What is the defense, when instead of factories shopping centers

SPEC channel continues to publish video materials, which contain the opinions of retired military and political figures about the state of the Armed Forces of Russia. In the next video on this topic, the opinion of Viktor Alksnis (retired colonel), who at one time was a deputy of the State Duma of Russia of the III and IV convocations, is presented.

According to Alksnis, many today misinterpret the state of affairs in the Russian army, declaring its rebirth. He argues that the revival of the combat potential of the army is impossible without a strong defense industry.

Alksnis:

No one will argue that we have carried out reindustrialization, hundreds and thousands of factories are working around the clock, releasing Tanks, missile planes, and that we can destroy an adversary in a matter of minutes.

According to Alksnis, there is practically no defense industry in Russia today. On the site of factories in many cities, shopping and office centers are open. At the moment, Russian enterprises are able to produce no more than 20% components for electronic equipment.

Alksnis:

We often do not know that in those chips that we bought and bought abroad, in the West. What are the "bookmarks" there are.

Alksnis states that foreign components are practically everywhere on Russian military equipment, and no one knows what a surprise they can give in the case of real hostilities.

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Comments

[Tatyana]

Alksnis states that foreign components are practically everywhere on Russian military equipment, and no one knows what a surprise they can give in the case of real hostilities.

Anyone who worked at military factories knows very well what a "surprise" foreign components can present, especially during the war! You don't even need a big mind here. The Soviet defense industry has always strived for self-sufficiency.
Well, here, for example, Why did the Chinese defense industry manufacturers use and use the experience of the Soviet military-industrial complex and categorically evade the use of foreign components on their military equipment?
Because:
1. There are fewer liberoid traitors to their country in the PRC in power "from top" to "bottom". than in Russia. There, corrupt officials, "idiots" are simply shot by thousands!
2. In the PRC, there are no "top" people with dual or more citizenship, as well as their pro-Western lobbyists.
3. The Chinese have studied and are learning from strangers - Russian - mistakes and do not commit their own.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

mmmda ... the ruins of the RMZ defense plant can be seen from my window ... the city-forming plant was ... and the RNZ was also ... it was ... and the RKhZ was also ... the "privatizers" and "optimizers" did a good job ...

[Iline]

The Saratov Aviation Plant was also famously privatized and destroyed. And once produced the Yak-38 and from the civilian Yak-40, 42

[Vadim237]

He became bankrupt due to the fact that no one bought the Yak 42 - he was engaged in repairs, but this is not enough for payback.

[Lena363]

And up to 30 thousand people worked there! But then there were orders from China for the Yak-42 and in large quantities

[Vadim237]

The Chinese see no longer ordering.

[Lena363]

You shouldn't be ironic. Naturally, when the "Combine" began to pull rubber with contracts, I had to spread to the Boeings.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lena363

You shouldn't be ironic. Naturally, when the "Combine" began to pull rubber with contracts, I had to spread to the Boeings.

He is not ironic, but speaks about the facts that are available to everyone on the Internet, look at the segment of the PRC aircraft, which is dominated by better-quality aircraft of a foreign manufacturer compared to the Yak-42 (and other our aircraft) ...

[EvilLion]

Yeah, but the "Irkut" produced the Su-27 and nobody destroyed it. Probably because the Su-27 is a thing, and the Yak-38 is not needed by anyone, like the Yak-40.

[VIT101]

Quote: EvilLion

Yeah, but the "Irkut" produced the Su-27 and nobody destroyed it. Probably because the Su-27 is a thing, and the Yak-38 is not needed by anyone, like the Yak-40.

Judging by your post, you are a person far from aviation and it is not for you to judge what the country needs and what does not.

[Forestol]

They threw them upstairs, took them offshore, became deputies and teach us how to live, stamping laws？ So across Russia.

[Bar1]

the fact that import is on our products, especially electronics, is known to everyone, everything is against, except for the government and the Moscow region, which maintain this order. During the oil and gas money rain since 2000, you could just buy several komputerof factories and everything would be different, but Putin with comrades need it? For him, the main rating is 70% and pension reform for the people.
We have already taken this camaz taiFunyonok on which almost everything is not ours, so why do this? The mess is going on above, what the hell.

[Vadim237]

And even if the import is on electronics, Ruselectronics is starting to do the same in Russia, and import is mainly from Taiwan.

[EvilLion]

Baby, do you even know that without much direct permission, you don’t solder an imported resistor to the electronics? Because it is forbidden.

[Vladimir 5]

Different components are, in electronics, some basically safe (like passive radioelements), others extremely dangerous (like chip and stuff ..) in Russia, in today's device and government, it’s not possible to reach a self-sufficient level, therefore cooperate with allies, China ... But the first thing to expel the fifth liberal selling column from the government, which today is almost impossible. The same government has been ruining the country for decades and there are no consequences for it, for it is deplorable for the state ...

