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Is Zolotov’s case a consequence of the Kremlin’s “reverse selection”?

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Zolotov’s speech and the latest round of the Skripale case caused a genuine storm in the Russian (and not only) blogosphere. And in fact, both of these events are related. Both of them have a common root cause - reverse personnel selection, which has been taking place for the last few years at the very top of the Russian political Olympus.



Photo Shoot: kremlin.ru

The fact that the speech Zolotov - obvious nonsense, in the Russian blogosphere did not speak only lazy. Indeed, nonsense - the general, having a whole army under his control, could not calculate the more than obvious consequences of his rash act. Moreover, even in the course of his speech, he failed not only in substance, but also in form of presentation. Zolotov could only control himself for the first few minutes. But then emotions got the better of exposure. Some kind of semi-linguistic vocabulary of the 90's time began to break through ... I immediately recall the phrase: Jupiter, you are angry, which means you are wrong.

Immediately the question arises: who gave the go-ahead to this more than controversial speech? And who prepared the text? Obviously not sophisticated Khinshtein, called to be responsible for the image of the Rosguards? Then who? Himself, or what? Why then didn’t he turn to Khinshtein? Maybe because he strongly dissuaded the general from such a rash step, and the general really wanted to speak?

In addition to the obvious short-sightedness, the performance is also very immoral in essence. It is published three weeks after the FBK publication of the investigation of corruption in the Rosguards. Why Zolotov was silent before that? Why didn’t he file Navalny with a court, as did the late Defense Minister Pavel Grachev, suing Moskovsky Komsomolets (and won the process, by the way)? Moreover, the answer was given to Navalny when he was sitting in the jail. Could you not wait for the release? This is not even officer-like, but at least not gentlemanly. Thirdly, the speech was made when Zolotov's fighters rather cruelly dispersed the bulk shkolotu. Is that a hint? Like, in this way we will continue to act?

As a result, a non-system, illegitimate, and slowly but inevitably losing popularity blogger Navalny again became the focus of public attention. If this is not a disservice, then what is it? Is the power in the person of General Zolotov publicly and officially recognizes Navalny as equal and dueling? But...

Another disappointing outcome of the message: promising to turn Navalny into a juicy chop, step over his body and wipe his feet on him, General Zolotov became the target of the jokes and poignantness of the very civil society that in Russia is almost completely concentrated in the Internet space. The disease is growing, a flashmob #ZolotovChallenge, in which citizens who sympathize with Navalny call the Commander of the Rosgvardia for various fights. He was initiated by Viktor Soldatov, Russia's bronze medalist in swimming, who offered the general a “swimming duel” in the pool. Further more. A wave of information tsunami went to offer duels in different kinds of competitions: who will spit on, jump, start up, who will solve problems from the EGE ... One of the most extravagant can be considered as a pensioner Petrova's call: who will last longer for 11 000 rubles for her pension ... Veterans of social networks are well aware of the iron rule: you can not feed the troll. Having posted his video message to the network, the commander of the Rosgvardia fed the whole army of trolls. And most importantly: in his address he set up not only himself. He dealt a sensitive blow to the reputation of power. He put her to ridicule. But this is serious. In the Russian political tradition, power can be disliked (in fact, it is almost never loved), it can be feared and even hated. But you can not laugh at her.

Such experiments with power always ended in failure. In 1917, they laughed at Nicholas II. The result was terrible: the state system in Russia collapsed. The country drowned in blood. For a long time they laughed at Brezhnev. The results of these giggles slur so far.

But why did this happen? I would venture to suggest that negative (or reverse) personnel selection prevailed in the Russian political Olympus, about which many experts warned Putin, knowing his character, many years ago.

Putin is known to be a security officer to the tips of his fingers. And like any cadre of special services, he hates betrayal. The other side of this quality medal is an exaggerated assessment of personal loyalty. It does not matter whether a person is smart or not, highly motivated or immoral in principle - the main thing is not to betray. To be committed to life.

And this is the main mistake of the president. He seeks to deliver devotees to all key posts in the state. Not smart, professional, competent (this is all, in his opinion, will accumulate over time), namely the devotees. The fact that a devotee under pressure of circumstances in big politics can also become a traitor, for some reason, is not considered at all. Also, as well as the fact that the stupidity made by the devotee to the bone marrow can be worse than any betrayal ... As happened in the case of Zolotov, and with the general of the GRU (or rather, the GU GSH), who made it ridiculous a couple Petrov - Bosharov, eventually losing an intellectual battle with specialists from MI-6 ...

All Putin's entourage perfectly studied the qualities of their leader. They all vow to him in personal loyalty. Star dummies, having broken through to posts and armchairs, leave a burned-out field around themselves, burning all sorts of nerds and nerds with a hot iron and taking into cloaks and subordinates even more intellectually limited but already committed by the blockheads. Bench is getting smaller. To all sorts of clever nerds, nerds places in it are less and less. The public blizzard on Olympus is being carried more and more often - and not only Peskov, as Putin himself said.

Power shrinks and intellectually self-destructs. The case of Zolotov will appear more often. And if today radical changes do not occur in the personnel policy of the country's top officials, the Kremlin’s negative selection can lead to the most irreversible consequences - for themselves ...
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  1. RUSS
    RUSS 17 September 2018 17: 11
    +46
    The author, of course, did not discover America, saying obvious things, but the main thing is that the patriots also begin to see clearly.
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 17 September 2018 17: 24
      -10
      Quote: RUSS
      cheers patriots begin to see clearly

      Respected! Why are you repeating this term? You are a sane person, and this term is used by nationalists (including Ukrainian) to humiliate patriots and raise traitors ...
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 17 September 2018 19: 26
        +23
        Respectful Evgeny! The Guarantor's personnel policy does not tolerate criticism, and this is understandable! There is a king, there is a king, but in recent years this has raised some suspicion. The positions are occupied not by professionals, but by those close to the body. Let's remember Comrade. Fradkov Mikhail Efimovich, reserve colonel who led the SVR (2007 - 2016). It was under him that the grandiose failures of our illegal immigrants in the States and Europe occurred !!!
        Quote: Dashout
        Quote: RUSS
        cheers patriots begin to see clearly

        Respected! Why are you repeating this term? You are a sane person, and this term is used by nationalists (including Ukrainian) to humiliate patriots and raise traitors ...
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 17 September 2018 21: 21
          +24
          And if today in the personnel policy of the first persons of the country radical changes do not occur,

          And with what fright will they happen? Also radical besides ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 18 September 2018 06: 22
            +19
            in the Russian political Olympus, negative (or reverse) personnel selection prevailed

            It has long been noticed that Putin does not like strong and authoritative personalities who can be smarter than him. It is obvious that among such as this Zolotov, our Guarantor feels much more comfortable.

            What is indicative of what Zolotov says is that his immediate boss took him to work for Yeltsin. Korzhakov on Ukrainian TV: Zolotov used to be an oligophrenic, but now imbitsil

            It is surprising that on our site there were quite a few defenders of this "laughing stock", those who justify Zolotov's actions. Well, it is completely regrettable that the mustachioed secretary in the Kremlin stained himself with this.
          2. Titsen
            Titsen 18 September 2018 07: 21
            +11
            The most correct comment!

            Indeed, with what fright did the power get scared ?!

            Yes, not at all!

            The servants of the people wanted to spit on the people!

            Gold and foreign currency will be a little subjugated, he will disappear from the media for a short while and that’s all!
        2. Maverick1812
          Maverick1812 18 September 2018 14: 39
          +9
          Why failures ?! Purposefully merged, zeroing out decades of titanic efforts, and actually committing betrayal and treason!
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 September 2018 21: 36
        +13
        Quote: Dashout
        Why are you repeating this term?

        There are many terms that have a threefold interpretation. But really, all-forgiving, and believing that he knows better, categorically became very few.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Nix1986
        Nix1986 18 September 2018 15: 19
        +1
        "Pop" is, but no word? He said everything about the case.
    2. Logall
      Logall 17 September 2018 17: 25
      +72
      They poke their nose in kaku, and they (bureaucrats) climb into the fray

      Yes, in the defense industry there are a lot of interesting things lately
      1. Moore
        Moore 17 September 2018 17: 52
        +39
        You should always check what you post.
        Masha is not a major general of the Russian army, but only a simple, real state adviser to the Russian Federation of the 2nd class, which corresponds to the army as lieutenant general or vice admiral in the fleet.
        So I imagine the picture. Sitting in the bath, these are the same, "star" and are talking
        No. 1: I bought my house in Switzerland. No. 2: bullshit, I squeezed my hotel chain. No. 3: you are both suckers, I made my general.
        1. Logall
          Logall 17 September 2018 18: 00
          +34

          Spit on her, it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ... For a figure or face?
          1. Moore
            Moore 17 September 2018 18: 12
            +17
            The trouble is that vassals (usually also children of reverse selection) take an example from their overlord. So the army is slowly being filled with the cordial affection of commandos of various levels. It would seem - well, have (in a good way) you beloved somewhere outside the service - this is a matter of life. No, only for a military position ...
            Not the biggest army problem, but still ...
            1. Logall
              Logall 17 September 2018 18: 35
              +31
              Quote: Moore
              Not the biggest army problem, but still ...

