The oddities of counting. Candidate from the Communist Party in Primorye: the results are rigged

A major scandal concludes the counting of votes after the completion of the elections of the governor in Primorye. In the second round of elections, the acting governor of the region Andrei Tarasenko, representing United Russia and the candidate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Andrei Ishchenko, agreed. During the entire “counting session”, Ischenko was in the lead, ahead of his rival by 4-6% of the vote. However, at the final stage of the counting of votes cast for candidates, it suddenly became clear that Andriy Ishchenko is losing elections.

How did the candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation react to this?

In Instagram he writes:

Today, late at night, when 95,74% of ballots were processed, I was leading with a solid margin of 5% (Ischenko - 229 171 votes, 51,24% and Tarasenko - 206 454 votes, 46,16%); Friends, you and I steal voices, we will defend our victory now!

Ishchenko had a significant gap even after processing the 96,13% of ballots: 50,59% versus 46,8%.

According to Ishchenko, he declares a strike of deceived voters and calls on all those residents of the Primorsky Territory who voted for him to go to the Square for the Fighters for Soviet Power.

In the Electoral Commission declare that this is not the final election results. The final results will be announced within three days. At the moment, if you believe the data of the Primorye electoral commission, Andrei Tarasenko has 49,55%, Andrei Ishchenko has 48,06%.

A representative of the Communist Party’s Primorye Territorial Committee asked the electoral commission how it could happen that after only 4% of ballots were left unprocessed, all these ballots turned out to be votes cast for the candidate from United Russia? The Electoral Commission declared that “in some territories one candidate is in the lead, and in others, by a large margin, the other; the balance is changing. "

Comments

[Titsen]

Beauty!

Now the commission members will be awarded the title of Heroes of Russia!

[Victor_B]

Well, do not imprison them?

[Rimlianin]

Exactly there. If falsified - you need to beat hands.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rimlianin

need to beat hands.

Who will beat it? Themselves ata-ta delptti will be, one palm on the other?

[Rimlianin]

Yes, I understand your sarcasm, it's all true. But all this cannot go on forever. Everyone has already become sick of this "party" and its leaders.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rimlianin

Everyone has already become sick of this "party" and its leaders.

Then somehow laid out a picture with the symbol EP. With the present, relevant to their affairs.

[Pax tecum]

Ingvar 72:
Who will beat it? Themselves ata-ta delptti will be, one palm on the other?

Buddy Of course, your purely rhetorical question and normal healthy sarcasm are clear, but nonetheless ...
Criminal Code Article 142.1. Falsification of voting results.
The inclusion of unaccounted ballots in the number of ballots used during voting, or the submission of deliberately incorrect information about voters, referendum participants, or deliberately incorrect compilation of lists of voters, referendum participants, expressed in the inclusion of persons who do not have active suffrage, the right to participate in a referendum or fictitious persons, or falsification of signatures of voters, referendum participants in voter lists, referendum participants, or replacement of valid ballots to her with marks of voters, referendum participants, or spoiling of ballots, which leads to the inability to determine the will of voters, referendum participants, or illegal destruction of ballots, or deliberately incorrect vote counting of voters, referendum participants, or signing by the members of the election commission, referendum commission of a protocol on the results of voting until counting of votes or establishing the results of voting, or obviously wrong (not corresponding to the actual results of voting) drafting protocols on the results of voting, or illegal introduction of amendments to the protocol on the results of voting after filling out it, or deliberately incorrect establishment of the results of voting, determination of election results, referendum -
shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of two hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of one year to three years, or by forced labor for a term of up to four years, or imprisonment for the same term.

There would be a will, and punishment is not a problem.
And, if the Communist Party begins, nevertheless, to take power positions, then members and supporters of EdRo will not find it enough, they will remember it. And preferably in a cruel and revealing way.

[Pax tecum]

In Khakassia, the situation is similar
After processing the ballots, the head of Khakassia Viktor Zimin (from EdRo) receives 35% votes, and his main rival - the head of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, deputy of the City Council of Abakan Valentin Konovalov scored more than 44%, based on the results of the September 9 vote.
Contrary to forecasts of federal experts, there will be a second round in Khakassia.
The second round is scheduled for September 23.
Percentage difference look. More than 9% !!!
This will be a show if the regional election committee and here the circus will arrange and show tricks ...

And this is the election of the head of the region, and quite a few candidates from the Communist Party were held in the legislative assemblies of the regions.

[Pax tecum]

Thus, if you look at the struggle of party lists, we can say that the Communist Party got out of the administrative-electoral corral, comfortable for the total domination of the party in power. We returned to the competitive range of results, which allows us to build a parliamentary struggle more powerfully, more reliably rely on public support.
In total, from 22 election campaigns for the election of regional leaders - 4 second round (!). In two more regions, in the Vladimir Region and Khabarovsk Territory, representatives of the Liberal Democratic Party are the rivals of candidates from power. At the same time, it is quite obvious that the second round in the Vladimir region is to a large extent the merit of the candidate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Maxim Shevchenko who was not admitted to the elections.
The Communist Party as a whole, on a federal scale, has made good progress. This is a political breakthrough.
It is impossible not to pay attention to the fact that in some specific regions the mechanisms of power have worked to contain the even more serious growth of the influence of the Communist Party. We are talking about cheating parties. A variety of CPSU, the communists of Russia, the party of pensioners, patriots and others - in total received this time more than usual. This means that they “bit off” the Communist Party more than usual.

Here "Krasnoyarsk time" writes in detail:
http://krasvremya.ru/politicheskij-proryv-2018-tam-gde-pobedila-kprf/

[yehat]

parliamentary struggle

parliamentary struggle for what? for the share of the party in the budget pie? I don’t see another fight.

[sedoj]

Quote: Pax tecum

After processing the ballots, the head of Khakassia, Viktor Zimin (from EdRo) receives 35% of the vote, and his main rival, the head of the Communist Party’s Republican Committee, Abakan City Council deputy Valentin Konovalov won over 44%, according to the September 9 vote.
Contrary to forecasts of federal experts, there will be a second round in Khakassia.
The second round is scheduled for September 23.
Percentage difference look. Over 9% !!!

And do you not take into account twenty percent of the votes cast for other candidates? Imagine that out of 21% - 3 for the Communist Party, and 18 - for EdRo. Then what is juggling?

[NordUral]

What prevented these 18% from voting for edro right away? You have dubious arguments.

[goblin xnumx]

the candidate from "eating ..."

[Victor_B]

0
Exactly there. If falsified - you need to beat hands.

Yes, I'm all for it!
But ... alas!
They will not punish anyone.
Now, if it weren’t for a couple of percent that the communist came forward, then immediately (or later in court) they did not count the victory.
It is this system in Primorye that has been perfectly worked out in practice.
And 10 percent would not be enough. And forty.

[NIKN]

Well done Primorsky! Even in the first round, this candidate from EP was supposed to fly out (well, they don’t want him). Here they dragged in the hope that the voices of the retired will be bought, no, and it doesn’t climb here, well, the Primoryeians don’t want EP at their place, it’s clear to everyone who they are, and the president and EP have arranged such PR for themselves in Primorye ..., now they’ll shove all measures .. .

[goblin xnumx]

but then the commission would be punished ... if the communist won

[Ros 56]

And in the face does not hurt.

[Mr Credo]

Is there evidence of fraud? Where are the election observers?

[Rimlianin]

There is. All copies of PEC protocols with seals and signatures, and according to these protocols Ishchenko confidently wins. It is not clear what EP hopes for. Open falsification. People are gathering at the administration of the region, they plan to announce an indefinite strike, to put up tents. It is very likely that the authorities will win back, everything is too obvious.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Rimlianin

It is very likely that the authorities will win back, everything is too obvious.

Starting with "there is no money, but you are holding on" the authorities defiantly spit in the face of the people, in the spirit of "you have no methods against Kostya Saprykin!" Sometimes one gets the impression that the purpose of such provocative behavior is to remove Mr. Putin, but judging by his reaction (which is not at all), he does not see anything reprehensible in this spitting.
So they won’t win back, they’ll now break everything through the knee, and the protest is only on hand - they need to run around the National Guard and oppose it to the people as much as possible to make it a reliable support of the regime.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: kakvastam

the purpose of this provocative behavior is to remove Mr. Putin

Do you think Putin is against falsification?
Yes, he told Tarasenko at the summit that he would win: "I know that you have a second round. I think everything will be all right."
https://regnum.ru/news/2480152.html

[free]

Quote: kakvastam

Quote: Rimlianin

It is very likely that the authorities will win back, everything is too obvious.

Starting with "there is no money, but you are holding on" the authorities defiantly spit in the face of the people, in the spirit of "you have no methods against Kostya Saprykin!" Sometimes one gets the impression that the purpose of such provocative behavior is to remove Mr. Putin, but judging by his reaction (which is not at all), he does not see anything reprehensible in this spitting.
So they won’t win back, they’ll now break everything through the knee, and the protest is only on hand - they need to run around the National Guard and oppose it to the people as much as possible to make it a reliable support of the regime.

So not only the Ross Guard will run in, but also the people. The process is mutual.

[Egoza]

Quote: Rimlianin

It is not clear what EP hopes for. Open falsification.

What is he hoping for? Yes, that "no matter how they vote, it is important how they count"

[NordUral]

Important yes! But it’s easy to count it - we don’t go to the polls - take the voices of those who have not come and use it. So who is pushing into power the enemies of the people, thieves and corrupt officials?

[Jingibi]

Evidence is available. Observers hold copies of protocols of territorial polling stations. And according to the CEC, PCs in these areas voted differently. Terizbirkom in Ussuriysk blocked by the police. Do not let observers. And there are still facts. As of 14:00 (07:00 Moscow time) when the election results were to be announced (the count should have been closed at 10:00), the chairman of the CEC PC announced that the results would be tomorrow. Consultations with Moscow are obviously going on. Tarasenko lost the election.

[Mestny]

No, these reptilians intervened. Obviously. A bunch of facts on the Internet.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Mestny

A bunch of facts on the Internet.

These facts were posted by the state itself in the form of official information from the CEC on the website of the State Arbitration Court of the Russian Federation "Vybory"
And even mediocrities could not falsify normally, hack-workers, - "accidentally" they communicated 5 votes from Ishchenko ...
I think the votes were divided according to the following principle.

[RUSS]

Quote: Mr Credo

Is there evidence of fraud? Where are the election observers?

Moreover, the candidate from United Russia went to "anticipate" and "anticipate" - The headquarters of the candidate for governor of the Primorsky Territory from "United Russia" Andrei Tarasenko will send a complaint to the Central Election Commission on violations during the second round of elections of the head of the region. Interfax news agency reported.

- A large volume of all violations. Tomorrow we plan to transfer the materials to the regional election commission, then - with a single or several complaints - to the Central Election Commission, ”said a representative of the headquarters Tarasenko.

[milton]

What are you talking about? Did the thief cut his arm off? They will never recognize victory over themselves! What saddens

[milton]

Yes, of course, with the complete superiority of edra, do you want proof?

[alfa19638]

It’s necessary not to beat hands, but to chop off these hands

[perm23]

the key word is if .. so don’t have to wave the ax too early. One won. another lost. and that if he is an opposition, then the other side is immediately to blame. and why do we immediately believe one thing if he is the opposition and do not believe the other side. It has become fashionable for us to be the opposition. committed a crime. but I'm not a criminal, but a political opponent of the regime. Example Pavlensky. so here it is necessary to understand. and then immediately execute. and the option that he lost is not considered at all.

[Vard]

We have a criminal offense ... so now they have nowhere to go ... If the Communist Party wins ... they sit down ...

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: Vard

We have a criminal offense ... so now they have nowhere to go ... If the Communist Party wins ... they sit down ...

I see right.

[kunstkammer]

We have a criminal offense ... they will sit down ...

"fresh tradition, but hard to believe" (C)

[kakvastam]

Quote: Vard

If the Communist Party wins ... they sit ...

If locally - in no case, but any significant strengthening of it is not yet visible. Yes, and the local National Guard will not allow.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, do not imprison them?

If Mr. Putin wants to save his face - that is exactly where.

[Svarog]

Quote: Titsen

Beauty!

Now the commission members will be awarded the title of Heroes of Russia!

No wonder, lies, fraud - this is the style of EP ..

[bessmertniy]

Just at the WEF, the GDP was very saddened by the election of governors in Russia, when the Communists passed in three regions. It is not surprising that in Primorye, where the elections reached the second round, they wanted to make a gift for GDP.

[ioan-e]

Quote: Titsen

Beauty!

Now the commission members will be awarded the title of Heroes of Russia!

The Churov case lives and thrives!

[Sadko88]

We don’t know. Perhaps his God thereby saved him from prison. How many of them are sitting ...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Sadko88

Careful had to choose a candidate. Communist Party members talk a lot about theft and fraud, while at the same time they expose a person with a far from impeccable reputation. Read open sources.
As for the results of the vote: there is no need to be like Democrats in the United States if the elections do not live up to your expectations. It is necessary to prepare more carefully. There will be more elections. Work on the bugs.

I applaud Citizen Sadko88 while standing! Bravo! Adolf Aloizovich Shiklgruber was not lucky at the time. He would have such a lawyer as Mr. Sadko88, you would not have to look and shoot. Sadko88 would certainly justify, he is talented. Such a hell for a place of conscience raised talent.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Sadko88

-24
Careful had to choose a candidate. Communist Party members talk a lot about theft and fraud, while at the same time they expose a person with a far from impeccable reputation. Read open sources.

Does "EDRO" rule?

[Tibidokh]

On the video "political technologies" are explained by a local deputy from EDRA.

[Alf]

Quote: Sadko88

Read open sources.

And why did these open sources close when Putin abruptly won?

[Victor_B]

Aha
You might think for the first time!
For readers who do not know anything about the political history of Vladivostok.
We had the mayor of Cherepkov. The personality is ambiguous.
But!
He won ALL elections in which he participated, but he was ALWAYS removed from the race 3 days before the election. But how did he win then? Yes, because he had a completely overwhelming rating!
And it’s learned how to count votes from the time of Stalin.
And our "democrats" have brought the vote counting process to perfection.

[Vladivostok1969]

Who was dancing in a woman’s dress? Well, so the Korean man attached him to the Duma, his personal dispute. Now the truth is I do not know his fate.

And did you also seem to be dancing nearby? ”Cherepkov appeared on the air when he talked about hunger in training on the Russian island. And he actually won the election no matter what. And spread his power on hard.

[FANTOM-72]

Did you also seem to be dancing nearby? ”Cherepkov appeared on the air when he talked about hunger in training on the Russian island.

I was in the RTSH at that time, about which Cherepkov cried together with a committee of nulliparous mothers, but did not know that they were starving there. It was even easier there than on the mainland. Scallop, trepang and mussel were eaten with buckets, until scabies. And this Zampolitovskie yap is not much better than what komunyaki dragged to these elections.

[Vladivostok1969]

Well, now it is clear which RTSh you were in. And I will not go to "YOU" with you.

[FANTOM-72]

This is disgusting to me. By the way. I drove past the square at 18-10 pm. There are two bodies with a poster "If you are against Tarasenko - signal" in the hope that the city will shudder from the sound of horns. Two morons timidly beeped. And as has become usual, the irrepressible shkolota rushes about the parking lot. Probably we got a five for a beer. And further. Those who voted for Ishchenko received three hundred rubles each.

[faridg7]

Quote: FANTOM-72

And further. Those who voted for Ishchenko received three hundred rubles. laughing

Oppanki, stand! Where are my three hundred rubles?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: faridg7

Where are my three hundred rubles?

And about three hundred were given ?!
And they gave me everything to stop!
Here I am ... a ball ...

[Bull Terrier]

Oh yeah. And 49 km from Khabarovsk starved to death. 4. True, one died of his stupidity, hiding dysentery, and the other three dreamed of someone, but the sheer was then noble. This one from the same song?

[FANTOM-72]

Yes something like that. They brought two dystrophans from a citizen who had no strength to run away from the military commissar when it became fashionable to mow and sent to feed, and there reporters came running and let’s take off and write scribblers. Now I can’t sleep. It will be a nightmare before your eyes, as a sailor dystrophic pond weight washes windows in a cockpit and crushes them one by one in the harsh, hungry winter of 92-93. And twenty foremen of training and five years of a company company at night in the galley, choking and burping, are trying to eat six hundred women. Horror.

[Bull Terrier]

Oh horror))) I now also will not erase this picture from my head for a long time)))

[tsvetkov1274]

Served 93-95.g Vladivostok. MCHPV. Meat - legs of a bush, lamb (New Zealand) oil cl. (Australia) + nishtyaki maritime service (caviar, salmon, etc.)

[Bull Terrier]

I also don’t remember that at least one person would say that the soldiers were starving. In the field, only this was possible after heavy rains, and they always got out. Well, maybe with bread, not everyone had bakeries. And that someone would starve to death is nonsense.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: avt

Quote: FANTOM-72

Zampolitovskoe yap is not much better than what komunyaki dragged to this election.

The current Zyuganov’s candidate, at the sight of lost profits, and decided not to sour the money to the GDP region, and whoever manages the loan is the budget oligarch , so excited about the inability to get to the bread place that already can not eat!

The candidate for the governor of the Primorsky Territory from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Andrei Ishchenko, went on a hunger strike because of disagreement with the election results, RIA Novosti reports. According to Ishchenko himself, now they are preparing complaints related to the election results.

