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UVZ has prepared a BMP-1 modernization program up to the Basurmanin BMP-1AM version

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Infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1, which are in service with the Russian army and are in storage, will be upgraded. The program of large-scale modernization of the BMP-1 to the level of the BMP-1AM Basurmanin was prepared by the Uralvagonzavod corporation (UVZ, part of Rostec), Interfax-AVN reports, citing a representative of the UVZ.


UVZ has prepared a BMP-1 modernization program up to the Basurmanin BMP-1AM version


As it was explained at Uralvagonzavod, at present, the BMP-1AM is completing the test program, the other day the new BMP was tested for air transport stability. According to the available information, there are currently several hundred BMP-1 in the army, and several thousand more combat vehicles are in storage areas. The exact number of upgraded machines in the UVZ did not name, but said that the modernization program will be large-scale.



During the modernization of the BMP-1 to the version of the BMP-1AM "Basurmanin", the machine will receive a unified combat compartment from the BTR-82А with the 30-mm automatic gun 2А72, 7,62-mm PKTM machine gun. The BMP will be equipped with a fire control system with a combined daily TKN-4HA-01 anti-aircraft sight, a two-plane weapon stabilizer and anti-tank guided missile anti-tank missile 9-115 Metis. In addition, the UTD-20C1 engine and torsion shafts of high power consumption are installed on the new BMP.
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  1. Dangerous
    Dangerous 10 September 2018 17: 03
    +12
    The farther, the more ancient equipment will be modernized ... In about 10 years, they will probably take on the T-62 ... Hmmm ....
    1. Yrec
      Yrec 10 September 2018 17: 06
      +18
      We are preparing for war. God forbid that it does not start or bypasses, but gunpowder and berries should be in place.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 September 2018 17: 09
        +18
        Quote: Yrec
        gunpowder and berries must be in place

        In the flocks and buttocks? wink
        Quote: Dangerous
        The farther, the more ancient technology modernized

        If there are enough of them in BHVT - what do you suggest? Stupidly write off and cut into scrap metal? Or give to everyone in need?
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 10 September 2018 17: 15
          -1
          you never know what is stored at our bases. You yourself do not mind the soldier, who will ride this miracle?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 September 2018 17: 20
            +30
            The BMP-1 has long been ridden with armor, rarely inside. But an increase in its firepower will clearly benefit the same infantry. The easiest thing is to throw something old, but reliable. Is there anything to replace? Isn't it better to upgrade and give a second life?
            1. For example
              For example 10 September 2018 19: 48
              +12
              What a name! Basurmanin. I mean, unchrist.
              Well, at least they did not call the devil or nits. laughing
              Judging by the name, they are preparing for sale in Asian countries.

              BMP - "Ghoul". BMP option for export to Arab countries. wassat
              BMP - "Pederast" for export to EU countries. wassat
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 September 2018 19: 55
                +6
                Quote: For example
                Option BMP for export to Arab countries.

                Most likely this is planned.
                Quote: For example
                What a name! Basurmanin.

                There is such a Basurmanin:

                wink
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          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 17: 36
            +18
            And what do you think BTR-82 is much better? Or what is better than BMP-2 / BMD-2? Or maybe it's better to move around in the back of the Urals or Kamaz?
            In Chechnya, I saw MTLB with such a tower back in the mid-2000s, but this is not the best defense in the world for infantry, but better than nothing ...
            Work on new equipment is ongoing, but there is a need to see the old BMPs modernized and in large quantities ...
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 10 September 2018 17: 55
              +3
              How long do these jobs go? There is bmp3, why do they stick an ancient penny instead of it? The three-ruble note has both firepower and armor. And here what? Why, if there really is a war on the doorstep and all that, outdated equipment is being pushed into the army? Absolutely everything that is now in service and is being "modernized" was created in the USSR. In Russia, none of the types of weapons has such a number of receipts to the troops as before. Why? Why are we being told that we have no analogues in any of the types of weapons? Maybe it is. But where is it all? Well, after all, this is not a ship or even an airplane, this is an infantry fighting vehicle. So at least new BMP3s can provide the entire army. no, they continue to reintroduce old stuff ...
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 18: 29
                +10
                What is the armor in the BMP-3? And how many of these BMP-3s are in Russia? There are 500 and 200 more should have been done for 2016-2017 ...

