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The list of those killed in the attack on the IL-20 military. 14 surnames instead of 15

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The media, citing the Russian Ministry of Defense, published a list of those killed in Syria as a result of a strike on the IL-20 electronic surveillance aircraft. These are military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces, many of whom were not in the Syrian Arab Republic for the first time. At the same time, the published list contains 14 surnames, although earlier in the military department of the country they spoke about 15 of the dead servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces.


Unveiled list:
Sergey Gavryutin, Konstantin Nazarov, Alexander Vechernin, Timofey Baranov, Pavel Tkachenko, Alexander Burlaka, Grigory Zinoviev, Denis Gordov, Roman Dolmatov, Victor Kvasenkov, Alexey Sedunov, Vladimir Yakovlev, Alexey Arzumanov, Andrei Sergeyenkov.

Brief information from available sources about some of the officers aboard the IL-20 in the SAR.

Andrei Vechernin’s account has published several photos of his brother Alexander.
The list of those killed in the attack on the IL-20 military. 14 surnames instead of 15



According to some reports, Alexander graduated from the Chelyabinsk Higher Military aviation Navigation School in 2007, originally from Vitebsk, lived for some time in the city of Forest, Sverdlovsk Region. Alexander had a wife and a son in Kubinka near Moscow.

One of the latest photos on Alexander’s own VKontakte page:


Sergey Gavryutin 1985 year of birth. He comes from Yeisk. On his page on the social network indicated that he was in the group: "Balashovskoe VVAUL VI release 2008".

Konstantin Nazarov. Originally from the Volgograd region. He lived with his family in Naro-Fominsk. Graduate of the Krasnodar Air Force University. Serov. Judging by the data from the social network, Constantine left a wife and 5-year-old daughter.

"Military Review" expresses its condolences to the families and friends of the servicemen who were killed in Syria who were aboard the IL-20.
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  1. faiver
    faiver 19 September 2018 12: 14
    +53
    Earth you rest in peace men
    1. figwam
      figwam 19 September 2018 12: 21
      +25
      Who could know that this trip would be the last. Condolences to family and friends.
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        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 September 2018 12: 33
          +15
          Eternal Flight guys ... the tragedy of the moment is that this could have been avoided ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 19 September 2018 12: 43
            +28
            It was even scary to open this page on the site. So much grief in their families now! Young men, heroic husbands and fathers! And at once there were so many dead - 15 officers, Russian troops!
            The color of the nation, if you want! And they were gone.

            We all mourn for such a loss! Our most sincere condolences to their families and friends, their military friends and comrades!

            Can Russia be able to pick up their remains from the bottom of the sea and bury them in their homeland? I really hope so.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 19 September 2018 13: 35
              +25
              Quote: Tatiana
              It was even scary to open this page on the site. So much grief in their families now!

              How I know all this. When the crew of such an aircraft dies, sorrow and sobs throughout the garrison. During our service in the garrison of Fedotovo (Kipelovo), we had 6 disasters. All aircraft with crews of 9-11 people. I still recall with a shudder what was happening in the garrison after receiving news of the death of the next crew. I don’t wish anyone to survive this.
              Eternal memory to you guys. My sincere condolences to your family and friends.
              1. Chunaev.va
                Chunaev.va 19 September 2018 15: 28
                +9
                Those who did not bury their comrades in military service will not understand the whole tragedy with the IL-20 crew. Service in the Air Force of the Northern Fleet has many facts of plane crashes. I had to bury the crew of TUSHKA in the garrison of Deer (High) due to an error in the navigational service. Sincere condolences to relatives and friends. The kingdom of heaven and the Eternal Memory of the dead in the performance of their military duty.
      2. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 19 September 2018 12: 30
        +12
        Land they rest in peace.
        1. NN52
          NN52 19 September 2018 13: 24
          +23
          You’ve lived half the lives of anxiety
          They flew away without beckoning
          On obscure airways
          Copper pipes, colds and fire

          How many times have you said goodbye to your family,
          Day after day leaving the threshold.
          So mothers turned gray
          From my maternal anxieties.

          How did you love the sky of Russia,
          And without fear in brave eyes
          You circled in this element,
          Sometimes disappearing into the clouds.

          And when the routine came
          Manifesting bestiality,
          Every time they stole a car
          And with fortune they could play pranks.

