We underestimate the Ukrainian army and beyond?

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The fifth year comes, as they make fun of the servicemen of the Ukrainian army, who then themselves explode in their own minefields, then die from a drug overdose in the trenches, then eat snakes caught in the nearest ravine or unsuccessfully test Molotov mortars.

However, an important detail is missing behind all these reviews: a huge number of problems in the Ukrainian army, but nevertheless over the past four years, including with the help of NATO instructors and representatives of the special services, they managed to create an openly hostile in relation to Russia armed conglomerate. This is an association of people, a large percentage of whom hate with fierce hatred everything that is at least somehow connected with Russia, and against the background of hatred of their own authorities, driving them into the mouth of the civil war, called by Kiev “the Russian hybrid”.



Under the conditions of total corruption, the half-starved army of Ukraine is consolidating on openly Russophobic propaganda, arming itself with lethal weapons, is trained and trained as much as possible. Volunteer corps provide radical formations with literally everything: from toilet paper to optical sights of the latest modifications. Throw funds compassionate russophobes from outside the Russian Federation "to the rebel struggle."

The Ukrainian army, from recently scattered and demoralized, burning in boilers, at different stages of the “execution” of the Minsk agreements, has obviously become more equipped and stronger. How ready is this equipment to manifest is a question that can actually cost thousands of human lives, and no one is going to count these lives in Kiev. APU can be underestimated further, but how expensive can it cost?

We underestimate the Ukrainian army and beyond?


Information for note: The Armed Forces of Ukraine started preparing equipment for reservists. It is noted that 100% tanks The T-72, which underwent modernization at Ukrainian enterprises, was equipped with the 5th reserve corps brigade. Reservists developed tank control skills during tactical exercises, which were observed by military attaches of foreign countries. The exercises were held at the Goncharovsky military training ground.

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  1. +36
    13 September 2018 15: 06
    Hitler also West armed in record time.
    There was no army, from the word "absolutely". And in the end - the world is on fire
    1. +2
      13 September 2018 15: 12
      The Ukrainian army from more recently disparate and demoralized, burning in boilers, at different stages of the "execution" of the Minsk agreements, it has obviously become more equipped and stronger.
      Until the next boiler will "improve morally"
      1. +1
        13 September 2018 19: 00
        But misfortunes can be done.
    2. +34
      13 September 2018 15: 55
      And our lads chanted at rallies that the working people of Germany would not go against the Soviet state. Let's go. And they walked famously until they washed themselves in a bloody yushka. Shapkozakidatelstvoe coupled with the romanticization of proletarian solidarity is not gud. hi
      1. +5
        14 September 2018 07: 05
        Clearly and correctly! I can add that before the USSR, jokes about "one plane and a sick pilot" were told about the PRC!
      2. 0
        15 September 2018 12: 44
        Another way to bring to life our young and young generation, until it is washed in a bloody yushka, there is no alternative. The big problem is breaking the continuity of generations. Evidence is not needed here, just look around. For this reason, the manufacturing sector of the economy is bent, because there is no one to work for, because the majority is aimed exclusively at freebies, or at all to escape somewhere .. If this is not stopped, the consequences will be very severe, if not catastrophic.
      3. 0
        19 September 2018 09: 36
        interestingly washed, having lost 10limons. against our 30ti. some blasphemy so flaunt and fool against the background of losses 1 to 3. don’t you find?
    3. +7
      13 September 2018 16: 20
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      Hitler also West armed in record time.


      Hitler armed himself by creating the best design school in the world and defense enterprises in the world.
      The West only gave him money for which a fascist war machine was created and it took almost a decade of peaceful development filled with Western money. By modernity and technological effectiveness, the German army was tens of times ahead of all the countries of the world before the 1939 war.

      German fascism and tufted Bandera are completely different things. Here terrorist attacks and civilians Bandera perfectly know how to fight with the regular army, it turns into a rout.
      1. 0
        13 September 2018 18: 19
        Quote: lopvlad
        tufted banderism is completely different things

        Bandera ... It seems to me that in the event of a military conflict, no one will get away with phrases like: "Wait a minute!" with raising his hand in a famous gesture. Photography is well developed, and computer programs are able to find and identify any "involved".
        Regarding the phrase:
        We underestimate the Ukrainian army and beyond?

        Perhaps it will be more accurate:
        Underestimate the Russian army? Then the arctic fox will come to you ...
      2. 0
        13 September 2018 20: 40
        Quote: lopvlad
        German fascism and tufted Banderism are completely different things.

        Well yes. And the pipe is lower and the smoke is thinner. In addition, they are imprisoned exclusively against Russia, and perhaps they do not pray to Z. Europe.
      3. +5
        14 September 2018 03: 37
        Quote: lopvlad
        the best design school in the world


        To change the inner skating rink to "Tiger", you need to remove the ENTIRE outer row, half of the second and remove a few more from the third.

        Quote: lopvlad
        ahead of all countries of the world


        ZiS 2, 57 mm. Why was removed / stopped from production?

        Only for Speers, Schmeisers and others von Browns to tell. Yeah.
        1. +2
          14 September 2018 05: 39
          Fau1, fau2, the first guided bomb, the first fighter jet, the first assault rifle, a submarine of the 21st series, night vision devices on panthers. Ahead of all the countries of the world and this is true.
          1. +2
            14 September 2018 15: 13
            Quote: Clever man
            Fau1, Fau2,

            very dubious projects given the cost and effectiveness.
            Quote: Clever man
            first fighter jet

            did you want to say the first prototype? in the series did not go. that is, it was never made serial. the first serial from the British.
            Quote: Clever man
            first assault rifle

            do you mean the machine? then the first is Fedorov (1913-1916)
            if about machines for an intermediate cartridge, then again the achievement is not one of the most outstanding.
            Quote: Clever man
            21st series submarine

            umm ... is this an outstanding name? or application history?
            Quote: Clever man
            panther night vision devices.

            1939-1941 year. BT7 with night vision devices. google wink
            Quote: Clever man
            Ahead of all the countries of the world and this is true.

            you need to be a very stubborn germphile to "really be so" wassat
      4. mvg
        +1
        14 September 2018 14: 43
        all countries of the world dozens of times

        What 10 times, and in what? Spitfires are no worse than the Messerschmitt, French and Czech tanks are at least no worse than the Pz.1, Pz.2, British and American ships are better than their German counterparts, the British and Italians had jet engines, the American and English bombers are also better than the Junkers and Dornier ... So what is better, especially 10 times?
      5. +2
        14 September 2018 18: 11
        Quote: lopvlad
        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
        Hitler also West armed in record time.


        Hitler armed himself by creating the best design school in the world and defense enterprises in the world.
        The West only gave him money for which a fascist war machine was created and it took almost a decade of peaceful development filled with Western money. By modernity and technological effectiveness, the German army was ten times ahead of all the countries of the world before the 1939 war

        Hitler funded usurers-bankers of one hitozado breed
        Quote: lopvlad
        German fascism and tufted Banderism are completely different things.

        the most interesting thing is that this, as you say, hahlyah Banderism actually has Jewish roots.
        Stepan Bandera is a baptized Jew.
        Roman Shukhevych as well.
        all the current Bandera-fascists in Ukraine, Parashenki-Waltzmanns, Nicknames-Ethinsons, Turchinovs-Kogans, Timashenks-Kaptelmans, including ardent Nazis Tyagniboki-Frotmans, Yaroshi, Semenchenki, etc. they are all Jewish blood
        1. -6
          14 September 2018 19: 13
          That's why you are engaged in provocation? After all, neither you nor the authors of the libels you have read have any real evidence that the Jews financed Hitler !! But there are documents on deliveries of the widest range of raw materials from the USSR to Germany until the last day. And you want to say that Stalin did not know which regime he was delivering the goods to? But why don’t you remember about 2 millions of Soviet citizens of non-Jewish nationality who served in the Wehrmacht?
          Before anyone presenting something or blaming someone for something, it would be nice to look in the mirror at your own face !!!
          1. +1
            15 September 2018 12: 55
            Quote: Orakul2000
            some real evidence that

            of course not. And if you throw out of your speech is not written in Russian, then we see that not a single evidence ..? Or does the surname Waltzman have a very small relation to the powder? What is your state, if it was politically expedient, how many ordinary Jews you want to bury silently can know for a long time. We don’t mind - your people. Just do not scream so loudly about the Holocaust (and about the Holocaust).
          2. 0
            18 September 2018 12: 43
            Quote: Orakul2000
            why don’t you remember about almost 2 million Soviet citizens of non-Jewish nationality who served in the Wehrmacht?


            And 100000 people of Jewish origin who served in the Wehrmacht are not your people?
            And yet, by the way, about provocations? why did the Jew of Bandera kill the burns and hang his Jews in Ukraine? not because in Odessa the Jew Mosiychuk shot at his own, and Semyon Semenchenki, Tyagniboki-Frottmany, Yaroshi?
          3. 0
            18 September 2018 12: 54
            Quote: Orakul2000
            Before anyone presenting something or blaming someone for something, it would be nice to look at your face yourself in the mirror!

            Zionism is trying to foment a world war. All recent major wars, as well as political and financial crises, are organized by leaders of Jewish origin, in order to get a gesheft from this
    4. Cat
      +1
      14 September 2018 08: 39
      There was no army, from the word "absolutely".

      It was - 100000. Moreover, in conditions of total unemployment in the Weimar Republic, the best were selected there. At least almost all officers and non-commissioners are World War 1 veterans. This was the cadre of the future Wehrmacht.
      1. 0
        14 September 2018 23: 20
        I am aware of this.
        But in an era when 5 divisions did not decide anything - this army is nothing more than parade units for shagistiki on the parade ground.
        Until they began to arm and turn a blind eye to the entry of these troops into the demilitarized zones.
        I’ll keep silent about the complete absence of the fleet. As well as the ban on having modern weapons (which the West put high on)
  2. +13
    13 September 2018 15: 08
    No one appreciates it, otherwise there would be no lost stray Russian border guards and military from the Crimea, there would be no victims among the militias. But it’s not worth praising it. This is a job for specialists. The ongoing conflict is a two-edged sword that will outweigh us it’s not known, but in my opinion a bloody mess is yet to come. But the main thing is that their souls are not ripe for a war with Russia. One people still remember one homeland. I don’t think the junta and nationalists are marginalized. They will never go to hell the first.
    1. +12
      13 September 2018 15: 55
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      No one appreciates it

      We assume that this means an adequate assessment of the Ukrainian army.
      It was only four years ago that the problem could be solved by a police operation, and after another four years you will have to pay many thousands of lives, and the result cannot be predicted in advance.
      1. -3
        13 September 2018 16: 03
        Quote: kakvastam
        Only four years ago, the problem could be solved by a police operation,

        Uncover the secret of your "miraculous" operation and the birthplace of the police force.
  3. +4
    13 September 2018 15: 09
    In four years, a rabbit can be taught to play a drum. And to teach skakuasa "all over the world" to fight ...
    1. +8
      13 September 2018 16: 00
      To fight for what? It is one thing to bomb women and children with impunity in the Donbass, and another thing to get to the fullest from the regular army.

      Ordinary miners and taxi drivers, militias from Donetsk and Lugansk have already filled endless fields under the Dnepropetrovsk cargo with 200 stubborn and deceived.

      Until 080808, rodents were also taught and taught to all NATO, but only, like Lermontov's "timid Georgians fled" without looking back and abandoning the weapons and equipment bought and donated by NATO members.
  4. +4
    13 September 2018 15: 11
    The first commandment is to make an ally out of the enemy, for some reason everything is done with us everything is the other way around. Here our enemies quickly made Ukraine from the enemy to their allies ... So they allowed, it means to replay back, but it is violet for our embezzlers ...
    1. +3
      13 September 2018 16: 06
      Quote: Vladimir 5
      The first commandment is to make an ally out of the enemy, for some reason everything is done with us everything is the other way around. Here our enemies quickly made Ukraine from the enemy to their allies ... So they allowed, it means to replay back, but it is violet for our embezzlers ...

      I wonder how you imagine this process and when was Ukraine, over the years of its "independence" an enemy of the collective West?
      1. +1
        13 September 2018 16: 48
        Talking about the Ukrainian people, and not individual Yurchen women with their spouse, American by birth and other Kolomoys and Kernes, with Israeli passports, are Westerners by definition .. And today, the majority of Ukrainians, in connection with the war in the Donbass and ten-year anti-Russian agendas, are already completely anti-Russian ...
        1. +2
          14 September 2018 15: 22
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Talk about the Ukrainian people

          and the "Ukrainian people" are historically hostile to everything Russian. Ukrainians were created precisely on the basis of hatred for everything Russian, and from Russians.
          so until they remember that they are Russians there is nothing to talk to them about. it is an initially hostile ideology. there are no good or bad ISIS, there are ISIS. there are no good or bad fascists, there are fascists. there are no good or bad Ukrainians, there are Ukrainians. this has been proven by historical experience and facts. and in 1917, and in 1941, and in 1993. they say that "the third time is magic", but for some reason they waited for the fourth in 2014 ...
          1. 0
            14 September 2018 20: 49
            They correctly noted the roots of the beginning of the building of anti-Russian Ukrainians (Little Russians) against the Great Russians by Austrians and Germans in the 19th century and were raised to the top by the WWI, creating hetmanism and other Petliuraism in occupied Ukraine. But the USSR was the main creator of Ukrainian statehood, where it adopted the final features of a separate state, and today it must be taken into account. Because Ukraine is already a separate state and build relations as with a neighboring independent state. A misunderstanding of these cornerstone concepts harms relations between Russia and Ukraine ...
            1. -1
              14 September 2018 20: 56
              Additive. And the fact that the modern leadership of the Russian Federation has been engaged in hydrocarbon speculation in Ukraine since the beginning of the 21st century, squeezing additional profits, and not seeing the US efforts to turn Ukraine into an anti-Russian bastion, is the fault of our rulers who not only lost Ukraine, but also failed the development of Russia (probably due to the theft of the treasury of the Russian Federation) ...
            2. 0
              17 September 2018 17: 27
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              building anti-Russian Ukrainians (Little Russians) against Great Russians

              It is interesting, but in the Catholic encyclopedia, where the political movement "Ukrainians" is mentioned, it is the political movement of the "Little Russians" advocating closeness with Russia that is named their main enemy.
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              But the USSR was the main creator of Ukrainian statehood, where it adopted the final features of a separate state, and today it must be taken into account.
              I would completely agree with you if I had not been there about 8 years ago. all that we have done now is not in the USSR, namely in Ukraine and from 2014 to this day.
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              Because Ukraine is already a separate state and build relations as with a neighboring independent state.

