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Sofa troops on the exercises "East-2018"

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In Russia, at Vostok-18, strategic exercises (SU) are held at 2 land, air and sea training grounds, over most of the country’s territory, in 1 military districts (BBO and CVO) and 2018 USS “Sever”. Their scale is compared with the West-81 operational-strategic exercises, and it’s not quite right, because the strategic exercises occupy a much larger area and are three times as many in the total number of participants (if we take the official number of West-81 participants as truth, but this should not be done) or 1,5-2 times. In the "East" involved more than 300 thousand Russian, Chinese and Mongolian military personnel, more than 1100 aircraft (aircraft, helicopters, UAVs), more than 36 thousand units tanks, armored vehicles, artillery (of which more than 1,5 thousand tanks), 300 ships, submarines, boats and auxiliary vessels.


Sofa troops on the exercises "East-2018"


SU “Vostok” is unprecedented in scale and in comparison with the majority of Soviet large-scale exercises, even bloc ones, and in comparison with the previous ones, 2014 (2014, thousand people, 155, thousand units of armored vehicles and equipment) participated in “East-8”. weapons, 632 aircraft and 84 ship, submarine and boat or vessel). And 2010, thousands of people, 20 units of equipment, 2500 aircraft and 70 ships, boats, etc. took part in the Vostok-30 exercise. Besides, this time decent contingents of our Chinese and Mongolian friends and allies participate in our internal SS. . Moreover, the Chinese not only sent a reinforced mixed brigade, but also the headquarters of an army group, which is much more important - after all, the interaction of headquarters at this level of maneuvers to work out is invaluable. Moreover, it is stated that the Chinese will continue to participate in our events, and our troops in China. Apart from, of course, the joint SCO exercises.

The action is ambitious, the goals are set in a big way, and even a demonstration episode shown to the Supreme Commander and invited delegations and military attaches on the Tsugol training ground is no less than very large exercises of the Russian Armed Forces or NATO coalition exercises - more than 30 thousand participants, hundreds of pieces of equipment, more 250 aircraft. I was also impressed by the final parade after this most epic episode. We will not talk about the course of the teachings and ideas, it is still too early to draw conclusions. We will talk about perception.

If we talk about the show and the parade and frames from the ostentatious episode of maneuvers and the reaction to them on the Internet, then, in addition to enthusiastic (not always also adequate) and positive reviews, you can find that there is a fairly large group of viewer-commentators who are dissatisfied with everything in a row. We’ll immediately take into account that among the grumbling of these discontented, hysterical screeching is heard perfectly from the neighboring territory on which the Ukrainian SSR was once located - you can understand these, they are simply scared. When for 4 years “you have successfully restrained the entire Russian army” (although in reality everything that the APU met with is a small number of battalion tactical groups with a lot of artillery and without aviationbut they could not oppose anything to the “vacationers” - and they cannot, repeat it again) - and suddenly you suddenly see what it really is. And they are also envious, because, having 5 districts of the second strategic echelon of the USSR Armed Forces and everything that is supposed to be them, over 25 years of independence, they successfully razurasheni everyone to such a state that the problem is with spare parts, and with shells of many kinds, and with grenades and cartridges - and we pulled our army out of the pit into which we ourselves drove into the "saints" of the 90s. But the rest are our mournful alarmists, scanty, domestic, from under their native aspens and from their native sofas.

And yet they are wrong. Like, a lot of old technology. The T-72AV tanks even made out the T-62M — badly, they say, this is rearmament, since this old stuff returned to the army, which they had recently disposed of, during the times of Serdyukov and Makarov (which the same individuals were throwing mud at even worse, although partly for what). Obviously, T-XNUMHAB belong to combat training groups in the battalions of brigades, regiments in divisions participating in maneuvers. There and T-72 sample 72 g. ("Ural") are also found, as in the district training centers. And the T-1973M tanks were re-deployed at the CBRT — the central reserve bases of the technology, shortly before the beginning of the active phase of the Vostok, because for about a month now there are 62 exercises under a single design that are related to these strategic exercises. 16 of thousands of participants were the exercises of the material and technical support forces, one of the tasks of which was the re-entry and the transfer to the formation of large volumes of equipment, including these tanks. It is very likely that some of Shilka, which flashed in the frames of ZSU-36-23, also came from the TsRT, and many more. On this technique mobilized reservists are planted in the vernacular "partisans". By the way, the newly established permanent reserve should be used at these exercises, but so far no information has been received on this topic yet. And no one will put reservists on equipment with which they are unfamiliar.

