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The no-fly zone over Syria, or the "gut is thin"?

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In connection with the tragic incident off the coast of Syria, where a search operation is being carried out (along Il-20), the topic of creating a no-fly zone over Syria was again relevant. Politicians representing various currents, as well as individual high-ranking military men, propose to completely close the sky of the SAR for military flights aviation those countries that carry out an operation in Syria without inviting official Damascus.


The no-fly zone over Syria, or the "gut is thin"?


However, not all military experts support such proposals. The main argument in this case is that Russia may not have enough forces and means to completely close the airspace of Syria. In itself, this statement sounds very depressing, because if the Russian Armed Forces are currently unable to create a no-fly zone in a country like Syria (to put it mildly, not with the most impressive area), then a) is there enough air defense equipment to protect the air borders of Russia itself? ? and b) will the “partners” take advantage of this kind of gap in Syria with more confidence for them?

In this situation, an “average” option appears: to create flightless zones of a certain radius, at least around Russian military bases, with a warning to all countries sending their combat aircraft to Syria. The warning is simple: crossing the boundaries of the zone means an inevitable blow to the intruder aircraft. All within the framework of international rules. In this case, as an argument to use the facts of the tragedy with IL-20.

Critics, however, have enough of this option. In this case, the arguments of the opponents of the initiative are as follows: is Russia ready to shoot down, for example, an American aircraft, if it makes a provocation and enters the 100-200 m in a flight-free zone, organized by air defense calculations? The question is, in fact, relevant.

In this regard, another option was voiced: a no-fly zone exclusively for the Israeli Air Force, which recently struck around 200 in Syria. But here is a certain hitch. Representatives of the so-called American coalition — offhand, the Dutch or Canadian Air Forces, whose planes will be sent for “probing.”

In any case, over the answer after the situation with IL-20 think. And you need to think well, without fever. Not even so much on the “answer” as on the real actions to protect the Russian military in Syria. But it turns out that the Syrian military are ready to defend more than their own.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 19 September 2018 08: 12
    +49
    when declaring an "unmanned zone", you need to be ready to shoot everyone down. is our leadership ready for this? I don’t think there will be "last warnings" again.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 September 2018 08: 18
      +44
      The main argument in this case is that Russia may not have the strength and resources for complete closure Syrian airspace.

      There is money, no will. And what a complete closure there is ... Latakia cannot be closed from strikes.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 19 September 2018 08: 52
        +29
        What to expect next? I mean from our government. It is unfortunate that the lives of our military (and specialists of a very high level) are worthless ... they fulfill their duty, and they use their lives as a bargaining chip in political games ......
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 19 September 2018 09: 23
          +15
          Create a no-fly zone, or announce? Although it makes no difference, in any case, this will untie the hands of the Russian air defense and not with the 200, but the S400 will be involved. And I think so, our calculations will not forgive the Jews for their antics, Israel will not be very bombed ... It is necessary to create or declare, no difference ...
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 19 September 2018 09: 38
            -13
            I read the comments and am horrified at what "Hurray-patriotism of brains" leads to. Turn on the thought that our s400 can be there ??? Yes they will be destroyed by the first blow, and then ironed including our bases there.
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 19 September 2018 09: 48
              +7
              Quote: Imobile
              Turn on the thought that our c400 can there ??? Yes, they will be destroyed by the first blow, and then ironed including our bases there.

              Do you think the C400 complex is defenseless, albeit a very expensive toy? Then why is it needed at all and why do many countries buy our complexes?
            2. Vanek
              Vanek 19 September 2018 10: 04
              +6
              Quote: Imobile
              horrified why


              - And now we’ll listen to the head of the transport department.

              YOUR SUGGESTIONS!?
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 19 September 2018 11: 39
                +6
                Quote: Vanek
                Quote: Imobile
                horrified why


                - And now we’ll listen to the head of the transport department.

                YOUR SUGGESTIONS!?


                there is a continuation ... winked

                - It’s a pity that it was not possible to listen to the head of the transport department ...
                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 19 September 2018 15: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Yuyuka
                  there is a continuation.


                  hi
            3. NIKN
              NIKN 19 September 2018 10: 08
              +2
              Quote: Imobile
              Yes, they will be destroyed by the first blow, and then ironed including our bases there.


              Hide under a leaf of burdock and do not tremble, otherwise they will detect ...
              Has it rolled all the way huh? Well, turn on the skull, when creating a baseball complex, one complex will not cost, although you can think of it?
            4. Baribal
              Baribal 19 September 2018 10: 36
              -10
              Yes, this is not patriotism, or even cheers-patriotism, it is an ordinary thirst for blood, the disorder is so mental - there’s not enough economic war for them to give them a hot phase, and there would be something to fight for, but certainly not for the Arab-Persian-Jewish showdown. Syria helped, they tested new weapons, gained experience - it’s time to complete everything there and reel fishing rods, there are enough of their own worries.
              1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                ALEX_SHTURMAN 19 September 2018 12: 07
                +10
                Nobody wants blood, not we started it. And you have to take revenge for your own people! If you don’t, they will continue to kill our servicemen with impunity. What do you think this will lead to among the military, for example, many will simply refuse and that's it, why then do they get their lives? If you choose shame between war and shame, you get both war and shame!
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 21 September 2018 05: 40
                  0
                  Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  And for their need to take revenge!

                  Of course it is. Bomb in the trash that ZRDN which shot down IL-20. Although, why? Assad has already arrested them all, from the commander to the last, and they are already sticking soldering irons in one place, figuring out who, what, when, why, and how he did it. We can even shoot someone for wit.
            5. major147
              major147 19 September 2018 11: 17
              +2
              Quote: Imobile
              I read the comments and am horrified at what "Hurray-patriotism of brains" leads to. Turn on the thought that our s400 can be there ??? Yes they will be destroyed by the first blow, and then ironed including our bases there.

              Who!?
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 19 September 2018 13: 37
                -5
                Quote: major147
                Who!?

                Well, the United States, Israel and France are participating in the movement. This is counting only those who also have nuclear weapons, ahead of your question.
                By the way, from Khimki to Turkey about 50 km. Even barrel artillery will get out, not to mention the MLRS.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 19 September 2018 14: 34
                  +3
                  Well, the United States, Israel and France are participating in the movement. This is counting only those who also have nuclear weapons

                  Of all those named, Putin should have only the phone of the US president. As a last chance for both countries and the rest of the world (all kinds of Israel and France). And that’s it. Otherwise, you can give all the nuclear weapons to China. Let him even have the opportunity to speak with the United States on equal terms.
            6. Lena363
              Lena363 20 September 2018 06: 56
              +1
              In 1982, Israel for several hours gouged hundreds of planes and air defense systems of Syria, and Soviet instructors at that time in the bunkers only spat and cursed. And then there was a mighty USSR and the quality of the Syrian army was much higher!
              1. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 19: 53
                -1
                Lena is more truly Leva, then the future Israeli repatriates sat in the Moscow Region and the General Staff of the SA and all were handed over to Israel. They calculated operations there taking into account the plans and counteractions of the Syrians and smashed them dry .. There are still betrayals (citizens of the Russian Federation with Israeli passports), but not on such a scale ... There are also explanations about such concessions from the Russian Air Force to Israeli military operations in Syria ....
            7. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 20 September 2018 19: 47
              0
              Imobile, - it was necessary to immediately shoot down at least one Israeli plane during an attack on Syria in Syria, and there would be no further Israeli air raids on Syria and the allies of the Iranians and the Syrian SAA would not die, and the Russian Federation would not act as a traitor to the allies. ..And no war is necessary, an understandable warning in action, but the strategists of the Russian Federation pursue a double policy, which, as a rule, always ends in failure and a double loss ......
        2. free
          free 19 September 2018 10: 51
          +3
          Quote: Kent0001
          What to expect next? I mean from our government. It is unfortunate that the lives of our military (and specialists of a very high level) are worthless ... they fulfill their duty, and they use their lives as a bargaining chip in political games ......