              I do not see the logic in this. eastern Ukraine clearly said with whom they are.
              IMHO now the government of the Russian Federation needs Ukraine precisely as a garbage can, so that it is something to point with a finger. what will happen next, let's see.
  5. 0
    13 September 2018 15: 11
    The enemy, of course, can not be underestimated, but also not necessary to overestimate. Their T72 tanks are protected worse than our budget T72B, without bulwarks, without dynamic protection, these are just good targets for missiles. They try to take in quantity, because they are still very far from quality.
    1. +1
      13 September 2018 16: 04
      The main part in the tank is between the seat and the triplex.
      1. +2
        13 September 2018 16: 23
        One hope that this detail has at least a small consideration for the Groisamuns and the valtsman will not burn.
    2. +3
      13 September 2018 16: 12
      Quote: ANCIENT
      The enemy, of course, can not be underestimated, but also not necessary to overestimate. Their T72 tanks are protected worse than our budget T72B, without bulwarks, without dynamic protection, these are just good targets for missiles. They try to take in quantity, because they are still very far from quality.

      I think that if the Kiev junta started a war with Russia in earnest, then our western "partners" would have arranged express delivery of any high-quality weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the highest level. So, one should evaluate not only the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the statements of the Kiev junta, but also their curators, and the curators then sit at a low start and are just waiting for a reason, persistently pitting Ukraine against Russia.
    3. +1
      14 September 2018 18: 28
      DZ and bulwarks can be hung without problems. Again, it’s not a fact that they didn’t hang it specifically for the "exercises", anyhow the reservists didn’t tear it off in front of the attaché.
      Remember OUR nineties, when the pilots did not fly, the tankers did not "tank", the sailors went to sea for SPONSOR money ... Learning to show off a NATO member is one thing, and the planned training work with the same reservist tankers does not require small funds. The Germans counted how much it cost to train one pilot - they shed tears, kaklam of the money that Western sponsors allocate for the Ukrainian Armed Forces (excluding theft and sawing) it is unlikely that it will be enough to train qualified personnel on an army scale (the brigade has not gone far yet) + considerable costs for DB in Donbass what they can - "accelerated takeoff / landing". Everything is designed only for the url of patriots set on the source of all the troubles of the outskirts - "cannon fodder" however
  6. +18
    13 September 2018 15: 12
    The arguments of homegrown ,, potreota ,, such
    -Then let them poke into Russia, so how do we pile on them ...
    It’s obvious, but you don’t need to build other idiots out of yourself, because THEY ONE will never turn up. The situation needs to be looked at from the other side. Global. In the event of a clash between Russia and NATO, the Ukrainian army will not be a small obstacle for our army. I I would say so-NATO will set the Ukrainians the task of holding the Russians back for 3-4 weeks-until the main forces of the United States and NATO in Europe are deployed. For all this, it turns out, we will pay the loss of our people.
    1. -2
      13 September 2018 15: 36
      Quote: Sonet
      -Then let them poke into Russia, so how do we pile on them ...
      Bulk. Undoubtedly, but you don’t need to build other idiots out of yourself. BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE to never poke around.

      So no one is going to sign for them either. In the 1930s, Americans and the British economically raised Hitler and the British, but by the mid-40s they sharply lowered it, moreover, sharply. And they lowered these right away, only a couple of baskets of cookies were handed out ...
      1. 0
        13 September 2018 15: 43
        Quote: Fitter65
        Quote: Sonet
        -Then let them poke into Russia, so how do we pile on them ...
        Bulk. Undoubtedly, but you don’t need to build other idiots out of yourself. BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE to never poke around.

        So no one is going to sign for them either. In the 1930s, Americans and the British economically raised Hitler and the British, but by the mid-40s they sharply lowered it, moreover, sharply. And they lowered these right away, only a couple of baskets of cookies were handed out ...

        Yes, there is zero investment in the economy, to say the least. So the task of the Skakuas, according to the plan of the Saxons, is different or everything just happened unexpectedly and there was no long-term plan.
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    2. +9
      13 September 2018 15: 38
      Quote: Sonet
      NATO will set the Ukrainians the task of keeping the Russians out for 3-4 weeks

      I respect your opinion, but personally I see the problem elsewhere.
      It is often impossible to distinguish Russian from Ukraine. This is only the young generation, under 14 years old, begins to forget the Russian language. The older generation, Great and Mighty, knows very well.
      In fact, we have a hostile neighboring country in which there are potentially a lot of saboteurs ... recourse
      1. +5
        13 September 2018 16: 11
        Removed from the tongue .... It is in the terrorist component that the main danger
        1. +1
          13 September 2018 17: 11
          Quote: Lebedev
          in the terrorist component the main danger

          drinks
          Tefari from the West are probably already developing manuals and doctrines. recourse
      2. +3
        13 September 2018 21: 47
        Quote: Tibidokh
        This is only the young generation, under 14 years old, begins to forget the Russian language. The older generation, Great and Mighty, knows very well.

        Many children speak Russian and Ukrainian when using cases (spoken in the family is Russian and means basic Russian)
        So the Great and Mighty is not a problem. He is not much and differs from the "sleeping"
    3. +1
      13 September 2018 16: 07
      In the event of a clash between Russia and NATO, there will be no one left from the PRO € BALTs in a couple of hours, but from the Ukrainians the next day.

      There will be no ordinary war. Or the world. Or immediately thermonuclear death to all. Why do we need such a world if Russia will not be in it? Do you know who said that?
      1. Alf
        +4
        13 September 2018 21: 39
        Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
        Do you know who said that?

        He gave a tooth about retirement ...
    4. +1
      13 September 2018 16: 46
      What do the homegrown patriots have to do with it ... Isn't Ukraine itself talking about massive dismissals of officers in the last six months? If I'm not mistaken, the figure is about 18 ... Nobody says that the ukroarmiya can't do anything at all - but the motivation is weak , otherwise such large-scale layoffs simply would not have happened ... And about "a considerable obstacle for the Russian army" - you got excited?
    5. 0
      14 September 2018 15: 29
      Quote: Sonet
      I would say so-NATO will set the Ukrainians the task of holding the Russians back for 3-4 weeks-until the main forces of the United States and NATO in Europe are deployed. For all this, it turns out, we will pay the loss of our people.

      war is such an event in which they kill. if you expect to spread the rolls and eat enough that you will not be killed in this regard, then hopes are wrong.
      about how NATO deploys troops in 3-4 weeks, read on the basis of the conflict 08.08.08.
  7. +12
    13 September 2018 15: 13
    Never underestimate anyone. Underestimation - the mother of defeat, in any of the areas, including the military. One must be adequately prepared.
  8. +9
    13 September 2018 15: 19
    The army is not a group of "cool" looking men in used NATO uniforms. First of all, these are aviation, artillery and tanks, with all the accompanying support. And in a full-scale war, these are huge resources that strain even serious economies, not like the Ukrainian one.
    1. 0
      13 September 2018 16: 00
      Quote: Roma-1977
      The army is not a group of "cool" looking men in used NATO uniforms.

      Not certainly in that way.
      Army is Not only group (hereinafter in the text). But first of all - it is the "group", because the technique without a trained and motivated fighter is just a paradise for a second-iron merchant.
      And just the enemy is now training.
    2. +6
      13 September 2018 16: 08
      The army is, first of all, the willingness to give ends, following the order.

      This is not the Ukrainian army for sure.
  9. +15
    13 September 2018 15: 20
    someone really wants to merge the Donbass, Here they fill up Zakharchenko and his allegedly internal army will be transferred to the military corps, which will be called stupidly the police. The concept police introduced Minsk for internal law enforcement and did not require anything from the opposite side if regular troops oppose the republics . .In essence, the army as such is not on paper. And this sky leaflet was only an instruction for the Donetsk and Lugansk republics and in Kiev they don’t even say anything about it, even Kuchma Pakhan even said that “Minsk was all.” now there’s no one to fill the hole with, like a rare polecat similar to the ferret Pushilin, has already announced the denationalization of markets and other households so carefully collected by Tashkent to collect the dough for the republic’s income. And the fact that this Jew will not threaten Kiev and raise the spirits of the troops even the blind grandmother can be seen. Here you need to put serious, maybe Donbass boys with general posts in Russian troops then in Donetsk in the place of Zakhar, and do it soon.
    1. +1
      13 September 2018 16: 02
      Quote: 23424636
      someone really wants to drain the Donbass

      Not for nothing that he pounced on his knee ...
    2. 0
      13 September 2018 21: 59
      so carefully collected by Tashkent to collect dough for the republic’s income

      You made a big mistake with the goals of Tashkent.
  10. -1
    13 September 2018 15: 20
    Hava Nagila! Nagila hava!
  11. +8
    13 September 2018 15: 21
    The half-heartedness of the 2014 measures is already visible to the naked eye. It was necessary to finish off this case even then with little blood. The point is not only about strengthening the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the point is that Russophobia is spreading with a cancerous tumor and infects new young (formerly purely Russian) souls with the bacillus of "Ukrainians", invented, equipped with pseudo history and pseudo-language, from the once Russian dialects already turning into pure Polonisms ... As Pavel Shekhtman joked, "today an airplane is a litak, tomorrow it may be a winged hobbyist."
  12. +2
    13 September 2018 15: 23
    I do not agree with the main message of the article. And who underestimates? On Russophobia and dope with blue, they tightened their brains ... So what? Bad, but not deadly. And it is being treated ..
  13. +3
    13 September 2018 15: 23
    Quote: ANCIENT
    Their T72 tanks are protected worse than our budget T72B, without bulwarks, without dynamic protection, these are just good targets for missiles.

    ------------------------
    I remember the Wehrmacht also had so-so tanks, but after the occupation the Czechs "fitted them" about 5 chassis and tanks that attacked the USSR in 1941. I mean that they will be fitted with the necessary equipment from Eastern Europe.
    1. 0
      13 September 2018 15: 36
      I remember the Wehrmacht also had so-so tanks, but after the occupation the Czechs "fitted them" about 5 chassis and tanks that attacked the USSR in 1941. I mean that they will be fitted with the necessary equipment from Eastern Europe.

      And ... and .... and ?!
      Even if the floor of NATO drives them it will not be compared. And Russia is enough for defense.
  14. +3
    13 September 2018 15: 24
    APU can be underestimated further, but how much can it cost?
    I believe that those who should have a sound assessment of the state of the Armed Forces. And the media can afford to make fun of it further.
    over soldiers of the Ukrainian army, which themselves explode in their own minefields, either die from an overdose of drugs in the trenches, dine with snakes caught in a nearby ravine, or unsuccessfully test the Hammer mortars.
    There is little demand from them (from the media), the main thing for them is to maintain their rating ... Unfortunately.
  15. +2
    13 September 2018 15: 27
    And it was not necessary for them to leave so much technology. Now slurp a full spoon ... Americans need to start a war near our borders. They will not spare any money for this ...
    1. 0
      13 September 2018 15: 48
      I don’t think there would be a war ...

      At night, all the iron would have been bombed, and in the morning there would have been a police operation to find and remove the hidden Bandera from the caches. The rest would just run home.
  16. 0
    13 September 2018 15: 28
    This is an association of people, a large percentage of whom hate with fierce hatred everything that is at least somehow connected with Russia, and against the backdrop of hatred of their own authorities, driving them into the maw of the civil war called Kiev “Russian hybrid”.

    And how the Germans hated "everything that is somehow connected with Russia." "We couldn't even eat!" (C) And now there is a monument in Berlin ...
    1. +1
      13 September 2018 15: 45
      And our grandfathers harassed the most "clear-cut" Germans, and those who had flat feet, foolishness and homosexuality (crossed out) gave offspring and multiplied. And the latter, which are crossed out, paradoxically, multiplied the most. Although the Nazis themselves did not stand on ceremony with them.
  17. +4
    13 September 2018 15: 30
    In 2014, it was necessary to take Crimea to Lviv itself. At that time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine consisted of 70 servicemen, stomped below the baseboard by the more coveted authorities, and by the Maidan too. And now there are already 000 of them, in the environmental protection zone 250. So far, not many. Let's wait until they get half a million? Yes, they don’t have money for aviation. And if NATO helps them? Why did American tankers fly to Lviv? Preparing to refuel rusty Ukrainian tanks? Or maybe a small aircraft APU? Hardly. How much more time will the Kremlin give NATO to prepare for aggression against Russia?
    1. +4
      13 September 2018 15: 41
      I’ll clarify: it was necessary to solve the problem along the Polish border, because since no one should have any illusions, living in peace with the ukronazists would not work.

