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Media: On the "Union" found new traces of drilling

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The media reported that more than one drilling trace was found on the Soyuz spacecraft. The TASS news agency, citing its own source in the rocket and space industry, reports that several more traces of the drill’s impact have been found — not just on the skin.


Thus, the mentioned drilling traces were found on the so-called “MC-09 Union” anti-meteorite protection screen. This protection element covers the ship and is installed approximately one and a half centimeters from the hermetic enclosure.



The material stated that the hole in the skin of the spacecraft drilled through and rested the head of the drill in the very anti-meteorite protection.

Source TASS reports that the installation of the anti-meteorite protection screen is the penultimate assembly stage of the spacecraft, and when the Soyuz was delivered to the final assembly shop, it was photographed in detail. No traces of drilling at that time were found.

From the material:
Thus, the ship could be drilled at the very last stage of work in the workshop of the final assembly or on the test bench (CIS).


It was added that photographing the ship is not provided for on the KIS.

During the week, Dmitry Rogozin contacted NASA head Jim Bridenstein. During the conversation, subsequent close contacts were discussed to study the depressurization incident on the ISS.

Recall that earlier in the media there was a version of the drilling of the “Union” by an American astronaut, who “felt unwell and wanted to return to Earth earlier.”
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  1. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 14 September 2018 05: 59
    +15
    There is already work for prosecutors and psychiatrists! But, how was the ship accepted, with a bunch of holes in the hull? ?? Lack of control over work is obvious! !!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 September 2018 06: 05
      +15
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Media: On the "Union" found new traces of drilling

      1. hrych
        hrych 14 September 2018 06: 59
        +10
        The American became ill, decided to breathe fresh air wassat
        1. vic02
          vic02 14 September 2018 10: 23
          +2
          To the Point!
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 14 September 2018 10: 41
            +8
            Do not read the tabloid press in the morning (did not mean VO) Gossip like "... from reliable sources ...", etc.
        2. AlexG83
          AlexG83 14 September 2018 14: 04
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          The American became ill, decided to breathe fresh air wassat

          From such fresh air, the lungs turn inside out. )
        3. 22 dmdc
          22 dmdc 14 September 2018 16: 44
          0
          Quote: hrych
          The American became ill, decided to breathe fresh air

          Stop it! I'll get off.
      2. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely 14 September 2018 08: 24
        +2
        The main obstacles: Hollows, Hollows and .... Holes.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. milling machine
            milling machine 14 September 2018 09: 58
            -4
            Do not drag any nonsense and sick fantasies here.
            1. milling machine
              milling machine 14 September 2018 10: 39
              +1
              Quote: frezer
              Do not drag any nonsense and sick fantasies here.

              And that threw cons. About nonsense I wrote to the comment deleted above.
          2. Lebedev
            Lebedev 14 September 2018 11: 34
            0
            I'm crying))))!!! But it really can be)))
      3. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 14 September 2018 20: 36
        0
        Orthodox (Orthodox) pastafarian, may the merciful flying pasta monster have mercy on him.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 September 2018 06: 44
      +11
      The strange thing is that if it was drilled on the ground, why did you notice it so late. If the pressure began to fall, then the automation would have worked earlier. Or did he glue a hole in the chewing gum?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 September 2018 06: 48
        +8
        all "Ridley scots and carpenters" smoke ... Russia rules! "we were born to make a fairy tale come true ..." MAT ... and then also mat ...
    3. gm9019
      gm9019 14 September 2018 07: 23
      -7
      Quote: ANCIENT
      with a bunch of holes in the case?

      Titanium alloy plating? A drill? Or maybe all the same with a stone ax and a stone core? laughing laughing laughing
      1. milling machine
        milling machine 14 September 2018 08: 07
        +11
        Quote: gm9019
        Quote: ANCIENT
        with a bunch of holes in the case?

        Titanium alloy plating? A drill? Or maybe all the same with a stone ax and a stone core? laughing laughing laughing

        Do you think titanium won't be drilled? Even how it is drilled, at the level of an ordinary stainless steel.
        If you don’t know, don’t write, especially with so many emoticons.
        1. vic02
          vic02 14 September 2018 09: 04
          +16
          According to the photo of the vessel, there are holes with traces of poking with a drill around the bush, there is not even a smell of titanium there. But it is obvious that the driller was trying for a long time to find a comfortable position. Or hands were shaking, this is a common thing in a hurry and emotional stress. So, sabotage of "partners" cannot be ruled out.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 14 September 2018 09: 53
            +9
            Quote: vic02
            According to the photo of the vessel, there are holes with traces of poking with a drill around the bush, there is not even a smell of titanium there. But it is obvious that the driller was trying for a long time to find a comfortable position. Or hands were shaking, this is a common thing in a hurry and emotional stress. So, sabotage of "partners" cannot be ruled out.