                And BMP-1 already has more than 7000 pieces in storage, not counting 2000 that are still in service ...

                What to do with them? Throw away? And how long should they wait until they are replaced by the BMP-3 with a pace of construction of 100 units per year? And the price of each is 300-500 thousand dollars ...

                The situation seems to be really heating up and decided to carry out an easy upgrade, without changing anything except the turret, in fact we get a new BMP with modern weapons ...
            2. Antiliberast
              Antiliberast 11 September 2018 01: 25
              +1
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              In Chechnya, I saw MTLB with such a tower back in the mid-2000s

              An armored personnel carrier with the same tower was already there with 95 roofing felts in 96.
          3. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 10 September 2018 21: 12
            +5
            Quote: Dangerous
            you never know what is stored at our bases. You yourself do not mind the soldier, who will ride this miracle?

            M113 is more reliable?
      2. Dangerous
        Dangerous 10 September 2018 17: 11
        0
        What kind of war? If they were preparing, then really new equipment would enter the troops. How many Kurganians are sawing, 7 years or 8? What, during this time it was impossible to bring the car to mind and start deliveries? This BMP from anyone that flies into it burns with the crew.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 17: 32
          +19
          That's right, but it's better to have a BMP with a 30-mm gun, a thermal imager and an ATGM than to have nothing ...
          Work on bringing new cars goes according to plan, but there is a need to see and upgrade old cars ...
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 September 2018 17: 39
            +20
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            it’s better to have a BMP with a 30-mm gun, a thermal imager and ATGM than to have nothing

            Right . Do not forget the winged words of Abdullah performed by Kavsadze in "White Sun of the Desert":
          2. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 10 September 2018 17: 45
            +1
            So these are the new modules of berezki. On them, 540 pieces last year and signed a contract. But they don’t even talk about BMP1, which is described here, even in Moscow Region. And UVZ does not conduct that modernization. These are just trying to find their niche
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 10 September 2018 18: 52
              +14
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              So these are the new modules of berezki

              This is NOT a care. This is a module from BTR-82A. Berezhok put on BMP-2.

              Quote: Dangerous
              This BMP from anyone that flies into it burns with the crew.

              Wow, it turns out BMP-2 (BMP-1 + 30mm AP) burns with the crew. It’s just interesting why the BMP-2 was loved by crews in Afghanistan, why in both BCs (with the exception of the Maikop brigade and 81 small and medium-sized military vehicles, which lost almost all of their equipment on the forecourt during the New Year’s assault), they suffered small losses, and why in Syria, out of 200 BMPs -2 lost only about a dozen? By the way, what BMPs weighing up to 30 tons do not burn, in your opinion?

              The penny has its cons: side armor from 7,62, low mine resistance and ergonomics + lack of anti-RPG and ATGM systems. At the same time, with the appearance of a 30mm artillery on it, its survivability will increase - the distance and effectiveness of detection / destruction of infantry, firing points and light / medium armored vehicles will increase, the explosiveness will decrease in comparison with the old bk.
          3. IDRICHANIN
            IDRICHANIN 10 September 2018 19: 59
            +1
            A thermal imager is not provided, which is sad. ATGM, very old and weak.
        2. AVA77
          AVA77 10 September 2018 17: 48
          +8
          For me, it’s better. An old TT is better than judo and mole. In your opinion it turns out like this. They haven’t riveted a new one yet (in the process of fine-tuning). They cut the old one into needles and with a bare backside into the embrasure. And the war is at hand. If you didn’t notice it in the Donbass.
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 10 September 2018 17: 30
      +13
      UVZ can prepare a modernization program for VAZ 2101. Or t 34-85 if desired. This is not a contract, not a discussion of it, not even an interest. This is just an offer. The plant is looking for new contracts. This is a normal practice. Another thing is that BMP 1 is not even the main BMP in our army. I met them last time in weapons towns, at a joke like a mock on a platform. No longer come across. But a bunch of BMP1 is in small armies that need such a cheap upgrade oh, as needed. So they will be offered it. And our MO does not need this at all. Why put 1 on modernization when BMP2 is already delivered with the anti-tank gun? Only in the summer we drove this modification.
    3. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 10 September 2018 17: 36
      +4
      and what do you propose to tear and rivet to rivet with boomerangs? and where to get thousands of infantry fighting vehicles from storage and operation bases in the army?
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 10 September 2018 18: 50
        +1
        and what do you propose to tear and rivet to rivet with boomerangs?
        upgrade the T-34 from storage bases and still prove to the whole world that a banana republic can be without a banana
        and where to put thousands of infantry fighting vehicles from storage and operation bases in the troops
        Yes, and we also have storage of steam locomotives at the bases, do you propose to hell with curtailing the production of locomotives and releasing them to the train?))
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 10 September 2018 17: 36
      +13
      Quote: Dangerous
      The farther, the more ancient equipment will be modernized ... In about 10 years, they will probably take on the T-62 ... Hmmm ....