              Of course not the most, there are also relatives ...
              and relatives of officials of various stripes are much more numerous than women ...
              But do not forget about Vasilyeva - someone's woman and someone's relative - two in one ...
              1. free
                free 18 September 2018 16: 45
                +3
                Quote: Logall
                Quote: Moore
                Not the biggest army problem, but still ...

                Of course not the most, there are also relatives ...
                and relatives of officials of various stripes are much more numerous than women ...
                But do not forget about Vasilyeva - someone's woman and someone's relative - two in one ...

                Ways of departure are prepared.
          2. kakvastam
            kakvastam 17 September 2018 18: 34
            +27
            As you know, a woman has three paths up, two in front and one in the back ...
            1. Karenius
              Karenius 17 September 2018 23: 11
              +5
              It is not always so ... It happens, and fortune can smile ... In the dashing 90s, somehow cops from all over the CIS gathered in Armenia .. Shashlik-mashlik on the shore of Sevan ... Coffee is served by an employee in the form of an oldley ... Some of the guests joke: "such a beauty in uniform would have walked with captain's shoulder straps :)", to which our minister replied very gracefully - he wrote on a napkin an order to confer the beauty on a major :)
              By the way, he went to the cops from children's writers ... We remember him with good words for 20 years - he could kill any cattle ... Only at the end he missed - he joined the Zionists, for which he was expelled from here after the overthrow of L.T.P.
          3. Dashout
            Dashout 17 September 2018 18: 53
            +8
            Quote: Logall
            Spit on her, it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ... For a figure or face?

            Sasha, maybe her legs are special wink We can’t see .. wink
            1. Bastinda
              Bastinda 18 September 2018 08: 09
              +6
              For personal devotion! She chews carefully before swallowing! laughing laughing
            2. Antares
              Antares 18 September 2018 21: 30
              +2
              Quote: Dashout
              her legs are some kind of special wink But we can’t see .. wink

              - Feet visible *?
              Yeah
              - So between the legs and the difference! winked
          4. neri73-r
            neri73-r 17 September 2018 19: 30
            -12
            Quote: Logall
            For a figure or face?

            Yes, as a rule, in the last 20, 30 years, or for the first or second, but there are exceptions! For example, I don’t know who Kitaeva is, yes, her appearance is good, but this is not proof that she has no mind and abilities in her specialty. Or did someone see her in bed with the minister or governor? The title, in the presence of education, is assigned according to position. hi
            1. Logall
              Logall 17 September 2018 19: 57
              +25
              And look for Old on the Internet ... You can find almost nothing! Information about it is cleared. It is only known that she was born in Belgium, but studied in Moscow. Then she graduated from MGIMO, but which faculty is unknown. I doubt that I studied at the diplomat, then this info would be put on display. Then she studied for an actress ... She conducted the news and op - she is an adviser to the Governor of the Moscow Region Sergey Shoigu. After which her biography was cleaned up. I doubt that there was much to be proud of, because (I repeat) good achievements are put on display in order to remove doubts about the person’s competence ... But in this case we do not observe this.
              That the young lady is not stupid is understandable, but it is her competence that causes great doubt.
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 17 September 2018 23: 05
                -9
                Quote: Logall
                That the young lady is not stupid is understandable, but it is her competence that causes great doubt.

                Strange statements you have !!!! The logic from the series (I remember the lessons at the university) - all the geese are gray, the goose is Vasya is white! So goose Vasya is not a goose! wassat tongue laughing Oh, there is no square on you !!! hi Who in the subject, he will understand. drinks
            2. victor50
              victor50 18 September 2018 14: 18
              +6
              Quote: neri73-r
              The title, in the presence of education, is assigned according to position.

              Do you yourself believe in that? lol
          5. Waldemar
            Waldemar 17 September 2018 20: 18
            +6
            Maybe she has tight ... clothes?
          6. kapitan92
            kapitan92 17 September 2018 20: 58
            +9
            Quote: Logall
            Spit on her, it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ... For a figure or face?

            For the ability to correctly use the face and figure. laughing
          7. Nikolai Petrov
            Nikolai Petrov 18 September 2018 05: 17
            +6
            Spit on her, it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ... For a figure or face?
            Rather, for another part of the body. But the admin will ban the publication of the name of this organ.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 17 September 2018 17: 58
        +16
        Buddha is with her, and what is she. for his generalship, accomplished labor accomplishment in the field of civil service?
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 September 2018 19: 13
        +4
        You don’t know what she’s doing, maybe she’s a marshal in her business, and they gave her all the major general, the lowest rank, of the general’s, of course. soldier negative
      4. BAI
        BAI 17 September 2018 20: 01
        +5
        She even surpassed `` General Dima ''
      5. Giants
        Giants 17 September 2018 20: 35
        -4
        And Maria Kitaeva is a very handsome general. I would give myself to her. Not just that, for a glass of seeds at least.
      6. Revival
        Revival 17 September 2018 21: 38
        +4
        Right now they will explain to you that you have no right to get answers to all these "dumb questions"
      7. Charik
        Charik 18 September 2018 14: 08
        +3
        didn’t work, but they presented the house with a car on the mobile
      8. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 18 September 2018 14: 41
        +4
        Diagnosis: pumped! repeat
      9. Sailor popeye
        Sailor popeye 20 September 2018 16: 27
        0
        Why post nonsense network level classmates?
        Firstly, Maria Kitaeva is not a military man at all! This is a purely civilian person.
        Secondly, Kitaeva is neither a major general nor a lieutenant general. Never had military ranks, and now does not have. Maria Kitaeva, Advisor to Shoigu, Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation, Grade 2. Absolutely civilian rank assigned to her by presidential decree.
        1. Logall
          Logall 20 September 2018 16: 38
          +1
          Brother, it's not about the ranks, but about the rank. Or rather, in what she deserved it ... After all, she didn’t even follow this path. From announcer to advisers to the governor, and then to - well, you know.
          (Mail look)
    3. mavrus
      mavrus 17 September 2018 17: 44
      +5
      And before that, someone did not know that our generals were a "proud bird" until you kick it - it won't fly. The main thing is that the "kicker" is in order, then the generals will be eagles.
    4. 7gor
      7gor 17 September 2018 19: 46
      +9
      I'll be honest! He believed in Putin, voted! And now, after all his last actions, I’m in some kind of uncertain state. Like Putin is not the same, and there’s no one else to vote for recourse
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 September 2018 20: 22
        +20
        Quote: 7gor
        I'll be honest! He believed in Putin, voted! And now, after all his last actions, I’m in some kind of uncertain state. Like Putin is not the same, and there’s no one else to vote for recourse

        You won’t have to vote for another 6 years .. so don’t worry, there’s time to think ..
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 September 2018 21: 42
        +5
        Quote: 7gor
        I'll be honest! He believed in Putin, voted! And now

        likewise, it infuriates me that there are no sane options for economic growth. I see that she is falling. Transnational trading networks do not leave hope for anything, they need to be fought and not corruption.
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 17 September 2018 20: 06
      -7
      Quote: RUSS
      +10
      The author of course did not discover America

      Didn't open it. But, it is not clear, what is moreover, Zolotov's stupid "answer to Navalny" and the Skripal poisoning? Those. the cunning author secretly asserts nonsense, yes, they say the GRU General Staff poisoned them ... And even a couple of Aglitsky buldyrs at the same time. Unwise there, they say, "General" ...
      For example, I personally do not strongly approve of Zolotov's act, but ... I understand that I don’t know much and cannot judge him as a commander. Those. I certainly read, heard about the "many lies" that he allegedly committed and his family too. But, we read about all different things.
      As for mistakes "at work" and nonsense in everyday life, then lamentations about the shrinking personnel reserve is a song for average minds who do not want to know the history of the Fatherland and not only it.
      There were people at all times and above Zolotov, and "their foolishness was visible" in a very extraordinary way.
      For example, Comrade Khrushchev N.S. "he said back in the UN that we would show Kuzkin's mother to them," and so on, comrade. Yeltsin, "drunk all the days," described himself and conducted the orchestra ... request
      And there was also an "intelligent bastard", even worse, Comrade. Kozyrev, Shevardnadze, and the Stravropol combiner labeled bear, then ...
      Yes, under the leader of the peoples Stalin I.V. there were many military and civilian tricks, for the tricks of which our people paid millions of lives.
      And then Zolotov, Zolotov this.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 September 2018 21: 48
        +4
        Quote: Alekseev
        Didn't open it. But, it is not clear, what is moreover, Zolotov's stupid "answer to Navalny" and the Skripal poisoning?

        the point is in the system. Lack of professionalism. Political including. Before the hype in the press, on our part, a criminal case was launched on an attempt on the assassination of Russian citizens - Skripaly - there was no hype. The answer to this was the hype. They did not manage to inflate their company. Weak here. As always, however.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 September 2018 08: 55
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        But, it is not clear, what is moreover, Zolotov's stupid "answer to Navalny" and the Skripal poisoning? Those. the cunning author secretly asserts nonsense, yes, they say, the GRU General Staff poisoned them.