            There is another problem, weightlessness, no emphasis, it is difficult to drill.
          2. beeper
            beeper 14 September 2018 11: 38
            +8
            Quote: vic02
            According to the photo of the vessel, there are holes with traces of poking with a drill around the bush, there is not even a smell of titanium there. But it is obvious that the driller was trying for a long time to find a comfortable position. Or hands were shaking, this is a common thing in a hurry and emotional stress. So, sabotage of "partners" cannot be ruled out.

            hi When drilling metal (and yes, titanium is drilled in the same way as ordinary food grade stainless steel, at low speeds), if the hole is not pre-drilled, then the drill (sharpened tip of the drill) can "run away (leaving just such marks as in the photo of the lining" Union ")" until it is drilled into the metal. And no matter how strong and non-shaking your hands are, the drill gear is always stronger, and a thin and long drill also bends (or breaks) elastically, from the disproportionate axial force applied to it (the speed of cutting metal with a drill)!
            My opinion about the holes that were discovered is (if we exclude technical espionage with elementary "taking shavings for chemical analysis of the metal of the ship's structure" winked ) a clear unfriendly (competitive ???) attempt to discredit the Russian space technology in the eyes of the leadership and specialists of the user countries (and, of course, the quite likely death of a part of the ISS crew to discredit in the eyes of liberal ordinary people, the so-called "world community", the Russian component of the space stations), that is, you need to look for the one (that "partner" state) who benefits from it. wink
            1. Igor Polovodov
              Igor Polovodov 14 September 2018 18: 52
              +2
              Well, yes, the words of V. I. Lenin - "who benefits, he did" ...
      2. Z_G_R
        Z_G_R 14 September 2018 11: 45
        +5
        You will be pleasantly surprised, but there is a stupidly aluminum alloy, and sooooo thin. Space, cho .. But in general, there the shell goes in layers ... both fabric and ceramics.
    4. volot-voin
      volot-voin 14 September 2018 08: 29
      +1
      Quote: ANCIENT
      There is already work for prosecutors and psychiatrists! But, how was the ship accepted, with a bunch of holes in the hull? ?? Lack of control over work is obvious! !!

      Wrecking, psychiatrists, I think nothing to do with it ... Let the FSB prosecutor’s office, the Investigative Committee and others, investigate and catch spies and put them in jail. With their effective work, missiles will fall much less frequently.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 14 September 2018 09: 23
        +3
        Who will plant them. Well they are in space
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 14 September 2018 22: 43
          0
          Quote: igorbrsv
          +2
          Who will plant them. Well they are in space

          I think so. that those who did not drill in space are fraught with death.
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 14 September 2018 09: 10
      +1
      From the material:
      Thus, the ship could be drilled at the very last stage of work in the workshop of the final assembly or on the test bench (CIS).

      And now one of the popular versions:
      According to Kommersant, with reference to a “senior interlocutor,” Russia is considering, as a matter of priority, the version that American astronauts drilled a hole in the skin of the Soyuz.
      And at this time, in a copter of the assembly shop of "Rosskosmos", a man of pre-retirement age, affectionately stroking his puncher:
      - Nothing, nothing, I'll show you pension reform ...
      (from jokes)
  2. Russia
    Russia 14 September 2018 06: 01
    +4
    And then they decided to blame the Americans, but they sit there below the water, below the grass, they are even afraid to let the whisperer go.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 September 2018 06: 06
      +2
      Quote: Rusland
      And then they decided to blame the Americans, but they sit there below the water, below the grass, they are even afraid to let the whisperer go.

      Rogozin Fighting CCA ... yes
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 14 September 2018 06: 19
      +8
      Quote: Rusland
      +1
      And then they decided to blame the Americans, but they sit there below the water, below the grass, they are even afraid to let the whisperer go.

      Americans, yes, they let light innocent elves and winds with the smell of lilies of the valley. How can you think of them like that?
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 14 September 2018 06: 20
      0
      Aliens, not otherwise, indulge! belay
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 14 September 2018 10: 01
        +6
        Aliens, this is if drilled outside, and inside - this is a brownie. lol
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 September 2018 11: 15
          0
          The ghost of a former employee of the RSC Energia assembly shop still lives on Soyuz.
  3. jonht
    jonht 14 September 2018 06: 15
    +6
    Very similar to sabotage, the one who drilled knew exactly at what stages what checks the ship goes through ....
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 14 September 2018 06: 25
      +4
      Quote: jonht
      at what stages what checks does the ship go through ....

      They then already in the upper layers of the atmosphere, the pressure should have started to fall.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 06: 48
        +3
        Quote: Gray Brother

        They then already in the upper layers of the atmosphere, the pressure should have started to fall.


        So then we return to the version that the hole was closed, and there are no other options. The version with astronauts-saboteurs (this is complete nonsense, wrote in the last news on this topic .... but our cheers patriots do not like a different opinion), I recently read that the ISS does not have such a drill size that would be drilled in zero gravity at such an angle , and with the new data in which even anti-meteor protection is touched, you can probably talk about this, so the jamb happened on Earth and again questions arise both to the ship manufacturer and to the security service, both inside the enterprise and in Baikonur .... of course there is another version that the meteorite has pierced through the ISS (and it’s such traces from it) but experts are silent on this subject, and the traces there are clearly from the drill ....
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 14 September 2018 07: 02
          +5
          I recently read that there is no such drill size on the ISS,
          The instrument specification on the Amer part of the ISS was personally approved?
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 07: 11
            +3
            Quote: Fil743
            I recently read that there is no such drill size on the ISS,
            The instrument specification on the Amer part of the ISS was personally approved?


