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Readiness of the Su-30CM for combat with US tactical aviation: a critical miscalculation or a verified step by the Defense Ministry?

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For hundreds of thousands of patriotic Russian observers news and military-analytical resources, especially "Voennoye Obozreniye", the past summer turned into a period of real torture for the nervous system caused by the unexpected destruction of castles in the air with respect to the early acquisition of operational combat readiness by the first squadrons of promising aviation complexes of the 5th generation Su-57 with the subsequent launch of their large-scale production, as well as tank brigades and regiments of the advanced main battle tanks T-14 Armata. An unprecedented resonance mixed with a stream of angry emotions among bloggers and commentators was caused by statements by the First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy and Innovative Development Sergey Gutenev and the government curator of the defense industry complex of Russia Yuri Borisov, in which senior officials noted that the launch of full-fledged production lines based on KnAAZ / KnAAPO and Uralvagonzavod, as well as building from scratch service lines for servicing serial products of these types (PAK FA and Armata) will hit the Russian treasury quite hard, not to mention the funds needed to produce several hundred units of similar equipment .

And all this despite the fact that, for example, one unique T-14 MBT on the basis of the Armata universal heavy tracked platform, which has an equivalent resistance from the LOPS of order 1000 mm in frontal projection and the highest specific power in its class, has an average price of about 4 million dollars, which is almost 2 times cheaper than "Leclerc", which is 1,7 times worse armor and habitable tower. The situation is similar with Su-57, which, in the presence of turbojet afterburner afterburner engines with an all-view thrust vector deviation system AL-41Ф1 (in the future more thrusting XDUMX XRUMX TRDDF) and more advanced (than in F-XNXX), is more sophisticated (than in F-XNXX of the 2 product) and more advanced (than in F-XNXX of the 30 product) and more advanced (than in F-XNXX of the 22 product) and more advanced (than in F-XNXX of the 036 product) and more advanced (than in the F-XNXX of the 70 product) and more advanced (than in the F-XNXX of 90) 3) Trilateral onboard AFAR-RLK H3 “Belka” has a cost of about 35 — XNUMX million dollars, which is almost XNUMX times cheaper than the eminent Raptor and corresponds to the cost of raw F-XNUMXA, distinguished by a mass of technological deficiencies, as well as incapable of selling in BVB element comfortably advanced aerobatics (except for the “Cobra Pugachev” with an incomplete turning angle in the plane of pitch, and even then only thanks to a high-performance computerized EDSU).

Naturally, such a state of affairs could not lead to the full agreement of experts and observers who are aware of technical issues, from the point of view of Gutenev and Borisov, especially when the price of Su-35С alone passes for 50 million dollars, approaching the value of the PAK FA. The latter clearly surpasses Su-35С both by the capabilities of the Н036 BRLS (azimuthal viewing area in 270 degrees versus 120 degrees in the Х035 "Irbis-E"), and by the minimum effective dispersion surface in 0,3 — 0,4 square. m., so that the F-22A “Raptor” pilots will be able to detect the Su-57 at a distance of just 150 — 170 km (Su-35C: 300 — 350 km), without taking into account the Raptor passive multi-element radio-intelligence complex — AN / ALR-94, effective only when working with enemy radio-emitting targets.

Later, the degree of dissatisfaction slightly decreased due to the statement by the deputy head of the defense department of the Russian Federation, Alexei Krivoruchko, who, at a speech at the International Military-Technical Forum “Army-2018” held in Kubinka, announced a contract for the supply of the Russian Army 132 MBT T-14 and BMP T-15 to “Armata” platform, which is quite enough for a decent strengthening of several tank-dangerous areas in European theaters at once, for example, due to the reinforcement by these machines of tank brigades and regiments already equipped with T-90A MBT. But here, again, this is not about any new contract, but about the deal between the Ministry of Defense and Uralvagonzavod, already concluded at the end of 2015, for the delivery of an experimental-military batch of vehicles to the ground forces of the Russian Federation. So nothing new was said. According to Su-57, the situation remains at the same level: in the next one or two years, operational combat readiness will be acquired by an experienced military squadron from 12 multifunctional aviation complexes, which, if the conflict escalates, can “make the weather” only in one air direction of a European theater.