Just like the Skull, which was carried out of the office on the hands!

those. if the candidate from the Communist Party wins, the election results are not only falsified, but even necessary. Did I understand your position correctly?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: avt

Quote: Leshy1975

Did I understand your position correctly?

Az correctly understood - you read only what falls under your thoughts? Throw out the rest? The skull, which is from the bread place

Quote: avt

carried on hands from an office

Also from the Communist Party? Or are you tense and somehow try to combine with this

Quote: avt

money in the region decided to pump GDP not sour and whoever manages the loan, he and the budget oligarch

Maybe you will try to let a simple thought into your brain - the current CPRF is just a business project of Zu Gano Pin, who sells the CPRF brand. Maybe you will look and find out - how the same ex-prosecutor, the deceased and deputy Ilyukhin, sent inquiries about the "illegal" detention of Khabarovsk thieves in law? Well, the last of Dzhem. And Voronenkov, for what merits to the cause of building communism, was included in the lists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and became a Duma deputy? Maybe for the same ones for which Khodorkovsky paid for his own people in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from Yukos

The article discussed here talks about possible violations in the elections of the head of Primorye. The candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, citizen Ishchenko, about whom you spoke: "The current Zyuganov candidate, at the sight of lost profits, and the money in the GDP region, he decided not to pump sour and whoever is the manager of the loan is the budget oligarch bully, he was so excited by the impossibility of getting to the bread place, what can not eat! bully ". Will you reject your words? Can you prove that you went on a hunger strike precisely because of lost profits? And all your argumentation is brought to the general context: bad Ishchenko, bad Zyuganov, bad party of the Communist Party (to substantiate your opinion, you attract Cherpkov, who has nothing to do with the current situation) And never spoke out on the situation as a whole, what else, besides the possible victory of the candidate from the Communist Party, you do not agree. What is in the context of everything you wrote above and specifically this: "Maybe you will try to let a simple thought into your brain - the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation is just a business project of Zu Gano Pinya" (and if a candidate won, for example, from the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia you can falsify or no longer ?) can be fully understood as consent to falsification of the election results (since you are not writing objections), if only the candidate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not pass, the hostility towards which you so clearly demonstrate.

[jetfors_84]

Quote: avt

Quote: Leshy1975

Did I understand your position correctly?

Az correctly understood - you read only what falls under your thoughts? Throw out the rest? The skull, which is from the bread place

Quote: avt

carried on hands from an office

Also from the Communist Party? Or are you tense and somehow try to combine with this

Quote: avt

money in the region decided to pump GDP not sour and whoever manages the loan, he and the budget oligarch

Maybe you will try to let a simple thought into your brain - the current CPRF is just a business project of Zu Gano Pin, who sells the CPRF brand. Maybe you will look and find out - how the same ex-prosecutor, the deceased and deputy Ilyukhin, sent inquiries about the "illegal" detention of Khabarovsk thieves in law? Well, the last of Dzhem. And Voronenkov, for what merits to the cause of building communism, was included in the lists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and became a Duma deputy? Maybe for the same ones for which Khodorkovsky paid for his own people in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from Yukos

Is edra better than that? Or do not you follow them?

[avt]

Quote: jetfors_84

Or do not you follow them?

There is someone to follow them, and they even plant themselves.

Quote: jetfors_84

Is edra better than that?

Well, what's the difference between them? Specifically, starting with

Quote: avt

Are you actually blowing in the ears? For those who have forgotten about the ,, red belt "of the times of EBN-ah? About Gena Seleznev and Orlovsky pepper in the ,, Senate" -the Council of Federations? About how your Zu Gano Pin leaked the EBN-y won elections with the words “Otherwise, the war will start "North and South". And then, when the actual threat to his personal ass passed, he went to court with "unfair elections."

That’s the difference between them, if your Zyu Ganov Ping brought the Communist Party to a state

There is no difference between Truth and Falsehood
Unless, of course, undress both.

Change the name and you will not notice any difference - both here and here is a business project and not a gram of ideology. But the leadership of the Communist Party’s zyuganate is only meaner, it parasitizes and monetizes the memories of the USSR.

[020500]

Quote: avt

Change the name and you will not notice any difference - both here and here is a business project and not a gram of ideology. But the leadership of the Communist Party’s zyuganate is only meaner, it parasitizes and monetizes the memories of the USSR.

Moreover, it compromises the entire left movement

[Shkiper]

Ms Maksakova, devoted to the ideals of the struggle for United Russia?

[avt]

Quote: Shkiper

Ms Maksakova, devoted to the ideals of the struggle for United Russia?

Read carefully!

Quote: avt

Change the name and you will not notice any difference - both here and here is a business project and not a gram of ideology. But the leadership of the Communist Party’s zyuganate is only meaner, it parasitizes and monetizes the memories of the USSR.

[perm23]

and her husband was from what party. Let's be honest about everyone

[Grits]

And you probably also danced nearby?
When Comrade Cherepkov was in office, a corephan worked at the Vladivostok City Hall. So he told me that Cherepkov ... how to put it more correctly ... - was very partial to males.

[malyvalv]

It doesn't matter who is against whom. The very fact when it remains to count 5% of the votes, they "suddenly" are given for one candidate is lawlessness.
Compared to that, all the crime that you have listed is children's games.
In general, it is not clear why it was necessary to arrange a "circus with horses", that is, these elections of governors. They would have appointed the end of the matter as before. No, hunt for "democracy" to play. But it doesn't work.

[bessmertniy]

In theory, it is necessary to recognize the elections as invalid and establish direct presidential rule of Primorye.

[kakvastam]

Quote: avt

Are you actually blowing in your ears?

You piled everything together, but in vain.
The fact that Zyuganov scared in the ninety-sixth does not cancel the possible election fraud today.

[tasha]

We must wait for the final counting of votes ... Such behavior of the candidate is alarming ...

Three, two, one .. Let’s start ...

[Volodin]

Quote: tasha

We must wait for the final counting of votes ... Such behavior of the candidate is alarming ...

Apparently, the candidate is simply familiar with mathematics, and realizes that if you toss a coin five thousand times, it is unlikely that all 5 thousand times will be "heads". The election commission fell out ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: tasha

We must wait for the final counting of votes ... Such behavior of the candidate is alarming ...

Apparently, the candidate is simply familiar with mathematics, and realizes that if you toss a coin five thousand times, it is unlikely that all 5 thousand times will be "heads". The election commission fell out ...

[tasha]

that if you flip a coin five thousand times, it is unlikely that all 5 thousand times will be "heads"

Elections are not games of "heads / tails" .. Especially with such a gap ... It is necessary to look at the full schedule of fluctuations, take into account the peculiarities of the region, the procedure for receiving the PEC protocols .. So everything is not simple, for example, the results could come from another cities where the positions of the United Russia candidate are strong.

[pormezan]

No need to fantasize! As long as the elections are held anonymously, the results will always be rigged in favor of the current government.

[Pax tecum]

Why is it needed, is it a secret ballot?
Secret voting, unlike open voting, cannot be verified after it, which leads to possible manipulation of the elections and falsification of voting results.

And, the countries of Europe in general refuse electronic voting. In particular, France and Germany refused to 2007 for obvious reasons. But, on the contrary, it is presented as an advanced achievement, again, with a clear goal.

[Mestny]

These details are not necessary for fighters with a cut.
Their a priori blame power.
By the way, I have a direct relationship to the election as a member of the commission.
So, an example. 560 people voted in a small area, of which 312 were for the representative of EP.
I ask the wrestlers - who is your doctor? Whoever you ask, everybody fires power. And as for the elections - they vote for it.
Believed honestly, I answer.
It’s not clear who prevents the people from voting against United Russia, for example, for the Communist Party.
Maybe everything is not as you say, and the people are really far from eating the last hedgehogs without salt?
Then, in this case, your cries for a change of power are empty talk.

[Mr Credo]

Oddly enough, this fact takes place. In face-to-face communication, everything is against, in the election, everything is FOR! And the question is. Only supporters go to the polls? Why opponents do not want to go to the polls? Is everything decided in advance? But what about conversations about conscience? I did everything I could !? Or, I didn’t even lift a finger !? So what are the questions and complaints?

[kakvastam]

Quote: Mister Creed

Only supporters go to the polls?

Oddly enough, yes!
Look how they campaigned even here, on VO, not to mention all sorts of telegram and VKontaktikov resources, "vote with their feet", through one they whined - "nothing depends on us", "I won't go, it's disgusting", "it's a pity for the time", etc. .P. And the supporters were mobilized through other channels, in the most intelligible way.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Mestny

These details are not necessary for fighters with a cut.
Their a priori blame power.
By the way, I have a direct relationship to the election as a member of the commission.
So, an example. 560 people voted in a small area, of which 312 were for the representative of EP.
I ask the wrestlers - who is your doctor? Whoever you ask, everybody fires power. And as for the elections - they vote for it.
Believed honestly, I answer.
It’s not clear who prevents the people from voting against United Russia, for example, for the Communist Party.
Maybe everything is not as you say, and the people are really far from eating the last hedgehogs without salt?
Then, in this case, your cries for a change of power are empty talk.

When there are debates with admirers of Mr. Putin, they often try to smash my arguments and other opponents of the current government to smithereens with what they think is "reinforced concrete" argument: do you want it like in Ukraine? Well, I will remind such gentlemen that it was the situation at the elections in Ukraine that became the catalyst for upheavals in the state. Comments on the article in amur.info: "Oh Artyom, Nakhodka, Ussuriisk, etc. There they still do not give the final protocol. The territorial election commissions simply dispersed on a command from above. Our people remained waiting for the protocols and refused to leave the buildings of the territorial election commissions. Then the bandits in power called the police. They tried to drive them out by force. Investigators from the Criminal Investigation Department arrived. They ask our people. They are intimidated, some fear for their future life in Primorye. There is no protocol. But they are already taking away the victory. Our candidate is on a hunger strike on the square. I have never seen such horror. Damn such power!"
Another comment:
"The last few PECs drew Tarasenko 100% of the vote. 100, his mother, percent !!!"

Why are people so outraged? That's why: (source prim.news) "At three polling stations in the Ussuriysk urban district, the candidate for governor of the Primorsky Territory, Andrei Tarasenko, received 100% of the votes. This follows from the data on the website of the Election Commission of the Primorsky Territory."
I have repeatedly written about the inevitability of turmoil in our country. And the citizens of the Zaputins laugh and, following the authorities, repeat the spell of stability and cannot understand how this (the beginning of unrest) should look like. Exactly like this: "Damn such power!" in the mouths of the population, and there is the beginning of turmoil. Those. The authorities continue to lose support and legitimacy in the eyes of the population with their almost uncovered "tricks" with the elections, the results of the past elections have shown this well. Even when the support of a candidate by Mr. Putin is a previously guaranteed victory, now it is no longer a guarantee at all, and moreover, the very support of Putin by the people as a result of such actions crumbles. What will happen next. If the authorities admit that the results are falsified and the candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation won. Firstly, people will understand that the authorities got scared and backed down and next time they will more actively defend their rights, incl. at the elections. Plus, you will have to start a UD on those guilty of rigging, which will cause discontent and distrust among the local elites, who will rightly believe that the federal government has surrendered them. And in the next elections, those who want to sign whatever they want will be greatly reduced. If the government will shove "like a bull to the gate" and appoint Tarasenko as the winner, then the government can be congratulated on the victory, just like this: "Damn such power!" Trouble begins when there are no good options and steps left, this is the tsutswang of power. Am I glad what I see? Definitely NO, as the results of the Troubles can be any, and I'm not going abroad with my relatives. But no one has yet been able to abolish the laws of sociology in society by their willful decision. And yet, when the turmoil enters the active phase, of course, I cannot say for sure, but I can say for sure that the transition of quantitative changes to qualitative ones is inevitable and this (transition) will be abruptly rapid (laws of dialectics). As a result, what can I say to the stubborn gentlemen zaputintsy, you do not even understand how ridiculous your arguments and you who broadcast them are. After all, is it true that the elections in Ukraine were not held that way and the population, after each such elections, continued to love the authorities "more and more"? Well, who here wants to be like in Ukraine, you or us?

[Beringovsky]

"Do you want to be like in Ukraine?" - but this is from the manual, this is sacred

[sunzhenets]

Quote: tasha

-9
Elections are not games of "heads / tails" .. Especially with such a gap ... It is necessary to look at the full schedule of fluctuations, take into account the peculiarities of the region, the procedure for receiving the PEC protocols .. So everything is not simple, for example, the results could come from another cities where the positions of the United Russia candidate are strong.

This is an instruction to members of the electoral committee from United Russia "What explanations to give when checking the election results?"

[Grits]

I personally attended some meetings with I.O. Governor Tarasenko. The impression of him is a real man who knows his job. He took up the development of Primorye very zealously. Not only in Vladivostok new projects began to appear, but also in the outback. Investments began to come to the region. He forced large and medium-sized businesses to work on social projects. It is clear that Tarasenko would have been much preferable to Primorye.
BUT. Nevertheless - to conduct elections and vote counting in this way is, of course, too much!

[210ox]

Elections, elections ... Then I will keep silent about the candidates .. And about the "technologies" of these in general .. Some kind of gadyushnik.

[Mestny]

In order to judge technologies, it is necessary to participate in them, and not to hang noodles over the ears in Internet companies.
I tell:
The results are calculated after the polls close at 20-00 in the presence of observers from various parties participating in the elections. Despite the fact that they all close at 20-00, the vote count in time is very different. Somewhere there are more voters, somewhere the commission itself is slower. Somewhere, observers tend to disrupt the elections in general, putting forward unreasonable claims (most often this is different from the Communist Party)
As a result of the vote count, documents are generated, everything is sealed upin the presence of observers, signatures are put if everything is normal, and only then the chairman of the commission goes to the TEC with a package of documents.
The process of receiving documents in the TEC is accordingly delayed, a queue arises. For example, until 2-00 at night.
Actual overall results understandable too can vary greatly as you receive the results commissions.
Up to this point, until the time the documents are submitted, no one knows the actual results of the elections.
All that the commission reports on the precinct during the voting process until 20-00 is the percentage of turnout. All.
I repeat once again - there is no point in cheating on the site - as it turned out, the people themselves vote for EP.
The only way the commission at the polling station can "help" the elections is to ensure the turnout. But to vote - sorry, everyone himself.

[K-612-O]

Have you ever participated in a commission or were you an observer? After the 12th year everything is very tough there. And the transition to insults is evidence of the absence of arguments.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: K-612-O

Have you ever participated in a commission or were you an observer? After the 12th year everything is very tough there. And the transition to insults is evidence of the absence of arguments.

We read carefully: (source prim.news) "At three polling stations in the Ussuriysk urban district, the candidate for governor of the Primorsky Territory, Andrey Tarasenko received 100% of the vote... This follows from the data on the website of the Election Commission of the Primorsky Territory. "And while you are repeating your" reinforced concrete "argument:" After the 12th year everything is very tough there. "You are trying (just trying) to explain these 100% in terms of statistics. ran for popcorn.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Leshy1975

At three polling stations, Tarasenko received 100% of the vote.

Quote: Leshy1975

Get started, I ran for popcorn.

Put three packs of popcorn in the microwave, cook, open ... And then all the "corncobs" opened up! There is not a single one uncovered.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Tibidokh

Quote: Leshy1975

At three polling stations, Tarasenko received 100% of the vote.

Quote: Leshy1975

Get started, I ran for popcorn.

Put three packs of popcorn in the microwave, cook, open ... And then all the "corncobs" opened up! There is not a single one uncovered.

I tried to cook, and not everyone is revealed there, and they won’t give a single vote for one of the TWO candidates. I'd rather really believe in popcorn.

[milling machine]

Quote: Mestny

In order to judge technologies, it is necessary to participate in them, and not to hang noodles over the ears in Internet companies.
I tell:
The results are calculated after the polls close at 20-00 in the presence of observers from various parties participating in the elections. Despite the fact that they all close at 20-00, the vote count in time is very different. Somewhere there are more voters, somewhere the commission itself is slower. Somewhere, observers tend to disrupt the elections in general, putting forward unreasonable claims (most often this is different from the Communist Party)
As a result of the vote count, documents are generated, everything is sealed upin the presence of observers, signatures are put if everything is normal, and only then the chairman of the commission goes to the TEC with a package of documents.
The process of receiving documents in the TEC is accordingly delayed, a queue arises. For example, until 2-00 at night.
Actual overall results understandable too can vary greatly as you receive the results commissions.
Up to this point, until the time the documents are submitted, no one knows the actual results of the elections.
All that the commission reports on the precinct during the voting process until 20-00 is the percentage of turnout. All.
I repeat once again - there is no point in cheating on the site - as it turned out, the people themselves vote for EP.
The only way the commission at the polling station can "help" the elections is to ensure the turnout. But to vote - sorry, everyone himself.

Are you making coma "humpbacked"? With new electronic ballot boxes - the result on the site is already known by 22: 00 + -. And you can cheat with this system so that no one can prove anything. Yes, there is still a visiting "home vote" visiting commission with an observer from the ruling party. And also a lot of people have recently begun to walk with absentee ballots. Sometimes with an absentee certificate, such shots come that you sit and do not understand how this person did the absentee ballot.
And yes, I also know what I'm writing about, because also was an observer in the elections.

[020500]

“The candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation retained the advantage even after counting 97,87% of the protocols. At that time, 50,37% of voters (241 thousand votes) voted for Ishchenko (47,11 thousand votes), Tarasenko had 225,5% (XNUMX thousand . votes). "

Turn on arithmetic: 97,87% = 466,5, hence 100% = 477

477-466,5 = 10,5

The balance of uncounted votes = 10,5 thousand.