      sadness ... I am glad that the rest of the "advanced civilized" each time rivet exclusively new and original technique !! wink yes wassat wassat wassat
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 10 September 2018 17: 47
        -9
        So funny! You’re not being planted in this coffin, you can also send emoticons! It's easy to screw yourself! For fun, take a look at what Americans or Israelis are moving on, and what level of protection there is.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 10 September 2018 17: 53
          +13
          Quote: Dangerous


          Dangerous Today, 17:47
          0
          So funny! You’re not being planted in this coffin, you can also send emoticons! It's easy to screw yourself! For fun, take a look at what Americans or Israelis are moving on, and what level of protection there is.

          recourse recourse Well, you, by all appearances, are an expert of extra-class ... and you ride on "our coffins", and you use Euro-American "high-class" equipment !!! what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

          Another American disgrace: BMP M-2 "Bradley" in Saudi Arabia in battles burn like matches
          https://topwar.ru/89068-ocherednoy-amerikanskiy-pozor-bmp-m-2-bredli-v-saudovskoy-aravii-v-boyah-goryat-kak-spichki.html


          On the loss of tanks Abrams
          https://topwar.ru/89129-o-poteryah-tankov-abrams.html
          1. Dangerous
            Dangerous 10 September 2018 18: 11
            -6
            Can you show how our technology is burning in Syria? I think not worth it
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 10 September 2018 18: 14
              +10
              Quote: Dangerous
              Can you show how our technology is burning in Syria? I think not worth it

              show ... especially on the scale of how your "high-class" Euro-American one burned !!! wink yes
              1. spektr9
                spektr9 10 September 2018 18: 52
                -7
                show ... especially on the scale of how your "high-class" Euro-American one burned !!!

                You probably need to remember how many t-72s were burned around the world and how many abroms, and then stutter about the scale lol
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 10 September 2018 19: 16
                  +7
                  Quote: spektr9
                  show ... especially on the scale of how your "high-class" Euro-American one burned !!!

                  You probably need to remember how many t-72s were burned around the world and how many abroms, and then stutter about the scale lol

                  recourse this, probably, you must first learn to read comments, and then clever !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 11 September 2018 09: 48
          +4
          Quote: Dangerous
          For fun, take a look at what Americans or Israelis are moving on, and what level of protection there is.

          Looked at the USA - M113 (5 units), Bradley (000 units), Stryker (2 units);
          IDF - M113 (5), Nagmashot (heavy armored personnel carrier based on the Centurion tank) and BTR-900P (50 units).
          Which of the above do you consider to be the highest achievement of military engineering and possessing guaranteed infantry protection?
          Perhaps only "Strikers" have mine protection, but weak armor and Israeli Nagmashots, which can operate in battle formations of tanks on the battlefield ...
          Both the American M113 armored personnel carriers, the Bradley armored personnel carriers and the British Trojan armored personnel carriers and the Soviet BMP-1 were created for the use of Front groups in the European theater of operations, after the end of the Cold War, in NATO countries, there was a need for other equipment, however, no one writes off the old , modernize or spend on drink for new NATO members (Poland alone swallowed all used Leopards) ...
          All the leading countries are primarily involved in the modernization of BT, the creation of fundamentally new models can allow units (my country is among them) ....
      2. Black sniper
        Black sniper 10 September 2018 18: 00
        +9
        And will such an upgrade be justified ??? Maybe it’s really better to sell it to all those in need, but for the proceeds to produce something modern, albeit not in a big volume ?! hi
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 10 September 2018 18: 57
          +4
          Quote: Black Sniper
          +2
          And will such an upgrade be justified ??? Maybe it’s really better to sell it to all those in need, but for the proceeds to produce something modern, albeit not in a big volume ?!

