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Who is Israel in the same row now?

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Writing about human meanness is always unpleasant. But this is exactly what can be called what the Israeli pilots did when attacking Syrian objects.


To some, this will seem overly rude. But nothing, most of our readers are familiar with epaulets, military equipment and weapons. And they are well aware of, and speak a normal army Russian. Call things by their proper names. Alas, they did not study in diplomatic academies and we don’t know the polites of courtiers.



The picture of what happened today is already clear. Yes, the Syrian rocket hit the Russian reconnaissance aircraft. “Hiding behind the Russian plane, the Israeli pilots set it under fire from Syria’s air defenses,” said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Konashenkov.

An interesting oil painting is obtained. Russian aircraft after performing the "eight" landed at a height of 5 km. The Israelites could not not see it. And not only the pilots themselves, but also the guidance officers. However, Israeli planes were put on a course parallel to the IL-20 course.

We specifically asked one of the specialists for such air defense systems about the possibility of saving such an aircraft during the shelling. The chances of "IL" was not at all. The F-16 pilots were well aware that the missiles would go to a larger object. Yes, and ground services of the Israeli army were aware.

This means that the “combat pilots”, whom we no longer consider to be soldiers, were hiding behind a defenseless scout. Not an enemy scout, but an airplane of a country that everyone calls together an ally. The death of Russian officers on the conscience of Israel.

Yes, all of Israel.

It is clear that Netanyahu called Putin, bowed all over, promised to send the Israeli Air Force Commander with three suitcases to prove that Israel had nothing to do with it.

Anyone can clearly explain the implementation of agreements on mutual information about air strikes a minute before they start? In a minute, in 60 seconds! We have an explanation, but the most simple and true, no. The provocation was organized at the highest level!

And given that an unarmed scout was shot down, we will call it directly and openly - murder.

All services of Israel worked too synchronously. And the Israelis were too scared of what had happened. All too much. Even the fact that the responsibility laid on all around. In addition to their own military and special services.

So what's next? Turkish version? Will Israel buy peaches from Israel? Slowly calm the people? Express condolences to the families of the victims? You can still solve the housing problem or to arrange children at the institute ... And then what?

How many times should "friends" have to hit us in the back so that the "bear" deigns to turn its head towards danger? How many deaths have to happen so that we can finally understand simple things that were learned in yard fights?

The President once talked about his own childhood yard. And about the principles on which relations were built there. Good were the principles. And most importantly - effective.

Any hooligan was perfectly pacified not by the correct and beautiful words uttered with feeling and a kind smile, but by a trained fist. A well-set blow not only rehabilitated hooligans and boors, but also perfectly taught the rules of behavior in society, culture and respect for elders.

Of course, we hope, for the first time in a million, that our MO is responsible for its words. Words about the right to an adequate response are said. We do not hope to strike at Israeli airfields. But the fact that there will be our planes and C-300, 400 will drive the Israelis throughout the region if they approach the range of fire to their positions.

Interestingly it turns out. A huge nuclear power is not afraid of another huge nuclear power. And at the same time, the "world microorganisms" quietly "bite the bear." Bite it hurts. And the bear tolerates.

Unlike donkey or elephant, depending on who is president. Those are not particularly stand on ceremony. Spread the country to shreds. For one single soldier. Why is the elephant in the china shop - it's scary, and the bear in the same shop causes only laughter?

The worst thing for the army is the loss of respect. The Israelis have lost this respect in our eyes. It is clear that there will be some connection. It is clear that "not all Jews are the same." Russians are not all the same either. Therefore, we do not speak for all Russians. We speak for ourselves.

And to the families of the victims our condolences. We understand that your grief cannot be reduced by words. We understand that husbands, fathers, sons, children are not returned.

And that everything should be very clearly investigated. There are too many questions here. And unpleasant questions to our Ministry of Defense. But - all the time.
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  1. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 05: 04
    +11
    Yeah ... the situation is reduced to idiocy ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 September 2018 05: 37
      +53
      Who is Israel in the same row now?
      with whom he was, with that he remained ... what is the conversation about?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 September 2018 07: 05
        +37
        ... "world microorganisms" calmly "bite the bear". The bite hurts. And the bear suffers

        Is it a bear? I, about the manual. Judging by the behavior, it is more suitable for the character from Napoleon's quote about the army of lions led by a ram.
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 19 September 2018 11: 59
          +8
          Quote: Stas157
          Is it a bear?

          Why not? from the toptygin "they expected bloodshed, but he ate the siskin"
          As for the Israelis, in my opinion everything is clear here: they were not informed on time deliberately, they hid behind their backs, too, the standard in aviation, but what Putin is counting on saying "about a chain of accidents" we will soon find out what happened to Milosevic or Gaddafi ? the same thing, after all, with partners with their deck they played ...
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 19 September 2018 17: 22
            +7
            In "chains of chances" there is always a pattern. Why should the Russian people be distracted by internal problems. The external one has appeared once again. And then there will be peaches and stuff. The proceedings will end in a mess. If Israel did so, then everything will be in chocolate.
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 19 September 2018 08: 42
        +20
        "How many times do 'friends' have to stab us in the back for the 'bear' to deign to turn its head in the direction of danger? How many deaths must happen for us to finally understand the simple things that have been learned in yard fights?
        !!!!!!
        Here the question immediately arises: "Is the bear free?" Or I can’t hold it strongly for the most?
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 19 September 2018 11: 43
          -1
          The question is posed by an edge .....
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 19 September 2018 16: 13
            +5
            That is, they pressed the bear's eggs or not?
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 19 September 2018 08: 50
        -1
        they will not stand at a price (compensation) - and will remain on their principles
    2. Ren
      Ren 19 September 2018 05: 41
      +70
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Yeah ... the situation is reduced to idiocy ...

      This is not idiocy, but pragmatism. An order was received to create a high-profile information line and to teach the MO lesson after their briefing on the Boeing of the MH-17 flight.
      It was necessary to erase the information from this briefing by a loud event. It's my opinion.
      My first desire is that at the highest level, Israel began to extrude on the subject:
      1. IAEA admission led by Russian specialists at all Israeli nuclear facilities. Indicate the period of admission, do not allow - to bomb nuclear facilities, as developing nuclear weapons.
      2. To bring to justice all the perpetrators of the IDF.
      3. Claim compensation to the relatives of the victims and property MO. For example, for 5 billion rubles for each dead and 100 billion rubles for property MO.
      4. To prohibit flights of Israeli aviation without coordination with the Russian Ministry of Defense of all details of the flight program.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 06: 13
        +28
        Yeah. They will drop everything and begin to fulfill all these requirements. One must really look at life.
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 19 September 2018 16: 09
          +2
          and before fulfilling, arrange supplies to Hezbole of MANPADS, anti-tank systems and other nishtyaks, so that those who are not afraid to attack Israel do this with our weapons without restrictions.
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 16: 11
            +3
            Which will turn them against us at the moment when Iran is offended by us?
          2. Polkanov
            Polkanov 19 September 2018 17: 51
            +1
            ... long and universal.
          3. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 22 September 2018 23: 41
            0
            Well, what is the use of such deliveries if warehouses with these weapons are crushed to pieces?
        2. l7yzo
          l7yzo 20 September 2018 06: 35
          0
          And do not need them to rush. This is necessary so that there is a precedent and yes, the courts will go for about 5 years and most likely end little - but how much Israel will have to declassify)))
          It’s like with Alaska. Why Russia does not sue the United States for not returning Alaska ?? And because during the trial a lot of interesting things will come up that should not come up.
          Therefore, I think no ships - agree on a quiet one as always ... And this is sad. The authorities of the Russian Federation always agree quietly, and this is what they need - then they send these agreements to nafig - and the authorities of the Russian Federation remain with their noses. It’s time to grow up.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: l7yzo
            Why Russia does not sue the United States for not returning Alaska ??

            Because it is SOLD forever.
      2. Russia
        Russia 19 September 2018 06: 23
        +16
        Now the Israeli infantry will pull up, at the head of the "tongued" and "Wow, I will win all." smile
      3. atalef
        atalef 19 September 2018 07: 19
        -23
        Quote: Ren
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Yeah ... the situation is reduced to idiocy ...

        This is not idiocy, but pragmatism. An order was received to create a high-profile information line and to teach the MO lesson after their briefing on the Boeing of the MH-17 flight.
        It was necessary to erase the information from this briefing by a loud event. It's my opinion.
        My first desire is that at the highest level, Israel began to extrude on the subject:
        1. IAEA admission led by Russian specialists at all Israeli nuclear facilities. Indicate the period of admission, do not allow - to bomb nuclear facilities, as developing nuclear weapons.
        2. To bring to justice all the perpetrators of the IDF.
        3. Claim compensation to the relatives of the victims and property MO. For example, for 5 billion rubles for each dead and 100 billion rubles for property MO.
        4. To prohibit flights of Israeli aviation without coordination with the Russian Ministry of Defense of all details of the flight program.

        Why 4 paragraph total?
        laughing
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 19 September 2018 08: 52
          +5
          Do you want to leave 1 item?
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 19 September 2018 11: 06
          0
          I think bargaining is not appropriate here))))
      4. Cottager452
        Cottager452 19 September 2018 07: 38
        +1
        "Will not work.
        330 rubles to everyone. ”
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      6. Roman Skomorokhov
        19 September 2018 08: 49
        -11
        Quote: Ren
        3. Claim compensation to the relatives of the victims and property MO. For example, for 5 billion rubles for each dead and 100 billion rubles for property MO.
        4. To prohibit flights of Israeli aviation without coordination with the Russian Ministry of Defense of all details of the flight program.


        1. Israel spelled with a capital letter. Do not respect yourself? Your right, of course.
        2. Will you send it all to Putin? Or just decided to wander here?
        1. Ren
          Ren 19 September 2018 09: 55
          +19
          Quote: Banshee
          2. Will you send it all to Putin? Or just decided to wander here?

          If you read carefully, then this is my desire, as a citizen, to offer something not bloodthirsty, consistent with international legal standards and practices. hi
          After all, it is necessary not only to criticize for the sake of criticism and to shout - to bring down all, to bomb everything, but to offer something realistic?
          And you, as I understand it, offer to understand and forgive? belay
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 19 September 2018 10: 04
          +12
          Novel hi With your permission, I will copy the second paragraph from above and paste it into the frame. good Unless of course you mind? repeat
      7. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 19 September 2018 08: 56
        +6
        Beautiful, but impossible! With the current ...
      8. Dashout
        Dashout 19 September 2018 09: 56
        +16
        Quote: Ren
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Yeah ... the situation is reduced to idiocy ...

        This is not idiocy, but pragmatism. An order was received to create a high-profile information line and to teach the MO lesson after their briefing on the Boeing of the MH-17 flight.
        It was necessary to erase the information from this briefing by a loud event. It's my opinion.

        Yes, it seems you're right ... maybe this ...
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 19 September 2018 10: 37
          +12
          Quote: Dashout
          Yes, it seems you're right ... maybe this ...

