First in its class. In South Korea, launched a submarine project KSS-3

In South Korea, the first submarine with a displacement of more than 3 thousand tons was launched. The ceremony took place at the Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) shipyard, Warspot reports with reference to the navaltoday.com portal.

The first submarine of the KSS-3 project, called Dosan Ahn Chang-ho (SS-083), was laid down at the shipyard in May 2016, and according to plans it will be transferred to the Navy of South Korea in 2020.

Submarines project KSS-3 will be the largest in the composition of the South Korean Navy. The length of the first batch of submarines will be 83,5 m, maximum width - 7,7 m, height - 14,7 m, draft - 7,62 m, underwater displacement - 3705 t (surface 3358 t), crew - 50 people. The speed of 20 nodes in the submerged position, the cruising range will be 10 thousand nautical miles. The submarine is armed with a six-cell vertical launcher with Cheon Ryong cruise missiles (1500 km launch range), as well as torpedoes.

As part of the project, it is planned to build nine submarines that will be released in three batches with modifications to each of the subsequent ones. It is planned that all submarines will be part of fleet to 2029 year.

Comments

[Jolly oldster sailor]

The project plans to build nine submarines,
That's where people get money, that's enough ... Silently envy.

[Waldemar]

We are building pl, which are larger and more serious and much more expensive. What should I be jealous of do not explain? Because they are under the wing of the United States, which allows some to conduct a profitable business for export, while others block the air and rob? I know the secret of the economic "miracle" of the East.

[Setrac]

Quote: Valdemar

What should I be jealous of do not explain? Because they are under the wing of the United States, which allows some to conduct a profitable business for export, while others block the air and rob? I know the secret of the economic "miracle" of the East.

The "secret" is the same for South Korea and Japan and Germany - to lie under the USA and spread your legs.

[Waldemar]

I’m talking about that. Lie down with Canzi under the United States and you can not only trade in oil or something else there. And Russia, which sells half of the world televisions, cars, laptops and other, they do not need. SUCH Russia will be an unattainable competitor to them, with whom it will be possible only from the position of the person asking to speak.

[My doctor]

Quote: Valdemar

And Russia, which sells half of the world televisions, cars, laptops and other, they do not need.

Waldemar about which laptops, televisions and cars in question? Are you mocking site visitors? Just in the production of these goods, Russia was not only not a leader, but also did not reach the middle countries.

[Setrac]

Quote: MyVrach

Waldemar about which laptops, televisions and cars in question? Are you mocking site visitors?

You are simply not up to date with historical events.

Quote: MyVrach

Just in the production of these goods, Russia was not only not a leader, but also did not reach the middle countries.

It was and reached, the TV was invented in Russia.
"Golden billion" having a sales market ten times more overtakes us in terms of production indicators but ... until the Russian comes up with - the German and the Japanese will not produce. This is the meaning of all these sanctions events - to prevent Russia from developing all this at home.

[My doctor]

Quote: Setrac

It was and reached, the TV was invented in Russia.
"Golden billion" having a sales market ten times more overtakes us in terms of production indicators but ... until the Russian comes up with - the German and the Japanese will not produce.

So do Russian people have creative natures and German and Japanese manufacturers?

[Setrac]

Quote: MyVrach

So do Russian people have creative natures and German and Japanese manufacturers?

This means that Russians have developed ingenuity to survive in extreme climatic conditions.

[vadsonen]

The "secret" is the same for South Korea and Japan and Germany - to lie under the USA and spread your legs.

Do you yourself hear that nonsense that you wrote?

[loft79]

Quote: Valdemar

We are building pl, which are bigger and more serious and much more expensive. What should I envy do not explain?

Well, at least an air-independent SU. About "bigger and more serious" with what do you compare? with the APLmi strange, we have a proportionate diesel. And remember about the ordeal with the pl "Lada"

[hrych]

Quote: loft79

And remember about the ordeal with the pl "Lada"

And remember about the compact YaSU, which fits in the Petrel and Poseidon and says, it nourishes Peresvet. The best VNEU is YaSU. And since it is compact and produces decent power, no cryobylons with a fuel supply are absolutely required, both for Stirling and for reforming. Lada waited for a compact nuclear warhead, moreover, unconscious experts do not exclude the appearance of this nuclear warhead at Halibut for recharging, in the common people called Varshavyanka.