            The internal commission of RSC Energia established that the International Space Station does not have such a long drill that it was possible to make a hole found in the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft, RIA Novosti reports with reference to a source in the space and rocket industry.

            “Even at the beginning of the work of the internal commission, the employees of the RSC Energia scientific and technical center conducted a ground-based experiment on behalf of it, during which it was established that it is possible to drill a hole in the place where it was found, in the conditions of orbital flight, but considering location, this will require a drill about half a meter long, ”he said.

            He explained that the hole was located in a place inconvenient for access, and for the drill to enter at an angle at which the hole was drilled, the drill itself should be half a meter from the ship’s wall.

            “Of course, there is no such drill on the ISS,” the source added.
            1. Horon
              Horon 14 September 2018 08: 14
              +8
              A 2-millimeter drill is half a meter long, even on the earth is missing, your version is not intellectually different from the version of a sick astronaut hurrying to return to Earth! laughing laughing
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 10: 05
                +2
                Quote: Horon
                A 2-millimeter drill is half a meter long, even on the earth is missing, your version is not intellectually different from the version of a sick astronaut hurrying to return to Earth! laughing laughing


                This is not my version, but the version of RKK Energia, which conducted ground tests and made conclusions about what size a drill should be in order to drill in zero gravity at such an angle),
                1. Horon
                  Horon 14 September 2018 11: 24
                  +3
                  Rather, it is a version of a journalist. On Earth, there are no materials from which it is possible to make a drill of such a length with a 2 mm diameter. Even when drilling wood or plastic, without special tools, such a drill will quickly break. Such a length can only be drilled with a laser, but there are also many limitations! The media recently began to replicate fakes, speculation and pure nonsense on an incredible scale! hi
                  1. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 11: 59
                    0
                    Well, there are two options: either the journalists themselves came up with this version for hype and RSC Energia did not conduct such studies, or the drilling conditions, angle and other parameters differ significantly in outer space and on Earth, perhaps a drill of this length is not needed on Earth ( it’s suitable for normal sizes) but on the ISS to fulfill all those conditions, you need a drill with these parameters .... I'm not special in these matters, so I can’t say anything about this, but there are signs of drilling, and there’s even anti-meteor protection :
                    "According to a TASS source, drill marks were found on the anti-meteorite shield. This shield is located outside the ship, it is installed 15 mm from the sealed hull." and who is to blame for the big question. But for astronauts / astronauts, I would think the last thing (if you look objectively, and not fantastic / crazy versions), no one would dig a hole for themselves, but sabotage at the final stage of assembly or already at Baikonur has more chances for life (IMHO of course) .... let's see what the official commission says.
                    1. Horon
                      Horon 14 September 2018 12: 28
                      +4
                      Well, there are two options, either the journalists themselves invented this version for hype and RKK Energia did not conduct such studies

                      The third option: the journalist heard the "ringing", and invented the rest.
                      the angle and other parameters differ significantly in outer space and here on Earth, perhaps a drill of this length is not needed on Earth (it will fit normal sizes)

                      If you prove that non-Euclidean geometry is present in near-earth space, you can apply for the Nobel Prize! "Drill"? It was actually talking about a drill! Can you imagine what Sopromat is? A drill of half a meter long and 2 mm in diameter will break even if you pinch its tip with your fingers! That is why all drills have certain proportions, elongated drills exist, but are used with fixtures. But even they don't have such proportions.
                      "According to a TASS source, drill marks were found on the anti-meteorite shield. This shield is located outside the ship, it is installed 15 mm from the sealed hull."

                      Here, I don’t understand, did they take apart the wall? How did they determine the length of the channel without dismantling the outer layers? Surgical probe? So the hole was sealed with a sealing compound! In general, there are continuous misunderstandings and nothing substantiated hypotheses.
                      1. Aleksandr21
                        Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 12: 56
                        0
                        In your opinion, the information that the traces of the drill were found on the anti-meteorite protection, the invention of journalists? Since you don’t know how the experts found out this point .... Here you just need to understand one thing, or the journalists come up with everything on the go, or the media really has its sources on which information reaches us. The version with the length of the drill (and not with a drill, I really made a reservation here) was not invented by me, and I can’t judge how accurate the information is, but as you know there is no smoke without fire, and since the information gets into the network, then someone gives it :)
                      2. Polymer
                        Polymer 16 September 2018 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Horon
                        How did they determine the length of the channel without dismantling the outer layers? Surgical probe?

                        "Surgical" probes with a camera and a flashlight on the tip of a thin wire can now be found even in the garages of some craftsmen. So no surprise.
                  2. Polymer
                    Polymer 16 September 2018 20: 03
                    0
                    The entire drill should not be 2 mm in diameter. There are extensions for drills and cutters with shrink fit. I did it myself once, though not 500 mm, of course, but 200 mm is quite real, even in artisanal conditions. This is exactly when you need to "reach" an uncomfortable place. Drill slipping marks, by the way, indirectly confirm this option.
                    But where it was done is a question. The fact is that at the stages of final assembly, the accessibility conditions must be exactly the same as in space. Well, except in the latter case, plus weightlessness ...
            2. sgapich
              sgapich 14 September 2018 10: 58
              -1
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              ... however, given its location, this will require a drill about half a meter long ...
              “Of course, there is no such drill on the ISS,” the source added.