        The only comment with which I completely agree: the author talking upagreeing with England that Russia poisoned the violins.
        This is beyond reason.
        Quote: Alekseev
        For example, I personally highly disapprove of Zolotov’s deed, but ... I understand that I don’t know much and cannot judge him as a commander.

        And this is so: not always people do well, but this is not a reason to invent a system from this
        1. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 19 September 2018 10: 05
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          And this is so: not always people do well, but this is not a reason to invent a system from this

          And if people always do wrong, then how?
          About the article
          It doesn’t matter whether a person is smart or not, morally or immoral in principle - the main thing is not to betray. To be betrayed in life.

          Mr President gifted an oil company to his academician footman:
          "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the transfer to the Chechen Republic of 100% of the shares of OJSC Chechenneftekhimprom (ChNHP), which were still in federal ownership. In 2015, the head of the region Ramzan Kadyrov requested the transfer of the company to Chechnya.
          Putin’s decree, published on the Internet portal of legal information, states that the decision was made at the suggestion of the governments of Chechnya and Russia “in order to develop industrial production in the Chechen Republic and increase the efficiency of the use of property” by Chechenneftekhimprom.
          The decree came into force on September 18, 2018, two months are given to transfer the shares of the ChNKhP to the Chechen authorities. "
          отсюда:https://www.rbc.ru/economics/18/09/2018/5ba0f57c9a794769cac53d75?from=newsfeed
      3. victor50
        victor50 18 September 2018 14: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alekseev
        For example, Comrade Khrushchev N.S. "he said back in the UN that we would show Kuzkin's mother to them," and so on, comrade. Yeltsin, "drunk all the days," described himself and conducted the orchestra ...
        And there was also an "intelligent bastard", even worse, Comrade. Kozyrev, Shevardnadze, and the Stravropol combiner labeled bear, then ...
        Yes, under the leader of the peoples Stalin I.V. there were many military and civilian tricks, for the tricks of which our people paid millions of lives.
        And then Zolotov, Zolotov this.

        Can you talk about these? Do you know everything? Or is it possible because they are no longer in power? winked
      4. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 19 September 2018 05: 57
        +1
        The shortening of human resources occurs everywhere. I can see on the example of our heat station. There are peppers in the ranks and bosses, next to whom the director can feel his intellectual superiority even naked in the bathhouse. For example, the deputy chief of operation did not take exams for the first two years in the central commission for half a year .... now there’s nothing about it, but after each commission to prepare for the winter, many shop managers and deputies constantly have an unscheduled retake. ... they go to retake as a job ...
      5. nickname7
        nickname7 19 September 2018 19: 00
        +1
        Stravropolsky combiner labeled bear
        Yes, if you compare, by professional ability
        labeled western colleagues, then let's say Margaret Thatcher, will give a hundred points, in character, willpower and ability to get things done. They, those who reign, but do not rule, are remarkably able to hire talented and highly professional managers, or deputies who carry the job. Unfortunately, during the union, they did not learn how to grow a quality elite.
    6. margo2000
      margo2000 18 September 2018 16: 24
      +2
      I think their vision is still far
  2. NordUral
    NordUral 17 September 2018 17: 17
    +34
    This "power" can only be defended by either a narrow-minded person or one devoid of moral principles. There is no need to defend Putin, he is the same as his nominees. The country is finished with him and with them.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 17 September 2018 18: 26
      +21
      "And if today there are no radical changes in the personnel policy of the country's top officials, the Kremlin's negative selection can lead to the most irreversible consequences - for themselves ..." ... For themselves, everything will be great ... For the country, a possible catastrophe.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 17 September 2018 22: 32
        -2
        For them, too, everything can end sadly - there will always be those who want to seize their capital under the guise of.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 17 September 2018 18: 55
      +12
      Quote: NordUral
      This "power" can only be defended by either a narrow-minded person or one devoid of moral principles. There is no need to defend Putin, he is the same as his nominees. The country is finished with him and with them.

      So he is not the same, he is worse, because he created it and he is responsible for them ..
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 September 2018 19: 51
        +18
        Putin, as you know, is a Chekist to his fingertips. And like any special services employee, he hates betrayal.

        As you know, loyal Chekists would not allow the impostor drunk to give the green light to the overthrow of the Dzerzhinsky monument, and would never have praised the activity (did not give her a vague assessment) of a true hypocrite and a stupid liar who, by the hands of his accomplices, plundered all the achievements of previous generations of Soviet people.
        Perhaps Putin hates betrayal. But only that which is aimed at undermining his image. The image of an artist who talentedly plays the role of president. Just one small difference between life and performance. At the end of the performance, a talented artist is given applause and flowers, and what will grateful citizens give to a talented actor and hypocrite? Who "does not see" behind his subordinates any sins, except talents, and the people call them mediocre.
        I also hate betrayal and the promised salary increase for medical workers is only 105 days left ... Let's see if the security officer keeps his word or is this a pre-election talk ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 17 September 2018 20: 07
          +14
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I also hate betrayal and the promised salary increase for medical workers is only 105 days left ... Let's see if the security officer keeps his word or is this a pre-election talk ...

          Well, you don’t even have to watch it ... He has retired not once, publicly promised not to raise it, every year he promises not to raise gasoline, though now he does it more cunningly, first they raise the price, then he promises to freeze these prices .. he keeps that promise. ... after raising prices .. they haven’t raised prices for another half a year, promised 20 mil jobs .. he promised a lot of things .. He’s the guarantor of the constitution, he doesn’t guarantee it .. by constitution we are a social state .. but he’s talking about it I forgot.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 18 September 2018 03: 49
          +10
          I would give him a social pension and Matvienko as a cohabitant.
    3. Waldemar
      Waldemar 17 September 2018 20: 20
      0
      Form personnel for a more competent and nationally oriented government. Only without these your revolutions
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 September 2018 22: 02
        +15
        Quote: Valdemar
        Form personnel for a more competent and nationally oriented government. Only without these your revolutions

        only a few steps - lifting the moratorium on the UK. The ban on public service in the presence of real estate abroad with him or relatives. The death penalty for failure to fulfill a task of national importance. That is, in addition to personal devotion, there should also be responsibility. Redemption of large enterprises from oligarchs at the same prices at which they were purchased, Transfer and organization of large enterprises to state ownership. Transition to a planned economy. Barrage duties, quotas. The return of state ideology
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 18 September 2018 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: Valdemar
        Form personnel for a more competent and nationally oriented government. Only without these your revolutions

        Ie, you want to "eat fish and watch TV"? This does not happen, we do not live in a fairy tale.
    4. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 17 September 2018 21: 52
      +4
      Quote: NordUral
      With him and with them the end of the country.

      And also with us. we are accustomed to Turkey, Toyota, Thailand .... in order to return to real development it is necessary to infringe on ourselves, to abandon luxury. Can we? without ideology? I here with the priest in a private conversation mentioned the need for the development of industry - he agreed! but he refused to get off Toyota!
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 17 September 2018 22: 42
        +8
        In 2017, 98 thousand Toyota was sold in Russia. Their owners probably will not want to get off of them. But the remaining 146 million inhabitants of Russia are hardly interested in the particular opinion of the owners of expensive wheelbarrows.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 18 September 2018 10: 04
          +1
          Quite a few of these, as you put it, Toyota were assembled in Russia, which may be bad in the long term, but very good in the short to medium term. And if there is political will, opportunities can be found for the long term. For example, reverse engineering ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 18 September 2018 13: 56
            +6
            Quote: forty-eighth
            A rather large part of these, as you put it, "Toyota" was collected in Russia

            Toyota assembled in Russia is a car with minimal localization, today it is 11% of the cost of a car. The assembly is mainly large-site, which means that there is no demand for the design and engineering potential. In addition to knowledge of the device of a car, knowledge on the production of machine tools is needed. Eventually:
            1. suffers from lack of demand our education
            2. The promise of machine tool development disappears
            3. The beneficiary (beneficiary) is a foreign company - money is exported abroad
            4. Salaries workers spend on imported junk - again money abroad
            5. foreign capital uses subsidized electricity - also a loss.
            the question is what is reverse engineering ???
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 18 September 2018 13: 59
              +5
              Quote: aybolyt678
              the question is what is reverse engineering ???