      So much blood has already been shed - everyone who is messed up must answer for this.
    2. 0
      13 September 2018 16: 07
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      How much more time will the Kremlin give NATO to prepare for aggression against Russia?

      How much is needed, so much will be allocated. For partners - it’s not a pity.
    3. 0
      14 September 2018 09: 55
      Exactly enough to agree on the fate of their "over-earned" billions in foreign banks.
  18. +3
    13 September 2018 15: 34
    It is only our media that make fun of Ukraine and its army. Do not forget that not so long ago we were one state and had the combat experience of the Second World War and other local conflicts.
    We must adequately assess strengths and capabilities, and not laugh at individual shortcomings, which we have enough
  19. +1
    13 September 2018 15: 35
    Ukrainian army from a very recently fragmented and demoralized

    ... turned into a highly motivated herd of punishers. And the punitive fighting value - zero, a lot of Dirlewanger’s brigade won? They ruined the ARMY for themselves, and the army is not only the helmets pumped up by propaganda, they have one thought knocking on their helmets - I’ll kill everyone, I’ll stay alone.
    About "armed" with old stuff and taught ... We swim, we know, in 2008 they didn’t use old stuff, it ended badly, tk. also taught by those who have not fought for a long time, and the war did not win. So, only punitive operations were carried out. Valuable, yes, since it is necessary to clean up the territory, but who said that it would be useful?
    How's it going, peace in Iraq? In Afghanistan? Here dill and run - maybe they will not rest right away
  20. +2
    13 September 2018 15: 39
    What has become better is no doubt. Still, most of the money of American, European, Israeli and other sponsors reaches the addressee despite the theft. But, believe me, there is no other army in the world now that we would not be so closely monitored on our part. Therefore, the whining “ah, everything is gone” is not necessary. We recall how much the “partners” once planted money in Georgians. Did it help them much? Let us drive and pump them with money, the resources of the enemy stupidly spent by our hands are only at hand, while they think that the hands of the neighboring natives can hurt Russia, they will not reach out to us in person. In addition, we really need time to re-equip the army and prepare it for the Great War. At any cost.
  21. +3
    13 September 2018 15: 39
    The problems that politicians have been solving for years trying to come to an agreement, to compromise with those who are not going to compromise, are solved much faster by military means.

    It is hard to imagine that Stalin at the negotiating table with Hitler tried to persuade him not to destroy Stalingrad, not to starve Leningrad, not to kill Jews and Slavs with gypsies in concentration camps ...

    And now what? And for 4 architrude and bloody years, the most irreconcilable German Nazis were almost zeroed and therefore Germany is so tame and silk.

    A civil war has been going on in Donbass for 4 years, which is trying to be veiled by "Minsk-2", which does not work. The scale is not the same as not to force the Ukronazi Ukraine to a military peace in the most effective way, and in these 4 years everything would have been decided long ago.

    Purely IMHO.
  22. +4
    13 September 2018 15: 44
    Quote: maykl8
    And ... and .... and ?!
    Even if the floor of NATO drives them it will not be compared. And Russia is enough for defense.

    -------------------------
    You are not ready to fight for your retirement age, but you are already ready to defend yourself from NATO.
  23. +1
    13 September 2018 15: 55
    This is an association of people, a large percentage of whom hate with fierce hatred everything that is at least somehow connected with Russia, and against the backdrop of hatred of their own authorities, driving them into the maw of the civil war called Kiev “Russian hybrid”.


    One million scum keep in fear 39 million indifferent.

    There can be no "Patriotic War of Ukraine against Russia". Press down - the Ukronazis will hide in their caches, the rest will drop their weapons, surrender or run to their homes.

    All.
    1. 0
      14 September 2018 09: 58
      the rest will drop their weapons, surrender or scatter around their homes

      And here the main thing is not to repeat the mistake of Comrade Stalin, who declared amnesty to Bandera. All - beyond the Arctic Circle and work on logging to death.
  24. -4
    13 September 2018 15: 56
    "The war in Ukraine will end when Ukrainian mothers love their children more than they hate Russians."

    (C) V.V. Putin
  25. +3
    13 September 2018 16: 00
    To the delight of the Zionists on both sides of the conflict and the rabid Natsik-zapadents, the two fraternal peoples will tear each other's throats ... The war, after the slave trade, is the favorite business of the Jews! Those who glorify the great Manita would advise them to be puzzled by the question: why do not we recognize the Republic? Sanctions grabbed, nowhere else! What are we afraid of ?! Already there seems to be nothing more ... It means profitable, but the benefit is a meteoric thing!
  26. +3
    13 September 2018 16: 01
    Stubbornly impose on us the thought -Ukraine, some enemies !!! Wake up these are the same Slavs as we are. Our gangsters from the authorities are dividing the spheres of influence with the Ukrainian, but comrades from the regional committee, they support this by all methods. Natsik. Is a shushera, the trouble is that the puppets and thieves in law are in power. Purely Russia of the 90s of the beginning of 2000 For the rest, you want to break the Slav, think ten times for the answer can be fatal.
    1. +1
      13 September 2018 17: 31
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Wake up are the same Slavs as we are

      Woke up. What next? Repent? Or to the Kremlin with a pitchfork? Here on the censor you will be popularly explained what kind of brothers we are.
  27. +1
    13 September 2018 16: 01
    The first real assessment of all these years. Thanks! And then zadalbali smokers around and mocking Ukrainians. And there, after all, they were mainly Russians, who had long been driven into their heads that they were Ukrainians. Just right to cry from this.
    1. -2
      13 September 2018 17: 19
      A real assessment of what? Comments on the forum? In the Moscow Region, do you think everyone is so stupid that they forgot the terms of intelligence of the analyst and stupidly discuss the real strength of the Ukrainian army in the military?
      1. 0
        15 September 2018 11: 21
        When the Ministry of Defense even slips cartoons from computer games under the guise of real filming even to the president, this raises doubts about their level of intelligence
  28. -1
    13 September 2018 16: 09
    Underestimate the Ukrainian army


    the fact that the forum objectively considers the problems of the Ukrainian army which was arming and equipping the West with Soviet weapons pulled from the entire Warsaw Pact does not mean that the Ukrainian army is underestimated.
    But you should not overestimate it. The Ukrainian army is rearming exclusively thanks to Russia, not a single state would have allowed the hostile country to rearm and develop the military industry at hand. But this allows Russia to capture its citizens as well.
    As for the Russian army itself, I’ll tell you a secret that in 2014, our army from the Ukrainian only differed only in a large number of semi-working Soviet junk in storage depots and a larger number of personnel.
    Yes, the Ukrainian army since 2014 has become really several times stronger, but during this time the Russian army also rose from nonexistence and became many tens of times stronger.
    1. -1
      13 September 2018 17: 17
      Do not write nonsense! It just freaks out. The difference between our army and theirs was in everything from military experience to training. Yes, and equipment and weapons were replaced quickly. The comparison is not even provocative, it is frankly ridiculous
  29. 0
    13 September 2018 16: 10
    Oranges will not be born on the aspen. It doesn’t matter what they are armed with or who trains them. Do not feed the horse ...
  30. 0
    13 September 2018 16: 36
    Ukrainian army consolidates on frankly Russophobic propaganda

    Yes, as it were, and propaganda is not necessary, just read this forum and everyone will already run to enlist in the Ukrainian army who did not even think. negative
    1. -1
      13 September 2018 17: 13
      Have you read Ukrainian?) According to your logic, after they have been read, do you need to create a militia and stupidly trample everything there? There, as it were, the glow is many times stronger.
  31. +5
    13 September 2018 16: 53
    And what forms of struggle will the followers of the drunkard now offer, assuring the Russian people that Ukrainians are brothers. Captured or not?
    How things have changed in 15 years. I never thought when I created and developed Ukrainian research institutes, design bureaus and enterprises from 1978 to 1989. And there were 6 of them in 19 GU of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry, where 90 thousand normal specialists and people worked.
    What should the Russian people say now to the drunk?
  32. +4
    13 September 2018 17: 04
    "... we managed to create an armed conglomerate openly hostile towards Russia. It is an association of people, a large percentage of whom hate with fierce hatred everything that is somehow connected with Russia ..."
    Accidentally ran into a video in the internet. There, a man takes a camera phone of his daughter, four or five years old, who is waving a kitchen knife.
    The father asks: "Daughter, why did you take the knife?"
    The daughter replies: "Cut Rusnya!"
    So, who would not say anything that it is "sucked from the finger", but it's true. And there are many of them.
    PS Grew up in Ukraine (Dnepropetrovsk region). He repeatedly visited with his father in the west of Ukraine, with relatives. After the last time, he refused to go there with him again. The reason is described above.
    I will make a reservation right away - I am a Ukrainian, like my father, grandfather, great-grandfather ... But even then (and always) the attitude of TAM towards us was just like that. They do not consider us Ukrainians. History has already proven this.
  33. 0
    13 September 2018 17: 05
    it is difficult to agree with the title, the LPNR servicemen who are hardly standing on the line of contact allow themselves to relax like commentators to articles like "In Ukraine, the cow died gygygs, this is impossible with us"
  34. -6
    13 September 2018 17: 08
    The message is true but not correctly stated! The first one! (over the past four years, including not without the help of NATO instructors and special services, it has been possible to create an armed conglomerate openly hostile to Russia), Necha to blame the mirror! Vacationers and lost in the military units of the RF Armed Forces, as if enlightened the minds! The second! (Volunteer corps supply radical formations with literally everything: from toilet paper to the optical sights of the latest modifications. Compassionate Russophobes from outside the Russian Federation “throw up rebellion” toss funds.
    ) Volunteers at the moment do not solve cardinal problems. This is not 2014. Well, on the third! Armament is available and trained personnel as well. In this regard, the author is right.
  35. -1
    13 September 2018 17: 10
    No one underestimates them. Whoever needs it, they monitor everything and analyze everything to the fullest. Focus on amusing comments on sites, well, somehow childish or something ...
  36. -1
    13 September 2018 17: 14
    While we are observing one in one Georgian scenario. The denouement campaign will be the same
  37. +4
    13 September 2018 17: 18
    As always, there are a bunch of couch military specialists who have not served a day in the Army or Navy. And there is an old saying, for one beaten two unbeaten give. Against the backdrop of prostitutional behavior on the part of the leaders of the DNRLR and Russia, when NONE of them can clearly articulate the GOAL in this conflict, there can be no victory in principle. The last, who had a clear position, to conquer the WHOLE Donbass, this is Zakharchenko, and he is killed. New Russia as a subject has completely disappeared from the agenda. All national heroes were disposed of, to the joy of the FSB. Slowly, the Donbass is turning into a Kosovo version of pumping huge amounts of money on the prohibited. I will not be a prophet, the very next year the people of Donbass will get tired of this prostitution at the top, and will be immeasurably glad to end this mess, even at the cost of cleansing them from patriots. A normal person cannot want to live under shelling for YEARS. Ukraine has not collapsed over the years, modernized the army, created an anti-Russian front. But here we have our rats, dragging the budget for their offshore, excitedly telling about the happiness of pensions after 65, in no way motivate for new exploits. Therefore, as it’s not a pity, to a pain in my soul, a new Perestroika begins, with the surrender of everyone and everything ... If only, the Russian troops, after coordinating the arms of service, will not go on vacation to the Donbass by the end of September ....
  38. -1
    13 September 2018 17: 28
    Take the example of the Turks ..... protect their Turkomaniacs in Idlib ... they wanted to bring in troops, they wanted to withdraw. The bases have been built .... Without this, Ukraine will always try some illusions of its military victory, and people in the DPR and LPR will wonder whether they handed over them or not. And the sword should always "hang" on ukrovoyskami - was there a shelling or not, was there a chemical attack or not.
  39. -1
    13 September 2018 18: 03
    It's clear ... Everything is lost ... I'll go wash my underpants to throw out the white flag in front of the great and invincible army of dill. Here is a straight and go
  40. -2
    13 September 2018 18: 04
    Boys reminded a shot from a cool movie