Moreover, what seems to someone to be "old" is not necessarily so completely. So, SAU "Gvozdika", "Acacia", "Hyacinth-C" and "Malka", participating in these exercises, are mostly equipped with ASUNO, and this makes them quite adequate weapons.

But there was enough T-72B of the 1985 model and later - the 1989 model, and T-72BA and modernized T-72БХNNUMX mod. 3 and T-2011B72-UBH model 3 g. In general, there is a lot of modern technology on maneuvers. This AAMS S2016 and C-400PM300 and C-2V300 and SAM "Buk-M4" and "Buk-M3" SAM "Tor-M2" and "Thor M2U" ZRPK "Carapace-S2". And the 2C2М19 self-propelled guns, often incorrectly called "Msta-SM" and BMD-2M, and light airborne assault amphibious tanks, called the Sprut-SD self-propelled anti-tank guns 4C2. And Iskander-M missile systems. And, too, is full of new cars in the air - the Ka-25, Mi-52AMTSH, Su-8S and Su-35SM bombers Su-30, etc. Alternatively, the modernized Su-34SM / SM25 bombers Su-2M "Hephaestus" and. Tu-24M22 also upgraded and more. But alarmists in the “patriot” togas do not care. Like the abundance of UAVs in exercises and in general in the military - now our army possesses the second largest unmanned aircraft fleet in the world, and more recently it was inferior to many European collapsed armies in terms of this indicator, and even more so in the modernity of this park. The equipment of the soldiers in the “Warrior” kits is also not noticed, with the modern communication means “Azart”, the best body armor in the world (3B6 and 43B6 are such in the class of army bulletproof vests). But they will notice if some, say, artillerymen or servicemen of anti-aircraft missile forces of the air defense or military air defense on their heads turn out to be the Soviet US-45 or the upgraded US-6M instead of the 47B6М7 helmet. That is, those who, by and large, do not care what to cover the head.

At the same time, these same people set the example of the Chinese comrades, they say, this is the one who has the latest equipment and equipment. Obviously, this is some kind of disease - chicken blindness, apparently. The fact that the Chinese comrades, along with their new, but very dubious quality, models of equipment (no offense, but the Chinese tank ZTZ-99, which participates in the "East" can not be attributed to the masterpieces of tank building, if not worse). such as the non-modernized clone of the BMP-1 (they went to the modernized car on the “Suvorov onslaught”) were also brought — they did not notice. As well as the fact that the Chinese army traditionally does without body armor. Because body armor for the whole army, even if the fragmentation is fragile. A bulletproof, from automatic and rifle bullets - much more expensive.

In addition, speaking of the "old", we must note that the BBO and, to a lesser extent, the Central Military District still do not belong to the priority in terms of rearmament and "creeping mobilization", when divisions are created on the basis of a number of brigades, resulting in the saturation of troops with heavy equipment in particular, artillery and tanks, is growing. In general, new technology began to come in BBO only a few years ago. And it is clear why - the People's Republic of China and Mongolia can be considered among our good friends and allies, these borders are peaceful, just as the DPRK’s aggression is not to be feared. Supporters of conspiracy-psychiatric theories about China, who are asleep and see the seizure of Siberia and their death under thousands of tactical nuclear munitions - pass by and do not miss a sedative and consultation schedule with your doctor. But in the west of the country we have a whole bunch of "friends" and "partners" for whom the sword quaver is needed, including from heavy compounds, and the equipment there is needed more up-to-date.

And the most unpleasant thing is that exactly the same as from couch superpatriots suffering for the unfortunate Fatherland, only more delusional maxims will surely flow in a muddy stream in the Western press, about “naphthalene tanks and planes”, “straining demonstration of outdated power” and other nonsense. We, having read these "revelations" later on InoSMI, just laugh. And in this way they will hide their fear already, putting the saving noodles to the philistine on their ears. And he will believe - they continue to believe in the crazy “foolish” about Skripale and a couple of “GRU agents” from the fitness center. But you, gentlemen, comrades, couch superpatriots from different sites, publics, forums and blogs, have you turned out to be an opponent, as if you were practically no longer conditional, but quite real?
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  1. Sadko88
    Sadko88 17 September 2018 10: 17
    +5
    The sofa is the highest authority in a number of Islamic states; also the title of head of this body. Zaezdali name without understanding the original meaning
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 17 September 2018 10: 43
      +26
      Sofa "warriors"

