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This is a scary system! In the USA "appreciated" the Russian S-500 air defense system

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The American magazine The National Interest, recently not particularly flattering about the Russian anti-aircraft missile systems C-300 and C-400, decided this time to write about the latest Russian development - C-500. The American edition analyzed the potential of C-500 Prometheus and released a material with the title: “The terrible new Russian air and missile defense system C-500 sets new distance records,” writes “RG.”


This is a scary system! In the USA "appreciated" the Russian S-500 air defense system


In their material on the C-500, the authors state that the new Russian anti-aircraft missile system is capable of not only hitting ballistic missiles and satellites, but can also fight off invisible airplanes, including F-22 and F-35. At the same time, the publication notes that, although at the moment not all the capabilities of the C-500 air defense system were demonstrated, there is no reason to doubt its capabilities.

The authors write that the Russian creators of the complex tested it "in ranges that are considered impossible." According to US military sources, the Russian C-500 ADMS struck a target at a distance of almost 300 miles (about 500 kilometers), which is 50 miles (or more 80 kilometers) more than the declared characteristics of all similar systems in the world. It is noted that the C-500 uses several types of missiles designed to hit various existing air targets, and the ability to hit objects flying at a speed of seven kilometers per second generally makes the C-500 a "thunderstorm of everything flying, including satellites."

Summing up, the American magazine writes that the Russian C-500 system is capable of hitting targets at an altitude of 200 km and within a radius of 600 km, while it can simultaneously intercept up to 10 ballistic missiles. It is easily integrated into the air defense system and can work in conjunction with other Russian complexes. All this together makes the C-500 a "scary system."
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. private person
    private person 8 September 2018 18: 40
    -51
    And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?
    1. For example
      For example 8 September 2018 18: 43
      +39
      This is a consumer goods. It's time to feed the Americans with these goods. We got these ghouls. He does not live peacefully.
      And those who want to produce jeans, go to India. Get in line. If you are lucky, get into the factory, and you will be hired by Levyce or Rangler.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 8 September 2018 19: 01
        +14
        Quote: private person
        I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?


        And who should you produce?
        Try it yourself if something is missing
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 September 2018 19: 50
          +6
          Quote: bulvas
          And who should you produce?
          Try it yourself if something is missing

          Really... am He took and wiped his nose ... stop You, my dear man, do not produce the electricity you use, if that ... Citizens of the country and the authorities must exist in such a symbiosis that the issues that the state is obliged to solve (by its domestic policy) do not put citizens in a squid pose ...
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        2. Henderson
          Henderson 8 September 2018 22: 24
          -2
          if all by yourself, then why such a state?
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 8 September 2018 22: 56
            +8
            Quote: Henderson
            if all by yourself, then why such a state?


            Of course, the state should be such that it builds work, and feeds and wipes snot

            And we would be sitting on the couch and waiting for clues from the official, where the salary lies

            Only the question is: do you have to buy beer yourself or should the state also serve?

      2. GibSoN
        GibSoN 8 September 2018 22: 54
        -17
        We got these ghouls. He does not live peacefully.
        If you read your comment, definitely written in a drunken stupor, you get the impression that it is YOU who do not want to live peacefully! Only one thing is not clear! Why do they give warnings for the VO for completely normal comments .. And for those that actually clearly violate the laws (appeals, hostility, etc.) they pat on the head? We declared war on the USA ?! They are considered officially enemies of the Russian Federation ?! Maybe it's just time to go to court, with a couple of screenshots from VO? I understand that there is a significant part of nationalists (for the most part prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation!), But you need to know the measure!
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 9 September 2018 01: 18
          +11
          Quote: GibSoN
          We declared war on the USA ?! They are considered officially enemies of the Russian Federation ?!

          In my opinion the opposite. We were declared enemies. Sanctions, of course, are not war yet, but the policy of war has long been.
        2. Griol
          Griol 9 September 2018 09: 43
          +4
          The war began long ago. This is in 41st "Kiev was bombed, they announced to us ...". They are trying to destroy Russia with modern "bombing" - sanctions, provocations of small Britain. And no one cares that "the Skripals case is an analogue of the burning of the Bundestag in 1933. Someone is now criticizing Putin" for indecision, "because every second is" strategists "among hairdressers and former political workers.
        3. SETTGF
          SETTGF 9 September 2018 19: 28
          +2
          Librarian GibSoN! We well remember people like you, thanks to whom we almost lost our country and independence in the 90s ... And we well remember how you lied, robbed the old people, children and the whole people ... And now you stand up for your accomplices from the USA and their vassals! Now you won’t get through!
        4. jonht
          jonht 10 September 2018 04: 28
          -1
          If you understand, then lately more ARTICLES have been published inciting hatred among the population ....
          They are very emotional and do not pull on analytics or opinion ....
      3. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 8 September 2018 23: 19
        -8
        Well, of course, whether it’s the case in Russia - to work on a riverbed or Lukoil. A completely different thing, and so patriotic!
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 9 September 2018 00: 43
          +5
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          Well, of course, whether it’s the case in Russia - to work on a riverbed or Lukoil. A completely different thing, and so patriotic!


          if you don’t want to be hired - start your own business
          1. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 9 September 2018 13: 32
            -7
            Are we already on "you"? I didn’t drink Bundershaft with you, so please be kind to "you".
            And I don’t need to advise, in my life I haven’t hired anyone, everything is ok with me.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 9 September 2018 20: 18
              +2
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              Are we already on "you"? I didn’t drink Bundershaft with you, so please be kind to "you".
              And I don’t need to advise, in my life I haven’t hired anyone, everything is ok with me.


              Don't get excited
              it is not specifically written for you.

              I have no habit of giving advice


    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 8 September 2018 18: 44
      0
      Quote: private person
      And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?

      So smart.
      Lyosha, log in under your name.
    3. LMN
      LMN 8 September 2018 18: 58
      +8
      Quote: private person
      And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?

      We would have to turn for the S-400 feel
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 September 2018 19: 53
        +5
        Quote: LMN
        We would have to turn for the S-400

        And we would have to see what these S-400s are capable of ... belay At the same time, check the dad of all the bombs ... An updated flamethrower system ... In Syria, both time and place are suitable ...
    4. Examenatornick
      Examenatornick 8 September 2018 19: 07
      +4
      Well, you whine all the time. Contact the psychological help on the site of the Russian Ministry of Emergencies or something.
    5. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 September 2018 19: 17
      +5
      Well produce who forbids. Who are you waiting for? Who wants it produces. They killed one of the largest meat processing plants in the Soviet Union, so 6-7 fewer appeared in the okrug, each finds its own buyer. And no one knows what success or failure depends on. And the examples of the sea.
    6. Wiruz
      Wiruz 8 September 2018 19: 18
      -7
      And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?

      Yes Yes. Then the S-100500 will be, a terrible thing
    7. Victor_B
      Victor_B 8 September 2018 19: 31
      +31
      Almaz-Antey already made pans.
      You liberals were incredibly happy.
      It would be so quiet and dead.
      But now he greatly "pleases" your liberal curators from the Washington regional committee.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 8 September 2018 19: 47
        +2
        Quote: private person
        And have you probably already lined up for the S-500?

