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Business Insider: American F-22 is not against Russian Su-35

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Following the American magazine The National Interest, which constantly compares Russian and American weapons, news Business Insider portal. In a material published on the portal, the military observer Business Insider compared the fifth-generation fighter F-22 Raptor and the Russian Su-35, suggesting that they could meet in real combat.


Business Insider: American F-22 is not against Russian Su-35


According to the author of the material, when meeting in battle the American F-22 Raptor and the Russian Su-35, the fifth generation aircraft will lose, even though air combat is the main specialization of the American fighter. The American aircraft in battle immediately loses its main advantage - stealth, and also it simply does not have enough weapons. The Russian Su-35 is more maneuverable than the F-22, which gives it an advantage in long-range and close-range air combat.

The retired US Air Force pilot, David Burke, who once flew the F-22, told the publication that, compared with the Russian Su-35, the American fighter is much inferior in maneuverability. When flying to F-22, he added, we were always taught to “avoid maneuvering collisions with the enemy,” and to use the advantage of a fighter - stealth. Also, the Russian plane carries a lot more missiles than the American fighter, which also gives an advantage to the Russian Su-35.

As a result, the author of Business Insider summarized that the F-22 with its emphasis on stealth is not suitable for interceptions, and fourth-generation aircraft such as the F-15 can do this work.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 15 September 2018 17: 25
    +3
    What? Again! Already won? belay
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 15 September 2018 17: 42
      +5
      Oh, these fights, "spherical horses in a vacuum." But to see "people hawala", since all new publications begin to engage in such ANALITICS
    2. Rav Rav
      Rav Rav 15 September 2018 17: 51
      +4
      I can’t say exactly, the main thing is that the mericatos are afraid, but we didn’t come to the war!
    3. aws4
      aws4 16 September 2018 00: 39
      +1
      Fedor you're just handsome))))) ridiculed)))) thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. Jolly oldster sailor
    Jolly oldster sailor 15 September 2018 17: 26
    +7
    Once a retired pilot says, perhaps I will believe then ... They only tell the truth in retirement now ...
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 15 September 2018 21: 40
      +3
      Quote: Jolly oldster sailor
      Once a retired pilot says, perhaps I will believe then ... They only tell the truth in retirement now ...

      He is not just a retired pilot, but also the daughter of an officer.
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 15 September 2018 17: 26
    +3
    Unlike the Yankees! Either in this way they want to knock out money for the modernization of the F22, or they throw dust in our eyes so that we are seduced by their tales and do not develop the 5th generation of fighters.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 15 September 2018 17: 56
      +1
      At VO a month ago, there was an article which indicated the suspension of production of the F-22, on the basis of which the modernization will concern the F-35. hi
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 September 2018 17: 35
    +9
    Any aircraft that includes a locator loses the advantage of stealth ...
    And the remaining qualities of the aircraft, speed, maneuver, fire (according to Pokryshkin) come to the fore. Or maybe he’s not lying. The retirees are cutting the truth of their womb ... without fear of dismissals and accusations.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 15 September 2018 17: 44
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And the remaining qualities of the aircraft, speed, maneuver, fire (according to Pokryshkin) come to the fore. Or maybe he’s not lying. The retirees are cutting the truth of their womb ... without fear of dismissals and accusations.

      But we shouldn't forget about one more "quality" - namely, the number of these very planes! After all, this factor also matters. And it is not in favor of the RF Aerospace Forces. And taking into account all the other Rafals, Typhoons and others like them, even more so! And jackals do not attack alone!
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 September 2018 18: 38
        +3
        You are right, there are many, even very many, so we need to increase our aviation and means of combating enemy aircraft.
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 15 September 2018 21: 43
          0
          Quote: cniza
          You are right, there are many, even very many, so we need to increase our aviation and means of combating enemy aircraft

          Thanks to the "effective manager" Serdyukov, we have what we have. Well, at least not all aviation schools managed to be liquidated ...
      2. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 15 September 2018 21: 21
        +3
        And air defense the rest for what? Or do you think that all 100500 thousand vrazhin will immediately fly to crush us? And our minority die? Our air defense is considered one of the best in the world. And those who don’t fly and don’t give others ... So they will even the odds. Missiles do not mind a lot of them.
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 15 September 2018 19: 08
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Any aircraft that includes a locator loses the advantage of stealth ...