          No, he can not. During this time, a provocation involving our aircraft cannot be prepared. Perhaps the provocation was bombarded as a blow to Syria, but here Il turned up, although this opportunity to use our aircraft was provided for and developed for a long time, and as far as I understand, it (this opportunity to hide behind our aircraft) was worked out in case of a strike against our ! air defense positions on our bases, in the case when it is deemed necessary. Our air defense must be strengthened with such options.
      9. Overland whale
        Overland whale 19 September 2018 10: 34
        +20
        To take such steps, you need to be absolutely innocent of the Western financial system, otherwise it will turn into a complete socio-economic catastrophe for the Russian Federation. And Putin is very well aware of this. Therefore, there will be no consequences for "friend Bibi", nor for Israel in general, nor for the IDF. None at all.
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 19 September 2018 11: 08
          0
          This is how it washes, and nezya, for the mention of Treblinka, I didn’t need a warning.
      10. Kent0001
        Kent0001 19 September 2018 11: 46
        +2
        Yes, what are you, and who will give us .... I’m not talking about money (it will never happen), I’m going to demand .... from Israel ... ours .... I strongly doubt that such seditious thought will slip through heads ..... that's just why she never slip through?
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      12. Per se.
        Per se. 19 September 2018 13: 37
        +7
        Quote: Ren
        My first desire is that at the highest level, Israel be pressed
        It is not for capitalist Russia to fulfill such desires. It has already been announced - "Russian President Vladimir Putin urged not to compare the crash of the Il-20 in Syria with a Russian bomber shot down by Turkey. Now, according to him, it is more of an accident," literally, "This is a chain of tragic circumstances." Presumably, the President knows better who "won't get off with tomatoes", and when "she drowned" ...
      13. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 19 September 2018 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Ren
        This is not idiocy, but pragmatism. An order was received to create a high-profile information line and to teach the MO lesson after their briefing on the Boeing of the MH-17 flight.

        Israel has no contact with Boeing; exchanging relations for Boeing is idiocy.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 September 2018 06: 38
      +18
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Yeah ... the situation is reduced to idiocy.
      .
      And all parties
      We specifically asked one of the specialists in precisely such air defense systems about the possibility of rescuing such an aircraft during shelling. Odds have a chance was not at all. Pilots F-16 perfectly understoodthat rockets will go to larger object.


      And the Syrian Pvoshniki did not understand this? Or did they -... did NOT know (did not ask) that there was a Russian IL in the air ?! belay

      WHO allowed (did not forbid) Syrians to shoot in the aircraft flight area Russian air base? Where are the coordinating curators from Russia and are there any?

      If there is something, they must answer, if not, they must answer in Moscow for the fact that they are not.

      After all, when shot down cruise missiles recently, supposedly, Syrian air defense was coordinated, directed by the Russians. But what about ....? request

      Israel, of course, is the root cause of what happened, in that sense. that they provoked an air defense fire.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 September 2018 07: 49
        +26
        Quote: Olgovich
        Who allowed (did not forbid) the Syrians to shoot in the area of ​​flights of the Russian air base?

        Syrians are on its the earth. They do not need permission in order to defend themselves.

        If Russia cannot protect its ally, then at least it should not limit the Syrians in their own defense. If the situation wears random character, then this refers to the actions of the Syrians. There is a war and they shoot ... But from the side of Israel, it was intentional actions (they attacked, they didn’t warn, they covered themselves), which provoked the death of the Russian aircraft.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          19 September 2018 08: 52
          +26
          Quote: Stas157
          Syrians are on their land. They do not need permission to defend themselves.


          For sure. No one and does not challenge this right in Syria, with the exception of very much calories on the head.

          Another question, what did OURs do, from advisers to the calculations of those C-400?

          The fact that Israel was already shouting out, giving the crew of the low-speed 60 aircraft seconds to think - this, of course, is just plain mean.
          1. Baribal
            Baribal 19 September 2018 11: 07
            +12
            Quote: Banshee

            The fact that Israel was already shouting out, giving the crew of the low-speed 60 aircraft seconds to think - this, of course, is just plain mean.


            This is only if everything looked exactly as it was presented by the Moscow Region that, allegedly, here it is, the moment of bombing and the moment of approach are literally on the same line. But something doubts torment me, Israel seemed to promise to provide evidence that at the time of their downing the four F-16s had long been at home, it turns out that the Syrians began to shoot at everything that glows on the radar after the bombs reached their goals.

            Hence the questions:
            1) Why were the Syrians given weapons that they do not know how to use? Why not trained, not coordinated?
            2) What kind of Iranians with hezbola are secretly solving their tasks near us, hiding behind our bases? This setup is no less than Israeli!
            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              19 September 2018 13: 34
              +4
              Quote: Baribal
              Why did the Syrians give weapons that they do not know how to use? Why not trained, not coordinated?


              Well, it's simple. Arabs, they are such ... difficult to learn ... From time immemorial.

              Quote: Baribal
              What kind of such Iranians with Hezboloy secretly solve their tasks at our side, hiding behind our bases? This is a setup no less than the Israeli one!


              But this is a cool question! We need to think about it.
              1. merkava-2bet
                merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 21: 18
                -3
                Extremely uncomfortable questions are asked, isn't it a colleague?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 19 September 2018 09: 14
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          Syrians are on their land. They do not need permission to defend themselves.

          Therefore, they can shoot rockets in the flight zone of RUSSIAN aircraft ?! What's wrong with you? belay

          The question is simple: WHERE were the Russian coordinators-curators of the Syrian-Russian air defense and MCC operations and why didn’t they forbid the attack?

          Is there really no rule to ban missile launches in the Khmeinim zone without a visa from Russian officers? I do not believe! It can’t be like this: otherwise, every departure is Ross. Aircraft is a deadly risk!

          2. The Russian officers had a minute after the notification of Israel, but did they spend it on LINK with Syrian air defense with a warning about IL? request

          PS To distinguish the brightest slow big mark (like IL) from small fast faded marks (like F16) even soldiers with first classes.

          And so far, without a thorough investigation by the Russian Defense Ministry, I am not at all obliged to believe that the launch was unintentional.

          PS2 Israel don't justify in no way, but one must be prepared for such situations in advance!
          1. KERMET
            KERMET 19 September 2018 09: 57
            +6
            And it seems to me that under these angry accusations of the Israelis, those guilty of the MO will not be punished again ..
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 19 September 2018 11: 14
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            Therefore, they can shoot rockets in the flight zone of RUSSIAN aircraft ?! What's wrong with you?

            Very good question! When an enemy attack occurs in the flight zone of a friendly country, it turns out you can’t defend yourself? Moreover, Russian planes during Israeli attacks, as it turned out, are still they didn’t fly there!

            When they shoot at you or attack you, you can easily lose sight of the fact that there may be a "restricted" zone. It was the Jews (who acted in the Jewish way!) Who used this zone to attack. Konashenkov and Shoigu, unlike you, understand this very well, and place the blame directly on Israel. There were no official reproaches about the guilt of the Syrian troops. It is understandable! The Syrians had no intention of shooting down the Russian plane.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 September 2018 19: 50
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              When an enemy attack occurs in the flight zone of a friendly country, it turns out you can’t defend yourself?

              of course not! In order not to bring down YOURSELF.
              Quote: Stas157
              When you are shot or attacked, you can easily overlookthat there may be a "forbidden" zone.

              Nonsense: One cannot miss such: before an attack (even in the air, even on the ground) ALWAYS clarify their positions in order to prevent damage.
              Quote: Stas157
              Konashenkov and Shoigu, unlike you, understand this perfectly, and lay the blame directly on Israel. There were no official reproaches about the guilt of the Syrian troops. It is understandable! The Syrians had no intention of shooting down a Russian plane.

              They also stated that an INVESTIGATION would be carried out. Syrians shot down a plane and check them obliged fully and thoroughly.
              I am 100% sure that there is an agreement between Russia and Syria that missile launches without Russian sanction in that area-It is not possible and information about the Russian planes in advance Syria is provided. And this is done precisely to avoid such tragedies.
              Why didn’t it work? this should be the result of the investigation.

              PS Do you seriously think that Syria had the right launch missiles in the area of ​​our air base without the approval of the Ross. military? belay
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 19 September 2018 12: 58
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            2. The Russian officers had a minute after the notification of Israel, but did they spend it on LINK with Syrian air defense with a warning about IL?

            I’m just wondering, have you ever been on combat duty yourself to give assessments, what can be done in a minute?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 19 September 2018 16: 23
              +2
              Yes, nothing to do in a minute. Most likely the Syrians aimed the missile at the F-16, but the missile homing head already during the flight captured another, more noticeable target - our Il.
              The question is different, how long Putin will flirt with the Jews and Turks, it's time to talk to them differently. After all, until recently everyone was sure that there would be an attack on Idlib, and suddenly Erdogan sent his troops there and that’s all, khan to our plans. Why pulled offensive? Now you can’t touch Idlib - this is definitely our failure.
              1. saigon
                saigon 19 September 2018 17: 34
                +3
                Guessing for a long time I would like to hear the opinion of those who commanded the battery or the battalion of these 200, I hope there are such on our website.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 19 September 2018 19: 10
                +1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Most likely the Syrians aimed the missile at the F-16, but the missile homing head already during the flight captured another, more noticeable target - our Il.

                I also think so, and this is the most realistic version of why it was impossible to do something.
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                After all, until recently everyone was sure that there would be an attack on Idlib, and suddenly Erdogan sent his troops there and that’s all, khan to our plans. Why pulled offensive?

                I think that our military leadership is well aware of what the Syrian army is like, and therefore, so that our troops would not be left to save the Syrians, they decided that it would be better to wait. And so many cones have already filled up in Syria that it is time to be more careful in assessing the duration of this conflict.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 September 2018 19: 57
              +2
              Quote: ccsr
              I’m just wondering if you yourself have ever been on combat duty so that give grades, what the minute can i do

              belay I have NO assessment and the volume of what needs to be done in a minute.
              The question was different: they tried whether contact the Syrians in this minute?
              Differences, don’t you see?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 19 September 2018 20: 04
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                The question was different: did you try to contact the Syrians in this minute?
                Differences, don’t you see?

                There was a contingency that did not match the one when the Israelis informed in advance, with enough time to take the necessary measures. In case of any emergency, first of all they report to their boss, and only then they act as he orders. That is why the minutes were not enough to report and develop a solution ..
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 September 2018 06: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  . In case of any emergency, first of all they report to your boss and then they act as he orders. That is why the minutes were not enough to report and develop a solution ..

                  1. Did Israel warn a soldier on the phone?

                  2. This is not about the DECISION about retaliatory actions, but about the WARNING of the Syrians about our plane - for this no decision of the authorities is needed.
                  Not even a warning, but a REMINDER about our plane, for I am sure that the Syrians were provided with information about it in advance, as well as about all flights of our planes there.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    1. Did Israel warn a soldier on the phone?

                    Do you even understand what an emergency situation is, and how is an official obliged to act in such a situation so as not to break firewood?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    This is not about the DECISION on retaliatory actions, but about the WARNING of the Syrians about our plane - for this no decision of the authorities is needed.