        It’s lined up .... just until we’ll sell the S-400 combat complexes, we won’t sell 500-ku. So, in the absence of Russian vodka, citizens, buy Port wassat
      2. private person
        private person 8 September 2018 22: 16
        -14
        Change the flag "patriot" and then bark, otherwise you will not be clear from which one you are. And if that yourself decide before calling others liberals.
        1. Laughtermaster
          Laughtermaster 9 September 2018 11: 58
          +1
          call others liberals.

          Modern liberals, by their immoral behavior, have spoiled their reputation so much that the very word "liberal" has become a curse, and everything started so well.
      3. helmi8
        helmi8 8 September 2018 23: 24
        +4
        Quote: Victor_B
        Almaz-Antey already made pans.

        I have a Sanyo food processor manufactured under license from NPO Energia. Purchased in 1998, it still works like a clock. Rocket men know how to make consumer goods ... wassat
    8. Bar1
      Bar1 8 September 2018 20: 00
      +3
      This is a scary system! In the USA "appreciated" the Russian S-500 air defense system
      Today, 18: 36


      how could they say so if no one has seen the c500 yet?
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 8 September 2018 20: 10
        +2
        Yenisei radars showed deployment videos at the training ground - as I understand it, a high-altitude detector, by analogy with the C-400 96L6Е. also 2 type of anti-missile 77Н6-Н and 77Н6-Н1 which warhead from them is fragmentation and kinetic without a clue. There was infa that ZUR 40N6M is an improved version of C-400, will be part of C-500
    9. shans2
      shans2 8 September 2018 20: 17
      +14
      how to distinguish an idiot on the website who is scribbling from the Ukrainian IPSO or from the kibbutz of Israel - traditionally screaming about pensions and the sewing of "missing" billions of cowards ...
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 8 September 2018 20: 32
        0
        Quote: shans2
        how to distinguish an idiot on the website who is scribbling from the Ukrainian IPSO or from the kibbutz of Israel - traditionally screaming about pensions and the sewing of "missing" billions of cowards ...

        best comment of the month ....
    10. d1975
      d1975 8 September 2018 20: 30
      0
      For this there is China and the Great Silk Road !!! fellow
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    12. Step
      Step 8 September 2018 22: 40
      +4
      Already produced. Titanium pans in the 90s. Have you eaten up?
      1. private person
        private person 9 September 2018 10: 07
        -3
        Shout louder Hurray !!!! And on occasion, I would buy a titanium grill, but there are none.
    13. konstantin68
      konstantin68 9 September 2018 08: 18
      +2
      Quote: private person
      I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?

      You have nothing to wear or nothing to cook, or maybe nothing to watch? Read books, everything will be more useful!
    14. Andrey Panov
      Andrey Panov 9 September 2018 08: 22
      +3
      Are you missing a washing machine? Or a TV in the toilet? What, what goods are in short supply? There's no such thing? Very bad, that means there are no jobs.
      1. private person
        private person 9 September 2018 10: 00
        -5
        "Not smart" are you, but whose washing machine and TV is made? I mean that it's time to raise the economy and agriculture and not live off the money from the sale of oil and gas, and even sell weapons.
        1. Yarhann
          Yarhann 9 September 2018 21: 45
          +2
          RB washer, refrigerator of the Russian Federation, TV set of the Russian Federation, RF machine, flat of the Russian Federation, microelectronics China, Taiwan (pipes, laptop, comp), gear assembled in China (import brands), shoes of the Russian Federation, small household appliances China, energy resources (benz, electricity) and water of the Russian Federation, grub mainly of the Russian Federation, medicines of the Russian Federation besides the services of a dentist (there are import drugs) there is still much to add - this is my sample list. Just please do not write about the localization of this dol .... zm already got in the 21st century of globalization.
    15. Yarhann
      Yarhann 9 September 2018 21: 35
      -1
      and we have that the deficit is observed as in a scoop or we are behind the iron curtain ...
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    17. trahterist
      trahterist 10 September 2018 13: 44
      +1
      There is a well-deserved minus for such a 'all-prophetic' saying.
      And the system ... is not yet in the series ... God grant that it falls into the air defense of the Russian Federation, then it will cover THAN
    18. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 10 September 2018 14: 22
      0
      Almost all consumer goods are produced in Russia. With varying degrees of localization.
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    1. LMN
      LMN 8 September 2018 18: 57
      +3
      Quote: For example
      All this together makes the S-500 a "terrible system".

      Carry on, bastards.

      Why are you so divided?) lol
      1. Examenatornick
        Examenatornick 8 September 2018 19: 28
        +5
        and then ... there is nothing adversaries Rus mother reel bully
    2. Masya masya
      Masya masya 8 September 2018 19: 19
      +6
      Quote: For example
      Carry on, bastards.

      just ... shiver more clearly! wink
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 8 September 2018 19: 28
        0
        If he "trembles more distinctly", then he will be thrown up and everyone will immediately see that he "jumped". laughing
      2. LMN
        LMN 8 September 2018 19: 37
        0
        Quote: Masya Masya
        Quote: For example
        Carry on, bastards.

        just ... shiver more clearly! wink

        He is from great love .. feel
        I understand him Yes
      3. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 September 2018 19: 59
        +1
        Quote: Masya Masya
        just ... shiver more clearly!

        That's it, otherwise the instruments get off. wink Disgrace, how can one work under such conditions? recourse
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 8 September 2018 19: 20
      -10
      These "bastards" ten years ago shot down a satellite from the ship at an altitude of more than 200 km. And modern SM-3, according to the information of the developers, fly 1500 km "up" and 2500 km "sideways". So why should they choke with envy?
      1. Jolly oldster sailor
        Jolly oldster sailor 8 September 2018 19: 23
        -6
        The namesake is not to them. Us. This will also affect you ... wink
      2. LMN
        LMN 8 September 2018 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        These "bastards" ten years ago shot down a satellite from the ship at an altitude of more than 200 km. And modern SM-3, according to the information of the developers, fly 1500 km "up" and 2500 km "sideways". So why should they choke with envy?

        Are you serious?
        These "bastards" ten years ago shot down a satellite from the ship at an altitude of more than 200 km.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 8 September 2018 20: 38
          -1
          Are you serious?