      Generals of Divan Battles
      A dangerous place is a cozy bedroom.
      In a housecoat - the military commander.
      In the hand is a can of beer, in the other is the back of the shrimp,
      The rations are perfect in sofa intelligence.
      Opposite the sofa - the layouts of battles,
      Large TV with cool resolution.
      In it, the krovochka pours a wide river,
      There are dead people in it high mountain ...
      The strategist shakes with an iron can -
      There aren’t enough guns and tanks in the fields!
      When volunteers go on the offensive,
      When the miners flock out of the rifles
      And Putin is really losing ground ?!
      Well, I would, eh, I would decide everything at once.
      Would go on the attack - so fearless
      The whole world would put in hand to hand combat
      Divisions b moved, shot a missile
      And infamous vorogov bent to shame.
      Well, who is fighting like that - mediocre and stupid?
      Sofa warrior yells, as if in a shout.
      Blushed cheeks blush with anger ...
      Vladimir Liseenko
      1. Logall
        Logall 17 September 2018 11: 34
        -3
        A little in defiance of the "stuck" author:
        In reserve for conservation are those units that should replace the destroyed or out of order modern units. And now, some time after the outbreak of the war, Armata, T-90, T-72 and others came to the battlefield to inspire the enemy T-62 to replace the battlefield ...
        The reserve should also be worthy, and most importantly - the relevant modern realities ...!
        1. KOCMOC
          KOCMOC 17 September 2018 13: 19
          -2
          Quote: Logall
          destroyed

          I wonder who will destroy them, who is the brave aggressor?
          Quote: Logall
          The reserve should also be worthy, and most importantly - the relevant modern realities ...!

          And what is more important, retirement age or a decent reserve?
        2. sib.ataman
          sib.ataman 17 September 2018 13: 28
          +3
          Your mistake! Not for a shift, but for the deployment of a mobile reserve! This topic, apparently, is not familiar to you? Didn’t you even serve in the army?
          And instead of retiring on the battlefields, the newly made ones will go from the factory shops! Here it is where the people and the army are united! Everything for the front, everything for the victory! Like during WWII! And we have screaming rya-urya !!! Tractor plants continue to shut down (Vladimirsky and Lipetskiy! Of course, this is not UVZ, but will he have enough bzduha to immediately give large volumes ?!)!
          1. Logall
            Logall 17 September 2018 15: 31
            +3
            Quote: sib.ataman
            Didn’t you even serve in the army?

            Only an urgent term, but a driver of caterpillar tractors and transports ... And I know how long it will take to re-conserve military equipment. And a lot of equipment will be loaded at first, and you will have to fight with reserves ... (Provided that the planet can survive. Well, or in the case of a global, but not nuclear conflict)
          2. Forestol
            Forestol 17 September 2018 17: 30
            -2
            I would gladly agree with you on the account of the mobile reserve, but vague doubts gnaw at me, all the warehouse of the mobile reserve, in large cities, have long been sold to the Moscow Region. The state reserve belongs to the FSB, nominally, and it has other functions. Since mobilization measures are classified information, it is neither possible to confirm nor deny.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 September 2018 14: 04
          +7
          Quote: Logall
          In reserve for conservation are those units that should replace the destroyed or out of order modern units. And now, some time after the outbreak of the war, Armata, T-90, T-72 and others came to the battlefield to inspire the enemy T-62 to replace the battlefield ...

          When the equipment from the storage bases will be mothballed by mobilized reservists, assembled into units and formations and thrown into battle, then it will meet with the same reservists from that side. Or with an empty spot - because the same Germany completely sold its tanks of the mobile reserve.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 17 September 2018 22: 14
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            When the equipment from the storage bases will be mothballed by mobilized reservists, assembled into units and formations and thrown into battle, then it will meet with the same reservists from that side.

            This is one point. Another point is that in the current exercises (as, by the way, in the Zapad-81 exercises), the same 62s were used as targets.
        4. kakvastam
          kakvastam 17 September 2018 14: 13
          +3
          Quote: Logall
          which should replace the destroyed or out of order modern units.