Against the background of the above circumstances, the question arises: which multi-purpose fighters of the Aerospace Forces will be assigned the widest range of combat missions related to the achievement of superiority in the air (DVB, mid-range air combat / SVB, and BVB)? Considering the fact that the enemy will use the multifunctional low-profile F-5A and F-22A / B / C fighter jets, as well as the deeply improved versions of the F-35C "Eagle", F-15E "Strike", F-15C Block 16 / 40 / 42 / 50, Rafali and Typhoons of the 52 ++ generation, equipped with radar systems (in the appropriate order) AN / APG-4, AN / APG-77, AN / APG-81 (V) 63, AN / APG-2 (V) 82, AN / APG-1 SABR, RBE-83AA and, finally, "Captor-E", it is logical to assume that it is more expedient to involve the Su-2С with air battles equipped with the most high-energy H35 radar "Irbis -E "capable E detect F-035A away 22-150 km, "Rafale" and "Typhoon» - 160-270 km, and finally F-300C - 15-400 km.

Nevertheless, despite the outstanding qualities of this radar, the Ministry of Defense, as well as the command and control of the VCS and Russian Navy, continue to lean towards the purchase of Su-4CM two-generation multi-role fighters of the 30 ++ generation. While the combat units of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy and the VKS received at least the X-NUMX of the Su-104CM fighter (a general order may amount to more than 30 — 150 machines), the number of the X-NUMX units that came into service of the VCS is only 160 units. with a general order for 35 machines (in accordance with two contracts). Initially it may seem that the emphasis on the Su-71CM is another thoughtless decision of our defense department, dictated by its lower price in 98 — 30 million dollars, because Su-40CM has a lot of disadvantages compared to Su-45С.

Firstly, it is the presence of 2 “Bars” onboard H011 radar, which is weaker in terms of the range, the average power of which is 3,3 times less than that of the Irbis (1,5 vs. 5 kW), and the power of the continuous illumination mode - 2 times (1 vs. 2 kW): due to this, the target detection range with the 0,07 EPR square meter. m (low-profile fighter F-22A) is only 70 km, and the usual generation fighter "4 ++" "Rafal" - 135 km. Secondly, this is the absence of an optical-electronic complex for detecting attacking 101X Atoll spaced apertures intended for direction finding of approaching missiles and air combat missiles, as well as for issuing their angular coordinates to the MFIs of pilots. Thirdly, this is a lower speed on 18% (2125 km / h versus 2500 km / h), which, with full suspension, allows you to accelerate only to 1750 — 1800 km / h (far from the best indicator if you need to intercept a goal on follow-up courses ).

But if you take another careful look at the operational and tactical realities related to European theaters, as well as other tactical and technical qualities of the Su-30CM, then this choice of MO, VC and Navy can be called a technically and economically verified solution. And there are several reasons for this.

First of all, this is the zone of operating the units and squadrons of the Su-30SM naval aviation and the VKS, which will be located mainly in the range of radio stations-exchange of tactical information about the air situation located on the A-50U aircraft. These terminals operate in decameter, meter and decimeter wavelengths (in the frequency range from 2 to 1215 MHz) and allow you to support with tactical aviation pilots both voice communication at frequencies from 30 to 400 MHz and exchange of tactical data at frequencies from 0,96 to 1,215 GHz over a secure network-centric radio channel. Therefore, the absence of such a powerful onboard RLC on board the Su-30CM will be more than compensated for by receiving target designation from A-50U, which will detect targets at a distance of 150 — 200 km (applied to Raptor) and 400 — 450 km (applied to Raphaul Or F-16C), and then transfer their coordinates to the pilot and operator Su-30CM.

In the foreseeable future, these tasks will be assigned to the prospective A-100 “Premier” airborne radar, which is currently being prepared for state tests by the specialists of the Taganrog Aviation Scientific-Technical Complex named after Beriev. Thanks to this, the Su-30SM will be able to conduct long-range combat even with the disabled radio-frequency radar (using missiles with active radar missiles RVV-SD), which will be an excellent help in concealing its presence in a certain part of the airspace. Also, radar information can be obtained by the crew of the Su-30CM from a similar ground terminal NKVS-27; In this case, the source of targeting can be ground-based radar complexes of the types "Gamma-С1", "Opponent-GE", "Sky-M", etc. Moreover, the crew of several Su-30CMs will be able to receive radar information from Su-35C, equipped with the C-108 multi-range communications complex. Such a “network-centric bundle” will significantly increase the combat capabilities of an IAP even without the help of A-50U or A-100.