                    And what if, at the highest level, this operation of the Israelis was coordinated by senior chiefs, who, in the event of an emergency situation, had to give a command to do something or do nothing? You just do not understand what a "emergency situation" is, which is why you think that the operational duty officer could take responsibility without notifying his boss. And this does not happen - this is prescribed in the job description. At least it was like that in the Soviet Army, as it is now, I don't know.
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 19 September 2018 20: 12
                -2
                So I’m racking my brains. On official terms, from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the dispatcher received a warning 21 59, and the plane was shot down in 22 07. Well, eight minutes was not enough to get in touch with the Syrian fighters (even minus half a minute for the missile to arrive). I don’t know, maybe it takes 30 minutes to do this, well, for now, yes.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Shahno
                  By officialdom

                  Whose "official" and whose dispatcher?
            3. merkava-2bet
              merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 21: 25
              -6
              In modern air defense systems, a minute is an eternity, and in missile defense it is infinity.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 47
                0
                Quote: merkava-2bet
                -4
                In modern air defense systems, a minute is an eternity, and in missile defense it is infinity.

                Complete nonsense - the case of Korean Boeing and Rust suggests otherwise. I can give another example with a Soviet plane crashed in Belgium without a pilot.
          4. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 19 September 2018 15: 38
            -2
            Defenders of Israel that supports the terrorists, and without the citizens of Israel enough. Now Putin and Shoigu are personally accused of this meanness.
          5. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 21: 21
            -5
            I respect the impartiality and faith in facts and arguments.
    4. Kent0001
      Kent0001 19 September 2018 11: 40
      +4
      No, everything is fine ... for the Jews. For them, apart from them beloved, no one exists. Therefore, all of their motions, pure window dressing, they do not worry about our dead guys ... only unlike us, they punish their dead soldiers (and not only) .....
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 19 September 2018 15: 39
        +1
        You are wrong, except for the Israelites for the Jews there is a large overseas host.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 19 September 2018 16: 29
          +1
          This is true, if there weren’t the USA, where would Israel be now?
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 21: 27
            -8
            In the same places as now, only the Sinai Peninsula would be ours, and not Egypt.
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    5. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 19 September 2018 20: 46
      +2
      Idiocy should not be confused with planned murder. And the main culprits in the murder of our citizens and the shot down of the latest reconnaissance aircraft - the government of the Russian Federation, which allowed and allowed the Israeli Air Force to fearlessly bomb Syria, the S-300s were always silent ... So they became impudent until they got to the point of killing Russian soldiers. The pro-Israel government of the Russian Federation called it a misfortune and a coincidence of circumstances, reminds Kursk .- “she drowned” .., now, by coincidence, “he fell” It seems that in the Russian Federation, the leadership is like pro-Israel lobbyists (many Israeli passports need to be worked out) ... ...
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 21 September 2018 11: 21
      +1
      Yeah. At least Netankhu called Putin and sent military experts to Moscow with extensive materials on the matter. But Assad didn't even call and "lay down" without explaining why their air defense personnel did not consider our IL .. winked
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 19 September 2018 05: 08
    0
    Heroic Israeli pilots
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 September 2018 05: 38
      +7
      Quote: Conductor
      Heroic Israeli pilots

      well, they probably drank champagne ... sad
      1. Russia
        Russia 19 September 2018 06: 10
        +18
        In their textbooks will enter their "indirect victory", but in our opinion, from the sly.
        1. Opera
          Opera 19 September 2018 09: 39
          +20
          Quote: Rusland
          In their textbooks will enter their "indirect victory", but in our opinion, out of tishka.

          In our opinion, this is called Judah's sin! Warn about striking in less than a minute, when our pilots could not do anything to get out of the line of fire is a meanness extreme. They didn’t violate the type of information exchange agreement? They warned ... in 50 seconds! For Jews and for some commentators, this is military prowess. We all know that this is cowardice and treachery! Can military valor stand in the same row with meanness? The Israeli pilots, those who ordered them, sympathize with them, including and here it CAN! Well then. There is such a thing as red lines. The Israelites crossed them.
          To many comrades under red flags holding an "interesting" position here, to put it mildly, I would like to recall one episode of wars in the region that occurred on July 30, 1970, when the Israeli Air Force shot down 5 Soviet MiG-21s. Then in Israel they also decided that it was time to teach the Soviets a lesson and ... they prepared very well for this! Operation Rimon 20 was a carefully planned trap! Our planes were shot down within 3 minutes. However, the Jews did not stop there. Israeli authors wrote that the Egyptians allegedly laughed looking at the Soviet pilots. and Nasser allegedly issued an order prohibiting his servicemen from laughing at Soviet instructors!
          Why am I all this? We must very clearly know who we are dealing with! We do not have that different mentality - we have it from different universes! Netanyahu's grief following all this baseness is nothing but the same low and arrogant cynicism!
          What was all this ?! And it’s very simple - FINISHED FINALLY AND SHOWED US OUR PLACE! Speaking simply and frankly! What do we need to do? Yes, everything is the same - to show the insolent as objectively under which stone they crawl and not show up from there until they start to forget about them. This is just the case when living with wolves howl like a wolf! For this we have both strengths and opportunities. I will say more - we have very narrow-minded professionals for this. And of course, I R A N is a sovereign country! We can’t influence him ?! We are not a decree to Iran ?!
          And the last - Israel Russia is not an ally! Not even an situational ally! Israel's actions are hostile!
          1. KERMET
            KERMET 19 September 2018 10: 03
            +9
            If everyone has heard so much about the villainy of the Israelites, then why were they so careless? What did they expect the Israelis to warn in an hour? So that they, in turn, were shot down? There is war if that, and not knightly fights. I personally have a bunch of unpleasant questions for our MO, and not for Israel
            1. Opera
              Opera 19 September 2018 10: 13
              +14
              Yes?! We are at war with Israel ?! We tried to negotiate with them ... Normal people, you know, sometimes agree, and do not poke them in the back with knives. The Israeli negotiability turned out to be very specific ... If it is considered normal to warn 50 seconds before the events begin, we will bear in mind that in turn we can warn 5 and even after that we can warn. We also have our own mentality. People say that it’s better late than never ... Well, here we have the national color. Let the Jews get acquainted with Russian features. And they say we harness for a long time, but drive fast! I also don’t know if this is good for Jews or bad ?! Just a note.
          2. Katyusha
            Katyusha 19 September 2018 14: 39
            +2
            And the last - Israel Russia is not an ally!

            And now no one is an ally to anyone. Even the same states of Israel. Kissinger pearls cite this topic, or are you up to date?
            In such situations, the first to lose are hysterics and self-confident fools.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 19 September 2018 15: 42
              0
              Yes, Israel SGA is not an ally, but only a meek executor of orders. Any orders.
          3. Vovanya
            Vovanya 19 September 2018 17: 54
            +1
            A Jewish acquaintance said that in terms of revenge, Jews are significantly superior even to Chechens, and given their natural meanness and ingenuity, their revenge turns out to be very cruel and vile in its essence. What we have. We must remember where we were "guilty" before Israel. In the meantime, the score is 14: 0 in Israel's favor ...
            1. merkava-2bet
              merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 22: 22
              -6
              You can castrate your Jewish acquaintance, as a real Jew and Israeli, I allow you to burn him in Hell for such insults, any nation can be adapted to the standards of your acquaintance (Jew) without problems, and racism may be enough, the forum is military and not religious National.
              1. Vovanya
                Vovanya 19 September 2018 22: 55
                +2
                Quote: merkava-2bet
                You can castrate your Jewish acquaintance

                Even your bloodthirstiness (a joke) is manifested in this, too late, has already given birth. But I admit that somewhere he lied, especially with regard to himself, but there are some unsightly facts of your revenge, for example, after the Olympics in Munich, you did not let the terrorists take their course by gravity - you destroyed them all (most likely, right), but laws you had to catch and condemn them.
                Quote: merkava-2bet
                without noticing your mistakes (that is, MO)

                Here I agree - there are "local excesses", tk. our MO is a somewhat civilian man, as an organizer somewhere he is good, but somewhere he does not understand some things at all, for example, conferring the rank of lieutenant general on his assistant, a young journalist Kitaeva. You can only twirl your finger at the temple. I believe that such specialists as she are half of the General Staff.
          4. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 22: 16
            -3
            Under the USSR, there was a method of hacking, for which Soviet soldiers and officers died, but Russia was not the USSR, people began to believe the tales and color drawings of the General Staff of Russia, and on the basis of this, universal hatred of everyone is born, without even noticing their mistakes (i.e. MO).
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 51
              -1
              Quote: merkava-2bet
              Under the USSR, there was a method of hatred, for which Soviet soldiers and officers perished,

              And that Israeli officers and soldiers did not die during Israeli adventures? Do you have any complaints about your power, only against the Soviet ones?
        2. Vittt
          Vittt 20 September 2018 15: 26
          -2
          Well, if you are Rusland - write "surreptitiously", please.
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      3. Stas157
        Stas157 19 September 2018 08: 07
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        well, they probably drank champagne ...

        Will they draw an asterisk on airplanes?
      4. Kent0001
        Kent0001 19 September 2018 11: 41
        0
        One hundred poods. And no less than "Madame Clicquot".
    2. sagitch
      sagitch 19 September 2018 06: 09
      +5
      Under the trial of these heroes and all who organized the provocation, to Russia.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 19 September 2018 06: 55
        +6
        Quote: sagitch
        Under the trial of these heroes and all who organized the provocation, to Russia.

        What did the Jews do after the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics? Maybe the same answer.
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 September 2018 07: 28
        -26
        Quote: sagitch
        Under the trial of these heroes and all who organized the provocation, to Russia.

        Baby talk, provocation - how can the disorderlessness and mildness of some be possible - to expose others as a provocation.
        Why the hell is the Israeli air force asked to be covered with silt?
        They uncomplicatedly bomb Syria by 5 once a week, but the fact that a complete mess like in the interaction between the air defense of Syria and the VKS is understandable - what the hell does the air defense of Syria do in the zone of responsibility of the air defense of the VKS?
        Why a Syrian missile can destroy a VKS plane, who took silt for escort - it was written in Russian in white - silt was hit when Israeli f-16 were in Israel.
        No need to bring down from the head to a healthy head.
        VKS did not know where which aircraft?
        1. asv363
          asv363 19 September 2018 08: 42
          +11
          Quote: atalef
          Why the hell is the Israeli Air Force asking to be covered by silt? They uncomplicatedly kill Syria 5 times a week.

          I am sure that now your bacchanalia of unpunished attacks in Syria will end.

          Quote: atalef
          it was written in Russian in white - silt was shot down when the Israeli f-16s were in Israel

          Yes, at least write on your forehead - there is no trust in your words.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 21: 37
            -6
            As well as to your words.
        2. Roman Skomorokhov
          19 September 2018 08: 58
          +16
          Quote: atalef
          Why the hell is the Israeli air force asked to be covered with silt?


          Another question: why not? And yet, the Israeli planes were on a parallel course. This, of course, "goes down", right?

          Quote: atalef
          They seamlessly syombia on 5 once a week


          Yes, there is.