  41. +1
    13 September 2018 18: 10
    Another propaganda throwing of an anonymous author.
  42. 0
    13 September 2018 18: 15
    The article is very correct, but I want to note in this regard that every piece of meat from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, dobrobats, volunteers and other organizations, the police, the Security Service of Ukraine, which went through the State Institute of Russophobia, should be on a pencil and, accordingly, blocked when entering Russia .
  43. 0
    13 September 2018 19: 11
    You can be super-armed, hate the enemy with all your soul, but the military spirit has not yet been able to replace anything. does the Ukrainian army have it? Not the Natsiks and Pravoseks, but ordinary warriors? Will they be able to "throw themselves at the embrasure"?
    Yes, and Natsik PS with how resistant to shock?
    Questions, questions. Only war will show the answers.
  44. 0
    13 September 2018 19: 18
    It’s impossible to discount from our hat-throwing accounts the fact that quite a few people in the Armed Forces go to the military
    ranks for the idea, or for their national ideals. There is no doubt that in Ukraine there is both the first and the second. Yes, and it was at all times, starting from the times, probably, of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and to this day.
    It is these idealists who represent, as in all armed formations of the world, the most solid, dangerous and stubborn element.
  45. 0
    13 September 2018 20: 18
    I was not too lazy to read the comments, dear, as in school, but raise your hand who served in the army, and even more interestingly, who is a military university, graduated from the school and served as an officer?
  46. -5
    13 September 2018 20: 31
    Chush some kind.
    Hto then believes that UA is fighting with miners who have been hauling Grads from mines for 4 years?
    Do you respect saba? -no!
    Well, the flag is in your mouth.
  47. 0
    13 September 2018 20: 32
    Stop whining, if men, yesterday's miners, drivers, locksmiths, and electricians inserted wicks in boilers to various cyborgs, then what they are worse today when they are organized in military buildings, they also undergo training and training. Also cabbage soup slurp. Yes, and we, in the end, are Russians. Motorola could also sit at home in Russia and look at the drawer.
    1. -3
      13 September 2018 20: 42
      what miners ?!
      After Debaltseve, a battle broke out in the city between the "miners" and the federals. - for transport for the removal of corpses.
      The feds won.
      1. 0
        13 September 2018 20: 45
        I saw it myself or brought a magpie on its tail, and it’s far away to see anything with such a flag.
        1. -2
          13 September 2018 20: 48
          This is not a secret.
          1. 0
            13 September 2018 20: 49
            Good argument, the old woman May also uses it.
            1. -1
              13 September 2018 20: 51
              What did you want?
              1. 0
                13 September 2018 20: 53
                Hide, henchman ovine.
                1. -1
                  13 September 2018 20: 55
                  If you do not like it, then I'm only glad.
                  1. 0
                    13 September 2018 20: 58
                    Sooner rejoice, not yet evening, but you will find out about it later, when it will be too late. Everything has its time. Chill out Vasya.
      2. -1
        13 September 2018 20: 59
        in, with a star-striped flag in the avatar teaches Russians and Ukrainians to live. But these are American cookies that lie at the heart of the Maidan horses. If they knew that the West would not intervene, no one would ride
        1. -2
          13 September 2018 21: 04
          impossible.
          It is impossible to teach the lives of those who burn educational institutions with children.
  48. 0
    13 September 2018 22: 00
    So I want to ask the author of the article, if we stop laughing at everything, that Ukrainian Russophobes will disappear? No, they will not disappear. They will not disappear even when Russia feeds Ukraine for free. On the contrary, their number will increase.
  49. -1
    13 September 2018 22: 07
    The Russian media (and society too) have an opinion that everything that is against the policy of the Kremlin (not even the Russian Federation or Russia, namely the Kremlin) is all Russophobia. You defend the integrity of your country from Kremlin policy - a malicious Russophobe. In the ranks of the army of a recognized state, take the oath, just Russophobe! And if you also decided to restore this very territorial integrity, then you are definitely an enemy of Russia / Russophobe, you eat Russian children at night and are definitely subject to destruction laughing
    in general, it’s enough to just be for Ukraine, you’re already a Russophobe, you’re a Khan from Bandera.
    And the society of Ukraine is exactly the same as in the Russian Federation - a careless life in confidence in papers from western and eastern partners about the inviolability of borders is broken, and that’s all. A friend became an enemy, an enemy became an ally. Yes, the world has changed. And they prescribed this war with blood. And the Russian media say that this is all against the Russian Federation. Well, if the Russian Federation climbs the winds then yes, it turns out against the Russian Federation. I am sure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not go to Crimea because everything is going according to plan. And the price of Crimea for the Russian Federation will increase and no one will return it to Ukraine for this reason. And ORDILO is also needed as a scarecrow for partners. Therefore, the army is strengthening in order not to repeat the mistakes of 2014. When you go take what you want under the guise of green men and winds. Ukrainians are good at defending themselves. They are stubborn and cunning by nature. And nobody knows Russians better from other nations than Ukrainians and Belarusians.
    The society of Ukraine can and is pumped up with the stamp "Russian aggressor country", but it does not call for a campaign against Moscow, only the territorial integrity of our borders. It is a completely digestible goal, easily understandable and tangible. Understandable even if the Russians were in our situation, they would act in the same way.
    And hats ... Russian society also needs to be pumped up ... The fact that Ukraine is bad, because there are some kind of fascists, Bandera soldiers, no army, and so on. This is even to our advantage. It is bad that we have the same sick society as in the Russian Federation with corruption and the attitude of the government. Two fragments with the same problems spend resources on the division of territories.
    1. 0
      14 September 2018 11: 47
      Do you really think that the "green" men tore away my Crimea from your Ukraine? What about DNR and DNR? After all, these little people are not there. And about "not calling for a march on Moscow", too, do not dissemble. I hear these calls in Crimea, it is strange that you are "tight" in both ears.
      1. +1
        14 September 2018 22: 04
        Quote: gurzuf
        Do you really think that the "green" men tore away my Crimea from your Ukraine?

        Sorry, but if the special forces of another country enter the Ukrainian (at that time) state agency, this is apparently normal. OK.
        I can take it whatever. Events are described in this way even on the Russian Wiki.
        However, everything is according to Frederick 2. There is no point in arguing, after all, everything happened according to his expression. All disputes are only from an excess of time and energy.
        Quote: gurzuf
        What about the DNI and DNR? There are not these little men there.

        Shooters? Or not enough? Or else the "northerners" and the military, financial flows and direct control?
        However, officially, people, "decisive military questions".
        But why the argument? Everyone has a choice.
        Quote: gurzuf
        And about "not calling for a march on Moscow", too, do not dissemble. I hear these calls in Crimea, it is strange that you are "tight" in both ears.

        Zhirinovsky called for dropping a bomb on Kiev? How should I perceive it? Or be tight-hearted. I perfectly understand that there are roles of court jesters and protest cisterns ... We have a lot of them too. Who mriyat about Moscow. But it doesn't matter. Officially-restoration ter. integrity. Ukrainians will not go further (though now they will not go anywhere, because their role is to contain)
        That is, the Kremlin, the Russian Federation or Russia have a different policy? Enchanting. This is pure anti-Russian propaganda. To tell the Russians that the Kremlin is bad, it doesn’t do it all, but it’s not the Russian Federation or Russia, they forgot to add Raska.

        Different. For Kremlin policy is a concentrated interest of corporations and it is fundamentally different from nat. oriented Russian. As soon as the domestic policy of prosperity is concentrated, I will only be glad. It’s shameful to call their country (as those who call the Sovkom -SSSR).
        The policy of the Kremlin-to prevent the destruction of those who still survived in the Donbass? No, this is not Russophobe on this basis, but just a cannibal, fascist, and what else can I bring ..

        I will smile. If it were really a goal, no one would have died. Interestingly, internally displaced persons fall under this "protection"?
        yes, then I’m apparently also a cannibal ... laughing
        Those who were just for Ukraine you killed. The same Olesya Buzin.

        sure. I have never been to Kiev, but once "we" - what can we argue. And the House of Trade Unions, fortunately, it is 5 minutes away, too, did I burn down the church, or was it all like that in the 16th century before me?
        Turning to me, as to the current politician of Ukraine or "Bandera" you are, to put it mildly, mistaken. I did not even vote for Poroshenko and is very far from the ideas of the Maidan, after which we live worse and worse.
        Well, if so, but it seems to me that you are also a lie. Carefree life? Tell me at least one area where there was a careless life

        until 2013, we didn’t even need an army (which was why it wasn’t by 2014). We rested on BM and Russian-Ukrainian treaties and others with Western partners. Even the Tuzla conflict didn’t really teach anything.
        Nothing foreshadowed such a war with a proxy with Russian support.
    2. 0
      14 September 2018 20: 49
      The Ukrainian media and, accordingly, many members of society have a strange opinion of knowing the opinion of Russians. This is some kind of special art. I do not know where this is taught, but it is becoming more and more visible. A friend of mine from Ukraine wrote to "Onolitegu" about the liberality of Russia, where he walked on Russian television, which he never watched and even stupidly did not glance at the channel program before writing. And the opinion was based on the words of the best friend. And this is not the saddest case. People, even the most adequate, cannot constantly resist the pressure on their brains. Or they are initially critical and then the pressure is many times weaker, only at the background level, which suggests some moments. Or over time, when there is similar information around everywhere, people begin to gradually accept it, albeit a little, but more and more.
      And this very nonsense begins. When it is clearly and clearly seen that they sang in the ears.
      Quote: Antares
      it is believed that everything that is against the policy of the Kremlin (not even the Russian Federation or Russia, namely the Kremlin) is all Russophobia.

      That is, the Kremlin, the Russian Federation or Russia have a different policy? Enchanting. This is pure anti-Russian propaganda. To tell the Russians that the Kremlin is bad, it doesn’t do it all, but it’s not the Russian Federation or Russia, they forgot to add Raska. Moreover, this emphasizes the fact that you simply repeat the words of smart uncles who poured them into your ears. There is no collective Kremlin. This is only in general - the apparatus. And every action, opinion, law, work has personal developers, authors, and so on. But you need to remember, figure it out, evaluate it, time, strength and all that. It’s much easier to label everything - they’re all Kremlin ones there. And yes, the Kremlin is Russia. We have many whiners and complainers, in whom everything is gone and whose moaning is like a balm for your soul. But most of the society supports and shares the policy of its leadership. Not necessarily in everything, we can blame for it, praise for that and so on. But this is again beyond your comprehension; the mean people didn’t tell you this in your ears. We are all zombies here without our opinion.
      And yes, if you speak out against those whom the Russians and Russia have chosen, then you speak out against them. You spit on their opinion, you show them as a dumb herd, you do not look at us as people and in the universal sense and as full citizens of your country. Yes, you are a Russophobe. Any doubts?

      Quote: Antares
      You defend the integrity of your country from Kremlin policy - a malicious Russophobe.

      The policy of the Kremlin-not to let destroy those who still survived in the Donbass? There is no Russophobe on this basis, but just a cannibal, fascist, and what else can I bring ...
      Quote: Antares
      In the ranks of the army of a recognized state, take the oath, just Russophobe!

      you kill people of Ukraine, Russia and those who are citizens of unrecognized states, but also people, no you are not Russophobe, you are a killer, a worthless person, if at all a person, a cannibal who is not worthy to live on earth. In the same way, these people and us were treated by those who came to head the united Europe. You then supported them, helping to destroy people now. Conducted punitive operations. It was you, minions, who were convicted, but, unfortunately, they did not finish it off and the infection bloomed again.
      Quote: Antares
      in general, it’s enough to just be for Ukraine, you’re already a Russophobe, you’re a Khan from Bandera.

      Again the substitution of concepts. To kill people in the Donbas, treats them and the Russians as non-humans, to share a policy that is not in vain called Bandera, this does not mean to be simply for Ukraine. Those who were just for Ukraine you killed. The same Olesya Buzin. But he is known, and how many unknown people died. On May 2, many of us grieve over what happened. Why do not you consider the opinion and people of people who are simply for Ukraine, but not for Ukraine, Poroshenko, Avakov, Turchinov and Yatsenyuk?
      About how - I just shared the Kremlin and the Russian Federation, but for some reason I didn’t look in the opposite direction. Well, it’s logical that propaganda doesn’t speak about this, and that means there is no such thing.
    3. 0
      14 September 2018 21: 24
      Quote: Antares
      And the society of Ukraine is exactly the same as in the Russian Federation - a careless life in confidence in papers from western and eastern partners about the inviolability of borders is broken, and that’s all.

      That is, before that, everyone lived with various documents, international treaties, conventions and so on? As I understand it, what do you want to say - who do not take in Ukraine is it entirely international lawyers and political scientists? Well, if so, but it seems to me that you are also a lie. Carefree life? Tell me at least one area where there was a careless life. We are not, we all have friends, relatives in Ukraine. From the same Crimea, people were surprised when they began to pay them with Russian money and not miserable crumbs, but at least something minimal for life, which turned out to be several times more than before. And as bloggers and other caring citizens went about for several years and gloated how bad it would be in Crimea now. What problems does Russia have, and so on. And these people looked at what was in the rest of Ukraine this winter and were horrified that they could be there. And on how bullying in the communal apartment went on. Carefree life. If you are full and have eaten a belly, it does not mean that everything is so with you.
      Quote: Antares
      A friend became an enemy, an enemy became an ally.

      So you want to say that Ukraine quickly overstepped its former enemies? That is, stories about the henchmen of enemies, Bandera and others, is this true? But you just made fun of the labels, and now in plain text proves that this is true.
      Quote: Antares
      And the Russian media say that this is all against the Russian Federation.

      Here again - I didn’t read it, but I know for sure. I say some kind of talent has erupted.
      Quote: Antares
      Well, if the Russian Federation climbs the winds, then yes, it turns out against the Russian Federation.

      Wait, wait, you once again burn. For several years, your officials, management, the media and other things told us that it was Russia that attacked, its troops and tank divisions are on the territory of an independent state. Now haven’t attacked yet? I don’t understand who is lying, you or your leadership, officials, media. You see, there are still more of them and they are somehow more authoritative, so no offense. I still believe that the Russian troops have already occupied everything that can be.
      Quote: Antares
      Therefore, the army is strengthening so as not to repeat the mistakes of 2014.

      Errors 2014? That is, when they wanted the Donbass without people. but it didn’t work out, now there is hope to fix it all? I admit, I did not expect another.
      Quote: Antares
      The society of Ukraine can and is pumped up with the stamp "Russian aggressor country", but it does not call for a campaign against Moscow, only the territorial integrity of our borders. It is a completely digestible goal, easily understandable and tangible. Understandable even if the Russians were in our situation, they would act in the same way.