[loft79]

Well then everything is ok, we are waiting for a compact nuclear power plant, we will put it on all diesel engines and we will light it when the battery sits down

[hrych]

So, if so, then you don’t need to light it, the batteries need no longer, maybe the diesel engine is an extra element, to dismantle this anachronism and load torpedoes, min and more cruise missiles, and provisions for the personnel for half a year, and red veneer By the way, the French nuclear submarines of our diesel halibut are even smaller, the same in length, but by two and a half meters already nothing ...

[hrych]

By the way, at the expense of recharging, there was such an autonomous nuclear power plant VAU-6 (auxiliary nuclear power plant), which clung to the external halibut housing, while the external housing remained without alterations, that is, the VAU-6 could be docked with any diesel engine. The autonomy of the boat increased 3-4 times. Then the Union collapsed and this topic stalled

[sib.ataman]

We have not only collapsed the Union! Collapsed everything that could only collapse! Thanks to the bald goat promoting pizza! By the way, about dislike, he includes a fool! He understands everything perfectly, and therefore hides in the Alps as a traitor who escaped after treason! In Russia, he would have been banged for a long time, in the sense, helped to find peace of mind!

[hrych]

Quote: sib.ataman

Collapsed everything that could only collapse!

The industry of the RSFSR, the resources of the RSFSR, both raw materials and human, worked for the entire USSR, the CMEA countries, the troglodytes of Latin America, Indochina and Africa. Now, with the seeming ruin of industry, the Russian Federation has completely remained a self-sufficient, powerful industrial power, one of the leaders in the reactive and nuclear industries. Because ballast was dropped, partially on the enemy's neck. Therefore, not everything is so bad. WAU-6 was tested on a Project 651 boat, and the device was mounted in the boat's hull, but naturally it was meant to put this Dollezhal's egg on the Halibut boat hull. Nowadays, Kiriyenko's compact YSU will certainly be mounted in new boats without damaging the usable area, it can be mounted on the hull of the built ones, the sea options and problems with the VAU-6 are now easily solved, and Halibuts, besides strategic KR, become strategic nuclear submarines during the threatened period at least least. Prospects are wonderful, also interesting information is leaking out about "Sarov", there is also something connected with YSU besides the carriage of Poseidon and Co..

[Megatron]

Nowhere is he hiding, travels around Moscow with a flasher and receives a super-pension. And they patronize him regularly, that the drunk, that the current one, made such a fit for them all!

[Kuroneko]

Quote: hrych

Moreover, irresponsible experts do not exclude the appearance of this YaSU at Halibut for recharging, in the common people called Varshavyanka.

Well, actually Varshavyanka is an improved, modified Halibut, so the common people have nothing to do with it.

[hrych]

No where. The name of the boat Halibut is. Varshavyanka is its unofficial name, since it was originally intended to equip the Navy with the Warsaw Pact countries.

[Kuroneko]

That's right, meow. = 3

[hrych]

Quote: Kuroneko

That's right, meow. = 3

No, Varshavyanka: the official export name of Halibut became the unofficial name of the entire project, including domestic ones, and even those Halibuts that were made before 877ECM / 636 became Varshavyanka. It is clear that stupid journalists, ala Prokopenko and Co. posted this blizzard.

[hrych]

For God's sake, if you like, use this filthy name, but you can safely call Varshavyanka only Chinese, and then these 636 are made according to the project, or rather identical to the 877EKM, which, both in terms of the project and the name, is Halibut, only its export modification , and export name. But the following, domestic modifications of Halibut, i.e. export name. The analogy with Onyx is an export Yakhont and a joint Bramos, but we will not call subsequent modifications of our Onyx with export nicknames. Also, Caliber will not be called Club - an export name. Now there are a lot of modifications of Onyx and Caliber, but no one is going to call them export nicknames, you all domestic modifications of Halibut declared export Warsaw. A disgrace.