              Chinese product design method.
              Disassemble, measure, draw, produce under your nameplate.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 September 2018 20: 42
                +1
                Quote: forty-eighth
                Chinese product design method.
                Disassemble, measure, draw, produce under your nameplate.

                here it is interesting, between draw and produce you did not forget anything? for example, to make a mold, to conduct a technological examination of materials, and some grades have become where to get ... ???? But then the Chinese think they started with copying? they began with the installation of American assembly lines, completely dependent on the supply of components and services from the United States. Buying any Chinese car or phone, we transfer 70% of the money to America. Same thing with Japan. Toyota and Nissan corporations work with American consumables on American equipment, they only have their own nameplates. A little different with Mitsubishi and Subaru but anyway, calculate the cost of a dental filling per gram, or an artificial lens (essentially a piece of silicone) an artificial knee joint (100 grams of titanium cost like 200 grams of gold !!), the processor in the computer is all American Technology, processors for Chinese phones, computers are made only in America.
                They are not afraid of Russia because we have nuclear weapons. And because we have experience in the social reconstruction of the world. There are still living people who remember and know how to build socialism. Given the mistakes of course.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 18 September 2018 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: Beringovsky
          In 2017, 98 thousand Toyota was sold in Russia

          100 thousand for a year and for 28 years ???
      2. Konatantin 1992
        Konatantin 1992 18 September 2018 11: 29
        +6
        What luxury? The fact that 10% percent of the population will refuse luxury to me at all. We have 90 percent of the population living in f * ck, wake up already. The rich will dump out of the country as soon as they smell fried.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 18 September 2018 19: 58
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: NordUral
        With him and with them the end of the country.

        And also with us. we are accustomed to Turkey, Toyota, Thailand .... in order to return to real development it is necessary to infringe on ourselves, to abandon luxury. Can we? without ideology? I here with the priest in a private conversation mentioned the need for the development of industry - he agreed! but he refused to get off Toyota!

        He is for others to get down from Toyota to develop industry - a typical patriot of our time!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 18 September 2018 20: 47
          0
          Quote: Doliva63
          He is for others to get down from Toyota to develop industry - a typical patriot of our time!

          here is a hole in the education of our clergy! have something to work on
  3. afrikanez
    afrikanez 17 September 2018 17: 19
    +3
    One thing drives people, vanity and money. At the expense of loyalty, it's generally stupid to speak.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 17 September 2018 22: 23
      +2
      Quote: afrikanez
      One thing drives people, vanity and money.

      and the desire to work and develop has already been canceled ??
  4. Opera
    Opera 17 September 2018 17: 27
    -18
    Do you know the meaning of this article? "We lost"! I will not touch General Zolotov, I have said enough about this and I will not change my opinion. Now it turns out that we lost MI6 and a sweet couple, etc. And before that, some sort of account between Navalny and Rosgvardia was seriously discussed here ... Well, I will say that MI6, at least now, is impossible to lose, because with the Skripals they have managed to such an extent that it is better to take a shower even after mentioning this title! Who is Navalny? But really who is this ?! My little nephew the other day, watching TV about how the "action artist-arsonist" was released in France, asked me a brilliant question - my uncle, and he arranges rallies against Putin in Russia, but how did he manage to hooligan in France ?! ?! I laughed heartily when I realized who he was talking about - this means that the mouth of a baby speaks the truth! What else did the author write there? Zolotov's guards harshly dispersed the schoolchildren of the loafers ?! Let's rejoice together for the author, he does not know what is tough! I sincerely wish him this in the future! Well, in the end, we did not lose and did not win what Igor Moiseev is talking about! Let me explain - it is impossible to lose against such people, but you have to win casually and without any chatter! It is shameful to be proud of such victories. These are everyday life.
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 17 September 2018 17: 46
      -22
      Quote: Oper
      What else did the author write there?

      Igor, I agree with you! I have already said that most of the texts are tendentious! This is true! To the delight of a handful of nationalists who are well settled on this forum.
      1. Opera
        Opera 17 September 2018 18: 01
        -4
        There are nationalists, but most of them are liberal Bolsheviks and a little bit of anarchists! But there are even real Russian patriots here and just decent people.
        1. onix757
          onix757 17 September 2018 18: 20
          +14
          It's funny to hear speeches about patriotism from the defenders of the home-grown bourgeoisie.
          1. Opera
            Opera 17 September 2018 18: 24
            0
            Naturally, we please homegrown!)) We do not need German, American and Japanese handouts for the revolution! As well as Jewish banking capital! We are not advocating the defeat of our country!
            1. onix757
              onix757 17 September 2018 18: 29
              +19
              It is homegrown only by source of enrichment and no more, but by all other accessories, there, in the hated west. This power has already lost the country.
              1. Opera
                Opera 17 September 2018 18: 44
                -7
                Well, dear comrade, why are you rubbing things like this here ?! This is for you at the rally. On the armored car and go! The meeting is only to be agreed, do not forget to pay for the rental of the armored car.
              2. Dashout
                Dashout 17 September 2018 18: 47
                -9
                Quote: onix757
                It is homegrown only by source of enrichment

                I went to your profile. I read your comments - in every comment weeping, hatred of power and bile ... Perhaps it is very difficult for you to live with this? Can't you see the achievements of Russia? Slowly, with difficulty, but there is! And on all fronts! What are you looking for wounds where to sprinkle with salt?
                Do you represent the Communist Party? But you have a lot of business and pragmatic offers! Why are you aloof?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 17 September 2018 22: 13
                  +15
                  Quote: Dashout
                  Can't you see the achievements of Russia?

                  In the thirties of the last century, industrialization was carried out. Resources found. Now I see Russia as an infrastructure for the sale of imported junk, and the state apparatus as an army, as a means for oil production in Syria. What other achievements? I will be grateful for the answer.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 September 2018 09: 08
                    -10
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    In the thirties of the last century, industrialization was carried out. Resources found.

                    Resources are barbarously irretrievably spent: the demographic catastrophe of the 30s is still being heard.
                    Industrialization went on in Russia even before the VOR and would have gone on without them. And the pace was such that the result would be the same by 1940, but without terrible losses
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Now I see Russia as an infrastructure for the sale of imported junk, and the state apparatus as an army, as a means for oil production in Syria. What other achievements? I will be grateful for the answer.

                    Now in Russia everyone can produce whatever he wants, if he has enough brains and strength.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 18 September 2018 14: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Resources are barbarously irretrievably spent: the demographic catastrophe of the 30s is still being heard.

                      the demographic catastrophe of the 90s reverberates much stronger. Now these are called economic and information wars. And who said that in the thirties there was no such planned war? in the twenty-sixth year, the peasants completely switched to a primitive economy: they fed on it, dressed in skins and self-woven fabric, plowed with a plow ... the industry was destroyed, the yield barely reached 9 centners per hectare at a gigantic cost of manual labor. You will plow this hectare with a plow !!! and at the same time read what the "Golden Blockade" is. Yes! famine was allowed in Ukraine and in the Volga region. but if there was a famine in Moscow, there would be no not only the USSR but also Russia.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 19 September 2018 08: 55
                        -3
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        the demographic catastrophe of the 90s is far more audible.

                        The extinction of the Russian people goes with 1964 years, which led to the 1992 Russian Cross These are the facts.
                        90s only overlapped ALREADY extinction.
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        Now it is called the economic and information wars. And who said that in the thirties there was no such planned war?

                        What is it"? Data? Facts are not war, it is useless to fight them.
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        in the twenty-sixth year, peasants completely switched to a primitive economy: they fed on it, dressed in hides and home-made fabric, plowed with plowed wood ... industry was destroyed, productivity barely reached 9 centners per hectare at a huge cost of manual labor.

                        You would have to learn the NUMBERS: you would have learned that by 1927, under the NEP, food consumption indicators almost caught up with 1913. But then, after collectivization and terrible battles and victories for bread and garlic, there was a wild failure on these numbers in 1937, and these only reached indicators .... by 1950 ... (See Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955 (secret))
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        You plow this hectare of plow !!

                        And find out HOW the plow migrants to Siberia for several years, raised the virgin land, almost equal in area to the virgin land plowed by Khrushchev by thousands of tractors.
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        and at the same time read what the "Golden Blockade" is

                        And you read how much hundreds tons he sold gold to the USSR in the "blockade" and put 500 factories of the USSR as "blockers". Only Germany gave a loan for 1,4 billion rubles. Such is the "blockade" and "fight" against strialization, yes!
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        famine was allowed in Ukraine and in the Volga region. but if hunger were in Moscow, then there would be not only the USSR but also Russia.

                        Admitted ?! The most terrible tragedy in the history of mankind on hunger is, in your opinion, a trifle?
                        By the way, in the USSR it did NOT officially exist. Everything was fine"!
                        There is a wonderful Russian proverb: "you can't, don't take it!"
                    2. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 18 September 2018 14: 25
                      +5
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Now in Russia everyone can produce whatever he wants, if he has enough brains and strength.