The Gamma-С1 surveillance radar complex is one of the few radars in its class that operates in the centimeter range, providing consumers with information on the air situation at the highest resolution


Secondly, if it is impossible to defeat the enemy in DVB and middle-range battles, in order to win the “dog dump” with the “Raptor” or the highly maneuverable F / A-18E / F “Super Hornet”, our Su-30CM has a complete set "Buns" available in the arsenal of the Su-35C. These are two dual-turbojet afterburner engines of the AL-41FP with total weight in 25600 kgf, with a normal take-off weight in 24000 kg, thrust-efficiency in 1,07 kgf / kg is ensured, which, given the aerodynamic quality coefficient in 11,2 units, the wing load in 387,1 kg / kg. The availability of a full-range deflection thrust system with an angular velocity of 15 deg / s allows the machine to perform unsteady turns with an angular velocity of more than 45 deg / s, performing the most complex figures “Cobra Pugachev” and “Chakra Frolova”.

This is quite enough to achieve superiority over both the Super Hornet and the Raptor; the matter remains only with the OLS-30 optical-electronic aiming and navigation complex, RVV-MD super-maneuverable short-range missiles or the GSh-30-1 aircraft gun. Moreover, the presence of systems (operator-navigator) in the crew of the operator significantly increases the combat capabilities of the machine due to the distribution of tasks and reduced crew fatigue. The latest pleasant news was information from the specialists of the Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (UEC-UMPO), who, in the material for the Aircraft Builder of the Year contest, announced the launch of work on the Su-30СМ remotorization for more high-torque engines AL-41Ф-1С, which implement the thrust-weight ratio in 1,2 kgf / kg, which means that one of the most common double dryers in the Russian Aerospace Forces and naval aviation will be able to dominate most NATO fighters even without the use of an afterburner; Naturally, we expect an increase in speed and acceleration qualities of combat vehicles.

Information sources:
https://politexpert.net/119422-uluchshenie-su-30sm-rossiiskii-istrebitel-poluchit-novyi-dvigatel
https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/su-30sm/
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su35bm.html
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=21881&p=2
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  1. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 13 September 2018 05: 48
    +10
    Here is another interesting article, a comparison, the main thing is not to go too far and see your problems. Thank you.
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 13 September 2018 06: 07
      +14
      It is embarrassing that even the A-50U Raptor is only at a distance of 150-200km. will see. That is, the A-50U itself is hit. The raptor will see him much earlier, thanks to the working radar on our plane.
      1. xtur
        xtur 13 September 2018 09: 40
        +1
        Recently there was information that they plan to change the engine on the Su-30 *, and put the same as on the Su-35 *.

        After that, the radar capabilities are greatly increased, and shunting characteristics. And the degree of unification between dryers is increasing
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 13 September 2018 11: 35
          +3
          I'm sorry, but how does replacing the engine help the radar?
          1. xtur
            xtur 13 September 2018 16: 34
            0
            > how will a replacement of the engine help the radar?

            engine power increases, and the proportion of energy taken to generate electricity increases accordingly. The type of capability of the Su-30 radar is limited by the available electrical power of the generator.
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 13 September 2018 18: 05
              0
              That is, without turning on the afterburner, the radar always works so-so?
              1. xtur
                xtur 13 September 2018 19: 37
                0
                Here is a link to the bmpd where I got it all:
                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 14 September 2018 13: 11
                  0
                  Quote: xtur
                  Here is a link to the bmpd where I got it all:
                  https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html

                  Followed your link. Nothing is written about the relationship between the radar range and engine power.
            2. spectr
              spectr 13 September 2018 20: 22
              0
              An increase in energy by a machine will not lead to an increase in range if the range margin is not initially laid during construction. And this is unlikely. Therefore, to improve the characteristics of the locator, it will have to be modified or a new one installed.
              1. xtur
                xtur 13 September 2018 22: 29
                +2
                Thanks for clarifying.

                Nevertheless, it may well be that the assertion that the main limitation of the existing radar is the energy available to it, about the great potential of the existing Su-30 radar, is generally consistent with reality, and it is possible the main plug was in the available energy for the radar .
                It is clear that what was not originally laid down in its design is impossible to obtain, but it is quite possible that due to the easy and cheap modernization of the radar, along with an increase in energy, you can get, say 80% of the functionality of the Su-35 radar
                This is a completely justified option for modernization, if, of course, it is real.
                1. Henderson
                  Henderson 14 September 2018 10: 59
                  -1
                  The power of the AL-41 is higher than the AL-31 by only 15%. The power of the Su-35 radar is more than three times higher. Inconsistency however.