[hrych]

If Uncle Vasya the diesel operator called Varshavyanka (affectionately) then yes, the ultimate truth. About the steep, affectionate Moremans smiled, apparently the naval route to MMA. He himself confirmed that this is a slang name for gentle and affectionate sailors for harsh Halibuts. In short, repaint everything pink. This, as the common people called the BM-13 Katyusha, this anachronism also touched the BM-21, although its official name already existed and was called severely "Grad".

[Boa kaa]

Quote: hrych

Lada waited for a compact nuclear warhead, moreover, unconscious experts do not exclude the appearance of this nuclear warhead at Halibut for recharging,

Grunt! Sorry, old man, but I didn’t hear something about compact YaSu for 677. Maybe I missed something, if there is news - throw it, I will be grateful.
Sincerely, Boa.

[hrych]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Sorry, old man, but I didn’t hear something about compact YaSU for 677

Hello Old Serpent!
In order not to violate the rules of the site, I will not give you a link. Fuck it in the search engine KTP-7I "Phoenix" and you will be overwhelmed
Here is a quote that you can easily find:

According to media reports, as such, a reactor designed by Design Bureau named after Afrikantov in 2005 (manufactured in 2006). Such a reactor can be installed on already existing diesel submarines pr.677 "Lada" in the available free compartment on them. For the same purpose, a new nuclear reactor can be installed at the diesel-electric submarine pr.20120, a report about which was published in February 2007 (Nizhny Novgorod Business Newspaper), dedicated to the anniversary of I. Afrikantov. The article talked about the creation in 2006 of a project for a new nuclear submarine Kalitka with a fundamentally new steam generating installation (PPU) of the KTP-7I Phoenix type. According to experts, with the positive results of testing a new power plant, which can be considered as an alternative to installations on fuel cells of the Crystal type, a decision can be made to place it on a diesel submarine pr.677 Lada in the available free compartment.

Project 20120 is the very Sarov, and it is that the carrier of Poseidon and about whom Borisov indirectly blabbed, that there really is YaSU in addition to diesel technology Okay, out of respect in PM, I threw the address

[Zaurbek]

NPP imposes restrictions on service and export ....

[hrych]

Quote: Zaurbek

NPP imposes restrictions on service and export ....

Of course. However, the transformation of diesel engines into strategists, both in terms of performance and armament (strategic Caliber) prevails over export and service problems. By the way, new reactors are designed for one-time fuel loading and are ready to serve 30 years without preload, i.e. for the entire service life of the submarine, diesel consumption is also reduced by several times.

[vadim dok]

They print money themselves, just like the Americans.

[hamster1979]

South Korea is currently the most technologically advanced country in the world. So many resources for education, scientific development and technological progress are not invested in any country in the world. The leading corporations in South Korea spend a significant part of their income on the development of new technologies, scientific progress - and not on gold toilets, yachts, fur stores, kickbacks, Courchevel, etc. The United States prints money, Putya pumps oil and gas (which is essentially the same as printing money), South Korea builds chip and processor factories, the most high-tech medical robotic centers (for example, 70% of oncology operations are fully automated), the most advanced in the world shipyard, etc. etc. So everything is not as simple as you think.

[aiden]

And their chips are printed in Taiwan at tsmc factory

[vadsonen]

Semiconductor companies can be divided into those that have their own factories, and those that do not. Most do not. But not having one's own factory is by no means an understatement, for the development of the world circuit and its manufacture are very different fields of knowledge.
Actually, there are both companies in South Korea.

Do not forget about the finished custom products - from computers to phones. To industrial and medical robots. To the best cars.
So in vain you slander the Koreans. In any case, Russia is technologically advanced to Korea — like walking to the moon.

[sib.ataman]

By the way! With this we congratulate Yu.K.! Because all these microcircuit factories are already yesterday! In Russia, new technologies of light electronics have long been created, operating on other principles, with a performance several times higher than modern microelectronics! If it were not for our rulers, "advanced" under the ass of the Saxons, who invest their money only in the development of the pipe, the Russian Federation would already become the most advanced and technologically advanced country in the world in microelectronics!
And about the nuclear power plant for Poseidons and Co. I don’t know what technologies they were created on, but back in the USSR compact thorium nuclear power plants were created, which made it possible to completely abandon diesel engines! By the way, one download on such an installation lasted for 50 years! Thank you to the government! These power plants are only the first step, a whole train of breakthrough technologies in many sectors of the economy stretched behind them! He buried everything with a bald bastard! EBN finished off! The monument to this scientific breakthrough still stands in Novosibirsk at. Petukhova!