          This is because the army is apolitical, has no class position and is non-partisan. Therefore, they use it as they please.
        3. mvg
          mvg 20 September 2018 21: 18
          -1
          . they fulfill their duty

          They do not fulfill a duty, they have come to earn money. Signed the corresponding contract. Work in the database zone. Understand the risks. All this is reflected on paper. And relatives also know about it. What is the problem?
          PS: Could get their 70 tr and fly over Russia. Plus apartment and perks.
      2. Logall
        Logall 19 September 2018 09: 24
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        There is money, no will.

        I'll leave it here ...
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 19 September 2018 09: 27
          -6
          How do Syrian journalists know * They’re sitting at our base or something. Fake next.
          1. Azim77
            Azim77 19 September 2018 10: 22
            +1
            It is possible that they say how they were ordered. There is an information war, this is such a variant of the Chinese warning, but more real, through the lips of Syrian journalists .. And it is possible that such a serious batch was there that day, but the parties do not want to get it out to the public yet. This is not a battle show, there really is a war going on.
        2. notingem
          notingem 19 September 2018 14: 08
          -2
          In the sea fell. And drowned
      3. kit88
        kit88 19 September 2018 09: 53
        +21
        Yesterday they said that the fault completely lies with Israel.
        Well, then what? After such a statement, the country that declared it is simply obliged to call the perpetrator to justice. In the event of loss of life and the destruction of a military aircraft, this definitely should be a military operation against the culprit.
        And what do we have now? Indistinct evening speech of the Supreme. Again "tomatoes"?
        Yes, soon the whole world will laugh at us, and the East, as you know, is a delicate matter, it has given slack, and that’s all, they will wipe their feet on you.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 19 September 2018 10: 06
          0
          Quote: kit88
          East, as you know, a delicate matter


          Where it is thin, there it breaks *
        2. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 19 September 2018 13: 39
          0
          Quote: kit88
          Yesterday they said that the fault completely lies with Israel.

          Passed back already.
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 19 September 2018 14: 57
          +1
          Quote: kit88
          Yesterday they said that the fault completely lies with Israel.
          Well, then what? After such a statement, the country that declared it is simply obliged to call the perpetrator to justice. In the event of loss of life and the destruction of a military aircraft, this definitely should be a military operation against the culprit.
          And what do we have now? Indistinct evening speech of the Supreme. Again "tomatoes"?
          Yes, soon the whole world will laugh at us, and the East, as you know, is a delicate matter, it has given slack, and that’s all, they will wipe their feet on you.

          So after the spring events, as expected, they laugh in the face and wipe their feet. And there are more and more doubts that the promoted S-300 and S-400 can really do anything, there is no need to talk about "Armor", they did not show themselves in the "Military Acceptance" program in the best way.
      4. t-4
        t-4 19 September 2018 10: 19
        +3
        Well, if the intestine is thin, then pass through the tenth hands to your barmels MANPADS of incomprehensible production - and let these F-16s be extinguished on take-off.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 19 September 2018 11: 51
          +5
          Quote: t-4
          Well, if the intestine is thin, then pass through the tenth hands to your barmels MANPADS of incomprehensible production - and let these F-16s be extinguished on take-off.


          too small and one-time No. maybe it's time to give Iran carte blanche and stop holding it back? And on the contrary - to provide an opportunity to "deal" with the offenders? But you never know other "indirect" actions? It is necessary to learn from the "partners" to create problems for others with the hands of others.
        2. Grits
          Grits 19 September 2018 12: 05
          +5
          Well, if the intestine is thin, then pass through the tenth hands to your barmels MANPADS of incomprehensible production - and let these F-16s be extinguished on take-off.
          That's right. I would love to flood Hezbollah and even Hamas with modern MANPADS. They may object to me, they say, they can bring down a civilian liner. Sorry, it’s not a shotgun, a man is shooting. So here - to make big eyes, as Jews always do - we have nothing to do with it! Yes, even if I bring myself down - even for the better. Let them sit on their islet among the Arabs and are afraid to approach the airport close, not like flying somewhere. You must pay for meanness.
      5. free
        free 19 September 2018 10: 47
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        The main argument in this case is that Russia may not have the strength and resources for complete closure Syrian airspace.

        There is money, no will. And what a complete closure there is ... Latakia cannot be closed from strikes.

        But can they go against the owners. No, no, and again no.
        1. VB
          VB 19 September 2018 12: 13
          +8
          If you answer, then the money of Putin and his "successful businessmen" will be taken away. Not their children and husbands are killed and okay. They will squeak something to divert the eyes and calm down the 140-millionth cattle, the women and hell with them will otryut, and the money will remain. Glory to the commander in chief! Russian women are still giving birth. Potemkin Georg replied that he would not have enough gold to pay for Russian blood. This is ... not so.
      6. kapitan92
        kapitan92 19 September 2018 11: 11
        +9
        Quote: Stas157
        There is money, no will.


        film "I want to jail".
        Only full independence of the state, makes it possible to act in this way
        and our rulers and stars, property, accounts, kids, and sometimes business abroad!
      7. Semurg
        Semurg 19 September 2018 11: 43
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        The main argument in this case is that Russia may not have the strength and resources for complete closure Syrian airspace.

        There is money, no will. And what a complete closure there is ... Latakia cannot be closed from strikes.

        But it was the allies who shot down the IL-20, and the other allies, closer to the Russian base, organized their warehouses in the hope of an umbrella of the Russian air defense, and the partners gouged these warehouses in spite of the umbrella. And some partners threaten to gouge other allies of the Russian Federation in the event of the bombing of Idlib. And another partner in Idlib is creating its own "Syrian army and administration." In general, the devil will break his legs in today's Syria.
      8. yehat
        yehat 19 September 2018 11: 52
        +2
        I want to draw attention to the fact that without an AWACS aircraft hanging near the borders of Israel (or its counterpart like Mig-31), it is impossible to effectively intercept aircraft attacks from there - such a terrain. Therefore, deaf defense in the confrontation in the air is completely losing for Syria. And it doesn’t matter, 1, 10 or 9999 air defense batteries are worth it - just such a relief. And the defense is complicated due to the fact that there are few natural shelters. Therefore, do not breed demagoguery about the defense of Latakia.
      9. zenion
        zenion 20 September 2018 17: 02
        0
        What Stalin was not dogmatic. Acting with modern plans, it is a pity he could not see the future, it was necessary to lure the Nazis beyond the Urals, and then blow up the Ural mountains that they could not return to the Reich. Let them in Siberia eat midges and fierce animals.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 19 September 2018 08: 21
      0
      hi
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      again "last warnings" will be.

      We will not rush things and see what decision they will make. We hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
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      2. A good one
        A good one 19 September 2018 08: 48
        +7
        hi The basket with grievances is already full, it is time to distribute them in the opposite direction.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 19 September 2018 08: 51
          +10
          hi I completely agree . Enough to allow yourself to wipe your feet. I hope that not only we understand this.
          1. StVahmistr
            StVahmistr 19 September 2018 19: 46
            0
            Enough to allow yourself to wipe your feet. I hope that not only we understand this.
            We all understand, but upstairs like it. It seems like a massage ...
      3. 1 Navigator
        1 Navigator 19 September 2018 09: 06
        +16
        With the Su-24 already seen. All the tales tell. Our song is good, start from the beginning.
    3. Faceless
      Faceless 19 September 2018 09: 23
      +2
      What is the no-fly zone over Syria? Do you understand the consequences of this step? This means driving ourselves into a corner: if it is broken, what shall we do? Do not beat - we lose prestige. Sobem - casus belli.

      Good. Announced. Shot down. What's next? - worked for those who shot down. What's next? -Who already fight with Russia directly? With Israel? With a coalition? With turkey? With France? From the USA?

      What does the width of the intestine have to do with it? Here about poverty of mind to speak at a time when, having many of the most varied options, the most stupid, straightforward and dangerous for Russia itself is taken. It is surprising that there are seriously masons who are sure that in a state of war Russia will apparently be more comfortable. War is mobilization, hyperinflation, a shortage of goods, including essential necessities, a collapse for the majority of business and investments, a transfer of the economy to military tracks, naturally to the detriment of everything else - in no other way. But stupid are fools who, for the sake of hatred, are ready for a week's joy of the odious decision to put above all that is called.