          But what is this prank?
          There is no prank in this
          After all, when the land approached you,
          You just waved her hand.

          Bright memory to the guys ....
          Condolences to family and friends ... We must hold on ...
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 19 September 2018 12: 34
        +21
        Still, I don't understand the position of our leadership: "..this is not the case with" drying ", a chain of circumstances, ..the Syrian missile ..". A simple analogy: fighter # 1 tries to shoot fighter # 2, and No. 2 takes in the arms of a civilian (an analogy with the civilian is appropriate, the IL-20 was not going to fire at anyone, let alone bombard) and hiding behind them. Whose fault is it primarily in the death of the "civilian"? The lion's share of guilt lies with No. 2. So, in fact, it turns out Shoigu, with his "harsh" statement, acted most decently (at least in relation to the dead guys)! But the rest ... negative
        1. AlexanderK
          AlexanderK 19 September 2018 12: 55
          -5
          Why did soldier number 1 shoot at soldier number two knowing full well that there was a civilian and ally in the area of ​​his weapons? Not to mention the fact that fighter 1 is inexperienced and does not really know how to shoot, doesn’t know how to use his own, spits on the civilian population?

          Again, soldier number 2 stated that he was no longer in the strike area when a civilian was killed and was ready to provide evidence.

          Condolences to the families and families of the victims.
          1. demo
            demo 19 September 2018 13: 19
            +13
            Without abstractions.
            The Russian Federation and its VKS have been in Syria since 2015 of the year.
            During this time, much water has flowed.
            And if our unfortunate commanders and commanders have not figured out what kind of human material they have to deal with, then such bosses must be driven up and down, with the deprivation of ranks, awards and pensions.
            During this time, at the training grounds of the Russian Federation, it was possible to train personnel for more than one division.
            Why didn’t this happen?
            Didn’t they know that Israel was bombing, will bomb and will bomb in the future all that can be linked to Iran (and this can be linked to whatever you want).
            If Putin likes this state of affairs, this is one thing, but if you take into account such events, then the Israelis should have long been brave about their dangerous habit.
            Heels of another would be shot down by airplanes; you look, agility would be reduced.
            But the most interesting thing is not even spoken about.
            Who informs Israel about the departure time of our aircraft?
            The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gives such information?
            Not. Moreover, this is the board of RER, and not bombers or fighters.
            So the Syrians are leaking.
            Spontaneously adjust this if possible, it is at the limit of skill.
            The Israelis did not have such an experience before.
            But the French, Americans, the British probably had.
            They could tell how to do the right thing.
            But this is speculation.
            The wines of the Syrians here are minimal.
            Even if their commanders leaked information, the crew did not know about it.
            But the little canal would be opened and used so that the desire of some was lost, it would be great.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 19 September 2018 13: 34
              +10
              At those short distances in Syria, modern surveillance tools make it perfectly possible who, when, where it took off from and what type of aircraft
              Israeli pilots, experienced pilots, and do not belittle them here, the question is that not every pilot will consciously act this way ... apparently the mentality is all the same ..
              as for the Arabs ... how many have been taught, and at different times, the result is the same ...
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 19 September 2018 15: 14
                +13
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                At those short distances in Syria, modern surveillance tools make it perfectly possible who, when, where it took off from and what type of aircraft
                Israeli pilots, experienced pilots, and do not belittle

                That's it! And the fact that the Israeli Air Force warned Moscow a minute (!!!) before the strike - Is it not uniform mockery and fraud! I'm not saying that the Israelis worked controlled bombs in Latakia - this is actually a stronghold of Russia in Syria. Base VKS at the airport Hmeimim. Navy base in Tartus. The constant presence of the Mediterranean squadron of the Russian fleet. The situation is unprecedented. Oddnym word, Israel acted insolently, probably knowing in advance that everything would end with "decisive protests". Now they pretended to be innocent lambs, and we swallow it all. It's a shame for the state, most importantly, you won’t return the lives of the guys ...
                1. Separ
                  Separ 19 September 2018 18: 58
                  +2
                  In this situation, we can calmly bomb in Tbilisi the American laboratory for the cultivation of all kinds of muck, and in Ukraine there are also many such objects ..