                      You are an incorrigible optimist! fellow and here I want to make maaalenky processors for phones. But not enough brain or strength. laughing I want to produce tomatoes year-round - calculations show that this is not competitive. smile Too cold in Western Siberia. I want to organize the production of stainless steel, I stumble on the lack of available deposits of manganese and chromium in Russia ... you can continue for a long time. but I believe that without a planned economy, and the state heavy industry of Russia can not survive
                    3. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 22 September 2018 23: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Industrialization went on in Russia even before the VOR and would have gone on without them. And the pace was such that the result would be the same by 1940, but without terrible losses

                      A revolution is inevitable ... when the upper and lower ... understand? Before the revolution, the Russian economy became dependent on Western investment. Someone else's money was making politics. Remember that the Second World War did not begin with the German attack on the USSR? It began with the Anglo-German conflict. Exactly the same conflict was before the First World War. Before entering the war of Russia, England fought with Germany. So, on the territory of Russia before the revolution, all parties to the conflict made money. Therefore, the First World War was inevitable.
        2. Dashout
          Dashout 17 September 2018 18: 50
          +5
          Quote: Oper
          But there are even real Russian patriots here and just decent people.

          Of course have! Otherwise, what would we do here ... The bulk of the normal and good people, cool experts .. but there are others!
          1. Opera
            Opera 17 September 2018 18: 55
            -2
            They do not want to see the positive! For them it’s a disaster! Look back at the story ... They still need the defeat of the country! They will try to extract political dividends God forbid if something catastrophe happens! Sprinkle salt and pick your wounds with your finger!
            1. onix757
              onix757 17 September 2018 19: 19
              +10
              They do not want to see positive

              It seems that the opponents of the government are to blame, in contrast to the system of liberal power, they only notice the collapse of industry and a noose around the neck of the people. More positive .. inflated.
              1. Opera
                Opera 17 September 2018 19: 26
                0
                With a stranglehold on your neck, you quite vigorously communicate! What kind of slogans do you constantly have ?! Do you even know how to talk normally?
                1. onix757
                  onix757 17 September 2018 19: 32
                  +12
                  Are we switching to personalities? This is the weakness of the Kremlin agitators. When there is nothing to say, the only answer you hear is "and you ..". How small it is, in fact, like all "achievements".
              2. Dashout
                Dashout 17 September 2018 19: 32
                -7
                Quote: onix757
                It seems that the opponents of the government are to blame, in contrast to the system of liberal power, they only notice the collapse of industry and a noose around the neck of the people. More positive .. inflated.

                Respected! Aren't you embarrassed that you are minus in the same company with Yabloko, Democrats and alien "heroes" from Ukraine? You, an honest person, are not "cramped" in this company? You understand that you are being led by the provocateurs who are asleep and see the Maidan here ...
                how many percent of votes they have:
                Democrats - 1%
                Yabloko - 2%
                + 2% of all sorts ...
                + newcomers from Ukraine - these 5% set such a squeal that your head is spinning ...
                My advice to you: do not read their posts and it will be easier on the soul!
                1. onix757
                  onix757 17 September 2018 19: 39
                  +13
                  ... Respected! Aren't you embarrassed that you are minus in the same company with Yabloko, Democrats and alien "heroes" from Ukraine? You, an honest person, are not "cramped" in this company

                  Dear I am embarrassed that you are climbing profiles and looking for something. What at work ?. That's why for some reason I don’t care what’s in your profile. Say thanks to the authorities and ep, that I managed to set everyone against myself from the Communists to extra-systemic liberals, as well as Russian and not quite Russian Donbass to the heap.
                  And yes, I don’t get carried away for minutes
                  1. Dashout
                    Dashout 17 September 2018 19: 50
                    -5
                    Quote: onix757
                    Dear I am embarrassed that you are climbing profiles and looking for something.

                    I read your profile and tried to understand - who do you represent? Do you think this is not legal? You are wrong! All your posts, like any other, are fixed ..
                    So you answer my question: who are you with? Who are you?
                    1. onix757
                      onix757 17 September 2018 20: 11
                      +6
                      Will you have enough bank details or passport details still to give? Do not puzzle over what you do not need to know about the interlocutors on the site. What are you funny ...)))
                  2. Dashout
                    Dashout 17 September 2018 19: 52
                    -6
                    Quote: onix757
                    not quite Russian Donbass to the heap.

                    I can see that "not quite Russian to the heap." Didn't representatives of this group blow up Zakharchenko?
                    1. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 17 September 2018 20: 21
                      +10
                      Quote: Dashout
                      I can see that "not quite Russian to the heap." Didn't representatives of this group blow up Zakharchenko?

                      “You have to eat!” (C) wassat
                    2. Pushkar
                      Pushkar 19 September 2018 09: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Dashout
                      Quote: onix757
                      not quite Russian Donbass to the heap.

                      I can see that "not quite Russian to the heap." Didn't representatives of this group blow up Zakharchenko?
                      Hurray, we have our own SMERSH! Well, hang on "representatives of this group"!
                  3. Revival
                    Revival 18 September 2018 00: 39
                    +7
                    Yes, he almost threatens to scribble a "note" in the absence of arguments in the FSB, although there is no reason. Verified.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 17 September 2018 19: 33
              +13
              Quote: Oper
              They do not want to see the positive!

              So you tell us about the positive then .. I asked you a question in the previous topic .. but you drank German beer and never answered it .. Tell me a positive!
              1. Dashout
                Dashout 17 September 2018 19: 37
                -9
                What can you talk about? you say - who are you? Prove that you are not a grantor Sorosovsky! While this is not there - what should I talk about with you? with the same success you can talk with Echo of Moscow, argue, read quotes ... wink I can not wish you good luck in your hard provocative work wink
                1. Dashout
                  Dashout 17 September 2018 19: 40
                  -6
                  On the topic of the article: I believe that Zolotov did not do the right thing, that he expressed his call for this striped moron through TV. It was necessary to let him go and somewhere in a quiet place to offer the same thing, but so that he could not refuse! Then it would be, in my opinion, right!
                  Navalny and his company are an active and aggressive combat group of the fifth column!
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 September 2018 19: 51
                  +12
                  Do you have two nicknames? According to the rules of the site, this is prohibited, did I contact the Opera or are you with him in the same room?
                  Quote: Dashout
                  Prove that you are not a grantor Sorosovsky!

                  wassat laughing You have a middle name, but it’s too early to call you by middle name wassat Prove to me better that the Kremlin is not paying you extra laughing
                  1. Dashout
                    Dashout 17 September 2018 20: 09
                    -10
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Do you have two nicknames? According to the rules of the site, this is prohibited, did I contact the Opera or are you with him in the same room?

                    wink open your eyes ... Opera and I are on the same forum, in the same thread wink
                    but about "prove" - ​​consider it happiness in general, what I answered you - amused ...
                    Is free!
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 17 September 2018 20: 18
                      +10
                      Quote: Dashout
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Do you have two nicknames? According to the rules of the site, this is prohibited, did I contact the Opera or are you with him in the same room?

                      wink open your eyes ... Opera and I are on the same forum, in the same thread wink
                      but about "prove" - ​​consider it happiness in general, what I answered you - amused ...
                      Is free!

                      laughing And why are all the United Russia people so rude? All on one face .. you are taught there, somewhere to communicate with people in this style?
                      1. Dashout
                        Dashout 17 September 2018 20: 32
                        -8
                        I had no relation to EP and I don't have! The whole attitude to a person is formed from the analysis of his posts - what attitude do you require for yourself if the whole leitmotif of your posts is provocative?
                        What earned ...
            3. Konatantin 1992
              Konatantin 1992 18 September 2018 11: 38
              +9
              I'm sorry, do you specifically cite Vladimir Vladimirovich? or unknowingly? when you say that they don’t want to see the positive. I live in a small provincial town (15 thousand people), and for some reason I don’t see the positive around. Can it be all right there in Muscovy? rich, wi-fi everywhere, expensive cars, big salaries, pensions, trips abroad? And here people really survive.
              1. sunzhenets
                sunzhenets 19 September 2018 10: 25
                +4
                Quote: Konatantin 1992
                Can it be all right there in Muscovy? rich, wi-fi everywhere, expensive cars, big salaries, pensions, trips abroad? And here people really survive.

                It is good that Russia has a visa-free regime with Moscow.
                I also live in a small town (population 35). I do not observe victories.
    2. Fox
      Fox 17 September 2018 22: 37
      +7
      something opera doesn’t smell here ... from the word at all. so rats are office. I read the comments, and I can’t understand, which department warmed it up?
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 September 2018 23: 08
      +5
      Quote: Oper
      what Igor Moiseev is talking about!