[Zaurbek]

Show domestic LCD TV and a smartphone.

[Waldemar]

There are practically no countries that print money themselves. They even print in one place ...

[sib.ataman]

It is not necessary to envy, but to conduct strict accounting and control! Useful!

[Megatron]

Where from? We have theft only on public procurement, for a year, reaches 2 trillion rubles! And the urakriks again talk about the machinations of the United States.

[Sadko88]

Very positive video. Thank!

[turcom]

I do not understand what is positive?

[Sadko88]

Children, uniform, salute. Event feed

[Mountain shooter]

The boat in size is very large for diesel. Not too high underwater speed and VERY long range. Where are they going to sail with their missiles?

[Jolly oldster sailor]

To us, where else. Already not to Eun ... They will retreat to a respectful distance from the Pacific Fleet, and kaaaak wither.

[Sarmat Sanych]

And what's the point of them "zhahat"?))) Only two strategic nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet will incinerate all living things in South Korea. And even before the lousy subsonic Samsung balalaika fly to our shores. The Yukoreans will not be able to make 90% of our weapons analogues in 20 years.

[tap]

At the same time, in 20 years we will not be able to make 90% of the analogues of Korean electronics, automobiles, shipbuilding and other ...

[Greenwood]

What is 20 years old? Since the 90s is not able. And in general, they lagged behind them in terms of industrial production, in terms of infrastructure and in the quality of life.

[sib.ataman]

It’s bad when you don’t believe in your country and people!

[KVU-NSVD]

size is very large for diesel. Not too high underwater speed and VERY long range. Where are they going to sail with their missiles?

First of all, south. Koreans and Japanese there are imprisoned in support of the United States against China, well, he won’t hesitate against us to Amer if that ... Well, against his relatives from the North too - the rhetoric on reconciliation of the confrontation does not cancel. Interestingly, and missiles with a range of one and a half thousand are Aboriginal Axes or a local device? it will be necessary to dig about them Old ...

[sir_obs]

The boat in size is very large for diesel. Not too high underwater speed and VERY long range. Where are they going to sail with their missiles?

The boat is truly disproportionate to the declared armament. The range is small. Post-war diesel engines have twice as much. Speed ​​for a diesel engine does not determine anything at all, given that the pelehod usually does not exceed the speed sufficient to control the depth and heading. Irache will put its batteries in a couple of hours.

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

The eye, which has been washed over the years, hardly perceives such figures.

Hello Volchara!
Rudolph, 10% is clearly not enough. These are not our boats, with the flooding of one of the compartments of which they remain operational ... I wonder how many compartments they have? But, judging by the crew, the degree of automation of processes is extremely high ... Yeah.
But I'm actually talking about something else. The engineers of the country of morning freshness, it seems to me, have collected all worthy ideas in the project: from our Amur-1650 - verticals for the KRBD / PKR, the Germans - VNEU, for themselves, loved ones - LIABs are conformal. The Spanish company INDRA supplied Pegaso electronic warfare systems, the British company Babcock manufactured the control system for the Batch I series submarines, the French company Sagem will supply optoelectronic observation masts. The Weapon Handling and Launch System (WHLS) was supplied by the British company. Babcock "(Babcock). So, with the world on a string, and it turned out very seriously. Plus 50 days under water! This is serious...
Submarine armament will include Cheon Ryong cruise missiles.
The basic project of the submarine provides for equipping it with 6 vertical launchers manufactured by the Doosan company with Hyunmu-2 cruise missiles (launch range 500 km) of the national LIG Nex1, which will also supply the KSS-3 and GAS combat control system with an antenna diameter 7,7 m ..
In May 2016, the Ministry of Defense's Defense Procurement Programs Agency of the Republic of Korea announced the selection of Daewoo Shipbuilding and Maryne Engineering as the contractor for the design and construction of the second heavy batch of the KSS-3 project nuclear submarine (KSS-III Batch-II). The submarines of the second series will have an elongated hull, displacement of up to 4000 tons, the number of silos will increase from 6 to 10, more advanced means of detecting national production, as well as an improved VNEU, which will allow them to strike at ground targets more effectively and fight enemy submarines.
It is assumed that they will carry short-range SLBMs. Mining is being developed by Daewoo in collaboration with the South Korean Military Development Agency (ADD). They will house Cheonryong SLBMs with a launch range of up to 500 kilometers. This SLBM is based on the Hyunmoo III-A BR manufactured by ADD and LIG Nex1.