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193
      3. Sarmat Sanych
        Sarmat Sanych 8 September 2018 19: 44
        +11
        "Modern SM-3" has recently been pumping all the tests that can be done, you can't remember how many years ago there was at least one successful one, even with beacons they fail. And their speed characteristics are significantly inferior to ours, I am already silent about the price. So the four hundred (and then the S-500) are sales hits for decades, Turkey, China, Qatar, India, Saudi, then most likely Iraq, Algeria, Vietnam, the United Arab Emirates - in short, the Almaz-Anteyu contracts for tens of billions of dollars.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 September 2018 23: 49
          -4
          But with THAAD, everything with interceptions is excellent.
          1. SETTGF
            SETTGF 9 September 2018 19: 50
            0
            Vadim237! What is the probability of a THAAD system intercepting a maneuvering hypersonic target ?! Weak to count ?! Obviously - not great and not good! Therefore, do not write nonsense.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 10 September 2018 10: 18
              -1
              I wrote about conventional warheads. Maneuvering in service with no matter how.
              1. SETTGF
                SETTGF 10 September 2018 15: 25
                0
                Vadim237! A dagger can be considered in service (although this is a trial operation) - a hypersonic target ... It doesn’t matter what you call it, the main thing can be used against AUGs and not only. As the American generals put it at a hearing in the US Senate, there are no counteraction systems, only nuclear deterrence.
      4. shans2
        shans2 8 September 2018 20: 24
        -3
        even Dave Mujamar, a guest worker from India, couldn’t invent such a fantasy, and you could lol
      5. d1975
        d1975 8 September 2018 20: 32
        0
        Do not tell me what rubber was that knocking slingshot (hiding) wassat
      6. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 September 2018 21: 19
        +10
        Quote: Wiruz
        modern SM-3, according to the information of the developers, fly 1500 km "upward" and 2500 km "sideways".

        Tales for adults, of course, they are masters to tell. But you can’t deceive physics! Power engineers in those sizes (Aerojet's starting solid propellant rocket engine Mk.72 (length 1,7 m, weight 700 kg, including 457 kg fuel, 4 nozzles), marching 2 x operating solid propellant rocket engine Mk.104 (length 2,9 m, diameter 0,35 m , weight 500 kg, of which 377 kg is fuel), 3-th stage is also ATK’s solid propellant Mk.136 (engine operating time 30 sec.), which displays the kinetic interceptor outside the atmosphere - 100km), which the interceptor has - will not get out on 1,5 thousand km !!! Actually it turns out 500 km up and 700 km to the side. Alas, I did not find another.
      7. poquello
        poquello 9 September 2018 01: 47
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        These "bastards" ten years ago shot down a satellite from the ship at an altitude of more than 200 km.

        ) Chinese overtook
      8. Lena363
        Lena363 9 September 2018 16: 10
        +2
        A satellite was shot down at an altitude of 250 km!
  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 8 September 2018 18: 43
    +4
    This is a scary system!

    It's not the same for everybody. We are not afraid.
  4. Kasym
    Kasym 8 September 2018 18: 46
    +2
    If the defensive system is "terrible," how will the offensive be called? laughing
  5. svp67
    svp67 8 September 2018 18: 52
    +3
    recently who spoke not very flattering about the Russian S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, this time decided to write about the latest Russian development - the S-500 air defense system.
    They will speak about the S-500 in the same way, business and nothing personal ... And it would be time for Russia to demonstrate the capabilities of its new air defense systems in action ... to dot the "Y"
    1. Jolly oldster sailor
      Jolly oldster sailor 8 September 2018 18: 56
      -2
      [quote = svp67] [quote] business and nothing personal ... "[/ quote]
      Golden words. You are a golden man. hi
  6. ASG7
    ASG7 8 September 2018 18: 55
    +5
    Stages of development of the American "assessment" of Russian weapons:
    1. The most deadly and terrible ("give money to catch up")
    2. Good and requires careful study (the old budget has already been adopted, but the new one is still far)
    3. Very bad and worse than the American (they didn’t give money, but not everything is lost)
    4. This is a "fake" and they do not have it at all (all the "dough" will not be and you will have to praise (push) your old weapon)
    1. Examenatornick
      Examenatornick 8 September 2018 19: 05
      0
      estimates are given by different experts from real experts to political scientists and sofas. Political scientists, for example, also have a way of giving high-profile epithets. In discussions of wars and geopolitics, they need to say something small army of people. No one is interested in dry numbers and only TTX weapons. They like to discuss and learn something more. And the media loves to stretch what can be discussed in five minutes, so such estimates do not always mean that America’s military budget hints that it is small.
      1. For example
        For example 8 September 2018 22: 15
        -1
        Quote: Examenatornick
        estimates give ...

        Here you are pouring water master! good
    2. Larum
      Larum 10 September 2018 09: 23
      -1
      Ours also appreciate the Americans.
      An example - how they shouted that T 72-90 are out of date, give money urgently, and now - we’ll throw their caps over and they don’t really need Armata ...
  7. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 8 September 2018 19: 01
    +5
    These systems, they are like sports synchronized swimming in Russia. When you always know in advance that here we have guaranteed gold.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 September 2018 19: 21
      -2
      And swim yourself for gold is weak? Girls take away this gold from girls.
      1. Examenatornick
        Examenatornick 8 September 2018 19: 29
        +12
        we all have our own work takes away health. Everyone should do their own thing. And the question is strange for you. It's the same thing to ask you if you are poorly designed interstellar apparatus, or if you are weak on skiing in biathlon to get up to 50 years old and gold to win.
        1. LMN
          LMN 8 September 2018 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: Examenatornick
          we all have our own work takes away health. Everyone should do their own thing. And the question is strange for you. It's the same thing to ask you if you are poorly designed interstellar apparatus, or if you are weak on skiing in biathlon to get up to 50 years old and gold to win.

          It's just "Baba Yaga against" lol practically everything that adds the pluses of the Russian Federation is disputed Yes
  8. mvg
    mvg 8 September 2018 19: 05
    -4
    Air defense has never won a war. Even local conflicts. Protect the object with at least a dozen S-300/400/500 bombing it anyway, if necessary. And the cost of such a toy, as practice shows, is under a billion. Yes, she herself still needs to be covered.
    And about the oversized version, it is also unclear what kind of vessel to put it on! Not to frigates.
    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 8 September 2018 19: 50
      -1
      It is placed on frigates smartly. But the coolest thing is that 400 and 500/XNUMX, if necessary, will easily work as Iskander, so everything is in order. And the thing is gorgeous, it is not for nothing that Turks, Chinese and Indians buy it. Soon the Qataris and the Saudis will buy, a couple of tens of billions of dollars for our military-industrial complex are not superfluous.
      1. mvg
        mvg 8 September 2018 20: 08
        -3
        On frigates he is posed chicly

        Too shallow dish. 5k displacement of 22350 is not for him. And the larger ones do not build anything. He does not have time for Atlanta and Orlan.
        China bought for copy paste, the Indians still think that the Turks may refuse at the last moment. In Qatar, the American, French and Turkish bases, who will attack them? And the Saudis Patriots, who will give them to buy Russian air defense?
        PS: Do not greatly exaggerate the capabilities of air defense like anti-ship missiles or axes .. this is from hopelessness.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 8 September 2018 22: 07
          +4
          China will not be able to copy-paste, even theoretically, they did not even cope with the three hundred and the sky over Beijing is still guarded by our S-300s and not theirs blizzard. With regards to the Turks, a year ago they transferred 50% of the cost in real money in the form of an advance, and the Indians signed a contract for $ 6 billion a couple of months ago. QUESTIONS? As for the Saudis, this is precisely because they have feces called "Patriot", and they agreed to purchase 2017 S-4 divisions in 400. Everything is logical.
          1. mvg
            mvg 8 September 2018 22: 19
            -4
            transferred 50%

