Is Erdogan ready to fight for Idlib against the CAA?

The Syrian army carried out an operation against militants in the northern province of Latakia. The operation was due to the fact that the terrorists occupying territories in the north of the country have recently stepped up their attempts to attack the Russian Khmeimim air base with the help of drones. In addition, militants are increasingly shelling the positions of the Syrian government forces. The most active group is Hayat Tahrir ash-Sham (*banned in the Russian Federation) together with the so-called Islamic Party of Turkestan*.

The CAA carried out several attacks on the positions of terrorists, causing significant damage to manpower and military equipment. According to Syrian media reports, militant positions in mountainous areas were destroyed.

Meanwhile, Turkish troops continue to go to Idlib province. This promotion of Turkish troops is carried out against the backdrop of harsh statements by the Turkish president.

In his speech, Erdogan said that "he appeals to the whole world with the goal of stopping Assad in Idlib." According to Erdogan, who are published in the American press, "if Assad is not stopped, the whole world will have to pay too much price."

Military experts point out that this statement by the President of Turkey actually indicates that Turkish troops, who are additionally being deployed to Idlib, are ready to engage in direct clashes with the CAA in the event that the Syrian army starts a land de-occupation operation of the province. With such a development of events, the further course of the hostilities in Syria is extremely difficult to predict, because it will mean the actual declaration of war to Syria by Turkey.

Comments

[ANCIENT]

Typical two-faced despot, it was necessary that the coup in Turkey be a success and the Erdogad at least toppled! And now he has to get something in Syria for which many hundreds of corpses of his warriors have stuck.

[bouncyhunter]

Vitalievich Did anyone expect anything else from him, given his dreams of a new Ottoman Empire?

[maxim947]

Is Erdogan ready to fight for Idlib against the CAA?

The article slightly distorted the statements of Comrade Erdogan, the essence of his statements came down to Turkey’s fear of a forceful solution to the Itlib problem and a completely predictable flow of refugees to the territory, including Turkey, and Erdogan suggested, give Itlib attention) - moderate opposition, and everyone knows who is behind this opposition. In general, the beetle is still one. These statements in fact do not remove responsibility from Turkey for a two-faced policy, but it is also not correct to distort information

[bouncyhunter]

Maksim Thanks for the clarification.

Quote: maxim947

In general, the beetle is still one

Undoubtedly.

[Romario_Argo]

I personally do not think that Erdogan will throw Putin.
Perhaps there is some kind of inaccurate translation that distorted the essence (!)

[maxim947]

His quotes:

"We will make every effort to eliminate all dangers and all threats to the military base in Khmeimim and to Aleppo. In this regard, I believe that we can remove those elements that bother our Russian friends and pose a threat to Khmeimim and Aleppo, to more distant places, "Erdogan said.

"In this regard, I want to say that this region can be controlled with the help of a moderate opposition," he said.

I agree, it is unlikely that he will throw Putin, at least in the short term, but he also does not hide his interests, knowing that they go against our interests.

[bald]

I agree that the meeting of the troika was not random and Putin was not. It is interesting how the states will behave, because they, in those areas, wanted to launch a missile - bomb strike, but their missiles do not quite have accuracy.

[Leeds]

It would be rash on the part of the CAA to pop in to Idlib now, for such support, which will be given to the spirits, can simply bring the entire victorious spirit forward with its feet. We must wait. Let the snakes live there with each other. Let Turkey and the civilized world feed them and see what society is under the rule of radical Islamists.
We have enough fuel to add to the fire.

[Nikolai Petrov]

On the question "wait". Here 50X50. An example is Sumeria. The "civilized" world feeds this rabble, and it will feed until those evil spirits will not be destroyed, just destroyed. And the "civilized" have enough pennies, it will be necessary - they will draw more. And they are all violet radical Islamists, fascists, etc. In this case, do not pay attention to the screams with foam at the mouth of the "community" and crush the fleas, as well as the banderyos. And the screams and provocations will naturally be, after all, they pinned the greatest hopes on them.
As for the Turks, the ally is slippery to say the least. Even if with a creaking heart, the undersultan in Idlib will contribute to something. Another, more difficult task will arise: How to expel the Ottomans from northern Syria. The wise East is a delicate matter. The ball there will have to unravel for a long time.

[Dashout]

Quote: maxim947

Is Erdogan ready to fight for Idlib against the CAA?