          On the one hand, it would be better to sell, but there are better cars on the market than BMP-1. The same BMP-2 and their Chinese counterparts. The rich BMP-1 operators prefer to either replace it completely or put BM Berezhok (Algeria) on it.
          On the other hand, what to do with the existing park? Suppose they upgrade 1000-2000 cars from the latest releases - is it justified? Perhaps yes. But the modernization of the entire BMP-1 fleet is not.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 11 September 2018 09: 54
          +2
          Quote: Black Sniper
          And will such an upgrade be justified ??? Maybe it’s really better to sell it to all those in need, but for the proceeds to produce something modern, albeit not in a big volume ?! hi

          Yes, the Russian Federation somehow handed over to Kazakhstan from its warehouses S-300 of the first generations, so the representatives of your country here on the forum such a galdesh arranged that give rubbish ....
          Only after the SAR, the price of old Soviet weapons received a new high price ....
          And again, what is considered junk, for example, the United States still has its M113 in service?
    5. kenig1
      kenig1 10 September 2018 17: 51
      +6
      Google to help you, learn about Bradley.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 10 September 2018 18: 07
        +6
        Quote: kenig1
        Google to help you, learn about Bradley.

        I excluded him a chain in the form of Google and immediately threw the links !! wink yes soldier soldier soldier
    6. maykl8
      maykl8 10 September 2018 18: 22
      +4
      +2 The farther, the more ancient equipment will be modernized ... In about 10 years, they will probably take on the T-62 ... M-yes ....

      For the National Guard will do. Again, if the Cold War turns into a hot one, then it will be necessary to make up for losses in order to maintain the combat potential of the compound.
    7. Note 2
      Note 2 11 September 2018 09: 34
      0
      Your truth Dangerous in spite of the statements of the "guarantor" about saturation of the army with the most modern weapons they are sniffing out old stuff. The module from the BTR 82 may be going on for now, but the running trough with poor controllability on asphalt and flat surfaces. Afghan and Chechnya showed this when the side projections of the hull were shot even from a machine gun. In short yesterday! And the coolest thing is the fuel tanks in the doors of the airborne squads from behind, if you get there with a BZT bullet it burns very well.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 11 September 2018 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: Prim2
        side projections of the body were shot even from automatic

        No need to tell tales, dear. From AK-74, etc. even with armor-piercing you will not break a penny’s side.
    8. Serg 122
      Serg 122 11 September 2018 16: 50
      +1
      Quote...
      The farther, the more ancient equipment will be modernized ... In about 10 years, they will probably take on the T-62 ..

      So we have already started. They are already ready for use at Vostok-2018 ...
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    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 17: 30
      +7
      They didn’t forget anything, they simply didn’t do it ... Although with additional protection from 12,7 mm bullets and an anti-cumulative net, this BMP would be clearly survivable ...
  3. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 10 September 2018 17: 17
    +3
    As for me, there is not enough ATGM ...
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 17: 29
      +7
      ATGM is "Metis", but it is clearly not enough, it has a range of only 2 km, to use it on the tank will have to enter the zone of its destruction, and this is fraught with the destruction of the BMP ... Why did not they install the "Cornet" with a launch range of up to 5 km, it is not clear ...
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 10 September 2018 17: 48
        -2
        Where did you see the bird?)
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 10 September 2018 17: 52
          +13
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Where did you see the bird?)