                  And to the Heroes the kingdom of heaven
          2. audigamma
            audigamma 19 September 2018 13: 27
            +15
            Well, in the first place, the S-200 calculation might not have known about IL 20. Airborne reconnaissance is not conducted. Turn on by alarm. Secondly, its recognition is alien to the Syrian air defense only for its aircraft. The Russian Ministry of Defense did not provide identification codes to Syrians. Thirdly, there was a setback from the Jews (attack from the Il 20 sector, attack of objects near Russian bases, warning less than a minute before the strike).
            1. AlexanderK
              AlexanderK 19 September 2018 13: 39
              -4
              Quote: audigamma
              Well, in the first place, the S-200 calculation might not have known about IL 20. Airborne reconnaissance is not conducted.


              He could not help knowing because it would mean that between Russia and Syria there is no elementary exchange of information, which is simply impossible.


              Quote: audigamma
              Secondly, its recognition is alien to the Syrian air defense only for its aircraft. The Russian Ministry of Defense did not provide identification codes to Syrians.


              No one's alien works for Russian weapons systems including Syrian ones that received weapons from Russia / USSR. This is confirmed by the Russian military.


              Quote: audigamma
              . Thirdly, there was a setback from the Jews (attack from the Il 20 sector, attack of objects near Russian bases, warning less than a minute before the strike).


              Hundreds of blows and not a single setup, but then decided to substitute? Yes, so stupid. Why, given the fairly good relations between Russia and Israel?

              An attack there never threatened Russian bases.

              Yes, and the Israeli military has already stated that there were no Israeli aircraft in the IL-20 sector at the time of the accident and are ready to provide data.

              A warning is a question, since it’s not said anywhere how long they warned before.

              But what Russian radars do not cover Israel? Can't see the movement of planes?
              1. audigamma
                audigamma 19 September 2018 13: 43
                +3
                Have you served in air defense?
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 19 September 2018 14: 06
                +6
                Quote: AlexanderK
                He could not help knowing because it would mean that between Russia and Syria there is no elementary exchange of information, which is simply impossible.

                It is also necessary to take into account the specifics of the S-200. If this system loses the designated target, then it will automatically re-target to the nearest LARGE target in EPR. And this was not taken into account in the presence of such a large target as the Il-20 in the affected area. Who is the culprit of such a "jamb" - you need to understand. But in any case, the Jewish command knew about this specificity of the S-200 and was not slow to take advantage of it, IMHO.
                1. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 19 September 2018 14: 55
                  -2
                  Probably the f-16 pilots were also scared and they took advantage of this. Perhaps the S-200 did not work at all on airplanes. Anything can be assumed. It will not return life
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 19 September 2018 15: 05
                    0
                    Quote: igorbrsv
                    Perhaps the S-200 did not work at all on airplanes.

                    And for whom could she still work? This is a SAM, and nothing more, as far as I know. request
                    1. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 19 September 2018 15: 08
                      0
                      When repelling the attack, the tomahawks participated in April. I thought I could use to intercept missiles
              3. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 19 September 2018 18: 03
                +2
                No one's alien works for Russian weapons systems including Syrian ones that received weapons from Russia / USSR. This is confirmed by the Russian military.

                yah?? be consistent - the names of the military. By my stupidity I believe this -

                The friend-or-foe identification system, which was equipped with the Il-20 VKS of Russia, shot down in the sky over Syria, could not prevent the tragedy, since the Syrian air defense forces do not have codes for it, said the deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Air Force in 1991- 2001, retired lieutenant general Alexander Ionov.

                “Indeed, the" friend or foe "system guarantees that a Russian plane will not be hit by a Russian missile. But the Syrians were shooting at the Il-20. No matter how developed allied relations are, we will never give the national radar identification system to anyone. This is one of the main state secrets, "Ionov said in an interview with the Zvezda weekly (c)


                A warning is a question, since it’s not said anywhere how long they warned before.

                Well, what can I say ... fool
                the data have already been given - at least an hour or two, sometimes in several days - the region and the time where they will "work" are stipulated.