          Quote: atalef
          it was written in Russian and in white — the silt was shot down when the Israeli f-16 were in Israel.


          Quietly, it was written by YOU, so it is also "numbered".

          But there is the most important question: if everything is so kosher, why did the infa about the attack come in a minute? This, Alexander, brings down all your thoughts about how Israel has always been right. Alas. Hid, a fact.
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 September 2018 09: 22
            -15
            Quote: Banshee
            why did infa about the attack come in a minute? This, Alexander, brings down all your thoughts about how Israel always behaves correctly. Alas. Hid

            Have you ever seen a VX attack by an Israeli air force? I don’t even know what the answer is worse in this case - they saw it or did not see it.
            Why they warned in a minute - perhaps they always warn. Not in an hour to warn, but a minute is a lot in modern combat and for air defense the same thing.
            As for the parallel course - are there proofs?
            Can you tell me that the planes were close by, at the same height and were moving at the same speed?
            You want to say that Syria’s air defense did not track the IL before the attack, did not know about its existence?
            Although judging by the map and the stories, he had been spinning eights off the coast for a long time.
            Neither Syria’s air defense nor the Russian Air Force knew all of this; they did not see the approach of 4-km f-16.
            Doesn't the EW plane and radar intelligence have? Nobody probably remembers that the aerospace forces are in the combat zone, there are no NATO aircraft and ships around?
            Neither Syrian air defense shot down IL?
            Maybe enough from a sore head to a healthy one?
            With the VKS, that the Syrian air defenses need to ask 1000 questions.
            But Shoigu quickly made a speech in order to hide the jambs of the Moscow Region.
            1. malyvalv
              malyvalv 19 September 2018 09: 40
              +13
              There was an agreement to prevent incidents of this kind. To gather to bomb the bases in the immediate vicinity of our airdrome and not to warn in advance this crime is a direct violation of this agreement. Actually, this is the essence and consequences for Israel precisely for violation of this treaty. I really hope that the Iranians in Syria will soon have the S-300. And even better Caliber with Iskander. Since the previous agreement with Israel on the refusal of military assistance to Iran can be considered terminated.
            2. Dashout
              Dashout 19 September 2018 10: 11
              +11
              Quote: atalef
              You tell me before that ...

              Quote: atalef
              Maybe enough from a sore head to a healthy one?

              Well, it’s clear who is sitting behind the mask ... Your babble is unconvincing!
            3. Roman Skomorokhov
              19 September 2018 13: 41
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              Have you ever seen a VX attack by an Israeli air force? I don’t even know what the answer is worse in this case - they saw it or did not see it.


              It seems that yours flew on TB-3, "you could see the attack." If I had never seen an airstrike in my life (okay, during an exercise, but nevertheless), which lasts for seconds, honestly, I would be silent in a rag.

              Quote: atalef
              Why warned in a minute - perhaps it is always forewarned. Not in an hour to warn


              The area of ​​guesswork and all sorts of "maybe" is not kosher in this situation.

              Quote: atalef
              a minute is a lot in modern combat, and for air defense the same.


              Only not for a motor-coffin with a top speed in 650 km / h.

              Quote: atalef
              With the VKS, that the Syrian air defenses need to ask 1000 questions.


              I agree. Even the 1001 question, because they really are.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 19 September 2018 19: 15
                +1
                Quote: Banshee
                Only not for a motor-coffin with a top speed in 650 km / h.

                The speed of the aircraft in this case does not play any role whatsoever - everything rests on the actions of the operational duty officer whom the Israelis called and who has been spelled out in the instructions what he should do. And as usual, the first place is always the report to the boss, who will give the command how to act.
            4. Old anecdote
              Old anecdote 19 September 2018 13: 59
              +12
              Quote: atalef
              a minute is a lot in modern combat, and for air defense the same.

              smile I was always envious of people who know how to carry bullshit with a smart look. Firstly, it is not known what they warned about and whom they warned: Moscow or the command on the spot. Secondly, try to take information in a minute (for example, in Moscow), analyze it, pass it on below, analyze it there, contact the Syrians, decide to give orders and execute them. In these conditions, try to remove IL from the glide path in a minute. You are in this business a complete zero, do not understand anything and do not know. Whistler, in a word. winked
            5. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 19 September 2018 15: 45
              0
              I hope that the MoE will respond to Israel in the same spirit. More painful. And imagine it as a chain of chance. And we read your comments.
        3. Hire
          Hire 19 September 2018 13: 00
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Why the hell is the Israeli air force asked to be covered with silt?

          In order not to be shot down. And the second task is to try to expose the IL to attack (in fact, passenger aircraft).
          Quote: atalef
          What the hell is Syria’s air defense doing in the Air Defense Forces?

          Protect your territory. What the hell are Israeli planes doing in Syrian airspace? Gangsters. Apparently, Basayev learned to hide behind defenseless ...
          Quote: atalef
          silt was hit when the Israeli f-16s were in Israeli territory.

          Where is the confirmation of this? Framed and scurried to him. Purely Jewish: hit from around the corner and substitute another.
          Quote: atalef
          No need to bring down from the head to a healthy head.

          So do not bring down. Do not bounce and do not wobble your ass.
        4. Monos
          Monos 19 September 2018 13: 21
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          They seamlessly syombia on 5 once a week

          Now, apparently, they won’t. smile Themselves ran into the supply of C-300 to Syria. Now all the arrangements in the furnace. I wonder who is it that you have such a shkodnik that buried all the efforts of Bibi? And from whom did he receive money for this? In general, we are dealing with typical Jewry. The most vile sense.
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 19 September 2018 05: 20
    +35
    With all countries, Russia had both enmity and friendship. Besides Israel. It has never been and will not be a reliable friend in economic or even military relations. They are ready to strike a blow in the back at any time. So it was in Egypt, it became in Syria, and it will be so in the future. Someone who does not understand this will always suffer losses. This lesson I learned well from my commander in his youth. A military adviser-mediator in Syria, who went through the war with them and in Egypt.
    1. Examenatornick
      Examenatornick 19 September 2018 06: 47
      +11
      Friendship in geopolitics does not exist at all.
    2. atalef
      atalef 19 September 2018 07: 30
      -23
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      With all countries, Russia had both enmity and friendship. Besides Israel. It has never been and will not be a reliable friend in economic or even military relations. They are ready to strike a blow in the back at any time. So it was in Egypt, it became in Syria, and it will be so in the future. Someone who does not understand this will always suffer losses. This lesson I learned well from my commander in his youth. A military adviser-mediator in Syria, who went through the war with them and in Egypt.

      Whose cow would moo - especially about Egypt and Syria
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    3. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 07: 48
      -33
      Until now, Israel has not violated the agreements with Russia, and only Israel complies with all the conditions, and we did not speak with Syria, since Assad Sr. and Assad present have never kept their word and did not comply with the treaties, the Arab mentality, and the faster it is Russia will understand all the better for it, or it will work out like with Egypt in 1974. If Israel wanted to bring down VKS planes, then it would do it dozens of times, more than once VKS planes flew into Israeli airspace, and there was nothing, but also time the Syrian Chkalov flew to us and his Su-22M4 was shot down, which is , he flew out of the sub, with a bluff, Russia is not coming with us.
      Regarding the fact that Israel stabbed in the back, seriously, and the fact that the Ukrainian Slav brothers, that's what President V.V. Putin calls them, shot down the Boeing MN-17 and has been trying to hang it on Russia for four years now, like normal, and " bosom "friends of the Turks, defiantly shoot down the Su-24M, in broad daylight, brazenly and openly, here is a blow to the back.
      They write that the Israeli Air Force aircraft covered themselves with an Il-20 plane, bullshit, the Israeli Air Force developed electronic warfare systems with different carriers and a level higher than that of the airborne forces, if they had to be exchanged for the full extent, so that not a single rocket took off, and not that such an atavism and anachronism like the S-200.
      But the Syrians and Egyptians more than once shot down their friends and strangers, especially in the Yom Kippur War, shot at everything that flies, we conclude that the Syrian air defense systems are poorly prepared, many years of internal conflict as well as outdated systems make themselves felt.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        19 September 2018 08: 59
        +11
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        With regard to the fact that Israel struck in the back, seriously, and the fact that the Ukrainian Slavic brothers, President Putin calls them that way, the Boeing MH-17 shot them down and for four years they have been trying to hang it on Russia


        Be in charge of your business, ok?
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          1. BAI
            BAI 19 September 2018 09: 45
            +8
            Libyan Boeing 727 over Ismalia in 1973 who shot down? and who sincerely apologized after that?
            1. merkava-2bet
              merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 11: 36
              -6
              As the co-pilot subsequently stated, the crew understood that the airliner was over the Sinai desert a few minutes before the crash, but did not land at the air base because of tense relations between Libya and Israel [6]. At first, Israel denied any guilt in the crash, but on February 24, data from flight recorders and recordings of negotiations between the crew and the dispatcher were released. Then the Israeli military recognized the destruction of the airliner, and David Elazar, chief of the Israeli Defense Forces general staff, took full responsibility for the order to attack the civilian aircraft. 30 ICAO participating companies voted to condemn Israel, the United States abstained from condemnation, and the UN found no reason for any sanctions against the country. Subsequently, the Israeli authorities paid compensation to the victims and relatives of the victims [3] [5].
              1. BAI
                BAI 19 September 2018 13: 04
                +1
                Recognized when pressed. Is that sincere?
                1. Rurikovich
                  Rurikovich 19 September 2018 13: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: BAI
                  Recognized when pressed. Is that sincere?

                  For them along the way yes lol Are they Jews? request
          2. Roman Skomorokhov
            19 September 2018 13: 43
            +4
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            We will answer only when you are lazy again, do not forget to apologize, sincerely.


            It is unlikely that you will live to the moment when I have to apologize to you.
      2. Dashout
        Dashout 19 September 2018 10: 14
        +15
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        So far, Israel has not violated agreements with Russia

        and to warn in a minute - is this by agreement?
      3. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 19 September 2018 11: 20
        +5
        the Israeli Air Force has developed electronic warfare systems with different carriers and a level higher than that of the airborne forces, if they had to be flashed to the fullest, so that not a single rocket took off, and not that such atavism and anachronism like the S-200
        That is why, quite recently, the Syrians shot down your F-16 with the same "atavism" that your "advanced electronic warfare systems" did not work even then?
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 11: 33
          -4
          They didn’t bring down, but damaged, the car crashed in Israel. The crew made a mistake, and this was recognized by the Israeli Ministry of Defense, we made conclusions. Moreover, the first combat loss of the aircraft in 30 years of constant collisions, draw conclusions.
          1. Borisovich
            Borisovich 19 September 2018 12: 14
            +12
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            Not shot down, but damaged

            And much, that, then damaged?
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            the car fell in Israel.

