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Pentagon: Military Union of Russia and China will not

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Military exercises "Vostok-2018", which started the day before in Russia, are commented in the American military department. The Americans were clearly disturbed by the fact that representatives of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army of China) were taking part in the maneuvers together with the Russian military. At the same time, in the United States they declare in fact about a “one-off action” in attracting Russian Chinese servicemen to maneuvers.


According to US Secretary of Defense James Mattis, no military union from the joint exercises of the Russian Federation and the PRC will be created in the future.

Mattis:
I see not only that in the long run it can be a reason for the unification of Russia and China (militarily). Both of these countries act in their own interests.


That was the answer of the head of the Pentagon to the question of whether Moscow and Beijing can agree on the creation of a military-political alliance. An example was given of a possible counterbalance to NATO.

Russian military exercises "East-2018" are the most ambitious after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They are attended by about three hundred thousand military personnel and tens of thousands of samples of military equipment, including naval ships and Aviation Russian Aerospace Forces.

Pentagon: Military Union of Russia and China will not


One of the episodes of the exercise is the use of means to counter unmanned aerial vehicles. Applied radio-electronic complexes "Silok-01" and "Resident". This is their debut at the large-scale exercises "Vostok-2018".
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 15
    +14
    Stage of denial. laughing
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 12 September 2018 09: 18
      +9
      Everyone has their own interests, but they can coincide.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 23
        +10
        Quote: Sergey985
        Everyone has their own interests, but they can coincide.

        In addition to interests, there are also threats. But there is only one threat - international criminals governing the United States.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 12 September 2018 09: 26
          +10
          Matisus will point out that they would only drive a wedge and crush everyone and everything, but then you understand the union is looming ..
        2. oleg-gr
          oleg-gr 12 September 2018 09: 27
          +11
          Will or will not be - not in the competence of the Pentagon. The more Americans become impudent, the more chances are.
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 12 September 2018 09: 31
            +2
            Quote: oleg-gr
            Will or will not be - not in the competence of the Pentagon. The more Americans become impudent, the more chances are.

            Well, perhaps only out of principle. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" China can be our ally, a temporary one.
          2. Dashout
            Dashout 12 September 2018 09: 55
            +4
            Quote: oleg-gr
            Will or will not be - not in the competence of the Pentagon. The more Americans become impudent, the more chances are.

            On the one hand - so! On the other hand, striped confidence is based on a powerful fifth column in Russia, which should have been suppressed for a long time !!!
            1. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 12 September 2018 10: 40
              +3
              striped confidence relies on a powerful fifth column in Russia, which should have long been suppressed

              It’s impossible to suppress: it is everywhere: in the Kremlin, in the White House, in parliament, in the Central Bank ...
              1. Santos
                Santos 13 September 2018 10: 59
                0
                There was a fifth column in China too, but they uprooted it with roots.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok 12 September 2018 12: 47
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: Sergey985
          Everyone has their own interests, but they can coincide.

          In addition to interests, there are also threats. But there is only one threat - international criminals governing the United States.

          Is there only one threat? And nothing that China claims to the Far East ?! Nothing that in their school textbooks the Far East is called "illegally confiscated territory" ?!
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 12 September 2018 17: 07
            0
            and if without blah blah blah .... evidence is present? .... well, there are pictures or text itself ..... and then balobolstvo one ....
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 12 September 2018 15: 11
        0
        .... at least in something. But in reality, the Chinese do not respect us, and are simply fellow travelers and consumers of our resources — for example, forests in huge quantities, but what we rejoice in the growth of trade, we are changing our resources to glass beads ...
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 12 September 2018 09: 22
      +4
      There will not be a military union of Russia and China
      Unfortunately (or fortunately), an ally from China is the same. Everything is on your mind. They can sleep and see the territory of Russia from the Far East to the Urals of their ...
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 12 September 2018 09: 33
        +4
        Quote: Starover_Z
        There will not be a military union of Russia and China
        Unfortunately (or fortunately), an ally from China is the same. Everything is on your mind. They can sleep and see the territory of Russia from the Far East to the Urals of their ...

        Maybe so, but the Chinese clearly understand that they are next for the Anglo-Saxons "for lunch" after us, so not everything is so simple in this world!
        1. Nychego
          Nychego 12 September 2018 09: 48
          -1
          Quote: neri73-r
          Maybe so, but the Chinese clearly understand that they are next for the Anglo-Saxons "for lunch" after us, so not everything is so simple in this world!

          At the same time, at some convenient moment for this action, guided by the logic of the USSR of 1939, they can simply "push back" the borders at the expense of "Greater Poland" - Russia, and by no means a couple of hundred kilometers.
          But this is still out of the realm of speculation and assumptions.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 55
            0
            Quote: Nychego
            But this is still out of the realm of speculation and assumptions.