                But what Russian radars do not cover Israel? Can't see the movement of planes?

                saw ... then what? nothing was said about the blow! there all the time someone flies, the question of striking. How long does it take to launch a rocket or drop a bomb? The F16 speed at such a height of 1,2 M is approximately 400 m / s, the C200 missiles are 1200. The ratio is 1: 3. The distance announced 35 km to the airfield. If you take the same distance to the Syrian air defense, then this distance the rocket will fly in 29 seconds, if F16 starts with it, it will fly 11,6 km! Simply put, it can start from IL20 3 seconds before a rocket hit and fly 1,2 km. This is to ensure that the Israelis could until the last sit in the IL area. Which, of course, is unlikely ... It was enough to wait for the rocket to reach the target and leave without problems ...
                1. faiver
                  faiver 19 September 2018 18: 15
                  +1
                  agree with you hi
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      5. Andrey K
        Andrey K 19 September 2018 16: 23
        +7
        Earth rest in peace, condolences to the family.
        In Syria, the debriefing began:
        ... All the fighters of the 44th air defense battalion of the Syrian army are arrested. Anti-aircraft gunners from this battalion shot down a Russian Il-20 aircraft on September 17.
        Just in case, the counterintelligence service sent the entire battalion to the cells in full force ...
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  3. vadimtt
    vadimtt 19 September 2018 12: 18
    +11
    I am sorry for the relatives of the victims!
    Someone lost the closest, and the country lost very rare specialists, and even with combat experience.
    I mourn doubly.
  4. BVS
    BVS 19 September 2018 12: 18
    +19
    ADDITION
    For example, the mother of one of the servicemen, Elena Aleshina, wrote on Facebook: "People, my son died on the Il-20, he was hit by a rocket. I don't even have the strength to cry, I scream." As a profile picture, the woman put a photo of the deceased.

    It is known that this is Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Alexandrovich Aleshin, the son of Major General Alexander Aleshin.
    In the comments, the military's mother, calling the incident "an absurd accident," wrote that he had a wife and two children. The body should be brought to Russia on Wednesday, September 19.

    "He did not go to kill other people's children, he is not a murderer, he is the kindest guy, on the plane he was an observer of the area," the woman writes.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 19 September 2018 14: 41
      +1
      We all told mothers many things and different, and yet war is war ...
      Sorry for all the dead guys ...
      1. BVS
        BVS 19 September 2018 14: 50
        +1
        Still 14 or 15?
        1. thinker
          thinker 19 September 2018 22: 56
          0
          The 15th dead - Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Alexandrovich Aleshin, son of Major General Alexander Aleshin.

          https://achtungpartisanen.ru/spisok-pogibshih-il-20/
  5. Altona
    Altona 19 September 2018 12: 19
    +13
    Death again took the best of us. Bright memory to them.
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 September 2018 12: 19
    +11
    "You flew under God, near Paradise itself! ..." Rest, Lord, those who perished! Condolences to the relatives of the victims!
  7. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 September 2018 12: 21
    +41
    I understand that my flag is now annoying for most Russians, but nonetheless I sincerely express my condolences to the families of the victims and all Russian citizens.
    1. faiver
      faiver 19 September 2018 12: 32
      +23
      those who think claims are not against the people of Israel, but against the state itself ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 September 2018 12: 34
      +24
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      +9
      I understand that my flag is now annoying for most Russians, but nonetheless I sincerely express my condolences to the families of the victims and all Russian citizens.

      Humanity Aron, has no flag ...
    3. Russia
      Russia 19 September 2018 13: 23
      +7
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      I understand that my flag is now annoying for most Russians, but nonetheless I sincerely express my condolences to the families of the victims and all Russian citizens.

      Aaron hi Please do not judge the whole of Russia, based on the experience of being on the VO site, this is deeply wrong. You are one of the most appropriate and tolerant of everything that happens, among your compatriots, on this resource. Therefore, it’s nice to talk with you and just read your comments. I wish you success!
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 September 2018 13: 43
      +10
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      I understand that my flag is now annoying for most Russians