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

About such performance characteristics in Kalina I wanted to see.

Rudolf! To want is not to have! We can't manage the power plant with 677 in any way ... But at the stand she seemed to be holding the mode, but at one - no ... And then, it seems to me that ours are darkening something with a single electric motor ...
And all as our nachhim wrote: "In the underwater world, darkness and silence ...."

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

Why is the anaerobic installation on this boat not mentioned in the Russian media? I do not know why".

Because this is a dubious advantage, or rather not an advantage at all.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Setrac

Because this is a dubious advantage, or rather not an advantage at all.

It turns out “Ruby” sawed budget money in vain? Or, nevertheless, "green grapes"?

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

It turns out “Ruby” sawed budget money in vain? Or, nevertheless, "green grapes"?

VNEU are different - this is a too general name. And if this VNEU - for example - the Sterling engine - then there will be little sense from such a VNEU. "Ruby" "sawed" in a slightly different direction

[Vladimir Postnikov]

In my link, which the moderator erased (I don’t know why, because the information was on the topic with links regarding this particular boat), PEM fuel cell (fuel cells) was clearly indicated. Rubin sawed precisely fuel cells. More precisely, he sawed two new topics on fuel cells there: the fuel cells themselves and the reforming of diesel fuel to produce hydrogen. Two new processes at the same time. Risky. This is partly why the result is not surprising.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

But because they precisely saw, but do not work. Rubin is allocated money, and specialists were collected at the Central Research Institute of Computer Science in 2002. Money to specific performers does not reach at all those who allocate on a specific topic. The ball is ruled by effective managers, not effective engineers.
As for the batteries, Liotech, created with money from Rusnano (they are also budget ones), was declared bankrupt a couple of years ago. Where was Rubin before? Where is he today? "Everywhere money, money, money, Everywhere money, gentlemen."
By the way, by indirect signs, I judge that there is a desire in the future to replace nuclear power plants with fuel cells for more serious boats.

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

Money to specific performers does not reach at all those who allocate on a specific topic.

Let the prosecutor's office do this. If you want to fight corruption, go to law enforcement.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Want to comment on something about an item? Go, in turn, and study this subject before writing anything.

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

Want to comment on something about an item? Go, in turn, and study this subject before writing anything.

What to study? Theft? They steal in all countries, and in many countries and more than in Russia, and even Americans are ahead of the rest. Russia here is no different from the rest.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from rudolf

started back in the 90's, when they went headlong into commerce and became an open joint stock company

I remember these shots when in the nineties I.D. Spassky gives an interview against the background of a rather expensive simulator / simulator for playing golf. I thought back then that they had come.
As for Liotech, I’d better give a snapshot:

The sight of a workshop with "nano technologies" causes a cognitive dissonance in me.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Yes, Rudolph, we’ve missed a lot in recent years. Here you have it for the collection:
http://sfts-1500.narod.ru
From there: "According to the letter I received from Mikhail Kasatkin, the chief specialist of the Hydrogen Energy Department of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise TsNII SET (20.09.2005), the production time for the prototype power plant with solid polymer block-type fuel cells with a total capacity of 1000 kW is 2 - 3 years from the date of the start of order financing."
Why did I remember this. First of all, because “Ruby” has nothing to do with it.
In addition, the SFTS architecture submarine cargo drones are an ideal pilot vessel not only for testing fuel cell installations, but also for other unmanned vehicle systems. For 2-3 of the year it was possible to create the experimental vessel itself from wood and plastic. By 2008-2009, they could have tried hard. Did not work out.
And money in 2005 did not know where to invest (according to Fradkov). However, in the same 2005 I wrote that "they come easily - they will easily leave." And so it happened.