          And I, by a sinful thing, thought that their purpose was to equip the connections deployed during the mobilization period ...
          1. KOCMOC
            KOCMOC 17 September 2018 14: 26
            -1
            Sofa generals are going to fight in past wars. I wonder which country the army will be able to invade the borders of Russia and will be able to conduct tank battles after a nuclear strike on the concentration of troops, communications, warehouses and the territory of the aggressor?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 17 September 2018 16: 36
              +2
              Quote: KOCMOC
              I wonder which country the army will be able to invade the borders of Russia and will be able to conduct tank battles after a nuclear strike on the concentration of troops, communications, warehouses and the territory of the aggressor?

              Our eastern neighbor, for example. For ten years, China and I have changed relations from friendship to hatred.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 22 September 2018 23: 20
              +1
              Quote: KOCMOC
              I wonder which country the army will be able to invade the borders of Russia and will be able to conduct tank battles after a nuclear strike on the concentration of troops, communications, warehouses and the territory of the aggressor?

              For example, when defending the Kaliningrad Special Defensive Region, the RF is unlikely to use tactical nuclear weapons against Americans and Poles concentrated in Poland ...
        5. ppgt90
          ppgt90 17 September 2018 19: 24
          +2
          To the diving wise guy. In order for the reserve to be worthy, and most importantly, consistent with modern realities, the troops must be completely re-equipped with modern weapons. And not only rearmament, but have undergone appropriate training. Here they have already answered you, which is more important, retirement age or a decent reserve. Rupees for a hundred I give that the author is more dear to his age, he wants passion for retirement from birth. I’ll say for myself that the reserve is more important to me. There will be no reserve and pension, too, will not be AT ALL.
        6. Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 September 2018 19: 27
          +3
          Quote: Logall
          And now, some time after the outbreak of the war, Armata, T-90, T-72 and others came to the battlefield to inspire the enemy T-62 to replace the battlefield

          Well, put the called-up reservist in the tank, which was designed 15 years after he retired and see what happens.
        7. Strategia
          Strategia 18 September 2018 20: 27
          0
          And now, some time after the outbreak of the war, Armata, T-90, T-72 and others came to the battlefield to inspire the enemy T-62 to replace the battlefield ...

          I repeat one thought of the author of the article: T-62 will come from the CBRT for newly formed compounds, which are equipped with human mobilization resources, which at one time served precisely on the models of the old-generation arms and military equipment. In order to teach specialists on modern and modernized T-72, it takes time, which is not enough in the framework of combat coordination. Therefore, such a mixed equipment of connections - constant readiness and newly deployed.
      2. BAI
        BAI 17 September 2018 16: 27
        +1
        Most of all in this picture, I like the mention of an enemy cat.
    2. Xenofont
      Xenofont 17 September 2018 11: 09
      0
      The sofa-word Turkish in the past meant the Turkish version of the Council of Ministers under the Sultan.
  2. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 17 September 2018 10: 23
    0
    It is not clear what the author wanted to say. Boasted of military knowledge? Showed the achievements of the military-industrial complex? Have you read a prayer for the rise of the Russian economy? Or lectured the Russians? Vyatkin. It is not necessary to consider Russians as opponents of Russia. All opponents already have a second and third citizenship, property abroad and evacuate their money and relatives there. The Russians are waiting for any victories over the West. And if Russia does not have these achievements, what does the pessimist have to do with it? And if anyone is called a pessimist, it’s the author.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 September 2018 10: 28
      -12
      Quote: Mr Credo
      It is not clear what the author wanted to say. Boasted of military knowledge? Showed the achievements of the military-industrial complex? Have you read a prayer for the rise of the Russian economy? Or lectured the Russians? Vyatkin. It is not necessary to consider Russians as opponents of Russia. All opponents already have a second and third citizenship, property abroad and evacuate their money and relatives there. The Russians are waiting for any victories over the West. And if Russia does not have these achievements, what does the pessimist have to do with it? And if anyone is called a pessimist, it’s the author.

      The article is clearly written by the current member of the EP, while being in the Maldives ... laughing
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 17 September 2018 10: 37
        +12
        Every man to his own taste. I liked the article. Here is another link to an interesting article
        https://topcor.ru/1853-kto-nedovolen-pobedami-rossii.html
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 September 2018 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: Mister Creed
      The Russians are waiting for any victories over the West. And if Russia does not have these achievements, what does the pessimist have to do with it?