              So it means that American astronauts, highly likely (Hiley Likely), secretly carried it aboard. It is clear in what place. laughing
              1. Horse, people and soul
                Horse, people and soul 14 September 2018 20: 44
                0
                So that's where the expression "die-hard American astronaut" comes from.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 07: 32
            +2
            Quote: Fil743
            I recently read that there is no such drill size on the ISS,
            The instrument specification on the Amer part of the ISS was personally approved?

            And what diameter is the drill? What is this secret?
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 14 September 2018 07: 54
              -1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Fil743
              I recently read that there is no such drill size on the ISS,
              The instrument specification on the Amer part of the ISS was personally approved?

              And what diameter is the drill? What is this secret?

              WHY DO YOU NEED?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 08: 04
                +1
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                WHY DO YOU NEED?

                And to make it clear. If, for example, a drill on 5-7 mm., Then this can be a short-sighted assistant welder tried (like for spot welding). And if on 1,5 mm, then the spies are likely. tongue
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 14 September 2018 11: 54
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And what diameter is the drill?
              2 mm. At the very beginning there was information. Even the photos were already (holes, not drills).
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 11: 59
                +2
                Quote: Simargl
                2 mm. At the very beginning there was information. Even the photos were already (holes, not drills).

                Thin, damn it. As a locksmith who has drilled more than one million holes, I don’t even know where, what is it.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 14 September 2018 10: 28
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Of course there is another version that the meteorite has pierced the ISS through and through

          Inside, or what? The meteorite defense is not broken, only the TRACKS of the drill are on it
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 14 September 2018 11: 23
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Of course there is another version that the meteorite has pierced the ISS through and through

            Inside, or what? The meteorite defense is not broken, only the TRACKS of the drill are on it


            And then, what do not read?

            Of course there is still a version that the ISS has thoroughly flashed the ISS (and these are such traces from it), but experts are silent on this subject, and the traces there are clearly from the drill ....


            The version with the micrometeorite was at the very beginning, the RKK experts did not confirm it (and the rest of the versions in fact), but if, in the order of nonsense, versions were put forward with unbalanced astronauts who wanted to go home, this version looks good, but alas, without confirmation. If there were no signs of drilling, then a working version could be quite ...
            In 2013, by the way, there was a case of micrometeorite getting into the solar panel:

            "Canadian Chris Hedfield said via his Twitter that the station was hit by just one of these micrometeorites. Fortunately, it only passed through the solar panels of the ISS and other equipment was not damaged. But even a tiny body was able to leave a hole the size of a bullet hole.Chris was even afraid to imagine what would happen if the same micrometeorite hit the space station itself.No, it would not fly apart, like in fantastic action movies, but the hit would be a much bigger problem for astronauts than just a scratch. "

            Well, regarding the current situation, I am more inclined to the version with sabotage, either at the final stage of assembly, or at Baikonur.
      2. gm9019
        gm9019 14 September 2018 07: 24
        -1
        Yes, in general, some nonsense! request
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 14 September 2018 06: 49
      +4
      The one who drilled knew for sure that the instrument compartment would burn out during the descent of the ship, and no one would find any traces! Never ... Repeated attempts at drilling may mean that the "woodpecker" did not have any drawings of the ship, and was looking for a weak spot "by touch." They will find and ask "thoughtfully" ...
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 14 September 2018 20: 46
        0
        To the argument. He took and drilled.
      2. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 14 September 2018 21: 50
        0
        Someone must squeeze the Faberge in a vice. will immediately remember. who drilled ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 September 2018 06: 24
    +5
    Although there is a saying that "learn from mistakes," such "mistakes" could lead to dire consequences. I am surprised and outraged by the control at such a serious and regime enterprise.
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 14 September 2018 06: 40
    +8
    The situation arose exactly as with the Skripals: only accusations, but no facts. It is necessary to investigate, not to run "ducks" to maintain interest in the topic.
  6. Kryukov
    Kryukov 14 September 2018 06: 40
    +3
    Stop rolling the Americans on ships, let them drill holes on their shuttles.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 07: 34
      0
      Quote: Hooks
      Stop rolling the Americans on ships, let them drill holes on their shuttles.