[Zaurbek]

Lyon batteries are an alternative to VNEU ..... there are only problems with overheating at such capacities.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

The specific energy consumption of LIABs of the order of 90 W * h / kg. The specific energy consumption of oil (and fuel from it) is within 11000-13000 W * h / kg.
Sorry, but the alternative is not yet visible. And this is despite the fact that I suggested crossing the Arctic Ocean through the pole on batteries. But, that is, an advertising project.
Alas, the numbers "rule".

[Zaurbek]

They steer for the ship, but do not steer for the submarine.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Zaurbek

They steer for the ship, but do not steer for the submarine.

?

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

In my link, which the moderator erased (I don’t know why, since the information was on the topic with links regarding this particular boat), PEM fuel cell (fuel cells) was clearly indicated.

Perhaps I myself found such links, left, they can not be trusted. What the Koreans do not know, there is no official information.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

http://kte.co.kr/eng/Rnd/rnd2.php
Here is the official information. The test setup was done in 2011. Working - in December 2014.

[dvina71]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

Goes "Ruby" in vain sawed budget money?

Rubin is still sawing, but not an anaerobic engine, but fuel cells. There are no problems with the elements themselves .. but the disposal of reaction products .. this is a problem.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: dvina71

Rubin is still sawing, but not an anaerobic engine, but fuel cells. There are no problems with the elements themselves .. but the disposal of reaction products .. this is a problem.

Separate fuel cell operation and reforming. Someone may not know. The reaction products of fuel cells are pure water, electric current, and heat. No problems with recycling.

[sir_obs]

It is not at all understandable what caused the table to have a large displacement at sufficiently tailor-made dimensions. Weapons are not enough for such a large displacement. Cruising range is also not impressive. If this is a modern ship, then something is said.

[Sarmat Sanych]

This Korean hat in terms of armament does not even come close to our "Varshavyanka", the Koreans themselves did not make cruise missiles 5-10 years ago, now they are assembled from Raytheon components, i.e. they will be even worse than the Omerykan ones. The situation is similar for torpedoes. In general, with all this Korean-Japanese pathos of "rapid development", they have not possessed any critical technologies in the military-industrial complex and will not have for decades, everything rests only on handouts of mattresses. But efficiency and diligence are at their best, which is why they give out a mountain in shipbuilding.

[Zaurbek]

It is more compact than a Warsaw ... 1500km - very decent by the standards of the Kyrgyz Republic with conventional warheads.

[sir_obs]

Are you kidding me? 10 miles not impressive? Much more

The range on old 641 projects is 24000 miles with a standard heavy load, and when receiving fuel in addition to the ballast tanks, all 36000.


Autonomy of 50 days under water is where did you dig this?
About the anaerobic installation was not said, there is infa that there will be lithium-ion bugs. what will they breathe? One battery is not enough to regenerate air.

[tlauicol]

Quote: sir_obs

Are you kidding me? 10 miles not impressive? Much more

The range on old 641 projects is 24000 miles with a standard heavy load, and when receiving fuel in addition to the ballast tanks, all 36000.


.

this is the range for pr641 in the TOP position in the pregnant tanker mode

[sir_obs]

And this type of 10000 miles under water and without recharging the batteries? It’s electricity, how does Fnautilus Verna take directly from sea water? And along with the air.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from rudolf

Even if Koreans lied and pulled something on the globe

Rudolph, I doubt very much that Koreans lied. Everything is very good with fuel cells. In the American market, their serial (!) Fuel cell cars appeared in 2015. But the information that they release them already for their fellow citizens.
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/model-news/hyundai-begins-sales-of-nexo-fuel-cell-electric-vehicle

[Samara_63]

In the fleet I am only English, I recognize the Japanese ... sea people from birth!

[Waldemar]

And what about the Dutch Spaniards?

[Samara_63]

Well then, the Portuguese ... but now only England and Japan have retained opportunities, although I saw the Portuguese Frigates in Japan ...