Even if all of them are added to Tarasenko’s 225,5, alas, there will be 236. What would be less than 241.

Such is the math

[kakvastam]

Quote: Mestny

In order to judge technologies, it is necessary to participate in them, and not to hang noodles over the ears in Internet companies.

Unfortunately, everything happens in very different ways - somewhere around three observers for each urn are watching, but somewhere there are no volunteers, so there is always room for maneuver.

[Grits]

In order to judge technologies, it is necessary to participate in them, and not to hang noodles over the ears in Internet companies.
Totally agree with you. Since he was more than once a member of the PEC and chairman. Everything is done exactly as you described. Especially in small areas it will not be possible to cheat. Organizationally. And all PEC members are intimidated by possible criminal cases in the case of muhlezh and will never go to forgery. Perhaps all these frauds are done at the TEC level or, even more likely, higher.

[goblin xnumx]

also a lie- I saw how in the villages they brought passports in packages of shops and put checkmarks where- look at the video from the sites — packs of ballots of 10–20 pieces folded in half fall out — I wonder how they got so accurately and who folded them in the same way in half? in the city’s precincts, simply folded bale leaflets from the urn are piled into one without looking for any checkmarks and simply summarizing the result, but no one is hiding, but observers? —the Communist Party observer killed in a conversation with a statement that it was the Communists who were to blame for all the troubles of Russia ... such observers ... but in general, elections, cool, feed, drink and show the circus :)

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mestny

In order to judge technologies, it is necessary to participate in them, and not to hang noodles over the ears in Internet companies.
I tell:
The results are calculated after the polls close at 20-00 in the presence of observers from various parties participating in the elections. Despite the fact that they all close at 20-00, the vote count in time is very different. Somewhere there are more voters, somewhere the commission itself is slower. Somewhere, observers tend to disrupt the elections in general, putting forward unreasonable claims (most often this is different from the Communist Party)
As a result of the vote count, documents are generated, everything is sealed upin the presence of observers, signatures are put if everything is normal, and only then the chairman of the commission goes to the TEC with a package of documents.
The process of receiving documents in the TEC is accordingly delayed, a queue arises. For example, until 2-00 at night.
Actual overall results understandable too can vary greatly as you receive the results commissions.
Up to this point, until the time the documents are submitted, no one knows the actual results of the elections.
All that the commission reports on the precinct during the voting process until 20-00 is the percentage of turnout. All.
Replay again
I see - it makes no sense to cheat on the site - as it turned out, the people themselves vote for EP.
The only way the commission at the polling station can "help" the elections is to ensure the turnout. But to vote - sorry, everyone himself.

The election result is known when the PEC protocol is signed. What the chairman then hands over does not apply to the results anymore - in the TEC protocol the data must coincide with the PEC protocol. I had 2 cases when it did not match, but after talking with the regional IR, everything was restored. Swam, know (s)

[goblin xnumx]

so then everything seems to be true, but except for the penultimate paragraph, paragraph-lies ... though- this is now the norm at all levels

[Andrey Yuryevich]

someone was surprised? our elections are fair, infa 146%. (Can American hackers interfere in the election?)

[DEDPIHTO]

Yes, it’s the local children of Lieutenant Schmidt who consider the newsletters

[konstantin68]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

(Can American hackers interfere in the election?)

Well, in any case, Russia does not scream about this to the whole world, like the United States you love.

[DEDPIHTO]

Feel free to ask how to rate your post? How pride for, our, quiet Panikovskih?

[Mestny]

Yes, they write Russian to you in white - you can rave on the Internet as much as you like.
In reality, the results are different. And it’s not at all because the election committee is deceiving.
This is your ideology is false, claiming that everything has already disappeared, and it's time to break everything.

[DEDPIHTO]

Like elections, familiar characters appear in the past, presidential elections. Kotovsky is still not enough, and a few more particularly active ones — why were they removed from the allowance? And who is screaming that everything is gone ??? There are no hopeless situations, and with the collapse of the USSR, nothing ended, except in the minds of those who sold and destroyed the Great Country. Socialism will still defeat the snickering minority and this is only the first signs, I mean the elections in those regions where the Bolsheviks (that's what I call the Communist Party because of the ideas of socialism, good for the majority) defeated edro, because the demand for social justice is very great. Grind your teeth while they are ..

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

100 years ago for this you had to take a vintar and climb the barricades, specifically risking your head. I don’t think that now social justice can be “won” by Internet voting. The ghouls will not give up "their" honestly stolen "for the bulletin".

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh

The ghouls will not give up "their" honestly stolen "for the bulletin".

Nothing, dear comrade. Only we will be angrier ... Here is an interesting episode for doubters and instructive for the defenders of the oligarchy.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Here is an interesting episode

A MASTERIAL episode: "Here you are rested - so I came to you."

[kakvastam]

Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh

The ghouls will not give up "their" honestly stolen "for the bulletin".

So.
What is interesting is precisely their tendency to ignore the mood of the masses in the end and will lead to an explosion.
Nothing has changed for thousands of years!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh

100 years ago for this you had to take a vintar and climb the barricades, specifically risking your head. I don’t think that now social justice can be “won” by Internet voting. The ghouls will not give up "their" honestly stolen "for the bulletin".

Let me remind you of Prokhorov’s words about 10 years ago from television — if someone tries to cancel the results of privatization, the country will be washed with blood. And, mind you, he didn’t have anything for it. For granted, damn it.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Mestny

Yes, they write Russian to you in white - you can rave on the Internet as much as you like.
In reality, the results are different. And it’s not at all because the election committee is deceiving.
This is your ideology is false, claiming that everything has already disappeared, and it's time to break everything.

It is, of course, the Internet (in the modern world) so, ugh, zilch. I agree if, according to V.I. Lenin (I am good) and only letter to letter: "... So that a) telephone, b) telegraph, c) railway stations ..."
The first, obligatory, according to Lenin, conditions for a successful uprising. "
He, of course, did not write anything about the Internet, and therefore, a change of power without these and only these (since he did not write anything about the Internet) conditions is not possible. But there is, after all, a rather fresh example. A certain Madame, in one well-known country, was so sure of her real victory that some real supporters even managed to print a real magazine with Madame President on the cover. What then? But nothing, did not become president, you know the Internet fox.

And more about reality. In reality, all the "patriots" from the authorities know how the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR dream of returning to Ukraine. For example, the opinion of a deputy from United Russia (in the ruling party, of course, everyone must be patriots, otherwise they are unworthy): "The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in a few years may return to Ukraine. More precisely, they could. There is a prerequisite for returning, which, however , is practically impossible.
This opinion was expressed by the deputy of the State Duma of Russia Konstantin Zatulin, emphasizing that return is possible on the basis of confederation, writes “Komsomolskaya Pravda”.
“I would very much like to be optimistic. The best option is such revolutionary changes in Ukraine, in which there would be the possibility of the return of the DPR and LPR to the country on a confederation. "Also real TV., On various real programs with real experts this was repeatedly emphasized. Going to meet such wishes, the GDP and the Minsk Agreements concocted. For this, the soldiers in the trenches are fighting against the Ukrainian army to return. This is the reality of the" patriots "from Go to the DPR or LPR on the front line and there about this reality (the desire to return to Ukraine), as a result of the Minsk agreements, you can discuss with the fighters in a warm and friendly atmosphere. And then here, on the VO website, share how reality coincided with the opinion of the people there. If, of course, write and speak, after the collision of realities, you can. And so it is of course: "In reality, the results are different."

[minus]

The magic of numbers)))) Mathematics magic science)))

[Fitter65]

Normal for EP. In the Khabarovsk Territory, there will also be "repeaters", and in many polling stations the video broadcast of the elections is turned off - there is no money. Some of the PEC members will be replaced by others. In general, not by washing, so by rolling.

[Ingvar 72]

Or maybe the bilutes were brought from the "zone".

[Opera]

Well, why wonder here ?! Everything happens in this life! Here I had 10 pluses yesterday evening, and in the morning of minuses, already 20 !!! And this is not the first time! I don’t stomp my feet for engaging in VO and violating freedom of speech !!! And I don’t go on strike, although I want to go on strike on Monday, something special ... For a long time, the Bolsheviks noticed the most active under cover of night! And could the moon be full? Only straightening is stricter -
time 6.25 almost reached work. And what is this election criterion - "can it not be?" It is also possible in another way - abydna yes!

[Opera]

Well! Now with the minuses, everything is fine! Sleep for a long time, comrades! Tell me, in many regions, the communists still won and their type was "rolled"? Or is Primorye we have one such stronghold for the Red Army ?!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Oper

Tell me, in many regions, the communists still won and their type was "rolled"?

Igor - do you see all of God's dew? And then. that only 25% of the population came to the polls around the country, is this normal? The people do not believe in power or in elections, and they are right. And you are doing well, beautiful marquise.

[Opera]

Ingvar, we didn’t drink at the Brudershaft! So that you behave decently and if you are treated then try without familiarities. And why are you even telling me something? I’m personally speaking here on my own, but for some reason you are from the people ??? This is generally your Bolshevik tradition of irresponsibility. It seems like you say, but it seems like the people ... What social group or other group of people has authorized you to broadcast here? Are you out of the dusk then leave do not be afraid ?! I’m also from the people and people around me and imagine I’m not satisfied with the hunger strike, and I don’t skip at meetings at traffic lights! Don't like the turnout? Well, come and win! What? Fool you anyway? Well, this is generally some kind of childish naive - injured logic! Look at how much you drew on VO - you won’t erase it! Is someone infringing you here? It’s you shut up your mouths here! No, really ?! Or is it only in VO? And nationwide? AND? And not visible during the day with fire at night with torches? Do you know why? On September 9, it was honestly even unpleasant for me to look at all of these jumping galloping poles, with swearing placards, bottles and stones from the crowd cowardly hurling and running away and screaming vileness, from under the silence from behind with faces distorted from anger trying to hit the police poles their flags in the neck under a helmet! Vile sight! And what do you think is the impression of an adult who displays emoticons banging his forehead and twisting his finger at the temple ??? Do you have an emoticon sitting on a pillar ?!
Well, and about the communists who are always crying and for the honesty of the suffering, avt very clearly explained everything to you and about their betrayal and cowardice! I have nothing to add! Is it that only the oligarchs began to have their non-partisan but sympathetic people! Such a trend - whose cow would moo ...

[Freeman]

Ingvar 72 (Igor) Today, 08: 07
Igor - do you see all of God's dew?

Be condescending. It's just that a person lives "positive"

Oper (Igor) Today, 09: 43
Do you have an emoticon sitting on a pillar ?!

Especially for you

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Oper

Are you out of the dusk then leave do not be afraid ?!

Yes, I was not hiding. The name is real, IP is the same. Or indicate your passport number?

Quote: Oper

Well, come and win! What? Fool you anyway?

You are either too naive or .... Although there is a third option - you are at work, and your job is to tap the keys in favor of EP.

Quote: Oper

On September 9th, it was honestly even unpleasant for me to look at all of these jumping galloping poles.

But I was disgusted to look at the faces on billboards, once again promising people a sweet life. In Togliatti only run for the mountains. the thought from EP was worth 3.5 million rubles. Ugh!

[Opera]

You, Ingvar, understood my question! Why are you saying that on behalf of the people ?! I don't need your passport! I hope you haven't done anything illegal ?! If that is so voluntarily in the nearest OMVD! Further - if you find here at least one of my comments in favor of both EP and any other party, I give you the word of an officer, I will apologize publicly. I am non-partisan. But if we have a really conservative party, I will definitely support it! As for the "cost" of being a deputy to the Togliatti Duma, come to Moscow. If you have evidence, of course, or just serious material that can be trusted. I will meet you personally and go with you and submit an application. If, of course, you are not stupidly lying, then you will have to answer, but do not worry about the law! The price you named was too ridiculous ...)) They put comrades from smaller towns than yours for fraud, so they "sold" positions there for large sums, but it is shown on TV regularly. Do you want me to accept the minutes of your oral statement? In a personal write, I will explain how?

[igorbrsv]

Our Communist Party won.

[_Sergei_]

Heal now as in communism.

[Bull Terrier]

In general, this is not so. For sprats, an entire delegation comes here to correct the situation. Furgal will destroy the region, it is incompetent in general in nothing! I am already so slightly shocked by the fact that he is gaining votes. I don’t understand how and who votes for him.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bull Terrier

For sprats, an entire delegation comes here to correct the situation. Furgal will destroy the region, it is incompetent in general in nothing! I am already so slightly shocked by the fact that he is gaining votes. I don’t understand how and who votes for him.

My family and I, and these are 4 votes voted for Furgal ... It was just that those who were stuck got it, the edge was when the representative of the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory pressed strawberries with a jeep from a local entrepreneur. And what can he be a member of the EP. True, at first such a high-profile investigation was promised, then it turned out that the day before the pokatushek on the strawberry field, he ceased to be a confidant, but he left the EP “one and a half” hours before that. Honestly, the United Russia Party became one to one KPSS of the late 1980s, just one person under a different name. By the way, if you remember why Shport won the election for the first time? Just the second candidate for the post of governor of the Khabarovsk Territory was drum roll - R. Khasbulatov

[Bull Terrier]

You apparently do not know this person well ... He has been known for a very long time. Viktor Ivanovich, compared with him, is a child, despite his past tricks. People should be chosen, not a party. You just read about his exploits, I think in the internet from 90 years of his adventures preserved.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bull Terrier

You just read about his exploits, I think in the internet from 90 years of his adventures preserved.

But somehow about the exploits of others there is not a little interesting, though not everything is true that you can find on the Internet.

[Bull Terrier]

Not that case. The man on whom the killings were quite realistically tried on even in the 90s, that says a lot. And what he does with crowbars and metal in the region in general is generally a song.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Not that case. The man on whom the killings were quite realistically tried on even in the 90s, that says a lot. And what he does with crowbars and metal in the region in general is generally a song.

And who is this untouchable with us?

[Bull Terrier]

Wagon. I say, so as not to be unfounded, look for yourself. Old newspapers, blogs on Amurmetal. How does he solve issues. This is a candid gangster under the prosecutor’s roof.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Wagon. I say, so as not to be unfounded, look for yourself. Old newspapers, blogs on Amurmetal. How does he solve issues. This is a candid gangster under the prosecutor’s roof.

That is, you claim that this candidate is not only not in the legal field, but in these illegal actions are employees of the regional prosecutor’s office covering him? You yourself are aware of what article you are applying for? The fact that at one time there were different gossip that did not find confirmation from law enforcement agencies, is not yet a ban to propose a citizen of the Russian Federation his candidacy as candidate for governor of the Khabarovsk Territory. Although there are a lot of different gossip about the second candidate, you don’t bring them as a counterargument to vote against. By the way, why if we talk about one, let's tell us about the other!

[Bull Terrier]

Sport is a peculiar person. Ambitions are big, nr no crush. I do not consider him a super leader, but he has one plus. It is stable. The edge did not slide into the pit with him. As for the rest. Your will. Yura Krab also did not sit, would they also vote for him or for his brother?)

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Yura Krab also did not sit, would they also vote for him or for his brother?)

Sorry, but who is this? Something I did not see such candidates for governors.

Quote: Bull Terrier

Sport is a peculiar person. Ambitions are big, nr no crush. I do not consider him a super leader, but he has one plus. It is stable. The edge did not slide into the pit with him.

And what do you think will slide into the pit? Have you traveled on Khumminskoye Highway for the last 4 years? Well, or from Amursk to Elban? It's all of course the local leaders are to blame. What has been going on with red fish in recent years? Do you know how much an unbroken female goes for? 700-800 rubles. And this is on the Amur River, say resellers pulled up the price, but why the hell did they pull it so sharply, like salaries in the region, except for the deputies of our regional Duma, they didn’t raise it. Then we shout from all the stands it is necessary to attract people to the Far East, but how to stop the outflow of the local population there is no such word. By the way, do you know who bought the Komsomolsky-on-Amur airport? Or do you think that local businessmen would not have enough money? What happened to us three years ago with Kraydorstroi, what became of it, what organization began to repair our roads there?

[perm23]

You're right. We must choose people and not the name of the party.

[faridg7]

Quote: Bull Terrier

In general, this is not so. For sprats, an entire delegation comes here to correct the situation. Furgal will destroy the region, it is incompetent in general in nothing! I am already so slightly shocked by the fact that he is gaining votes. I don’t understand how and who votes for him.

What is not clear then? The people do not vote for Furgal, but against United Russia.

[Tahtvjd2868]

You are absolutely right! What in Primorye what in the Hub! The people are clearly against it! Enrages them with absolute impudence! It’s yummy to spit on ordinary people! They would have a warmer place and more satisfying..adaptists.

[AndreyS]

Quote: Fitter65

Normal for EP. In the Khabarovsk Territory, there will also be "repeaters", and in many polling stations the video broadcast of the elections is turned off - there is no money. Some of the PEC members will be replaced by others.

Where does the respected information come from ?! If there is specific data, then you are not here on the forum, but a direct path to the prosecutor’s office with a statement (the article is pulling for a criminal case), and even better an open letter to the president (with an exact indication of the sites that don’t have money, and where the commissions change ), so the results will not be able to remain silent))))
We believe in you! Forward!

[Fitter65]

Quote: AndreyS

Where does the respected information come from ?! If there is specific data, then you are not here on the forum, but a direct path to the prosecutor’s office with a statement (the article is pulling for a criminal case), and even better an open letter to the president (with an exact indication of the sites that don’t have money, and where the commissions change ), so the results will not be able to remain silent))))
We believe in you! Forward!