      The events that occurred after the plane shot down by the Turks clearly showed that even without any military operations it is possible to inflict significant damage that does not meet the interests of the counterparty to such an extent that emotions and feelings fade into the background before obvious losses.

      Israel is not Turkey, but this does not mean that there cannot be an adequate and painful response sensitive to its economy.

      The destruction of the Israeli military unit will only unite the Jews. Long-term economic disadvantages will divide them. Damage to their business will split. And this will be more sensitive for Israel as a whole and for their leadership than the loss of even a few dozen military units in a short time.

      Do they have few losses in Syria anyway? - Israel simply will never recognize them. They always have "no losses", unless the downed fighter plane crashes on the highway at all.

      Remember Ukraine. In the long run, how much money she lost. from delays associated with the ongoing inspections of ships in the Sea of ​​Azov? In total, this is several orders of magnitude more losses from what the owners of "Mechanics Pogodin" and "Nord" suffered. The government of Ukraine, however, is a special case: they do not care about the losses of their country + they are unable to negotiate. But there is a business for those who send ships to these ports, especially if there are domestic ports that are reasonable and more attractive under such circumstances. This is also an illustrative example.

      The conclusions are simple: to abandon the nonsense of anti-Russian-minded provocateurs, or simply fools who do not see any other way but to "break through the knee", demanding an immediate military response, and turn on the head.
      1. Azim77
        Azim77 19 September 2018 10: 35
        +1
        Kedmi recently said that it was stupid for Israel to get into such a situation. In this he is right, it is unusual for Israel to substitute and pass trump cards in this way. But the reason for this may be the tension of the situation, a game of nerves, before the decisive battle for Idlib. And the successes of the Russian Federation. In this regard, it was a clear provocation, in order to bring the situation out of the control of the Russian Federation and the SAA, and force them to make mistakes that would allow the coalition to seize the initiative. This is probably due to the statements of the GDP, which did not fall into the trap.
      2. KOCMOC
        KOCMOC 19 September 2018 10: 36
        -1
        Quote: Faceless
        ... The conclusions are simple: to abandon the nonsense of anti-Russian-minded provocateurs, or simply fools who see no other way than "to break through the knee", demanding an immediate military response, and turn on the head.

        I support, I absolutely agree with everything. good almost the only reasonable comment! And as for the headless part, it’s emotional, well, they dislike Putin, pathologically, their crazy ideas grow from here, but not for the fact that it’s really necessary, that’s right, no, they just have different tasks, the main thing for them is to oppose themselves and to prove the incorrectness of the Kremlin’s actions, cowardice, and therefore the unworthiness of finding the gdp at the helm. All in all, had their chosen one been at the helm, the requirements would have been completely different, had they consciously changed the sofa for a trench?
      3. gig334
        gig334 19 September 2018 11: 06
        +10
        Quote: Faceless
        What is the no-fly zone over Syria? Do you understand the consequences of this step? This means driving ourselves into a corner: if it is broken, what shall we do? Do not beat - we lose prestige. Sobem - casus belli. .

        We have already lost the prestige, and not the otvetka of Russia, it only aggravated the situation, just because we lost prestige. Pandora's box was opened when they began to watch how the Donbas was being bombed, when our Su-24 was shot down, when our Syrian allies were fired at with tomahawks from all cracks. The Kremlin, except for concern about all this, and did nothing to sanction tomatoes. As a result, what happened, the audacity of the Western coalition began to go off scale, which includes the United States, NATO countries, Israel. Now they are so morose that they enter the light zone of responsibility of our air defense 35 (km from our base) and strike at the Syrians, hiding behind our aircraft. In the end, we got what we got. And now I say bluntly, if the Kremlin defended Donbass, answered for the Su-24 and made a no-fly zone in Syria, there would be nothing but the western stench and the sanctions that we get from them without it. Remember what the US responded to the Turkish sultan when the SU-24 was shot down? the answer was "deal with Russia yourself." Why am I writing all this, that it was not the Kremlin's answer for all this, just opened the Pandora's box, the Americans and their entire coalition began to become even more impudent, began to cross the red line. Naturally, all this greatly increases the chances of a direct clash between Russia and the United States. Simply put, the Americans, after all this, began to believe that they could win this war, and we only strengthened their faith with our concessions. And if we don't answer now, it will only get worse, the situation will only escalate, not defuse.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 19 September 2018 11: 45
          +6
          Quote: gig334
          Quote: Faceless
          What is the no-fly zone over Syria? Do you understand the consequences of this step? This means driving ourselves into a corner: if it is broken, what shall we do? Do not beat - we lose prestige. Sobem - casus belli. .

          We have already lost the prestige, and not the otvetka of Russia, it only aggravated the situation, just because we lost prestige. Pandora's box was opened when they began to watch how the Donbas was being bombed, when our Su-24 was shot down, when our Syrian allies were fired at with tomahawks from all cracks. The Kremlin, except for concern about all this, and did nothing to sanction tomatoes. As a result, what happened, the audacity of the Western coalition began to go off scale, which includes the United States, NATO countries, Israel. Now they are so morose that they enter the light zone of responsibility of our air defense 35 (km from our base) and strike at the Syrians, hiding behind our aircraft. In the end, we got what we got. And now I say bluntly, if the Kremlin defended Donbass, answered for the Su-24 and made a no-fly zone in Syria, there would be nothing but the western stench and the sanctions that we get from them without it. Remember what the US responded to the Turkish sultan when the SU-24 was shot down? the answer was "deal with Russia yourself." Why am I writing all this, that it was not the Kremlin's answer for all this, just opened the Pandora's box, the Americans and their entire coalition began to become even more impudent, began to cross the red line. Naturally, all this greatly increases the chances of a direct clash between Russia and the United States. Simply put, the Americans, after all this, began to believe that they could win this war, and we only strengthened their faith with our concessions. And if we don't answer now, it will only get worse, the situation will only escalate, not defuse.

          I agree that Putin's brave from Ligovka "if a fight cannot be avoided, hit it first" smoothly turned into avoiding a fight in any way, albeit by groveling. How it ends at Ligovka) everyone knows.
          1. Faceless
            Faceless 19 September 2018 12: 27
            +1
            Then what are we doing in Syria?
        2. Faceless
          Faceless 19 September 2018 12: 14
          0
          Dear passer-by, judging by your comment, you do not have information about the situation in the Donbas or about the situation with the downed Su-24M.

          I will be brief: despite all the groans from the series "Putin - send troops", if we did not help Donbas, the LPR and DPR would have ended 4 years ago, rolled up by ATO tanks that would have stood on our border. Was it possible to help better and more - yes it was possible. Whether the Russian Federation needs it (help is at the expense of you and me) is a debatable and multifaceted question.

          Regarding the lack of a response from Turkey. I agree, we did not start a nuclear war, but if almost a year of confrontation passed you with heavy losses of the Turkish economy in the sector of recreational resources, light industry, agriculture ... Is this not an answer? As a result, they apologized and offered compensation to the family (the pilot’s family, however, refused it).

          And note: not a single person died during this otvetka from our side.

          If you consider these actions ineffective, although the numbers indicate the opposite - your right.

          Military response means surrendering to provocation. And they only need that. Before screaming about the hostilities with a saber, estimate our potential losses in people’s equipment, and then ask the question: for what? Were they really necessary and there was no other way? Have we really won at least economically, having paid with our lives?

          You won’t believe it, but both Israel and America also have something to shoot down our planes with and how to strike at our bases. And before discussing the military response, it would be nice to estimate the response.

          Although, if except for starting a war, nothing more than thoughts is enough to discuss is very difficult.
          1. KOCMOC
            KOCMOC 19 September 2018 14: 48
            +2
            Quote: Faceless
            Military response means surrendering to provocation.

            ... I’ll add, moreover, this may be a provocation of a higher order, the United States is pushing its allies into a confrontation with Russia, in order to weaken, while remaining on the side ...
          2. gig334
            gig334 19 September 2018 20: 04
            +3
            Quote: Faceless
            Military response means surrendering to provocation. And they only need that. Before screaming about the hostilities with a saber, estimate our potential losses in people’s equipment, and then ask the question: for what? Were they really necessary and there was no other way? Have we really won at least economically, having paid with our lives?