          We carefully read the article and see:
          The BMP will be equipped with a fire control system with a combined all-day anti-aircraft sight TKN-4GA-01, a two-plane weapon stabilizer and anti-tank guided weapons 9K115 "Metis" ATGM
          1. Note 2
            Note 2 11 September 2018 09: 45
            +2
            Although the modernized mestizo no longer meets modern requirements for range.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 11 September 2018 09: 46
              +1
              I agree, the same "Cornet" would be more appropriate. But this is a question for UVZ.
  4. Guru
    Guru 10 September 2018 17: 17
    +2
    It is a pity the side screens were not provided as on the terminator.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 September 2018 17: 28
      +9
      Why are they there? On board it is pierced from rifle caliber infantry machine guns. The machine changes minimally, just throw the old tower with Thunder and put a new unified with the BTR-82A.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 10 September 2018 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        On board it is pierced from rifle caliber infantry machine guns.

        At what distance and with what ammunition do not tell me? I am interested in the fact that:
        - according to TTZ, she must keep on board 7,62;
        - he himself was previously convinced of this, until he received a malicious snitch;
        - judging by the open data on Afghanistan, if it was pierced, it was either from 12,7 or from old English rifles, which had a huge, compared with conventional, power.
        1. Note 2
          Note 2 11 September 2018 09: 47
          0
          They even pierced from AKM in the same Chechnya. They shot from the upper floors of buildings.
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 11 September 2018 16: 48
            0
            Quote: Prim2
            They even pierced from AKM in the same Chechnya. They shot from the upper floors of buildings.

            In fairy tales. Well, it does not break through her akm / ak. In the best case, it can be broken only by a line of armor-piercing ones, but this is again from the category of science fiction and such an exception that it is easier to attribute to bad luck. Or from the SVD (again armor-piercing), but at close range.
      2. seos
        seos 10 September 2018 19: 13
        0
        They don’t penetrate it from a heavy machine gun .... there is 18 mm high hardness armor
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 17: 27
    +9
    Let's say it is better to have a BMP-1 "Basurmanin" with a turret from the BTR-82 with a 30-mm cannon, a thermal imager and stabilization in two planes, but why is the "Metis" ATGM with a range of up to 2 km, and not the same "Cornet" with a range of up to 5 km?
    1. Don
      Don 10 September 2018 19: 44
      +6
      Because it is a homeless version of the so-called modernization. Just so cheaper. In our time, BMP with such modernization, even blacks and Arabs are ashamed to sell. For your interest, the yacht Eclipse, one of our oligarchs, costs ATTENTION how 2200 NEW BMP-3 at the maximum price!
  6. san4es
    san4es 10 September 2018 17: 36
    +15
    .... Demonstration of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1AM "Basurmanin", BMP-2M "Berezhok" and BMP K-17 "Berezhlivy" in the framework of the military-technical forum "Army-2018". During the demonstration, the BMP-2M and K-17 carried out a tandem launch of the Kornet ATGM missiles ... 2 ..... soldier

    - "Basurmanin" is clearly not enough ATGMs hi
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 10 September 2018 17: 46
      +1
      Will go for export.
  7. senima56
    senima56 10 September 2018 17: 44
    0
    And where is the "Metis" anti-tank guided ATGM 9K115 in the picture ?!
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 10 September 2018 17: 55
      +5
      ATGM in the fighting compartment, from the installation you get and install on the launcher. Carefully study the materiel.
      1. seos
        seos 10 September 2018 19: 14
        0
        change the tower ... what materiel)
  8. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 10 September 2018 17: 50
    +3
    The point in such modernization is zero. The car is completely outdated in the sense of protection and the proposed modernization does not "cure" the word at all. Actually, the BMP-1 was made for a different concept of a military conflict.
    Well, as a primary school, you can probably use it. Some kind of auxiliary technique can be done.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 18: 35
      +3
      The meaning of this modernization is to get a BMP that can transport people and support them with fire at any time of the day and in any weather ...
      They developed a variant, maybe they will do several BMPs in exactly this way and upgrade them, just in case we have more than 7000 BMP-1 in storage, not counting 2000 of those in the army ...
      How do you replace them quickly? There is nothing to replace them, but you can upgrade and you can do it quickly ...
      1. Morglenn
        Morglenn 10 September 2018 21: 23
        +1
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        The meaning of this modernization is to get a BMP that can transport people and support them with fire at any time of the day and in any weather ...