            Iran also transferred 800 million, returned .. According to the Gypsies - the tender for 126 MiGs was also considered winning, as a result, Rafali. They will threaten the Turks with sanctions, throw off money for the Patriots and bring them in. Or we’ll meet in Idlib .. or something else. Turks will not leave NATO.
            China has long made mines. S-300 and even surpassed. HQ-9A / B. And their nomenclature of air defense is healthy. They stole from both the USA and France.
            Saudis can be given at least S-1000, they still will not get.
            PS: And where, tell me, did the S-300/400 participate in a real battle? Who said it is more effective than a Patriot? Uriapatrioty? Soviet air defense in recent years, as it did not really look like. Little Israel crushed everything.
            P.S. S .:
            agreed in 2017 on the purchase of 4 S-400 divisions
            Until you set it, everything can be replayed; Russia for the Saudis is an empty place.
            1. poquello
              poquello 9 September 2018 02: 01
              +3
              Quote: mvg
              Who said it is more effective than a Patriot?

              the target hit ratio is displayed for firing, it doesn’t seem to apply to patriots because they fall under probability theory))))
            2. SETTGF
              SETTGF 9 September 2018 19: 41
              +1
              mvg! No need to write about what you don’t know and assume what cannot be ...
              1. mvg
                mvg 10 September 2018 15: 49
                -1
                to assume that which cannot be ...

                According to probability theory, there can be anything. What did I suggest that cannot be? That Turkey will not throw Russia the next 100th time? Is everything possible in Idlib? What Indians are just as unpredictable?
                What S-400 for KSA, what for a goat button accordion? Who is the kingdom going to fight with?
                To whom did the USSR / Russia from the US allies sell the S-300? Only Greece, so that was something to train Israel.
                PS: That's what our media and urapatriots suggest, wow, that usually doesn't come true!
                1. SETTGF
                  SETTGF 10 September 2018 16: 44
                  0
                  mvg! See above your statements - little Israel can not crush everything ... You suggested that there is no and cannot be ... this is your opinion and no more ... When using modern means of air defense and missile defense, Israel’s losses will increase exponentially . No wonder Netanyahu often flies to Moscow to agree about the S-300 ... According to the theory of probability, there can be everything, but with a certain degree of probability, but in reality it may not be at a low probability or a short time of an event ...
                  1. SETTGF
                    SETTGF 10 September 2018 16: 59
                    0
                    mvg! All that Israel is doing is developing tactics for using some means of countering air defense weapons, looking for means and opportunities to win under certain conditions - an example of the destruction of the "Pantsir-C1" when reloading, when the crew is discharged, instead of as you can quickly recharge the complex, did not even put it under the protection of other complexes and stood and smoked on the sidelines ... And from the video - "Pantsir-C1" could easily destroy the Israeli Spike, if it were not turned off and with ammunition ...
                  2. mvg
                    mvg 10 September 2018 17: 50
                    -1
                    maybe little Israel crush everything

                    Yes, as practice shows, maybe .. Yes, he does not compete militarily with Russia, but he is a hegemon at the BV theater. The most powerful and trained Air Force, infantry units, the most modern weapons, nuclear weapons, and the Navy.
                    No wonder Netanyahu often flies to Moscow to agree on the S-300

                    Did Benya tell you this? Yes, he may not need extra reinforcement of the country with which Israel is at war, but if necessary, Israel will demolish both the S-300 and S-400. Perhaps he will not ask the "elder brother" either, as it already happened in the 6-day war ..
                    Russia will not go to a vigorous conflict, and it has no other arguments in the BV. That contingent of the Aerospace Forces and the Navy is just a drop in the bucket.
                    PS: Well, we will sell the S-300 to Syria, well, Hel ha'Avir will lose another F-16I, but the result will be the destruction of the S-300 division and the loss of its reputation ... that this is not a panacea. Incomparable values, both in money and in reputation. This is if the division still has time to turn into a combat position.
                    1. SETTGF
                      SETTGF 10 September 2018 18: 36
                      0
                      mvg! You can demolish everything, but with what losses ?! And how the armament of Russia can be compared with the armament of Israel - babble! It’s not so easy to destroy the S-300B4 and S-400 from the air, together with the Shells, Torahs, Bukahs, and even more so with the grouping of ships of the Navy ... There will be very big consequences - Israel cease to exist and not only ... Therefore, one should not exaggerate what cannot be ... Moreover, one should not forget about the thermonuclear weapons of Russia - only ash will remain from Israel and its allies!
                      1. SETTGF
                        SETTGF 10 September 2018 18: 44
                        0
                        mvg! The S-300 division will not only have time to turn around and destroy all the targets ... Many air defense and missile defense systems have already been deployed there ... In the event of a conflict, Israeli planes may not even rise from their airfields and not only!
                      2. mvg
                        mvg 10 September 2018 18: 45
                        -1
                        about thermonuclear weapons of Russia - only ashes will remain from Israel and its allies!

                        Eugene, excuse me, how old are you? Yes, the Jews are a small country, it can be destroyed by nuclear weapons, but no one will go to unleashing World 3.
                        And how the armament of Russia can be compared with the armament of Israel - baby talk

                        You can compare everything, and the quality of weapons in Russia will not be in our favor in most cases. I mean quality. They have everything that Russia has, but not in such quantity. And there is also much that we don’t have.
                        And in the BV theater they have an overwhelming advantage over Russia, even plus CAA and IRGC.
                        According to the experience of suppressing air defense, Jews have no competitors in the world, and they have already met with Russians.
                        PS: We will not be able to transfer as many aircrafts as necessary to the BV in a short time, and no one will. No opportunities, no means. And you won't be full with "calibers" alone. And Israel also has ICBMs with nuclear warheads.
                    2. SETTGF
                      SETTGF 10 September 2018 19: 11
                      0
                      mvg! Are you Jewish?! Then you need to change the flag and not write nonsense! Read carefully what I have written above. You probably don't understand the meaning - then learn Russian ... As for the quality of Israel's air defense and missile defense weapons, this is a very dubious question and not in Israel's favor. About the F-35 - the same thing ... And about missiles with nuclear warheads - your next "nonsense" ... Judging by your statements - you are a simple sofa strategist and no more ...
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 10 September 2018 19: 39
                        -1
                        Israel's air defense and missile defense - a very dubious issue and not in favor of Israel

                        Read military materials carefully, when choosing between Israel and Russia, many people choose air defense / missile defense of Jews. ABM Jews are recognized by the United States and are developed jointly. We did not shoot down warheads in practice, we only declare this.
                        About F-35 - the same

                        Of course, it’s necessary to find so many fools to enter 3000+ shitty planes. Especially the Jews!
                        sofa strategist