            I wrote what would be the loss, it is the stink of the West and sanctions, no more. As for us, the United States wants to push. Who to bump with yourself? After all, it’s not Turkey that has already hit Tomahawks in Syria, according to our allies, but the United States. I wrote to you about the consequences. wait for more provocations. As for the Donbass, in what century do you live? now it’s not 41 years old, the army doesn’t have to be entered anywhere; in the 21st century, in local wars, enemy firing points are suppressed by cruise missiles. Everything, the issue is resolved. Look at Israel as it defends its interests, not with snot and concern, but with weapons.
            1. Lena363
              Lena363 20 September 2018 06: 59
              0
              Stupidity Wars are won only on earth.
      4. solzh
        solzh 19 September 2018 11: 10
        +7
        Quote: Faceless
        It is surprising that there are seriously masons who are sure that in a state of war Russia will apparently be more comfortable. War is mobilization, hyperinflation, a shortage of goods, including essential necessities, a collapse for the majority of business and investments, a transfer of the economy to military tracks, naturally to the detriment of everything else - in no other way.

        Or maybe we should immediately abandon Russia, abandon our relatives? Why do we need a country, why do we need relatives, the main thing is that there is no war ... Let us be killed, let our citizens be seized abroad on far-fetched charges, the main thing is that there would be no war ... Let's give the Kuriles to Japan, the Far East to China, Yakutia we’ll give the USA, we’ll give the Urals to someone else, and we will be happy, there won’t be any war, and we will live well right away, the sanctions will be lifted ... So what? Or maybe it's time for us to put all the militant Russophobes in place. Maybe we should show everyone that we don’t have to touch us if you touch you badly.
        1. Faceless
          Faceless 19 September 2018 12: 27
          -2
          Dear Sergey, from a variety of options, you choose the most painful, expensive and simple. The one that lies on the surface and the one that our enemies expect from us. At the same time, as an alternative, that is, if it does not succumb to provocation, you interfere in one heap all the possible pro-mood feelings. You deliberately exaggerate and hypertrophy the negative consequences as an alternative to one and far from the best scenario, trying to justify its necessity.

          I understand that if nothing else comes to my mind besides a military answer, the expediency of such an answer has to be justified by any means, even bringing the arguments to the point of absurdity and interfering all the problems in one boiler. otherwise what does the Kuril Islands, the Urals and Syria have to do with it?

          The most offensive is that many think so narrowly. A military response always exists, but this is the last, last resort measure. Any war must somehow end. and after its end, all the problems of peacetime, as a rule, remain unsolved, but only with more acuteness are on the agenda. But few people think about it.

          What will happen as a result of the war? Does someone seriously believe that Israel or Turkey or the United States will be wiped off the face of the Nazi Reich? And if they don’t, then the war will need to be somehow stopped. On certain conditions. But in any situation of the Russian Federation, this cannot be any better.

          I do not urge to abandon the army or prohibit the use of weapons. That's just the threat is always worse than the execution of this threat, and on the issue of relations with Israel there are a bunch of other painful levers that can be pulled, and this will be much more effective than a military confrontation.
          1. KOCMOC
            KOCMOC 19 September 2018 15: 02
            0
            Quote: Faceless
            The only threat is always worse than the execution of this threat.

            good yes ... this is key and not only in politics, but most, unfortunately, or maybe fortunately), do not understand this ...
      5. yehat
        yehat 19 September 2018 12: 02
        +1
        What is the no-fly zone over Syria?


        it is worth reminding all fans to bomb that Syria is an independent state, the violation of the borders of which is protected by a whole bunch of international laws, including the right to self-defense.
        Therefore, any aircraft, especially a military one, that invades the legal borders of Syria without permission, is in the full control of the Syrian authorities - they can shoot it down whenever and how they want, this is their sovereign right. They can rent foreign specialists to enforce the sentence.

        But with Israel, the situation is different - its aviation strikes with unexpected injections and immediately flees into neutral waters or into its territory. Therefore, the issue should be addressed at the level of prosecution of violators - what can be done.

        For example, Israel can be recognized as a terrorist state with corresponding consequences. But in spite of it, it is necessary to somehow solve the issue of officially stopping the supply of weapons to terrorists attacking Israeli territory. You can’t complain if you’re shitting yourself out of silence.
      6. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 19 September 2018 14: 26
        +1
        in your opinion - hollow our calmly, we will take revenge on carrots)))
    4. Ros 56
      Ros 56 19 September 2018 12: 44
      +1
      Dear, but here you don’t need to think, just ask the rodents if you liked the ties to taste or how. Our people think that it’s time, someone will also have to chew or suck something. Well, no need to wave a saber in the absence of necessary information.
    5. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 19 September 2018 13: 44
      +1
      Everything is simple here. Airspace can be closed in the same way as during missile firing exercises. An international NOTAM type notification about the closure of airspace for all aircraft, including the military, indicating coordinates with a warning of missile firing at air targets and indicating levels from 0 to 15 thousand. Notams notify events that do not ensure flight safety.
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 19 September 2018 08: 13
    +57
    Jews, like Turks, will not get off with tomatoes. For such meanness, we will extend a gas pipeline to them and build a nuclear power plant.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 September 2018 08: 48
      +9
      Quote: Pereira
      +19
      Jews, like Turks, will not get off with tomatoes. For such meanness, we will extend a gas pipeline to them and build a nuclear power plant.

      3 for each! And Qatar beloved, too, on an interest-free loan!
    2. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 19 September 2018 09: 07
      -2
      From the beginning, extend to Smolensk villages. There people still have earthen floors.
    3. syndicalist
      syndicalist 19 September 2018 09: 49
      -2
      Quote: Pereira
      Jews, like Turks, will not get off with tomatoes

      Apparently, I missed something. What happened to Turkey? Because, as far as I know, nothing happened with tomatoes
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 19 September 2018 11: 03
        0
        So I wrote, the Turks escaped with a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant.
    4. Grits
      Grits 19 September 2018 12: 25
      +1
      Jews, like Turks, will not get off with tomatoes. For such meanness, we will extend a gas pipeline to them and build a nuclear power plant.
      And sell the S-400. True, the Jews will only burn over it and show the audience for fun
  3. anjey
    anjey 19 September 2018 08: 13
    +27
    If Russia is not ready to bring down American and Israeli planes, then its world politics is worthless ... who, if not Russia, will restore order in the world and restore the parity of military and political balance ...
    1. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 19 September 2018 09: 08
      -6
      Let them put things in order from the beginning, and then at the international level.
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    2. Pivot
      Pivot 19 September 2018 09: 38
      0
      Citizens, what were you talking about when our planes flew into Israeli territory? Nobody knocked us down, they immediately got in touch, what are you going to shoot down, this is a tragic accident, let the earth be lost to the dead. Israel’s fault that they did not warn, the Syrians shot down our plane, did they know that this was our plane or not? This question is already for our military department, it’s one thing to shoot off with shells on missiles, another on carriers is more serious than that and with the risk of shooting down our plane.
  4. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 19 September 2018 08: 13
    +6
    All the fuss of politicians and officials that began reminds me of a fable about a swan, a crab and a pike. Meanwhile, time does not wait, it was necessary to think before ...
  5. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 19 September 2018 08: 14
    +3
    It would be better to be interested in what to do if a launch is made from the territory of another state? Stupidly shoot down missiles or destroy aircraft?
  6. K-612-O
    K-612-O 19 September 2018 08: 16
    -2
    The article, unfortunately, is about nothing. I think the General Staff will figure it out, there are still people smarter than modern "journalists".
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 19 September 2018 08: 19
      +23
      GSH already figured out. He swore a lot.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 September 2018 08: 31
        +8
        K-612-O:
        The article, unfortunately, is about nothing. I think the General Staff will figure it out, there are still people smarter than modern "journalists".