        Yeah, given that there is no reservation for her and no one wants to move in the troop compartment, she can only deliver people to the next world. About "nothing to replace them" is also controversial. If the state did not spend a huge amount of money on bank reorganization, salvation from sanctions " friends of the president, "then the forces and means for a qualitative leap in the rearmament of the army would be. There is no political will of the leadership
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 10 September 2018 21: 30
        +2
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        we have in storage more than 7000 BMP-1 apart from 2000 of those in the army ...

        According to "WIKI", in service with the Russian Federation only 4 infantry fighting vehicles, of which 500 BMP-1
        The Military Balance. - London: International Institute for Strategic Studies, 2017.
        So they have only one use - for export and in the ground forces of the "buffer" allied states (Poland, LPR, DPR, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, NKAO) ...
  9. gukoyan
    gukoyan 10 September 2018 17: 54
    0
    They survived ... I don’t need an armata, but not a few tools were swelled into it ... But BMP-1 in this configuration ... Well, what can I say, women still give birth ... I suggest that UVZ upgrade the T-34 ...
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 10 September 2018 18: 09
      -2
      They will explain to you right now that there are no new cars, they are all raw, and you need to fight on something, and they get from the warehouses what remains. And here is why there is no novya - nobody is interested here
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 10 September 2018 18: 18
        +5
        What for? BMP2 with a saving of 540 pieces last year contract. T_80 BMW 62 T90 m30 pieces. This year 132 t-14 and t15, a new contract for t 90m. About it there is no word. This is an upgrade for foreign owners of BMP1 which are quite a lot
      2. NN52
        NN52 10 September 2018 18: 32
        +9
        Dangerous
        You do not hear anyone here ...
        This is a modernization at EXPORT.
        The most for banana countries, cheap and cheerful ...
        And you have already taken it into service in our Armed Forces ... You need to think before writing this ...
        Thinking you are our ...
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 10 September 2018 18: 40
      +2
      What makes you think that Armata is unnecessary? What did someone say that the BMP-1 is being modernized instead of or at the expense of the Armata project?

      "Armata" is a new tank, and unique, it has everything up to KAZ and its own radar with AFAR, 100 of them are already being made for the army ... How would you like to put it on stream without running it in immediately?

      Work on the "Armata" is in full swing, and "Basurmanin" is a variant of the BMP-1 modernization ...
    3. keeper03
      keeper03 10 September 2018 19: 20
      -3
      If you upgrade the T-34, then the American abrams will burn like matches !!! laughing yes soldier
    4. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 10 September 2018 21: 32
      +2
      Quote: gukoyan
      I suggest UVZ to upgrade the T-34 ...

      If the order will be, why not? Hussite comrades fight them well ....
  10. Old tanker
    Old tanker 10 September 2018 18: 43
    +4
    Such modernization is needed only for export to third countries and even to the most backward.
    Still, the BTR-152 would be reanimated. They are still in Syria and Iraq. Or on the BTR-50 "Berezhok" or the same tower from the BTR-82 they mastered)))
    On MT-TWT - this is somehow justified. On the cross they have no equal in the mountains and the Arctic. Unfortunately, our defense industry has not given birth to anything to replace the old "motolyga". But a “penny” with such modernization is only if as a mobresource to make up for combat losses in a big war.
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 18: 58
      +1
      Doesn’t it bother you to easily book a motorbike to put a 30mm gun on it? After all, the metal league only delivered the gun to the position in tow, and the BMP still operates in the battle formations of the first line.
  11. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 10 September 2018 18: 51
    -1
    Well, good. That came in handy.
  12. Conductor
    Conductor 10 September 2018 20: 08
    0
    Basurmanin. Well, how do they qualify incitement of interethnicity or an insult to the social group?
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 September 2018 20: 20
    +2
    Explain to me, Doctor of Technical Sciences, what torsion shafts are of high energy intensity ...
    1. Curious
      Curious 10 September 2018 20: 59
      +2
      Obviously, it was meant that the suspension design made changes that increased its (suspension) energy consumption compared to the old one.
    2. Corn
      Corn 10 September 2018 21: 18
      +2
      Almost like torsion fields, only shafts.
      Did they promise you a technique based on new physical principles? - get, sign hi
  14. I am Russian
    I am Russian 10 September 2018 20: 20
    -1
    what a shameful name ?!
  15. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 10 September 2018 20: 39
    -1
    Quote: Blackgrifon
    Quote: donavi49
    On board it is pierced from rifle caliber infantry machine guns.