Sometimes read the news of the region, if only in Mile.ru if you can’t find where it is, I quote

87 million rubles will be allocated from the regional budget for the second round of elections. However, this is not enough for everything. At first it was planned to spend 97 million, but it was not possible to find such an amount. Therefore, the region decided to refuse direct video broadcasting from polling stations. But the election commission is sure that this will not affect the transparency of the elections. But there are still concerns.
According to the regional election committee, the composition of precinct election commissions this year has been updated by almost 30%, which means that PEC members themselves can intervene in the popular vote. Since these are new people and for the most part not experienced, which means they can easily succumb to pressure from the outside. This opinion was expressed by Kirill Tmykalov, a member of the regional election commission with a casting vote.

“You can expect anything now.” I think that they will now go to countermeasures and make every effort to do so. Mainly in PECs are teachers, teachers and employees of budgetary institutions. First of all, they will put pressure on the person’s personality. Under the threat of dismissal, forcing them to photograph the ballot with the necessary mark in the column. One hundred percent, that if there are no observers at the polling station, there will be no person with the right of deliberative vote, there will be a face-off. After all, there will be no video surveillance at the polling stations.

Oyars Mashkov, secretary of the regional election commission, informed by telephone that changes and replacements in the composition of the commissions are possible before the second round of elections at the polling stations. How many percent - he did not answer. However, he said that they would not centrally conduct a familiarization seminar on legal liability with newcomers before the second round.
- That is unnecessary. During all training seminars from June to September, responsibility was generally discussed in each district.

According to the regional election committee, 781 precinct, 23 territorial and regional election commissions will be involved in ensuring the conduct of the elections of the Governor of the Territory.

What more do you need? You can find out where and in which areas it is decided to refuse on the website of the regional election commission. Any questions for me on this issue?

[AndreyS]

Quote: Fitter65

What more do you need? You can find out where and in which areas it is decided to refuse on the website of the regional election commission. Any questions for me on this issue? hi

And I do not need more dear! I suggest that you do it by legal means, that is, send a letter to the prosecutor’s office with a proposal to verify information about a violation of the legislation of the Russian Federation.
True, looking at the disadvantages that I was thrown on the proposal legal proceedings for violations, I begin to understand that in this case, NO ONE needs it! And you just need to raise a wave ... But just why is this wave?
Now let's take a look at what you wrote

Quote: Fitter65

Some PEC members will be replaced by others. In general, not by washing, so by skating.

, and now what is in the Komsomolskaya Pravda - "...According to the regional election committee, the composition of precinct election commissions this year was updated by almost 30%, which means that PEC members themselves can intervene in the popular vote. Since these are new people and for the most part not experienced, which means they can easily succumb to pressure from the outside. This opinion was expressed by Kirill Tmykalov, a member of the regional election commission with a casting vote ..."https://www.hab.kp.ru/daily/26882.5/3926026/ You don't think, dear, that you are a little dissemble?!

[Fitter65]

Quote: AndreyS

I suggest that you do it by legal means, that is, send a letter to the prosecutor’s office with a proposal to verify information about a violation of the legislation of the Russian Federation.
True, looking at the disadvantages that I was thrown on the proposal of a legal proceeding on the facts of violations, I begin to understand that in this case, NO one needs it! And you just need to raise a wave ... But just why is this wave?

To begin with, I did not throw you cons. And where do you see the violation of the law, because Russian is written in white

87 million rubles will be allocated from the regional budget for the second round of elections. However, this is not enough for everything. At first it was planned to spend 97 million, but it was not possible to find such an amount. Therefore, the region decided to refuse direct video broadcasting from polling stations.

No funding, what claims?

Quote: AndreyS

Do not you think dear that you are a little disingenuous? !!!

In what sense? I gave you a quote in full, I will give again.

This opinion was expressed by Kirill Tmykalov, a member of the regional election commission with a casting vote.

“You can expect anything now.” I think that they will now go to countermeasures and make every effort to do so. Mainly in PECs are teachers, teachers and employees of budgetary institutions. First of all, they will put pressure on the person’s personality. Under the threat of dismissal, forcing them to photograph the ballot with the necessary mark in the column. One hundred percent, that if there are no observers at the polling station, there will be no person with the right of deliberative vote, there will be a face-off. After all, there will be no video surveillance at the polling stations.

Oyars Mashkov, secretary of the regional election commission, informed by telephone that changes and replacements in the composition of the commissions are possible before the second round of elections at the polling stations. How many percent - he did not answer. However, he said that they would not centrally conduct a familiarization seminar on legal liability with newcomers before the second round.
- That is unnecessary. During all training seminars from June to September, responsibility was generally discussed in each district.

And what am I cunning? After all, a member of the regional election commission says in plain text that You can expect anything now. Of course, it’s clear that those who, if Furgal is elected, will be driven away now, especially since Furgal promised to cut officials in the province by 20%, I don’t know how he will succeed. But wait and see if we re-elect ! Is not it?

[Bull Terrier]

This is all superfluous. Zhirik arrives, he comes across so many people in all areas of his that there will be nothing to breathe there)))

[milling machine]

And someone here still believes in the institution of elections? Naive people. If the authorities knew that it could lose the elections, then the elections would have been canceled long ago.

[Boris55]

Quote: frezer

And someone here still believes in the institution of elections?

Do you have a suggestion how to choose without an election? I would like to hear - how? Square elections such as Maidan-not to offer.

[AID.S]

Quote: frezer

And someone here still believes in the institution of elections?

I believe in the institution of elections. Correct institution. But a possible violation of the law raises concerns. However, the situation here is simple, you need to double-check the latest data (you need something, "but someone will give him!" ), where the percentage for is under 100 and, in case of falsification, to plant the chairmen of PECs. If you create such a precedent, then the rest will immediately become "honest". By the way, in some village, the data, with a general poll, can be double-checked by a dozen bloggers.
And finding them to the Communists is not a problem.

[reservist]

Quote: AID.S

in case of falsification, plant PEC chairpersons

so far they are crushing those who catch counterfeiters ...

[igorbrsv]

. If the authorities knew that it could lose the elections, then the elections would have been canceled long ago.

Why haven’t been canceled so far

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: igorbrsv

. If the authorities knew that it could lose the elections, then the elections would have been canceled long ago.

Why haven’t been canceled so far

Unwillingness to get another kick from the bourgeois, democratic, world makes us play in the democratic elections. Those in power to the scabies are striving for the world bourgeois club, where they are not accepted for equal in any way ... current as their slaves.

[rotmistr60]

For some reason, I remembered a cartoon about a calf that could count to ten. At first, everyone was indignant that they were counted, and then it came in handy in a critical situation. You also need to be able to "count".

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: rotmistr60

For some reason, I remembered a cartoon about a calf, which could count to ten.

there was a kid ... but apparently grew ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

there was a kid ... but apparently grew ..

Apparently the whole herd has grown.

[sabotage]

No need to rock the boat, otherwise it will be like the Ukrainians! This is all the machinations of the State Department and the public debt! If something is illegal, the CEC will figure it out - there are smarter than you and me.

[Rimlianin]

Yes, and also see what exercises we conducted with the Chinese! Let America fear us! And we almost won in Syria, we are completing the Nord Stream and everything is bad in / in Ukraine !!!

[konstantin68]

Quote: Rimlianin

Yes, and also see what exercises we conducted with the Chinese! Let America fear us! And we almost won in Syria, we are completing the Nord Stream and everything is bad in / in Ukraine !!!

And you are all bad in Russia! God forbid such people in power - "elections" in Primorye will seem like a model of democracy. Well, or it will not be necessary to choose, who has a grenade and "activists" - that one won, like our neighbors, where everything is fine.

[Rimlianin]

Do you personally know me in order to draw such conclusions? Or do you think that ostentatious mega-maneuvers and unprofitable mega-projects are needed by the country?

[SSR]

Quote: Rimlianin

Do you personally know me in order to draw such conclusions? Or do you think that ostentatious mega-maneuvers and unprofitable mega-projects are needed by the country?

And what do you consider unprofitable from Mega-projects and how did you determine their loss-making?

[konstantin68]

Quote: Rimlianin

Or do you think that ostentatious mega-maneuvers and unprofitable mega-projects are needed by the country?

First: why are the ostentatious maneuvers?
Second: yes, they are needed. maneuvers for the army, like training for an athlete.
Third: any investment in infrastructure is beneficial, even if they never pay off (example, are you repairing your apartment, will it pay off?)
And more: mega-projects ... Which ones, for example?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: konstantin68

Third: any investment in infrastructure is beneficial, even if they never pay off (example, are you repairing your apartment, will it pay off?)

It can be seen how they invest in aviation, China builds a hundred airfields per year, and we have less than 250 left from a half thousand.

Quote: konstantin68

mega-projects ... Which ones, for example?

Sports. Than to build the 1 stadium in St. Petersburg, it’s better to put thousands of pools in schools, otherwise Milonov has already stated that the children drink, the prohibition is proposed to be introduced.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Sports. Than 1 stadium to build St. Petersburg, it is better to put thousands of pools in schools

We know, we know ... And how many playgrounds can be set up instead of one ICBM! Thousands.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: konstantin68

And how many playgrounds can be set up instead of one ICBM

I’m talking about Ivan, did you move to Peter? Where did I write about rockets?

[Mestny]

You do not understand. They have EVERYTHING that makes power bad by definition. Accordingly, all projects are also bad.
This is such a radical form of struggle for the feeding trough. One of.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mestny

They have EVERYTHING that makes power bad by definition.

Let's take the facts. Where do we start?

[Doliva63]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Mestny

They have EVERYTHING

making power bad by definition.

Let's do it with facts. Where do we start?

the opponent went to read the training manual

[sabotage]

Quote: konstantin68

And you feel bad in Russia!

I can name Russian products that pleased me pleasantly. The truth is enough fingers of one hand. So yes, everything is bad in Russia.

[konstantin68]

Quote: sabotage

So yes, everything is bad in Russia.

Everything is relative. With whom will we compare?

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: konstantin68

Quote: sabotage

So yes, everything is bad in Russia.

Everything is relative. With whom will we compare?

With someone who also has about 25% of the world's resources in total.

[Mestny]

How is it - on the one hand, "I can say, I really pleased", on the other hand, it is still "EVERYTHING is bad."
Is this political schizophrenia?

[igorbrsv]

And what exactly is not needed? Teachings, Nord Stream or something? On the one hand, the authorities are shouting under the Amers, on the other, Crimea for some reason "taken away", in Syria we are doing something. Did the Rothschilds advise the oligarchs? Or is it your own initiative?

[revnagan]

Quote: sabotage

No need to rock the boat, otherwise it will be like the Ukrainians!

And what is now “not like khokh.lov?” We have hardly 30% of the population for the elections of the same prezik. 52% of the population were “drawn” for the current prezik. Only 40 percent of voters voted for the current prezik (I was a member of the commission , and in a very specific area, and even there Giblets did not get half), but according to the results of the elections it is the President. And how many shouts there were ... How to touch something - "... you have chosen yourself!" And now, when such the situation themselves, the cry begins: "Crooks! We did not choose them! We did not vote for them! They are not legitimate! The Tsar is not real!". It hurts more than someone else's, right? But - "not like the khokh.lov ".

[konstantin68]

Quote: revnagan

In our country, hardly 30% of the population turned up for the elections of the same prezik. 52% of the population were drawn to the Central Electoral Commission.

Infa where, from Navalny?
And who is the prez? Apparently you went to the wrong elections.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: konstantin68

Infa where, from Navalny?
And who is the prez? Apparently you went to the wrong elections.

Read carefully.

Quote: revnagan

I was part of the commission, and on a very specific site, and even there Offal did not score half

Quote: konstantin68

Infa where, from Navalny?

Bulk also shurunya in Ukraine?

[Mestny]

No, why. There are enough of them, we are observing the results.
So where does infa come from? From the Internet?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mestny

So where does infa come from?

Are you inattentive too?

Quote: revnagan

In our country, hardly 30% of the population turned up for the elections of the same prezik. 52% of the population were drawn to the Central Electoral Commission.

This wrote: [quote = revnagan] [/ quote]

[revnagan]

Quote: konstantin68

And who is the prez?

What are you? Alternatively gifted? Prezik-Giblets. And on ... I need your Anal-here my homegrown-complete Zrada.

[sergei28]

voted out of those who came to the elections. If we count those who did not come for "against all", another picture is obtained.

[Mestny]

Does not work.
The trick is that they did not go to the polls.
According to the exhortations of their ideological inspirers. Why was this stupidity poured into my head?

[I am Russian]

Quote: sabotage

No need to rock the boat, otherwise it will be like the Ukrainians! This is all the machinations of the State Department and the public debt! If something is illegal, the CEC will figure it out - there are smarter than you and me.

test banter.

[Opera]

Quote: I'm Russian

test banter.

State Department rated? Are they getting cookies?

[Mestny]

Quote: sabotage

No need to rock the boat, otherwise it will be like the Ukrainians! This is all the machinations of the State Department and the public debt! If something is illegal, the CEC will figure it out - there are smarter than you and me.

No, what are you.
As they will not. We are special - the smartest, at least teenagers in the squares.
Everyone had, for centuries - but we will not.
Olesha said.

[Loginoff]

A consequence of the political passivity of the population.

[Mestny]

That's it, finally.
It remains to find out who is screwing this population about the "non-election".

[Adimius38]

THERE are our elections, do you think that they will allow you to hold fair elections?

[Mestny]

Where do you have it? In the head?
I recommend going to the polls, participating in the process myself, in a pinch, to ask related friends how it works and works.
So do adults.
No teens. They have an authoritative opinion directly from the Internet.

[Conductor]

What elections))) I managed to register without my knowledge)))) I live in Kazakhstan, a residence permit, and it is registered, at the same time, in Rostov))))

[Warrior Spirit]

These oppositionists got it !!! Everything does not suit them.
It is with these, if I may say "Ishchenko", that Maidan begins.
I know firsthand that Tarasenko is supported in Primorye by a strong business executive, patriot, and family man.

[Vladivostok1969]

Or maybe you can take such a "business executive"? And we'll figure it out ourselves.

[Vladivostok1969]

Everyone who wants and can support a candidate for governor in the Primorsky Territory Ishchenko gathers at 18.00 p.m. on Bortsov Square for Power of Soviets in front of the regional administration

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Everyone who wants and can support a candidate for governor in the Primorsky Territory Ishchenko gathers at 18.00 p.m. on Bortsov Square for Power of Soviets in front of the regional administration

Maidanchik smell.

[sunzhenets]

Quote: Piramidon

-5
Maidanchik smell.

You have a stuffy nose. Already not Maidan, but in 1917. And this is good.

[Mestny]

Well, at least read a history book or something ...

[pormezan]

Or maybe you need to re-read it? And re-read world history.

[Bull Terrier]

You have not mixed resources? This is on your page in classmates post.

[pormezan]

Have you mixed up anything? Indicate at home, but here there is someone to follow the rules.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Bull Terrier

You have not mixed resources? This is on your page in classmates post.

I don’t understand at all what is happening on VO. The comrade is an obvious troll, but he is actively supported and no warnings are made. One gets the impression that a liberal get-together has "moved" to the resource.

[K-612-O]

I have been gaining confidence for a long time. Trolling, political articles with "necessary" shades, rudeness, "poking" and insults appear with enviable regularity.

[Mestny]

Judging by the categorical and stupid statements rather teenage.

[020500]

Niht. Red. In general, our population is rapidly growing left. How be - being determines consciousness.
The one who sits in the ass on a penny salary and can not afford anything, or at all without work vegetates eating up with relatives - class self-consciousness develops very quickly.
One must understand that the whole left movement from Marx, starting, is not about abstract freedoms and values, but about money - about a normal life in material terms, about free treatment and education, etc. and the like, what money the norot has stolen by the current masters of life and the country.

[bessmertniy]

The rally has been going on for a long time, and in fact they are going to disperse it.

[Conductor]

A true Aryan?

[Conductor]

Is the character Nordic? Not offshore?

[volodimer]

Don't drive like that! I will not discuss Tarasenko, but the fact that "Tarasenko in Primorye is supported by everyone" is a complete lie. In my environment, with a single exception, everyone was against and voted for Ishchenko. Therefore, this "finishing spurt" raises strong doubts. Maidans begin not because of "Ishchenko", but because of such "victories of Tarasenko", when people get tired of lies. Bolotnaya was a consequence of a similar policy, the Kasparovs, Nemtsovs, the bulk were only foam on the surface, and the main reason was the people's dissatisfaction with the next "unconditional victory" of the party in the elections.

[Opera]

Especially captivating is the phrase "in my environment" !!!!!!!!! I dare to point out to you on all polls in VO, the communists traditionally win! Perhaps this is a reason to question the legitimacy of the current government ?! Moreover, the readers of Soviet Russia will definitely join you! And this is not enough - at a certain stage, your loyal allies will be fans of all sorts of Ehs and Rains, bulk - daring and others like them! So from a spark, a flame will flare up! Do you think this can be considered a revolutionary situation ?! Ai sclerosis - I completely forgot about schoolchildren!

[kakvastam]

Quote: Oper

This is probably an occasion to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the current government ?!

Yes, an occasion, no worse than many.
Although never a proof.

[020500]

Well, Pamfilov will send his inspectors to check the election results. And it turns out that at the last moment 20 thousand soldiers and sailors sent ballots, all as one in a single rush voted for Tarasenko. And that’s all, you won’t dig - these are the ballots, these are the fighters, ask anyone. Like "everything is legal".