[tihonmarine]

The Chinese also did "perestroika" according to their minds, and we, according to Chernomyrdin, "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tatiana

Anyone who worked at military factories knows very well what a "surprise" foreign components can present, especially during the war! You don't even need a big mind here. The Soviet defense industry has always strived for self-sufficiency.

Well, that's why, for example, ALL BDK of the Soviet Navy were built at the shipyards of the GDR and Poland, since then we have built ONE "Ivan Gren" ...
And the "training desk" for our pilots is still mostly L-39 ...

Why did the Chinese defense industry manufacturers use and are using the experience of the Soviet military-industrial complex and are categorically evading the use of foreign components on their military equipment?

Can be more? The Chinese NORINCO would be very pleased with its successes if you heard ...

[Forestol]

What can we talk about if, during the construction of the Evropeisky shopping center in Moscow, on the Kievsky railway station square, the metro station burst in half, I observed a crack in the dubing lining for several months, at the same time the FSB warned the media that there was a warning in the media （！） that the construction will lead to a man-made disaster ... But the owners, and these are Mountain Jews partners, the Year of Nisanov, Telman Ismailov, Yakub Yakubov, everything was in no way, they successfully rebuilt the shopping center and created a Permanent Station for Ethnic Crime Groups in the Caucasus in Moscow. No one will remember that the development of the square was forbidden by the Glavmosarchitecture, etc. ... they gave grandmas, everyone shut up. There are hundreds of cases when ethnic gangs slaughtered passers-by in broad daylight ... Ismailov calmly dumped Cherkizon over a hill, and the rest do business in Russia without problems. And the former old man Baturin！ Working as the mayor of Moscow, he decided with the authorities to completely transfer all the best defense enterprises out of Moscow. And the huge Sukhoi complex, after taking away tses, warehouses, the airfield from which repair factory crews flew under the USSR, ceased to exist, tell me which skilled workers and scientists will go to live and work in the village of Lukhovitsy？ So our power is the power of grocers and cardinals. Unfortunately, the end will be the same. hi Buanosier！

[tihonmarine]

Very sad, but true.

[Forestol]

When the president of Russia was DAM, various sources reported that many strategic enterprises were destroyed under his signature, and his business lives on. For example, who remembers, there was a transfer of a strategic enterprise in Akhtubinsk for the production of rocket shells to Gazprom？ It is poor for him that he doesn’t know that all the best practices, experience, cannot just be transferred to Kirov, where Kamennvy Flower still doesn’t go out！

[Vadim237]

Please provide a list of these destroyed - otherwise I can't believe in any "various sources"

[Bar1]

Quote: Vadim237

Please provide a list of these destroyed - otherwise I can't believe in any "various sources"

Volgograd Tractor Plant, the pride of the Soviet Union.


you don’t see anything, you only see how pin_ dos to the moon fly.

[Vadim237]

Now Rostelmash is engaged in the production of the lion's share of tractors and combines, part of the remaining tractor Volgograd plant is working for defense, two months ago it supplied plain bearings, this plant has depreciated 85%, and it went bankrupt back in the 90s and Medvedev had nothing to do with it . I see a lot of things - as I am in the field and throughout Russia.

[Bar1]

Quote: Vadim237

Now Rostelmash is engaged in the production of the lion's share of tractors and combines,

harvesters, but not tractors.

Quote: Vadim237

this plant has a depreciation of fixed assets of 85%, and it became bankrupt in the 90s and Medvedev had nothing to do with it.

but at the dad all the plants are working and new models are constantly being issued, this is the owner, not like your bear.

[Vadim237]

Batka now has only one plant that really makes a profit - it is called contraband from Europe under the brand "Production Belarus".

[Bar1]

again by, why would MZT do so much at a loss? Belarus, unlike you do not lie.

Quote: Vadim237

Batka now has only one plant that really makes a profit - it is called contraband from Europe under the brand "Production Belarus".

The current MTZ price list contains 105 tractor models created on the basis of 18 basic models with a capacity of 9 to 355 horsepower.
Source: https://tractorreview.ru/traktora/kolesnyie-traktora/mtz/traktora-mtz-modelnyiy-ryad.html

[_Sergei_]

Here, at least in some places, the sites have been cleared, and the Altai Tractor Tractor is in ruins. It’s scary to pass, it can fill up.

[Bar1]

Quote: _Sergey_

Here, at least in some places, the sites have been cleared, and the Altai Tractor Tractor is in ruins. It’s scary to pass, it can fill up.

To count the number of Putin’s oligarchs and all the hats that they stole from the people of Russia, you could not only support everything, all the plants, then you could develop yourself ahead of the rest, but this team of Putin spoils everything and it’s not possible to smoke.