      Challenger ... crying
    2. gurta
      gurta 14 September 2018 08: 45
      0
      Quote: Hooks
      Stop rolling the Americans on ships, let them drill holes on their shuttles.
      Yes, please, please.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 September 2018 09: 01
      +2
      Already drilled, and therefore do not fly at them.
  7. Jolly oldster sailor
    Jolly oldster sailor 14 September 2018 06: 45
    0
    Where is the OTC? I would have smashed my head with a wrench, just try to think, and not what to play there with the radiator with tractor hands playful with their children. There are no strict uncles and aunts in blue robes, get and sign.
    1. GRF
      GRF 14 September 2018 09: 17
      0
      And who controls the strict uncle and aunt? After all, judging by the style of work of the Americans, they like to bribe cones ...
      Or do you think the cones are squeamish?
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 September 2018 06: 45
    +2
    Strange coincidence: In GB - Сcrap on the ISS - сbelief, against Russia - сAnctions ... Why are there in London and the Pentagon on the letter "s" obsessed? wassat There are 32 more in the Russian alphabet ... belay
    1. Bacha
      Bacha 14 September 2018 07: 14
      +3
      For example "Y". So that no one would guess!
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 14 September 2018 07: 28
      +5
      "- Let them go to 36 letters!
      - What is it like? There are 33 of them.
      - Let them go for 3, but 12 times! " repeat
    3. GRF
      GRF 14 September 2018 09: 20
      0
      Drill aglitsky drill
      Coincidence is sometimes just a coincidence ...
  9. please
    please 14 September 2018 06: 50
    +2
    Two variants of events can be traced in this entire crap around the ISS: either the Rogozinsky Roscosmos passage yard with a swindle of swindlers or this is an unsuccessful distracting propone maneuver (USE however).
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 14 September 2018 07: 16
      +2
      Diversion is not excluded. Space is the only place where we are actively cooperating with the United States today.
  10. K-50
    K-50 14 September 2018 07: 17
    0
    The TASS news agency, citing its own source in the space and rocket industry, reports that several more traces of the impact of the drill were discovered - not only on the skin.

    Campaign, a drum with a drill started. sad what
  11. Antidote
    Antidote 14 September 2018 07: 56
    -1
    Oh, well, the asphalt on the road is also drilled when control is carried out. What is this, the quality control department has drilled to verify compliance, yes.
  12. Igor Strakh
    Igor Strakh 14 September 2018 08: 00
    0
    And I thought that the "dummy" with the little car of Elon Musk is not easy! I flew to the "union" ... and in the trunk he has a drill ...
  13. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 14 September 2018 08: 13
    +3
    captain said tutu wirl (((
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 14 September 2018 08: 26
    +5
    However, this is not the first case of using the drill on the ISS. It seems that the time has come to discuss in detail, jammed by the joint efforts of NASA and ROSKOSMOS, the story of the damage to the toilet on the American segment of the ISS and the abrasive lady from the American crew.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 14 September 2018 21: 57
      +1
      At the school, the orderly literally fulfilled the command of the battery duty officer "to break through the toilet bowl." (and this was a "floor bowl"). the cast iron cracked easily. the people who came running from below cleaned the
  15. Avior
    Avior 14 September 2018 08: 40
    -5
    The material stated that the hole in the skin of the spacecraft drilled through and rested the head of the drill in the very anti-meteorite protection.

    that is, drilled from the inside.
    And they lied in Roskosmos that they were supposedly Americans outside.
    And there is a photo of this particular place, I wonder?
    when Soyuz was delivered to the final assembly workshop, it was photographed in detail
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 14 September 2018 08: 56
      +7
      There have been many versions lately. Moreover, the vast majority of them are journalistic fiction. In the best case, justified: an unnamed source in Roscosmos, with reference to a senior official, etc. mass options. But all these options are united by the fact that they appeared in the minds of journalists who need to write at least something on a relevant topic.
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 September 2018 09: 24
        -1
        that the Americans drilled is a version of the State Duma deputy, a former astronaut.
        this is not journalistic fiction.
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 14 September 2018 10: 18
          0
          I recalled this statement. It seems like a long stay in the Duma negatively affects people.
      2. Forestol
        Forestol 14 September 2018 10: 07
        +3
        exactly. And these magazines do not care that the image of our cosmic authority is flying into the abyss. For the sake of their miserable premium and scandal, they are allowed into the scrap accumulated over decades.
  16. Igor Golov
    Igor Golov 14 September 2018 09: 56
    -1
    Drilling marks on the anti-meteor shield. Outside bark pancake. How everything is clever (actually not), everything is tailored to the fact that the Russians did it. Let's go and drill the meteor defense. The author does not know how to distinguish a drilling trace from a meteorite trace?
  17. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 14 September 2018 09: 58
    +1
    Russian technology has proven its quality - even our leaky spaceship is able to conquer the vastness of the universe. wink
  18. Forestol
    Forestol 14 September 2018 10: 03
    +4
    This is a question for our lifestyle. When it is not clear what kind of source, for what purposes, it disseminates knowingly false information, it should not be believed, logically. We have exactly the opposite. The FSB, it seems, does not work with anonymous letters, as the NKVD had previously worked? It turns out absolutely stupid: in a modern speculative economy, where stocks are quoted on exchanges, for example, the news that the director of, for example, the auto industry giant raped someone, will instantly bring down the shares of this concern, although what does the concern have to do with it? And then, in Roscosmos, there is clearly a sub-war of the Rogozin, the old guard, and heaps of different forces that are dumping fakes for their petty goals, discrediting the Russian space. For this you need to hang on the squares of provocateurs, but with us, on the contrary, they indulge this.
  19. Old26
    Old26 14 September 2018 10: 04
    -1
    Quote: Avior
    that the Americans drilled is a version of the State Duma deputy, a former astronaut.
    this is not journalistic fiction.