      Yes, not irritation (soften accents), but outright hatred.
      1. Maz
        Maz 19 September 2018 15: 23
        +8
        Guys rest in peace. And to Israel: Thank you so much for the fact that we are now "having so much fun", and no apologies, excuses or other condolences will change this opinion. And yet, let them put me out for the bath, but this plane was not one of the simple ones, and had a direct
        Moscow submission, but they don’t forgive such a thing. Even if the president barked to stick to the official version. Everyone taught philosophy. Case - is the intersection of two or more laws in space and time. So the commander in chief of the Israeli Air Force may not fly to Moscow. Will not help.
    5. Breard
      Breard 19 September 2018 15: 48
      +2
      Hmm .... I think this is not about - "my flag is irritation" ... but rather about outright hatred! (judging by myself) but not to a person ...
      I have a very negative attitude to "Israel", VERY!
      But so far I have had two friends, we regularly communicate, although we live in different countries .. we don’t know each other, friends, and FRIENDS in childhood and university — Jews, they and their parents were friends in the USSR with me and my parents .... great people. (they do not live in Israel)
      As a moment ..... the grave of the mother of one of them, I look after the grave of my mother as well, and treat with great respect a very kind memory.
    6. ljoha_d
      ljoha_d 19 September 2018 18: 30
      +1
      Aron, I personally thank you for your condolences to the families of the victims. There’s not much like you here, as I’ll look at yesterday’s and yesterday’s correspondence.
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  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 19 September 2018 12: 34
    +8
    Kingdom of heaven! Who is the sin for their death? While on our leadership and not on the military. If the military had untied their hands, I don’t think that they had allowed such a thing, at least the answer would be visible.
  10. yehat
    yehat 19 September 2018 12: 34
    -21
    but no one is surprised that everyone died?
    really no one could be saved? Still, the plane is large, it is unlikely that the rocket vaporized the entire crew in a second, and there was enough height to catch a parachute.
    1. figwam
      figwam 19 September 2018 12: 40
      +6
      Quote: yehat
      but no one is surprised that everyone died?

      No, not surprising ...
    2. faiver
      faiver 19 September 2018 12: 42
      +5
      the missile is on the opposite course, the plane was going down, hardly anyone had time for something ..., in principle, it could tear off the wing immediately
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 September 2018 12: 57
      +15
      Quote: yehat
      but no one is surprised that everyone died?

      You look too many Hollywood action movies
    4. Nasrat
      Nasrat 19 September 2018 13: 28
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      but no one is surprised that everyone died?
      really no one could be saved? Still, the plane is large, it is unlikely that the rocket vaporized the entire crew in a second, and there was enough height to catch a parachute.

      What? ............
      What age is the one who gave such a comment?
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 September 2018 13: 45
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      but no one is surprised that everyone died?
      really no one could be saved? Still, the plane is large, it is unlikely that the rocket vaporized the entire crew in a second, and there was enough height to catch a parachute.

      The plane was on a landing course, the altitude is small, there are no catapults.
    6. vadimtt
      vadimtt 19 September 2018 14: 23
      +5
      Well, you should at least read the wiki -
      "
      The striking elements of the warhead are steel elements of a spherical shape, having an initial expansion speed in static of 1700 m / s.

      The diameter of the striking elements is 9,5 mm (21 thousand pieces) and 7,9 mm (16 thousand pieces). A total of 37 thousand pieces of elements.

      The mass of the warhead is 220 kg. The bursting mass of the explosive “TG-20/80” (20% TNT / 80% RDX) is 90 kg.
      "
      Well, what will happen if such a miracle smells from you 10-20 meters away? Even if you are behind a 5mm aluminum sheet?
    7. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 19 September 2018 15: 15
      0
      There wouldn’t be enough time for them to be saved
      1. yehat
        yehat 19 September 2018 15: 36
        +2
        the crew is dispersed over a small aircraft. There was a chance that when a swarm of fragments hit, not all died immediately.
        height 5 km, there is a simple formula H = VT + g * t * t / 2. In reality, the acceleration is less than g due to air resistance.
        but let it go. Suppose, at the time of the incident, the reduction rate was already 3 ms
        then 5000 = 3 * t + 9.8tt / 2 roughly about 30 seconds
        the reserve for the height of the jump for a parachute is approximately 400-500m, i.e. take another 5 seconds.
        as a result, there is a margin of 25 seconds. A small correction for air resistance - again about 30 seconds. put on a parachute and knock over. Not much, but there was a chance.
        Although I'm not sure that parachutes were generally at hand.
    8. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 19 September 2018 18: 13
      0
      Quote: yehat
      but no one is surprised that everyone died?
      really no one could be saved? Still, the plane is large, it is unlikely that the rocket vaporized the entire crew in a second, and there was enough height to catch a parachute.


      just read the characteristics of the aircraft and rockets ...

      The striking elements of the warhead are steel elements of a spherical shape, having an initial expansion speed in static of 1700 m / s.