                  Quote: xtur
                  due to the easy and cheap modernization of the radar, along with an increase in energy, you can get, say 80% of the functionality of the Su-35 radar

                  it doesn’t happen that way. An increase in energy means a change in the cooling system, this drags a change in the design of the lattice, in fact we get an absolutely new radar. With the price of Irbis, only worse in all respects due to outdated electronics.
      2. tezey
        tezey 13 September 2018 15: 53
        +1
        It's funny You yourself grazed on the A-50 Raptor. And they themselves made sure that the Raptor, alas, had previously spotted you. Wow. Share your personal observations with the public. Really did not fly personally. And did not see a working radar. Here you go. Then don’t trynd.
        1. Pavil144
          Pavil144 14 September 2018 10: 05
          +1
          To the raptor and other fighters, in order to detect the target, you need to turn on the radar (except for AWACS or radar), when the radar is on, it immediately becomes visible even though it is stealth even though it is stealth.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 September 2018 13: 16
        0
        Quote: Sergey985
        It is embarrassing that even the A-50U Raptor is only at a distance of 150-200km. will see

        On the A-100 they want to bring the detection range of air targets to 1000 km.
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 13 September 2018 07: 11
      +6
      Rather, an attempt to understand what kind of combat scenario our military is counting on by purchasing a obviously weaker Su-30SM fighter compared to the western F-22 and F-35, as well as our Su35 and Su-57.
      1. Sergey985
        Sergey985 13 September 2018 08: 11
        +1
        It seems that from hopelessness due to finances and problems with electronic components (especially on the Su-57). The legacy of the 90s.
      2. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 13 September 2018 11: 02
        +3
        The main enemy aircraft (NATO and others like the Swedes) are the old F-ki 15, 16, 18, Mirage-Rafali-Tornado-Grispeny, which the Su-30SM (and Su-27) will drive, catch up and shoot down without problems. Problems are possible only with F-kami 22 and 35, but MiG-31 interceptors should work on them, and in the future 35 and 41.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 13 September 2018 11: 37
          +4
          forget about the MiG-41. this is a fairytale....
          MiG-31 should not work on the F-22 at all. They have a completely different purpose.
          Su-22cm, 35s, Mig-30 and modifications are just obliged to fight with F-35 and 29.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 13 September 2018 11: 51
            +1
            F-22 and 35 are just obliged to fight so-30cm, 35s, Mig-29 and modifications

            I agree, but there is a very important BUT (!)
            all our Su-35С, Su-30СМ, Mig-29 will be
            in most cases they work in the area of ​​our radars
            SAM-type S-400, S-300В4, RTR Moscow-1, 3G radars associated with ACS.
            our fighters may not include radar at all
            * this is the longer arm of our air defense systems, the 40Н6 SAM is 400 km then RVV-DB + 300 km = 700 km
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 13 September 2018 12: 39
              +1
              RTR Moscow-1

              what it is?
              ZG radar - is, as I understand it, over-the-horizon? Like Voronezh-dm or what? since they are not intended for observation in the immediate areas, they have blind spots.
              SAM 40N6 is 400 km then RVV-DB + 300 km = 700 km

              I did not understand this at all. First of all, the RVV-DB is not yet at least in service, but as a maximum in real form. there was a layout and no more. Nothing is heard of the trials either.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 13 September 2018 20: 34
              +4
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              F-22 and 35 are just obliged to fight so-30cm, 35s, Mig-29 and modifications

              I agree, but there is a very important BUT (!)
              all our Su-35С, Su-30СМ, Mig-29 will be
              in most cases they work in the area of ​​our radars
              SAM-type S-400, S-300В4, RTR Moscow-1, 3G radars associated with ACS.
              our fighters may not include radar at all
              * this is the longer arm of our air defense systems, the 40Н6 SAM is 400 km then RVV-DB + 300 km = 700 km