                        There is much more visible from the sofa, but I studied rocket and anti-aircraft missiles more or less professionally, I have secret tolerances. And I also carefully read the history of conflicts.
                        PS: Judging by you, an ordinary urapatriot who thinks that everyone can throw his hats .. And then it starts.
                      2. SETTGF
                        SETTGF 10 September 2018 20: 21
                        0
                        mvg! Before writing a lie, you need to know and guess who is in front of you ... Judging by your comments, you just have no knowledge. I work in this area and I see that you cannot even understand the meaning. You are a liberal "hurray - not a patriot". The world is trying to acquire the S-400 complexes, and not
                        Israeli Dome and American Patriot ... lying is very ugly!
                        And as for the tolerances - I can have them too, ugly flaunting them - you have to flaunt in some sense knowledge that you don’t have, judging by your comments!
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 8 September 2018 19: 53
      +7
      Quote: mvg
      Air defense has never won a war

      Do not forget about what role air defense played in the battle for Moscow in 1941 - 1945.
      Secondly, Vietnam’s air defense played a huge role in causing the USA unacceptable damage and ending the war.
      There is a saying: It is impossible to win a war only with air defense, but without air defense any army is doomed to defeat.
      1. mvg
        mvg 8 September 2018 20: 19
        0
        without air defense, any army is doomed to defeat

        Did air defense help much in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria? When Israel needed it, it suppressed any air defense. There, they fly like at home, but I think we have a lot of money swelled into the Syrian air defense, in its restoration and modernization.
        But Vietnam without the USSR and the PRC would not have survived .. weapons flowed there. And small packs of Chinese instructors ... for a hundred thousand people. Unofficially, about 300 thousand.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 8 September 2018 20: 59
          +2
          Quote: mvg
          And small packs of Chinese instructors ... for a hundred thousand people. Unofficially, about 300 thousand.
          lol
          China and Vietnam have traditionally been at enmity with each other and now they do not have very warm relations. And 300 thousand is the approximate number of troops of the PRC that invaded Vietnam in 1979, the USSR supplied the armament to Vietnam, and therefore the advisers were Soviet there.
          1. mvg
            mvg 8 September 2018 21: 34
            -1
            China and Vietnam have traditionally been at war with each other

            Vitaly, can I give you a reference or will you find "participation of the PRC in the Vietnam War" by searching? No offense .. it was then that China's relations deteriorated, and before that there were two fraternal peoples.
            Moreover, Soviet weapons went to Vietnam through China by rail.
            Vicki writes about 320 thousand people for the whole rather big war ..
            And 300 thousand is the approximate number of troops of the PRC

            China talked about the 100 thousandth group ..
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 September 2018 00: 09
          0
          Only an integrated Air Defense System will be able to intercept 50% of attacking drones and missiles, if we estimate 24 GBU 39 bombs and 4 air-to-air missiles on one side on the carriers and the number of suspensions, it turns out that to intercept such an aircraft and its entire filling 54 anti-aircraft missiles - according to the standard, two anti-aircraft missiles per one, if 10 of such aircraft participate in the raid, then 540 anti-aircraft missiles will be required to intercept, you can’t put so many missiles in one area, which means that the air defense of the area will be guaranteed to be interrupted. The formula is as follows: the more the aircraft can bear the combat load and the less the elements of this load themselves, as well as the longer the flight range of these elements, the higher the probability of overcoming air defense and hitting targets, and the less likely the carrier to be damaged.
          1. poquello
            poquello 9 September 2018 02: 11
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            capable of intercepting 50% of attacking drones and missiles, if you estimate

            where is 50% from? ours are close to one, and more than half of all this seam will be removed by small cars, and if the planes try not to enter the affected area, they will throw everything out anywhere
            1. mvg
              mvg 9 September 2018 02: 32
              -1
              ours is close to unity

              which units? shooting down targets and modern weapons are two different things. Shell effectiveness in Syria is 19%. and Jews generally fly as they want.
              1. poquello
                poquello 9 September 2018 02: 41
                +3
                Quote: mvg
                ours is close to unity

                which units? shooting down targets and modern weapons are two different things. Shell effectiveness in Syria is 19%. and Jews generally fly as they want.

                the conversation was about comprehensive protection, read carefully, 19% - nonsense,
                generally Jews fly to the Kremlin while helping
              2. Andrey Panov
                Andrey Panov 9 September 2018 08: 42
                0
                With such percentages, Khmeimim must be wiped off the face of the Earth!
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 9 September 2018 12: 04
                  -1
                  And Hmeimim was attacked by fighter bombers and dozens of guided bombs?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 9 September 2018 14: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    And Hmeimim was attacked by fighter bombers and dozens of guided bombs?

                    Hmeimim was attacked by drones, about which they previously shouted that the shell does not see them, 19% in any case is rubbish and trepidation - this does not happen (in our case, anyway), well, of course, if you count in shells with coffee drinking aside, there while iron 0%
              3. SETTGF
                SETTGF 17 September 2018 05: 53
                0
                Mvd! You have a poor education and poor knowledge of higher mathematics! Kohl do not understand what units of conversation! What education do you have?!
          2. SETTGF
            SETTGF 9 September 2018 19: 59
            0
            Vadim237! It’s very bad for you with probability theory and mathematical statistics, and with the technical characteristics of the breakthrough elements of missile defense and air defense, as well as with the elements of missile defense and air defense - nothing ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 10 September 2018 10: 20
              -2
              And you see everything is overwhelming in this regard - challenge me the above.
          3. jonht
            jonht 10 September 2018 04: 43
            +1
            What do you think, yes ... And in the air defense forces, first of all, carriers, and then bombs and missiles, say. And accordingly, arithmetic is already different. And the range of the best planned bomb (and another question is whether it is a bomb, if there is a rocket engine) is 100-120 km. And precisely planning bombs up to 50 km, and even from a great height ....
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 10 September 2018 15: 13
              -2
              It’s very bad that they think so, the best bomb at the moment is the AGM 154 missile with a range of 560 kilometers in service with the U.S. Army of such bombs 30000
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 8 September 2018 20: 58
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Do not forget about what role air defense played in the battle for Moscow in 1941 - 1945.

        Eka you stretched the "battle for Moscow", right up to 1945?
        Regarding air defense. The main work was done by air defense fighters, not ground units.
    3. YUG64
      YUG64 8 September 2018 21: 28
      0
      Quote: mvg
      -1
      Air defense has never won a war
      Everything happens once for the first time ... The main law of life is not forgotten? Law of CHANGE ...
      1. mvg
        mvg 9 September 2018 00: 24
        -2
        Law of CHANGE ...