      Leave it all to the children, we don’t need to fill it. I do not believe that you yourself are so child. There is no concept of the territorial integrity of our borders separately from everything. Look at the same Syria. States are not in a vacuum. All of them are ALWAYS in a geopolitical game. You are trying to tell us now a tearful story in which there is no truth, there are monstrous simplifications and illusions. I understand that you yourself do not believe in it, but just write to the public. Ukraine, in fact, like Belarus, as well as quite a few, former republics, having become independent states, essentially abandoned international relations. Putting all this on Russia. Because Russia is big, it is the heir to the USSR, it must somehow live in this world, so let it try for us at the same time. Ukraine, by and large, did not participate in any actions, either politically or militarily. He destroyed his army, sold it, destroyed it, leaving comfortable remnants. Similarly, others. Everyone understood that there was no sense steaming. In any case, Russia will help, because these are its interests. And be it some kind of conflict or confrontation, Russia will in any case intervene and will observe the interests of its neighbors as well as its own! So you can not waste resources on this, let fools spend it. You can steal them more, you can slightly raise the standard of living, you can send them somewhere else. Stop stop, Baron, what are you talking about. This money can be directed to the development of the country, production, and so on ... Yes, it is possible, but for some reason it was not directed. Ukraine turned out to be far from Belarus. Where did the stubbornness and cunning of the Ukrainians turn out to be, when, just for the sake of gaining specific people, gas prices were raised and conflicts started? Okay, that too. But Ukraine went further. I can call it nothing more than arrogance. There were wars in the gas sector, in transit, even the very organization of this transit, games with the Black Sea fleet, and so on. Well it would seem - and so Lafa - save a lot of money on everything. The lack of need for the army, Russian markets, all possible support, transit income, and more. But this is not enough. It turned out that you can take money on the other hand. Russia is already used to it, it will not go anywhere, it will still pay, protect, support and uphold interests in international politics. This means that you can behave somewhat inappropriately, pump up anti-Russian sentiments and get money for it, you can get closer to NATO and promise a base for them in your own right, in the zone of Russia's interests, in its underbelly. And what’s most interesting - and it rolled. While the game didn’t go on a big one and they began to rule Ukraine, they did not pay money but directly. And here it was not just impossible to endure, but criminally. And no one endured. Steps have been taken to ensure the security of our territories, our people, our interests. One can argue how sufficient the steps were. BUT THERE IS THE QUESTION was not enough, but that would not harm Ukraine too much. Because the leadership is temporary workers, and people are people.
  50. 0
    13 September 2018 22: 23
    Yeah, let them arm. I won’t be surprised if the Ukrainian Armed Forces (from the territory of Ukraine) launch a missile attack on NATO bases in Poland and Romania ... with Iskanders stolen from Russia ...
  51. +1
    14 September 2018 01: 26
    The author forgot to note that this army hates its command much more. than Russia.
  52. 0
    14 September 2018 06: 21
    Ukraine is, figuratively speaking, Bender’s pawn promoted to the NATO queen.
    Huge cheap human resources, motivated by Russophobia and in the future pumped up by the military potential of the entire Western world.
    They will train, train, school, mobilize, and drag them to Osten.
  53. +2
    14 September 2018 07: 49
    If you want to defeat your opponent, you must hate him more than he hates you. This is what we see now, only from the other side. The trend is dangerous. We saw this at the beginning of the Second World War. All the arguments that the German proletariat will not fight the proletarian state turned out to be false. But when the people learned about the atrocities of the Germans on the territory of the USSR, everything changed.
    These are very dangerous mantras about “brotherly” people. I have no doubt that the West, with the help of the “brotherly” people, will stage a provocation on the border. And he will yell about aggressive Russia. And they have a lot of things in their arsenal. Example: creaking, chlorine, etc.
  54. +3
    14 September 2018 09: 03
    Correct article! Enough with the mischief. We have constant Su 27 flights in Ozernoye, even at night, which has not happened since the Soviet Union. There is constant shooting at the training ground in Perlovka. So the dill are actively being prepared and there is no need to fool around here. We should have taken it in 14, but now this a completely different army.
  55. 0
    14 September 2018 13: 19
    If even a small part of the population is against the occupiers, it will be impossible to defeat Ukraine. I read about analytical calculations that if you have trained terrorists within a few percent of the population, you can destabilize any country. The whole point is that any small number of terrorists distracts special forces several times larger in number. What if this happens in different places over a large area? The troops simply physically do not have time to do anything. But with the support of the population, this is generally a problem, Syria shows this. And who will support the rest of the population - providing work, marketing products, housing and communal services, paying pensions, education, medicine... After all, this falls on the shoulders of the occupiers, i.e. to Russia.
    1. 0
      15 September 2018 01: 28
      Lena, you read a little wrong and you don’t imagine it that way. And Syria is not that example at all.
      Take Iraq and Afghanistan as an example, all this is much more clear there. And this is all within the framework of the occupation.
      Why occupy Ukraine? Well, what's the point of this? I'm not even talking about the very blasphemy of thinking about it. The one who wrote the analytical calculations that you read deliberately lied or was a very narrow-minded person.
      In fact, Ukraine is now under such occupation. They are headed by the leaders of a certain regime. They have local troops, police, and intelligence services under their control. ALL. And nothing more is needed. Of the population, only Donbass rebelled. In other places there is dissatisfaction and tension, but this does not interfere with the process. Odessa was filled with blood and scared many.
      That's all. What you are talking about is already happening. You just need to change the leader to someone loyal to the other side. And further forward with new slogans.

      Now I’ll write in a little more detail, it’ll be a lot of letters, but I’ll try to make it shorter. In Ukraine, it so happens that an oligarchy is in power. This is the fusion of capital and power. When in reality capital controls the country directly. Each region has its own oligarchs with their own interests. And oligarchs don’t have their own country. They are people of the world, because at any moment they can leave and live perfectly in another place. They don't care about anything. They are the opponents of law, order, and so on. Because they are supported by various forces along the verticals. These forces can do anything for their goals. And no invaders, occupiers, troops, etc. are needed. Ours!!!!!! you understand, YOURSELF people will keep order and control everything around them. For them it is power, money, strength. In return, they fulfill the political will, which they essentially don’t care about.
      Hence, the country’s defense is to ensure that such immoral forces have less room to move. Fewer options and so on. The more order there is, the fewer oligarchic systems, the less illegal influences, the more resistant the country is to occupation and power from outside.
  56. Ham
    0
    14 September 2018 18: 23
    what does the author mean? commentators on VO or does he have any complaints against the General Staff?
  57. 0
    14 September 2018 21: 35
    Quote: Antares
    And the hats...Russian society also needs to be pumped up...Because it’s bad in Ukraine, because there are some fascists, Banderaites, there’s no army, and so on.

    To be honest, everything has somehow calmed down. Nobody cares a little about whether Ukraine is good or bad. So you say that everything is fine and I am purely humanly happy. I'm glad that you don't care about the lives of your fellow citizens who live in poverty. They were promised European development, but in reality they took away everything they had and threw it back for decades.
    What kind of Banderaites, fascists, just the state officially and unofficially kills its citizens. Laws and rights are being violated in many ways; the state has lost its exclusive right to violence. The country is governed from outside. And at the local level, a handful of oligarchs share power and income without regard for anything. The right has become only a designation of direction. Of course, this doesn’t mean it’s really that terrible. I say people are people. And somewhere in a human way, but what I described above takes place, moreover, it manifests itself in many ways. And citizens wait and endure, because today they were not affected.
    There is no need to pump us up with anything. What was supposed to happen happened. You cannot always be a country that lives according to the principle of “ours and yours” and put income first. Those whom you now call friends have essentially mutilated your country without pity. But you call them friends. Well, okay, but I don’t believe that you are simply for Ukraine. YOU are one of those who essentially wishes her decline and suffering. Those who support its collapse.
  58. 0
    15 September 2018 01: 13
    Quote: Antares
    Different. For Kremlin policy is a concentrated interest of corporations and it is fundamentally different from nat. oriented Russian. As soon as the domestic policy of prosperity is concentrated, I will only be glad. It’s shameful to call their country (as those who call the Sovkom -SSSR).

    This is all verbiage. You will not be able to substantiate your statements about the interest of corporations.
    It turns out there is a national What kind of policy is oriented and who represents it? Navalny? :))))
    Internal Russian prosperity policy will be concentrated where? Everything you say is not some specific static things, but comparative ones. It’s not clear what you’re comparing to. If we compare Russia today, even in crisis conditions, with Russia in the 90s or with today’s Ukraine, then this is not just a policy of prosperity, but outright prosperity.
    Quote: Antares
    I will smile. If it were really a goal, no one would have died. Interestingly, internally displaced persons fall under this "protection"?
    yes, then I’m apparently also a cannibal ...

    It doesn't happen that way. Of course, you can say this, but that’s all. All actions lead to death and it is unknown in which case there would be more of them.
    Quote: Antares
    sure. I have never been to Kiev, but once "we" - what can we argue. And the House of Trade Unions, fortunately, it is 5 minutes away, too, did I burn down the church, or was it all like that in the 16th century before me?
    Turning to me, as to the current politician of Ukraine or "Bandera" you are, to put it mildly, mistaken. I did not even vote for Poroshenko and is very far from the ideas of the Maidan, after which we live worse and worse.

    And I didn’t talk about you personally. From the very beginning I identified a certain contingent, which includes you, and I spoke about it. You don’t have to vote for Poroshenko, you wrote about the debt in the army that is at war with Donbass and so on. I don't know whether you consider this a national idea or not. But this is no longer so important in this case.
    Quote: Antares
    until 2013, we didn’t even need an army (which was why it wasn’t by 2014). We rested on BM and Russian-Ukrainian treaties and others with Western partners. Even the Tuzla conflict didn’t really teach anything.
    Nothing foreshadowed such a war with a proxy with Russian support.

    So maybe it wasn’t worth starting?
    I wrote above about the fact that you didn’t need an army, and the point here is not at all about some kind of agreements. Don’t even talk about agreements with Western partners. If you haven’t seen Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on, then something is wrong here. I also already wrote about Russian-Ukrainian agreements. There was no need to be impudent and play both sides.
    Ukraine had everything. You can even count the steps that drove her deeper and deeper. Even in the limbo in which Ukraine has been since the time of Yushchenko, it could have remained for a very long time. Yes, it was a gradual decline, but extremely slow. Moreover, various social obligations and the life of citizens were quite bearable. Ask any person what their main complaint is about Ukraine. Yes, the fact is that, living essentially as a satellite of Russia, they constantly snapped and tried to somehow cheat. I apologize for the terms, but this is purely for brevity. I remember back in the 80s, the idea was slowly but surely planted that people in Moscow were eating our lard. What Ukraine feeds Moscow. And so on. But that doesn’t happen. If you enjoy benefits, then respect the one who shares with you. And they didn’t ask for anything, there were no humiliations. Yes, they called him a younger brother, that’s the maximum; sometimes, in a fit of activity, someone sociable like Vladimir Volfovich could say something. But not at the official level. AND THAT'S ALL. There were no demands, humiliations, etc. Unfortunately, it couldn’t have been any other way. I don’t want to describe it for a long time, but those who paid attention to what was happening and were interested in Ukraine remember all this. When there are several owners in a house and everyone works for themselves, then naturally the interests will be different and certainly not the country in the first place.
  59. 0
    15 September 2018 02: 21
    However, an important detail is missing behind all these reviews: a huge number of problems in the Ukrainian army, but nevertheless over the past four years, including with the help of NATO instructors and representatives of the special services, they managed to create an openly hostile in relation to Russia armed conglomerate. This is an association of people, a large percentage of whom hate with fierce hatred everything that is at least somehow connected with Russia, and against the background of hatred of their own authorities, driving them into the mouth of the civil war, called by Kiev “the Russian hybrid”.

    And what have I been saying and writing here for years - so that this does not happen - Ukraine and all other countries of the USSR must be part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia and Russian troops must stand there. Moreover, these countries must become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia -VOLUNTARY, at their own request and desire, without aggression and occupation on the part of Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. And for this it is necessary that the people of these countries see in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia protection, peace, goodness, justice, wealth.And for this, in Russia there is no need to raise the retirement age! So that people can see that in Russia people live well, fairly, in protection, peace and wealth.
    Otherwise, there will be foreign military bases, missile defense and terrorist mercenary camps there. Their territory will be used as a springboard for military operations against Russia. And the people will be turned into fiercely hating Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russian Orthodox Russia Christian in Russophobes and enemies ready to kill you.
    And you feel like you're hitting the wall!
    You laugh at me and you won’t see further than your nose! And there are already enemy military bases near Russia itself, missile defense and mercenary camps where there are no military bases. Look, NATO is nearby. And ISIS is like a camp of terrorist mercenaries.
    Well, laugh further.
    1. 0
      15 September 2018 10: 34
      You see what’s the matter, they’re laughing at you not because you have promising ideas that others don’t understand. But because you write nonsense. Everything you wrote is not related to each other, but partly an attempt at blackmail. Don’t do this or that, otherwise I’ll pay, and the country will feel bad :(
      For some reason, people like you suddenly decided that they had learned the world and knew how to do it correctly. I will not specify why this event happened, I think many already understand. But in reality, you listened to something somewhere, added your own fantasies, but do not have enough qualifications to understand. This is why people laugh when they see such a terrible mess.
      Quote: ludrossia
      Ukraine and all other countries of the USSR must be part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia and Russian troops must stand there.