[faridg7]

Quote: Warrior Spirit

I know firsthand - Tarasenko in Primorye everyone supports,

I voted against him, but support? An interesting twist.

[nikolas 83]

In Khakassia, we also have a second round in a week. By a small margin, the Communist Party candidate leads. Rumor has it that there may be pens with disappearing ink in voting booths. In social networks they urge people to come with their pens .... I’d better take my pen.

[igorbrsv]

With electronic ballot boxes, scans are also saved

[Стена]

Now Shoigu will still drive troops from neighboring districts under the guise of exercises. This is his darling side.

[I am Russian]

I always go to the polls with my pen. There has been no faith in this Putin crook in election commissions for a long time.

[Opera]

What a fellow you are! Very law-abiding citizen! The main thing is that it’s not with a tent, a bowler hat, canned goods and a blanket ... A friend told me here that a comrade came to see the mayor of Moscow! But also light! We have good people for the most part. Yes, and seen enough of the Maidan ...

[Mestny]

Our activists from the Communist Party went even further.
Came to the polls with their ballots. It’s good that they noticed on time - and so the results of the site would be canceled.
And that, I work in the election commission. and I answer - honestly.
Did you son call me a crook now?

[Opera]

Well, what are you, Sergey, he is not you! Worse! He insults all the employees of election commissions! Well, this is such a trend - everything is in g ... and I'm in a white coat! Notice, after all, about these specific elections in Primorye, after all, there are no concrete talks about violations! They just really want the Communist to win! Here is the howl, scream, noise, hunger strike and forward to the Maidan !!!!! Yes, even if he would have defeated this communist. None of this is the case! Indeed, in any case, even in such a little less Primorye, they voted against! Or are these all EP bots? Or is it all falsified? Why does some part of the gorlopans appropriate the right to speak from the people? We scream people! And then everyone else, who? Look, they say disgusting things about the party for which most of our citizens really vote! Offend her symbolism! Generally offend power! Do you think they have the right to speak from the people? Will they ever be able to come to power by such methods? Is it that we have such a rude people? No, of course! After all, they don’t even understand and sincerely believe that if you are not a Bolshevik and not a member of the Communist Party, then you are definitely for EP! Well, or a liberal is necessary, although to distinguish themselves from the liberals is not possible at all! Go to any liberal site and you will not see the difference! Not only that, commentators can easily be swapped and they will collect their pluses anyway! But, what’s most important, they have absolutely no idea that insulting everyone around them they completely spat upon the communist idea in the country! In the service, my colleagues and I showed all this writing to our veteran convinced communist. I don’t remember the topic exactly what Putin was called about easing the pension reform ... So he came in shock full! This, that says, who is this?!?!?!?!?! Yes, it says, people are specifically trying to discredit the idea! Can a normal person communicate with people like that ?! What kind of communists are these ?! This ... But most of all he was outraged by the fact that many pour dirt on the country under red flags! There may be different beliefs, one can argue, sit down and discuss what can be done for the country and what can be changed so that it really becomes easier for people! There must be an opposition necessarily but constructive. It is possible to file lawsuits against the courts, including group ones. A lot that you can! But such a boorish pack of spitting mud in all directions has no future! Absolutely!

[Tahtvjd2868]

Well, what are you really ?! They already wrote to you that many voters for the Communist Party vote AGAINST EP, that in Primorye supporting Ishchenko, that in Khabarovka supporting Furgal. And now ask yourself a question - Why ???

[kakvastam]

Quote: I am Russian

I always go to the polls with my pen.

What a kindergarten ...
This is what a selective pen is needed so that the pluses for EP remain, and the rest disappear!

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: kakvastam

Quote: I am Russian

I always go to the polls with my pen.

What a kindergarten ...
This is what a selective pen is needed so that the pluses for EP remain, and the rest disappear!

What, stupid pretend to be? Any notes made by a pen with disappearing ink disappear, and then behind the closed doors a drawing club begins to work, already with normal ink, in order to reduce the “debit with credit”. And pens with disappearing ink are freely sold in online stores, to buy for polling stations is not a problem at all. Only they do not slip right away, according to the situation ..

[kakvastam]

Quote: nikolas 83

Rumor has it that voting booths can have pens with disappearing ink. In social networks they urge people to come with their pens ....

Now for sure all the handles from the booths will snag!
There are enough schoolchildren with unbridled imaginations "in the networks". Do you even understand the price and degree of guarantee of catching such an operation?

Quote: nikolas 83

I'd better take my pen.

An adult is like a man ...

[RUS96]

Communist Party candidate for governor of Primorye went on hunger strike

[igorbrsv]

Not a hunger strike should be staged, but butting. Once it breaks into power, it means there are "horns". And then he promises to die of hunger, so he punished

[Mestny]

First you need to drive your electorate to the polls, so that later, well, in the worst case, at least have reason to yell about brawls.
This is the first.
And so - what are you going to butt with?

[Altona]

For some reason I’m not surprised. If a referendum on pension reform is held with the participation of our CEC, then it will certainly proclaim consent to an increase in the retirement age. The authorities are completely cut off.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Altona

pension reform referendum

Maybe this topic is enough to download?

[pormezan]

We will tell you when enough is enough. In the meantime, we will swing and rock!

[konstantin68]

Quote: pormezan

to nibble!

I understand ... "I'm not familiar with the subject, but I will swing the topic!" Is it work or character?
And yes, I am not familiar with you, please do not "poke".

[pormezan]

You can ask, but .....

[Mestny]

We will tell you when enough is enough. In the meantime, we will swing and rock!

Taking the opportunity that the Internet on a real head does not fly?

[pormezan]

And you do not use the same case? Or do you think that in real life I would completely listen to you?

[sunzhenets]

Quote: konstantin68

Quote: Altona

pension reform referendum

Maybe this topic is enough to download?

Do you propose to close the topic as insignificant?

[Стена]

And what will we download? Ukraine, Syria, Skripal

[Mestny]

Try to get started. Build something, produce.
Kachuns.

[pormezan]

We then work and create jobs. and you’re not even a theoretician.

[Opera]

Constantine revolutionaries are completely legal on the Internet, i.e. for everyone who wants to write - the power is completely cut off !!!!! Can you imagine ?! To your remark that they write about pension reform for any reason at all, they answer you quite legally as well - we’ll download this topic and even shake it up and it’s not your business to close your mouth !!! I’ve thought, and who exactly is it completely circumstantial ?! And so that it would be if the power really cut through?!?!

[Mestny]

Fortunately, the Internet has only an indirect relation to real life.
That’s why the minors are agitated, the brain breaks the gap between what is written on the Internet and how people act in reality.

[pormezan]

Learn the story. When the authorities finally greet the people, they go out into the street and plug the greyhound meter into it.

[Opera]

And when such a small part of the people was overwhelmed, and to such an extent that children under age at meetings already began to hide behind themselves, what happens ?! Should society demand that the authorities give the head a borzometer that has finally become rusty ?!

[konstantin68]

Cool minus us.

[K-612-O]

Sorry, but do you think you need to continue to pull while we have 1 working for two pensioners? How, after all, they do not want to understand with us that the Soviet regime has long ended!

[konstantin68]

The problem of pension is global. The government has not done anything out of the ordinary (on pension reform). Examine the issue globally.
PS By the way, I will suffer from pension reform. By the time I get out, she’ll just take effect. But you need to call a spade a spade.

[K-612-O]

That's exactly what the global! Nowhere even in the former USSR is there such an age, because there are few workers to pay and to support the growth of pensions + as a rule, unlike us, working pensioners are not paid anywhere. And I, too, got into this reform and I understand that everything can still change. It is not necessary to think about retirement, but to earn and raise children.

[konstantin68]

Quote: K-612-O

It is not necessary to think about retirement, but to earn and raise children.

I agree, but social guarantees are simply obliged to be.

[reservist]

Quote: K-612-O

for there are few workers ...

let's not confuse the workers, and paying taxes ... with us this is not the same thing ...

[sunzhenets]

Quote: konstantin68

-1
The problem of pension is global. The government has not done anything out of the ordinary (on pension reform). Examine the issue globally.

When the USSR existed, which gave workers pensions, leave, and other social support, the capitalists were forced to give pensions and leave to their workers.
Now, with the destruction of the USSR, these handouts can be taken away.

[sergei28]

where are the unions ??? and who has the property of the trade unions in the "pocket" ???

[Mestny]

Organize a union yourself.
Show us how to do it.

[pormezan]

And what are just unions? Can I immediately organize a new country? In place of the old? Like in the 1917th.

[Vladimir Teplov]

But in America there is no such problem. It doesn’t matter how many workers are employed by a pensioner, but it is important how much you contributed to your future retirement. You can always come and collect this money and start saving for retirement first, but if you do not live up to retirement, then this money will not be lost, they will be returned to your children

[K-612-O]

So there, the state is not obliged to pay citizens anything, and federal pensions are only for civil servants.

[reservist]

so for this you must first solve the problem of indexing pension savings

[ROBIN-SON]

I agree with you. Just for some reason, the size of the pension is not universal.

[pormezan]

So you don’t suffer much, I agree. Work to work - discord.

[Revival]

Good afternoon, that's it, study the question.
If you want to refer to the world experience, and especially to the European one (we position ourselves as a developed country), then look at the parameters of the level of salary level, real at that moment of middle age, the period of survival, and the actual size of pensions.
So, as soon as we reach these indicators, we will rise the moral right to refer to world experience.
In addition, the President in his speech argued that they supposedly considered raising the tax on the rich and saying that it’s not enough for anything ... So there was a guile: why did he cite the 20% tax on the rich, the tax the world average is 50% or more.
And what does it mean that only this measure will not help, but comprehensively apply, among other measures, why not?

[020500]

Quote: Revival

supposedly they considered the issue of raising the tax on the rich and saying that it’s not enough for anything ... So there was guile: why did he cite the 20% tax on the rich that was introduced, this tax is on average 50% worldwide and more.

No, they will not pay it at 50% or 1% - for this is an income tax. And our bourgeoisie, they have nothing. Fair. They are starving.

No, this is not necessary. And here's how: 10% annual tax on general condition (wealth). According to Forbes magazine.
We just take the rating from this magazine and from each 10%.
I somehow calculated that it would turn out 20 tr. per pensioner per month.

[pormezan]

Do not run this disc in the twentieth circle. Everything that Putin and his propagandists said to justify the pension reform has been refuted a hundred times, every figure is a forgery, every argument is a lie!

[K-612-O]

Well, read economists literate (not from the HSE) and not Russian. Learn the materiel, the mechanisms of how and where what works. But Putin didn’t just tell everything; there are much more problems with the pension system. And with the numbers: bring yours where and how much money you will take for at least 20-30 years to guarantee to pay and pay at least close to the cost of living. And who refuted that, especially with numbers and arguments, I am silent about the proposals of my system (I can’t see such)?

[konstantin68]

Quote: K-612-O

. And with the numbers: bring your where and how much money you will take for at least 20-30 years,

Comrade from the electorate of Navalny, they are not friends with the digital. He said and said.

[K-612-O]

This is always annoying, not knowing at least the base and not having close knowledge, zealously (as a rule with a saber drawn) scream that they are pancakes and they know everything, and all around are thieves and goofs.

[Mestny]

That's right for teenagers.
Specifically - black and white.

[pormezan]

I’m just a representative of small business. I am a co-owner, director and chief accountant of a plant with a staff of 50 people. We started production with garages twenty two years ago. In the 2000s, they bought land and installed factory buildings. So come on, give me a lecture about business, taxes, finances and which Putin is smart. Porzhu.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: K-612-O

And with the numbers: bring your where and how much money you will take for at least 20-30 years,

Come on?

[K-612-O]

When starting a business with less than 100 people (small enterprises), tax holidays are 3 years. Only pension contributions must be paid, this is so for accuracy. And who prevents himself from making a contribution and making a pension out of it, at least in a private pension fund at least in a bank. This can be done for a long time. What is this picture for?

[pormezan]

Youngsters, like you, can buy it, and those who are now under 50 have seen what they look like from their own experience and the experience of their parents. And yes, continue to retell the tales of wise Pu, they have nothing to do with reality.

[K-612-O]

Those who are now even under forty do not "poke" strangers in public places. Apparently, neither in the 90s nor in the 2000s did you serve or work, and perhaps even now you are not doing this shameful business. Judging by your linguistics, you have a deficit in either age or education with upbringing. You would have been treated for a long time with such a language of communication just 22 years ago in business, if you had been treated.

[pormezan]

The chuya has let you down. My "YOU" must be earned. I was born in 1972. Red diploma from SSAU, red diploma from an economic university, lieutenant in the reserve of the Russian Air Force. Well, YOU, what have you succeeded in, what experience have you gained, and why should we all here consider your opinion authoritative? No, really, without banter, what is your life path and, accordingly, experience? What can you teach us?

[reservist]

Quote: K-612-O

Well, read economists literate (not from the HSE) and not Russian.

But can you link to competent economists?

Quote: K-612-O

where and how much money do you get

before raising age you need:
- abolish regression taxation
- equalize the retirement age of men and women, but for each adult child, women should be thrown off for a couple of years
- for some categories of early retirement, pay a pension only in the absence of work

imho, you need to look at the problem not only from the point of view of the deficit of the FIU, but from the point of view of the balance between the working population and the availability of jobs ... what is the use of unemployment / disability benefits?

[K-612-O]

The question is not just a deficit, the deficit arose due to the switching of social services. payments to the FIU. But equalization of ages will also cause a wave of criticism, as well as payments only in the absence of employment. But our tax system is limping. As an option, by the way, the introduction of a fixed deduction from a certain level of income, namely in the pension system.
It is a pity that the surplus income tax can be removed only from state-owned companies and 2-3 "businessmen". The rest then all taxes are paid to offshore companies.
You have at least sound thoughts and suggestions, not rudeness and populism.

[reservist]

Quote: K-612-O

The question is not just a deficit, the deficit arose due to the switching of social services. payments to the FIU.

those. to eliminate the deficit is enough to eliminate the FIU?

But equalizing ages will also cause a wave of criticism,

really? for those who have raised at least a couple of children, practically nothing will change ...
why should a woman who has not raised a single taxpayer for the state should have the same preferences from the state as the mother of several children?

as well as payments only in the absence of employment.

not everyone at 35-45 lose their ability to work, some who had a "not dusty" service in big cities, without injuries, etc., quite successfully work in "civilian" in a "related" profession ... will finish working until retirement , will receive a "civil" pension from "their" ministry ...

But our tax system is limping. As an option, by the way, the introduction of a fixed deduction from a certain level of income, namely in the pension system.
It is a pity that the surplus income tax can be removed only from state-owned companies and 2-3 "businessmen".

if they take away the income, then they will run offshore ...

The rest is all taxes paid offshore.

taxes are paid offshore, and business is conducted here ... why should we pay for this "tax holiday" ...

You have at least sound thoughts and suggestions,

all thoughts are "overheard" from the local members of the forum

not rudeness and populism.

and what can cause this increase in the retirement age, besides the mat and the desire to spit on the authors of this idea, against the backdrop of deputy pension allowances, problems with decent employment after fifty dollars, the ratio of the future retirement age to the life expectancy of the male population, etc. ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

Sorry, do you think you need to continue to pull while we have two working pensioners 1 working?

In our Ministry of Internal Affairs, one and a half times the number of foreheads was greater than in the USSR. To cut them in half, here you have the workers, and save on their pensions.

Quote: K-612-O

Soviet power is long over!

So compare the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the same capstrany per person.

[K-612-O]

So, they, like the military, are paid pensions not from pension funds, but from the budgets of departments. And this is again a penny. Look at the numbers of how many millions of pensioners and how much they pay in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (where does the salary do not match the army or the Ministry of Emergencies, it will be lower)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

So they, like the military, do not pay pensions to them, but from the budgets of departments

And what prevents reallocating the budget?

Quote: K-612-O

And this is again a penny.

Oh well. We have loaders and sellers in stores receive less of these cents.

Quote: K-612-O

Look at the numbers of how many millions of pensioners and how much they pay in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (where does the salary do not match the army or the Ministry of Emergencies, it will be lower)

As for the salary and pensions, he has already answered, but to my question why the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the 1 civilian is three times more than in the USSR, no one wants to answer.

[K-612-O]

loaders and sellers in stores get less than these kopecks, mostly officially (salary is gray, because the shops excuse private ones and they don’t pay extra) and where to employ them, despite the fact that they also pay taxes while serving. And 900000 for 1/8 of the land is not so much. And about the cap of the country, let's first introduce the same fines and we will pay them for everything (smoking in trains, at stations, etc.)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

loaders and sellers in stores receive less than these kopecks, mostly officially (salary is gray, because the shops excuse private ones and they just pay to the pension office)

Go, settle down, you will know everything yourself.

Quote: K-612-O

and where to employ them,

That's right, that there are not enough jobs, and you are talking about "few workers".

Quote: K-612-O

despite the fact that they also pay taxes while being on duty.

You know, this is called "from empty to empty". They get it from the budget, and give it back there.

Quote: K-612-O

And about the cap of the country, let's first introduce the same fines and we will pay them for everything (smoking in trains, at stations, etc.)

Or first, let's put things in order in the economy, what would there be something to pay?

Quote: K-612-O

And 900000 on 1 / 8 part of the land is not so much.

Here is the answer! There was enough in the Union in abundance, but here it turns out even a little. Or maybe the system is not something?