[APASUS]

The news fits perfectly into the modern economic course of Russia’s development, all the more so already .......... joined the liberals, and there the haberdasherman produces the main values ​​in the country!
So everything is OK!

[stalkerwalker]

Well, right in Zyuganov's way, "Give guns instead of butter!"
"The defense is still more alive than all the living!"
And if they shut down a hundred or two enterprises, then there were unprofitable enterprises that produced products either using technologies from the times of "DiP", or unclaimed by the market, which, I recall, collapsed with the collapse of the USSR.
And let me remind you how at the end of the 80s we dreamed of counters full of all sorts of different varieties of sausage. "Are you full?"

[slavaseven]

On the site of factories in many cities, shopping and entertainment centers and office centers are open.

One-sided look. The plants are old, empty. require modernization, complete restructuring. Who and on what cones will rebuild and modernize the plant? Money will be needed in the sea, the products of the plant will have to be sold somewhere.
You know the saddest thing - the media are silent about new plants.

[nickname7]

At the same time, the plant’s products will have to be sold somewhere.

It’s so easy to get products, for example, a large construction site - the Crimean bridge, requires a large amount of equipment, but it’s a bad luck, they buy equipment abroad, and their plants go bankrupt.

[Lena363]

This is especially true of electronic components, which in a year must be produced by millions of pieces for their payback. Naturally, no country needs such an amount, which means it needs export. And the markets are all busy.

[Altona]

Quote: Bar1

During the oil and gas money rain since 2000, you could just buy several komputerof factories and everything would be your own, but does Putin need a comrade?

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To buy factories, and then to steer them, you need brains that are not there from the word at all, then you need to invest more money in development and research. And with the shopping center, everything is simple, the Tajiks will lash it over the quarter and then only cut the coupons, don’t think about anything. Look at Zhores Alferov on Youtube, he talked about it to Putin.

PS There is a whole series of videos, see all the parts.

[Bar1]

Quote: Altona

To buy factories, and even then they need to steer their brains, which are not there from the word at all,

where is it "not at all" in Russia, or what? No need to drive, Russia is a supplier of the BEST scientific and engineering personnel for the whole world. For example, Pentkovsky, who created Pentium, and there are many of them.

[Altona]

Quote: Bar1

where is it "not at all" in Russia, or what? No need to drive, Russia is a supplier of the BEST scientific and engineering personnel for the whole world. For example, Pentkovsky, who created Pentium, and there are many of them.

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We are talking about those who make decisions in power. You didn't understand the context, did you? Or are you making yourself "patriotic"? I am generally surprised by "patriots" like you, who come and begin to "treat" me, as if I do not know about Pentakovsky, Zaltsman, Kotin, I can cite a bunch of names.

[Altona]

Quote: Bar1

when you say ambiguities, you need to be sure that you will be understood correctly, otherwise you can get it in your ear ...

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You are more careful here with threats, otherwise you will get it on your ears. I write in the context of a quote that is on top. You must be able to read and understand. You mentioned Putin's comrades. They told you about Putin. If I mentioned Zhores Alferov, then probably not just like that.

[ZAS]

The whiners have already pulled up !!!! Only you can cry on the Internet !!! Everything is bad, everything is lost, we are again ... deceived !!! Putin is Putin ... What have you personally done for the good of our country? Create a party alternative to EP ... Carry the masses with you .... Make your way to the State Duma, Pass laws, make a country with a powerful economy, a powerful social sphere ..... And so it’s blah, blah, blah .... .. Isn’t it embarrassing to incognito polemic while sitting at home on the couch?

[Bar1]

Quote: WAS

The whiners have already pulled up !!!! Only you can cry on the Internet !!! Everything is bad, everything is lost, we are again ... deceived !!! Putin is Putin ... What have you personally done for the good of our country? Create a party alternative to EP ... Carry the masses with you .... Make your way to the State Duma, Pass laws, make a country with a powerful economy, a powerful social sphere ..... And so it’s blah, blah, blah .... .. Isn’t it embarrassing to incognito polemic while sitting at home on the couch?

hi ministry of truth, such a technique we know from

[Lara Croft]

Quote: WAS

The whiners have already pulled up !!!! Only you can cry on the Internet !!! Everything is bad, everything is lost, we are again ... deceived !!! Putin is Putin ... What have you personally done for the good of our country? Create a party alternative to EP ... Carry the masses with you .... Make your way to the State Duma, Pass laws, make a country with a powerful economy, a powerful social sphere ..... And so it’s blah, blah, blah .... .. Isn’t it embarrassing to incognito polemic while sitting at home on the couch?