    At what distance and with what ammunition do not tell me? I am interested in the fact that:
    - according to TTZ, she must keep on board 7,62;
    - he himself was previously convinced of this, until he received a malicious snitch;
    - judging by the open data on Afghanistan, if it was pierced, it was either from 12,7 or from old English rifles, which had a huge, compared with conventional, power.

    Did the Lee-Enfields have a "huge" power? Thanks to what, I wonder?
  16. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 10 September 2018 20: 47
    -1
    Quote: Old Tanker
    Such modernization is needed only for export to third countries and even to the most backward.
    Still, the BTR-152 would be reanimated. They are still in Syria and Iraq. Or on the BTR-50 "Berezhok" or the same tower from the BTR-82 they mastered)))
    On MT-TWT - this is somehow justified. On the cross they have no equal in the mountains and the Arctic. Unfortunately, our defense industry has not given birth to anything to replace the old "motolyga". But a “penny” with such modernization is only if as a mobresource to make up for combat losses in a big war.

    Changing the "motorcycle" is like shooting a remix of "Gentlemen of Fortune" or "Ivan Vasilich ...". It seems to be interesting, but that's not it ...
  17. Waldemar
    Waldemar 10 September 2018 20: 48
    +1
    The sides would at least cover ... armor zero
  18. Corn
    Corn 10 September 2018 21: 12
    -1
    "The sanctions are only for our benefit" (guarantor).
    They don’t even try to store well decommissioned aviation normally, otherwise the army would not have seen new aircraft, exploiting obsolete and useless iron.
  19. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 10 September 2018 21: 19
    +1
    The idea is good, but what about metal fatigue ...?
  20. Utlan
    Utlan 10 September 2018 21: 32
    0
    A strengthen armor?
  21. Tektor
    Tektor 10 September 2018 23: 10
    0
    I think that this type of modernization, i.e. Basurmanin, it makes no sense. Strengthening protection up to 30 caliber is required, and the combat module is absolutely not important: you need to deliver the fighters to the front edge. And neither BMP-1, nor armored personnel carriers, nor Basurmanin can fulfill this task. Need mesh or tubular screen grilles. I would take a pipe of hardened steel with a diameter of 25 mm with a wall of 4 mm, and welded a grate from it. I would place it at a small angle to the horizon, in order to achieve the requirement to reflect 30 mm of shells around the BMP. This is the main thing in modernization. To maintain buoyancy, you need to add floats, as in Kurganets-25.
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 11 September 2018 00: 42
      +2
      And to maintain volatility, you need to add a biplane box + ASH-82FN! laughing Joke!
      No, the idea with a living grid is such ...
  22. BRDM2M
    BRDM2M 11 September 2018 01: 14
    +2
    I see here some veterans gathered who fought exclusively on copecks, come to us in the Donbass and look at what the militia is fighting, it’s just BMP1s, and somehow they survive. And if such were it just a fairy tale
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 11 September 2018 08: 46
      +1
      Quote: BRDM2M
      I see here some veterans gathered who fought exclusively on copecks, come to us in the Donbass and look at what the militia is fighting, it’s just BMP1s, and somehow they survive.