            So it all the same fell !? And why did it fall? From what hurt? Or how?
            Quote: merkava-2bet
            The crew made a mistake

            That is, she, the car, was damaged, then the plane flew, summer, summer ...... and once ....... the crew suddenly made a mistake .....
            Well done and that's it.
            Yes, they just shot down your plane, and the pilots were able to reach their territory and that’s all. And then they made a mistake. You yourself are not funny.
            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              19 September 2018 13: 47
              +5
              Like the Americans: while you can tear a plane into your territory with a stuffed animal or carcass, it is not shot down.
    4. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 23: 48
      -3
      The USSR and now Russia have always been weak politically and diplomatically in the Middle East, and in the "dashing 90s" it was practically absent altogether, it is not for nothing that they say (the East is a delicate matter), about reliable friends, no one has them a priori, there are business partners and temporary allies, earlier in 1950-60 there were also ideological ones, but those times are gone.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 20 September 2018 11: 53
        -1
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        but those days are gone.

        We have now entrusted you with the fight against international terrorism, but the results are still not visible, unfortunately.
  4. sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 September 2018 05: 23
    -19
    With what fright will a two-hundredth missile on a combat course go to a larger object? Do you know the principles of the air defense complex? What expert said such nonsense? Local "marshal"?
    1. domokl
      domokl 19 September 2018 05: 30
      +29
      Isn’t it easier to read about the homing head of this complex than to ask questions?
    2. kenig1
      kenig1 19 September 2018 05: 48
      +7
      You hurried and made fun. Just like in 2001, Ukrainians shot down a Tu-154 over the Black Sea.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 19 September 2018 06: 09
        -11
        Quote: kenig1
        You hurried and made fun. Just like in 2001, Ukrainians shot down a Tu-154 over the Black Sea.


        Well, I don’t know who, after such phrases, who made fun of and where to hurry? Where did you get the knowledge about the S-200 complex? From wikipedia? They taught me how to handle it in an educational institution. Not at school in NVP classes. Do you have anything to do with air defense?
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 06: 20
          +2
          Which year is better to check immediately.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 19 September 2018 08: 11
            -1
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            Which year is better to check immediately.


            Two hundredth? 88-90
        2. kenig1
          kenig1 19 September 2018 08: 07
          +4
          In the OA of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation since 2001. until 2003 he studied, with the teachers of the air defense department considered this tragedy with the Tu-154.
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            19 September 2018 09: 03
            +3
            Serezha, calm down. It is clear that you are still the eksprtische nonetheless. Take care of your nerves.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 19 September 2018 11: 11
              0
              Quote: Banshee
              Serezha, calm down. It is clear that you are still the eksprtische nonetheless. Take care of your nerves.


              I do not understand that so pseudo-patriots are excited. The complex is old. Principles of working on a goal are known. Twice-two are four. You can, of course, say five. As in Primorye, for example. But the point?
              1. Katyusha
                Katyusha 19 September 2018 15: 01
                +1
                With what fright will the two-hundredth missile go to a larger target on a combat course?
                In divan rocket troops, this is an axiom that does not require proof.
                Hence, in the ranks of the "queen of the fields" - continuous confusion and vacillation).
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 19 September 2018 16: 48
                  0
                  Well then explain if so smart. And at the same time explain why the target throws dipole reflectors or burning heat traps or even includes an electronic warfare station? Probably in order to knock a missile off target. And if the rocket lost its target, then why its GOS cannot capture another target? Friend, just come on no offense, explain if you're a rocket launcher.
  5. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 19 September 2018 05: 30
    +16
    This is not the first time Israel is striking the territory of a sovereign state; there is no reaction from the "progressive" countries. The Saudis are destroying Yemen. Reactions are zero. Everything is quiet and smooth. Proceeding from this, who can prevent us from striking the countries bordering our country and who has the right to condemn us? After all, if they can, then why can't we? You look and respect (or be afraid ) will be.
  6. KBACYPA
    KBACYPA 19 September 2018 05: 30
    +4
    A question that has not yet been answered. So, what is next? Russians are the most patient people. But fear the anger of the patient, for when his patience bursts, that's all. Put out the light, throw the grenade. I sometimes get a strange impression that the leadership, according to the principle "if the outrage cannot be prevented, it must be led," is simply waiting for the heat to reach its peak in order to simply direct the flow in the direction they need. Therefore, a sluggish reaction to all sorts of echoes and rains, provocations and sanctions. We are simply given an enemy, on which we will tear ourselves away from the whole breadth of the soul, and themselves will remain either behind the scenes, or in the role of "saviors of the fatherland." Maybe this is nonsense, but the impression is still there.
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 19 September 2018 05: 32
    -40
    1) Yes, yes, they were hiding behind a Russian plane. What kind of nonsense? Slowed down to 650 km per hour and followed him at a distance of 100 meters?
    2) Base Hmeimim is located at a distance of 25 km from Latakia. To the south. Warned for a minute - a criminal sloppiness, no one argues. But the Russian base saw the Israeli attack perfectly. At the same time, the plane was ordered to land, and not to leave the battle zone
    3) How did the Syrians, well aware of the presence of IL in the air, launch S-200 in his direction?
    4) How did the Syrians, seeing on the radar a huge slow-moving Il descending towards Khmeimim, opened fire on it? Confused with the F-16, or with a small ammunition or with a rocket flying with a much higher speed?
    5) According to the AOI press service, the plane was shot down at a time when the Israelis had already landed. The question is - why shoot at everything that flies, knowing full well about the Russian plane in the air?
    6) Why did the Jews hide behind Sludge from S-200, when they usually attack from heights of 200-300 meters?
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 19 September 2018 05: 40
      +2
      Good otmazyvatsya. Your fault is the point.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 September 2018 05: 54
        -27
        This is a comment on the article. I am not a representative of the IDF press service and I finished making reservists about 7 years ago. So what should I do?
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        1. asv363
          asv363 19 September 2018 06: 50
          +15
          Your military and political leadership is not to get used to lying. You are guilty.

          Not there we conducted the East-2018 exercise. It was necessary to spend in Syria, as I felt.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 54
            -21
            Quote: asv363
            Your military and political leadership is not to get used to lying. You are guilty.

            Of course. Because you said. And which ours? I'm Russian.
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 19 September 2018 10: 22
              +12
              Quote: Krasnodar
              And which ours? I'm Russian.

              to have such friends - no enemies!
            2. asv363
              asv363 19 September 2018 12: 42
              +4
              Quote: Krasnodar
              And which ours? I'm Russian.

              Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman.

              If I’m not mistaken, then you lived in Israel for 24 years, and you served there urgently (as you say, in peacetime, you were a reservist for 15 years). You have a company there. In the Krasnodar Territory, you are engaged (in words) in the vegetable business. You live there a little more than 2 and a half years.

              If I distorted the details of your biography, as well as if you refused the state of the State of Israel, I apologize.
          2. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 07: 16
            -16
            Another couch warrior.
    2. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 05: 55
      -27
      Finally, the right questions came up, or just bile and hatred.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 00
        -27
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        Finally, the right questions came up, or just bile and hatred.

        So I lived in Israel for 24 years. And Konashenkov decided to explain to the people why the Allied defended VKS shot down a Russian plane. It is clear that if it were not for the Israeli attack - and next to Khmeimim it was stupid to attack and not the topic, then the guys, blessed with their memory, would be alive. But the Syrian curvature had to be justified somehow - and voila. Like your jambs.
    3. Wizard_57
      Wizard_57 19 September 2018 06: 26
      +16
      And you count how many GBU-200 guided bomb will fly from a height of 300-39 m? For the bomb drop, the planes probably rose much higher (by the way, the maximum flight range of this bomb is 110 km when dropped from the suspension at HEIGHT - PLEASE NOTE - 10 KM!). I think that the attack on targets in Syria was from a range of kilometers (probably tens of kilometers), and this requires a significant flight altitude. Therefore, there can be no talk of dumping from such a height (200-300 m). Morality - the probability of being covered up is very high.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 34
        -27
        Quote: Wizard_57
        And you count how many GBU-200 guided bomb will fly from a height of 300-39 m? For the bomb drop, the planes probably rose much higher (by the way, the maximum flight range of this bomb is 110 km when dropped from the suspension at HEIGHT - PLEASE NOTE - 10 KM!). I think that the attack on targets in Syria was from a range of kilometers (probably tens of kilometers), and this requires a significant flight altitude. Therefore, there can be no talk of dumping from such a height (200-300 m). Morality - the probability of being covered up is very high.

        I don’t think so. Aiakov were clearly from a great height, but then the Israelis go down so as not to be substituted under the same S-200. And obviously immediately went south, i.e. towards Israel. Perhaps the courses somehow intersected, because Hmeimim is also south. It's just a routine for the Israelis - they confessed to 200 bombings of Syria, all with anti-air defense and hide behind the plane of the country on which supplies depend, incl. S-300 Syria - stupidly, firstly, there is no need - secondly. Everything is simple there - down and home.
        1. purple
          purple 19 September 2018 06: 46
          +5
          Quote: Krasnodar
          hide behind an airplane of the country on which supplies depend, incl. S-300 of Syria - stupidly, firstly, there is no need - secondly.

          The facts say otherwise, but that it was stupidity, folly, or maybe someone asked .... you have to figure it out yourself ... You must understand the fault
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 59
            -18
            Quote: purple
            Quote: Krasnodar
            hide behind an airplane of the country on which supplies depend, incl. S-300 of Syria - stupidly, firstly, there is no need - secondly.

            The facts say otherwise, but that it was stupidity, folly, or maybe someone asked .... you have to figure it out yourself ... You must understand the fault

            What are the facts? The Israelis are guilty of two things:
            1) Attack near Khmeimim - dullness
            2) What was warned a minute before the attack is a slovenial crime.
            And I live in Russia. And what about covering Ilom - what the hell are you? What for? Countering Syrian air defense is a routine, ammunition was sent from afar, then the planes descended to low altitudes and went south, home - the usual tactics of Hale Avira.
            1. purple
              purple 19 September 2018 07: 10
              +11
              Quote: Krasnodar
              1) Attack near Khmeimim - dullness
              2) What was warned a minute before the attack is a slovenial crime.
              And I live in Russia. And what about covering Ilom - what the hell are you? What for? Countering Syrian air defense is a routine, ammunition was sent from afar, then the planes descended to low altitudes and went south - the usual tactics of Hale Avira.


              Well, progress has already been partially admitted guilty of Israel ... the last remains, the Israelis bombed out from under the IL ... By the way, the speed of reaction of the American media about the fact that the Syrians shot down is astounding .... This suggests who asked to arrange this provocation ...
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 19 September 2018 07: 27
                -14
                Quote: purple


                Well, progress has already been partially admitted guilty of Israel ... the last remains, the Israelis bombed out from under the IL ... By the way, the speed of reaction of the American media about the fact that the Syrians shot down is astounding .... This suggests who asked to arrange this provocation ...

                How can I bombard barrage of ammunition from under Ila? And what can Trump, sponsored in the presidential race by a friend of Natanyagi Edelson, ask Israel to do their own harm?
                1. purple
                  purple 19 September 2018 07: 33
                  +5
                  from under Ila this does not mean 10 meters from it, just close enough ....
                  And what does Trump have to do with it? he doesn’t decide in the USA at all, and this is not the level ...
                  It’s just a reply to us from the USA for information about the Malaysian Boeing, apparently this is true about Ukrainians.
                2. milton
                  milton 19 September 2018 17: 24
                  -1
                  38 lards of military aid a good gesheft?
              2. Wolf
                Wolf 19 September 2018 13: 25
                -1
                Saglasan in full.
          2. atalef
            atalef 19 September 2018 07: 33
            -18
            Quote: purple
            Quote: Krasnodar
            hide behind an airplane of the country on which supplies depend, incl. S-300 of Syria - stupidly, firstly, there is no need - secondly.