The article slightly distorted the statements of Comrade Erdogan, the essence of his statements came down to Turkey’s fear of a forceful solution to the Itlib problem and a completely predictable flow of refugees to the territory, including Turkey, and Erdogan suggested, give Itlib attention) - moderate opposition, and everyone knows who is behind this opposition. In general, the beetle is still one. These statements in fact do not remove responsibility from Turkey for a two-faced policy, but it is also not correct to distort information

Journalists are one of the oldest professions! and that's it...

[Demon_is_ada]

You are right, just complement. Normal refugees of the Sultan are not afraid, the whole other territory under Turkish control is the entrance yard. And here, even a peaceful man, these are igiloid families under the command of the Americans, where there are guarantees that then they will not drag relatives, and we all know
There are about 20 thousand militants there, and moreover, these survivors are the guard, a serious threat. And the army of the Sultan was not combat-ready, his brave march ended after the loss of 50 BTT in a couple of days. Given the huge authority of the army in Turkey (there have always been only military coups) and Gulen’s activities to overthrow Erdogan in the recent past, they are not very loyal, any irritant and they will quickly impeach him by cutting off his head ... Indeed, the threat is serious for him.
Well, about the occupation ... Erdogan took only those places where Turkomans live, they gravitate towards Turkey. The attempt to go further failed, although he had to control a large territory. At every opportunity, the Turks will happily leave Syria And what the hell Turkey several million people? So let Assad feed them, but there will still be influence on him through them, they will vote as Erdogan says.
East however

[protoss]

At every opportunity, the Turks will happily leave Syria

they build schools with hospitals there, rebuild mosques, open the post offices of Turkey (ptt). like this, we collected our little things and drove home, haha.

[mihey]

Erdogan may have completely different motives: to put up a barrier on his border from possible refugees and to prevent the babakhs who are not fed from entering Turkey. And the statements for the "world, democratic" public are a screen for diverting their eyes. Maybe this scenario was discussed in Astana.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: mihey

Maybe this scenario was discussed in Astana.

Maybe so - we'll see. But still, with this sultan one must keep an eye out.

[Pivot]

Well, not quite so, in his place after the coup would have put such a bastard. Which would not give life to our non-Syrians

[Yrec]

I think Tehran has agreed on the account of Idlib. Erdogan is only playing the role that was prescribed for him there. He is already "walking on fucking thin ice", he is unlikely to go to aggravation with us and with Iran. The song about Assad is most likely information noise. Although options are possible.

[protoss]

is it really not clear that Erdogan is not the kind of person to whom the role can be prescribed. if his interests are ignored, as in 2015, he will calmly aggravate, which is what he spoke about at the summit. under his protectorate there are now more Syrians than Assad, he sees them as voting shares, not a controlling stake, but at least a blocking one. and these shares can only be bought from him, but so far Iran and we have nothing to pay.

[Wolf47525]

And how will the allies and partners of Russia fight among themselves? It’s interesting.

[Whisper]

Somehow it’s not friendly!

[NordUral]

The gray wolf is his companion.

[Examenatornick]

Yes, wait still, the words mean nothing. We’ll look at deeds. It is not known how the three agreed without cameras

[Kasym]

Things are such that all the thieves barmaley were brought to Idlib. And the puppeteers are ready to "fight" for them - as long as real time will tell.
All this fuss will last until the first provocation. The production is blinded by white whippers or barmalei, which they again start among themselves, but Assad only needs a reason - he did not agree with anyone, and Idlib is the territory of Syria.

[pru-pavel]

It is necessary to accelerate the supply of S-400 to Turkey.

[Romario_Argo]

it is better to redirect these C-400 for Turkey to Syria and Iran. that's funny

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Romario_Argo

it is better to redirect these C-400 for Turkey to Syria and Iran. that's funny

The same thing happens. If in the first case, Erdogan will give Americans access to the export version of the complex, in the second case, Israel will select the S-400 (its parts). In the first case, it will be studied in more detail.

[bessmertniy]

Erdogan considers Idlib already a Turkish patrimony. Probably, Panteutian plvn of revival of the Ottoman Empire still roam in his head. Maybe you need to repeat - cut him into tomatoes so that it roars. I mean on the export of vegetables to the Russian Federation.

[NordUral]

That's right, I think so too. In the Baltic, Poland woke up, remembering the Commonwealth, and this one was born the Ottoman sultan.