      The diameter of the striking elements is 9,5 mm (21 thousand pieces) and 7,9 mm (16 thousand pieces). A total of 37 thousand pieces of elements.


      there was simply no one to escape ...
    9. Separ
      Separ 19 September 2018 19: 04
      0
      This is if the plane was shot from the DShK - you would probably have time to put on a parachute as you say, but here the rocket is a second, maybe the crew (the kingdom to all heavens) did not understand and did not feel ..
  11. Terminolol
    Terminolol 19 September 2018 12: 38
    +4
    Eternal memory to the guys! Condolences to the family! Mourn
  12. ROBIN-SON
    ROBIN-SON 19 September 2018 12: 52
    +18
    Tragedy guys. A fighter pilot dies, so he is in battle, knows that they can shoot down, fight or undermine himself, so as not to be captured, like R. Filippov. And here...…. It is also that our military board crashed with military musicians and Dr. Lisa. So here is either a systems failure or a pilot error. And the case of IL-20 .......
    I think it’s not the fault of the VKS command. The Jews in 1 (one !!!) minute warned flight regulatory officers about their sides in these echelons. What is a minute ...
    And this is done consciously. And no matter who it is. Either the operator or the hand of the State Department. This is the fault of Israel.
    The eternal memory of the fallen ... We can’t even take revenge.
    1. AlexanderK
      AlexanderK 19 September 2018 13: 21
      -19
      Israel does not often warn strongly in advance, as this could jeopardize the operation.


      1) hundreds of Israeli attacks on Syria and not a single setup has ever existed, and there is no sense in them either.
      2) not a single blow was ever directed against Russia
      3) Syrians, who do not know how to shoot properly and shoot cannons at sparrows
      (releasing dozens of missiles) hoping to shoot down, seeing a Russian plane on radar, why hit? Meanwhile, Syria has not had much success in recent years regarding attacks on Israeli aircraft. They would only shoot with hope, but what if they were lucky?

      Moreover, Israel said that the blow was when Israeli planes were in Israeli territory and were ready to provide data.

      Is Israel to blame?
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 19 September 2018 13: 42
        +6
        All Israel cannot be to blame ...
        There is power, including the country's defense minister ....
        Everything is done as they accepted, from around the corner and with the wrong hands ...
        Substituting an unarmed integrated reconnaissance aircraft (RL, optical. Radio. Radio engineering) il-20 M (type il-18 — read civil) as a missile is just a clearly planned crime against a military facility of the Russian Federation. It doesn’t even have electronic warfare
        It is visible on the screens of locators of all RTV facilities of neighboring countries. And, of course, it was accompanied as a target during all flights. And statistics were collected on its flights. Naturally, he knew everything
        The impunity of Israeli actions in Syria is the result of this tragedy
        More will be more ...
        The kingdom of heaven to the children who have gone into eternity Condolences to the near and dear
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 19 September 2018 16: 53
        +2
        Quote: AlexanderK
        Israel does not often warn strongly in advance, as this could jeopardize the operation.


        1) hundreds of Israeli attacks on Syria and not a single setup has ever existed, and there is no sense in them either.
        2) not a single blow was ever directed against Russia
        3) Syrians, who do not know how to shoot properly and shoot cannons at sparrows
        (releasing dozens of missiles) hoping to shoot down, seeing a Russian plane on radar, why hit? Meanwhile, Syria has not had much success in recent years regarding attacks on Israeli aircraft. They would only shoot with hope, but what if they were lucky?

        Moreover, Israel said that the blow was when Israeli planes were in Israeli territory and were ready to provide data.

        Is Israel to blame?

        all your three arguments more than overlap with what happened only once with the IL-20 and the tragic irreplaceable massive loss of personnel !! am am am here such a setup once crosses out everything !!! negative negative negative
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 19 September 2018 18: 24
        +1
        Moreover, Israel said that the blow was when Israeli planes were in Israeli territory and were ready to provide data.

        Is Israel to blame?


        enough nonsense to carry ... warned for a minute ?? Here you don’t even have to be a mathematician - the speed of the IL was about 600 km / h or 160 m / s, since it was landing even less. Rocket speed C200 - 1200m / s. In a minute, the IL could deviate from the course by 9,6 km, only a rocket would not give it that minute - it flew 35 km to the plane in just 30 seconds ...
      4. aquatic
        aquatic 19 September 2018 19: 57
        +2
        Is Israel to blame?