            This is probably exactly as much as the probability that the American top refuses claims to world domination and the transfer of US foreign policy to a peaceful track.
            1. Nychego
              Nychego 12 September 2018 10: 08
              0
              Quote: Gray Brother
              This is probably exactly as much as the probability that the American top refuses claims to world domination and the transfer of US foreign policy to a peaceful track.

              But it will take place somewhat earlier than such a transfer.
              yes
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 12 September 2018 10: 14
                +2
                Quote: Nychego
                But it will take place somewhat earlier than such a transfer.

                Attacking a nuclear power is not economically viable. Is it only by strangers, but the Chinese do not have such people there.
                1. Nychego
                  Nychego 12 September 2018 12: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Attacking a nuclear power is not economically viable. Is it only by strangers, but the Chinese do not have such people there.

                  As long as there is a force in Russia that controls the nuclear potential sufficient to launch any effective retaliatory strike, they will naturally spoil only the hands of nuclear-free neighbors and diverse radical groups within the country, but if (when) there is a loss of control or the potential turns out to be if it is safe for the aggressor, then in general illusions at that moment will only feed the birds naive.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 12 September 2018 18: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: Nychego
                    but if (when) a loss of control occurs or the potential is for one reason or another safe for the aggressor, then in general illusions at that moment will only feed the birds naive.

                    Well, this state should end completely. You’ll have to go to the partisans, not only the Chinese will be in the clients right away.
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 12 September 2018 10: 00
            +3
            Quote: Nychego
            to "push back" the borders at the expense of "Greater Poland" - Russia, and by no means a couple of hundred kilometers.

            Poland itself was not opposed to pushing its borders at the expense of Czechoslovakia, which they did, and the Poles also looked east. Jackal, he is the jackal.
            1. Nychego
              Nychego 12 September 2018 10: 13
              0
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Poland itself was not opposed to pushing its borders at the expense of Czechoslovakia, which they did, and the Poles also looked east.

              Well, we somehow also did not mind sharing their lands with Georgia (yes, in general, Hochland and Moldova, too, in the opinion of a number of Russians, "owed us some territories").
              Tear those who are weak even when you can tear. Look, the Americans are with Texas and California, at one time nobly frolic, and later with Cuba and the Philippines.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 12 September 2018 10: 23
                +2
                Quote: Nychego
                Tear those who are weak even when you can tear.

                In the 90s, China had a chance, they did not use it despite the unregulated territorial graters. Now this is not the case either - in Damansky, now the Chinese border guards, in the spring, push ice floes with primary rug signs.
                1. Nychego
                  Nychego 12 September 2018 11: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  In the 90s, China had a chance, they did not use it despite the unregulated territorial graters. Now this is not ...

                  You can think of a reason. Protection of citizens who find themselves in a zone of political instability and civil conflict, what is "if that" not a reason? Over there, in Jekaba, in the Sorting area, it's not quite Chinatown yet, but no more than ten thousand Chinese citizens are quite successful and stable, and even taking into account a slight decrease in the purchasing power of the population, there is no tendency to reduce their number ...
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 12 September 2018 18: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Nychego
                    dwell

                    This is not prohibited with us.
          3. kakvastam
            kakvastam 12 September 2018 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: Nychego
            Moreover, at some convenient moment for this action, guided by the logic of the USSR of the 1939 model, they can simply "push back" the borders

            If the leadership of the Russian Federation suddenly turns out to be hostile to China or, even worse, finally turns into an American puppet - more than likely.
            Or if the states attack Russia from Europe, then it is almost guaranteed.
            In the meantime, Russia can be used to protect China - hardly.
            1. Nychego
              Nychego 12 September 2018 14: 24
              +1
              Quote: kakvastam
              If the leadership of the Russian Federation suddenly turns out to be hostile to China or, even worse, finally turns into an American puppet - more than likely.
              Or if the states attack Russia from Europe, then it is almost guaranteed.
              In the meantime, Russia can be used to protect China - hardly.

              I completely agree, I think that the only additional condition for the "transfer of the border" is the crisis state of the Russian Federation and the impossibility of offering serious resistance to the eastern "brother forever".
      2. Rust0626
        Rust0626 12 September 2018 12: 11
        +1
        So the Americans see this tasty piece of Russia as their
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 September 2018 18: 26
          0
          Quote: Rust0626
          So the Americans see this tasty piece of Russia as their

          We already had their expeditionary force, during the intervention period, and not only them.
      3. kakvastam
        kakvastam 12 September 2018 12: 56
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        They can sleep and see the territory of Russia from the Far East to the Urals of their ...

        Why "maybe"?
        They are even seriously considering it, and how they are mastering it now, at the suggestion of "our" authorities!
      4. Santos
        Santos 13 September 2018 11: 01
        0
        Well, the Belarusians are allies, allies, the same "Ukrainians" side view
    3. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 12 September 2018 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Stage of denial. laughing

      Yeah. Reminded of the Crimean bridge shot at Mosfilm.
  2. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 12 September 2018 09: 19
    -2
    Here they are right. China is dangerous like the United States. China may well present the unexpected as a FE in 41.
  3. Gray brother
    Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 20
    +3
    I see not only that in the long run it can be a reason for the unification of Russia and China (militarily). Both of these countries act in their own interests.