        I don’t believe in miracles since the time of Harry Potter ... Anti-aircraft defense is becoming increasingly difficult to intercept planes / rockets / drones .. A swarm of kamikanze drones cannot be stopped. They’ll kill the radar and break through. And our potential opponents have an overwhelming advantage in the air.
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2018 01: 52
          +2
          Quote: mvg
          A swarm of kamikanze drones cannot be stopped.

          enough duet for them
    4. poquello
      poquello 9 September 2018 01: 50
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      Air defense has never won a war.

      air defense has never been so developed
      1. mvg
        mvg 9 September 2018 02: 20
        -1
        air defense has never been so developed

        It was abruptly. Lebanon 1982. Waiting for the attack, prepared by Soviet specialists .. and the result is known. Radars will crush jammed, let out a bunch of rockets. Then crush it.
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2018 02: 25
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          air defense has never been so developed

          It was abruptly. Lebanon 1982. Waiting for the attack, prepared by Soviet specialists .. and the result is known. Radars will crush jammed, let out a bunch of rockets. Then crush it.

          what's cooler? you can still dance around the Syrian shell, yell that everything was gone
          1. mvg
            mvg 9 September 2018 03: 59
            -3
            The air defense concentration was crazy. At that time, very modern systems. Multilevel protection was developed by Soviet specialists. There were many instructors. As a result, they spread it in a few days.
            And now you think our Syrians are not helping? And there are our latest S-300B4 and S-400. A bomb literally 25 km from Tartus, 8 km from the presidential palace.
            Aviation is much more tactical than stationary / object-based air defense. The reactor was also not protected by children. Carried out.
            1. poquello
              poquello 9 September 2018 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: mvg
              The air defense concentration was crazy.

              the question is probably not in quantity but in quality, which means not modern, it makes no sense to talk about bourgeois aviation in Syria, because there is no task to bring them down, but it's a pity
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 September 2018 12: 15
          -4
          Now this is all the more achievable with the help of drones dummies and drones kamikaze. - 20 thousand such trifles will be released, air defense systems will use up all anti-aircraft missiles on them, and then the second wave of missiles and bombs and hello to all the calculations of air defense systems.
          1. poquello
            poquello 9 September 2018 17: 21
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now this is all the more achievable with the help of drones dummies and drones kamikaze. - 20 thousand such trifles will be released, air defense systems will use up all anti-aircraft missiles on them, and then the second wave of missiles and bombs and hello to all the calculations of air defense systems.

            air defense systems identify them and disassemble them by bones
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 September 2018 18: 02
              -1
              How's that - get knocked down?
              1. poquello
                poquello 9 September 2018 22: 55
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                How's that - get knocked down?

                knocked down, planted by a reb, sent back))), what's the difference, you don’t have to think that they will fly from 300-500 to frivolous targets, everything is fine with our air defense with the difference of small drones from tomahawks and fy-planes
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 10 September 2018 00: 39
                  -4
                  Do you know that in the USA I’m doing homing heads for GBU 39 bombs - guidance on sources of interference from electronic warfare. Air defense during a massive raid - in any case, it will be broken through, at least Russian, at least some.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 10 September 2018 00: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Do you know that in the USA I’m doing homing heads for GBU 39 bombs - guidance on sources of interference from electronic warfare. Air defense during a massive raid - in any case, it will be broken through, at least Russian, at least some.

                    in, here, following the source of interference, they will fly back to them, it's a pity not far - the glider is short, which one? except for the rest of the Russian Federation air defense no
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 10 September 2018 10: 22
                      -2
                      Yes, they will not fly, the guidance will be on the interference to the source.
    5. bolt
      bolt 9 September 2018 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: mvg
      Air defense has never won a war ...

      Wrong.
      Already won.

      North Vietnam won the war with the United States exclusively by air defense systems.
      Let me remind you. The Americans decided to drive them "into the Stone Age" (American expression). For several years, up to 60% of US strategic aviation and 40% of tactical aviation took part in the bombing.
      How did it end? They lost over 2000 (!!!) aircraft and offered peace to Vietnam. Yourself!

      Air defense systems are a strategic factor. Air defense does not just "win" wars. It makes it impossible to unleash them because the so-called "modern war" is based on total superiority "in the air."

      Please note, any country can buy any weaponry, including aircraft and ships. By and large, nobody cares. Without air defense, these are just "targets in the shooting range".

      But as soon as information appears only about the possibility of any country buying a developed air defense system that is not controlled by the United States, the West cries at once about trying to break the geostrategic balance in a particular region of the world.
      Examples?
      The reaction of Turkey to the purchase of Cyprus (!) S-300.
      Israel - on the possible appearance of the S-400 among the Syrians.
      The arrival of the Americans in the Turks because of the same reason.
      An attempt by the Americans to put pressure on India on the same issue ...
      You can continue to continue.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 September 2018 15: 26
        -5
        They lost 4500 aircraft. But now it’s not Vietnam, it’s armed with new missiles, satellite guidance systems, long-range bombs, shock drones and kamikaze drones, cruise missiles.
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2018 17: 22
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          They lost 4500 aircraft. But now it’s not Vietnam, it’s armed with new missiles, satellite guidance systems, long-range bombs, shock drones and kamikaze drones, cruise missiles.

          oh yes, that Vietnam they would have won with their current weapons)))))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 September 2018 18: 03
            -3
            Air defense would definitely win.
  9. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 8 September 2018 19: 12
    +3
    The C 900 system was tested last night. wassat ! The first rocket smashed the brain of the editor of the tabloid the National Interest wassat having destroyed one of the parallel measurements! !! crying belay
  10. serge siberian
    serge siberian 8 September 2018 19: 13
    +1
    Well, "we'll see." But in general, let them praise and know that if they get faq, they'll get it. But honestly, the desire to look at what the result of the application is drowning, we may not see everything. hi
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 8 September 2018 21: 00
      -3
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      But overall let them praise

      It’s not necessary to praise oneself much. Only true patriots believe that the National Interes represents the United States ...
  11. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 8 September 2018 19: 18
    +4
    makes the S-500 a "scary system"


    Translation from American into Russian: "Give us more money for the development of the American military-industrial complex"!
  12. Imper
    Imper 8 September 2018 19: 22
    +4
    What do the National Interest articles about our defense developments keep rushing about all the time? The product is not yet in the iron, and they describe its effectiveness, often complementaryly, although not always of course, but in my opinion, they lobby more for the interests of US military companies, describing threats from Russian weapons, than give an objective assessment.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 8 September 2018 20: 23
      +2
      Quote: Imper
      The product is not yet in the iron

      request You obviously overslept something important, Yes follow the link and you will receive news "SAM C-500 "Prometheus" went into the series "
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 8 September 2018 20: 54
        -8
        Quote: Tersky
        You obviously overslept something important,

        C500 does not exist, it's all wet dreams.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 8 September 2018 22: 09
          +3
          Sleep on, five hundred has been tested for two years
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 8 September 2018 22: 18
          +2
          Quote: Puncher
          C500 does not exist, it's all wet dreams.