              And you try to put yourself in the place of the striped ones. What will you do first? First of all, given the 3-4-fold advantage in the number of aircraft, select a separate group to destroy all A-50 and A-100, even on the ground or in the air. Next comes the ground-based radar. And our SU-30 and MIGs remain without their support. Will they fight? Undoubtedly. In WWII I-15, I-153, I-16 also fought against the Me-109. And they died heroically. After all, even the SU-35S will "see" the F-22 from a distance of 150 km, and the SU-30 is even less. And the F-22 will see the SU-35 300 km away. That says it all.
              In my opinion, from the cellar - Russia is being prepared for defeat in the upcoming conventional war without arming the army of SU-57, T-14, etc. T-15, "Shells", etc., etc., etc.
              And stingy, as they say - pays twice.
              1. Dali
                Dali 13 September 2018 23: 49
                +4
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And you try to put yourself in the place of striped


                Well, they saw at a distance of 300km, so what?
                1) Now give the characteristics of the air-to-air missiles that our Su-300SM, SU-30S, Mig-35SMT will knock down from a distance of 29 km ...
                2) And ours will probably calmly expect to find a missile attack?
                3) And tell us the physics of the detection process at a distance of 300 km ... maybe you will see that at the same time fu22 will not become so invisible ...
                4) And tell us how many fu22 are in service today?
                5) But are the ground radars standing naked ...?
                6) But will you give us the composition of this 3-4-fold advantage (by the way 3 or 4 times all the same ... somehow the difference is very significant)?
                7) And who told you that the Su-57 and T-14 will not be in our army ... they report to you from the General Staff ... but they tell me that the Su-57 and T-14 will be such that the mattresses mix (exaggerated a little ... and suddenly not ...)

                shl
                To Zarobitchans in Krasnoyarsk for thought and not only to them ... laughing
                You think Ah ... it's that simple ... (well, tell me which thread is disgusting, otherwise it’s boring somehow ... laughing )
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 15 September 2018 08: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Dali

                  1) Now give the characteristics of the air-to-air missiles that our Su-300SM, SU-30S, Mig-35SMT will knock down from a distance of 29 km ...

                  And to find this data yourself weak?
                  Quote: Dali

                  2) And ours will probably calmly expect to find a missile attack?

                  Yes, of course not. They will write out all sorts of "pancakes", "cobras", "chakras"
                  Quote: Dali

                  3) And tell us the physics of the detection process at a distance of 300 km ... maybe you will see that at the same time fu22 will not become so invisible ...

                  SU-35S sees the Fu-22 from a distance of 150km.
                  Fu-22 sees the SU-35S from a distance of 300-350km.
                  This data is not what I came up with. Any questions?
                  Quote: Dali
                  4) And tell us how many fu22 are in service today?

                  Are you a bummer?
                  Quote: Dali
                  5) But are the ground radars standing naked ...?

                  With this question, you have confirmed that without their (ground-based radar) support, our SU and MIGs will struggle with FU and FI to be very, very ....
                  Quote: Dali

                  6) But will you give us the composition of this 3-4-fold advantage (by the way 3 or 4 times all the same ... somehow the difference is very significant)?

                  And what difference do you get beaten by 3 or 4 bastards?
                  Quote: Dali

                  7) And who told you that the Su-57 and T-14 will not be in our army ... they report to you from the General Staff ...

                  Yes, Y. Borisov. Because the quantity that will be is the same as not being there.
                  Quote: Dali

                  Zarobitchans in Krasnoyarsk for thought and not only them ... laughing

                  I could not resist, bit. But ... The slip came out. In the near, it’s always like that. I am not a zarobitan, and Krasnoyarsk is my hometown.
                  1. spectr
                    spectr 16 September 2018 12: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    With this question, you have confirmed that without their (ground-based radar) support, our SU and MIGs will struggle with FU and FI to be very, very ....

                    Back in the days of the USSR, it was like that in Vietnam. Our aircraft operated with the support of air defense systems. I think now nothing has changed and very high hopes are laid on air defense.
                    ps:
                    The air defense motto has always amused me. "We ourselves do not fly and we do not give to others and others"
        2. engineer74
          engineer74 13 September 2018 11: 49
          +1
          It will fight that will not burn out on the ground, after hitting the air bases, but here options are possible.
          Without assessing the survival of the technique, again a spherical horse in a vacuum.
          IMHO.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 13 September 2018 12: 38
            0
            Will fight that will not burn on the ground, after hitting airbases