    As a true American, Mattis cannot see the root cause. laughing
  4. Dave36
    Dave36 12 September 2018 09: 20
    +1
    Of course it won’t be .. China will go somewhere and we will be obliged to help. As for the Chinese .. they are dancing to us in full .. but they definitely won’t fight for us .. soon with us ..
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: Dave36
      0
      Of course it won’t .. China will go somewhere and we will be obliged to help

      A defensive alliance is most likely. The conditions may be different, such an agreement may apply in general to the actions of one particular country.
      Guess what. laughing
      1. Dave36
        Dave36 12 September 2018 09: 32
        +2
        It is unlikely ... we have only one interest - we are sourcing resources, they are import substitution for us ...
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: Dave36

          It is unlikely ...

          It can already exist in the form of tacit agreements. If nothing is done, then they will eat both of them in turn, I don’t know who you need to be in order not to be aware of this.
          1. Dave36
            Dave36 12 September 2018 09: 51
            0
            Believe me ... they won’t eat .. but put them in their place - they already put them on all fronts ..
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 12 September 2018 10: 08
              0
              Quote: Dave36
              0
              Believe me ... they won’t eat .. but put them in their place - they already put them on all fronts ..

              The navel will be untied. "Putting" and "putting" are different things, it's like a dog biting on the wheels of passing cars - it can bite, but it cannot bite.
          2. kakvastam
            kakvastam 12 September 2018 13: 08
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            eat both in turn

            Now it is our turn, China, as expected, is waiting for its own. But at the final stage of eating, he can also join the meal - not to lose the good.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 12 September 2018 18: 29
              0
              Quote: kakvastam
              gives his. But at the final stage of eating, he can also join the meal - not to lose the good.

              Last dinner before the execution? Americans can only dream of this. However, in the real world, they do not have to deal with mentally handicapped people.
    2. arhPavel
      arhPavel 12 September 2018 09: 29
      0
      I wonder what is your opinion based on? Were there any historical facts?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 12 September 2018 09: 47
        0
        Quote: arhPavel
        I wonder what is your opinion based on?

        On a cartoon that China will certainly have to conquer the Far East. Battered agitation.
  5. freddyk
    freddyk 12 September 2018 09: 26
    +1
    Here, I think Mattis is right, there will be no union as opposed to NATO. The Chinese will not harness for Russia, they have their own interests. But joint exercises will be more than once. At least not enemies, and that’s good.
  6. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 12 September 2018 09: 27
    +2
    I see not only that in the long run it can be a reason for the unification of Russia and China (militarily). Both of these countries act in their own interests.

    But they are trying their best to ensure that these interests coincide for a long time.
  7. K. Sergey.
    K. Sergey. 12 September 2018 09: 38
    +2
    Will be - will be. And the union will be, and trade for the national currency.
  8. Conductor
    Conductor 12 September 2018 09: 49
    0
    But in whose interests should they act? Is it really in the interests of the United States?
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2018 10: 01
    0
    Pentagon: Military Union of Russia and China will not

    ... the merikathos is bluffing, because for them such a Union would be the last nail in the lid of the coffin, where all the mericatos would fit ... bully
  10. Runoway
    Runoway 12 September 2018 10: 46
    +1
    In what Matis is right, objectively:
    -With China, they threw China with communism (they even have cartoons for children on this subject) where can we now take faith in an ally to specifically turn our backs to the west?
    -Plus the whole situation "everyone has their own interests" the world now resembles Russia under the 300-year invasion of the golden horde, all the principalities understand that the hegemon needs to be removed, but they do not want to reunite and do not lose hope in the mercy of the hegemon.
    The same Iran is more firm in its position towards the United States, calling it a hotbed of terrorists, while our Foreign Ministry restrainedly calls them "partners". Russia, as such, does not have a clear position against the West, we seem to snap, but at the same time we look in our mouths ..... So the Russian Federation and the PRC are spinning, sometimes together, sometimes apart, and China's interest is only in training and technology
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 September 2018 11: 00
    0
    And once it’s enough for us, to give striped stripes. I am tormented by vague doubts that the stripes are very much afraid of our military alliance with China, because the state’s military power propagated by their media is really a big bluff and is designed to fight natives armed only with small arms.
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 September 2018 12: 14
    0
    Of course, the interests of China and Russia differ, but given the aggressive policy of Washington towards both countries, the interests may coincide! And there it is a stone's throw to a military alliance, which is scary gentlemen "chosen by God" or else it will be ...
  13. bald
    bald 12 September 2018 13: 09
    0
    To put it mildly, they are mistaken - since 2013 - in Russia, in Chebarkul (Chelyabinsk region) - they are held constantly.
  14. NordUral
    NordUral 12 September 2018 17: 10
    -1
    Wait and see how it will be. The incredible happens more often than expected.