      Ha, Igor, are you not familiar with his opuses? This is the same one who "fits into all circles and circles" that wrote about cocaine from Argentina. laughing And from which everyone first heard the term "uncle sideburns". wassat
    4. Li17
      Li17 25 September 2018 07: 36
      0
      Interestingly, what are the disadvantages for? I would like to have a section on this issue, well, like I think that the author is lying ... But it turns out just because the statement hit the target against the authorities. And it turns out what we ourselves are, such is the power. Here I live in a village, I had to build neighbors for dirt and garbage, and as a rule, it is these individuals who are loudest accused of this! Terribly scandalous and rude .. Familiar to everyone. I reviewed "The Master and Margarita" yesterday, there Woland said well what just people are! So that's it. The essence of the article is cruel, we are losing in the personnel issue. The same is happening in the field. Previously, it also happened, the kids of party members, but still not so, there was a demand and at least in the lower administrative levels, control and personnel wars were a deterrent barrier for such individuals. Well, now? Wherever you look, Serdyukovism is the essence of personnel performances. Instead of the experienced, they are assigned their own legs, loud and necessary for connections. And everywhere, even seemingly and where it brings decay and danger (medicine, education, safety, production ...)! And even when I read it, I’ll be surprised that 99 percent of the people here are literate and experienced, they notice the main thing, while if it falls out of the “Russia forward” rule and a person notices that the forward movement is not in the right place and sideways, then it starts! In Ukraine, this is similar, and this is an inoculation for us (the words of the presenter on the news van during an interview with Medvedchuk), so even there it goes openly and loudly, but here, too, but quietly and hiding in the shadow of the king (maybe they changed it?)
      Well, and again, so why minus? Oper (Igor) is not right, who support him is also a threat?
  5. Conductor
    Conductor 17 September 2018 17: 28
    +13
    And what kind of gestures regarding Zolotov on the part of Putin is? or so, what to take with a fool.
  6. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 September 2018 17: 29
    0
    Ariman's arrow spares no one. But to reduce what is happening to Putin’s personal qualities is also wrong. The author thinks that the president puts on high posts those who sing praises to him. I’ll venture to suggest that the author of the article did not study at special colleges and did not go through the KGB school. A person who knows how to recruit agents, trained in this by the best methods in the world, will himself fall into a, to put it mildly, simple trap? Hehe ...
    The author should have noted that Mr. Zolotov is not a street appointee, but a general. It’s necessary to serve before the general for many years, which Zolotov did, and it’s unlikely that Putin assigned him the title. There is someone to appropriate them in addition to the president. Alas, Putin has nothing to do with it. This is the selection system in the whole state.
    The Soviet system was recognized as incorrect by the Soviet leaders. And they replaced her with another. The way they like it. Which suits them. People like Zolotov grow up in this system. It is unthinkable for these people at all that someone would object to them. They have a "level". At this very level, they are gods. Any objection that does not come "from the top" is for them a complete break from the template. The situation in which Zolotov cannot tear the objector "from the simple" to shreds immediately is completely force majeure for him.
    And he reacted as if once, when he was not a general at all, when he was still trying to penetrate the ranks of these administrative gods. That is, he proved himself in the most successful version, used the winning template, which lifted him up. See, what you need to be in order to become a general and a great boss in our country? Like? That's how...
    Putin made him boss. And could put another. The thing is that the other will be the same. Like dug up. Others do not survive there, among these ...
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 17 September 2018 18: 21
      +7
      , trained on this in the best methods in the world, he himself will fall into, to put it mildly, a simple trap
      what kind of methods are there, what kind of recruitment is there, the KGB-pear-bombers have gone west to the west, even more than these KGB-GRU have recruited every nation in social and capitalist countries
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 17 September 2018 20: 18
        -8
        Well, yes, it did. So what? What does this have to do with my arguments? Have you tried to learn to read? I advise. At the moment, the Chukchi is clearly not a reader, the Chukchi is only a writer ...
    2. True
      True 17 September 2018 18: 44
      +14
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Mr. Zolotov is not a street appointee, but a general. It’s necessary to serve before the general for many years, which Zolotov did, and it’s unlikely that Putin assigned him the title.

      Wow what a security officer, just look. You probably have permission to kill people with such and such a school? Well, tell us, the people who did not finish the KGB schools, in which troops did it reach the general? I look forward to hearing from such an educated ....
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 17 September 2018 20: 19
        -8
        But is it necessary to confuse cases and behave in this case? I look, the algorithms are progressing ...
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 17 September 2018 19: 01
      +16
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Alas, Putin has nothing to do with it.

      Putin, of course, nothing to do with ... he’s doing it with us .. nothing at all .. wassat Like, what’s bad, Putin has nothing to do with it .. but it’s very bad, and just as often, Putin has nothing to do with ..
      Quote: Mikhail3
      This is the selection system in the whole state.

      And what for 20 years it was not possible to change it?
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 17 September 2018 20: 28
        -5
        Maybe. Only here the blood must be shed in the whole lake, and the main issue has not been resolved. Namely - for what? Stalin called people to break out of the shackles of a dirty and despicable world, and led everyone into the future of mankind. We could not stand this way. They could not build what they dreamed of and what they believed in (and it was worth the dream and faith!)
        Now what to build? A well-fed feeding trough for everyone? Ingenious. And with what interest? Why the object shuvalovym and kudrin for the sake of US to tear? For himself, the feeding trough on those posts is not easier to build as an example. Kasparov, or something, to give? He asked. And what's the difference?
        Put you instead of Shuvalov? How long can you stand? Honestly, huh? Here it is ...
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 17 September 2018 23: 33
          +1
          It's not about Putin. Putin is a symbol, Putin is the embodiment of all he likes laughing
          The principle "the king is good - the boyars are bad", actively pushed from above (it is clear why) obscenely narrows the regime's field of legitimacy to one person, "irreplaceable and sinless." Here on it and beat from all calibers - why, I think it is clear.
    4. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 19 September 2018 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      I’ll venture to suggest that the author of the article did not study at special colleges and did not go through the KGB school. A person who knows how to recruit agents, trained in this by the best methods in the world, will himself fall into a, to put it mildly, simple trap? Hehe ...

      1. To learn does not mean to learn, to learn - this is not yet able to.
      2. Intelligence and personnel work are still completely different things.
      3. The head club, if it was engaged in operational work, it was 30 years ago.
      4. People tend to exaggerate the operational talents of the "faces".
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 17 September 2018 17: 42
    -34
    Quote: I. Moiseev
    The fact that Zolotov’s speech is obvious stupidity

    Stupidity is shown by those who did not understand what he said. Those who need it have heard it, but they do not serve the deaf twice a day.

    It was worth the Zolotoryovs to speak out about the fact that he was for Putin, and then the liberals of all stripes attacked him - that means he was a good man and who needs it - he understood what he said.
    1. Giants
      Giants 17 September 2018 20: 09
      +22
      Quote: Boris55
      It was worth Zolotoryov speak out about what he is for Putin

      Fight, well, chesslovo, do not expose yourself as a dreary woodpecker! There is no Zolotarev, there is Zolotov! Putin was carrying Sobchak’s briefcase, Zolotov - Sobchachka’s briefcase. Colleagues, so to speak.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 September 2018 20: 24
        +13
        Quote: Giants
        Fight, well, chesslovo, do not expose yourself as a dreary woodpecker!
        Looks like brains are already boiling, unsubscribe in all topics laughing You need a creative vacation, and even so, not far from a fever
      2. victor50
        victor50 18 September 2018 14: 53
        +5
        Quote: Giants
        Fight, well, chesslovo, do not expose yourself as a dreary woodpecker! There is no Zolotarev, there is Zolotov! Putin was carrying Sobchak’s briefcase, Zolotov - Sobchachka’s briefcase. Colleagues, so to speak.

        And here he replaced Opera with Igor Savelich, otherwise they would have dumped somewhere ... for a while. And someone has to do their job! request
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 19 September 2018 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      It was worth the Zolotoryovs to speak out about the fact that he was for Putin, and then the liberals of all stripes attacked him - that means he was a good man and who needs it - he understood what he said.

      The argument is powerful. Since Putin means good man. If they scold a good person, it means liberals, bad people.
      I will bring discord into your harmonious picture of the world order:
      - Putin has repeatedly said that he is a liberal. He is bad?
      - The communists criticize Putin. Are they liberals?
      - Kadyrov participated in the 1st Chechen on the side of the militants. He is for Putin. He has a golden gun, a personal zoo and an exclusive Bugatti Veyron for $ 1,5 million. Is he good and has it all earned?
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  9. faiver
    faiver 17 September 2018 17: 59
    +11
    in principle, the author is largely right .. hi
  10. Pivasik
    Pivasik 17 September 2018 18: 00
    -17
    The army general clearly, bluntly said that he knows how to cook chops ... and pointed out who. Funny, stupid ... but not for the one from which the cutlet will be made. fool recourse
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 September 2018 18: 37
      +4
      Quote: Pivasik
      The army general clearly, bluntly said that he knows how to cook chops.