        Maybe she’ll figure it out ...
        But, obey, all the same, the political line.
        But Shoigu concluded, officials in the Moscow Region voiced, and Putin corrected them.
        Now they will also correct the facts for political tasks ...
        Chechnya recalls what was going on there before the start of the first company, during the war, the interwar period, the second company and subsequent events. And there the betrayal of politicians and pseudo-elites was at the highest level, much was tailored to political tasks, and people were consumables in the hands of the authorities.
        Now, however, it has become much more expensive for those in power.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 19 September 2018 12: 01
          -1
          Quote: Pax tecum
          But Shoigu concluded, officials in the Moscow Region voiced, and Putin corrected them.

          Lies.
          Listen what's on actually said Putin.
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 08: 20
      +1
      Not. You're not right. The whole color of military thought is on IN !!! Those who did not get here unfortunately went to the General Staff.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 19 September 2018 08: 27
        +17
        About color - to the very point. GS has no result, VO has no result. And if the result is the same, then what is the difference between the two groups of experts? I consider the rotation of personnel to be quite acceptable.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 08: 33
          +5
          What are you?))) To remind you what Syria was like before our intervention, or see for yourself?
          1. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 19 September 2018 08: 42
            -1
            Well, if the whole country runs from war across Europe and the whole country, then it’s understandable how events will unfold in Syria. The lousy thing is that our advisers have been there since ancient times, but they did not teach how to protect their homeland throughout the country.
          2. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 19 September 2018 08: 48
            -1
            And what was Ukraine like before the Crimea !? What is Syria before Russian intervention? Syria before the war, or Syria during the war? Before the war, Syria lived well. Why did Russia allow the bombing of Syria? What did Putin say about Syria in a straight line? Assad is not our friend, but so! Why then did he suddenly become a friend?
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 08: 53
              0
              You are at a pace before the WWII. I am talking about the work of the General Staff. When ours landed there, essentially only the capital remained from the country. What is the current situation? Before the war? Let’s raise the topic again, how did Igil appear there? Where did it all come from? What does it mean to allow the bombing? On what basis could we stop them? After several years, it’s easy to blame everyone for their mistakes, all the while belittling achievements
            2. 1 Navigator
              1 Navigator 19 September 2018 09: 15
              +1
              Because through it the pipeline will not stretch to Turkey, but from Turkey to Europe. And Europe will continue to buy Russian gas. And the Saudis will think where to put their own. And the loot as flowed and will flow into the fed prekrytnikov.
          3. Pereira
            Pereira 19 September 2018 11: 06
            +3
            What are you?))) To remind you what Syria was like before our intervention, or see for yourself?


            What has changed fundamentally? Has the world come? Is the country restored? Syria controls its own oil again? Isn't Israel bombing her? And what's the use of that card?
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 19 September 2018 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Not. You're not right. The whole color of military thought is on IN !!! Those who did not get here unfortunately went to the General Staff.

        good
    3. Breard
      Breard 19 September 2018 08: 43
      -1
      It is in our General Staff that it is necessary to shoot everyone who allowed the passage of our aircraft in the war zone ... Israeli and French freaks ... bombing the Syrians on their own land!
      1. VVK_VDB
        VVK_VDB 19 September 2018 17: 59
        0
        I don't know whether to start shooting with them. In March, the chief of the General Staff announced that everything that poses a threat would go astray. In April, they "checked". - the carriers do not get lost, they keep on going. Who forbade the military to carry out their intention?
    4. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 19 September 2018 13: 47
      0
      Quote: K-612-O
      GS, I think I’ll figure it out, but people there are smarter
      In the General Staff, people are selected not by their minds, but by career zeal, that’s it.
  7. Vita vko
    Vita vko 19 September 2018 08: 18
    +17
    The presence of a hotline to prevent accidents in the air did not pay off. Israel has clearly planned for a long time this provocation and the closure of Syrian airspace is the only acceptable way out of the situation. Naturally, the closure will occur when the Syrian army receives a sufficient quantity of S-300 air defense systems in exchange for obsolete systems. The main thing is that Israeli leaders would not be able to bribe Putin's entourage in the short term with the long-term goals of discrediting his domestic policies.
    1. Fkjydjckfrgh
      Fkjydjckfrgh 19 September 2018 08: 36
      +6
      The main thing is that Israeli leaders would not be able to bribe in a short time Putin's environment
      "The king is made by the retinue" Personally, Putin has repeatedly stated that he is satisfied with the work of this "entourage"
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 19 September 2018 11: 07
        +3
        They are bought and overbought several times.
      2. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 19 September 2018 11: 44
        0
        Why buy an environment if the "guarantor of violation" is bought? Environment appropriate
    2. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 19 September 2018 09: 00
      +3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      Naturally, the closure will occur when the Syrian army receives a sufficient quantity of S-300 air defense systems in exchange for obsolete systems.

      And are our air defense systems sufficiently equipped with the S-300 / S-400 to rush to equip a country that, by and large, can provide nothing (except the territory of the bases) for Russia?
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 19 September 2018 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Corsair0304
        And our air defense is sufficiently equipped with S-300

        As far as I know, almost all S-300s have been withdrawn from service or are being replaced. There are about 50 sets of such air defense systems removed from service in the Moscow Air Defense District. In total, there are so many of them on conservation that it will close all of Syria 10 times.
        For example, in Kazakhstan and Belarus there were is free about 10 S300PS complexes were transferred.
  8. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 19 September 2018 08: 19
    +17
    And why is Russia in Syria constantly in the role of catching up? Why are decisions made only after incidents? We don’t have analysts able to predict situations? Or are there all the majors who believe that they came there to cut the score on the lung?
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      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 September 2018 08: 49
        +5
        I am Russian:
        Because Putin is an extremely indecisive person ...

        Perhaps, but ...
        A country is never ruled by one person.
        Want to know who really holds the levers of power? Oh, look at the composition of the Security Council. This body that makes important political and state decisions is the "collective Putin".
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 19 September 2018 09: 33
          -1
          But still, Putin signs the documents. But he will not sign what the majority in the Security Council decided, if he is against? Most likely, the Security Council advisory body, no more. Unfortunately...
        2. syndicalist
          syndicalist 19 September 2018 09: 57
          -2
          And has anyone ever seen a movie where in the Security Council someone objected to Putin? Those on which he bites everyone in the tail and mane, more than enough. Purely decorative organ
      2. udincev
        udincev 19 September 2018 08: 53
        0
        Quote: I'm Russian
        Because Putin is an extremely indecisive person. Always plays number two. Always.
        Non-conjuncturally venture to disagree. Justice does not allow.
  9. AlexanderK
    AlexanderK 19 September 2018 08: 19
    +4
    . And you need to think well, without fever


    That is correct.
    Tidy up the Syrian military, so as not to bring down allies.

    Now Russia and Syria are trying to save face, especially against the background that Israel promised to provide information showing that the Israeli plane was already in Israel when the plane was shot down Israel has nothing to fear - that’s why Netanyahu promised to provide a detailed report on Israeli aircraft’s actions Syrian territory, which will soon be brought to Moscow by the Israeli Air Force commander.

    Putin himself sits in two chairs - on the one hand he admits that the Syrians shot down that this is a tragic coincidence and on the other they are trying to blame everything on Israel because it is difficult to explain to the population who are raising their retirement age, VAT, utilities, gasoline, that an ally, in which hundreds of billions of rubles thumped - he shot down a Russian plane by its own stupidity and led to the death of the military.

    Therefore, they are looking for the guilty and found, through all channels they broadcast about bad Jews.