[Revival]

Look:
1) what is paid, in particular, by the military is only called a tax, since a tax is a deduction from the size of the produced product (approximate name), and the army does not directly create wealth. That is, there is no base for tax.
2) the military is more likely to have a deduction from the salary for service, that is, they simply take BACK part of the previously allocated from the budget. They do not fill it with their "taxes", but more correctly they take less of it in the form of withholdings called "tax".
Example
The worker raised two apples and one apple was taken from him to the budget. This is an apple tax. There was nothing in the budget, but now there is.
The military did not put anything into the budget, he was given part of this apple, and then part of this part was again taken to the budget. But the budget did not grow from the original, a new apple did not appear

[Opera]

Mordvin, you, as always, are inimitable (how many employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per person )! So here is the official statistics (do not calm down, it’s analyzed by the United Nations) comes from the number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per 100 population! Here, Russia is more than decent. A total of 000 employees 746 per 000! This is comparable to countries such as Argentina, Greece, Hong Kong, Spain, Italy. By the way, a state like Cyprus has 508 employees per 100. Have you been to Cyprus? Do you like Cyprus? Belarus is a player in this respect on a global scale of 000 employees per 678. And finally, the United States will just tell you the number - in fact, 100 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Oper

Mordvin, you, as always, are inimitable (how many employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per person)

Thank you, and why did you forget the Vatican, there are generally 15 and a half thousand of them. one hundred?

Quote: Oper

And finally, the United States will just tell you the number - actually 800 000 officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs!

Do not disgrace, it will be 256 people on 100 000. Against our 508 And ​​you took here and showed the general. Do you think I don’t know how many people are there?

[Opera]

Yes, it’s general. Do you like quantity? Of course, I suspected that you were using liberal State Department propaganda, as well as the comrade with the comments below, but so much ... You are in vain trying to compete with me. Sometimes I don’t even want to offend you at all, but you persistently want to slam into a puddle and on a grand scale! So be it now I will help you again. To start the Ministry of Internal Affairs, we have a centralized service! You will not argue? But in the USA it is a long chain with many links! Well, for example, at the federal level, the FBI, in addition to the function of special services, performs absolutely police functions, that is, it deals with banditry, murders ... It conducts some cases of drug trafficking ... Do you want to count the FBI employees dealing with these and many other issues? Further, what do you think the services of the Marshals perform police functions? So here too! Count the marshals, precious! Next comes our police control over the use of natural resources - these generally would say would have expanded law enforcement rights! What about a drug control agency? Agency for the control of alcohol, tobacco and firearms? And what about action heroes like the Texas Rangers or the California Bureau of Investigation? And the largest law enforcement agencies (exactly) of the Departments of Finance and Energy? Well, I’ll write a cherry on the cake. Can I write this in capital letters? I'd like you to squirrel in a puddle! US MINISTRY OF INTERNAL SECURITY! Read about this department and functionality yourself okay? There are also other departments performing law enforcement tasks. We can talk about the institute of sheriffs. For example, the county sheriff is the head of the county police department! But the sheriffs of other categories are not policemen, as it were ... They carry out law enforcement functions ?! Alright, Mordvin, get out of the puddle catch a cold!

[reservist]

Quote: Oper

Of course, I suspected that you were using liberal State Department propaganda, as well as a friend with comments below, but so much ...

so bring your "agitation" ... who does not give that ...

remembered about marshals, rangers, sheriffs, but without specifying their numbers ... it is not clear how many "bayonets" are serving in these departments ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Oper

you persistently want to slam into a puddle and on a grand scale!

So you just got into a puddle and published those data from the UN.
Rosguard, FSB, Ministry of Emergency Situations, Federal Penitentiary Service, customs ... Add another huge army of guards, which in any large store wipes the boots, are they catching thieves ?.

Quote: Oper

Alright, Mordvin, get out of the puddle catch a cold!

Do not get it yourself.

[reservist]

Quote: Oper

So here is the official statistics (do not calm down, it’s analyzed by the United Nations) comes from the number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs per 100 population! Here, Russia is more than decent.

probably not looking there ...

in the picture Belarus forgot to draw ...

[Sergej1972]

I agree with everything except the USA. Firstly, their population is two and a half times larger than ours. Secondly, specify, did you mean the number of employees of various US law enforcement agencies, or specifically the Ministry of Internal Affairs? The fact is that the US Ministry of Internal Affairs does not belong to the law enforcement system. This department is now engaged in environmental activities, federal land ownership, runs national parks and reserves. The police of the national parks belong to the US Interior Ministry. Plus it solves all sorts of problems of Indians, Eskimos, and Native Hawaiians.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: K-612-O

Sorry, but do you think you need to continue to pull while we have 1 working for two pensioners? How, after all, they do not want to understand with us that the Soviet regime has long ended!

I am certainly not an economist, but for some reason it seems to me (maybe I am inadequate) that there would be more workers for one pensioner, it is necessary to create jobs (preferably production, not by the hands of drivers), instead of "reducing the number of pensioners"

[K-612-O]

So create. The free market, for which they fought in the 91st and 93rd, it is. Pay salaries (preferably white), taxes and retirement contributions for workers. Or we declare nationalization and the doctrine of Juche, and then from all over the demand from the state. Only neither one nor the other works for us and cannot work. And the state needs to pay people, it pays as it can. The legacy of labeled and EBN we will slurp for a long time.

[020500]

Quote: K-612-O

Or we declare nationalization and the doctrine of Juche, and then from all over the demand from the state. Only neither one nor the other works for us and cannot work.

Not nationalization and Juche, but a balanced set of state and public (collective) property plus freedom of individual activity. Namely, along with state enterprises - collective enterprises (artels, etc.) - and individualists' private owners (freelancers).

A feature of the collective enterprise is that it belongs to all the members of the artel and they participate in its management. In our history, collective enterprises acted very efficiently and even had large-scale production in many industries.

And if anyone wants independence - please - blow into freelancers.

[020500]

And what does the working and pensioners have to do with it? This is where the connection is?

Logically, employers should pay pensions, but not employers. That is the employer, the state, pays the military, the cops and other civil servants, because they served / worked for a certain time.

Also, for other workers, pensions must be paid by their employers, in which they worked with their own labor, bringing them profit.

The trouble is that our commercial "employers" are simply swindlers, thieves and fraudsters, and they don't want to pay anything to anyone after making a profit. They change legal entities on a regular basis, money is exported abroad, or even just wasted, spent on drink, and so on. That is, you will not get a fig from them.

So they are trying to shift pensions to the workers themselves. And it would be more correct and simpler to remove this parasitic layer - the bourgeois class - from the economy

[Claymore]

Quote: 020500

Logical pensions should be paid not by employees, but by employers

And where do employers get their funds for paying pensions - do they draw them?
Or all the same, these funds appear as a result of the sale of goods and services produced by collectives of employees, which means that pensions are paid in any case by workers?

[020500]

By itself. This is, of course, our money. It's just that most of the funds produced by workers are taken by the "employers". And most of them do not want to participate in the payment of pensions.

[Tahtvjd2868]

Dear, here is my retired father asking one simple question: I have worked all my life and earned MYSELF pension, and now I live on this money I have earned. And here you are at all !? You also work and earn your retirement. And so ALL current retirees. They have earned pensions for themselves - please give!

[reservist]

Quote: Tahtvjd2868

... you work and earn your retirement

it’s not quite so ... or not at all ...
there is a difference between the joint and funded pension systems ...

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: Altona

For some reason I’m not surprised. If a referendum on pension reform is held with the participation of our CEC, then it will certainly proclaim consent to an increase in the retirement age. The authorities are completely cut off.

Why did she get off the hook? You can "turn off" when there is a probability (at least hypothetical) that you will be called to account. And "our" power poka "in \ Ukraine maydauny and sanctions with NATO are hovering over us, and vaaschpe we have all the way pereprava", practically invulnerable. Armor +100500.

[Mestny]

So ask your mastermind to lift the sanctions and shoot Poroshenko.
Then, according to your logic, the power will collapse immediately, I understand?

[Hole puncher]

The authorities are even afraid of their lured opposition! Even Putin’s visit didn’t help ...

[K-612-O]

This is ridiculous! Whom is she afraid of, the opposition which is half mad, half two words cannot connect, or which milks the shkolota and jumps with her? There is such a concept: "local excesses", zealous local officials at the level of administrations and municipalities, from which there is always the most harm, and to everyone, both the authorities and the people!

[Note 2]

Puncher Putin’s visit to Primorye with his false concern about low earnings looked frankly wretched.

[Sotskiy]

Primorye more Primorye less ... Look who won the whole country And this despite the rise in fuel prices, VAT hikes, pension "reform", regular denominations, new taxes, etc.
The conclusion is alarming: either our whole country is in United Russia or the voter is a secret admirer of BDSM.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sovetskiy

regular denominations

I have not heard about this for a long time. Can be more.

[bessmertniy]

There is another option that in other regions, election commissions are working more seriously on ballots and protocols.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Piramidon

regular denominations

Of the last - 2014 year, or you have a salary in hard currency that you have not heard for a long time.
From the "great" Wiki :
"Denomination (from the Latin denominátio -" renaming ") - a change in the face value of banknotes, usually after hyperinflation in order to stabilize the currency and simplify settlements."
The market rate of the ruble, which is going "with the flow" towards the steady depreciation of the national currency, is it not the same, just a side view? The cost of goods and services in the domestic market, isn't it getting more expensive for the domestic consumer, who does not play on the stock exchange, but receives a fixed salary in rubles? Or the concept of "denomination" is applicable to you only to a sharp collapse of the national currency?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: Piramidon

regular denominations

Of the last - 2014 year, or you have a salary in hard currency that you have not heard for a long time.
From the "great" Wiki :
"Denomination (from the Latin denominátio -" renaming ") - a change in the face value of banknotes, usually after hyperinflation in order to stabilize the currency and simplify settlements."
The market rate of the ruble, which is going "with the flow" towards the steady depreciation of the national currency, is it not the same, just a side view? The cost of goods and services in the domestic market, isn't it getting more expensive for the domestic consumer, who does not play on the stock exchange, but receives a fixed salary in rubles? Or the concept of "denomination" is applicable to you only to a sharp collapse of the national currency?

Denomination, in a simple way, is when extra zeros are removed from bills. (You yourself write: "Denomination is a change face value banknotes ") And this was the last time in 1998. What kind of" regularity "? And what you write about the rise in prices for goods and services is called inflation.

[kakvastam]

Still, we are talking about devaluation, we have not had a denomination for a long time.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: kakvastam

Still, we are talking about devaluation, we have not had a denomination for a long time.

Exactly. Sorry, confused terms.

[Sergej1972]

Although it’s time to remove a couple of zeros.

[reservist]

the denomination, pleasure is not free, it probably makes sense to hold this event when inflation is not expected ...

[Moskovit]

Accounting in United Russia works great! But only in the year 17 she did not work. They want to see clearly reach such a situation

[K-612-O]

Great! Only now the commies would be so fundamental in the 96th would be! You look and secured auctions would be canceled, etc. And now to be indignant is to let winds in a puddle

[kepmor]

from a caste will be especially patient ????? ... like splashing around in a slop pool ... your right ...
vote further for eaters ...

[kakvastam]

Judging by the "commies", you are a convinced "liberal". Or is it a "crap"?
Keep in mind that the propensity to label is not only a sign of a low level of culture - it also has an inverse correlation with the development of intelligence!

[K-612-O]

Kosygin, Andropov, and even Brezhnev are Communists, and Gennady Andreich, excuse me, a couple with a friend Boris. So without labels, I call a spade a spade. And I do not consider myself neither liberals nor democrats, I consider myself a statesman. The state must exist and work regardless of its political coloring. And democracy and freedom is a long-rotten fish, which everyone vigorously sucks in.

[tatra]

Yes, you are no statesman. The statesmen, even from the bad, choose the best for their country and people, and you are simply an irrational critic "I am so against everyone."
And for the statesmen - even this "pale shadow" of the real, by convictions, Soviet communists - Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is BETTER for Russia and the Russian people, except for criminals and parasites, than this government, and the only real opposition in Russia. The opposition is not those who yell "dolooooy power", proceed with manic criticism of the authorities, but those who are able to offer the country and people a better alternative.

[Claymore]

Quote: K-612-O

And I do not consider myself neither liberals nor democrats, I consider myself a statesman

What is the statist of a state - slaveholding, feudal, or capitalist?

The state must exist and work regardless of political coloring

The state is политическая (politics - activities to ensure interests) organization of the company - i.e. hierarchical structure of public relations management, acting in the interests of specific social groups (if a society consists of groups with antagonistic interests, the state ensures the interests of some groups at the expense of others).

The state appears and works not as a result of voluntaristic decisions, but as a result of the natural process of population growth in a particular territory, which creates the need for a narrow specialization of activity.

Therefore, once having appeared, the state, as a form of organization, can disappear only as a consequence of the global decline in the population of the planet (it only seems that the kids who call themselves "statesmen" do not understand a little of this).

And democracy and freedom is a long rotten fish

Yes - for the beneficiaries of current politics (Putin, Rotenberg and others like them) and they sang along.

[3vs]

Apparently, it's time for the citizens of Russia to understand that nothing in the country depends on them.
Others rule and elections are profanity.
How to get out of this, the big question!

[igorbrsv]

Our Communist Party won. What is the problem?

[kakvastam]

Quote: 3vs

Apparently, it's time for the citizens of Russia to understand that nothing in the country depends on them.

Another call not to go to the polls?
Yes, as much as possible, already reached!

[Archon]

they didn’t mention that at three PECs Tarasenko scored 100% of the vote.
such a life

[Million]

Who congratulated Putin after the election, isn't it a shame yet?

[Bull Terrier]

And why should we be ashamed?

[pormezan]

Indeed, ashamed is decent people.

[Olddetractor]

He won ALL elections in which he participated

I remember there was also a mayor who won all the elections. But how could he lose them when the former driver drove the election commission?

[igorbrsv]

And what is the problem? There are paper media that can be counted and verified. Interested parties, as I understand it, are available.

[Altona]

Quote: konstantin68

Maybe this topic is enough to download?

------------------------------------
Why is that enough? For me, this topic became a deadline, after which everything became clear. This was the red line that the government crossed in the struggle against its own people and still wants the people to recognize it as legitimate. The turnout in the current election was low, in Moscow, in this case. Something about 2,5 million people voted in Moscow, where Sobyanin won with 70%, that is, 1,5-1,7 million out of 12,5 million cities.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Altona

Something about 2,5 million people voted in Moscow, where Sobyanin won with 70%, that is, 1,5-1,7 million out of 12,5 million cities.

And again, where does the data come from? This time.
Sobyanin did not deserve to win? Falsification? Did little for the city and the townspeople? Was the best candidate? These are two.
Regarding the pension reform, why did this topic become a red line for you? Not the withdrawal of capital, not corruption, not offshores and real estate abroad from the "servants of the people", namely the pension reform? These are three.

[sergo1914]

So here you are, nonlinear algebra ...

[Mestny]

Not so - so here you are, an adult reality.
In Internet technology, adolescents are not at all like that - there is justice, everything is free, the state must.
And now, a little is left, the hated government will fly off - and here everything will sparkle with new colors - free internet, pension from 18 years.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Mestny

In Internet technology, adolescents are completely different

Thanks, we will know now. And what else is of interest in your teenage internet players?

[Rimlianin]

The ruling "elite" simply do not realize the seriousness of the moment. If the people cannot form their power in the elections, sooner or later they will form it on the street. Therefore, everyone - both the authorities and the opposition - must follow the rules of the game. What is it if in five or six regions the governors are leftists? In the 90s, half of the country was a red belt and nothing.

[Mestny]

That the people could form the power at elections – it is necessary to go to these elections, at least. At least try.
And not to jump across the squares shouting "it's all lies, we were deceived."

[020500]

But what kind of power does the people form in the elections? Decorative parsley, which differ only in the color of the caps, is put up for election.
Is Ishchenko the same as something different from Tarasenko? A Communist Party from EdRa? One bullshit. Unless different bourgeois clans represent.

Therefore, in order not to run and shout "all lies, we were deceived", you just need not go to the polls.
Because when you come to the polls, a person gives the right to all these parsley subsequently to speak - you yourself chose.

[pormezan]

As long as the elections are anonymous, no control is possible in principle.

[pormezan]

Quote: Warrior Spirit

These oppositionists got it !!! Everything does not suit them.
It is with these, if I may say "Ishchenko", that Maidan begins.
I know firsthand that Tarasenko is supported in Primorye by a strong business executive, patriot, and family man.

And why is the lawlessness of power better than the lawlessness of the Maidan? For a simple person - nothing, but in the case of Maidan there is an opportunity to restore justice.

[konstantin68]

Quote: pormezan

and in the case of Maidan there is an opportunity to restore justice.

Are you serious now?

[Mestny]

The sonny does not understand that it is not at all necessary that this new "justice" will go to him.
Most likely the opposite - die wherever in a street showdown or civil war.
But it will be later. In the meantime, everything is fine - into the new kingdom of freedom.

[pormezan]

Granddaughter, study world history, or at least the history of Russia.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Mestny

Son does not understand

The tendency to insult the interlocutor gives a low level of development corresponding to a young age.

[pormezan]

Yes. After the revolution of 1917, the Russian population received an 8-hour working day, holidays, sick leave, medicine, education and so on. Have you been drinking and smoking cigarettes instead of lessons at school?

[perm23]

and what happened by chance do not remember. Food coupons. jokes about power. general praise of imported clothes .. theft. farce. and the collapse of the country.