      Rude elder? Here they participate in the discussion - Marshal, General, senior officers ....
      Prior to the recognition of LDNR as independent states, the Russian Federation cannot supply the last B and BTs which are not in service with the Armed Forces ...
      So do you understand the nomenclature of B and BT?
      Except you are not right for arming the DNI (apparently you do not read periodicals):
      The DNR forces are armed with: MLRS (over 80 units), several T-90s, about 300 T-72s, 400 T-64s, about 400 BMP-2 units etc., several hundred self-propelled guns and howitzers, more than 150 units of the Konkurs ATGM, 120 units of the Fagot ATGM, as well as more than a thousand RPG-7, small arms. At the same time, the size of the militia of the DPR and LPR was not disclosed.

      http://interpolit.ru/blog/chto_predstavljajut_soboj_segodnja_vsu_i_armija_ldnr/2016-10-18-7244
      Provided that in the millionth army of the Russian Federation there are only 3 of these vehicles, your BMP can be replaced by BMP-000, so the RF itself has only 3 (500 MSB) ...
      1. BRDM2M
        BRDM2M 11 September 2018 10: 15
        0
        And that dill has 90 tons in service, is it about the supply of equipment? You can write anything you like, but in fact I see deuces very rarely
  23. Konatantin 1992
    Konatantin 1992 11 September 2018 04: 56
    0
    Rumor has it that this modernization will be exported, you can always sell it to Iraq, Iran or anyone else. Well, you can give Syria, for example, or DLNR
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 11 September 2018 08: 01
      +2
      Quote: Konatantin 1992
      You can give Syria, for example, or DLNR

      Now, only LDNR, BMP-1AM "Basurmanin" with ATGM is needed, because in the APU tanks and other armored vehicles, like a fool candy wrappers .....
      And since the theater of operations in the Donbass will be held in the city of Donetsk and the steppe regions, you can’t do without an overhead reservation, which means you will have to install a more powerful engine, accordingly, nothing will remain native from BMP-1, only the skeleton ....
      According to "VIKI", the Russian Federation has 3000 BMP-2 and 500 BMP-3, this is ~ 87 msb on BMP, it is not so possible given the plans for mobilization deployment, there are 500 BMP-1 in service, and they can only be used after modernization in training centers The Russian Army and supply our allies ...
      Things are much better in quantitative terms with the presence of the BTR-60/70, they can also be upgraded like "Basurmanin", as suggested here Old tanker I think there is nothing shameful here, an example of Turkey, which made itself out of the M113 BMP ....
      Of course, the RF Armed Forces now have more BMPs than the USA (4 versus 000 Bradleys), but 2 BMPs - 500 and - 3, I think not so much .....
      Ideally, create a single modular cannon system with an ATGM and install it on the BMP-1 and BTR-60/70 and supply it to our allied "buffer" states located along the perimeter of the Russian Federation and covering it .....
      In general, a good article would be obtained (including a scientific one) on the modernization of the VT (currently in reserve) T-62, BMP-64, BMP-1, BTR-60/70 tanks removed from service with the Russian Armed Forces and their export Third World countries or transfers under military assistance (sale on long-term leasing) to their allies ...
      1. Konatantin 1992
        Konatantin 1992 11 September 2018 13: 03
        0
        They will install Metis on Basurmanin, there will be no thermal imager, just improved optics. There is a 16 mm board. it's weak for a modern battlefield,
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 11 September 2018 10: 37
      -1
      This is not a rumor) to sign contracts for the first 540 BMP and BMD2 in 2017 for modernization with care and then it is on BMP 1, which is several times weaker than direct evidence of this
  24. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 11 September 2018 17: 13
    0
    Quote: IDRICHANIN
    A thermal imager is not provided, which is sad. ATGM, very old and weak.

    Have you carefully studied the picture? There is a thermal imager there ..
    1. Konatantin 1992
      Konatantin 1992 12 September 2018 06: 25
      0
      Everyone saw, and here carefully or not))) they will not install a thermal imager serially
  25. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 September 2018 14: 34
    0
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    ... without changing anything except the tower, in fact we get a new BMP with modern weapons ...

    Or an old BMP with modern weapons?
  26. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 12 September 2018 22: 58
    0
    The title is, of course, traditionally valid. And the main thing is that it is not prohibited on the site yet. Somewhere in the southern Russian steppes, his puppy brother "Khazar" is crawling laughing