    Nothing Russia will cover it-this is so obvious. Israel both struck and will strike.
  10. Brigadier
    Brigadier 19 September 2018 08: 21
    +26
    We are waiting for "the last, 200th warning about the inadmissibility of such a thing" from Putin!
    He is only capable of this. Warn ... Warn ... Warn ...
    To do something more, his gut is thin, because if he gives an order to our air defense to shoot down the insolent scum that kills our guys, then the West can be offended and confiscate all THEIR bourgeois money acquired by overwork ...
    Therefore, Putin will do only one thing - Warn ... Warn ...
    After all, in Russia he is not afraid to make "reforms" to "his" people, but in the West - no, no ...
    There is a good proverb "He is a good fellow against the sheep, and against the good fellow - the sheep himself" ...
    That’s all said ...
    1. AlexanderK
      AlexanderK 19 September 2018 08: 30
      -4
      Quote: Brigadier
      after all, if he gives an order to our air defense to shoot down the insolent scum that kills our guys


      That will have to hit the Syrians ..
    2. Angina
      Angina 19 September 2018 11: 04
      +2
      There is an old anecdote about how a man got a job in a fire department: "Everything would be fine, but like a fire - at least quit!" This I mean that sometimes it seems that the supreme also quit a long time ago, like our main headquarters, like many others. All their lives, the military only consumes, assuring, "if that ..." And so, in the language of an anecdote, even a big fire did not happen, and the commander did not intend to extinguish it. Today on RIA Novosti there is an advertisement - "Let's save Dasha! We'll raise money for treatment." Is this not a sad result of the leadership of the already supreme civilian branches? I wanted to find out from the active military whether he believed in his commanders, or in the event of a "fire" they would throw up their hands and say: "Brothers and sisters? .."
  11. spektr9
    spektr9 19 September 2018 08: 22
    +6
    The zone is needed, but it will not be ...
    1. Ncplc
      Ncplc 19 September 2018 10: 29
      0
      Yes, there simply cannot be a no-fly zone, Israel launches rockets without entering Syrian airspace, or are you going to make a no-fly zone over Lebanon?
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 19 September 2018 10: 38
        +3
        Yes, there simply cannot be a no-fly zone
        With our main can not, there is not even a word
        Is Israel launching rockets without entering Syrian airspace, or are you going to make a no-fly zone over Lebanon?
        Why, it’s very simple you launch missiles into our no-fly zone, we send missiles to your carriers, everyone is happy and happy hi
      2. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 19 September 2018 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: Ncplc
        zone over Lebanon?
        Is Lebanon the territory of Israel?
  12. REEKMAN
    REEKMAN 19 September 2018 08: 25
    +7
    You need to answer harshly from the very beginning, right from the Turks you should have started in due time, so as not to create precedents
    1. HMR333
      HMR333 19 September 2018 08: 55
      +1
      You are silly once you write this after what has been done and after the results! and if ......
  13. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 19 September 2018 08: 30
    +5
    Jews will wash themselves in blood. They will be punished as the Turks were punished. From all TV sets and stands they will "shoot". I can see it straight.
    1. HMR333
      HMR333 19 September 2018 08: 54
      0
      because of the act of some, it is not worthwhile to hate the whole nation; it will not bring anything good!
      1. Fkjydjckfrgh
        Fkjydjckfrgh 19 September 2018 09: 13
        +1
        Quote: HMR333
        because of the act of some, it is not worthwhile to hate the whole nation; it will not bring anything good!

        Add the "sarcasm" sign to the emoticons
    2. brigadier
      brigadier 19 September 2018 09: 02
      +2
      Yes Yes. And Turetsky, who is from the choir, again to take in fright. Last time the surname failed ... and this time - nationality.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 September 2018 08: 31
    +1
    ... or "gut"?
    My personal opinion is a provocative article. The author, as usual, did not subscribe, and for some reason more such articles appear. This suggests that the site on such articles monitors the opinion of its visitors. So, even without monitoring, it is already clearly visible that the "liberoid" mass begins to approach a critical equilibrium.
    1. Breard
      Breard 19 September 2018 08: 38
      +8
      hmm ... it's you - "provocation"
      Well, yes, the fact that the Israelis "INTENTIONALLY" put our plane under attack and, in fact, KILLED our guys! and at the same time they "SUCCESSFULLY" pretend that they are "nothing to do with" and the Syrians who shot at their planes are to blame!
      This is just HUMILIATION! country with the KILLING of its citizens!
      1. Yjt
        Yjt 19 September 2018 09: 19
        -3
        And not only the Syrians are to blame for the downing of the Russian aircraft, but also the Russian instructors who taught the Syrians how to use the air defense equipment donated by Russia. As you taught them, you got such a result. You give them another S-300 and S-400, then they will beat you all the planes in Syria.
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    3. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 19 September 2018 08: 42
      -1
      By the way, this is the result of the fact that I am completely right.
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 19 September 2018 08: 45
        +2
        What doesn’t like that everything doesn’t bleed together for the president who forgave the Jewish brothers? Do not be afraid, only flowers and berries will be soon
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 19 September 2018 09: 09
          -4
          Do not be afraid, only flowers and berries will be soon
          You shouldn't poke a stranger. Are you talking about berries under the Romanian flag? About "bleating" not for you to tell, tk. part of Moldavia is already bleating to Romanian music.
          1. spektr9
            spektr9 19 September 2018 09: 17
            +1
            Are you talking about berries under the Romanian flag?
            And what is the claim, which flag I want this and put you forum grief hurray "patriot" I forgot to ask))
            Do not poke a stranger
            I don’t poke a person, but I will poke the one who justifies the death of 15 citizens of the Russian Federation, because he is not worthy of the title
            About "bleating" not for you to tell, tk. part of Moldova is already bleating to Romanian music
            Judging by the flag on the site about the location, a sign of a near mind, but you are excusable
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 19 September 2018 09: 33
              -3
              it justifies the death of 15 citizens of the Russian Federation
              What are you sick of? Maybe you should read my comments before unfoundedly blaming!
              a sign of a near mind, but you are excusable
              But this is already over the edge. By your I’ll answer the principle - it’s not for you to be a skier (I ask the moderators to take into account the comments of my opponent), I should tell this to the retired officer.
  15. sleeve
    sleeve 19 September 2018 08: 33
    -1
    no fly zone
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    1. HMR333
      HMR333 19 September 2018 08: 50
      -2
      Typical American logic! He never does anything thoughtless and reckless, which he will regret, as a chess player, he analyzes everything and then only acts, not in the fastest way, but in a longer but more effective way!
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  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 September 2018 08: 38
    +3
    This statement in itself sounds very depressing, because if the Russian Armed Forces today are not able to create a no-fly zone in a country like Syria (to put it mildly, not with the most impressive area), then a) is there enough air defense equipment to protect the air borders of Russia itself ?

    ... a comparison is not at all appropriate, but we will not strengthen Syrian air defense for ourselves ... to remove from Moscow, St. Petersburg and other strategic centers and facilities?
  18. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 19 September 2018 08: 41
    0
    Single incidents will be. Surely in such a situation. But mass flights will stop.
    And in relation to Israel, I propose to deliver with 300 Syrians. Stop doing Mumu.
  19. HMR333
    HMR333 19 September 2018 08: 47
    0
    The military themselves will decide what and how they know better! But the author of the article clearly illiterate approached its writing, because the speech is that if they can’t close the sky over Syria, it’s possible that Russia is also talking about a 5-year-old child who is not familiar with the situation! In Syria, there are shield air defense systems designed to protect two bases and in order to close everything you need to increase their number! But the current complexes can reach almost the entire territory, but there are few of them and this is a risk! And on the territory of Russia there are all available air defense systems and about both mine over-the-air and ground-based systems from long-range to manual and aviation and marine!
  20. Skay
    Skay 19 September 2018 08: 47
    +1
    Declare air defense exercises on a perpetual basis in required areas. Consider all alien letaki targets.
  21. Breard
    Breard 19 September 2018 08: 48
    +5
    Hmm ... of course! - "INTESTINAL TONE!"
    For another you need to have ADVANTAGE!
    Try SOMEONE to shoot down an Israeli, Chinese ... or ANY other plane and kill 20 people! What would be the reaction? LIKE Russia - "oh, it happened, our plane was" lost ", or a little shot down"
  22. kebeskin
    kebeskin 19 September 2018 08: 51
    +8
    Naturally the gut is thin. Events over the past few years show us that things do not go beyond concern and temporary tomato sanctions. Like it or not, facts are the most stubborn thing in the world. If this happened to the Americans I give a tooth, I would have already thrown the airdromes with tomahawks, with explanations that they will organize their safety first of all. Well, the Americans are not afraid to bomb the same Syrians if they feel threatened somewhere. Israel also acts, there is a threat for them, they are not afraid to use all means to achieve their goals. It’s sad to see when a great power - every time it washes and expresses its concern. Nobody will start a world war with us over Israel, there will be a maximum of next sanctions, which will first of all be afraid of those who sit on the tops of power and keep money outside the country.
  23. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 19 September 2018 08: 52
    -5
    There will be a useless zone - they will fire from the sea, from the land, but you never know how ... At the moment, you need to quickly end the barmales and try to clear Syria from all foreign troops, except the Russian ones.
  24. arnulla
    arnulla 19 September 2018 09: 16
    0
    Yes, a small intestine, a thin one ... But Turkey and srail with intestines are much better
  25. sabakina
    sabakina 19 September 2018 09: 19
    -1
    The no-fly zone over Syria, or the "gut is thin"?
    So no one enters the airspace of Syria, everyone is beating from outside of it. And the Yankees fly "in their sandbox", they do not approach us.
  26. RUS96
    RUS96 19 September 2018 09: 19
    +7
    Means that is. The area of ​​Syria (185 km²), comparable, for example, to the area of ​​the Republic of Karelia (180 km²). So, it’s not a matter of means, but of eggs.
  27. Mentat
    Mentat 19 September 2018 09: 19
    -1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    ... or "gut"?
    My personal opinion is a provocative article. The author, as usual, did not subscribe, and for some reason more such articles appear. This suggests that the site on such articles monitors the opinion of its visitors. So, even without monitoring, it is already clearly visible that the "liberoid" mass begins to approach a critical equilibrium.