          According to the official position, Russia doesn’t have much, Yes
    2. shans2
      shans2 8 September 2018 20: 30
      +3
      since the days of the USSR, air defense has traditionally been on alert combat duty for 1.5-2 years, before it is officially accepted for service, it was the same with the S-75, which shot down the U-2 ... S-500 from December 16th to combat pilot ...
    3. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 8 September 2018 21: 02
      -2
      Quote: Imper
      What are all the time worn with articles by National Interest

      The costs of the National Interest need to be worked out.
  13. tTshka
    tTshka 8 September 2018 19: 38
    0
    Characteristics are impressive ... but this is only the declassified part good
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 8 September 2018 20: 11
    0
    It is enough to teach the S-500 to recognize and bring down all the vaunted American F-22s, F-35s, so that mourning would be declared in the USA.
  15. Samara_63
    Samara_63 8 September 2018 20: 30
    0
    Yes, we have the best air defense in the world, but only it is really covered as I understand it, only Moscow ...
  16. Mauricio
    Mauricio 8 September 2018 20: 34
    -2
    As soon as the title starts to stink of yellowness, you can immediately guess what it is This publication ...
    American magazine The National Interest

    only "American" it can be called sooo big optimists laughing
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 8 September 2018 21: 04
      -3
      Quote: Mauricio
      only "American" it can be called sooo big optimists

      Patriots live in a made-up world and the government does everything for this world to exist, for the sake of this they do not spare money.
  17. HMR333
    HMR333 8 September 2018 22: 32
    0
    I suppose that the S-500 will be with two missiles of a larger caliber than the S-400, hence the speed of altitude and range! the experience of such missiles is mine-based type A!
  18. UMA-UMA
    UMA-UMA 8 September 2018 23: 23
    -3
    Everything as usual - has no analogs in the world. Yeah, su 57 is simply nowhere to go - all units are rearmed, 160 as many as 17 pieces. We’ll build 2 s500 (only 2 money) and NATO will be frightened of horror and enter the society of young people.
  19. Waldemar
    Waldemar 9 September 2018 02: 02
    +2
    Forgive me, but that c400 cannot detect and knock down f22 and 35. In my opinion, that's what they did. In my opinion this is some kind of nonsense. judging by the maneuvers, they are already "scary" from 400
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 September 2018 02: 46
      0
      Quote: Valdemar
      Forgive me, but that c400 cannot detect and knock down f22 and 35. In my opinion, that's what they did. In my opinion this is some kind of nonsense. judging by the maneuvers, they are already "scary" from 400

      maybe, but they have already yelled so much that there’s no c400 that is somehow uncomfortable in return
    2. UMA-UMA
      UMA-UMA 9 September 2018 13: 37
      -3
      Well yes. It’s so scary that they are bombing in Syria and doing what they want. With 400 it can probably bring down, but the Russian Federation is afraid to do it.
  20. Aibolit
    Aibolit 9 September 2018 02: 22
    +2
    The National Interest- believe ... disrespect yourself.
    Dave alone is worth something: there is nowhere to put a seal, prostitute, cleaner than our "clowns"
  21. high
    high 9 September 2018 08: 51
    -1
    In the West, another point of view prevails if Russia does not produce high-tech equipment: mobile phones, computers, cars, modern airplanes, medical equipment, equipment for oil and gas production ....... can Russia produce high-tech weapons?
  22. renics
    renics 9 September 2018 09: 08
    +1
    An article posted on nationalinterest.org entitled (Russia's S-500 Air Defense System: An F-35, F-22 or B-1 Bomber Killer?) With the subtitle (We have all the details): https: // nationalinterest. org / blog / the-buzz / russias-s-500-air-defense-system-f-35-f-22-or-b-1-bomber-26216 # comment-3938922533. Air defense system of Russia S-500: F-35, F-22 or B-1 means to destroy bombers? We have all the details. It is presented not in such a rosy light as the nameless translator presented here and the words terrible are completely absent there.
    1. GRF
      GRF 10 September 2018 04: 55
      0
      What about your fearsome?
  23. demo
    demo 9 September 2018 11: 24
    -2
    In their material on the S-500, the authors state that the new Russian anti-aircraft missile system is capable not only of hitting ballistic missiles and satellites, but can also fight stealth aircraft, including the F-22 and F-35.
    Here they got sick of their "invisibility".
    They don’t see in this range, but they see quite clearly in another.
    One station does not see, but three, correctly placed, see.
    Americans are victims of their own arrogance, arrogance and self-confidence, abundantly flavored with the results of a low level of education.
    A foolish person is easier to convince of his own infallibility than educated.
  24. demo
    demo 9 September 2018 11: 27
    -4
    Quote: Samara_63
    Yes, we have the best air defense in the world, but only it is really covered as I understand it, only Moscow ...

    And you wanted to cover Muhos.r.a.s. or Kryzhopl ?! hi
  25. demo
    demo 9 September 2018 11: 38
    -4
    I will not say anything about what I do not understand.
    There is a system - good.
    The most - the most - wonderful.
    To be afraid is excellent.
    But there are certain doubts about our "self".
    Look at the picture.

    Photo taken at UEC - United Engine Corporation - judging by the inscription on the stand.
    Obviously, the picture was taken for public viewing.
    Now zoom in and look at the nearest right wheel.
    See a curved rim?
    Well, how do you like this presentation?
    What whole carts are out of stock or have you forgotten how to keep a hammer-sledgehammer?
    So our "dances with tambourines" are already beginning to annoy and push us into gloomy thoughts that most likely under such conditions we have nothing to brag about.
    It's not convenient to write about a hole in the Soyuz building.
    Here so, what is pop, such is the parish.
    And the pop is Rogozin.
  26. Seryozha Timofeev
    Seryozha Timofeev 9 September 2018 14: 17
    0
    Quote: private person
    And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?