      Do you propose starting Java from the USA? There are victories.
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 17 September 2018 10: 25
    -1
    It is not clear what the author wanted to say in this article ... is that those who discuss, criticize and express their own opinions, doubts about the state of affairs in the army, the country, are people who are on the side of the enemy? And those who enthusiastically talk about the power of the Russian economy, army, government are the real patriots of Russia?
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 17 September 2018 10: 38
      -8
      Quote: Svarog
      It is not clear what the author wanted to say with this article ..

      Well, what's not clear here? - another "propaganda" article about those who criticize the ruling party in Russia and its president - they are all pseudo-patriots and liberals, then we need to cover more broadly - everyone who has iPhones - imported auto savings in foreign currency - imported office equipment, etc. - all of them are false patriots and liberals, but the remaining 500000 people in the Russian Federation are real citizens who love their country.
      1. Faceless
        Faceless 17 September 2018 11: 15
        +13


        “It is not clear what the author wanted to say with this article ..

        Well, what's not clear here? - another "propaganda" article about those who criticize the ruling party in Russia and its president - they are all pseudo-patriots and liberals, then we need to cover more broadly - everyone who has iPhones - imported auto savings in foreign currency - imported office equipment, etc. - all of them are false patriots and liberals, but the remaining 500000 people in the Russian Federation are real citizens who love their country.


        When you read such comments, sometimes doubts about your own adequacy ...
        What is the ruling party? What does it mean iPhones, cars, imported equipment, savings in foreign currency? ..

        An article about past military exercises, about the technique that was used there, about the attitude of some commentators to the coverage of these exercises. All. What does the President of Russia have to do with it?

        Apparently, indeed, there is a category of people who in any article see only what they want, or that they have pain. Recently, a whole layer of commentators everywhere introduced pension reform: Syria - it would be better if pensions were raised, Nord Stream - it would be better if you raised pensions, Ukraine - what to do with it, better if you raised pensions ...

        Here's a different approach: Teachings garbage - but iPhones and pseudo-patriots - this is a problem.

        It seems that either the comment was written on the wrong article, or ... I will leave the end without specifics, because linguistic and medical calculations can be perceived incorrectly.
    2. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 September 2018 10: 40
      +16
      As I understand it, the author wanted to say about prejudice of views when a person selects one thing, point blank without noticing the other.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 17 September 2018 10: 50
        -9
        Quote: igorbrsv
        the author wanted to say about prejudice when a person highlights one thing, point blank without noticing the other

        after such an interpretation - "you may find that there is a fairly large group of viewer-commentators who are unhappy with everything in a row. We’ll immediately take into account that among the grumbling of these discontented, hysterical screeching sounds are heard from the neighboring territory, which was once the Ukrainian SSR"to take seriously the author's reasoning is simply pointless, as the bias itself is off scale on the border with rudeness
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 17 September 2018 11: 07
          +8
          And what is he wrong about?))) Read comments at least where. YouTube a bunch of videos, there gentlemen from the Independent crap under each hundred posts
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 17 September 2018 11: 38
            -5
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            And what is he wrong about?)))

            in what I posted on VO and it is necessary on the censor
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          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 17 September 2018 11: 41
            -4
            Quote: A.Kaledin
            0
            And here Ukrainians pulled themselves up :)))

            besides insults, to say essentially is what?
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 17 September 2018 12: 21
      +5
      So then it is necessary to criticize everyone, with the mind, and not without it. Criticize - offer, Suggest - Do.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 September 2018 19: 31
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      It is not clear what the author wanted to say in this article ... is that those who discuss, criticize and express their own opinions, doubts about the state of affairs in the army, the country, are people who are on the side of the enemy?

      Criticism should be reasonable, not on the principle "a pig will find dirt everywhere." I remember very well the same "patriotic critics" in the USSR.
  4. gorenina91
    gorenina91 17 September 2018 10: 48
    -2
    -The impression is that the Chinese headquarters is in charge of these exercises and ... and "supervises" both its own troops and the Russian and Mongolian ones too ...
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 17 September 2018 11: 23
      +5
      And in more detail about the prerequisites for such impressions, is it possible? Justify it more fully, so to speak ... And it looks like an unfounded blunder. hi
  5. Henderson
    Henderson 17 September 2018 11: 03
    -3
    We, after reading these "revelations" later on Inosmi, just laugh.