[pormezan]

Well, yes, and in the event of an accident is the car always to blame? Or more often the one who drove the car? Thought, I hope I understand?

[reservist]

so regardless of the social system, any society in which at least one of the social elevators is blocked (either up or down) usually exists until the first serious shock ...

[tasha]

And why is the lawlessness of power better than the lawlessness of the Maidan? For a simple person - nothing, but in the case of Maidan there is an opportunity to restore justice.

Are you sure that you will be able to keep this "opportunity to restore justice" under control? Look around .. Yes, of your own workers, five will hang you, and the rest will watch .. At least how you flirt with them ...
And therefore, any attempts to forcibly destroy the state must be crushed by tanks ...

Tell me, are you joining any party now?

[020500]

Quote: tasha

And therefore, any attempts to forcibly destroy the state must be crushed by tanks ...

This is of course correct. But what if the state falls apart non-violently? And due to the idiotic activities of the current authorities?

In October 1917, this was not an attempt to violently destroy the state. On the contrary, it is an attempt to retain and restore the state, which is falling to pieces thanks to the mediocre and thieves' power of the tsarist, and then the Provisional governments. And thank God it was a success.

[K-612-O]

In China, it was shown that the mistakes of the current authorities are rolled away by tanks. And nothing good to live. And Comrade Xi made himself a lifetime and, without twitching, rushing forward China.

[reservist]

in China, they just showed that tanks can deal with the consequences, and to eliminate the causes in society, changes are needed ...
in Russia in 1905, even without tanks, they also showed ... but they scored to eliminate the causes ... so the next time it didn’t work ...

[perm23]

Here you remember the history of Russia and what you see. The king is bad. all the kings are bad .. Lenin. Stalin. Khrushchev. Brezhnev - again, all are bad. again we scold everyone. Yeltsin. Gorbachev. Putin - again we do not like. So maybe it's not in them but in ourselves. In us who have chosen McDonald's and jeans. instead of boiled potatoes and a padded jacket ..

[pormezan]

No, I don't belong to the party, and even in the 80s at school I was anathematized for refusing to join the Komsomol, and therefore I graduated from school without a medal. It is really impossible to be sure of anything. About my workers. The people are stupid, but I am not lazy to lecture them about the real structure of the world and that the reason for their poverty is the immense appetites of Putin and his hop company. I explain to people on their fingers the "miracles" of economics on Putin and the magic of taxation.

[tasha]

About my workers. The people are dumb

I am delighted ... I myself am convinced that humanity needs to be driven with happiness with a stick ... For the same reason

No, I don’t enter the party

I don’t even know what to answer. At first I wanted to write something nasty that criticizing on the Internet is easier and safer than doing something ... Then I changed my mind. Indeed, in fact, we are doing the same thing. We work for ourselves, fuss about something, try to produce something. We also suffer from bureaucratic bureaucracy. Unless you are for radical changes, but I am categorically against any kind of upheaval. Wash ourselves with blood, you know ..
I already wrote, but I will repeat. Now my attitude to what is happening in the world coincides with the opinion of one very smart person: "We are all drowning, but our task is to sink slowest of all ...".

[perm23]

I agree with you. there is still such a saying. If at my place. there is water and heat and light. my child goes to school. and my city is not bombed or fired on the street. It is better not to touch such a power. so that it’s not the other way around.

[tasha]

Then it’s better not to touch such a power. so that it is not the other way around

I agree. But I don’t want to sit in the sink as a snail. I just think that there are still options for non-violent change in the world .. The path is not easy and implicit, but where to go?

[pormezan]

So the government itself is pushing for radicalism. First he shows the people that he will stick a little bit, the people seem to be in a position (sanctions, there is a war without five minutes ..) and agrees. But, having received consent, he vanishes in full and at the same time mock in the form of palaces and yachts of Putin's yard / kennel. Naturally, the people boil and want revenge.

[tasha]

people boil

Again the people .. What kind of people? The people are you, me, they ... We are all different and ... the same. In the same way, power consists of the same people ... Specific characters. I have chosen this path and am struggling not with abstraction, but with individual officials, for example. Once I got to the Deputy Minister of Emergencies ..

[pormezan]

And I managed to remove the district judge from the case for forgery (and according to the deadline she had to sit down!) And I had to force the prosecutor to withdraw his signature on the document (and he would have to sit down by law!).

[tasha]

and he would have to sit by law!

Each dispute has two sides. Maybe sit down, maybe not ..
You did not begin to guard the judge and the prosecutor at the entrance with a pipe in your hands. So all is not lost yet

[perm23]

Here you can give a 100% guarantee. that if you put in the place of those whom you named here mongrels. / kennels. You will behave the same way and will not refuse their salaries and privileges. only here you can work well here is the question. big. Fan Syndrome. You know.

[pormezan]

That's when this happens, then pour me mud.

[perm23]

Sorry but reading this comment. . I don’t even know what to write to you. NAROD is blunt. This is how you relate to your people. to people. And where did you get the idea that you are right. To you who said that. Someone recognized you as a great thinker. and universal rightness.
Socrates
“I know that I don’t know anything.” Socrates explained his idea this way: people usually think that they know something, but it turns out that they don’t know anything. Think about it.

[tasha]

PEOPLE- dumb

I don’t know how pormezan, I support this statement with irony .. Just know that - I communicate a lot with different people. And so often people come across whose sanity is a big question ...

[pormezan]

What insult? If a chemistry professor calls me dumb (chemistry has never been given to me), then I will not be offended and agree. Do you really think that all people are equally smart from birth? No, we all from birth have a different set of abilities. You can be offended by this, you can work on it, you can simply know this fact and work in the area to which you have a predisposition and not try to play music with a complete lack of hearing, and then be offended that you are called a bad musician. AND WHERE DO YOU SEE ME'S STATEMENT ON THE UNIVERSAL LAW AND OTHER GREATNESSES? And inappropriate quoting does not make you wise.

[perm23]

I believe that calling people dumb is indecent at least. but the fact that you are teaching someone. economics and taxation. what's this. Who told you that you are the guruv of this knowledge. Who told you that people need it. You pay them a bigger salary and do not teach them how to live.

[pormezan]

That's when a dumb turner comes to me about salary, I just do his economic education and explain to him simple things about taxes, profits, cost and prices, which are dictated by the market and competitors, and not its whim. And he is leaving already smart. And some then go to the rally and I see them there. By the way, from the point of view of the turner, I’m just like a turner dumb and already he has to explain to me that I bought a little the wrong machine. And I'm not offended.

[kakvastam]

Quote: pormezan

And why is the lawlessness of power better than the lawlessness of Maidan?

Only by the fact that "Maidan lawlessness" automatically leads to "lawlessness of power."
Any lawlessness is a disaster!

[pormezan]

25 again! And what brought the Maidan of 1917? Compare the lives of workers before and after the revolution.

[BAI]

Who would doubt that. The election commission has clearly demonstrated how Edro is winning. Only it will end with the fact that sooner or later the people will go not to the elections, but to the streets.
On the other hand, if Ishchenko goes to the second round, he won’t get the best advertising.

[Mestny]

No one doubts that you have no doubt.
Everything that power does is bad, a lie. Everything that is done to overthrow it is good and right.
Hi, Olesha.

[pormezan]

But isn’t the power itself doing the most to overthrow it?

[020500]

The authorities do not do something to overthrow themselves. Simply idiocy and theft lead to such a collapse of everything and everyone, including power, that this power is no longer power, as it were. It seems like people are sitting in their offices, there are some kind of "siloviks", but ... the armchair inmates no longer manage and cannot manage anything, while the "siloviks" are already powerless and cannot do anything either.
As a result, someone comes who can manage and has the power to do so. And the old ones don't need to be "overthrown", they will scatter themselves. Somehow it was in 1917

[perm23]

and who bribes and kickbacks. to these officials. aren't we ourselves or something. Who ??. We ourselves will violate the rules of the SDA ourselves, we will give a bribe to the cop, and then we ourselves shout about bribes. and so on everywhere. Maybe all the same, look at yourself first. And start from yourself.

[pormezan]

And here it is not necessary about a trifle household. Serdyukov what, are we bribes? Putin and his government write laws such that the official simply extorts a bribe from scratch and that’s it! Yes tezhe cops do not extort bribes or what? Yes, you personally can be planted right now for a couple of bags or a couple of rounds.

[perm23]

so do not give a bribe if they extort it and bring a statement to the court. extort to the court all the problems. As Zadornov said do not litter. do not take bribes and do not notice how you find yourself in a civilized country. and understand that only the court has the right to call someone a criminal. otherwise it is impossible. YOU are ready to prove in court to witness how Serdyukov, for example, stole. you have such documents. and therefore where does Serdyukov or someone else. You be honest yourself

[pormezan]

There are no ships in Russia. Tested by my own experience in my own skin. In court, you will take an even bigger bribe.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: BAI

Who would doubt that. The election commission has clearly demonstrated how Edro is winning. Only it will end with the fact that sooner or later the people will go not to the elections, but to the streets.
On the other hand, if Ishchenko goes to the second round, he won’t get the best advertising.

And what are these "streets" to them. You won't even have to change into a woman's dress. Planes under pairs, codecs from Zeon .. ugh, account numbers and passwords in your pocket. And the world is big and warm. Wave the flag to your health. No industry, no medicine, no education. Some stadiums and bridges (but the most expensive, as if on an anti-gravity pillow)
It was necessary to go out at 93-96m. And now only develop the flexibility of the shoulder joints to the ability to bite your elbows.

[Larum]

And who doubted that they were stealing. It’s only EDRA’s all right and their friends

[Mestny]

You have no friends? Surely there is.
Do you want them to be all right?

[pormezan]

Well, yes, do not judge, but you will not judge ... Cool thieves' excuse.

[aikon1974]

In some villages, the turnout was 100% and for Karasenko there were 100% of the votes (

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

TARASENKO LEAVE THE GOOD! WE DO NOT NEED THE CONSTERS. TARASENKO VLADIVOSTOK DOESN’T RECOGNIZE YOU BECOME A GOVERNOR, YOUR LAWS ARE LEGAL. We are inappropriately. Moscow do not push your!

[Mestny]

Did he go to the polls?
Or just like that - for all the good against all power?

[pormezan]

Well, I went to the polls. And imagine voted for Putin. Now I go to rallies for his resignation. I correct my mistakes. It will be necessary and I will correct it with my hands. And not naked. Already sharpening with a screwdriver to a master.

[perm23]

And you will kill those. who may have a different opinion. That is, you will kill a person for other political views.

[pormezan]

And the cop who will beat me with a baton does this for what reason? And Putin, who forbade me to rally and any other form of protest, is doing this for what reason? After all, I just have a different opinion - I do not want to be robbed.

[perm23]

Why rubbish write rallies no one has banned. submit an application to the city hall and they will determine the date and venue. or that everyone should only adapt to you. but I just want to take a walk with the child. . without your rallies. .And if you do not disturb the order no one will beat you.

[pormezan]

You write nonsense, knowing full well that you can refuse without refusing. For example, as we have in Samara - it’s not possible today, but it’s possible when everyone is not comfortable as much as possible and it’s impossible, but it can be 20 kilometers outside the city.

[perm23]

And you need to hold a rally or show yourself. who cares . where. Why should someone for your sake. to do everything. That’s why, then. And what difference will the rally be on the 6th of the 0th or the 15th. and at the last rally he was generally on the day of silence. before the election. Before demanding the enforcement of the law from someone. you must fulfill the Law yourself. and before you blame someone for the crime, also follow the LAW yourself ... otherwise your thief will bring people against thieves ..

[perm23]

here you are the owner of the business as you wrote. and tomorrow the worker or workers will say that we have a strike today, imitating, we don’t give a damn about everything. what shipment you have there or something. we’ll sit here in your office and will rally. What are you going to do? The security or police should be called by the same OMON and beat the workers once they themselves do not want to leave. Why do you beat them and will be kicked out. and that they, too, can be sharpened and you respond toughly.

[pormezan]

Nonsense. Neither the Communist Party nor Bulk declaring rallies put the city on the brink of collapse. The comparison is far-fetched. But when football or city day or a government member arrives, this is really a collapse that cannot be compared to any rallies.

[perm23]

And here it is. You did not understand . I'm talking about the fact that I do not want your rally, it is my right as a citizen. and you want. . in the same place where I want to walk. with the same Nasral they were given another place. but he did not want to. That's the whole reason, but no one forbade the rally. The question was about that. You either do not understand. or intentionally deceiving people.

[perm23]

You wrote here just as representatives of people with non-traditional sexual orientation spoke. They also ask for their gay pride parades. Only in certain places. and during certain dates.

[K-612-O]

Better, of course, a builder who threw the budget of his native land, slipped through the lists to the Assembly and a year later to the governor, at the age of 37! You have to go to the polls! Don't yell. But in general, there is a legal procedure for appealing, go ahead, organize, only according to the LAW, and not from the "Finnish station in Smolny"

[020500]

It is not possible to legally argue with the ruling class according to the laws that this ruling class has written for itself. It will turn out something like this:

"Bakhtiyar turned to the emir:

“What will be your decision, O wisest of lords?”

The emir yawned long and closed his eyes with a look of complete indifference. Bakhtiyar respectfully bowed his head, weighed down by a white turban:

“I read the decision on your face, O lord! .. Listen,” he addressed the brothers; they knelt down, preparing to thank the emir for wisdom, justice, and mercy. Bakhtiyar announced the verdict; the scribes creaked with feathers, writing his words in thick books. - The lord of the faithful and the sun of the universe, our great emir, may the blessing of Allah be upon him, deigned to admit that if Allah took the goat to himself, then its skin should justly belong to the governor of Allah on earth, that is, the great emir, for which it must be removed with goat skin, dry and process it and bring it to the palace and hand it over to the treasury.

The brothers looked at each other in confusion, a slight whisper ran through the crowd. Bakhtiyar continued separately and loudly:

- In addition, a litigation fee in the amount of two hundred tanga, and a palace fee in the amount of one and a half hundred tanga, and a tax on the maintenance of scribes in the amount of fifty tanga, and a donation for decorating mosques, should be collected immediately from the litigants, or clothing, or other property.

And before he had finished, the guards, at the sign of Arslanbek, rushed to the brothers, pulled away, untied their belts and turned their pockets, ripped off their robes, pulled off their boots and pushed into the neck, barefoot and half-naked, barely covering their shame with miserable clothes.

All this happened in half a minute. Immediately after the verdict was announced, the entire choir of court poets began to move and began to praise in different voices:

- Oh wise emir, oh wisest of the wise, oh wise with the wisdom of the wise, oh wise emir over the wise! .. "

[Note 2]

It is not needed throughout Primorye and not only Vladivostok!

[Стена]

On September 11, Vladimir Putin met with the acting governor of Primorye, Andrei Tarasenko:
"Andrey Vladimirovich, we will not talk about the elections now. I know that you have a second round. I think everything will be all right. I would like to mainly talk about the situation in the region. How do you assess it, what problems you see, what needs help? "
The conclusion from all this. The gdp had already predetermined the victory of its protege, and thereby set its adherents to take appropriate action.

[kakvastam]

Quote: Wall

Everything, I think, will be in order.

Mr. Putin has his own idea of ​​order.
Well, he has the right.

[Flatter]

M Zadornov .- "The whole country is stealing something. The chef is stealing sausage, someone is stealing the railroad, and their elections, you see, must be honest. I don't understand, where did you get this from ?!"

[777-3-59-97]

Never was this, and here again.
For those who will write, they say, the guarantor has nothing to do with it, it’s all edro filthy.

Putin on September 11, before three in the morning, had a working meeting with the interim governor Tarasenko, in which he assured him that everything would be fine in the elections.

[minus]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqt4mdBk4DE

[Mestny]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Igor - do you see all of God's dew? wink And then. that only 25% of the population came to the polls around the country, is this normal? The people do not believe in power or in elections, and they are right. And you are doing well, beautiful marquise. fool

No, this is not normal. You Communists must understand this.
Do you know why it’s not normal? Because they did not vote for the Communist Party. Does this really bother you?
Well, it would seem - come, vote, at least for the green men, the main thing is against the government. And then at least your voice will be much more difficult to use in juggling the results. Well, or vote for the Communist Party, even better. Do you want the law? Well.
So no - the Communist Party with the stubbornness of the weak-minded calls for a boycott of the election in general.
It is likely that there would be an opportunity then to howl at all angles about fraud. There is no other way to explain.
And yes - we are not doing well, but a lot.
Everything is bad with you.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mestny

You Communists must understand this.

If you follow my activity, you should know that I am a monarchist. And with the Communists, I am on the way, for only the Communists put up a worthy candidate in the presidential election.

Quote: Mestny

Do you want the law?

By what law did ALL unprocessed votes turn out to be for Tarasenko?

[kakvastam]

Quote: Mestny

Well, it would seem - come vote

And how many people, directly or indirectly, agitated to ignore the elections, "vote with their feet"?
Do you believe that all these agitators were completely disinterested?
And believe in Santa Claus too?

[tacet]

Is there a difference between the two?

[ZVS]

Really amazing. Last night, according to Moscow time and late at night on Primorsky, the candidate from the Communist Party won 4%, and this morning he loses 2%. This can not be in principle. The general trend should have continued in the morning, maybe with a slight error.
And the reason for the banality is simple: now in Primorye a lot of money will go for the development of the Far East, so the ruling clan needs its own man to direct financial flows from kickbacks to the top.