            to start let them overcome multiplicity С-400 / С-300ПМ / ПМ-1 / ПМ-2, С-300В4, Buk-M2 / M3, Tor-M2 / M1, ZRPK Shell / Tunguska under automation of automated control system.
            Vostok-2018 has already shown - automation taxis
        3. Lex.
          Lex. 15 September 2018 07: 43
          0
          Yeah, they’ll click nuts and they will play giveaways. US pilots have decent preparation and they won’t be boys for whipping
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 14 September 2018 04: 03
        +2
        I do not agree, I got the feeling that they decided to "add in quantity" with a lack of funds. That is, the suspicion that somewhere you will have to bomb a lot, well, it is possible to shoot down the UAV a little, which is why the Su-30 is also. That is, a war against NATO without nuclear weapons is not considered because only for such a case a large grouping is needed to "cut out" the enemy "invisibles". But "mochilovo" against inadequate ones like Ukriya where fighter aircraft will be "quickly" cut down and after that it will be necessary to do both bombing and cover from "unknown attack UAVs".
        Perhaps "Syria 2.0" is expected or planned, I can't even guess where or against whom, but obviously not against the US or NATO.
        I understand that the generals should "consider options for a war against a potential enemy," but after all, Putin has already said in plain text - "we will burn with nuclear weapons, immediately and without analysis, and the World without Russia has not surrendered to us," and there cannot be "we were just kidding", it will be a war to destroy one of the parties (or both).
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 September 2018 08: 50
    +1
    We need to make a two-seater version of the Su-35S and mass produce instead of the Su-34/30 .... and the Su-35S will replace the Su-57 .... If we take into account that one of the 3x plants will switch to the production of MS-21, then instead 45-50 (Su-30/34 / 35S) will be produced 30-35 pieces, and the transition from Su-35S to Su-57 is likely to reduce productivity. A modernized Su-30 will be a universal machine of the Navy / Air Defense / Tactical Aviation.
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 13 September 2018 09: 07
      +4
      The choice of plants is not very large. If we launch serial production of the Su-57 (if they nevertheless overcome all obstacles and launch it), the decline in the number of aircraft will be serious.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 13 September 2018 09: 11
        +1
        Well, a trivial plant will switch from serial production of the 4th to the 5th generation (together with suppliers) ... mass production -50% of the difficulties.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 13 September 2018 09: 29
        +3
        And the requirements will be like in '41, did not, to the wall. There will definitely be no recession. soldier
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 September 2018 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: Ros 56
          And the requirements will be like in '41, did not, to the wall. There will definitely be no recession.

          Hehehehe ... in those days and vice versa it was: the director who did not cope was removed from office and ... sent to another factory. And the directors of that plant were transferred to the vacant seat.
          ... by order of the XVIII GU NKOP of January 1, 1939 "... for the repeated and gross violation of budget and financial discipline at the factory of the deputy director (No. 24 - MM), comrade Borisov PA, dismissed and used on less responsible work. Indicate the director of plant No. 24 Borisov of the violation of financial and budgetary discipline. ".
          On January 13, by order of NKOP No. 16 / k, a decision was made "... 1. Comrade Borisov IT should be removed from the work of the director of plant No. 24; 2. Comrade DM Sokolov should be appointed director of factory No. 24, relieving him of work as factory director No. 20. "
          And, as the end of this series of orders, January 20 I.T. Borisov was appointed director of ... factory number 20!
          Thus, all the menacing distributions and orders came down to one thing - the director, who could not cope with work at one aircraft factory, was appointed director of another aircraft factory.

          © Mikhail Mukhin. Soviet aircraft industry on the eve of the Second World War.
      3. Genry
        Genry 13 September 2018 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Sergey985
        The choice of plants is not very large.