      It’s not the business of the general to sink to the level of a cook! laughing
  11. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 17 September 2018 18: 02
    +21
    If, having come to power, the President, the governor or the mayor wants to develop his territory and raise the standard of living of the people, then he will recruit professionals in his team, it does not matter whether he knows or not. If he comes to steal, his team will consist of classmates, classmates, friends from his former work, and all those who you can personally trust, not afraid that they will hand him over to someone for embezzlement. That’s the whole logic.
  12. tegezen
    tegezen 17 September 2018 18: 14
    -24
    The attack on Rosguard is in preparation. The general is not a chrysostom politician, and so what, he has a different function. He is Russian. This is his fault for the author of the article. They need a Jew or a general-bring-give. Naaz on Zolotov figure that he was in his place.
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 17 September 2018 18: 47
      +5
      For me in this story, the only question is who convinced Zolotov
      put your signature and why.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 17 September 2018 20: 27
      +16
      Quote: tegezen
      He is Russian. This is his fault for the author of the article. They need a Jew or a general-bring-give.
      Rokhlin, for example, was a Jew, which did not prevent him from being a real Russian general and patriot, and the Russian Zolotov was not standing next to him
    3. alexsipin
      alexsipin 17 September 2018 20: 39
      +7
      Quote: tegezen
      they need a jewish

      Why the fig?
    4. Li17
      Li17 25 September 2018 11: 27
      0
      Well you blew! How is it that he’ll come to Ivan the Fool in order to blurt out such a thing?
      Quote: tegezen
      The attack on Rosguard is in preparation. The general is not a chrysostom politician, and so what, he has a different function. He is Russian. This is his fault for the author of the article. They need a Jew or a general-bring-give. Naaz on Zolotov figure that he was in his place.

      We are strange people, if a person exposed his stupidity, you are ours. But if he also got drunk, then this is finally yours on the board! And if something is wrong, then poor Moishe is to blame!
  13. kakvastam
    kakvastam 17 September 2018 18: 26
    -15
    at the very top of the Russian political Olympus
    At the very top, say?
    These bloopers undermine the credibility of the text - if the author is unable to cope with the keyboard, then what can we say about the analysis of the material?
    1. True
      True 17 September 2018 18: 50
      +7
      Quote: kakvastam
      if the author is unable to cope with the keyboard, then what can we say about the analysis of the material?

      And this is said by a person who could not make himself an avatar?
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 17 September 2018 21: 06
        +2
        Quote: True
        And this is said by a person who could not make himself an avatar?

        I am embarrassed to ask - why do I need an avatar?
        Am I in a kindergarten to hang pictures on myself? Tea, has long learned to write.

        And the author is obliged to read his text before publication, at least out of respect for the readers.
  14. nekromonger
    nekromonger 17 September 2018 19: 06
    +11
    And if we add to this just caste nepotism in the regions, then with such a guard the country may begin to crumble like a house of cards.
  15. lucul
    lucul 17 September 2018 19: 09
    -13
    Each time, coming here to VO, I am more and more convinced that this site is confidently moving in the direction of imitation of Echo of Moscow.
    Soon it will not be distinguished, judging by the dynamics of the articles.
    1. nekromonger
      nekromonger 17 September 2018 23: 12
      +12
      it just becomes obvious to everyone that we are going the wrong way.
  16. lucul
    lucul 17 September 2018 19: 13
    -3
    Quote: tegezen
    He’s Russian is his fault for the author of the article, they need a Jew,

    They need the entire vertical so that they can rob, as in the 90s - without hesitation. Just - another sleeping agent woke up in VO.
  17. Waldemar
    Waldemar 17 September 2018 20: 13
    -11
    He is a military man. For many, the cap squeezed their heads for too long. I don't mind if they put on a show with the bulk of breaking a folding chair on the head and jumping from the ring fence like a hulk hogan. There will be a noble fun for the people as the General of the Aglitsky spyena overcame with his bare hands. After pouring tar over, dump in feathers. And that's all brilliant green. By the way, the "investigation" of bulk - nonsense 99 percent I checked tsiferki. Built on the usual demagogic conviction of people without critical thinking. manipulates the prices with hands makes passes. Alan chumak natural
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 18 September 2018 20: 10
      +4
      Quote: Valdemar
      He is a military man. For many, the cap squeezed their heads for too long. I don't mind if they put on a show with the bulk of breaking a folding chair on the head and jumping from the ring fence like a hulk hogan. There will be a noble fun for the people as the General of the Aglitsky spyena overcame with his bare hands. After pouring tar over, dump in feathers. And that's all brilliant green. By the way, the "investigation" of bulk - nonsense 99 percent I checked tsiferki. Built on the usual demagogic conviction of people without critical thinking. manipulates the prices with hands makes passes. Alan chumak natural

      Military? What kind of troops did he serve in?
  18. Blue fox
    Blue fox 17 September 2018 21: 04
    +6
    Quote: Logall

    I don’t give a damn about it; it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ...

    This is superfluous, colleague, for the most part we are mature men. Swam-know laughing
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 18 September 2018 20: 16
      +2
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Quote: Logall

      I don’t give a damn about it; it’s more interesting for what merit they become advisers to ministers ...

      This is superfluous, colleague, for the most part we are mature men. Swam-know laughing

      Yeah, but "swam" at their own expense. And Shoigu - for a stranger. Including mine. Either let him return the money, or Kitaeva will share
  19. Conductor
    Conductor 17 September 2018 21: 04
    +6
    Let banned, Well, Russia chose a shit.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 September 2018 09: 16
      -3
      Quote: Conductor
      Let banned, Well and shit chose Russia itself.

      for swearing and insulting people's choice Russia and not so supposed ..
      1. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 19 September 2018 11: 05
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        for swearing and insulting the choice of the people of Russia and not so supposed ..

        And what should be done if the choice of the people of Russia offends the people of Russia?
  20. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 September 2018 21: 10
    -2
    Oh, I feel that soon another demagogue will be plopped on some bridge and made of it another icon of democracy. Perhaps it would be safer to be in a cell now if it was a failure.
  21. Digital error
    Digital error 17 September 2018 21: 35
    -2
    The bench is getting smaller
    - we do not need such in stock for nothing. All of their breakthroughs are predictable - and that's good news. The second good news is that time is working against the gerontocrats. Then the spiral of history will inevitably make another round so that our children, who were not poisoned by navalnings, lead the country to a new stage of development.
  22. PavelT
    PavelT 17 September 2018 22: 36
    +1
    Error in the text:
    ridiculed a sweet couple of Petrov - Bosharov
    - Boshirov is his last name!
    Petrov and Boshirov - it looks like the names of this "sweet couple" we will not soon forget.
  23. DPN
    DPN 17 September 2018 22: 47
    0
    Life is such that you could still offer it.
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2018 22: 53
    +12
    Putin, as you know, is a Chekist to his fingertips.
    Firstly, if he had been such, he would not have escaped from Kontoriv to Sobchak during the difficult period for her, and secondly, when he became a Guarantor for some reason F.E. Dzerzhinsky never returned to the square named after him! Therefore, with all due respect to the author, he here, to put it mildly, got excited! hi
  25. Val_y
    Val_y 17 September 2018 22: 56
    -12
    The article is so-so, but I was horrified at the comments! The people, in VO are now only all-propellers and chrestoprodavsami? What do you (all-propellers and baptists) need here! Hang out in the rain and censor, or is it too scum? Then what have you forgotten, but the admins of what, it's provocateurs! Why rock the situation? As for the Golden, the military are the military, in any country! How joking you are! If you don’t know, then there’s nothing to talk about, but you still have to go to the censor, and it’s better for everyone to go to the city of Kuev, Vinitsa or Kirovograd (tapericha krapivnitsky) in there and they don’t like Putin, and they hate everything connected with the Kremlin there they will be happy, but not for long, the descendants will still be Putin’s agents and will be surrendered to the SBU, or in general they will beat c14 with sticks! (ask babchenko or pashinitis)
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 18 September 2018 02: 57
      +9
      To be a legal state with a decent standard of living, you need to have free media, an independent court and a civil, indifferent society. The fact that the people are so responsive to corruption and the idiocy of the authorities suggests that not everything is gone. And with your Maidan do not compare us. We do not seize military units and do not burn police with gasoline. We act by legal methods.
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 19 September 2018 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Val_Y
      -12
      The article is so-so, but I was horrified at the comments! The people, in VO are now only all-propellers and chrestoprodavsami?

      1. We are here, insider knows better. It is incorrect to call all sorts of bad words of people whose political views do not coincide with yours, from abroad.
      2. Once you use religious terminology (Christ-sellers), use it without grammatical errors (correctly, Christ-sellers). The number of errors and the style of presentation in the comments automatically invalidates your opinion.
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2018 23: 04
    +4
    Quote: Oper
    They do not want to see the positive! For them it’s a disaster! Look back at the story ... They still need the defeat of the country! They will try to extract political dividends God forbid if something catastrophe happens! Sprinkle salt and pick your wounds with your finger!