[protoss]

ha-ha, again "won't get off with tomatoes"? I was so amused by this "tomato war". Erdogan played the classic "just not into the thorny bush" and our inhabitants really believed that the cool GDP grabbed the dumb-ass Regja by the tomatoes. in reality, there is a question of 250-300 million tanks per year, finally not the amount for the country. Erdogan allowed Putin to save face with this tomato victory. he, after the destruction of such a formidable su24, uttered and raised such a campaign of hysteria in the country, from which it is very difficult to crawl out into the real world and return relations to a normal course. At the same time, from the very beginning of the crisis, the Turks said that, they say, let's live together and not fan the cold war out of the incident.

[AID.S]

Quote: bessmertniy

Erdogan considers Idlib already a Turkish patrimony

What can you do, where will you go, if that is so. In our brains of such estates, half of the Union, or even the whole, with ATS.

[Krasnodar]

"If Assad is not stopped, the whole world will have to pay too much."
He hints that Russian intervention on the side of the SAA will not stop him and, in this case, he counts on NATO support. Either Tehran didn’t agree on anything, or this is such a three-way game, or began to suck up on the Americans after the fall of the lira.

[NordUral]

Putin is a good ally. For a long time I have been repeating from my hemp - friendship will hiccup to us (at our own expense the people) with this unfinished sultan.

[Bull Terrier]

Someone called his ally?)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: NordUral

Putin is a good ally. For a long time I have been repeating from my hemp - friendship will hiccup to us (at our own expense the people) with this unfinished sultan.

Not an ally. A strong player in the region, with whom it is preferable to agree on a good one.

[Dave36]

We have less and less conditions for maneuver .. Maybe today the UN Security Council will reject our proposals on Idlib and we will come off ... it would be better if they came off ... I do not want our swords to die for the desert ...

[Bull Terrier]

What maneuvers? Erdogan has enough of his problems with the Kurds. Idlib worries him precisely because of the refugees, well, even because the bearded will retreat from there towards his borders. And what he says is no different from what it was in 14-15 years. Again, Europe scares refugees, they will demand money. He will not attack the Syrian army even in a delirious state. Now, against the backdrop of all his troubles, he has only to enter into a fight with Moscow) he defends his interests. We are ours. Iran is its own. All the lousiest things will begin after the liberation of Idlib. Everyone will start tearing the blanket over themselves, who has done more, who will get what.

[Dave36]

The Syrians constantly declare the liberation of the entire territory. With regards to the Turks ... we landed two of our aircraft, one off ... the other through a proxy ... and will do it if necessary again ...

[Bull Terrier]

Having done something like this, against the background of graters with Europe and the states, having received us as enemies, Erdogan will become, let us say softly, very much more. He won’t do it. He is not stupid. You just need to understand to everyone that he has his own interests there. Is it in vain that they meet with Putin all the time? Everyone will agree there.

[Dave36]

This is, after all, his problems and he will solve them ... without any special problems .. Refuse from c400, essentially sentenced the Turkish stream ... Merkel will promise loyalty ... will cease to demand the surrender of Gulen ... he has something to offer the West

[faiver]

so what the hell is going on?

[friend of animals]

Perhaps Turkey will squeeze the Annusra out of the north and occupy some agreed territories. But something suggests that there will be a massive transition of jihadists to the side of the "moderate". And suddenly it turns out that the annusra disappeared in a few days.

[Snail N9]

VVP's biggest mistake was saving Erdogan during the coup. If it had been removed then, Turkey would have plunged into the "orange revolution", which would have ended either with a new arrival of the military or with a general civil chaos in which the Turks would certainly have no time for Syria. So, now we are reaping the fruits of another HPP ... This is a dead end from which there is no way out for GDP. It is now necessary to bring down Erdogan, but now, after he has strengthened his position in Turkey in its armed forces, it is extremely difficult to do. We'll have to divide Syria.

[protoss]

GDP's biggest mistake was to save Erdogan during the coup

do you seriously believe in this tale? there already the trial of the putsch took place, during which it became clear that the coup leaders were "led" from the very beginning, provoked to a false start, the leadership of the conspiracy had its own people, etc. etc. and the main puppeteer, apparently, was Fidan.

[Snail N9]

Well, why not believe it? All these "eastern courts" .... uh-uh .... this is the same as the "Basmanny Court" only "in the square". The "Sultan" himself came and "crumbled" in the courtesies of VVP for help in this matter. On TV they showed how Erdogan almost fraternized with VVP, saying that Turkey will not forget those who helped her in the "difficult" hour ...