So I got a minus, gee ... from me +

[16112014nk]

Quote: Vadim237

-2
Now Rostelmash is engaged in the production of the lion's share of tractors and combines

That's only in Canada, if that.
And in Russia, over 18 years, 76 enterprises were liquidated, or rather optimized.

[oracul]

Have caught on! From the late eighties to the zero, everything was left to chance, including the military-industrial complex. A wild conversion, which was carried out by the enterprises themselves, under the encouraging calls of the liberals in the government, the sale, unbundling, or even simply the closure of key export enterprises. For Gaidar, Chubais and other "guardians" of the transition to market relations, the main thought was the destruction of the legacy of the USSR. Popular thought aptly emphasized: to break is not to build. Now what we have is what we have. We are scratching ourselves out, in fact, in splendid isolation: we build, modernize, create, develop under sanctions and the hooting of "partners and friends" from the West. So we got real capitalism with its uneven development and conflicts. Would you like to be smarter than the classics of Marxism-Leninism? Get it !. For that fought for it and ran. And there is nothing to blame on Putin and hang all the dogs. He already does a lot, albeit not without mistakes and not so quickly, and in his team there are different people and not all of his sincere supporters.

[Brigadier]

... foreign components are almost everywhere on Russian military equipment ...
Putintsev and okoloputintsev is a light bulb.
The main thing for them is today's gesheft on imported components.
And if tomorrow there will be a real threat of war, then guess the first time - who will wash out of Russia faster than his own squeal?
That’s why it’s a damn ...

[ppgt90]

How many smart people we have in Russia. I looked only the first page of comments and that's enough. To say that the defense industry is dead is tropical nonsense. I live in the city of Perm, which city does not need to be explained, and I clearly see the "dead defense industry". Puffs and works for fear of enemies. Now about addiction. This is where everyone hates Putin for allegedly burying the industry. Gentlemen! When did you drink conscience? After all, how you met Yeltsin, waved flags, went to the barricades. You, together with Boriskaya, three crafty ones, ruined everything. Thanks to the forces that led to Putin's presidency, the destruction of Russia was stopped. Anyone who is talking all this nonsense does not understand anything about this issue and does not know anything. At many defense enterprises, planned technical re-equipment was carried out, and not individual machines were changed, but technological lines, new technologies were really being introduced. And there are a lot of such factories. No need to find fault with those who do business. Yes, there are still many associates of Boriska in the government and business circles, but many have already been thrown away from the trough, while others will deign to sip gruel. Now, briefly about import substitution. Well, tell me, dear wise men, where and by whom do your children work? In Russia now it is "prestigious" to work as an "office plankton", as a "manager" and some other hero. Higher education is obtained for the sake of crusts. We are not talking about any kind of education at all, especially if we consider paid education. Everyone wants to be "top managers" and walk in white shirts and relax in Tahiti. Now we must take off our hats and bow low to those working people who know how to handle their mind and hands. I do not know what would have happened to us if it were not for these people. So they contain all of Russia and the "smart talkers" who talk about the power. In order for all the components to be domestic, it is necessary to educate and train a domestic performer, a worker with a CAPITAL LETTER, and not unfinished managers. Then we will be happy in the country, but without the whining experts. This way and nothing else. If anyone did not like my words, then these are your problems.

[Lara Croft]

So I look, as soon as our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation began to change for the better, then ANALYTICS (ALL the same persons torn from the feeding trough) immediately began to appear, who everyone knew and patiently were silent without expressing their opinion from about the 90s. ..
Who is currently directly connected (or their relatives) with the RF Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex will spit on the monitor of their PC when they see these persons ...

[Oleko]

Quote: ppgt90

In order for all the components to be domestic, it is necessary to educate and learn the domestic artist working with the BIG LETTER, and not the managers unfinished.

Seriously? And what will this one do with a capital letter? Will you produce components? Without higher education? In order to produce, you need technical documentation, and it is being developed in research institutes, design bureaus, those whom you contemptuously call unfinished managers. It's elementary. ... And in 1985, at the School-Seminar on Local Area Networks in Tbilisi, it was announced that we are lagging behind the United States, and they are the leading country in the development of LSI, VLSI, by 25 years. Now Voronezh, Zelenograd are starting to catch up. And Alksnis is simply deceiving, foreign components are not everywhere, and those that are installed undergo a mandatory check for "bookmarks".

[EvilLion]

In fact, a plant is a very big and very dirty thing, as a rule, they are located outside cities, often behind protective forest belts. Factories in the city are quite problematic objects, so they are often closed. Opening in another place.

The most important thing is that a "retired general" or colonel, who even during his service saw a maximum of several thousand people of his unit and has no right to judge even what is happening in the neighboring brigade, is a person who no longer has any powers. Simply Nobody. His statements are absolutely equal to those of any sofa experts.