    Maybe so, or maybe the site just cuts the loot on hot. No comments.

    By the way, it would be nice to confirm published links. Who are these experts who are calling for a no-fly zone? Surnames in the studio.
    1. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 19 September 2018 13: 54
      -1
      What is your opinion? Or maybe the interests of Gazprom and all home. How much blood can be shed?
  28. Imobile
    Imobile 19 September 2018 09: 32
    +1
    Is Russia ready to shoot down, for example, an American plane if it carries out a provocation and enters the no-fly zone organized by air defense calculations of the Russian Armed Forces 100-200 m away?
    The question was not, and is not worth it !!! Question will Does Russia bring down, for example, an American plane if it carries out a provocation and enters the no-fly zone, organized by air defense calculations of the Russian Armed Forces, at 100-200 m? And the answer is would close if they could!
  29. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 19 September 2018 09: 40
    +2
    The site has become like a psychological help hotline:
    -What should be done? Ahh, shoot it. Of course.
    -Who's guilty? Yes Yes. You are absolutely right.
    Everyone knows everything. Everyone can see everything. Someone else's opinion is unacceptable. Any actions without our consent, as well as inaction, are unacceptable. The General Staff at the expense of the government there, Putin is the main Jew. Everything is bad with us and we are all gone. We are alive despite everything. Give a nuclear bomb to everyone!
  30. EGERb
    EGERb 19 September 2018 09: 51
    +5
    What is there to be scattered, to look for the guilty and innocent. There is an established fact. Everyone's memory is very distressing. The no-fly zone was declared after the SU24 was shot down by a Turkish F16. And nobody canceled it. IL20 shot down! This is unfortunate and sad. And you comrades you cannot do anything. You will not be able to reach the powerful of this world either. They have their own views and plans. And the fact that Shoigu announced that the alleged intelligence officer was shot down by the Syrian air defense is also not a fact. Have you read Putin's speech ??? He also made it clear that Shoigu called his Israeli colleague after Vladimir Vladimirovich assessed the situation. And after that, Shoigu also made a statement in the media on IL20. So it’s not that smooth. It seems to me that the intelligence was shot down by the Israeli air force! And the means of objective control of the Russian videoconferencing saw this. And the whole reason is that our bureaucrats dohara property and accounts over the hill. That's the whole problem. And the military should decide this issue themselves. Pilots must refuse to fly until their flight is safe and until they are allowed to fight back and use weapons against our insolent "allies." That's all!
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 19 September 2018 11: 55
      +2
      This is already so clear, just simulate a situation with the RER approaching the S-200 which is clearly visible to an aircraft of this class and the pilots do not do anything and do not notify the ground services ... In this case, to get into il20 the missile should be pointed at it (because it’s semi-active guidance head), i.e. the Syrian clearly sees the target with a signature that did not belong to the fighter and shoots at it that it simply will not be allowed to make a friend or foe system ... Bullshit, but complete bullshit.
      Further, the second scenario, which is not official, approaches F20 with il16, which is not something beyond ordinary because such flights take place constantly, ours see it but take no action (we don’t fight the Jews), and here the last one attacks the il20 crew react and that's it ....
      Further on the same day, information will come about the first use of the S-400 complex in Syria, for whom, for which it is not clear, everyone is silent. It is likely that our services recorded this incident and missiles were launched on the plane that destroyed the sludge .. But since Israel is silent, I think that after recognizing the targets they were immediately eliminated.
      And they probably would have hushed up the matter if at that moment the French were not in the water area, cheerfully delivering strikes against Syria, naturally having noticed such ugliness the frogmen were afraid of the accusations and ran to inform the command that they were not here. Which naturally made a statement in the media (France is not the United States or Israel, and the problems with the Russian Federation are not needed in any way)
      As a result, I had to compose a story about the S-200 which was falling apart just before our eyes
  31. lucul
    lucul 19 September 2018 09: 53
    -4
    Quote: corrado
    The article is provocative in nature. What happened to VO? The level of articles is falling day by day.

    I already wrote - with each article more and more they begin to resemble the Echo of Moscow, in their hatred of the authorities.
    1. EGERb
      EGERb 19 September 2018 10: 12
      +6
      Quote: lucul
      Quote: corrado
      The article is provocative in nature. What happened to VO? The level of articles is falling day by day.

      I already wrote - with each article more and more they begin to resemble the Echo of Moscow, in their hatred of the authorities.

      Well, stop talking nonsense .... Fell everything on the opposition and the fifth column, as well as the media supporting them. The authorities themselves are to blame and with their abhorrent anti-people actions feed this fifth column of Navalny and all those walking next to him. And then they begin to look for those responsible for creating this column. They themselves created it.
    2. spektr9
      spektr9 19 September 2018 11: 38
      0
      I already wrote - with each article more and more they begin to resemble the Echo of Moscow, in their hatred of the authorities.
      The government does not protect its citizens, cutting Israel off interrupted by them, and the people should praise?
      We don’t pay for komenty, so go dear with your indignation far and long
  32. kriten
    kriten 19 September 2018 10: 06
    +4
    It’s probably possible to bring down ... but how then to kiss Natanyahu ??? Is the GDP really not tired of what they began to hold him for a fool: they say the main thing is friendly hugs, and the plane is a tragic accident, the hesball is to blame ...
  33. EGERb
    EGERb 19 September 2018 10: 20
    +2
    Quote: kriten
    It’s probably possible to bring down ... but how then to kiss Natanyahu ??? Is the GDP really not tired of what they began to hold him for a fool: they say the main thing is friendly hugs, and the plane is a tragic accident, the hesball is to blame ...

    Do you remember Nitanyahu was shown on TV on May 9 of this year when he arrived on Putin on an official visit. What did they decide ??? Right on the same day, in the evening, the media disseminated information that the S-300 systems would not be delivered to the ATS. The Israeli state is the so-called gray cardinal))))
  34. EGERb
    EGERb 19 September 2018 10: 23
    -8
    I really respect Putin. And knowing about his service in the KGB, all the same I hope that something is hidden in his sleeve as a magician. And that this is something that will soon appear to the world. But his environment, with the exception of single copies, would have drowned.
    1. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 19 September 2018 10: 55
      +2
      But is Putin not responsible for his environment? There is no trick in big-time politics, I think so.
    2. SlavaS
      SlavaS 19 September 2018 11: 11
      +5
      hidden from his VAT 25, and retired at 70,
    3. ashnajder
      ashnajder 19 September 2018 14: 33
      0
      the king is good the bad boyars?)))) and the slaves still believe)
  35. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 September 2018 10: 30
    0
    after the situation with the IL-20 they think ...