[protoss]

Well, I would beware of comparing Turkish courts with ours. there are quite frequent decisions across the interests of the executive branch, which we have not observed for the last 8 years.

the "sultan" came and "crumbled"

The sultan is always kind and eloquent, and yes, he thanked the GDP for the quick support expressed, despite the fact that the "NATO allies" were waiting for a denouement and frankly saddened when they realized that the coup had failed. and the gdp expressed support almost earlier than aliyev.

[Snail N9]

"Against the executive branch", yeah, look how the trial of the military who allegedly took part in the conspiracy ended "... Well, the sultan himself clearly said that he was "warned" at the last moment by those whom he "could not even think of ...."

[protoss]

his son-in-law warned him, who is now the Minister of Finance (official version), and the chief of security was controlled by the fidan, because I knew about the putsch 6 hours before the start. then all the key figures played a performance in which the military was to be defeated not by the special services, but by the people. at the same time, there were moles in the leadership of the putschists who merged all the information during the coup.

[Snail N9]

Yes, yes, yes .... it is quite possible that the putschists were "herded", but .... only someone warned him to change the evacuation route when his helicopter was unsuccessfully searched for by F-16 fighters ...

[protoss]

were these f16? this episode of air flight, apparently, should add the drama of history.
Erdogan resolved his main domestic political problem with a putsch, effectively breaking the system that had existed for many decades. the performance was a success, everything looked believable. it cannot be admitted that the putsch could have been suppressed at the very start, since the question of the death of 250 people will automatically arise. therefore both Erdogan and Fidan and Akar and Albayrak will adhere to the "happy salvation" version. Although subsequent events - the abandonment of Fidan and Akar and even the growth of their influence at the top, they say that people coped with the task and "worked out" the putsch 100%.
the fact that the putsch was controlled even says that not one of the senior members of Erdogan’s entourage was injured.

[SGarnik]

+1
The biggest mistake GDP made was to save Erdogan during the coup.

There is not much difference who is at the helm in Turkey, they have one strategy. Someone openly positions himself as an enemy, and someone cheating as an Erdogan, received a present from us and back to the track, as they say in the tracks of the Ataturk at the time.

[Livonetc]

Traditional oriental bargaining and barking on a caravan.
Definitely bargain.

[Dead duck]

In his speech, Erdogan said that he "appeals to the whole world to stop Assad in Idlib." According to Erdogan, which is published in the American press, "if Assad is not stopped, the whole world will have to pay too much."

Maybe he is just afraid (and hints) that this pack (militants) will trample in Turkey?! ...

[flicker]

Is Erdogan ready to fight for Idlib against the CAA?

Erdogan seems to think that he can maneuver (between Russia and the states) forever. But only if he decides to throw himself into the arms of the United States again, he must understand that they can forgive Turkey, but personally Erdogan is not.

[Dikson]

This is wonderful ... ((One way or another - Idlib will not be given Assad ..

[UMA-UMA]

Sadness is different. All countries are ready to fight for their national interests. Everyone except us. Once again, we were bred like kittens - from which it was necessary to believe the Turks and allow them to enter Syria? Now kick them out, yeah.

[SGarnik]

Sadness is different. All countries are ready to fight for their national interests. Everyone except us. Once again, we were bred like kittens - from which it was necessary to believe the Turks and allow them to enter Syria? Now kick them out, yeah.
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This could initially be expected by remembering the history of "brotherly" relations.
The Turks just will not give up Idlib. There are the most efficient proxies there, and they still need them for other conflicts.

[aszzz888]

In his speech, Erdogan said that he "appeals to the whole world to stop Assad in Idlib."

... weather vane in action. .. the same kooky ...

[Awaz]

well, firstly it was predictable. By the way, I wrote about this in a very recent topic.
But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that the authorities of the Russian Federation managed a little with this Erdogan. Of course, I am almost sure that the SAA and Turkish troops will not come to direct clashes. However, the actions of Turkey create decent problems in the topic of calming the bandits in the same Idlib. And it was necessary for the Russian authorities to understand and calm the situation in advance and for a long time. Unfortunately, flirting with a very two-faced character, as well as the majority of Arabs and the inhabitants of the Middle East in general, does not lead to anything good. They need to be tough and clear with them, and even with force, and then something could be negotiated ... And so, only problems alone

[Zina389]

it looks like the meeting of the three Perdogan, the uncle in the dress and the GDP failed

[LeonidL]

Druzhban Erdogan ????