      Here you are. That is, the former republics, in the person of their leaders, who, for the most part, DESIRE to lead their own separate fiefdom without any leaders, suddenly have to go to some new state where they will not be the masters? I wonder why this would happen? Or are you proposing to conquer them?
      But what about the Tatars, Chechens, and many peoples of Central Asia who are Muslims? Should they also suddenly become Orthodox Christians? Should Russian troops stand? That is, these countries should still be occupied and captured? You see, you have now, out of your great mind, come up with 3 reasons to hate us, in order to drag our country into a terrible conflict with great confrontations, losses and enmity with our closest neighbors. Agree, it’s good that you can only write your own not very healthy things and do not have power.
      Quote: ludrossia
      And for this it is necessary that the people of these countries see in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia protection, peace, goodness, justice, wealth.

      You are wrong again and wrote nonsense. All the concepts that you wrote are not some kind of dogma, they are comparative concepts. Protection from whom? World? Funny. I'll tell you another secret. In Europe, the USA, and their satellites, which are “Competitors” to Russia, life is generally good. And they don’t want to divide the market, divide the opportunities, divide the benefits for obvious reasons. Because then they will have less, the commodity-money relations built over decades and various political, economic and other dependencies will be broken. For some, this will be a big change in both production and their way of life in general. Therefore, they will resist with all possible force. Both protection and peace will need to be ensured against this entire spectrum of comrades. And this means having not just the most powerful army in the world, but one that is superior or at least able to resist and defend against most of the other armies. Which, given the increased territories and borders, is not only extremely expensive, but also impossible. The American army, which is the strongest in the world, spends about 700 billion dollars. Even if spending money on the army is more efficient, it will be hundreds of billions of dollars - where are you going to get it from? And you understand that instead of peace, wealth and prosperity, you will lead the country to complete ruin. Well, at least think a little bit about one thesis.
      Goodness, justice, wealth. But this is an even bigger mistake. Unfortunately, you don't know history at all. You don’t understand the differences in the mentality of peoples and, in fact, you don’t understand anything political at all, but you have a passionate desire to reform everything. This is worse than the enemy.
      Understand - goodness, justice, wealth are DIFFERENT for different layers of society, for different countries, for different forms of government, for different peoples!!! You are once again showing that you want to come into every home and impose your own rules there, make people think the way you want, change and break everything that has been assembled somewhere for thousands of years. You understand that you are worse than Hitler. What you propose has been implemented to some extent by IS (an organization banned in Russia), but if you are on the same path with them, then you are not on the same path with us.
      Quote: ludrossia
      And for this, in Russia there is no need to raise the retirement age! So that people can see that in Russia people live well, fairly, in protection, peace and wealth.

      But this is simple naive childish blackmail. it has an indirect relation to justice, wealth and even protection. You can reduce the pension altogether and still give people the opportunity to live richly, fairly, securely and everything else. Do you understand? Not again? The importance of retirement age for people now is because there are no other forms of social protection and support for people of a certain age or health status. That's all. If there were these funds, no one would care about retirement age. In China, for example, there is no pension in the form that we have, but somehow they live somewhat well and are protected and, in their own way, fair. You simply transferred your personal aspirations to the national scale. And yes, I am against raising the retirement age, but I don’t think that this is the key factor for all the concepts you listed.
  60. +1
    15 September 2018 04: 03
    Half-measures and attempts to adapt to Mr. Putin’s Europe did not allow the Donbass militia to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Mariupol in 15th and throw back the national. baht beyond the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
    Two full-blooded regions with powerful industrial potential would represent a much greater force than the two current “cuts” ....
  61. 0
    15 September 2018 11: 22
    Quote: ludrossia
    Otherwise, there will be foreign military bases there

    And that's not true. Look at whose bases are there. Not at all those who demonstrate justice and so on. And those who pay money and have influence in the world. You can see how much peace, goodness and goodness they brought to Iraq, Afghanistan and how many troops were there and what they did.
    Quote: ludrossia
    and terrorist mercenary camps.

    But whatever this happens, there must be a correct ideology, something that you have completely forgotten about. The population must be educated correctly, must support the education and ideology of the state. Well, help the work of the special services. Again, don’t look anywhere - people fled from the well-fed and prosperous West to IS (an organization banned in Russia).
    Quote: ludrossia
    And the people will be turned into fiercely hating Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia into Russophobes and enemies ready to kill you.

    Naturally, if you do at least part of what your fevered mind suggests, everything will be so.
    Quote: ludrossia
    And you feel like you're hitting the wall!

    like peas hitting a wall - that’s right.
    Quote: ludrossia
    You laugh at me and you won’t see further than your nose!

    Yes, it's better to laugh. Because, as even a cursory glance at your verses showed, you don’t see beyond your nose, you don’t have any education and understanding of the things and processes happening around you. You don’t know how the state works and all that. Moreover, no one talks about any special knowledge - the simplest, most superficial ones will do. But there are none. How there is no knowledge of at least some history.
    I ask you - calm down. I perfectly understand your condition and how you understand. But only by recognizing the obvious that your knowledge, understanding and fantasies are not enough to understand the surrounding reality. And your advice is harmful, since it does not take into account either science or historical experience.
  62. 0
    15 September 2018 11: 27
    Quote: Volos
    Half measures and attempts to adapt to Mr. Putin’s Europe

    Another nonsense poured into the ears of adherents of the real truth and the discovery of all secrets from the latest gurus.
    An attempt to conduct a normal dialogue and act from a position of reason and communication with the West. But any healthy or not so healthy person on the forum, NATURALLY, has much greater knowledge and understanding. And he is even the lord of Mars, the lord of pink ponies, and so on. How are you different from the potheads then, who also began to resolve the issue with force and blood?

    Quote: Volos
    They did not allow the Donbas militia to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Mariupol in 15th and throw back the national. baht beyond the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
    Two full-blooded regions with powerful industrial potential would represent a much greater force than the two current “cuts” ....

    and this is also game. Even to defend their land when they were killed, volunteers did not go in a very large flow to the DPR and LPR. And you want the rest of the residents to run happily too. And it would all be easy and quick in your head. As I understand it from Girkin’s words. And without any more justification for this. Having no strength to either consolidate or control such territory.
  63. +1
    15 September 2018 13: 17
    If the Kiev junta still has a desire to go into armed conflict with Russia and their NATO curators support it with force and weapons, then NATO members will need to think about retaliatory missile and bomb attacks on London-Brussels-Washington military bases and seaports and airfields. In the event of a war against Russia, it will no longer be possible to sit out in quiet Europe or overseas. Anyone who wishes to “catch a fish” in Russian blood will be rewarded according to his deserts.
    Russia does not need a world in which there will be no Russia - all professional and armchair political experts should remember this.
  64. 0
    16 September 2018 12: 25
    A very timely post.
    Like it or not, the formation of its own real statehood is taking place in Ukraine. And we know well from history how barefoot and naked revolutionary armies sometimes crushed well-equipped and trained armies of interventionists. 8-(
  65. 0
    16 September 2018 14: 53
    Quote: M. Michelson
    Like it or not, the formation of its own real statehood is taking place in Ukraine.

    As far as I understand from the article, this is not about statehood, but about the formation of an army. It's not the same thing. It’s too early to talk about statehood. Until the state fulfills its own international obligations, until a real development program appears, until steps are taken to turn the country towards people and not ambitions, I think it is too early to talk about the formation of real statehood.

    About the army and the military-industrial complex. We talked a lot about this and there were articles in VO. Actually, Ukraine’s actions are extremely correct - the military-industrial complex is becoming a kind of driver of development. People are getting busy, production and engineers are working poorly. Some kind of national program replacing the development of other areas. In my opinion, it can help you hold on much longer before taking real steps. But in this form it cannot become a full-fledged driver and launch all the structures with which it is connected. And what is most disappointing is that any production in Ukraine is accompanied by a postscript that it is against Russia. Sometimes directly, sometimes in hints. And it's scary. On the one hand, you wish the brothers the restoration of the country; on the other hand, you are horrified by the political implications.

    Now the army itself. All military-industrial complex production goes mainly to the domestic market. Since the quality and technological level of most products is not needed outside the country or does not allow the product to be brought to market, usually due to quality. And you can laugh for a long time at yet another non-optimal decision. But why look far for examples where much less optimal and technologically advanced solutions defeated normal - modern ones. I would not want conditions to be created where this equipment would be tested in battle, as well as not only equipment, but training and other military disciplines.
  66. +1
    16 September 2018 16: 37
    Quote: Red_Baron
    You see what’s the matter, they’re laughing at you not because you have promising ideas that others don’t understand. But because you write nonsense. Everything you wrote is not related to each other, but partly an attempt at blackmail. Don’t do this or that, otherwise I’ll pay, and the country will feel bad :(
    For some reason, people like you suddenly decided that they had learned the world and knew how to do it correctly. I will not specify why this event happened, I think many already understand. But in reality, you listened to something somewhere, added your own fantasies, but do not have enough qualifications to understand. This is why people laugh when they see such a terrible mess.

    I write the truth. The truth is confirmed by time.
    But you write nonsense.
    The country and the people feel bad about this. The people and the country have turned into colonies and slaves of the United States. I have not fantasies, but facts. Confirmed by time: foreign troops are in those countries close to Russia. People there are made into Russophobes, ready to fight and kill Russians, against Russia, for the interests of the United States instead of the Americans.
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  68. 0
    16 September 2018 16: 52
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    Ukraine and all other countries of the USSR must be part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia and Russian troops must stand there.

    Here you are. That is, the former republics, in the person of their leaders, who, for the most part, DESIRE to lead their own separate fiefdom without any leaders, suddenly have to go to some new state where they will not be the masters? I wonder why this would happen? Or are you proposing to conquer them?
    But what about the Tatars, Chechens, and many peoples of Central Asia who are Muslims? Should they also suddenly become Orthodox Christians? Should Russian troops stand? That is, these countries should still be occupied and captured? You see, you have now, out of your great mind, come up with 3 reasons to hate us, in order to drag our country into a terrible conflict with great confrontations, losses and enmity with our closest neighbors. Agree, it’s good that you can only write your own not very healthy things and do not have power.

    Because these princelings were eager to lead, the people became worse. One single country was divided and the people began to live worse, not better.
    This is not a new state - Russia is our country. The country of the people of the former countries of the USSR. And these people, the people, can also be the master if the people of Russia vote for them and choose the Russian Orthodox Christian.
    From the fact that Russia, Russian Russian Orthodox Christian, can protect us all, that it is rich, has all the resources and an army capable of protecting us. But individually, we are weak and can be easily conquered and turned into slaves, or killed, destroyed.
    I do not propose to conquer. I propose that they themselves, of their own accord, of their own free will, ask to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. And I wrote this. You cannot keep people under pressure, aggression, occupation.
    It is necessary to make such conditions so that these people and countries see in Russia the Russian Orthodox Christian - protection, peace, goodness, justice, prosperity, wealth, present and future. And therefore, so that they themselves ask for it, according to their own desire and desire and of their own free will, they became part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Church, and then Russian troops will stand there.
    And it’s good to be with Tatars, Chechens, Muslims. Well, we wouldn’t mind if they really became Orthodox Christians. But no one needs to force it. The true Orthodox Christian faith is when a person himself believes, in his soul and with the body, and not from under the stick. From under the stick, a person only shows the appearance, but does not really believe. Because he is forced.
    You see, I came up with everything correctly and suggested the only correct solution to you all. And you don’t have the mind to understand it. I came up with everything so that Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, would conquer the world, without a single shot and conquest. With goodness, peace, protection, fairness. And you are so stupid that you don’t want to understand this.
    It's too bad that I don't have power. With me, all the former countries of the USSR would return to the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia themselves voluntarily, of their own free will and at their own discretion. I would raise the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia to great heights. And I write very healthy things. You write unhealthy things.
  69. +1
    16 September 2018 17: 43
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    And for this it is necessary that the people of these countries see in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia protection, peace, goodness, justice, wealth.

    You are wrong again and wrote nonsense. All the concepts that you wrote are not some kind of dogma, they are comparative concepts. Protection from whom? World? Funny. I'll tell you another secret. In Europe, the USA, and their satellites, which are “Competitors” to Russia, life is generally good. And they don’t want to divide the market, divide the opportunities, divide the benefits for obvious reasons. Because then they will have less, the commodity-money relations built over decades and various political, economic and other dependencies will be broken. For some, this will be a big change in both production and their way of life in general. Therefore, they will resist with all possible force. Both protection and peace will need to be ensured against this entire spectrum of comrades. And this means having not just the most powerful army in the world, but one that is superior or at least able to resist and defend against most of the other armies. Which, given the increased territories and borders, is not only extremely expensive, but also impossible. The American army, which is the strongest in the world, spends about 700 billion dollars. Even if spending money on the army is more efficient, it will be hundreds of billions of dollars - where are you going to get it from? And you understand that instead of peace, wealth and prosperity, you will lead the country to complete ruin. Well, at least think a little bit about one thesis.
    Goodness, justice, wealth. But this is an even bigger mistake. Unfortunately, you don't know history at all. You don’t understand the differences in the mentality of peoples and, in fact, you don’t understand anything political at all, but you have a passionate desire to reform everything. This is worse than the enemy.
    Understand - goodness, justice, wealth are DIFFERENT for different layers of society, for different countries, for different forms of government, for different peoples!!! You are once again showing that you want to come into every home and impose your own rules there, make people think the way you want, change and break everything that has been assembled somewhere for thousands of years. You understand that you are worse than Hitler. What you propose has been implemented to some extent by IS (an organization banned in Russia), but if you are on the same path with them, then you are not on the same path with us.