        Enough space. Moreover, now they are trying to combine capacities in several large corporations for the best use of unique equipment. And the question will be only in the place (workshop) of the final assembly.
        And the main issue that is being addressed now is the balanced production of military and civilian aircraft, the ratio of which is determined by military tension. So far, civilian production lags far behind the military. But this is a reserve for military products in the conduct of major wars and should not stand idle in peacetime.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 14 September 2018 04: 11
          0
          Write strange words, which may be
          when waging major wars and stand idle in peacetime he should not
          what kind of war can be, or rather "should be" necessary for Russia to load its factories, at least the United States has even run out of "opponents" against whom they can fight and thereby "justify" their military-industrial complex?
          In fact, Russia needs aircraft factories even without asking "what will we do in peacetime"? At the very least, we need to completely (well, most of it) change our aviation, perhaps if the World "falls down" then Russia will have to "take the place of the USA" in the form of the World Policeman and "force peace" to the right and left. ))
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 September 2018 09: 27
    -1
    In my opinion, I read one of the best articles with pleasure.
    1. Genry
      Genry 13 September 2018 11: 32
      +5
      Just another article with a cunning decadent twist ...
      The defense industry is not obliged to fulfill the wishes of couch experts, who in some places burn out due to their fantasies.
      Spoon is important for dinner ....
  4. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 September 2018 09: 29
    +6
    Just a war on the nose. You have to fight with what you have, especially since it is no worse than that of an adversary. There is no time to master new products, for today the main thing is to put in order what is.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 September 2018 09: 51
      0
      For this, they are trying to launch the MiG-35 with AFAR and other stray.
    2. spectr
      spectr 16 September 2018 12: 18
      0
      There will be no war yet. The main enemy of the West declared Putin and his team. It seems that now the stake has been made on strengthening sanctions in 2024, when the country will have presidential elections. Therefore, I read various articles, where it all comes down to two ways: either they will change the law, or Putin will leave the post ahead of schedule and nominate a receiver. And he will choose time so that there simply will not be an alternative to his person.
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 13 September 2018 10: 10
    0
    I think the RF Ministry of Defense knows what it’s doing, and it’s not only financial difficulties, but the review is a good plus for the author for trying to explain.
  6. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 September 2018 10: 13
    0
    Well, here's the liberals and the answer to their haughty groans that Russia is driving everything to the military-industrial complex, and not raising the standard of living of the population. As if entih liberals, such as Sobchachka or drunken Efremov, are so worried about the Russian common people. Thanks to the specialists in our troops for finding a way out between bad and not quite good weapons, but which allow us to maintain the security of our country. You can rivet thousands of SU-50, "Armat", which will show off and be idle, and remain without trousers, or you can save money, but wisely and apply new technologies for detecting and destroying the enemy
    1. aiden
      aiden 13 September 2018 20: 47
      +1
      There are still people who understand where the money will go from pension reflrma. It is better for them to live richly, but confident in their danger, than richly, but in a cardboard box surrounded by a herd of jackals
  7. Larum
    Larum 13 September 2018 10: 37
    -2
    In principle, everything is sensible, money decides.
    But boasted, boasted .... threw hats and throws ...
  8. MrFox
    MrFox 13 September 2018 10: 57
    +3
    How about fending off a F-22/35 paired with a drone?
    “Kratos is starting flight tests of the XQ-58 drone. The system is designed to be used as a consumable drone that can carry ammunition and be controlled by the F-35, F-22 and similar machines. So the F-22/35 does not need to enter the realm detection "
    The F-35 is not for air combat, but works as a flying platform. Now we are witnessing how it will be used.
    It seems that not everyone heard it, but in vain
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 13 September 2018 12: 13
      0
      It’s not so simple there. By and large, the operator is needed for the drone, that is, not a single-seat aircraft, unlike 22 and 35.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 14 September 2018 04: 16
      +1
      Struggle problem
      work F-22/35 paired with a drone
      take half an hour lol however, many will consider it "too radical", I'm talking about - a nuclear strike on the country launching F-22/35 paired with a drone good .
      YES I'm a radical "maniac" wassat , I believe - LouseObcom must be destroyed.
  9. NordUral
    NordUral 13 September 2018 11: 07
    +1
    God knows where the truth is and where the fog is pointing. Wait and see. But doubts do not leave.
  10. silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 September 2018 11: 34
    +1
    These are two AL-41FP twin-circuit turbojet afterburners