[ROBIN-SON]

It’s not a matter of who is participating in the elections, white or red. It's just a violation of the rules for the conduct of elections. Which are equal for all.
If this does not suit someone, hold a referendum on what kind of power should be in the country. Elective or Monarchy. The second, in my opinion, in our case solves all the problems.

[cerbuk6155]

United Russia consists entirely of former (communists). The USSR collapsed and now they have taken on RUSSIA.

[tatra]

So who have you, enemies of the communists, been stamping to vote for for 27 years? For the communists Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky, the communists from United Russia, or for the enemies of the communists Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky, members of United Russia?
One of the qualities of the enemies of the Communists is irrationality and monstrous irresponsibility. They have been crucified for 27 years, as they naturally live under their anti-Soviet power, because they HAVE much to do with it, and for 27 years they cowardly threw their anti-Soviet power to the Soviet Communists and their supporters.

[Henderson]

Communists are the same spoilers of United Russia. Pseudo opposition. And always it was. It is enough to recall the election of the President of the Russian Federation in 1996.

[tatra]

That’s the whole Russian anti-Soviet clique rushed to HIT the Communists before the 1996 elections, and then cowardly accused the Communists that they themselves, you see, did not want to take away the power that the enemies of the Communists simply wanted to give back to the Communists.
Just as she rushed to POISE the Communist candidate before the last "Putin's elections."

[Henderson]

Quote: tatra

Just as she rushed to POISE the Communist candidate before the last "Putin's elections."

It is for these purposes that the Communist Party serves. To act as a spoiler and merge the protest into nowhere, creating the illusion of the opposition. Therefore, they are ready to humiliate themselves.
And the very Ishchenko is exactly what a spoiler is, he has already managed to promise to pursue Putin’s policy in the region.
https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2018/09/16/n_12044509.shtml
Another thing is that no one expected that the people are already so tired of it that edro begins to merge their own spoilers.

[tatra]

What nonsense is that? I wrote that the enemies of the Communists, with all their anger and hatred, lies and slander, rudeness and insults, HARRED the Communist candidates before the election of the President of Russia in 1996 and 2018.
And you climb with stupid criticism of the Communists.

[Henderson]

Who and when poisoned Zyuganov? Putin? So they are not enemies.

[020500]

Not the Communists, but the Communist Party. Communists there and does not smell

[Henderson]

You're right. He meant the Communist Party.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Well here, or an accountant, or gypsies. To catch - the navel will be untied.

[Mestny]

Quote: Rimlianin

Exactly there. If falsified - you need to beat hands

You are a thief and child molester.
Enough tolerating this. You need to be punished immediately, for life.
And do not make excuses! we all know that this is true.
How is this alignment like?

[albert]

Quote: Mestny

You are a thief and child molester.

Do Putin propagandists have such manuals now?

[Altona]

Quote: Oper

Can you imagine ?!

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You are a king to a place and not to a place of vanity, and nothing. Ukraine has been feeding the people for 4 years, nothing too. Can't you see the logs in your eyes? And then for a couple of months the people were buzzing with the pension reform, they were "not tired". Be patient, Mr. Monarchist, nothing will happen to you.

[Vovan 73]

In fact, one must clearly understand one simple thing. The existing government will do any forgeries, nasty things and falsifications in order to stay in power, even for one extra day. For even for this day a substantial amount "drips" to them. There is only one way to get rid of this insatiable, thieves' clique from power - a popular uprising. There are no other options.

[perm23]

The question is only one. and who will judge. who is right who is not. YOU. and you yourself are an honest person and if they give you power tomorrow. How do you give up the privileges of power. From money. I doubt it. and what to shoot at each other again. Again civil war. and then it won’t be. in our history already. that the victorious Bolsheviks did not become honest. as it is sung in songs. and in our rooms the commissars are sitting and our girls are led into the study.

[tasha]

It is interesting that in the first round of elections 206300 people voted for Tarasenko, and 109129 for Ishchenko. supporters of the acting governor of Primorye are consistent in their convictions, and all the rest vote according to the principle "The main thing is AGAINST the candidate from United Russia."

[kakvastam]

Quote: tasha

Those. supporters of the acting governor of Primorye are consistent in their beliefs

Interesting ideas about beliefs ...

[NordUral]

The big question on this result is -206300.

[Altona]

Quote: K-612-O

Only now the commies would be so fundamental in the 96th would be!

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Would have been shot by tanks as in 1993. That’s the whole choice. Do you think that was necessary?

[K-612-O]

These are some kind of fairy tales. Svedlovsky all people could not stand. And even if so, it would be honest and communist. But Gennady Andreevich himself was a rotten and then cleaned up all the adequate people.

[Altona]

Quote: Vovan 73

There is only one way to remove this insatiable, thieving clique from power - a nationwide uprising. There are no other options.

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For now, such radical methods are not needed. This is already too much. To start a general strike, it is enough, or rather a series of strikes, of your own trade unions and local councils. And for an armed uprising there is no basis, so to speak, social and material. Under the tsar, during the World War, crowds of people were armed and there was still a “significant deterioration in the situation of the working class,” but now there is no significant deterioration.

[SAKHALIN64]

I won’t use labels, but I think Vladivostok, which followed the elections much more closely than I did, understood everything. The hunger strike is bullshit. The main thing is that the situation itself means that Tarasenko, if there is one, will have to prove his legitimacy in the eyes of people for a very long time. And it is unlikely that he will be able to do this. Next, next week, repeat elections in the Khabarovsk Territory - Furgal or Shport. And again, all the Far Easterners will watch... And the Central Election Commission will think))

[Altona]

Quote: cerbuk6155

United Russia consists entirely of former (communists). The USSR collapsed and now they have taken on RUSSIA.

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A convenient thesis. That is, my father went to the DND, helped the school, was engaged in social work in order to destroy the USSR? United Russia consists of former members of the CPSU. They were members of the CPSU, but not communists. In 1991, everyone unanimously changed their color to Democrats.

[tasha]

They were members of the CPSU, but not communists.

Your truth.. Are you aware of how they are accepted into the Communist Party of the Russian Federation now? When joining, they give you a Mauser and a bourgeois to prove your loyalty to the party? I'm kidding, of course...

Are there any requirements for CIPF members to ensure their honesty and integrity?

[perm23]

none. We actually nominated a candidate from them for the elections. which all parties refused. thief. bandit. . was under investigation. but he was rich in different parties before that. kicked out. and then he gave money and went from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation... a local oligarch.

[Note 2]

There are not only former members of the CPSU. For example, Batalina, born in 77 during the CPSU, walked under the table, but four years ago in one of the evening programs she praised the pension reform so much that I got the impression that she was stoned to death, as the Primorsky weed smokers said.

[Altona]

Quote: tasha

Are there any requirements for CIPF members to ensure their honesty and integrity?

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To be honest, I don’t know the requirements, I just sympathize with them based on their work in the Duma. They vote against the innovations of United Russia and the Government. Now we need to unite all sensible people to limit the appetites of the authorities and change the government itself. The authorities want to throw the population off the budget echelon and divide it themselves.

[tasha]

Voting AGAINST will not achieve anything.
I have always been curious - on what principle do regional branches of parties nominate candidates for elections...

[Mestny]

Moreover, you will not achieve anything by not participating in voting at all.
And this is exactly what opposition leaders are calling for.
By what principle.... Yes, by the simplest - money. And power. Both, and more.
Don’t you think that any Communist Party of the Russian Federation is really fighting for the prosperity of the people and the country?

[bk316]

I don’t care who Ishchenko is. Since they voted for him, he must be a governor. If the given numbers are correct, no one else can win, such spreads across sections are statistically impossible. Time will tell whether he will be a good governor or talk to the cosmos from under the table. If the people of Primorye choose a thief, the thief will choose an honest man, he will be honest.

[kakvastam]

I have a serious suspicion that someone is diligently digging into Mr. Putin, depriving him of any right to trust - first they set him up with gasoline and pension reform, now this clownery with election fraud...
But, judging by his (absent) reaction - “grandfather is old, he doesn’t care”!

[pormezan]

No, grandfather is precisely the shadow customer and the initiator of the theft of Russians.

[kakvastam]

Quote: pormezan

No, grandfather is precisely the shadow customer and the initiator of the theft of Russians.

It is possible, but then this is a rather stupid customer.
He sees how the perpetrators diligently paint the devil out of him and set the robbed people against him, but continues to support them in this. And who is his doctor then?

[pormezan]

So the people are trying to reason with grandfather through rallies and protest voting in all elections. The people are the doctor. So far a good doctor, but he can turn into an evil orderly.

[Note 2]

Grandfather, a protégé of the oligarchs' buddies, pretends that he has no silver. I remember some interview a couple of years ago where a foreign correspondent asked Putin a question - is it true that you are the richest man in Europe? To which Volodya, laughing falsely, said that it seems like I am rich in soul.

[Altona]

Quote: tasha

Voting AGAINST will not achieve anything.

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Well, they have a small number there now. The entire opposition was deliberately reduced to a minority so that United Russia would have a constitutional majority. United Russia wants to enrich itself at a faster rate.

[NyeMoNik70]

Great! It’s a shame for Yeltsenoid communists to steal again in the Primorsky Territory. They betrayed their electorate in 96, and now the Trotskyist-aidomasson Houdini (Grudinin) is driving the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Citizens made the right choice.

[DEDPIHTO]

Ukrainian fly agarics in action.

[Altona]

Quote: kakvastam

I have a serious suspicion that someone is diligently digging for Mr. Putin

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Mr. Putin had 18 years to create his own electorate and a normal patriotic party. And he just came out and said that he was completely dependent on his environment and that he agreed with what this environment wanted. And that all the chatter about patriotism and “a fortress under siege” is just a blatant cover for robbing the people.

[kakvastam]

That's why I said that grandpa doesn't care...

[Altona]

Quote: NyeMoNik70

Great! It’s a shame for Yeltsenoid communists to steal again in the Primorsky Territory. They betrayed their electorate in 96, and now the Trotskyist-aidomasson Houdini (Grudinin) is driving the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Citizens made the right choice.

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Are you expected at school by any chance? Marivanna is probably worried.

[NyeMoNik70]

I'm not expected at school yet. And they are waiting for you and your “tovagis.” FSVNG + riot police + conscious citizens and a little bit of our anti-Maidan. I hope you will ask them this question: “Are you by any chance expected at school?” face to face. Take diapers to the strike.
P.S. "As they sowed the wind, they will also reap the whirlwind..."

[Mestny]

Quote: Sovetskiy

The conclusion is alarming: either our whole country is in United Russia or the voter is a secret admirer of BDSM.

If you only read the Internet, and even then not all of it, then yes, the conclusion is paradoxical.
If you talk to real people and go out into the street, everything falls into place.
The secret is simple - no one finishes their last meal without salt.

[pormezan]

Until he finishes eating. But smart people look a couple of steps ahead, and the vector is already clearly defined.

[Kunica]

Even if they prove the communist’s victory, they won’t let me work normally. They will find boxes of currency, uncover corruption schemes and accounts abroad. They know how it happens)). They themselves have done this 100 times.

[Lexa-149]

These creatures will never give up power!

[Laayoune]

It is unlikely that such a magical turnaround can happen in real life (it was calculated so that one candidate had even fewer votes than in the previous count):

[Mihail55]

The situation is deadlocked. A commission from Pamfilova will arrive. They will look into it...they won’t give us a report anyway...
I myself voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation at the local level...they simply canceled the “Against all” column. The turnout is meager almost everywhere. The election strategy of opponents of the ruling United Russia is disgusting! The problem is going from house to house and holding meetings, explaining your position - do you need a lot of material resources for this??? And most importantly - go defeat the MONSTER - unite! But is it possible to moderate your ambitions... so again until the next elections we will tolerate THESE...

[bk316]

The election strategy of opponents of the ruling United Russia is disgusting!

No, she's just beautiful. You just need to understand that these are not opponents, not enemies, but OPPONSERS. The meaning of their activity is the same as that of an opponent when defending a dissertation - to create the VIEW of a discussion.
None of them want power because they are afraid and don’t know what to do with it. And thank God, but the question arises: what will happen next?

[020500]

Quote: Michael55

A commission from Pamfilova will arrive. They will look into it...they won’t give us a report anyway...

They will. Live from M. Simonyan. “Well, we were kind of watching the cathedral, having a blast. And on TV they say in Primorye the communist is winning. Well, we are registered in Vladik - so we immediately boarded the plane and voted. These votes were swung towards the right candidate.”

[020500]

Like this

[NordUral]

It is those who do not come to the polls and allow the government to remain in power. And then they whine, how can this be? So, vote or lose. Well, if only your fate, but the fate of the country, children and grandchildren with great-grandchildren is being decided.

[seacap]

It’s like in Kaliningrad, where deputies to the State Duma were elected; the candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation won in Kaliningrad and the region. As a result, a “boyar”, a former mayor, who ruined the city and, with his accomplices, destroyed more than one competitor, was elected to the State Duma. destroying the business, while heating the handles. And he won at the expense of the “Moldavians”, where is Moldova with its Transnistria and where is Kaliningrad, but for Panfilova this is normal. In our country, where the government and its own so-called. “elites” wage war on their people and defend and protect other people’s interests, where the economy works for hostile powers, defending and defending the plunder and destruction of their country, the whole system works for these purposes, nothing is surprising.

[tank64rus]

Shame and rudeness.

[jetfors_84]

Late tonight, when 95,74% of the ballots had been processed, I was in the lead by a solid 5% margin (Ishchenko - 229 votes, 171% and Tarasenko - 51,24 votes, 206%),

By mathematical calculations
Ishchenko - 229171 votes 51,24%
Tarasenko - 206454 votes 46,16%
Which is 97,4% of the counted ballots 435253
Hence, 100% of the counted ballots is 447
The difference is 11628 ballots were apparently considered invalid.
We output 447253, which is 95,74%, then 100% is 467153 ballots, i.e. there were 19900 left to count.
And then if all 19900 turned out to be valid and all for Tarasenko, then 19900 + 206454 = 226354, which is less than 229171 votes.
?????????????
Understand nothing

[NordUral]

These people have no laws. Neither mathematics, nor state laws. Although our country has had a big problem with the state since 91.

[Z_G_R]

the further you go, the more wonderful and wonderful it will become.. and then it will be very, very bad unfortunately(

[Cottager452]

How can people who call themselves communists have the right to vote and even be elected anywhere?
At least 100 years “without the right of correspondence” after the collapse of the USSR.

[NordUral]

How much you said. And why didn’t the communists please you, my friend?

[tatra]

And firstly, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR are pathological liars, hypocrites, with a mental tendency to slanderously accuse people of crimes.
Secondly, they proved that they are against everything that is best for their country and people.
And this is not specifically about the communists, but about the essence of those raging against the communists.

[Cottager452]

They insult my intelligence with their lies.

[tatra]

Compared to you, the enemies of the communists, the communists and their supporters are models of honesty. All 30 years after your capture of the USSR, you have been lying, slandering the communists to justify your capture of the USSR, and the communists and their supporters are exposing you.

[NordUral]

The Communist Party of the Russian Federation needs a new leader. Young and tough. Zyuganov fits into the power vertical and he is not essentially a leader. Just as the president of the country is a random person, so in the Communist Party the wrong person ended up at its head.

[Metallurg_2]

It doesn’t matter how they voted, but it’s important how they counted.
And for those who do not agree with the election results, they came up with the National Guard. So as not to shake, you know, the situation while getting up from your knees.

[Phoenix_L'vov]

Usual falsification, nothing new...

[AB]

What a great time the Central Election Commission was doing this morning. And in one direction and in the other. And then the elections were recognized as valid. The main thing is not how they vote, but how they think!

[Darth gazgkull]

What else did you want?

[Yan Sergeev]

Maidan are damned Banderaites. A normal person will not rebel against the tsar and the boyars - the slaves have become unruly!

[lelik613]

“In bourgeois countries, it is important not how they vote, but how they count”
Damn Stalin reached out!

[Indifferent]

Why go to the polls if the party in power or those chosen by the authorities will win in any case?
As people say, vote or don’t vote, you’ll still get... a donut hole.
As the American classic said, if anything depended on us, we would not be allowed to participate in the elections.

[Note 2]

The guys on the OTV local Primorsky television channel on election day, September 16, Mr. Tarasenko brazenly brazened out for his party, what kind of honesty can we talk about after this? At one of the voting stations, the fire brigade was specially called to prevent members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from seeing the voting results and they did not they knew the number of votes for the communists and also for the purpose of stuffing ballots for Tarasenko. Democracy rules!

[perm23]

and so on for memory. and that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is better or something. that's simple. was the CPSU and what they received. the collapse of the country. and all the party members fled and not one came out to defend their country and their party. So did these. Not a single State Duma deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation refused his salary. NOT alone. Lest we jump off the same horse. don’t sit on another one which is certainly no better.

[tatra]

The enemies of the communists have proven that you are not worthy of the slightest freedom, starting with the fact that you completely lack a sense of responsibility for your words and actions.
It was YOU who divided the USSR into your anti-Soviet-Russophobic “independence”, and cowardly blamed it on the communists.
It is YOU who always pretend to be those who benefit you at the moment, and then you betray both those who trusted you and each other.
Those of you who, for the sake of profit, climbed into the CPSU, the Soviet government, betrayed the communists who believed them, and you, all the rest, betrayed these, starting with your “Liberator” Gorbachev, whom you planted on the communists and their supporters.

[Brigadier]

EdRo is a worthy fosterling of Putin!
Two of a Kind!