    Who cares whose invention. this deputy-cosmonaut, for example, declared the mental imbalance of his colleagues. I wonder if he meant himself or only others. Frankly speaking, already tired of "chewing this gum". There are professionals whose task is to determine what it was. Deliberate drilling or joint that someone tried to hide. As for the versions, they appear the most delusional. If we are already talking about mental imbalance (I wonder why these mentally unbalanced do not scream with fear at the moment of withdrawal?), Then you can think of anything you want. For instance.

    One of the astronauts (cosmonauts), the wife began to "walk" to the side. And to catch her at the scene of the crime - you have to appear suddenly. And how suddenly you appear when the flight schedule is clearly limited. Therefore, they dug a hole in order to quickly get home and catch the unfaithful wife. What is not the reason. I give this version for the media and the OBS agency
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      For example.

      One of the astronauts (cosmonauts), the wife began to "walk" to the side. And to catch her at the scene of the crime - you have to appear suddenly.

      Example. At one of the conscripts in the fleet, a date coincided with access to the sea. This one is going to cancel the exit to the sea and put a needle into the cable. The combat readiness of the USSR decreased by one submarine unit. I don’t know how true it is, I read it at Koretsky.
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 September 2018 10: 56
        -1
        when schools mine calls, the first thing they check is who has control today
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2018 10: 55
      -2
      it is unlikely.
      so suddenly you won’t go down from orbit, everyone will know.
  20. Andkor1962
    Andkor1962 14 September 2018 10: 48
    +2
    I read the comments and I had a question: How did you find traces of the drill on the anti-meteor sheathing, if there is a distance of only 1,5 cm?
    1. Horon
      Horon 14 September 2018 11: 49
      +3
      Interested in too. How did they determine the length of the canal without completely dismantling the damaged area !? Even if you forget that they already sealed it, did they put a surgical probe into the hole there? It feels like the media themselves are artificially inflating the hot topic using any hypotheses and sources, if only to increase their rating!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 13: 07
        0
        Quote: Horon
        How did they determine the length of the canal without completely dismantling the damaged area !?

        And what, the astronauts have forgotten how to use the barbell? Not a very smart question, sorry, of course. In the absence of this, you can stupidly use any object that fits into the hole, starting from a needle, ending with its penis, and then measure it. At the labor lessons at school, they told us this and showed it, I mean the barbell, not the penis. laughing
        Quote: Flatter
        The presence of more than one trace of drilling indicates a low professional level and production discipline.

        That's just the point that the layman drilled. Or he did not have a hammer with a core. Locksmith kindergarten level.
        1. Horon
          Horon 14 September 2018 16: 23
          +1
          And what, astronauts have forgotten how to use the barbell?

          Exactly, we immediately measured it, and information about the depth of the channel was issued a week later, after the hole was sealed! Or another option: each time they remove the cork in order to clarify the details of the opening: the length of the channel, its angular location relative to the inner wall, the possible taper and the presence of chips, as well as a bunch of options that come to mind techies on Earth!
          In the absence of this, you can stupidly use any object that fits into the hole, starting from the needle, and ending with your member and then measure

          It’s scary to imagine who you work with!
          They told us this at work lessons at school and showed

          Then it’s understandable, but with such practical baggage, isn’t it too bold to pretend to be an expert?
          Quote: Flatter
          The presence of more than one trace of drilling indicates a low professional level and production discipline.

          This does not confirm anything, except for the lack of sufficient information.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 September 2018 16: 33
            0
            Quote: Horon
            It’s scary to imagine who you work with!

            At the moment, I work part time by writing articles to order in Advego.
            Quote: Horon
            Then it’s understandable, but with such practical baggage, isn’t it too bold to pretend to be an expert?

            My practical baggage of a locksmith is about a quarter century old. It’s scary to imagine how many of these holes I have drilled.
            1. Horon
              Horon 14 September 2018 23: 24
              +1
              My practical baggage of a locksmith is about a quarter century old. It’s scary to imagine how many of these holes I have drilled.

              And what holes were drilled where? I don’t understand at all HOW did leak tests go there? Since I worked in that area and I know how they check for leaks there. There, devices respond not only to a poor welding seam, but even to the material from which they make seals and inner shells in the main material. Some clever men put ordinary rubber gaskets on auxiliary units and the tests failed even before they started. Checks go on each operation and after each obligatory test. And it's hard for me to imagine that the module was transferred to the assembly like a colander. This is no less fiction than a claustrophobic astronaut! What I don’t know is that the checks are already at the pre-launch assembly stage, but I doubt that there the mechanic is drilling something on their own. This is already mass production and (in theory) there is nothing to be finalized there, and if something is drilled somewhere or even finalized with a file, then a whole council is going there. Therefore, a lonely locksmith crawling in a finished ship with a drill for an advantage and drilling where no holes are hit, and not noticed by anyone - this is nonsense! If only agent 007! laughing There is another option that now the production of spacecraft is started by the patients of drug dispensaries, and the monitoring of the work carried out is carried out by patients of mental hospitals, who do not care what they put their signatures on. But this is also from the realm of fantasy, then the spacecraft would not even have reached space. Yes, there are all kinds of workers. but they are always checked by high-level specialists.
              Therefore, for me, in general, all the information that the media is now giving out to distillations is more like an absurdity theater. Regarding the mental abnormalities that occur in astronauts, one also does not need to be dropped from shields. Our teams of cosmonauts selected taking into account psychological compatibility, and sometimes, according to their recollections, they almost got to fights (maybe it did, but fighting in zero gravity is not convenient laughing ), and scandals and showdowns occurred on each expedition. but they don’t talk about it in the media. Let the experts understand now, and then they will punish anyone who follows, and they will tell us a digestible tale about a blind locksmith or something else from this series. lol
              PS All the same, they will not tell the truth to us, as always, but without reliable information, we can compose anything by supporting media ratings, visiting websites and improving viewing statistics! hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 September 2018 00: 04
                +2
                Quote: Horon
                And what holes were drilled where?