    Do not you think that you had to think before?
    Though it is never too late to "think", for some reason we almost always start "thinking" after ... But it's a pity!
    It’s a pity for our children: heroically, sometimes they correct with their lives what the boys with big stars like Zolotov didn’t bother to take care of earlier.
    And it’s not at all surprising ... for gold, the main thing is not professionalism, but loyalty to the most important.
    Tomatoes, tomatoes ... gagging begins after these words! Forgive the ladies!
  36. askort154
    askort154 19 September 2018 10: 32
    +4
    I will never believe that Israel struck this blow, 20 km. from our base - spontaneously.
    The operation is well thought out and staged. All flights of our Il-20 were thoroughly analyzed. And here it is, that auspicious moment under the developed script. Il returns to base, and the F-16s are already at the combat line. And when everything "grew together", quickly, in less than a minute, they informed our headquarters about the beginning of their attack (having fulfilled the terms of the contract).
    This provocation is not a tactical plan. This provocation is a strategic plan. Russia,
    due to actions in Syria, it began to quickly gain credibility not only in the BV, but also in the world.
    Knowing that Putin will not dare to retaliate (judging by Su-24 in Turkey), and this affects his rating not only in the world, but also in the country. So, it’s not just shot down a plane, it shot down Putin’s rating. And this is not so much interested in Israel as its patrons. Moreover, not only Israel but also the French participated in the strike on Syria (they were on the safe side).
    The provocation was a success. yes
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 10: 51
      -2
      If there was such a plan and they knew that they would not answer, what prevented stupidly missiles and f16 from knocking it down? Why are these feints then? Do not wishful thinking. Everything is simpler at times. Hoping that they would slip in and not open fire, they planned and did them. But as usual, something went wrong. Or do you think that the person personally responsible for the Israeli aviation was sent as a messenger just like that? He is now almost sent to make excuses. They really got scared from what they had done. Which, of course, should not worry us much, but it’s just striking.
    2. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 19 September 2018 10: 53
      0
      That's right. Recently, helplessness and coping have been observed. Maybe I'm wrong, but it flies mainly from the Anglo-Saxons, which the Russian leadership is starting to move, instead of retaliating. Maybe Uncle Vova is specifically distracted by Erdogan?
  37. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 September 2018 10: 36
    +1
    It seems that we have more ambitions and show-offs than real determination and opportunities.
  38. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 September 2018 10: 42
    +2
    Quote: kriten
    Is the GDP really not tired of what they began to hold him for a fool: they say the main thing is friendly hugs ...

    "For a line in the newspaper ..." - Don't you remember this song? So that the next day all the media rejoiced about "the breakthrough of isolation, everyone goes to consult, everyone secretly loves him ... but they are embarrassed to admit it ..."
    Our GDP is terribly afraid of the fate of Gaddafi, Saddam and ... the famous admiring "Wow" girl named Albright. And he does not forget the fate of Yanukovych.
    And our poor fellow has forgotten that literally a minute ... before ... the Western "partners" respected Gaddafi's darling about the same ... well, as they do with him now.
  39. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 19 September 2018 10: 46
    0
    Well, what's the difference with what a military plane flies into someone else's territory, with reconnaissance goals or bombing? By the way, Israel launched 200 attacks on Syria without flying into Syrian territory or flying for a short time.
  40. Dikson
    Dikson 19 September 2018 10: 59
    +4
    What is this article about? How long can you publish here stupid appeals to give the Arabs S-300, S-400, S-something else? Nobody remembers the burnt "shells" anymore? What is a no-fly zone over Syria if, in order to smash Damascus, aviation does not even have to enter the airspace of this country? You can shoot from anywhere and without a ridiculous violation of the air borders of the country, where everyone is in charge .. They rested on Israel .. And why no one insinuatingly asks the French from whose order they fired rockets two days ago? The intestines are thin, the intestines are thick .. Now the Americans will let the aircraft carrier down and ours will generally sit in caponiers. Because they have already swooped in .. And Israel and others, as they carried out raids from neutral waters, will continue to do so .. And the question is funny and amateurish in the article - is there enough air defense means to protect Russia itself? Nobody has ever defended the whole of Russia. Large cities, strategic objects - yes .. And this is not all from a massive attack. Calculate the length of the borders of our country and divide by the range of the radar of the same S-300 ... - get an approximate amount .. But we know that the air defense system must be echeloned, right? then you need to multiply by three .. Oh, yes! more strategic objects! In general, relax, sofa warriors .. -Moscow is under an umbrella, and the rest of the enemies are not interesting ..
  41. exo
    exo 19 September 2018 11: 21
    +2
    Zones can be created, but the coalition and Israel will not abide by them. And then: a full-fledged war. Given the remoteness of the theater, not in our favor. Why declare that which you cannot fulfill?
  42. Million
    Million 19 September 2018 11: 26
    +3
    The gut is thin. Where is the money kept or where do the children of "young reformers" live or study?
  43. spectr
    spectr 19 September 2018 11: 26
    0
    And the sense in this publicity, if "problematic" strikes are delivered from planes and ships outside Syria. We're going to shake our fist that we're going to shoot down the UAV. So after all and without threats we shoot down already.
  44. Blaster
    Blaster 19 September 2018 11: 34
    +4
    The no-fly zone over Syria, or the "gut is thin"?

    Our politicians want to sit on two chairs
  45. canurodes
    canurodes 19 September 2018 11: 47
    +4
    Syrian sky is the sky of war. Any of our aircraft in the sky should be ready to be shot down.
    We have already been taught bitter experience, well, again 25. If we lose people, then the first question to our shoulder straps. What the...? They didn’t cover here, they missed it, it didn’t grow together here. Well, yes, the Syrian crew didn’t know, well, I didn’t see that our plane was there. Yes, I didn’t, I saw, but the operator accidentally sat on the button with his ass. There are no words.
    Why did the Syrians suddenly so violently strike at the enemy, although before that they had not been particularly active in Israeli planes? And if you give them the C300, whom else will they bring down?
    Putin’s Israeli lobby, he is one of them, will never aggravate relations. Just think, they flew by, so they don’t shoot at us, just a tragic accident (She drowned)
  46. aristok
    aristok 19 September 2018 11: 51
    +3
    The no-fly zone over Syria, or the "gut is thin"?

    If the gut is thin, then there was no need to climb there ..
    1. spectr
      spectr 19 September 2018 17: 51
      0
      Our defense industry in some respects is very dependent on imported components. There is no complete import substitution. Therefore, if a serious conflict begins and markets are limited to us, after the depletion of stocks, the level of our weapons will sharply decrease.
      So they consider there how thin our gut is. In a serious conflict, we have only one strategy - to bring down the enemy’s production and scientific potential to their level.
  47. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 September 2018 11: 52
    -2
    Quote: vladimirvn
    It seems that we have more ambitions and show-offs than real determination and opportunities.

    The main state zhuzhi need to borrow the male eggs from the Russian Orthodox Church ... there they do not just "express regrets", but immediately begin to really answer - quickly, sharply and uncompromisingly.
    "We have enough opportunities ... we don't have enough intelligence"
    1. Corn
      Corn 19 September 2018 13: 49
      -1
      And how did the ROC respond, except for quick, harsh and uncompromising chatter with an empty "last Chinese warning"?
  48. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 19 September 2018 12: 40
    +2
    Playing with cheaters by the rules will only be a fool.
  49. Tektor
    Tektor 19 September 2018 14: 15
    +1
    You can create a no-fly zone over Syria. But for this, in addition to the existing one, it is necessary to constantly keep in the air four patrol MiG-31BM, helicopters with Lever-AB, A50U and Il-22 "Porubshchik". And on the ground to have radar "Valeria", Kasta-2-2, scattered around the objects of Mercury-BM, Buk-M3, Tor-M2 and Derivation-Air Defense.
  50. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 19 September 2018 14: 35
    +3
    Our bourgeois authorities have the determination and will only to infringe on the rights of the people, for example, pushing pension reform with the tenacity of a rhino or EdR candidate in Primorye.
    For everything else - only recourse recourse recourse- wipe and chew. Well, they can still strongly declare to bomb Voronezh. Do not bomb Israel, the best friend of the Russian Federation?