      do not take others dumber than yourself. :) For this, there is a sufficient quantity of AWACS to aim f22, but this is not a problem either, the S300 and S400 air defense systems have the ability to hit Avaxes over long distances. thereby complicating the life of the invisible.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 15 September 2018 19: 13
        +1
        Aircraft AWACS - the first goal, they are few, and we have a lot of surprises for them. Starting from the S-400, and the wonderful MiG-31 with long-range missiles.
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 15 September 2018 21: 22
          0
          About EW forgot)
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 September 2018 22: 52
          -5
          F-22/35 fight without AWACS. This is fundamentally different from the 4th generation. Tactics have changed.
          For the S-300/400 .. AWACS aircraft is indeed a wonderful target, but they (aircraft) will not be.
          Interceptors will help much more, but they should be the 5th generation, like the Su-57
          1. NN52
            NN52 15 September 2018 23: 01
            +2
            Yeah ... No words, Alex ...
            Where are you reading this about AWACS, in a murzilka?
            Ask yourself how much interceptors and AWACS can "see" ...
            And I recommended you not to get into the aviation topic, well, not seriously and funny already ....
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 September 2018 00: 03
              -4
              Ask yourself the question: "to what extent does the AWACS aircraft unmask its own aircraft with its presence, which it" helps "(in quotes)?"
              And you may understand why the 5th generation planes prefer to do without the "big uncle" wink
              1. Alex_Rarog
                Alex_Rarog 16 September 2018 20: 00
                +2
                And now the question to the expert)
                How in air operation fu22-35 will look for the enemy? Passive radar can detect only the target that emits itself. And if they turn on their radar then they are no longer stealth. And what do you command without a drill to them to do?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 16 September 2018 23: 37
                  -1
                  Modern AFARs are very complex "multi-station" ones. They can simultaneously operate at different frequencies, and each part of it - at different powers. Aircraft of the 5th generation may well fly with the radar on and navigate remarkably around them without radar.
                  Russia's task is to make such an AFAR and install it on its 5th generation, the Su-57. Which must, at least burst, bring to mind and to mass production. Then the Russian planes will not need huge and vulnerable AWACS planes to "guide them."
                  1. Alex_Rarog
                    Alex_Rarog 17 September 2018 16: 37
                    0
                    Do you understand what you said?
                    Afar either in passive mode works at the reception. Or in active reception radiation. If the enemy does not radiate, then afar in passive mode will not see him. And on the irons of the F-22-35 series there is not even an IR review.
  5. Sadko88
    Sadko88 15 September 2018 17: 38
    +1
    Not an adversary, but not a buddy smile
  6. Fungus
    Fungus 15 September 2018 17: 50
    -4
    90% in battle depends on the pilot.
  7. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 15 September 2018 17: 54
    +3
    The F-22, with its emphasis on stealth, is not suitable for interceptions, and fourth-generation aircraft such as the F-15 can do this job.
    The author seems to be pushing the idea of ​​modernizing the "Eagle" to the F-15X version and adopting it into service.
  8. Runoway
    Runoway 15 September 2018 17: 55
    +2
    Having lost the race in maneuverability, the Americans relied on a greater detection radius and range of air-to-air missiles. Proceeding from this, it turns out: "the one who discovers wins earlier" and let the F-22 not be so invisible as it is prayed for, but the fact that the glider and coverage is an advantage in detection is a fact. It turns out, speaking of the battle of these two aircraft, one should compare their weapons, EPRs and on-board systems, and it is not unimportant how many aircraft are equipped with them (rhetorically for the Aerospace Forces, maybe, for example, "President" has long been praised, but the Syrian company showed that few are equipped with them)
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 15 September 2018 21: 25
      +2
      Without avax, they are either blind or dead. Radar radiation or the opening of weapon compartments turns any of them into a target.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 September 2018 23: 00
      -2
      "Having lost the race in agility," ///
      -----
      The Americans developed their all-round rotary nozzles back in the 80s. There are flying prototypes F-16 with such nozzles. But they considered the direction not very promising, as well as the fashionable one-time changing sweep of the wings. So - different concepts ...
  9. gurta
    gurta 15 September 2018 18: 25
    +1
    The biggest problem of F22 is translators into Russian. It would be nice to upload links to comparisons. There are several of them, and they are sure:
    the newest generation of US warplanes reimagines aerial combat in such a way that future pilots won't even have to get their hands dirty to deter or defeat the enemy.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/su-35-vs-f-22-2016-9#stealth-6
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  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 September 2018 19: 35
    -1
    In the English original, the conclusions are diametrically opposed to the Russian translation
    https://www.businessinsider.com/su-35-vs-f-22-2016-9#stealth-6
    And the translation itself is a complete gag of the translator.
    1. SETTGF
      SETTGF 15 September 2018 21: 04
      +1
      voyaka uh! Which plane is more maneuverable ?!
    2. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 15 September 2018 22: 05
      -1
      In general, the 22nd has the worst maneuverability, the 35th has no radar invisibility.
      In real life = who is lucky with the conditions of the battle and with the qualifications of the enemy.
  11. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 15 September 2018 22: 15
    +4
    In the original, the authors conclude that the F-22 will be the winner due to stealth and will not allow the SU-35 to approach for a maneuverable battle, which is not surprising, the article was sculpted by the Americans, in our "translation" the conclusions are opposite, which is not surprising - ours "translated".
    How will it really be? Usually a more modern and high-tech weapon gives a significant advantage, our propaganda says that this is not so, I think it is better if we do not know what the result of this confrontation will be, in the sense that it would be better not
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 September 2018 11: 20
    0
    And if the F-22 will fly backwards, then who will win? We are waiting for the article.