                Of course not. But there were situations when he himself calculated where to drill. Example: on the skin of the Urals there are more than 70 self-tapping screws. When the supplier said this, at first he did not believe me, I had to climb into the cabin with him, count through the holes, poking with my fingers. As a result, he advised him to reduce the number of screws, saying that I would put on 50. (saved).
                Quote: Horon
                I don’t understand at all HOW did leak tests go there?

                No idea. Personally, I checked gas tanks with soap under air pressure.
                Quote: Horon
                Therefore, a lonely locksmith crawling in a finished ship with a drill for an advantage and drilling where no holes are hit, and not noticed by anyone - this is nonsense!

                He put the same skin alone, when the authorities saw how I did it, the rzhach stood on the whole workshop. Estimate it, I propped it up with a hump, a drill in one hand, a screwdriver in the other, and self-tapping screws in my teeth. Not very convenient. Then I thought of propping up the lining with the boards that I put near the doors. He himself was inside, and no one bothered me until I screwed her. Could, if desired, perforate the entire cabin, and then putty. Do you know how I looked for holes in fire engines? To the light. He climbed inside the tank, and looked for holes, and then poked welded into them with his fingers. So that each profession has its own subtleties and secrets, I do not think that the locksmiths of the Star do not have their own subtleties.
                Quote: Horon
                we can compose anything

                But we compose on the basis of our own experience, and each one has his own. And so yes I agree. Many versions have a right to exist, personally the diameter of the drill bothers me, it hurts too thin. hi Such are used mainly by watchmakers, and repairmen of glasses.
                1. Horon
                  Horon 15 September 2018 22: 18
                  +2
                  But there were situations

                  In production, such tricks do not work. Not only the output product, but also components, materials and the process itself are subjected to verification. An extra hole is a marriage! Deviation from geometry above the permissible is a defect! Even any coating has its own tolerances for which God forbid to go, a refund is issued immediately! A lot of accompanying documentation goes to every detail and if a marriage is allowed, then a commission is assembled and decides not only whether it can be fixed and how, but also determines how to avoid this marriage in the future (the performer is not always guilty, the process itself is also incorrectly selected) or its not perfection).
                  No idea. Personally, I checked gas tanks with soap under air pressure.
                  And here I am, I know how it is and how they conduct leak tests. There is such a device - a leak detector. In fact, it is a vacuum pump capable of creating a high vacuum (up to hundredths and thousandths of a millimeter of a mercury column) combined with a highly sensitive device capable of reacting even to single atoms. They pump air out of the required volume, checked for leaks, and then begin to blow seams and seals with helium (helium atoms easily pass through materials). So, as soon as helium hits the metal walls of the products, the device does not weakly begin to rush, although in air it stands rooted to the spot. Even a metal seam that can withstand kerosene for weeks without stains does not guarantee that the leak detector will not find hidden shells and pores in it, and even more so adhesives based mainly on epoxy resin. There have been cases when a leak detector was triggered on hidden sinks in the base metal, located away from the seams, and not to find a hole (even covered with glue), this is fantastic at the stage of such tests.
                  Do you know how I looked for holes in fire engines? To the light. He climbed inside the tank, and looked for holes, and then poked welded into them with his fingers. So that each profession has its own subtleties and secrets, I do not think that the locksmiths of the Star do not have their own subtleties.

                  In ordinary enterprises, this happens all the time, and when the technologist stands above you, then checks the quality control department, and then you show it all to the customer’s representative - initiative will quickly disappear, especially if your bonus is%) and more than a percent of your salary she will be deprived for the slightest deviation from the technical process or from the documentation. Although the human factor has not yet been canceled, and therefore we are witnessing accidents even in an industry such as space. repeat
                  But we compose on the basis of our own experience, and each one has his own. And so yes I agree. Many versions have a right to exist, personally the diameter of the drill bothers me, it hurts too thin. hi Such are used mainly by watchmakers, and repairmen of glasses.

                  We are trying to understand on the basis of the information provided to us and our own experience, but with the information we really have problems. The diameter does not bother me, since such and fewer drills are used in electronics; the length expressed by one of the commentators bothers me:
                  Aleksandr21 (Alexander) Yesterday, 07:11
                  He explained that the hole was located in a place inconvenient for access, and for the drill to enter at an angle at which the hole was drilled, the drill itself should be half a meter from the ship’s wall.

                  “Of course, there is no such drill on the ISS,” the source added.