    the su-30cm has AL-31F1 (I don’t remember the exact marking), which is significantly weaker than the AL-41.
    Well, about the target detection range, I generally keep quiet. There are just fairy tales about 400-450 km of detection.
    The only thing that can be agreed with is that in the direction of the EU, our airborne forces will operate not far from the borders where there are radar and guidance stations, lights and target tracking. In general, the su-30 cm requires modernization ... at least on the radar and on the engines.
  11. Robin - Bobbin
    Robin - Bobbin 13 September 2018 11: 50
    +3
    Interestingly, did any of these couch experts such as Damantsev participate in the development of weapons? And they will collect TTX from the press and let's talk, if so fellow . Who really tells about all the possibilities of their weapons.
  12. SVD
    SVD 13 September 2018 14: 30
    0
    That's interesting - they compare the cost of the SU-57 with the cost of the F-35, but where do we get such a cost with salaries an order of magnitude lower than in the US?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 September 2018 13: 42
      0
      The cost is taken from the bulldozer. This is probably an estimated value taken from Western periodicals. Such as "export price" or "PPP price".
  13. tezey
    tezey 13 September 2018 15: 45
    +2
    Let's approach this issue with formal logic. About migohertz and other technical comparisons, this is really interesting. Only. The question is not who these migohertz and thrust-to-weight ratio are better. The question is what will happen next. Will the Minutemen and the RS-18 fly. I think that the bourgeois in the United States will not want anything like this. They don’t have any methods against Satan, and therefore there is no need to dissolve snot. It happened. that valutarist Khrushchev openly declared to Great Britain that several thermonuclear warheads would send them to oblivion, it was in 1956. and really worked. What has changed. There are enough thermonuclear warheads in stock. I doubt very much that the sleek gentlemen on Wall Street want to burn out in a nuclear fire. Therefore, these gentlemen must clearly say what awaits them in the event of an attack on the armed forces of the Russian Federation. Stop messing around. It is time to designate everything as it is, so that partners would understand, that London, Paris, Rome, Berlin are just four goals, and they cannot even bury the dead. Terrible all this, but true.
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 13 September 2018 17: 17
      0
      Putin has already voiced this to the whole world.
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2018 09: 45
      -2
      I doubt very much that the sleek gentlemen on Wall Street want to burn out in a nuclear fire.

      Do you want to burn out in a nuclear fire?
      Do you want your children to be burned in a nuclear fire?
      And the government in Russia wants to burn out in a nuclear fire, in your opinion?
  14. Turist1996
    Turist1996 13 September 2018 19: 27
    +1
    Yes, how is that ?!
    Again Damantsev calculated by the heading to the article ...
    Eugene, or change the style or citizenship !!! /
  15. Turist1996
    Turist1996 13 September 2018 19: 34
    0
    Evgeny Damantsev:
    "A bunch of some technical characteristics - a bunch of some incomprehensible data do not understand what - profound conclusions"
    And a cherry on the cake: a bright and screaming headline for the article!
    But in fact - a dull shit! What is quoted with one stamp - "UG".
  16. Santor
    Santor 13 September 2018 21: 00
    +1
    Having read the headline without immediately looking, I define the aftar - Evgeny Damantsev. Well, I don’t tap, I immediately went to all the links from where such incredible accurate data were drawn ..... Having twisted the source so and so, I came to the conclusion that the author of all the maxims was Arthur Kolchin from the site of Polytechnic Expert, broadcasting already from the foggy South Sakhalinsk. The remaining primary sources are posts by users of forums and bloggers. And so the discussion went and went :))))))) Some were flying on the A50 behind the operator, others were sitting under the table at Shoigu, others were in the form of a pillowcase on Putin’s bed .....
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2018 09: 42
      -3
      and in the media, such important sources of information as "Mordovian Bulletin" or the agency "Anna-News" from Abkhazia are massively present or present - on all world problems ...
  17. Revival
    Revival 14 September 2018 00: 42
    0
    I understand that if for some reason the A50 is not present, then the MO calculation will collapse?
  18. Robin - Bobbin
    Robin - Bobbin 15 September 2018 08: 23
    0
    Quote: Turist1996
    0
    Yes, how is that ?!
    Again Damantsev calculated by the heading to the article ...
    Eugene, or change the style or citizenship !!! /
    As in the song: I recognize my dear by gait ... I completely agree with you.
  19. kit88
    kit88 15 September 2018 21: 18
    0
    optoelectronic sighting and navigation system OLS-30

    Yes, he is not "navigational"and not"sighting and navigation". There is no navigation in it. Just an Optical-Locating Station, designed to search and track air targets in the IR range, determine coordinates and measure range.
  20. zyzx
    zyzx 16 September 2018 16: 33
    0
    The entire fleet of modern fighter jets, modern air defense systems will land on the first day of this war, then we will transfer to piston IL-2, LaGG, MiG, LA, we can do them for thousands, and so much will be needed. And when Abrams throws IL-2 with PTAbami, it will also burn like a tiger and a penther.
  21. Love is
    Love is 19 September 2018 08: 22
    0
    I think that the presence of a huge civilian fleet in NATO countries will encourage them to launch another thousand on autopilot into our space. They will create such a light that you don’t understand who to shoot down. And given their abilities, they can turn liners into carriers. Then we will have a task. The system may fall.