            The facts say otherwise, but that it was stupidity, folly, or maybe someone asked .... you have to figure it out yourself ... You must understand the fault

            Yes, we are always to blame - and neither the Navy nor the air defense of Syria, as always, have anything to do with it
            1. purple
              purple 19 September 2018 07: 34
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, we are always to blame - and neither the Navy nor the air defense of Syria, as always, have anything to do with it


              Repeat
              Answer one simple question, why did they fly on a mission when the IL flew in the same area? And if you add something that was warned about the impact in 1 minute ....
              They knew perfectly well about this, that if they flew half an hour an hour later, something would have changed? I think it’s unlikely ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 September 2018 07: 44
                -12
                Quote: purple
                Quote: atalef
                Yes, we are always to blame - and neither the Navy nor the air defense of Syria, as always, have anything to do with it


                Repeat
                Answer one simple question, why did they fly on a mission when the IL flew in the same area? And if you add something that was warned about the impact in 1 minute ....
                They knew perfectly well about this, that if they flew half an hour an hour later, something would have changed? I think it’s unlikely ...

                Well, to begin with, someone always flies there, and secondly, the VKS with their 300 and 400 were supposed to see the f-16 long before the attack, then, about interaction with Syrian air defense, the Syrians are not able to depict a Russian aircraft from an Israeli one?
                Slow-moving and huge silt from f-16? Who led the target, who highlighted, who gave the command to launch, why didn’t the alien work?
                I'm not talking about the fact that silt was shot down when f-16 had already returned to the territory of Israel,
                Do not give the handshake alone as a provocation.
                1. purple
                  purple 19 September 2018 07: 59
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, to begin with, someone always flies there, and secondly, the VKS with their c300 and 400 were supposed to see f-16s long before the attack


                  Saw, but who knew what they would attack? For this, a line of interaction was created to prevent possible problems, and then they came up purely formally warning for a minute ... there is a provocation.
                  The Syrians fired at F16 and not at IL. And about the fact that they’ve already returned .... yes, there I’m flying to the territory of Israel ... this doesn’t roll
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 19 September 2018 07: 13
        -15
        And that the Israeli Air Force missiles ended, for example Delilah, which can be launched from low altitudes.
        1. purple
          purple 19 September 2018 07: 21
          +8
          Answer one simple question, why did they fly on a mission when the IL flew in the same area? And if you add something that was warned about the impact in 1 minute ....
          They knew perfectly well about this, that if they flew half an hour an hour later, something would have changed? I think it’s unlikely ... Therefore, this is a 100% provocation, and for some reason the cunning Jews were led by the United States, I don’t know what they promised them there .... but no matter how it happened to you later, you turned out to be extreme and not the Americans.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 September 2018 07: 27
          -12
          Bombed with guided bombs like
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    5. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 September 2018 09: 06
      +5
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Hmeimim base is located at a distance of 25 km from Latakia. To the south. Warned for a minute - the criminal negligence, no one argues. But the Russian base perfectly saw the Israeli attack. At the same time, the aircraft was ordered to land and not to leave the battle zone.


      Provocation or how? You stop writing here, it is clear that you are completely white and fluffy, and you can do anything. But frank rudeness like the fact that the Russian side saw your attack ... Bust, you know.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 19 September 2018 09: 21
        +2
        It is unlikely that the attack (and preparations for) was seen from the Russian side .... Why didn’t they see, this is a question. As for the Israeli side, I think that the surprise in this case was not worth the risk of fragile partnership arrangements.
        1. milton
          milton 19 September 2018 17: 31
          0
          Your planes were bothering to probe the air defense of the Aerospace Forces, but ours probably gave the order not to shine. We worked in a passive mode, so we slammed the flight of "partners"
    6. BAI
      BAI 19 September 2018 09: 31
      +7
      I believe that in the incident, primarily the fault of the leadership of the aerospace forces in Syria. If only because such a situation was not foreseen and there were no plans to stop it. If the situation had been foreseen, the plane would not have been lost. Of course, it is impossible to foresee everything. But Israel, in the literal sense of the word, attacked Syria 200 times. One does not have to be Nostradamus in order to foresee that sooner or later Israeli and Russian planes will appear in the sky at the same time and even in one place.
      What general's epaulettes came up with for what? To whom much has been given, much is being asked.
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    7. Dashout
      Dashout 19 September 2018 10: 18
      +9
      Quote: Krasnodar
      What kind of nonsense?

      another conspiratorial ...
    8. ccsr
      ccsr 19 September 2018 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      3) How did the Syrians, well aware of the presence of IL in the air, launch S-200 in his direction?

      What makes you think that they report to the Syrians for the flights of our scouts, especially taking into account the fact that there are recruited agents in the Syrian army?
      Quote: Krasnodar
      4) How did the Syrians, seeing on the radar a huge slow-moving Il descending towards Khmeimim, opened fire on it?

      Just as the Ukrainian military shot down Tu over the Black Sea during the exercises, and not even military operations.
      Quote: Krasnodar
      6) Why did the Jews hide behind Sludge from S-200, when they usually attack from heights of 200-300 meters?

      And they don’t have idiots there, and therefore, when they plan a provocation, they calculate not only the routes of our aircraft, but also the changes during flights, so as not to be hit by our airborne forces, which could in such a situation bring down a couple of Israeli aircraft even outside Syria. The Americans help them with this - it's like two fingers on the asphalt ...
    9. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 September 2018 16: 52
      0
      "The Russian base saw the Israeli attack very well" - but I'm not sure what I saw, because the detection range depends on the height of the target, and the Jews could fly very low above the sea surface.
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  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 September 2018 05: 34
    -4
    Quote: domokl
    Isn’t it easier to read about the homing head of this complex than to ask questions?


    Did you offer this to yourself? How will the GOS tracking a target on three (three, Karl) channels switch to another target?
    1. user1212
      user1212 19 September 2018 06: 18
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Did you offer this to yourself? How will the GOS tracking a target on three (three, Karl) channels switch to another target?

      IMHO it is more likely that the KP of the Syrians did not receive a signal from the defendant "their own" because of the work of the Israeli electronic warfare. Syrian C200 is a bit old and does not cope well with such an impact
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 19 September 2018 08: 15
        0
        Quote: user1212
        Quote: sergo1914
        Did you offer this to yourself? How will the GOS tracking a target on three (three, Karl) channels switch to another target?

        IMHO it is more likely that the KP of the Syrians did not receive a signal from the defendant "their own" because of the work of the Israeli electronic warfare. Syrian C200 is a bit old and does not cope well with such an impact


        Then the Syrians were supposed to aim at the IL. What was the purpose?
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 06: 19
      +2
      There were two, when three became that?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 19 September 2018 08: 13
        +3
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        There were two, when three became that?


        Range, speed, frequency ... Oops. Really two
        PS s - Sarcasm
  10. mvd ru
    mvd ru 19 September 2018 05: 46
    +3
    Who is the "entourage" of the "king" and what are the names? Will be hushed up over time, if not for the loss of the plane, would there have been some kind of bombing of the ally's territory? And they would have kept silent for the second time, despite the fact that the strikes are getting closer to our bases, but then a tragedy happened, and even the Jews humiliated Vladimir, sent some kind of "green bespectacled young woman" instead of the ambassador, so he got a little angry
  11. soul
    soul 19 September 2018 05: 47
    +3
    What kind of response do you expect from the political leadership whose children live abroad? In fact, it was not the Israelis who set up the military, but our politicians, placing them in unequal conditions.
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    1. Fungus
      Fungus 19 September 2018 06: 13
      -6
      Well done! We must forget about IL 20 and tryndet about pensions everywhere. Well, the logic of hamsters ....
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 19 September 2018 06: 18
      +7
      You’re talking frank nonsense, by golly ... no words
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 September 2018 05: 53
    +10
    "And considering that an unarmed scout was shot down, we will call it frankly and openly - murder."
    And this is not the first murder from "partners" and their "democratic opposition". There were AN-26s, there was a convoy near Deir ez-Zor. This martyrology of machines and people is regularly lengthened.
    So far, people are asking the question of what the money, the children and the affairs of the elite of our state do in the countries involved in the murder. Soon there will be no one to ask this question. The passionaries will be knocked out, the rest will be intimidated by the "musketeers" or simply, as yesterday, they will be deceived.
  14. soul
    soul 19 September 2018 06: 03
    +4
    And one more thing: can anyone explain why the French frigate fired? After all, the "blow of righteous retribution" was promised after the staged "chemical attack" was carried out, which has not yet happened?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 09
      -13
      Not the fact that he shot. The Israelis most likely launched an attack + - from its coordinates. There is a mess - a lot of ships, planes, military - all these are several countries. And the Syrians, who are awesome from all this.
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 19 September 2018 06: 20
      +15
      Quote: alma
      Why on earth did a French frigate shoot?

      The French denied this news. They didn’t shoot at all, ours confirmed. The Jews killed the Syrians vilely, brazenly and impudently, despising all the laws of peaceful coexistence and friendship. I still can’t understand why we don’t answer them, which are adequate to their behavior infuriated by someone else’s animal blood.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 42
        -21
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Quote: alma
        Why on earth did a French frigate shoot?

        The French denied this news. They didn’t shoot at all, ours confirmed. The Jews killed the Syrians vilely, brazenly and impudently, despising all the laws of peaceful coexistence and friendship. I still can’t understand why we don’t answer them, which are adequate to their behavior infuriated by someone else’s animal blood.

        1) Jews beat Iranian targets
        2) There has been a war since 1948, and Syria began with its Social-Nationalist Party and fugitive Nazis from Germany, who were then army habiers in the SAR. So there was no friendship and coexistence on the Arab initiative
        3) The Russian Federation has a number of its interests there and the Arab-Israeli conflict is not particularly interested in it
        4) Now, for complete happiness, it is not enough to cling to Israel as well. There is a lot of money, people too.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 19 September 2018 07: 07
          +9
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Now, for complete happiness, it is not enough to cling to Israel as well. There is a lot of money, people too.

          Will you take the same position in a street fight? Let rape just not beat? Yes, and you Jews are somehow not embarrassed to whip everyone in a row without trial or investigation, not to teach you, and talk about money. The fact that the world is on the verge of a great war has long been known to everyone, as well as the fact that the Russian Federation delays it, but all patience comes to an end. And this is not your first time crossing the red line.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 19 September 2018 07: 20
            -10
            Quote: Sirocco

            Will you take the same position in a street fight? Let rape just not beat? Yes, and you Jews are somehow not embarrassed to whip everyone in a row without trial or investigation, not to teach you, and talk about money. The fact that the world is on the verge of a great war has long been known to everyone, as well as the fact that the Russian Federation delays it, but all patience comes to an end. And this is not your first time crossing the red line.