                  That is, on Earth there are drills with a diameter of 2 mm and a length of 500 mm !!! After reading this, here in captivity you will think about the quality of the information received. After this, you begin to look at any information with more than skepticism, especially after the open recognition of the former astronaut that they sometimes have a roof in orbit! Previously, this could only be read in memoirs associated with long flights and that is veiled. hi
  21. Varaga
    Varaga 14 September 2018 10: 50
    +2
    If all this had been thrown in by the "yellow press", there would have been nothing to think about. But everything here seems to be extremely serious.
    1. The fact of drilling (traces) is established.
    2. Photographing is not provided at the test bench. This is known, first of all, by the employees themselves.
    3. If we consider the media version that this was done by the Pind-Osovsky astronaut, nonsense (which is most likely), then one thing remains: "... And the Cossack is sent! .."
    4. In the light of the events of recent years, the "attention" of Western special services to our country has sharply increased. So maybe this "berry" of the same "field"? ..
  22. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R 14 September 2018 11: 55
    +1
    but I continue to insist that this is all kind of nonsense .. It does not happen.
  23. Flatter
    Flatter 14 September 2018 12: 36
    +1
    The media reported that the drilled hole was smeared with glue that fell off in space, after which the astronauts re-stuck this hole with their glue. Naturally, a check for sealing in the factory revealed nothing. The presence of more than one trace of drilling indicates a low professional level and production discipline.
  24. Horon
    Horon 14 September 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Aleksandr21,
    Information is thrown in stupidly. Who and at what level, what kind of sources is not clear! And if about "smoke without fire ...", then you can believe in the deserted cosmonauts-astronauts with bouts of claustraphobia in orbit! In order to draw any conclusions, you need to have a reliable source of information with the possibility of its clarification, but for now I see only complete nonsense from the media, where information changes in a wide range, up to a complete refutation. Therefore, "analysis" of such information does not make sense. The "smoke" that rushes through the media has become more like a fog that is used to cover up a real investigation.
  25. kakvastam
    kakvastam 14 September 2018 16: 06
    +1
    There is an assumption that all the facts voiced by journalists on this issue are the fruits of their own imagination.
  26. Panda catfishes
    Panda catfishes 14 September 2018 17: 51
    +1
    Diversion and sabotage begin (there is a version that the Americans drilled it on the ISS to return to the ground)) __ .. Remember before the collapse of the USSR what happened!
    We need to create our own station, we have all the possibilities .. (possible together with the Chinese) It would be nice!
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 14 September 2018 17: 53
    0
    Fuck knows what!
    Who's lying?
    Articles go one by one:
    14.09.2018 - 7: 24
    On the Soyuz ship did not find new tracks from the drill, - source

    and just printed
    14.09.2018 - 6: 26
    In a covering of "Union" found new marks from a drill, - mass media
  28. 1536
    1536 14 September 2018 18: 48
    +1
    And why not assume that an alien is wound up at the station and is mastering earthly hand tools. The drill is almost mastered. Next in line is the “Bulgarian” or a jigsaw?
    1. beeper
      beeper 14 September 2018 19: 52
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      And why not assume that an alien is wound up at the station and is mastering earthly hand tools. The drill is almost mastered. Next in line is the “Bulgarian” or a jigsaw?

      hi If there really is a hole with a diameter of 2 mm, then a full-sized drill (or small-sized dremel) is not needed! smile I still have a homemade micro-drill - "improvisation", made in the early 90s (when we only dreamed of dremels) from a small-sized electric motor from some aircraft device from a decommissioned aircraft, with a collet clamp mounted on its tiny roller. from a drawing compass, in which a drill with a diameter of either 1,8 or 2,0 mm is still clamped-axial dimension with a drill within 55-65 millimeters, transverse - about 30-35 mm, was powered from a school LATR through a diode bridge, and the torque developed by the engine made it possible to freely and quickly drill textolite and duralumin plates 3-5 mm thick ...
      With such a micro-drill (albeit powered by batteries), you can drill wherever you reach with your hand or tape it to any "arm extension" and thus drill in "inconvenience", there would be a desire, but the one who played a dirty trick in Soyuz, such a desire was clearly there. winked
  29. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 14 September 2018 20: 34
    0
    Pandorum is a mythical cosmic disease that arises from a long stay in space from a science fiction film of the same name.

    A man destroys everything without thinking that his actions will kill him.
  30. garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 September 2018 21: 35
    +1
    How were you able to inspect the anti-meteorite protection? Through the hole? Do you have tools for this at the station? 2mm endoscope? Or some flaw detector used? More questions than information.
  31. aiden
    aiden 15 September 2018 00: 29
    0
    I think they have already done this in orbit. If during the launch into orbit, then cracks from overloads and vibrations would go, and it would fall apart. It doesn’t look like cosmic dust either, would have pierced through and through, and possibly would have detonated. Yes, the bulges would remain. And so let the commissions sorted
  32. zenion
    zenion 15 September 2018 16: 24
    0
    The drill has no head.
  33. Horon
    Horon 23 September 2018 00: 16
    0
    Polymer,
    "Surgical" probes with a camera and a flashlight on the tip of a thin wire can now be found even in the garages of some craftsmen. So no surprise.

    That is, you want to say that they are there, knowing that they are losing air, also examined with a probe! Or maybe they also sawed off a piece of the wall themselves to check for chemical analysis? wassat