    This is the key point of the entire article, which shows the level of "competence" of the author. He is not even able to take information directly from primary sources, he has to be content with distorted information from Inosmi. The classic low-level propagandist.
    I would like to tell the author that the primary task of a real journalist is to convey objective information to people without any bias. And not at all "laugh" at the crooked translation from the jaundiced edition.
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 17 September 2018 11: 58
      +4
      1) There is nothing wrong with propaganda.
      2) And here is journalism in the analytics section? Do you want journalism, read newspapers, watch TV.
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 17 September 2018 12: 00
        -5
        Quote: TAMBU
        1) There is nothing wrong with propaganda

        There is. Propaganda distorts reality.

        Quote: TAMBU
        2) And here is journalism in the analytics section? Do you want journalism, read newspapers, watch TV.

        Topvar is officially registered Media, no different in status from newspapers and TV.
        And yes, I want objective journalism, and not streams of consciousness according to Goebbels's testaments.
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU 17 September 2018 15: 14
          +1
          Propaganda cannot distort reality as these are completely different concepts. It cannot influence reality at all. Propaganda is spreading ideas. Reality - a philosophical concept, this, like everything else in this world, is a product of dialectical logic - it can be objective and subjective. Propaganda can spread your version of understanding "reality", and maybe "false". Can spread "reality" according to Hegel. Propaganda is a tool. Without understanding the essence of the teachings being disseminated and the one in whose hands this instrument is, it is impossible for a sane person to say that propaganda is "good" or "bad". It's like saying that this hammer is bad because it is made in the Russian Federation, and this one is good because it is German. The task of propaganda is to disseminate a specific view or teaching. The news is the same. The media is a tool. The task of the media is to describe events. About what standards and what tasks are set for themselves by those in whose hands this tool is a separate question. All of the above regarding propaganda also applies to the media.

          Well, a little from Wiki - "... the word propaganda has a negative connotation in the countries of the Germanic language group (Germany, England, USA, etc.), in which it is often associated with lies, deliberate distortion of facts, etc." In fact, this is not so ...
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 17 September 2018 16: 49
            -1
            Quote: TAMBU
            Propaganda cannot distort reality since these are completely different concepts.

            Well this is that. Propaganda is exactly what the distortion of reality.
            Read the definition:
            Propaganda (lat. Propaganda literally - “subject to distribution (faith)”, from lat. Propago - “distribute”) - in modern political discourse is understood as an open distribution of views, facts, arguments and other information, including intentionally distorted and misleading, to form public opinion or other goals pursued by propagandists.
            This is exactly what is being done in this propaganda article. Alas, alas, it has nothing to do with objective journalism.
            1. TAMBU
              TAMBU 17 September 2018 18: 27
              +1
              I have already answered you regarding the "common opinion" on this issue. There are slightly fewer main interpretations and interpretations of this term than there are interpretations of the term "fascism". Everyone chooses a convenient one for themselves due to their worldview ...
              Once again - you made the wrong section. This is the "Analytics" section in which the author can publish his analysis based on the received data. The news section is nearby.

              Propaganda is also information. It should not be objective.
              About the fact that the "reality" of "reality" strife, you still did not understand by giving me an excerpt from Wikipedia, without understanding either the issue of propaganda or my arguments. Usually, the dispute disappears as soon as people are determined with terms. Therefore, I suggest you define the term "reality" and "propaganda". I personally use a term from BES ...

              and what does this mean "including" in this amazing paragraph ... and how to distinguish between those propaganda that, among other things, is deliberately misleading and that which does not, for example, spread useful knowledge ...
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 17 September 2018 18: 53
                +1
                Quote: TAMBU
                Once again - you have a wrong section. This is the "Analytics" section in which the author can publish his analysis based on the received data.

                Analysis and propaganda are completely different things. Analysis must be objective, just like the news. This is the difference from propaganda.
                Therefore, this article is not an analysis.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 September 2018 19: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Henderson
                  Analysis must be objective, just like news.

                  And this is an objective analysis. Some citizens.
  6. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 17 September 2018 11: 06
    +2
    Vision is selective. Everyone sees what he wants to see. And the sofa is, as it were, safer than a real service. Sitting looking for old cars is certainly a fun activity, but where to get new ones instead? Rearmament is not a sprint, it is a marathon.
  7. Waldemar
    Waldemar 17 September 2018 11: 18
    -2
    That is, reservists were planted on the technique that they already know? Did I understand correctly? I wonder why there is no plan to teach a new one?
    1. Usher
      Usher 18 September 2018 23: 52
      0
      Have you been to the partisans? laughing
  8. Masya masya
    Masya masya 17 September 2018 11: 28
    +5
    . And in this way they will already hide their fear, hanging saving noodles to the average man on the ears.

    nerves to treat them, and then thighs are poured with boiling water ... forgive God ...
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 17 September 2018 20: 04
      +7
      Quote: Masya Masya
      nerves to treat them, and then thighs are poured with boiling water ... forgive God ...