    I’m right again and wrote the truth. And you’re wrong again and wrote stupidity. All the concepts that I wrote are facts. Protection from enemies. Yes, peace. What’s funny? - Everyone wants to live well and in peace. I’ll tell you a secret -not in all of Europe and even in the USA - not everyone lives well. But what you wrote next - that they don’t want to share the benefits - here I agree. That’s why they had a hand in ruining our country and removing us - as a competitor.
    And in the fact that you write that they will oppose goodness, peace, protection, justice, we do not agree with you. They will see in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia - protection, peace, goodness, justice, prosperity, wealth, present and future - and therefore -they will strive to go to Russia, they will desire, want and strive to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia - in order to live in protection, in peace, in goodness, with justice, in wealth, in prosperity. In order to live well. They themselves will strive to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, they will support the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia - and as part of Russia - strengthen it, protect it, defend it. And they will be against those oppressors - who have no protection, peace, goodness. They will be against them - and they will strive to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. For Russian Orthodox Christian Russia will be a stronghold of protection, peace, goodness, justice, prosperity, wealth. A kind of paradise on earth, Eden, the only superpower on planet Earth. Therefore, people and nations. will then strive to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia themselves. voluntarily. at their own request and according to their desire.
    Russia's Russian Orthodox Christian, at this stage, will well be revived to the size of the USSR. Quite. Up to the size of Eurasia, it’s generally enough. Increased territories and borders are easier to defend, guard and control when our Russian troops are there. And not to defend forever and waste money, people and other resources when Russia is attacked. And then- to recover from the ashes and ruins, again on your own bones, at the expense of yourself and your resources.
    The American army is not the strongest. The strongest army is the Russian Orthodox Christian army. We, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, do not need dollars for the army. We have rubles. You can just make the ruble equal to the dollar.Russia has all the resources for this. And the dollar is just a piece of paper. There are absolutely ALL resources: land, natural resources, the periodic table, hydrocarbons, human resources - all this is absolutely there in Russia. Russia is provided with everything necessary for good to live and feed and provide everything necessary for your soldier. From all these resources, everything can be done - people will make enough food - raise enough on the ground and fatten animals.And - as I wrote earlier - it is less expensive - to avoid war altogether, to prevent it - than to suffer large losses in the defense and then restoration of the country, state, empire - if more countries win the war and defend their right to life, and not will be destroyed and killed. Those countries that do not feed their soldiers come to complete ruin. Then foreign soldiers invade these countries and everyone is slaughtered, killed, captured into slavery. The country and people are slaughtered, killed or captured as slaves and colony. Then death comes to the country and the state. I will lead the country to wealth and prosperity. But people like you have already led the country to complete ass - when across the road - strangers' soldiers are looking through your window and the barrel of someone else's tank climbs into your window .
    Goodness, justice, wealth. This is the truth. I know the history and essence of man. People strive for goodness. No one wants to be killed or live like a slave.
    It’s - you don’t know the story - whoever doesn’t feed his own soldier feeds someone else’s.
    It’s you who don’t understand anything politically, neither about mentality, nor about human existence. That’s why people like you have fucked up the country and now we are divided, surrounded by enemy troops, and some are enslaved.
    Goodness, justice, wealth. This is the truth. I know the history and essence of man. People strive for goodness. No one wants to be killed or live like a slave.
    Good is good. You cannot be a little good and a little bad. You are either good or evil. And everyone has the same concept of good and evil. Not a single person wants to be killed or become a cripple or a slave.
    I don’t want to come anywhere and force anyone or impose anything on anyone. This is all your lies, slander and fiction. I want to make Russian Orthodox Russia such that other people, peoples, countries, states, empires will look at Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, on Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian - and they themselves sought, wanted and desired to become part of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, themselves, of their own free will, according to their desire, at their own request. And they entered. Seeing Russian Orthodox Christian in Russia protection, peace, goodness, prosperity, justice, wealth, present and future, how good, in protection, in peace, in goodness, in justice, in prosperity, in wealth people live in Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
    You don’t understand and there is no need to compare me with Hitler and ISIS. Hitler and ISIS are conquerors and conquerors, aggressors, occupiers, parasites.
    I don’t want and don’t intend to attack or conquer anyone. I want to make such a country out of Russia as a Russian Orthodox Christian country, such conditions that people themselves would strive to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, voluntarily, according to their own desire and desire .Seeing in Russia the Russian Orthodox Christian - the only superpower on planet Earth - where you can live calmly and well, there is protection from oppressors and enslavers - occupiers - parasites - aggressors; where you can live happily ever after in peace and goodness and wealth and prosperity.
    I hope I explained everything clearly, chewed it out???????
    Hitler and ISIS are not standing next to me - they are aggressors, parasites, occupiers, invaders. I am not. I am kind and good, I do not want and am not going to capture anyone. I am Russia, I will make the Russian Orthodox Christian so that people and all other countries themselves will want and want and will be part of Russia by the Russian Orthodox Christians. - THEMSELVES, VOLUNTARILY, BY THEIR WILL, BY THEIR OWN DESIRES. I WILL NOT CAPTURE THEM.My Russia will protect itself and its people and is kind, good, rich, fair. And you turn everything upside down.
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    16 September 2018 17: 58
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    And for this, in Russia there is no need to raise the retirement age! So that people can see that in Russia people live well, fairly, in protection, peace and wealth.

    But this is simple naive childish blackmail. it has an indirect relation to justice, wealth and even protection. You can reduce the pension altogether and still give people the opportunity to live richly, fairly, securely and everything else. Do you understand? Not again? The importance of retirement age for people now is because there are no other forms of social protection and support for people of a certain age or health status. That's all. If there were these funds, no one would care about retirement age. In China, for example, there is no pension in the form that we have, but somehow they live somewhat well and are protected and, in their own way, fair. You simply transferred your personal aspirations to the national scale. And yes, I am against raising the retirement age, but I don’t think that this is the key factor for all the concepts you listed.

    But this is not naive, but one of the steps towards justice and wealth. It has a very direct relationship.
    It is important for people not to raise the retirement age - to drive them into a coffin, so that they die at work from backbreaking labor, being old, frail, decrepit, sick. And it is important to leave the retirement age and not raise it - so that people can take a break from work in retirement and live at least for a while.
    But there are funds. Cut the salaries of deputies, officials and directors. The salary of a deputy is 380. The salary of a worker is 000. Here are the funds for you. And also, confiscate their apartments, cottages, yachts. A-mediocre and lazy, smart-assed lazy people- remove - so as not to pay and not spend money on them. Here are the ready-made funds.
    If it’s worse in China than in Russia, then don’t set China as an example for us. We should focus on the best, not the worst.
    I brought not my aspirations, but the aspirations of the people throughout Russia to the Russian Orthodox Christian. People have organized and will organize rallies throughout Russia to the Russian Orthodox Christian. Because the people, the people, DO NOT WANT AN INCREASE IN THE PENSION AGE - WHAT PEOPLE TOLD YOU ABOUT AT THE RALLIES AND POSTED ON THE INTERNET SO THAT YOU ENJOY THE TRUTH AND TRUTH.
    And when people in other countries see that in Russia the retirement age has been preserved (for men at 60 years old to retire, for women at 55 years old, for military and law enforcement agencies at 45 years old, disability pensions and others have been preserved, but not increased This is also one of the reasons why they will want to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.
    This factor - not raising the retirement age - is one of the decisive factors, together with other factors, why people, peoples and countries will want to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.
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    16 September 2018 18: 14
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    Otherwise, there will be foreign military bases there

    And that's not true. Look at whose bases are there. Not at all those who demonstrate justice and so on. And those who pay money and have influence in the world. You can see how much peace, goodness and goodness they brought to Iraq, Afghanistan and how many troops were there and what they did.

    And this is true. Look at whose bases there are. There are bases of aggressors-occupiers-parasites-enslavers. The people of those countries where there are American military bases of the United States do not have the rights of Americans, do not control the US currency - the dollar, are not considered one people -Americans and do not enjoy their rights - do not control the currency - the dollar, land, resources of the USA. They are just slaves and colonies.
    You can see how much evil, murder and destruction they brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Africa - how many people the USA killed there, devastated countries, destroyed them or turned them into drug trafficking - like Afghanistan.
    And how do people live there now? - In poverty, in cold, in hunger, running naked with machine guns and shooting at everyone and everything so as not to be killed. This is the height of civilization there now.
  73. 0
    16 September 2018 18: 30
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    and terrorist mercenary camps.

    But whatever this happens, there must be a correct ideology, something that you have completely forgotten about. The population must be educated correctly, must support the education and ideology of the state. Well, help the work of the special services. Again, don’t look anywhere - people fled from the well-fed and prosperous West to IS (an organization banned in Russia).

    But to prevent this from happening, you yourself said, the population must be educated correctly. And if it is a foreign population, then they will be raised as strangers. And they will set up their own camps hostile to Russia for mercenary-terrorists-trained-to kill such people thick-headed sheep like you.
    Therefore, this population must be ours. And it must be ours, the Russian troops, the Russian Orthodox Christian army, and not strangers.
    Yes, the population should help the work of the special services. And for this, people in the security forces must see protection and justice -ELITE.
    I look where I need to all the time. It’s you who look in the wrong place.
    It is you who understand from your stupidity that people are like that. That evil, no matter how much you want it, has always been, is and will be.
    Even if you are kind and good and do good and good to people, there will always be a shitty one who will be bad. Who will like to offend, kill, take away, and so on.
    It’s the same with people - no matter how you raise your people to be kind and teach them - there will always be evil, aggressive people who will attack, take away, kill.
    Because doing good is difficult. You need to put in effort, will, force yourself, think, be patient. But to come and steal, deceive, kill, you need to spend less effort on this. Therefore, evil was, is and will be. And If you and your country and people are kind, but stupid and naive, then the aggressors-parasites-occupiers will come and kill you or enslave you.
    Well, because, because this is the way it is, it was and will be. And those who don’t understand this or don’t want to know or forget, die from such people. Alien soldiers come to them and kill, cut out and mock them. That , who does not feed his soldier feeds someone else. The truth is tested by time and human lives throughout the history of mankind.
    From the well-fed and prosperous West, people fled to the Islamic State - evil and bad. Real murderers, invaders, parasites, maniacs, those who are bad and evil, who like to kill, rape, maim, rob, looting.
    And if you forget, through your stupidity and naivety, or if you don’t know that such people exist, you will be destroyed by them, by evil. And your country and people, no matter how kind and good you and your country and people are.
    This is where your uncle chews everything out for you. That if you forget or don’t know that there is evil and evil people, you will be destroyed, because you will not be ready to defend yourself. To defend yourself. You will not build a defense and defense, but you will to think that all people are kind and good, like you and your people and your country. This will be your mistake and mistake, which will result in death or enslavement for you and your country and people.

    and here.
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    16 September 2018 18: 49
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    And the people will be turned into fiercely hating Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia into Russophobes and enemies ready to kill you.

    Naturally, if you do at least part of what your fevered mind suggests, everything will be so.

    Naturally, you don’t do as I tell you, there are no Russian troops there. Therefore, there are foreign troops standing there who want to kill you or enslave you. And therefore, since there are foreign troops standing there, and not Russians, these foreign troops are training and they turn that people into people who fiercely hate Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian. And Russia cannot do anything because it is not Russia. Russia has no influence there. Russia can only express concern. And now Russia cannot send troops there, because this would mean aggression, well, because this is not Russia, but a sovereign country.
    But if it were in my opinion - as I wrote - if it were Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, if there were Russian troops stationed there, then there wouldn’t be such lawlessness. No one would mock my people! No one would threaten him! My Russian troops would instantly destroy all the enslavers and parasitic aggressors and protect my people! My people would be alive and would live well. And they would love their defenders - Russian troops, the army of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. And would not be cattle and slaves and cannon fodder and expendable in the hands of slave owners.
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    16 September 2018 18: 53
    Quote: M. Michelson
    A very timely post.
    Like it or not, the formation of its own real statehood is taking place in Ukraine. And we know well from history how barefoot and naked revolutionary armies sometimes crushed well-equipped and trained armies of interventionists. 8-(

    A very timely post.
    whether you like it or not, in Ukraine there is the formation of slavery and a colony of Ukraine under the United States. And we know well from history how the weak, divided, separated - unable to defend themselves - are destroyed, cut out and enslaved by aggressors, parasites, occupiers.
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    16 September 2018 19: 27
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    You laugh at me and you won’t see further than your nose!

    Yes, it's better to laugh. Because, as even a cursory glance at your verses showed, you don’t see beyond your nose, you don’t have any education and understanding of the things and processes happening around you. You don’t know how the state works and all that. Moreover, no one talks about any special knowledge - the simplest, most superficial ones will do. But there are none. How there is no knowledge of at least some history.
    I ask you - calm down. I perfectly understand your condition and how you understand. But only by recognizing the obvious that your knowledge, understanding and fantasies are not enough to understand the surrounding reality. And your advice is harmful, since it does not take into account either science or historical experience.

    It’s better to deport such mediocrities and traitors like you from Russia to the Russian Orthodox Christian. Because, as even a cursory glance at my and your things showed, you don’t see beyond your nose. You have neither a concept nor an understanding of the things and processes happening around you .you don’t know how the state works, people and all that. And no one talks about any special knowledge - you don’t know the simplest, most superficial ones. But you don’t have it. Just like you don’t have knowledge of history.
    I ask you, calm down. We perfectly understand your condition and how you understand... But only by recognizing the obvious that your knowledge and understanding are not enough to understand the surrounding reality.
    And your advice is harmful.
    And my advice is correct and the only true one. wink
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    16 September 2018 20: 08
    Quote: ludrossia
    Quote: Red_Baron

    Quote: ludrossia
    and terrorist mercenary camps.