            Israel is beating neighbors without trial, because this is his way of surviving in a region where Bosco cut each other and mow tens of thousands for political views. Street - there you need to embed to immobilize, and then flow until help to the adversary comes or takes you to a mobile phone. )))
            Red line - for Israel, this is Iran in Syria. For the Russian Federation, this is the death of their military personnel. Unfortunately, the guys died during the Jewish attack, but at the hands of their not-so-qualified allies. And about the fraud all this.
        2. Roman Skomorokhov
          19 September 2018 13: 52
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          1) Jews beat Iranian targets

          Iranian? Goals? In Latakia? Under the noses of our base?

          ... I will urgently buy five foil caps and a mental protective helmet.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 September 2018 16: 16
            0
            Quote: Banshee

            Iranian? Goals? In Latakia? Under the noses of our base?

            ... I will urgently buy five foil caps and a mental protective helmet.


            Yes, and they are many. The Iranians in Syria have their own interests, and they sharply disagree with the Russian
  15. sagitch
    sagitch 19 September 2018 06: 05
    +5
    To demand the transfer to our country of all the persons through whose fault 15 of our children died, and to judge them in Russia and put them here, since they claim that this is an accident.
    - For accidentally beat fiercely. I recalled from childhood.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 14
      -19
      Assad will give out. If this is not the Alawites from his family - but Latakia is an Alawite city.
      1. purple
        purple 19 September 2018 06: 39
        +6
        What about Israel? Those pilots who intentionally substituted IL with their maneuvers? Will give out?
        And there is no need to tell fairy tales here about the fact that they have nothing to do with, they knew that this could happen .... or it might not happen, but they still intentionally went for it. And you have to answer for it
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 September 2018 06: 48
          -12
          I do not think that the Israeli pilots are to blame for the brainlessness and curvature of the Syrians. And what kind of nonsense - with what maneuvers can a light and small fighter force an air defense commander to shoot at a large low-speed aircraft belonging to an ally?
          1. purple
            purple 19 September 2018 06: 52
            +4
            fool Yes, how it all started ... they still explained to you at a briefing by the Moscow Defense Ministry .... What is not clear?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 19 September 2018 07: 07
              -12
              Quote: purple
              fool Yes, how it all started ... they still explained to you at a briefing by the Moscow Defense Ministry .... What is not clear?

              It is unclear how the F-16 flying fast at low altitude can hide behind the huge slow-moving silt going to the landing
              How will the Panamera going along the highway at a speed of 160 km per hour be covered by KAMAZ, stopping by the parking lot at a speed of 40 km per hour?
              1. purple
                purple 19 September 2018 07: 25
                +5
                Do you doubt the skill of Israeli pilots? It is already necessary to ask them what how and why. And so it’s just that everyone shot back hung not far from Il, and they detected a missile launch and immediately fell down at a low altitude ... that's enough
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 19 September 2018 17: 06
                -1
                Krasnodar, what are you a Jew? Why so shamelessly otmazyvayte them?
          2. akunin
            akunin 19 September 2018 09: 58
            +1
            Syrian anti-aircraft gunners must be equipped with slingshots - at least there will be no harm.
        2. atalef
          atalef 19 September 2018 07: 36
          -13
          Quote: purple
          What about Israel? Those pilots who intentionally substituted IL with their maneuvers? Will give out?
          And there is no need to tell fairy tales here about the fact that they have nothing to do with, they knew that this could happen .... or it might not happen, but they still intentionally went for it. And you have to answer for it

          Baby talk, set up - when they shot down the silt of the Israeli air force they returned to the bases
          1. purple
            purple 19 September 2018 07: 44
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Baby talk, set up - when they shot down the silt of the Israeli air force they returned to the bases

            Well, yes ... say another hour they stood there ...
            He wasn’t shot down with a laser ... but with a rocket which also needs time
            1. atalef
              atalef 19 September 2018 07: 52
              -8
              Quote: purple
              Quote: atalef
              Baby talk, set up - when they shot down the silt of the Israeli air force they returned to the bases

              Well, yes ... say another hour they stood there ...
              He wasn’t shot down with a laser ... but with a rocket which also needs time

              It was written in black and white, silt was shot down when the Israeli air force aircraft were there for a long time (of course by the standards of the air force). Not, the planes were not just on the way home - they were in the territory of Israel,
              By the end of the week, the Israeli Air Force Commander-in-Office will arrive in the Russian Federation, he will bring all the relevant documents on the incident, the cc and the Russian Aerospace Forces know everything perfectly and the president said not by chance about a tragic chain of circumstances - everything is covered up and the same
              1. purple
                purple 19 September 2018 08: 03
                +5
                Quote: atalef
                It was written in black and white, silt was shot down when the Israeli air force aircraft were there for a long time (of course by the standards of the air force). Not there, the planes were not just on the way home - they were in the territory of Israel


                How long has it been? An hour, half an hour, a minute or a second?
                I repeat they weren’t shot down by a laser .... And if you remember the Israeli recently damaged F16 rocket ... then oops ... the rocket then caught up with him already in Israel ... strange yes.
                Well, your minister will come and dunk him where necessary with his "documents". He is not carrying documents ... but he is going to apologize and negotiate ... a no brainer, but it is not known whether they will accept anything from him
              2. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 19 September 2018 08: 05
                +6
                Quote: atalef
                By the end of the week, the Israeli Air Force Commander will arrive in Russia, he will bring all the relevant documents on the incident,

                hi
                Why not right away ??? wink Do you need time to prepare ??? lol
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 19 September 2018 09: 17
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Baby talk, set up - when they shot down the silt of the Israeli air force they returned to the bases

            Whose? Russian Minister of Defense or yours? Politics, of course, is a deceitful thing, but in this case, who is lying?
            Quote: Krasnodar
            As a Panamera walking along the highway at a speed of 160 km per hour will be covered by KAMAZ ....

            Did you have to drive along a narrow road behind a truck? A lot to see?

            Perhaps the Israeli organizers of the operation assumed that the Syrians would not "shoot" because of our aircraft in the air, perhaps a provocation "for the lice" of our, ..., there may be many versions. The pilots carried out a combat order to destroy the enemy, but your military leadership had to provide all options. So, is it still a provocation because of impunity and impudence? By the way, your ambassador did not deign to personally appear at the Russian Foreign Ministry, he sent a deputy. It's a trifling matter.
            Your Air Force bomb almost every day in Syria. Has Iran built so many rocket factories in Syria, has the Chinese surpassed the pace of construction?
            Hopefully, a few of your "falcons" will "land" even outside Syria, as soon as they go on a combat course. But hope is weak, Putin talks about accidents. What is the life of 15 Russian officers worth? Oh, Jewish?
  16. Mihail55
    Mihail55 19 September 2018 06: 33
    +6
    As long as there is impunity for the "partners" in striking any "bad" state, all this will continue. The UN just DOESN'T NEED! This is a rudiment of the XX century.
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    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 19 September 2018 07: 50
      -1
      The call to war is already an article of the Criminal Code.
      They’ll give you a fuck ...
      1. asv363
        asv363 19 September 2018 09: 45
        +1
        There is such a participant - Professor, he is also a certain Oleg Sokolov. Ask him how they reacted to his libel in the ILV and the UK if he actually sent something. The deadline for the answer has already passed.
      2. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 25 September 2018 15: 08
        0
        Where did you and the moderator see the "calls for war"? Unjustified deletion of a comment does not color the site's moderation. But your message also attracts at least a direct threat and psychological pressure, which gives you a "couch fighter".
        Do not blame me, but this message is more to the moderators than to your sluggish attempts to remove someone else’s opinion.
  18. ochakow703
    ochakow703 19 September 2018 07: 16
    +6
    The worst thing in this situation is that we ourselves are guilty. It was necessary to immediately answer "adequately".
  19. w70
    w70 19 September 2018 07: 20
    -6
    Four Israeli F-16 strike aircraft used the IL-20 as cover? What nonsense
    The Israeli plane had neither the ability nor the need to use a large, slow Russian turboprop aircraft as a cover for its F-16s. They bombed and left the area before the Syrian forces realized that they were being attacked and alerted their air defense systems.
  20. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 19 September 2018 07: 21
    +1
    Whoever knocked down is to blame. The friend or foe system doesn't work?
  21. oracul
    oracul 19 September 2018 07: 26
    +7
    With whom Israel and whose hand feeds it has been known for a long time, so the question is addressed to nowhere. To beat or not to beat? That is the real question. Our capabilities in Syria are quite limited, the delivery of military equipment takes time and may run into difficulties (Bosphorus). What we have there is enough to destroy the terrorists, but obviously not enough for a long confrontation between the United States and their jackals. Turkey and Iran are nothing more than situational allies. The first is struck by the neo-Ottomanism virus, and the second solves religious problems. The world community is split and the majority opinion is easily bought or pushed by force by the Americans. China, with its philosophy, prefers to observe from the outside, India has historically been afraid to go beyond the boundaries of Hindustan. Cuba and Vietnam easily parted ways trying to demonstrate their peacefulness to the United States. And it turns out that we can only rely on ourselves.
  22. Naval
    Naval 19 September 2018 07: 33
    +4
    Good article. I fully support everything that the authors wrote. It is necessary to do something, this cannot continue, we look like a laughing stock, or, more correctly, a "preoccupied" laughing stock.
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  24. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 19 September 2018 07: 44
    +4
    I cannot help but be surprised by the logic of the authors (may they forgive me for allowing myself to contradict such an authoritative opinion), but the incident is associated with the military actions of opponents, and not with normal human relations. And in war, as in war, each side tries to disguise its actions as much as possible and convince the enemy by slipping him a "doll" in the form of a tank, in this situation it is simply inappropriate to talk about human meanness. As for the retaliatory strike, I absolutely agree with the authors. Moreover, I would like to see (as in the old "good" times) not a dull force and a narrow forehead of a soldier, but an elegant game of a "chess player" and an intellectually calculated operation. In the actions of the Israelis (unfortunately) I observe this, and in the actions of the Russian Air Force this is the second time when our planes are rudely trapped. By the way, in our village, even the most illiterate grandmother knows that Israel receives financial support from the United States, which means it cannot be a friend for Russia, it is an enemy and it is simply stupid to expect normal human relations from the enemy, may the author forgive me my maximalism.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 September 2018 09: 22
      +6
      Quote: bratchanin3
      the incident is connected with the hostilities of the opponents, and not with normal human relations


      I completely agree. But there is one huge BUT there. Israel and Russia are not at war. And even on the contrary, they coordinate (must at least) their actions. Here, as it were, in a situation of coordination zero ...
  25. Moore
    Moore 19 September 2018 07: 53
    +6
    As it turned out once again, agreements with "partners" either work badly, or don't work at all, having a bunch of legal holes, which were used in this case by the chutzpah lovers.
    They didn’t touch you, did they warn you? So what, a minute before the attack?
    What prevents our Commander-in-Chief from declaring:
    will any aircraft taking off from Jewish airfields and heading towards Lebanon (Syria) without prior approval from the Russian command in Syria be considered a threat to the Russian contingent and, as a result, be destroyed despite its location?
    Why not appear at Hezbollah with some MANPADS from Mumba Yumba?
    According to our UAV, flying into the Golan Heights, they fired? Well, do not be offended by the answer ...
    That's just for this you need to have steel balls ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 September 2018 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Moore
      What prevents our Commander-in-Chief from declaring:

      So stated (~ 1: 00 min.):



      And the agreed statement by Shoigu with Putin (~ 3: 00 min.):

  26. kloss
    kloss 19 September 2018 07: 56
    +2
    With whom? With amers, but I want to sit simultaneously on two chairs standing in different corners of the room (listen to amers and Vasya Vasya with Putin
  27. Cottager452
    Cottager452 19 September 2018 07: 57
    -5
    Jews are Jews, and Shoigu needs to be changed.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 19 September 2018 08: 08
      +2
      Again on Syrdyukova? wink
      1. Borisovich
        Borisovich 19 September 2018 14: 57
        +8
        Quote: Rurikovich
        on Syrdyukova?