      I agree! Short but capacious!
  9. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 17 September 2018 11: 52
    +6
    “Patriotism should not blind us; love of homeland is the action of a clear mind, and not blind passion; and, regretting those people who look at things only from the wrong side, never see the good and always complain, we do not want to go to the other extreme; we don’t want to assure ourselves that Russia is already at the highest level of good and perfection. ” Karamzin
  10. Glock High
    Glock High 17 September 2018 12: 27
    +2
    Of course, there are a lot of eternally whining ones ... It's not that you can't criticize, the point is that whiners see only negative things. Yes, there are drawbacks, but more achievements. And the eternally whining ones are dangerous that they themselves see the negative and agitate others, and then "we did not know, it was not us, we were deceived, misled, so we are all a herd about ## whether the USSR, though this did not teach us anything, what you take from the vegetables, we again want to ruin everything and wait for miracles from the new king, and we ourselves will sit and wait for victories over the west, swelling and let only the new king do us beautifully break everything, well, of course we'll get drunk "
  11. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 17 September 2018 14: 03
    +2
    I have nothing against the point of view of the author! But here is a moment with reservists (not to be confused with partisans!), Somehow modestly walked around. Meanwhile, no one has yet canceled the world wars and mass armies! Everyone has been preparing for the first quite realistically since 2015, and the second moment — the massive armies — even with the example of Syria, it can be seen that while the SAA fought alone, it could not oppose the IGilovites, because their formations were to a much greater extent a mass army! But for our country, with its colossal territory, the presence of a militarily trained population is a matter of life and death, if there is a world war! And where is this military training population? There is no NVP a long time ago (what is is not even a kindergarten!), Most of the military departments in universities were closed! A year of service to the recruits left! And where will these very clever uncles get the trained recruits from? Learn at the front in battle? How to stack heads in packs? This time, this process will be much faster!
    So, in this regard, the author is not just a gap, but a gaping hole!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 September 2018 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: sib.ataman
      Meanwhile, no one has yet canceled the world wars and mass armies!

      Yes how to say
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 September 2018 19: 22
    -2
    Moreover, the Chinese not only sent a reinforced mixed brigade, but also the headquarters of the army group, which is much more important - after all, the interaction of the headquarters at such a level of maneuvers to work out is priceless.

    But this is a strategic puncture. Because the Chinese, under certain conditions, are the first candidates for the division of the Far East.
  13. Masterzserg
    Masterzserg 17 September 2018 20: 08
    +2
    Good article. After all, how are we? the more indignant and critical you are, the smarter you are and stand out from the herd. Only this is not so. This is called a grouchy grandmother at the entrance, we have half of the country ...
  14. ufpb
    ufpb 17 September 2018 21: 00
    0
    once there was the Ukrainian SSR - you can understand these, they are simply scared. When for 4 years you have been "successfully holding back the entire Russian army" (although in reality all that the Armed Forces of Ukraine met with was a small number of battalion tactical groups with a large amount of artillery and without aviation, but they could not oppose anything to the "vacationers" - and cannot, repeat this again) - and suddenly you suddenly see what it really is. And they are also jealous, because, having 5 districts of the second strategic echelon of the USSR Armed Forces and everything that relies on them, for 25 years of independence, they have successfully de-Ukrainianred everything to such a state,
    The author’s awareness made fun. There have never been 5 districts in Ukraine. There were 3 districts - PrikVO, Odessa and Kiev.
  15. Usher
    Usher 18 September 2018 23: 50
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: KOCMOC
    I wonder which country the army will be able to invade the borders of Russia and will be able to conduct tank battles after a nuclear strike on the concentration of troops, communications, warehouses and the territory of the aggressor?

    Our eastern neighbor, for example. For ten years, China and I have changed relations from friendship to hatred.

    An example of blindness, ONLY what everyone expressed in the article, and you are again on the same rake)))) Apparently the pan on the head is in the way?
  16. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 22 September 2018 09: 22
    0
    Why is the T-62 bad? In Syria, pretty good showing. Modernization of the T-62 makes it a completely modern tank. Why throw money away?