        This is a specially planned action, sabotage action. This is not a question of guilt or not guilt, it is actually a military conflict in such an indirect form in which we suffered losses. The same indirect clash was two days earlier in the Bek Valley when Israel attempted to attack Damascus airport. Israel is just silently silent about what was there, but ours never differed in verbosity either, and as if we were not aware of what was there, it was not us.
        The next day, Israeli UAVs flew over the entire bek valley, I don’t know for sure whether something was shot down there, but they say that not everyone flew to the home airfield. And I think there they are unlikely to fly more. In Latakia there was an answer.
        This is a war, an exchange of blows. Victory will be ours.
    2. yehat
      yehat 19 September 2018 14: 17
      +3
      the Israelis warned late - that’s true, but didn’t the air defense have time to detect the presence of the f-16 unit earlier?
      in my opinion, questions to what happened before the loss of the plane remain
    3. Breard
      Breard 19 September 2018 15: 33
      +3

      Hmm .... "We can't even take revenge." Moreover, the Israelis are used to killing, the Palestinians, the Syrians ... well, think now RUSSIANS!
      .... GDP has already decided everything ... as it resembles "Kursk", shot down by the Turks "Su" ... etc.
      1. LMN
        LMN 19 September 2018 17: 03
        -2
        Quote: Breard

        Hmm .... "We can't even take revenge." Moreover, the Israelis are used to killing, the Palestinians, the Syrians ... well, think now RUSSIANS!
        .... GDP has already decided everything ... as it resembles "Kursk", shot down by the Turks "Su" ... etc.

        Could you, misinform people, on another branch? There is no place, IMHO No.

        My condolences...
  13. sirota34
    sirota34 19 September 2018 12: 55
    +6
    Kingdom of Heaven is for the guys.
    Here are the scouts of partners flying near our borders here and there, unmanned and conventional, is it really impossible to land a couple of harsh, accidental and tragic? ... they dropped ours and without consequences most likely
  14. Yeraz
    Yeraz 19 September 2018 13: 04
    +11
    The tragedy of the situation is that there is no offense to the other military, but these 15 people were high-class specialists, the preparation of which requires a lot of time and money. For anyone there, many were experts in several languages, because they monitored a lot of things in the air, including negotiations perceptible.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 19 September 2018 14: 30
      +2
      Yes, the guys were actually pros, sorry .. If there were no wars, they would have given a lot of benefit to the people ...
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 19 September 2018 17: 36
        -1
        The economy would be raised
  15. artifact
    artifact 19 September 2018 13: 12
    +4
    eternal and bright memory. mourn the whole world.
  16. Walking
    Walking 19 September 2018 13: 20
    +6
    It’s a pity for the men and a pity for their family. My condolences.
  17. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 19 September 2018 13: 24
    +5
    Rest in peace
  18. savage1976
    savage1976 19 September 2018 13: 25
    +5
    Condolences to family and friends. They are the heroes of the people. Let the earth rest in peace. Sleep well.
  19. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 19 September 2018 13: 28
    +2
    Alas, the guys were added to HIS squadrons ... eternal memory!
  20. Serg65
    Serg65 19 September 2018 13: 30
    +6
    Earth to you rest in peace, condolences to relatives !!!!
  21. Glavmec
    Glavmec 19 September 2018 13: 32
    +4
    Everlasting memory!
  22. volot-voin
    volot-voin 19 September 2018 14: 09
    +5
    Bright memory. The best died, the color of the nation. Condolences to the family and friends.
  23. KURT330
    KURT330 19 September 2018 14: 27
    +4
    Sincere condolences to relatives and friends ..
  24. pvv113
    pvv113 19 September 2018 14: 43
    +6
    Eternal flight to you guys ...
    Relatives and friends - sincere condolences
  25. Mwg
    Mwg 19 September 2018 14: 44
    +4
    Kingdom of heaven. Earth rest in peace and eternal memory
    Condolences to relatives and friends ...
  26. NF68
    NF68 19 September 2018 14: 48
    +5
    May the earth rest in peace. Everlasting memory.
  27. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 19 September 2018 15: 07
    +3
    The Kingdom of heaven.
  28. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 19 September 2018 15: 18
    +3
    The main enemy of Russia is the state!
  29. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 19 September 2018 15: 26
    -2
    The ordinary Russian: "everything, you can't foresee" (even what "lies on the surface") ... Something is too much, there are already jambs in management, in Syria .... Something similar happened in the Falklands War, there also, it seems, the Argentine "Nimrod" was shot down, which flew without cover (such as far, "the British will not reach"). sad
  30. Old26
    Old26 19 September 2018 15: 31
    +2
    Lands rest in peace ...