    Big request, about the "positive" in more detail! wassat
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2018 00: 20
    +4
    Quote: Giants
    Quote: Boris55
    It was worth Zolotoryov speak out about what he is for Putin

    Fight, well, chesslovo, do not expose yourself as a dreary woodpecker! There is no Zolotarev, there is Zolotov! Putin was carrying Sobchak’s briefcase, Zolotov - Sobchachka’s briefcase. Colleagues, so to speak.

    lol good good good hi
  28. Compasure
    Compasure 18 September 2018 00: 29
    -2
    and with that general of the GRU (or rather, GU GSh) who ridiculed a sweet couple of Petrov-Bosharov, losing in the end an intellectual battle with specialists from MI-6 ...

    The author was really amused, especially about the "intellectual battle", Zolotov is resting))
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  30. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 18 September 2018 03: 30
    +4
    If so, then this means: the circle of support for power is narrow, it is terribly far from the people.
  31. Catfish
    Catfish 18 September 2018 03: 54
    +5
    Quote: Val_Y
    If you don’t know, then there’s nothing to talk about, but you still have to go to the censor, and it’s better for everyone to go to the city of Kuev, Vinitsa or Kirovograd (tapericha krapivnitsky) in there and they don’t like Putin, and they hate everything connected with the Kremlin, there they will be happy, but not for long, the descendants will still be Putin’s agents and surrender to the SBU, or they will beat c14 with sticks in general! (ask babchenko or pashinitis)


    Uh, damn it, did you understand what you wrote? Even a plain answer is impossible to this nonsense. You, my friend, sit, let’s do this - cutlets separately, flies separately. I mean, if you consume vodka, then don’t sit down at the clave.
    By the way, in order to find out the opinion of people about Putin, it is not at all necessary to go to Vinnitsa (with two "H"), and with the Kremlin, from the moment of its construction, a lot of things were connected and there is no need to hate this historical monument. bully

    Have a snack !!! drinks
  32. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 18 September 2018 04: 17
    +1
    Navralny is a project of the Kremlin, a pseudo-oppositionist, pop Gapon of our time. Interest in him began to weaken after the election and the owners decided to warm him up in this way. Zolotov was no where to go, the order is the order. If you don’t do it, they will be weaned from the trough and expelled from the warm barn in the cold to the pasture. And he has children, grandchildren. And everyone wants to relieve the need on gold toilets.
  33. Loess
    Loess 18 September 2018 09: 16
    +1
    So what did Navalny answer Zolotov?
  34. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 18 September 2018 09: 43
    +3
    I am not a fan of Novalny and this whole Komarilla of Oppositionists. But what the Kremlin does in the person of Comrade I still don't like Zolotov !!! They challenge the Dertanyans to a duel, they’ve sucked, it’s time to imprison this Navalny and all the Gudkovs there, and they have done to the neher article to play Democracy! They themselves lit up all this rabble Dom2, echo matzah, the rain channel, and now they still can’t cope with them! Gouging ..
  35. Catfish
    Catfish 18 September 2018 12: 40
    +3
    I will take the liberty to remind all colleagues of the old Russian proverb. "All that glitters is not gold" And in the splendor of tinsel of the ceremonial general uniforms - even more so!
    1. UltraRed
      UltraRed 18 September 2018 14: 21
      +2
      Yes, something is not very clear, for which pennies are paid to Khinstein .......
      Well, a person who self-critically positions himself (albeit in a sauna), like "well, I'm stupid, but I won't sell the president" - it's not kosher at all to speak in public ... :)
      If you recall the story - Dzhunkovsky was smart, Protopopov - a loyal moron ...... Did it make a big difference?
      ".... if the upper classes cannot ...." - but a bell .........
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 19 September 2018 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Sea Cat (Constantine) Yesterday, 12:40
      +3
      I will take the liberty of reminding all colleagues of the old Russian proverb. "All that glitters is not gold" And in the glitter of the tinsel of the ceremonial general's uniforms - even more so!

      Not all gold is Zolotov.
  36. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 18 September 2018 13: 55
    +3
    "Star idiots, breaking through to posts and chairs, leave a scorched field around them, burning with a hot iron any clever nerds and taking in deputies and subordinates even more intellectually limited, but already devoted to them blockheads. The bench of spare is getting smaller. -Botanists find places in it less and less "- as they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye to the very point! There is a proverb - stupid but devoted, clever but a stranger, every boss selects his own kind; forgotten principle of Stalinist times; cadres decide everything in a good way of the word
  37. akunin
    akunin 18 September 2018 14: 52
    +2
    Putin is known to be a security officer to the tips of his fingers. And like any cadre of special services, he hates betrayal. The other side of this quality medal is an exaggerated assessment of personal loyalty. It does not matter whether a person is smart or not, highly motivated or immoral in principle - the main thing is not to betray. To be committed to life.
    if you want devotion - get a dog.
  38. Catfish
    Catfish 18 September 2018 16: 23
    +2
    Quote: akunin
    if you want devotion - get a dog.


    What is Putin’s dog name?
  39. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 18 September 2018 17: 43
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    "And if today there are no radical changes in the personnel policy of the country's top officials, the Kremlin's negative selection can lead to the most irreversible consequences - for themselves ..." ... For themselves, everything will be great ... For the country, a possible catastrophe.

    The saddest thing is that in state corporations this principle of personnel selection is present and working!
  40. Pushkar
    Pushkar 18 September 2018 21: 30
    0
    Of course, our leader (king) is good, this is his environment (the boyars) are bad, let him down.
  41. Troubadour
    Troubadour 19 September 2018 01: 18
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    would not allow the impostor drunk to give the go-ahead for the overthrow of the monument to Dzerzhinsky
    and who was he at that moment? no one!
    like small children. in the course and really believe that he alone steers.
  42. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 19 September 2018 12: 49
    +1
    Great article! The author clearly, loudly and openly formulated the personnel policy of the president. Putin is not eternal, and soon someone must replace him. I would really not like to see in its place bulk, humpback, Yeltsin and sobchakov. I'm afraid that Russia will not survive another, like Yeltsin. The archie theme is important and the author initiated it in time.
  43. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 19 September 2018 21: 22
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    it is more interesting for what merits they become advisers to ministers ... For a figure or person?

    For primary sexual characteristics.
  44. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 22 September 2018 22: 35
    0
    Olgovich,
    something you very boldly argue ... let's see how you will shoot So:
    in 1927 as in 1913 the level of consumption .... by whom ?? Actually, when sages refer to 1913, they usually quote figures for the sale of grain abroad. At the same time, they forget to give figures for the purchase of flour! there was not enough flour-grinding production in Russia. Industrial production was largely investment. That is, by rough processing of raw materials, this production was oriented abroad. The most interesting thing is that the guns made in Russia and the shells were of different calibers, we made shells for the British at our prices, and they made them for us at their prices, more expensive. All this played a cruel joke in 1914, when our artillery was entirely dependent on "allied supplies"
    and then you yourself read the secret report of the CSB ??? here are the data:
    1913 1928 1937 1940 1950 1954
    Bread Products
    (bread translated into flour,
    flour, groats,
    pasta) 200 214 192 195 172 180

    potatoes 75 130 151 118 241 153

    vegetables and melons 40 72 78 67 51 66

    meat and lard (with boiled meat) 27 32 18 24 26 32

    fish and fish products 6,7 3,5 5,6 5,1 7,0 8,9

    Milk
    and dairy products in milk 154 182 138 143 172 175

    eggs - pieces 48 60 43 54 60 84

    vegetable oil - 2,6 2,0 2,3 2,7 4,8

    sugar 8,1 7,5 13,8 8,7 11,6 20,
    apparently a little less flour but more useful !!!!! eggs twice, sugar two and a half times more ... READ OUT!
    And find out HOW the plow migrants to Siberia for several years, raised the virgin land, almost equal in area to the virgin land plowed by Khrushchev by thousands of tractors.
    - I myself live in agriculture in Siberia. You should talk to the agronomist.
    And you read how many hundreds of tons of gold the USSR sold in the "blockade" and how "blockers" put 500 factories in the USSR. Only Germany gave a loan for 1,4 billion rubles. Such is the "blockade" and "fight" against striation, yes!

    500 factories is not enough, is it probably a year? Over several hundred tons of gold. Yes, we lost more gold in the nineties !!! Also, do you mean that loan for the friendship of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? when did Germany give us Technologies for the "Fish Bubble"? I think it's a very good deal!
    The most terrible tragedy in the history of mankind on hunger is, in your opinion, a trifle?
    By the way, in the USSR it did NOT officially exist. Everything was fine"!
    There is a wonderful Russian proverb: "you can't, don't take it!"

    - What is the difference between hunger in China during the Japanese occupation? there died more. In addition, the more people on earth, the more numbers. Better as a percentage of all MANKIND !!! it is more objective.
    All your arguments are defective. There is no solid base. Stretched numbers without the spirit of the times, no ideas. How old are you????