    But whatever this happens, there must be a correct ideology, something that you have completely forgotten about. The population must be educated correctly, must support the education and ideology of the state. Well, help the work of the special services. Again, don’t look anywhere - people fled from the well-fed and prosperous West to IS (an organization banned in Russia).

    But to prevent this from happening, you yourself said, the population must be educated correctly. And if it is a foreign population, then they will be raised as strangers. And they will set up their own camps hostile to Russia for mercenary-terrorists-trained-to kill such people thick-headed sheep like you.
    Therefore, this population must be ours. And it must be ours, the Russian troops, the Russian Orthodox Christian army, and not strangers.
    Yes, the population should help the work of the special services. And for this, people in the security forces must see protection and justice -ELITE.
    I look where I need to all the time. It’s you who look in the wrong place.
    It is you who understand from your stupidity that people are like that. That evil, no matter how much you want it, has always been, is and will be.
    Even if you are kind and good and do good and good to people, there will always be a shitty one who will be bad. Who will like to offend, kill, take away, and so on.
    It’s the same with people - no matter how you raise your people to be kind and teach them - there will always be evil, aggressive people who will attack, take away, kill.
    Because doing good is difficult. You need to put in effort, will, force yourself, think, be patient. But to come and steal, deceive, kill, you need to spend less effort on this. Therefore, evil was, is and will be. And If you and your country and people are kind, but stupid and naive, then the aggressors-parasites-occupiers will come and kill you or enslave you.
    Well, because, because this is the way it is, it was and will be. And those who don’t understand this or don’t want to know or forget, die from such people. Alien soldiers come to them and kill, cut out and mock them. That , who does not feed his soldier feeds someone else. The truth is tested by time and human lives throughout the history of mankind.
    From the well-fed and prosperous West, people fled to the Islamic State - evil and bad. Real murderers, invaders, parasites, maniacs, those who are bad and evil, who like to kill, rape, maim, rob, looting.
    And if you forget, through your stupidity and naivety, or if you don’t know that such people exist, you will be destroyed by them, by evil. And your country and people, no matter how kind and good you and your country and people are.
    This is where your uncle chews everything out for you. That if you forget or don’t know that there is evil and evil people, you will be destroyed, because you will not be ready to defend yourself. To defend yourself. You will not build a defense and defense, but you will to think that all people are kind and good, like you and your people and your country. This will be your mistake and mistake, which will result in death or enslavement for you and your country and people.

    and here.

    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must be stationed there.so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil upbringing: they do not become enslaved and become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and consumables in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people -For this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend! AND FOR THIS, THESE COUNTRIES MUST BE A COMPOSITION OF RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSIA - TO BE RUSSIA - A UNITED COUNTRY AND A ONE PEOPLE. And not foreign military bases and camps of mercenary terrorists - raising people there - is wrong and bad. Making of the people -, slaves, cannon fodder and consumables for their own interests.
    Here, my uncle chewed it all out for you very clearly.
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      16 September 2018 20: 21
      so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil upbringing: they do not become enslaved and become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and consumables in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people -For this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend! AND FOR THIS, THESE COUNTRIES MUST BE A COMPOSITION OF RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSIA, BE RUSSIA, A UNITED COUNTRY AND A ONE PEOPLE.

      In order for the Russian troops to stand there legally, and not as aggressors who attacked a sovereign country and captured it, these countries must be part of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia of their own free will, according to their voluntary desire, desire. The country must be united and indivisible and the people- united Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
      Hitler and ISIS are not standing next to me - they are aggressors, parasites, occupiers, invaders. I am not. I am kind and good, I don’t want and am not going to invade anyone. I will make Russia Russian Orthodox Christian such that people and all other countries themselves will desire and want and will be part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.- THEMSELVES, VOLUNTARILY, ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL, ACCORDING TO THEIR WISH. I WILL NOT CAPTURE THEM - THEY THEMSELVES WILL ASK TO BE A MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSIA SO THAT Russian Orthodox Christians, RUSSIA Russian Orthodox Christian ACCEPT THEM, BEG. My Russia will protect itself and its people and is kind, good, rich, fair. And you turn everything upside down.
      Uncle chewed it all out for you, look and listen.
  79. -1
    16 September 2018 23: 13
    Quote: ludrossia
    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must stand there, so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil education: they do not enslave and do not become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and expendable material in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people - for this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend!

    I say again - understand me. What you are proposing is occupation. Moreover, without your Russian soldiers in Chechnya they are resisting terrorists and other evil. and die and protect their citizens and others. So any healthy state, region, national republic or autonomy protects itself; it simply must have a properly developed tool to counter threats.

    And about my uncle. Why do I need some half-crazy uncle? Your ideas are so crazy and you don’t take into account a lot of things. I have already listed, you don’t know history at all, you don’t understand what’s happening around you, you don’t know how the state works, you don’t understand anything about sociology, and so on. And at the same time you focus on some ideas. I’m not surprised that you get them without reading or watching the programs of the relevant people. For example, famous historians, and not some alternative ones. philosophers, sociologists, economists and so on. And they sank to the very bottom. Listen to guys who tell you all this as they understand it themselves. How much they went with their heads doesn’t even bother you. I know this Denis Borisov. I even listened to a few of his videos - mostly delusional demagoguery.
    You are not even able to read and understand what I write. You still haven’t answered about Muslims and other religions. There are plenty of them in our country. How do you want to shove them into Orthodoxy? And our country is not religious. Religion as an addition. You propose to put it at the forefront. Nobody will allow you to do this. If only because we have many more non-believers than believers.
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    16 September 2018 23: 15
    Quote: ludrossia
    I’m not. I’m kind and good, I don’t want anyone and I’m not going to take over. I’m going to make Russian Orthodox Christian Russia such that people and all other countries themselves will want and want and will be part of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Nope, believe me, you won’t do it. It’s not smart for me to once again hint at your illness, but you cannot manage anyone with such diseases. To avoid saying so.
  81. 0
    20 September 2018 21: 59
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must stand there, so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil education: they do not enslave and do not become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and expendable material in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people - for this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend!

    I say again - understand me. What you are proposing is occupation.

    Think for yourself again, if there is anything. What I’m proposing is not occupation. You’re apparently not a smart person if you don’t understand what occupation is and can’t distinguish between occupation—when you’re forced to do something, and when people themselves want to do something. , of one's own free will, of one's own accord, of one's own volition.
    Well, read the meaning of the word “occupation”.
    Occupation (from the Latin. Occupatio - “seizure, occupation”) in the general case is the occupation by the armed forces of a state of a territory which does not belong to it, not accompanied by the acquisition of sovereignty over it and carried out in the absence of the will of the state possessing sovereignty over the territory [1], usually temporary. The occupation should be distinguished from the annexation, the act of accession by the state of all or part of the territory of others unilaterally.
    And I will make Russian Orthodox Christian Russia such that people, peoples, countries, states, empires themselves will not only want but dream of joining Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, becoming Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, the people of Russian Orthodox Russia Christian. Themselves, voluntarily, according to my desire, according to my dreams, according to my will and my desire. This is how I will make Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Paradise on Earth, Eden. In which people, peoples, countries, states, empires will strive to enter , go in and dream about it. Because they will see that people in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia live well, protected from all oppressors, enslavers, parasites; in justice, in prosperity, in wealth.
    I will not occupy them, I will not capture them.
    This is not an occupation. This is the voluntary entry of peoples and countries, people, states into Russia, the dream of becoming Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, Russian Orthodox Christians. Because they will see that people in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia live well, protected from all sorts of oppressors, enslavers, parasites; in justice, in prosperity, in wealth - therefore - they will strive to become part of Russia - to become Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.
  82. 0
    20 September 2018 22: 10
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must stand there, so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil education: they do not enslave and do not become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and expendable material in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people - for this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend!

    Moreover, without your Russian soldiers in Chechnya they are resisting terrorists and other evil. and die and protect their citizens and others. So any healthy state, region, national republic or autonomy protects itself; it simply must have a properly developed tool to counter threats.

    Without our Russian soldiers, Chechnya itself would not have survived this war. Yes, in Chechnya they resist terrorists and other evil spirits and die and protect their citizens and others.
    But without our soldiers, they themselves would not have been able to do it without the rest of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, with its population of approximately 140 million people and our Russian soldiers.
    Chechnya, on its own, would have lost and been separated from Russia by the Russian Orthodox Christians; it would have fallen under US occupation and turned into a US colony. And its population would have become Russophobes, ready to slaughter and kill Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Russia Orthodox Christian, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian. And those who would not agree to do this would face genocide of the population - total destruction, genocide. And in Chechnya there would be mercenary terrorist camps, and then US military bases and missile defense.
    A competently developed instrument is an army and security forces capable of protecting the country and citizens, the people from any threats. Chechnya itself cannot do this separately. Because it is small and weak. But when Chechnya-Russia is Russian Orthodox Christian, then behind Chechnya stands ALL of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, all Russian Orthodox Christians, the entire people of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, the army of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, our Russian troops. Where we are strong. When we united - one country, one people - we are invincible and we will cope with all problems and difficulties and threats.
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    20 September 2018 22: 22
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must stand there, so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil education: they do not enslave and do not become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and expendable material in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people - for this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend!

    And about my uncle. Why do I need some half-crazy uncle? Your ideas are so crazy and you don’t take into account a lot of things. I have already listed, you don’t know history at all, you don’t understand what’s happening around you, you don’t know how the state works, you don’t understand anything about sociology, and so on. And at the same time you focus on some ideas. I’m not surprised that you get them without reading or watching the programs of the relevant people. For example, famous historians, and not some alternative ones. philosophers, sociologists, economists and so on. And they sank to the very bottom. Listen to guys who tell you all this as they understand it themselves. How much they went with their heads doesn’t even bother you. I know this Denis Borisov. I even listened to a few of his videos - mostly delusional demagoguery.

    And about the uncle. I would at least provide one source and what the uncle says. You are just your sick fantasies.
    Why do I need some half-crazy uncle?

    If you don't want to, don't listen.I somehow don't care about you.THE MAIN THING IS OTHER PEOPLE WILL READ AND LISTEN TO THE UNCLE AND Draw CONCLUSIONS.And you don’t have to listen.
    I have healthy and good ideas - to make Russia Russian Orthodox Christian - the only superpower on planet Earth, Paradise on Earth, Eden - where people, peoples, countries, states, empires will dream of entering and will enter - become Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians. Of their own free will, of their own accord, according to their dreams, voluntarily. I will not capture them, occupy them, they themselves will ask and beg to be taken into Russia by the Russian Orthodox Christian. This is a very good and magnificent idea to do Russia Russian Orthodox Christian - so powerful, beautiful, attractive, rich.
    I take a bunch of things into account. I know history, I understand what’s happening around me, I know how the state works, I understand everything about sociology, and so on. It’s you who know nothing and don’t understand anything.
    And I watch many programs and famous historians. The same Mikheev, Zhirinovsky, Wasserman, Natalya. Poklonskaya, Zyuganov, Saturday evening with Solovyov and many others.
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    20 September 2018 22: 32
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    Even for this, as you wrote, it is necessary to educate correctly, so even for this, our Russian troops must stand there, so that people there do not fall under someone else’s, hostile, evil education: they do not enslave and do not become cattle, slaves, cannon fodder and expendable material in the wrong hands. For this, there, in the countries of the former USSR - in our countries - our country and among our people - for this, our Russian troops must stand there to defend!

    .
    You are not even able to read and understand what I write. You still haven’t answered about Muslims and other religions. There are plenty of them in our country. How do you want to shove them into Orthodoxy?

    It’s not me who is not able to read what you write. I read what you write and answered you. It’s you who are not able to read what I write and understand.
    I answered you about Muslims and other religions that exist in our country, but Russian Orthodox Christians predominate. I answered you that we WILL LIVE VERY WELL AND WILL LIVE WITH THEM WONDERFULLY. Just as we lived wonderfully before, we will live better. I answered you.
    I don’t want to force anyone into Orthodoxy.Don’t you see the letters and words or don’t you understand what I’m writing?This is purely their choice, their will and desire - whether they want to join Orthodoxy or not. Nobody forces them and will not force them. It’s just that many - when they see what Russia has done and will do, Russian Orthodox Christians will understand and feel the true faith - Orthodox Christianity -and they themselves will make the choice of Orthodox Christianity, if they want, voluntarily.
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      20 September 2018 22: 51
      Red_Baron (Andrey)
      Here are a couple more videos for you - what kind of Russia we have - Russian Orthodox Christian, how many Orthodox Christian churches, temples and monuments we have:


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    20 September 2018 23: 00
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: ludrossia
    I’m not. I’m kind and good, I don’t want anyone and I’m not going to take over. I’m going to make Russian Orthodox Christian Russia such that people and all other countries themselves will want and want and will be part of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Nope, believe me, you won’t do it. It’s not smart for me to once again hint at your illness, but you cannot manage anyone with such diseases. To avoid saying so.

    Yes yes yes, believe me. I will do it. It’s not clever for me to once again hint to you and write openly about your illness. I can and should manage with such magnificent and true ideas and decisions. I will turn Russian Orthodox Christian Russia into a fairy tale, into Paradise, to Eden, to the only superpower on the planet - earth - kind, strong, smart, beautiful, good, rich.

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