    Quote: ROBIN-SON
    Tragedy guys. A fighter pilot dies, so he is in battle, knows that they can shoot down, fight or undermine himself, so as not to be captured, like R. Filippov. And here...…. It is also that our military board crashed with military musicians and Dr. Lisa. So here is either a systems failure or a pilot error. And the case of IL-20 .......
    I think it’s not the fault of the VKS command. The Jews in 1 (one !!!) minute warned flight regulatory officers about their sides in these echelons. What is a minute ...
    And this is done consciously. And no matter who it is. Either the operator or the hand of the State Department. This is the fault of Israel.
    The eternal memory of the fallen ... We can’t even take revenge.


    Honestly, I don’t really want to comment on this tragedy, but there is a persistent feeling. that our Ministry of Defense sometimes did not know what to grab at the first information and away we go.

    Look, what only in these two days after the tragedy did our MO and with their submission and the media did not say.
    • That the French frigate fired rockets (without specifying, firing were cruise missiles or anti-aircraft).
    • Then they started talking about when it all happened. According to some reports, communication with the IL was lost at 23.00, according to others - at 22.07. When is it in reality?
    • Now about the Israeli raid on the territory of Syria and the response from the Syrian air defense. It is clear that one minute before the raid - this is small, very small. But according to our Defense Ministry, the Israeli Air Force raid began at 22.00. So the information came at 21.59. Communication with the IL was lost at 22.07 (according to the updated data, and not that it was lost at 23.00). That is, there was a minimum EIGHT MINUTESto direct Il somewhere else
    • Now about the thesis that Israeli planes were hiding behind Ilom. If you believe the same our MO, then Il was at an altitude of about 5 km, and Israeli aircraft went behind the radar hiding at extremely low altitudes. Not on the same level with them, but with a vertical difference of several kilometers.
    • the diagram drawn by the Moscow Oblast about the Ila route is not entirely clear. Well, when starting from the air base, Il lay eastward and headed towards Idlib. But returning, instead of just entering the strip, he began to write out loops in the sky. He walked east of the air base, turned west 50 kilometers from it, went to sea and then lay heading west to approach the strip .... These evolutions are not understood
    • and the most important thing. What is worth all the talk about the fact that we have a complete relationship with the Syrian PVO. Didn't they know that our scout was in that area? What, the "friend or foe" identification system did not work? Or the Syrian missilemen simply fired into the white light, tk. 7 minutes before that there were already the first blows. Then where did they shoot?

    All this, all these "bloopers", incl. and the Syrian air defense in the end result led to the tragedy and death of 15 people ...
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 19 September 2018 15: 47
      +1
      Well, the maneuver of our fighters is understandable. The attack in 22 00 from a couple km altitude and in 22 01 a sharp decrease to several. hundred meters and go home. That is, in 22-07 (according to chronology, the moment of shooting down), f - ,,, were already at a distance of 100 km from Latakia.
  31. keeper03
    keeper03 19 September 2018 16: 16
    +4
    Oh, young professional guys! To live, to live !!! Condolences to parental grief !!! crying
    And for those who are afraid or deliberately did nothing to prevent the tragedy, I spit in their cowardly faces! No.
  32. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 19 September 2018 17: 02
    +3
    The kingdom of heaven is to our wars, our defenders!
    Condolences to the loved ones!
    Guys do not forget to commemorate our little brothers vodka vodka!
  33. Adimius38
    Adimius38 19 September 2018 19: 41
    +1
    Israeli agents look famously attacked all the social resources of Russia saying that it was not their fault and translating arrows
  34. tuts
    tuts 19 September 2018 21: 29
    +1
    Earth you rest in peace
    Condolences to family and friends
  35. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 23: 14
    +1
    The blessed memory of the fallen soldiers, condolences to relatives and friends.
  36. 100ik
    100ik 20 September 2018 14: 12
    0
    To understand that this is a well-planned and well-executed set-up of the Israeli Air Force read about Operation Rimon 20 of 1970. "In war, as in war" - there is one goal that justifies any act - VICTORY. The rest of the talk is for LUCKERS.
    How to answer? Krasheninnikovschina. We scare the hedgehog with a bare ass.