        To the summer resident ......
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 19 September 2018 12: 02
      -1
      Nikita needs to be removed. Strategist, Mlyn.
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  29. vaay
    vaay 19 September 2018 08: 26
    +3
    A no-fly zone in the area of ​​our bases and the supply of S-300 to the Syrians.
    A logical measure, taking into account what happened.
    We ourselves defend our own and give the Syrians an opportunity, with the help of adequate, purely defensive measures, to solve their own belligerents.
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    1. vaay
      vaay 19 September 2018 09: 07
      +1
      And on the map from the MO briefing, the time of impact is 22: 00-22: 10, and the time of defeat of silt is 22:07
      Where did they get the hour from?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 19 September 2018 09: 15
        +4
        Quote: vaay
        Where did they get the hour from?

        Without this watch, the legend collapses that there were no Israelis at the time of the downing of IL-20 wink And so the chiki-puriks - the Jews shot back and flew away, and the crooked-armed Syrians shot down our scout, who had been landing alone for an hour alone lol
  31. aglet
    aglet 19 September 2018 08: 34
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    I don’t think so. Aiakov were clearly from a great height, but then the Israelis go down so as not to be substituted under the same S-200. And obviously immediately went south, i.e. towards Israel. Perhaps the courses somehow intersected, because Hmeimim is also south.

    what to guess without facts? all the data is there, all the heights, courses, time, everything is at my disposal, and this is clearly not a military secret. but it indistinctly bleats, introducing confusion into the fragile brains of readers, generating an extensive literal eruption on the Internet. it’s visible and calculated, talking the facts, letting the flow go aside, it’s obvious not everyone needs
  32. aglet
    aglet 19 September 2018 08: 43
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    How will the Panamera going along the highway at a speed of 160 km per hour be covered by KAMAZ, stopping by the parking lot at a speed of 40 km per hour?


    easily. regardless of what to hide from, from the look, from the radar, from the oncoming
  33. aglet
    aglet 19 September 2018 08: 46
    +1
    Quote: purple
    a hedgehog it’s clear whether they will accept anything from him

    accept, accept, there is no need to doubt
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  35. would
    would 19 September 2018 08: 56
    +3
    I immediately recall the case of the Turks and the Kremlin’s reaction. Erdogan at least didn’t apologize publicly for the incident, none of those who directly ordered the punishment suffered and were not touched at all, the pilots (who just executed the order) were punished but for participating in the mutiny, Alparslan Celik took responsibility for finishing the punishment bomber for it did not suffer, he was convicted of illegal arms trafficking. And that’s it, now again love and tomatoes.

    And after this, the fantasies of a number of users on the topic of "just retribution" in a much less unambiguous incident look very strange. We all know perfectly well that the Kremlin will not take tough retaliatory measures.

    As for the case itself, then according to the kutsets of information which is Israel’s fault, it’s also some Syrian-guilt who decided to fire at the fighter next to which our IL-20 was flying. I suppose that their solution came from, as always, Arab illiteracy, they do not know how to handle technology.
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  37. BAI
    BAI 19 September 2018 09: 23
    +6
    In the East, any concessions and patience are perceived not as a gesture of goodwill, but as weakness. For now, we will continue to make concessions and show restraint and patience - feet will be wiped about us here and thereafter. Once it is approximately indicative to answer - the question will be closed for a long time. But looking at the losses of Russian aviation in Syria, you come to the conclusion that the bulk of the losses, and first of all all the resonant losses, come from the inept command and poor organization of the actions of the aviation and its cover ..
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 September 2018 17: 18
      0
      These are the key words - "from the inept command and poor organization of aviation and its cover .."
      The main fault is on our military commanders, are they there at the resort? There is war and one must be prepared for everything. Slop!
  38. Earnest
    Earnest 19 September 2018 09: 28
    0
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    Well then, start revenge from the Chechen wars, and when you finish go to the war with Georgia, and only then can you turn to us, couch Rambo-Avenger.

    So it was done in Chechnya, and it will be so here. Do not believe me, sleep peacefully.
  39. Strashila
    Strashila 19 September 2018 09: 39
    +5
    The Israelis worked to the maximum ... they not only covered themselves with the IL-20 delivering another blow, but also put them under fire from air defense for destruction ... he greatly annoyed their protégés to the terrorists by coordinating the actions of the Russian air forces.
  40. Technologist
    Technologist 19 September 2018 09: 41
    +1
    "How many times do 'friends' have to stab us in the back for the 'bear' to deign to turn its head towards danger?

    This is no longer a bear, but a diplodocus, who ate half of the body, and he has not yet felt (((
  41. malyvalv
    malyvalv 19 September 2018 09: 45
    +5
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    So far, Israel has not violated the agreements with Russia,

    Already violated. The agreement on timely reporting of their actions in Syria, which led to the death of 15 Russian officers.
    Russia now does not need to abide by the agreement with Israel on the refusal of military assistance to Iran.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 19 September 2018 11: 50
      -2
      The contract spells out how long it is necessary to inform?
  42. ovaleon
    ovaleon 19 September 2018 09: 47
    +4
    “And the Israelites were too scared of what happened.” If you consciously did this, then you were not particularly afraid. And why they weren’t afraid - they thought that we would be mortified again. The logic of our Commander-in-Chief is understandable - “we are at a disadvantage, we can wait until better times.” Forgot 41st
  43. Dashout
    Dashout 19 September 2018 09: 50
    +8
    Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov - I fully support!
  44. akunin
    akunin 19 September 2018 09: 56
    +3
    Who is Israel in the same row now?
    as it was from the usa, well, Israel has never been with the USSR or Russia in the same row. The author is naive if he asks such a question. Jews, as the right ones, think of themselves first of all (for that I respect them), and we about Bashar (not even from a neighboring village)
  45. shura7782
    shura7782 19 September 2018 10: 01
    +7
    The article is not complete. The author did not highlight the actions of the Syrian calculation, which observed the entire air situation and launched a rocket in a heap (as we were originally told) so that it itself had to figure out the enemy. But that's not all. There is a temporary mismatch, namely, the Israelis left much earlier the area of ​​temporary joint residence. Question. What was the head of combat crew about? Who controlled them? What instructions did they use? This topic is carefully avoided. Is she that untouchable? With a phone call from the Jews or without him at all, this should not have happened. In war, credulity is too expensive for us.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 19 September 2018 11: 08
      +5
      If you accept the version of Israel, that their planes left the area long before that. That directly follows from this that they warned Russia not in 1 minute, but after the incident, so to speak in fact.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 September 2018 13: 56
      +1
      Are you generally adequate? Or so, just talk?

      Quote: shura7782
      What was the head of combat crew busy with? Who ruled them? What instructions did they use? This topic is carefully avoided.


      Maybe you hit it and talk to the crew members? And you will get glory, and stop carrying nonsense.
  46. Dormidosha
    Dormidosha 19 September 2018 11: 04
    +3
    Very correct article !!!
    The solution is a no-fly zone for everyone in the area, at least our bases !!!
  47. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 19 September 2018 11: 07
    +3
    Who is Israel in the same row now?

    Israel (the Jews) have always been on a par with themselves alone, for them always the most important thing was personal security, and to the detriment of the security of the whole region. For the sake of their own security, about which they tryndy around the world, they kill thousands and thousands of Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians. In its conceit, Israel could easily be the match from which a nuclear catastrophe would catch fire. A sort of small, vicious skunk.
    1. akunin
      akunin 19 September 2018 15: 29
      +2
      for them always the most important was personal safety
      I really want for our personal safety to be above all. Russian people don’t need to die in a foreign land, it’s not clear why (I don’t understand).
  48. NordUral
    NordUral 19 September 2018 11: 18
    +1
    Fight, as always. To ambush our, still Soviet pilots, in Syria in the old years, and then boast to the whole world how cool they are. And now it’s easy to substitute, meanly and cowardly. Cowards and scoundrels.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 19 September 2018 11: 43
      +3
      for all who shout about an agreement on mutual information about airstrikes. All adequate people understand that by informing Russia, Israel automatically notifies Syria’s air defense as well, and after that, did anyone on the Syrian front really hope for an adequate and honest implementation of this agreement ?! When the safety of its pilots is on some scales, and abstract agreements on others, Israel will choose the first (and do it right). If someone in our Moscow Region did not understand this, to his neck from the front.
      And about the setup, a simple situation: If the enemy is hiding behind your partner, civilians, and anyone else - to open fire on him is entirely the fault of the shooter. Our generals, who did not suspect the poor training of the air defense system of Syria? About the performance characteristics of their old air defense systems? Are there any planes flying at the resort?
      1. wax
        wax 19 September 2018 12: 31
        0
        In short - you have to shoot down Israeli planes before they hide behind civilians like terrorists and urks.
  49. BAI
    BAI 19 September 2018 11: 35
    +2
    Professional opinion on this subject:
    Lieutenant Colonel Viktor Haustov, deputy commander of the anti-aircraft missile regiment and a participant in the hostilities in the Arab Republic:

    - There is such a tricky trick in aviation - “air disguise”. It seems that the Israelis used it. They gathered above our huge IL-20 on top of a kind of "whatnot", which is why the marks from both our reconnaissance aircraft and the Israeli F-16 merged. And the Syrian S-200 could not hit them at that moment, because the identification system of "friend or foe", wired into the brains of anti-aircraft missile systems, did not allow this. But this system is set up only to prevent a missile launch according to "its own", but when it is already launched, it is not able to retarget it.

    However, the rocket itself is so arranged that its homing head catches a stronger signal. And the IL-20 reflective surface is much larger than that of a fighter. Naturally, the missile grabs the most powerful target and goes on it.


    And so, when the Israeli fighters changed course, the “alien” mark appeared on the S-200 screen. And the Syrian air defense opened fire. Here, I am sure, our plane ran into a “friendly” rocket.
  50. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 19 September 2018 11: 51
    +4
    Israel is fighting for itself and its interests, and yes, they do not care what they think in the energy superpower. In that region, they are stronger and speak with them from a position of strength without having this strength - stupidity, which will end with downed planes and killed generals.