    Good comment! Pretty boy! After all, it’s true - everything for the army is the height of perfection, as for civilians - so are buckets of nuts (our "favorite" car industry, which has not yet died in Bose)
  27. Lena363
    Lena363 9 September 2018 16: 08
    -2
    Again, other people's praise, and about anything. The point is that they hit the target for 500 km! But what about group goals, and even with real opposition and interference? And add false goals! Then the S-500 and others will choke with reloading their missiles, even if they are a super-duper with a 100% hit. Well, consider the US anti-radar missiles, which previously try to dazzle air defense systems.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 September 2018 18: 05
      -3
      Those that will be at the forefront will not have time to recharge.
    2. SETTGF
      SETTGF 9 September 2018 20: 13
      +1
      Lena363! Don't write nonsense ... like juvenile couch strategists! I wonder how you will overwhelm with interference and what - S-400 and S-500? And how do you "blind" the air defense systems of Russia with anti-radar missiles ?! And what is the range of anti-radar missiles ?! For a start - finish school, and learn materiel ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 September 2018 00: 52
        -3
        Several thousand drones of jammers will be launched - all air defense systems, 110 kilometers from the border, will be destroyed by kamikaze drones and GBU 39 bombs - which can now work on electronic warfare systems - guidance on interference. One F 15 can take on board 24 such bombs; there are not enough 300 shells to fight such a trifle - for the whole of Russia. Yes, it’s not a fact whether the Shell will be able to bring down bombs and drones with an ESR of 0,015 meters squared. The enemy should not be underestimated, and our air defense should be overestimated.
        1. SETTGF
          SETTGF 10 September 2018 01: 41
          0
          Vadim237! As always - nonsense and not only! ... You don't understand so much in radio engineering, radar, physics that it becomes "uncomfortable" ... First, imagine how much power of the drone's jammer is needed to create a jamming signal level at a distance 400 km (or 100 km) - the maximum range of the S-300V4, S-400 ... and, accordingly, the power source power, and accordingly the dimensions of the drone ... Imagine how you can put the above complexes with phased antenna arrays, interference - when they have so many protective devices against this - it's simply unrealistic ... All your drones and kamikaze drones will be shot down - for example, Syria ... The Pantsir-S2 air defense system will easily detect targets with an image intensifier equal to 0,0002 sq. m at a distance less than 3,6 km and will destroy - as in Syria ... And we must not forget that gliding bombs - GBU-39 cannot fly from a low altitude, which means that the F-15 must be dropped from a height of several kilometers, where it will be detected SAM much earlier than the level of radio gorizo nta and shot down ... And yet - Russia has many other air defense systems that can easily shoot down the above bombs, except for the S-300, S-400, S-500 ... And there is no need to panic here!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 10 September 2018 11: 07
            -2
            Unfortunately, the United States has such unmanned jammers, one of them MALD J is capable of confusing enemy air defenses, “simulating radar signatures. Flight range, km 500 - 926 Weight, kg 136 - 140. Simulates up to 140 fighters - you see, the guys know physics and radar better than you
            "All your drones and kamikaze drones will be shot down" - What? "Armor" like "Torov" for the whole of Russia - 17 million square kilometers, only 400 pieces, Bukov, S 300, S 400 missiles will not spend on small things - or they will be stupid, they will release all their ammunition at them while they are reloading, all strategic objects located on the border will be destroyed, fighters will not interfere with the release of bombs and missiles without entering the border of the air defense zone and at the expense of "Will be shot down" - here the probability is 50 to 50, since fighter bombers also have electronic warfare systems and air-to-air missiles to destroy anti-aircraft missiles flying towards the meeting. The results of all this - Russia has few complexes capable of intercepting a massive raid, using mini drones and low-caliber guided bombs - this is not Syria for you, with handicraft knee-mounted drones, no matter what they say, but military aviation is the most powerful combat means of destruction and fend off this threat with using a super attack on air defense will not work, since the combat load is growing and the nomenclature is expanding.
            1. SETTGF
              SETTGF 10 September 2018 11: 56
              +1
              Vadim 237! Read carefully what I wrote to you above about drones ...
              “But, as you know, each system has its own serious flaws, and MALD-J is no exception.
              Radiation warning stations of modern Russian front-line aviation, as well as passive systems of long-range air defense systems of the S-300 type and such RER stations as Valeria, have a computerized database of various types of radiation (frequency and intensity) of different radars of NATO aviation. And no matter what radio countermeasures the MALD-J possesses, the diameter of its fuselage will not allow placing anything similar on the radiation of the AN / APG-81 radar on a small board.

              It is impossible to integrate target missiles into the "iron" and such a powerful source of power supply to power a similarly powerful emitter. Naturally, even looking at this fact, even though the Chinese, even though our RTVs are able to distinguish this "bait" from a real fighter: a multipurpose fighter cannot but use its own radar while surrounded by enemy aircraft. "
              1. SETTGF
                SETTGF 10 September 2018 12: 12
                +1
                Vadim 237! Continuation:
                "So the statement of the Raytheon company about the possibility of full-fledged imitation of fighter aircraft with the help of MALD-J can be considered as one of the elements of Western military-technical propaganda, or a myth that will be partially debunked at the very first use of this missile - a target in combat conditions against such an air defense system as the S-400, as well as modern domestic complexes of passive RER.

                But, stipulating the capabilities of this target missile in the false simulation of JASSM cruise missiles, it is worth noting higher combat capabilities compared to fighter simulations, since, like the KR, the MALD-J does not carry a powerful airborne radar and has many similarities with a cruise missile, including a speed of 850 km / h and a small radar signature. With the enemy organizing powerful electronic countermeasures, it will be much more difficult for our SAM and radar detectors to distinguish a fake missile from a real high-precision air attack weapon that poses a real threat.

                In this case, ancillary surveillance tools operating in the infrared and television channels of sight can make a good service. So ZRAK “Shell-C1”, “Tor-M1”, “Tunguska” and “Gyurza” have, in addition to the RLS and RPN, a duplicating optical-electronic system in the armament control complex, which also has TV and IR channels for targeting .

                The shell-and-steel complex of the Pantsir-C1 complex has an index 10ES1-E and is capable of passively detecting an ALCM cruise missile at a distance of up to 14 km, the AGM-86 rocket engine has a thrust of about 300 kg and has a much larger IR signature than the engine MALD-J or AGM-158 missiles, the transverse dimensions in the optical TV range are also no less than 2 times smaller than those of combat cruise missiles. Therefore, it is absolutely logical that with the help of optical backup systems, recognition of a target missile by its main differences will be simpler and quicker to perform than an analysis of radar systems.

                The much-praised MALD-J bait missile, but even such a radical approach puts an operation to suppress the enemy’s air defense is a big question when the RPN 92N6E of the S-400 system turns on and in the night abyss on the ground, “Seeing” CPTR hides at unknown points “Tamara” and “Armor”, operating in the thermal imaging channel, and transmitting to PBU XNUMX all information received from the MALD-J telemetry systems, which will give out the true purpose of the rocket.

                And therefore, it is not entirely clear such ardent boasting of the Rayteon company about the MALD-J product, which, given the introduction of high-performance computers, passive RTR and SPO means, as well as additional optical observation systems into the radar industry, does not give strike The US has an overwhelming advantage, especially when used against superpowers such as Russia and China. "
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2018 23: 16
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      "To the point that hit the target for 500 km!" //////
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      The S-500 is designed to bring down satellites from low orbits.
      For everything else, this range is redundant.
      1. SETTGF
        SETTGF 10 September 2018 01: 51
        +2
        voyaka uh! Don't wishful thinking! And you will shoot down the E-3A Sentry AWACS system at what distance, and hypersonic targets, medium and long-range ballistic missiles ?! Therefore, you are fundamentally wrong ...
  28. Yujiko
    Yujiko 10 September 2018 04: 33
    +1
    Quote: private person
    And have you probably already lined up for C-500? If so then on the way C-600, etc. I wonder when will we start to produce consumer goods?


    United States Department of Defense - Endorses your position.
  29. Yujiko
    Yujiko 10 September 2018 04: 37
    +1
    Quote: GibSoN
    I understand that there is a significant part of nationalists (for the most part prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation!)

    Nationalism from the English. - nationalism is a term that has come into use to denote people's commitment to the interests of their nation in a positive, broad sense.

    Nationalism does not preach enmity and hatred of representatives of other nations and peoples, but political independence and work for the benefit of their own people. A closely related concept is patriotism.
    Related to this concept are such concepts as “national values”, “national interests”, “national security”, “national independence”, “national identity”, etc.

    Thus, you see that, based on the definition and its very essence, nationalism does not imply any actions aimed at humiliating any groups or individuals, restricting their rights and / or freedoms.

    T. about. nationalism is not a violation of any laws and, accordingly, cannot be prosecuted by law. https://otvet.mail.ru/question/16115421
  30. Larum
    Larum 10 September 2018 09: 33
    -1
    Believe NI Pushkova - do not respect yourself.
    With 500 should be good, just because 500. But!
    Price and quantity. How many really new Su 57, Armat, Black sharks, terminators, etc. are there? But they have gone 3rd generation ....

    And cartoons (and even with lies) are able to show everything
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 September 2018 15: 19
      -2
      10 divisions around Moscow, at a price of 30 billion rubles per division.