivasik, but not brains ..
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      LMN 20 September 2018 00: 44 New
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      Quote: mvg
      purple,
      You tend to trust emotions and pivasik, but not brains ..

      Justify?)
  28. Asian 20 September 2018 19: 18 New
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    Quote: flicker
    I’m still recovering, before the publication of the list of the dead, frankly, I wrote in boiling water.
    And after publication it became easier?
    If you don’t understand what it’s about, then you can breed demagogy. Eagle, b .... Th.
    And the prevailing opinion is such that our guys with Jews really want to push their foreheads, and believe me, in Israel itself and its armed forces everything is not so clear.
    A good formula (a little lower about it), under it you can spread the gender of Israel, and then give this formula to the Israelis for discussion, they say, we just want to push the Russians with our foreheads.
    Do they want to?
    ..........

    And again - besides demagoguery - nothing.
  29. Kolovrat Rus 20 September 2018 21: 28 New
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    tlauicol,
    Yes, you are right, the holy children of Israel. So, someone negotiates with you is stupid and akin to betrayal. With the enemies. there should not be any agreements. Russia is in Syria legally, according to all the canons of international law. But the Jews are bombing a sovereign state. I repeat once again. Long live Iran!